India to have more startups due to H1B visa ban
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Eureka Bharali,Wednesday, 18 February 2009, 03:50 Hrs
Bangalore: While the ban on U.S. H1B visa holders is heavily criticized, for India it is a blessing in disguise. The ban will cause more Indian expats to return leading to the emergence of more technology startups in the country.
"The return of such talented individuals who have international experience will be of huge benefit to India. It will definitely imply a greater level of activity in the innovation sector," said Hari Venkatacharya,President of TiE Toronto. He is also the Managing Director of Nytric Business Partners. In the last decade, Indians have founded more engineering and technology companies in the U.S. than immigrants from Britain, China, Taiwan, and Japan combined, as 26 percent of all immigrant-founded firms have Indian founders. As per the findings of a research made by Vivek Wadhwa, Senior Research Associate,Harvard Law School and executive in residence at Duke University, the immigrant workers are getting frustrated with the immigration process and tens of thousands of expats are returning home. Agreeing to Venkatacharya's statement, a returnee from U.S. who now Heads Bell Labs Research of India, Vijay Poosalaa said, "The immigrants are trying to come back to India, which has emerged as a land of opportunities. They gain the required experience in U.S. which will help them to thrive in India."

The immigrants are also great deliverance for the top tech firms in U.S., who are highly dependent on Indians and Chinese for their patents on technology. Thirty-three percent of patents filed by Intel was contributed by the expats while the contribution in Microsoft's patents accumulated to around 23 percent. Even in IBM the percentage of contribution of the expats towards the patents filed was 22 percent. The brainpower of the foreigners has immensely helped U.S. to thrive on the technology front. This experience will be of immense help for the Indian IT to build up the product development side which is comparatively lagging behind the IT services. "The expats from U.S. will definitely want to come back and start something of their own, the focus though will be more on product development than on services companies," said Prashanth L J, Managing Director, Lectra India. However, Kiran Datar, Managing Director, India Cisco, WebEx Technology Group cautions saying, "It should be kept in the mind that in order for these startups to be successful we need to have a supportive ecosystem and a robust domestic market which can be tapped by them."
Encouraging the entrepreneurs to kickstart their startups, Nitin Paranjape, CEO of a startup company named maxoffice.biz said, "It may be a good idea for the immigrants to come back and start their ventures now because it is a good time for recruiting talented people. Lower inflation, lower cost of funds, lower infrastructure rates are all favorable for this phenomenon." He also added that industry bodies, management institutes and government can actually run a proactive campaign to encourage people to come back. Providing a single window or simplified set of processes for business start-ups will enhance this further.
"The return of such talented individuals who have international experience will be of huge benefit to India. It will definitely imply a greater level of activity in the innovation sector," said Hari Venkatacharya,President of TiE Toronto. He is also the Managing Director of Nytric Business Partners. In the last decade, Indians have founded more engineering and technology companies in the U.S. than immigrants from Britain, China, Taiwan, and Japan combined, as 26 percent of all immigrant-founded firms have Indian founders. As per the findings of a research made by Vivek Wadhwa, Senior Research Associate,Harvard Law School and executive in residence at Duke University, the immigrant workers are getting frustrated with the immigration process and tens of thousands of expats are returning home. Agreeing to Venkatacharya's statement, a returnee from U.S. who now Heads Bell Labs Research of India, Vijay Poosalaa said, "The immigrants are trying to come back to India, which has emerged as a land of opportunities. They gain the required experience in U.S. which will help them to thrive in India."
The immigrants are also great deliverance for the top tech firms in U.S., who are highly dependent on Indians and Chinese for their patents on technology. Thirty-three percent of patents filed by Intel was contributed by the expats while the contribution in Microsoft's patents accumulated to around 23 percent. Even in IBM the percentage of contribution of the expats towards the patents filed was 22 percent. The brainpower of the foreigners has immensely helped U.S. to thrive on the technology front. This experience will be of immense help for the Indian IT to build up the product development side which is comparatively lagging behind the IT services. "The expats from U.S. will definitely want to come back and start something of their own, the focus though will be more on product development than on services companies," said Prashanth L J, Managing Director, Lectra India. However, Kiran Datar, Managing Director, India Cisco, WebEx Technology Group cautions saying, "It should be kept in the mind that in order for these startups to be successful we need to have a supportive ecosystem and a robust domestic market which can be tapped by them."
Encouraging the entrepreneurs to kickstart their startups, Nitin Paranjape, CEO of a startup company named maxoffice.biz said, "It may be a good idea for the immigrants to come back and start their ventures now because it is a good time for recruiting talented people. Lower inflation, lower cost of funds, lower infrastructure rates are all favorable for this phenomenon." He also added that industry bodies, management institutes and government can actually run a proactive campaign to encourage people to come back. Providing a single window or simplified set of processes for business start-ups will enhance this further.
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Reader's comments (35)
1: All this startup talks are wishfull thinking.
India is not known for Inovation or Original
ideas for the last 1000 years. The real India
is at least 100 years back as compared to
West where all the inovations are happenning.
There is no use in inovating in India because
have not adopted the things which West
invented in the last 100 years.
Posted by: Raj - 26 Apr, 2009
2:Startup entrepreneurs from India will soon be
able to come and work in Silicon Valley with
only a business visa, no H1B.
Blueseed is a Silicon Valley startup building an offshore platform that will be located just outside US territorial waters and jurisdiction, 12 miles from shore.
Blueseed DOT co
Blueseed is a Silicon Valley startup building an offshore platform that will be located just outside US territorial waters and jurisdiction, 12 miles from shore.
Blueseed DOT co
Praveen Mittal replied to: Raj
post - 30 Sep, 2011
post - 30 Sep, 2011
3:Dude i think you left india some 10 years
back. Your email projects views which people
who left india 10 to 15 years back. India
changed a lot dude. Innovation is in budding
state in india but soon we will be there
raghu replied to: Raj
post - 06 Jun, 2011
post - 06 Jun, 2011
4: I know that allot of the US is very corrupt
and not in any way as kind as India but for
all of those Indians who love the calm life
of India I agree with you. I am not saying
that I don't like the US but we need to
become less entertaimnet orreinted. That is
almost all that the average american thinks
about. So when we think about others first
we might actually make a kind country out of
the US yet. TO all of those people who love
entertiament CHANGE!
Posted by: Ivan Peterson - 09 Mar, 2009
5: When the dot com bubble burst there was a
temporary curb on H1Bs. When the US economy
picked up, the talent came scurrying back in
hordes again. I dont see how things are
different this time around. Most of the mera
bharat mahaan crowd here sound like sore
losers who feel lost out due to the current
situation but these same people will be
waking up at 4am to line up in front of the
Chennai visa office when then things improve.
I wonder why almost all Indian technology
firms are just sweatshops doing back office
work for other MNCs. Why havent any Indian
companies innovated yet to become serious
competition to SAP, Oracle, Microsoft?
Indians can surely build better OSes than
Windows or ERPs than SAP or Oracle. Right?
Why are there no major fabs or Indian
semiconductor companies giving the rest of
the world a run for their money? I am sure
Indians can create a strong rival to the
iPhone or Xbox or PS3. But why hasn't this
happened since 1990?
Don't fool yourself thinking that is possible in India with its business environment a infastructure. If it were, it would have happened already. These startups are merely wet dreams.
Don't fool yourself thinking that is possible in India with its business environment a infastructure. If it were, it would have happened already. These startups are merely wet dreams.
Posted by: Prudent Desi - 21 Feb, 2009
6:You are absolutely right. The reason Indians
arent serious competitors to Iphones and the
Windows is because they lack strategy,
determination, innovation and desire to win.
These four traits separate the winners from
the rest. No use of all the engineering
skills, if you are not using them to create,
innovate, and try to win in a determined
fashion.
Mfin27 replied to: Prudent Desi
post - 15 Jan, 2010
post - 15 Jan, 2010
7: let me add one more point here. Tata or other
such companies are not ready invest in
research and wait for 5-10 years for their
product. I mean to compete with MS, Oracle
etc. you need to invest both time and money.
I mean SW development requires it.
Ali replied to: Mfin27
post - 04 Feb, 2010
post - 04 Feb, 2010
8: @captainjohann samuhanand
You are unnecessarily bringing in arranged marriage into this issue. Just because a guy agrees for an arranged marriage does not mean he is a non-independent thinker and is non-creative.
Many people agree to the arranged marriage concept, because they believe in that custom, and not because they are scared or obliged to their parents or something.
You are unnecessarily bringing in arranged marriage into this issue. Just because a guy agrees for an arranged marriage does not mean he is a non-independent thinker and is non-creative.
Many people agree to the arranged marriage concept, because they believe in that custom, and not because they are scared or obliged to their parents or something.
Posted by: Shankar - 19 Feb, 2009
9: I am an Indian who has a PhD in EE and am
earning 6 digit salary even in these tough
times. I work in a team comprised of talented
Americans, Japanese, Koreans etc and I have
never felt mistreated by anyone, probably
because most of my colleagues are also PhD
and respect talent regardless of nationality.
I think this is the quality that makes US a
economic powerhouse, that being said I am
also aware of some Indian friends who have
had bad experiences due to xenophobic
attitudes of some Americans and are seriously
considering going back to India. I have seen
a lot of my Indian friends go back due to
various reasons such as family commitments,
nostalgia, Indian culture etc etc. That trend
has already started and will gain momentum if
xenophobia reaches intolerable heights. I
have already got my GC through EB1 within a
year but I am seriously considering
relocating back to India so that I can be
near to my parents....Anyways, I hope people
of all nationalities remain civil and treat
everybody with the same respect & dignity
that we expect to be shown to ourselves.
Posted by: Ram Hebbar - 19 Feb, 2009
10: Hi my fellow Indian brothers and sisters
This is a god given gift to us. We Indians do contribute a lot to rich and west and the oil rich gulf with our talents and expertise and possibly get a decent return. However, the return we give to these lucky lots are far too much. God has now given us an opportunity to channel all those to the benefit of our fellow less fortunate countrymen. Put your heads together in which ever way possible and start building a resourceful, high status India which should become the envy of the world. Right now there is an opportunity for IT guys to pool their resources together and grab the Cochin Internet City opportunity for the Dubai guys as they have financial constraints. If we all join together and put together an objective and strategy, may be we could persuade our government to 'sell' this opportunity to us. This might even help us to put a formiddable challenge to the existence and progress of Dubai Internet City. Food for thought. Want to discuss..
Those interested and can invest money and expertise into such a project, you are welcome to contact me and I can take up the leadership of negotiating a deal, then the right talents can take it up, set it up in motion and run to progress.
This is a god given gift to us. We Indians do contribute a lot to rich and west and the oil rich gulf with our talents and expertise and possibly get a decent return. However, the return we give to these lucky lots are far too much. God has now given us an opportunity to channel all those to the benefit of our fellow less fortunate countrymen. Put your heads together in which ever way possible and start building a resourceful, high status India which should become the envy of the world. Right now there is an opportunity for IT guys to pool their resources together and grab the Cochin Internet City opportunity for the Dubai guys as they have financial constraints. If we all join together and put together an objective and strategy, may be we could persuade our government to 'sell' this opportunity to us. This might even help us to put a formiddable challenge to the existence and progress of Dubai Internet City. Food for thought. Want to discuss..
Those interested and can invest money and expertise into such a project, you are welcome to contact me and I can take up the leadership of negotiating a deal, then the right talents can take it up, set it up in motion and run to progress.
Posted by: Padmanabhan Nair - 19 Feb, 2009
11:So padmanabhan you crook. You are waiting
there to loot whatever money we have save all
these years! Fraud We don't need you
george vergheese replied to: Padmanabhan Nair
post - 27 May, 2009
post - 27 May, 2009
12:Indian has enough job? when will happen when
outsourcing will have hard conditions. Indian
are in great troubles due to being in bench
fabricating resumes .......... after that
either stay illegal in US or return home
empty hand .....
mantosh replied to: Padmanabhan Nair
post - 26 Feb, 2009
post - 26 Feb, 2009
13: I left highly paid job in US and came to
India to serve my motherland. When I did this
there were so many Indian fellows who wanted
to do the same thing but are still thinking.
I wonder when they migrated to US did they
thought so much ?
Anyways India life is much superior to machine oriented boring US life. Though money is less here but life is so colorful.We are lucky to born in India.
My message to all other expatriates. Don't think Just come back.
Regards
Anyways India life is much superior to machine oriented boring US life. Though money is less here but life is so colorful.We are lucky to born in India.
My message to all other expatriates. Don't think Just come back.
Regards
Posted by: Saurabh - 18 Feb, 2009
14:I think your English is very bad and thats
why you couldn't survive in the US.
crazzybouy replied to: Saurabh
post - 21 Jan, 2010
post - 21 Jan, 2010
15: Hi Guys
Every problem is an opportunity in disguise, this what i believe. I came to US to have better career, clean money(as i belong to upper caste in India and not willing to be a part of corruption) etc.,
I have learnt quite bit from US (in every aspect, whether its behavior, respecting others, work experience etc.,).
Now that, US government is against H1b's, I really think its a bless in disguise.
I have sacrificed my family life trying to make money. Not any more, I would like to take this opportunity to come home and use my skills to serve India.
Last but not least: for Many people like me who are First generation American?Indians, its difficult to come to terms with American culture. After thinking about the same all these years, I came to the conclusion that, I am better of being in India.
Every problem is an opportunity in disguise, this what i believe. I came to US to have better career, clean money(as i belong to upper caste in India and not willing to be a part of corruption) etc.,
I have learnt quite bit from US (in every aspect, whether its behavior, respecting others, work experience etc.,).
Now that, US government is against H1b's, I really think its a bless in disguise.
I have sacrificed my family life trying to make money. Not any more, I would like to take this opportunity to come home and use my skills to serve India.
Last but not least: for Many people like me who are First generation American?Indians, its difficult to come to terms with American culture. After thinking about the same all these years, I came to the conclusion that, I am better of being in India.
Posted by: Trying to be honest - 18 Feb, 2009
16:Why do you have to sacrifice your family
life? Are you one of them who have babies
and send them to India? You cannot fit to
US. Thats why you are going back. Dont act
like a Patriot. Because you are not. Go back
and eat idli dosa..
crazzybouy replied to: Trying to be honest
post - 21 Jan, 2010
post - 21 Jan, 2010
17: If we truly believe that we are the nation of
enormous talent, enormous growth potential,
we must capitalize. We got to make our own
terms here. Enough of this 'American Dream!'
crap. More so technically skilled people must
live a dignified life wherever.
Why is H1-B considered enemy no-1 suddenly in US? Why there should separate reform for H1-B in India either? And mind you, H1-B guys pay tax too, perhaps much more than rest. And that too without most benefits that GC/US citizens get.
The need of the hour is, Indian Govt Agency must have some say in US H1-B policies as well. Right now it's all unilateral. And to create more mess, Indian body shoppers are finding themselves in much disgusting h1-b scams.
Why is H1-B considered enemy no-1 suddenly in US? Why there should separate reform for H1-B in India either? And mind you, H1-B guys pay tax too, perhaps much more than rest. And that too without most benefits that GC/US citizens get.
The need of the hour is, Indian Govt Agency must have some say in US H1-B policies as well. Right now it's all unilateral. And to create more mess, Indian body shoppers are finding themselves in much disgusting h1-b scams.
Posted by: Sangamesh - 18 Feb, 2009
18: This is a capitalistic economy. The surival
in private sector depends on the talent they
have. Those who are kicked out or those who
are fake in their experience or very little
expertise.
Posted by: Murty mulukutla - 18 Feb, 2009
19: America: now is the time to educate
yourselves, so you will never ever has to
receive threats as the one listed above,
which will cause you to break down, mentally
and physically.
People from other countries believe they now rule America. We don't need H1bs anymore. We are a country that will learn to stand on its own feet.
People from other countries believe they now rule America. We don't need H1bs anymore. We are a country that will learn to stand on its own feet.
Posted by: David Wu - 18 Feb, 2009
20: The brain drain will become a brain gain. The
Indian economy is growing so the strain will
not be unsupportable. France
Posted by: Fernandes - 18 Feb, 2009
21: I don't think that it is going to have any
huge effect. Most of the people who have good
experience already have green cards and they
will not be kicked out. The ban because of
TARP is also useless as those companies will
then hire h1b's through body shoppers. The
H1b rejections will mainly happen for those
people who are less likely to be part of any
great innovation.
Posted by: Amit - 18 Feb, 2009
22: Ban? What ban? The measure included in the US
stimulus bill affects about 400 workers and
it's not even a ban - it just imposes some
additional restrictions on the handful of
banks that directly employ H-1B workers who
received bailout funds. And they can simply
hire the workers on a contract basis and
still be in compliance. This story is just
fiction. The US can't ban H-1B workers -
can't even reduce the quota - because of our
obligation under the GATS.
Posted by: Greg Siskind, Attorney at Law - 18 Feb, 2009
23: I think U.S People forget the MNC's what they
have been working in U.S. are also very much
active in India and if they think that
forgeiners will be not hired in U.S. MMC's
then they might lose the market of other
nations which will result on the Loss of the
Organization.
Because People Returing from Aboard are starting up the technology Start-ups to lower the demand of U.S Mnc's
Because People Returing from Aboard are starting up the technology Start-ups to lower the demand of U.S Mnc's
Posted by: Jeeten C - 18 Feb, 2009
24: Why Now? Our Indian educated must come out
the real reasons for not starting up new
enterprises in India.Even in US they
contributed through Microsoft,IBM,Sun,Oracle
etc.Have they started an INFOLSYS there?
These guys will marry their mama's selection and how they will innovate in business which requires much more guts.
These guys will marry their mama's selection and how they will innovate in business which requires much more guts.
Posted by: captainjohann samuhanand - 18 Feb, 2009
25: BIG B is right. these people will be kicked
from US and now,what? Why you r back man?
Tell them not to come back.u were slave and u
will always b
Posted by: God - 18 Feb, 2009
26: y don't you people think that it will
increase competition here, do u think we will
get a job easily or companies gonna search
and prefer those US return candidates... they
gonna eat our opportunities... shame
Posted by: Amitabh Bachhan - 18 Feb, 2009
27: @Jogi Baba: Absolutely right. For companies
receiving TARP (Troubled Assets Relief
Program) only need to stop reissuing/new H1s
for upcoming one year. That means no
applications in April 2009.
I think its a fair decision. Remember that its a public treasure that has been used for such bailouts. Why will such an amount be allowed to be given for outsiders. Also not to forget, that existing H1Bs (H1 last 6 years)will continue to stay.
@minal: Its inappropriate to pat our backs about fellow immigrants. I have been as a student to US for two years and I have seen many non-Indians technocrats (majorly Greeks, Japanese, Russian and Chinese) and unskilled workers (Mexican, Chinese) working more efficiently than contemporary Indians. They might be small in number as compared to our inrush, but their efficiency is definitely high. Most of Indians are engrossed in making fast money. Few Indians are in dedicated research which has led to success of America (not to forget patents and inventions).
We should work the way China is working and stop expecting luxurious from America. We have lot of work at our home, guys!
I think its a fair decision. Remember that its a public treasure that has been used for such bailouts. Why will such an amount be allowed to be given for outsiders. Also not to forget, that existing H1Bs (H1 last 6 years)will continue to stay.
@minal: Its inappropriate to pat our backs about fellow immigrants. I have been as a student to US for two years and I have seen many non-Indians technocrats (majorly Greeks, Japanese, Russian and Chinese) and unskilled workers (Mexican, Chinese) working more efficiently than contemporary Indians. They might be small in number as compared to our inrush, but their efficiency is definitely high. Most of Indians are engrossed in making fast money. Few Indians are in dedicated research which has led to success of America (not to forget patents and inventions).
We should work the way China is working and stop expecting luxurious from America. We have lot of work at our home, guys!
Posted by: Yogendra - 18 Feb, 2009
28: This is good news for us....
The Brain Drain which started in the late 20th century in India is now all these situation has led to Brain Gain ...
this will enhance the Country growth and also will be a lesson for those Indians to know their responsibility....
The Brain Drain which started in the late 20th century in India is now all these situation has led to Brain Gain ...
this will enhance the Country growth and also will be a lesson for those Indians to know their responsibility....
Posted by: Satish Kumar - 18 Feb, 2009
29: It surely is a big loss to US.
What are all bailed out companies in US now? Can someone tell me?
What are all bailed out companies in US now? Can someone tell me?
Posted by: Naveen - 17 Feb, 2009
30: Yes it is a blessing in disguise. This is a
very good news indeed for India. At this
point of time getting work force is also a
benefit for the start ups.
Posted by: Babu Bylappa - 17 Feb, 2009
31: This is a definitly a healthy sign for India.
It may be a short term loss for Indians in
US, but definitly will prove to be a long
term benifit both for individuals and India.
Posted by: GKM - 17 Feb, 2009
32: it seems america is going to be a third world
country after 50 years.
Posted by: Sandeep - 17 Feb, 2009
33: But the ban applies to only bailed-out firms.
Posted by: Jogi Baba - 17 Feb, 2009
34: and they blame the indians for losing their
job.. have it not been the Indians.. this
country would have still the way it was
remained 150 years back.. let them ban.. its
completely their loss.. will they get anyone
for such low cost.. i doubt.. will they get
such tech skills in their own people.. i
again doubt.. so just go ahead and bring in
the law n wait n watch how the country
staggers to develop.
Posted by: minal - 17 Feb, 2009
35:The american dream is exaggerated. It is
crap. If you are in the suburbs of america,
you will meet lot of ignorant and paranoid
idiots who are very hostile and they won't
let you succeed in life.They are uneducated
people who suck really bad in life. Americans
are also have narcissism which is promoted by
the media and society.Most of them qualify
for mental disorders and are on
medication.
If you in cities like Seattle, Austin or SF bay ,you might do good. What is America? America is not the high rise cities you seen on "TV". America is made of ignorant and paranoid idiots in the suburbs. All of them are brainwashed by 'TV'. Stupid Americans believe what they see on 'TV'.
'Quality of life' in America is poor when compared to your life in Europe or Asia. What is the fun of being in "debt" your whole life? It doesn't matter where we live. Our quality of life should be high.You can have a high quality of life in India.
If you in cities like Seattle, Austin or SF bay ,you might do good. What is America? America is not the high rise cities you seen on "TV". America is made of ignorant and paranoid idiots in the suburbs. All of them are brainwashed by 'TV'. Stupid Americans believe what they see on 'TV'.
'Quality of life' in America is poor when compared to your life in Europe or Asia. What is the fun of being in "debt" your whole life? It doesn't matter where we live. Our quality of life should be high.You can have a high quality of life in India.
Abm replied to: minal
post - 29 Mar, 2009
post - 29 Mar, 2009
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