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IT industry still living quarter-to-quarter: Vineet Nayar
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SiliconIndia,Thursday, 29 October 2009, 02:34 Hrs
Bangalore: HCL Technologies CEO, Vineet Nayar, feels that the talk of recovery in the IT space is a bit premature and says that the industry still continues to 'live' quarter-to-quarter. "Total IT spending is down, but opportunities keep emerging because of vendor consolidation and the churn," said Nayar.
On the overall demand environment and decision making among the clients, Nayar feels that IT spending has not fully recovered, but continues to grow. "But some companies are not responding to recessionary trends as customers would like them to do. That is throwing up new opportunities," he said.
Though, there is some recovery in market HCL wants to be cautious in its approach, reports Business Line. "I think the industry is running ahead of itself in making positive noises. We are still living quarter-to-quarter and that is the honest truth," said Nayar. "We are still completely missing the point of what Oracle will do with Sun acquisition, or Xerox with ACS, so we are cautious," he added.
According to Nayar, overall, the IT budgets for BFSI space especially in North America continue to be challenged. "I do not see budgets increasing, but I see a significant churn. Also, there is one more factor that's making a big impact, the new emphasis on hardware companies looking at the services space - and we have seen a string of mergers and acquisitions on that," he said. Nayar feels that the customers are not happy with these changes for various and they are moving out of the so-called vertical integration into the market space.
According to Nayar, the pricing pressure has receded, but HCL has established a new norm that its clients want value for every dollar they spend. The pricing established in October-March time frame is the pricing today, and there is no further negativity on that - so in that sense the environment is stable. "But I am not seeing any signs of price improvements," he said. He expects IT budgets to be flat to negative in 2010.
On the overall demand environment and decision making among the clients, Nayar feels that IT spending has not fully recovered, but continues to grow. "But some companies are not responding to recessionary trends as customers would like them to do. That is throwing up new opportunities," he said.
Though, there is some recovery in market HCL wants to be cautious in its approach, reports Business Line. "I think the industry is running ahead of itself in making positive noises. We are still living quarter-to-quarter and that is the honest truth," said Nayar. "We are still completely missing the point of what Oracle will do with Sun acquisition, or Xerox with ACS, so we are cautious," he added.
According to Nayar, overall, the IT budgets for BFSI space especially in North America continue to be challenged. "I do not see budgets increasing, but I see a significant churn. Also, there is one more factor that's making a big impact, the new emphasis on hardware companies looking at the services space - and we have seen a string of mergers and acquisitions on that," he said. Nayar feels that the customers are not happy with these changes for various and they are moving out of the so-called vertical integration into the market space.
According to Nayar, the pricing pressure has receded, but HCL has established a new norm that its clients want value for every dollar they spend. The pricing established in October-March time frame is the pricing today, and there is no further negativity on that - so in that sense the environment is stable. "But I am not seeing any signs of price improvements," he said. He expects IT budgets to be flat to negative in 2010.
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guenstige uebernachtung in koeln buchen replied to: Completepoor
post - 26 Dec, 2010
post - 26 Dec, 2010
4: This Article starting from the headlines
seems to have gone terribly wrong "Vineet
Nayar" is no more CEO of HCL and the person
being shown in the picture is some one other
than HIM. Don't know how this post has come
up !o!o!o!
Posted by: akh - 30 Oct, 2009
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guenstige uebernachtung in koeln buchen replied to: Completepoor
post - 26 Dec, 2010
post - 26 Dec, 2010
8: After recessionary trends the outsourcing has
bottomed. So what has bottomed has to come
up or languish in finding new bottom. The
global financial weather condition still
making it difficult to increase budget unless
US prints more dollars
Posted by: siv m - 30 Oct, 2009
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guenstige uebernachtung in koeln buchen replied to: Completepoor
post - 26 Dec, 2010
post - 26 Dec, 2010
12: Every quarter to quarter HCL is putting their
employees on bench if their is no work for
them and again taking them onboard for
project completion is good pratice to engage
their employees on job requirement basis,
THIS KEEP THEM FLAT PERFORMERS.
Posted by: gillu - 30 Oct, 2009
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guenstige uebernachtung in koeln buchen replied to: Completepoor
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post - 26 Dec, 2010
16: Though there are signs of recovery, companies
are still under the shadow of recession for
sure.
Posted by: Hari - 29 Oct, 2009
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guenstige uebernachtung in koeln buchen replied to: Completepoor
post - 26 Dec, 2010
post - 26 Dec, 2010
20:I dont agree, Vineet has just seen benefits
of the organization at the cost of Employee
money, Hcl never gave high hike to employess
& recession is a good moment to grab even
more money.
Note: Vinnet is a CEO of Hcl Comnet not of technologies and my statement is only for comnet.
Note: Vinnet is a CEO of Hcl Comnet not of technologies and my statement is only for comnet.
pankaj replied to: Hari
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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Completepoor replied to: pankaj
post - 09 Dec, 2009
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guenstige uebernachtung in koeln buchen replied to: Completepoor
post - 26 Dec, 2010
post - 26 Dec, 2010
24:That is right Hari ... and I agree with What
vineet says we are still living with tracking
qtr to qtr changes and accrodingly adjusting
our aspires ... thought recession has
receeded after math of which has been
cautiousness and slow approach towards market
. I think there is lot more to go before we
say Market is completely up and there is no
fear od downturns ...
Jitheesh Nair replied to: Hari
post - 29 Oct, 2009
post - 29 Oct, 2009
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guenstige uebernachtung in koeln buchen replied to: Jitheesh
post - 26 Dec, 2010
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guenstige uebernachtung in koeln buchen replied to: Completepoor
post - 26 Dec, 2010
post - 26 Dec, 2010
28: You are wrong. Vineet is the CEO of HCL Tech
since Oct 2007.
jainav replied to: pankaj
post - 30 Oct, 2009
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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guenstige uebernachtung in koeln buchen replied to: jainav
post - 26 Dec, 2010
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guenstige uebernachtung in koeln buchen replied to: Completepoor
post - 26 Dec, 2010
post - 26 Dec, 2010
32: During these bad times in IT what in your
opinion could be the possible oppurtunities
for the next 2 years to come (considering the
obstacles being faced)specially in countries
- India, Nepal, B/Desh and Bhutan.
Tapas Datta replied to: Jitheesh Nair
post - 29 Oct, 2009
post - 29 Oct, 2009
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guenstige uebernachtung in koeln buchen replied to: Tapas
post - 26 Dec, 2010
post - 26 Dec, 2010
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Completepoor replied to: Tapas
post - 09 Dec, 2009
post - 09 Dec, 2009
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guenstige uebernachtung in koeln buchen replied to: Completepoor
post - 26 Dec, 2010
post - 26 Dec, 2010
36: Tapas ... Opportunities needs to be explored
. Market cannot and should not be the same
.The asiapacific has done well to deal with
the downturn especially India ...when there
were mass workforce reduction happening all
over the world , Indian govt came to help the
industry and suggested not to cut any head
... we need to come out with better customer
service , innovation so that the customer
regains confidence in the brand and markets
...we need to have visions of market as to
how it looks after 2 years and the steps to
be taken has to be in line with that .. but
today we look only at qtr end ... sometimes
breakdown goals reduces the far vision what
we have to acheive and thats where when we
get to end of the term we are in compromising
situations and companies are forced to reduce
cost why do we wait till end moment ... so
thats why we need to explore opps in case of
IT - a great product mix , a great service
offering , end to end solution for end
customer .. HP is great example for that ...
Jitheesh Nair replied to: Tapas Datta
post - 30 Oct, 2009
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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guenstige uebernachtung in koeln buchen replied to: Jitheesh
post - 26 Dec, 2010
post - 26 Dec, 2010
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authority closely spend file deep perhaps
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child farmer apart parliament arm left
outcome twice difficulty process bus
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get convention effect international play
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time whose claim unlikely climb hell
advantage meanwhile strategy appear answer as
deliver fix
Completepoor replied to: Jitheesh
post - 09 Dec, 2009
post - 09 Dec, 2009
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guenstige uebernachtung in koeln buchen replied to: Completepoor
post - 26 Dec, 2010
post - 26 Dec, 2010
40: Jitheesh,
Though i agree with that you said about the Product Mix and service offering and end to end blah blah ... it applies to a whole lot of companies today - esp Oracle, as mentioned in the article.
But my bone of contention is HP - the organisation as it is "raped" EDS. employees were disgruntled and disgruntled employees are the first sign of a rapid quality erosion in the stages to come. This negativity has also spread to other parts of HP (the software / service side) where paycuts and layoffs were all too frequent.
Though i agree with that you said about the Product Mix and service offering and end to end blah blah ... it applies to a whole lot of companies today - esp Oracle, as mentioned in the article.
But my bone of contention is HP - the organisation as it is "raped" EDS. employees were disgruntled and disgruntled employees are the first sign of a rapid quality erosion in the stages to come. This negativity has also spread to other parts of HP (the software / service side) where paycuts and layoffs were all too frequent.
Rishi replied to: Jitheesh Nair
post - 02 Nov, 2009
post - 02 Nov, 2009
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guenstige uebernachtung in koeln buchen replied to: Rishi
post - 26 Dec, 2010
post - 26 Dec, 2010
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outcome twice difficulty process bus
experiment break prisoner manage item advise
get convention effect international play
kitchen experiment congress smile protection
time whose claim unlikely climb hell
advantage meanwhile strategy appear answer as
deliver fix
Completepoor replied to: Rishi
post - 09 Dec, 2009
post - 09 Dec, 2009
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guenstige uebernachtung in koeln buchen replied to: Completepoor
post - 26 Dec, 2010
post - 26 Dec, 2010
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