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Wipro, HCL engineers commit suicide
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Bangalore: In the last one week two young IT engineers, one was working with Wipro and another with HCL, committed suicide. Both the engineers died by jumping from their office building.
Wipro engineer, Vishal Yadav (29), had a BE in electronics and hailed from Madhya Pradesh. Since May 17, 2004, he was working with Wipro as a Business Analyst and had gone on leave for two months. Interestingly, he had put in his papers via e-mail and was supposed to be relieved of his duties on August 31.
At around 10:20 pm on Wednesday, Vishal jumped from the top floor of S-II building of Wipro that has 12 storeys. When security supervisors heard a loud thud, they rushed to the spot and found Vishal down with blood around his body. They took him to the hospital, but it was in vain as doctor declared him brought dead. Doctor said, "With multiple head, spinal and thigh fractures, he might have collapsed within minutes after the fall."
HCL (Hindustan Computers Limited) engineer, Vikas Kumar Sharma (26), hailed from Munger district in Bihar. Since January 01, 2009, he was working with HCL as a Senior Network Analyst. He was living with a cousin in Delhi's Katwaria Sarai area. Though he was on a official off on Wednesday (August 19), he decided to report for the duty. The company cab had brought Vikas to the office around 4.30 am. Around 5.50 am Vikas jumped from the 5th floor of the office building. He was rushed to a hospital where doctors declared him brought dead.
In both the cases, Police have been trying to find the reason of the death as they could not find any suicide note or any threat related information till now. In the case of Vishal, police framed eight questions and sent them to the human resources department of Wipro, but even after 24 hours, they were unable to get any personal details of the dead man. However, an HR executive of Wipro said, "We have been directed not to reveal any information or photograph of the employee. It is just that he had quit the job and was serving the notice period."
A police officer said, "We are not ruling out murder. There are lots of unanswered questions and it is for Wipro to clear the doubts."
In the case of Vikas, Noida's Superintendent of Police (City) Ashok Tripathi said, "The company's officials did not inform the police about the incident. Authorities at Max Hospital, where the victim was taken to, informed us."
In 2009, two suicide news of big IT companies' employees came in limelight. There are many engineers who are being harassed and forced to resign from the company. Last week, one of the former Wipro employees had informed media of the way he was sacked from the company. You can check this link to read that story - http://siliconindia.com/shownews/Sacked_Wipro_employee_alleges_harassment-nid-60537.html/1/2"
Wipro engineer, Vishal Yadav (29), had a BE in electronics and hailed from Madhya Pradesh. Since May 17, 2004, he was working with Wipro as a Business Analyst and had gone on leave for two months. Interestingly, he had put in his papers via e-mail and was supposed to be relieved of his duties on August 31.
At around 10:20 pm on Wednesday, Vishal jumped from the top floor of S-II building of Wipro that has 12 storeys. When security supervisors heard a loud thud, they rushed to the spot and found Vishal down with blood around his body. They took him to the hospital, but it was in vain as doctor declared him brought dead. Doctor said, "With multiple head, spinal and thigh fractures, he might have collapsed within minutes after the fall."
HCL (Hindustan Computers Limited) engineer, Vikas Kumar Sharma (26), hailed from Munger district in Bihar. Since January 01, 2009, he was working with HCL as a Senior Network Analyst. He was living with a cousin in Delhi's Katwaria Sarai area. Though he was on a official off on Wednesday (August 19), he decided to report for the duty. The company cab had brought Vikas to the office around 4.30 am. Around 5.50 am Vikas jumped from the 5th floor of the office building. He was rushed to a hospital where doctors declared him brought dead.
In both the cases, Police have been trying to find the reason of the death as they could not find any suicide note or any threat related information till now. In the case of Vishal, police framed eight questions and sent them to the human resources department of Wipro, but even after 24 hours, they were unable to get any personal details of the dead man. However, an HR executive of Wipro said, "We have been directed not to reveal any information or photograph of the employee. It is just that he had quit the job and was serving the notice period."
A police officer said, "We are not ruling out murder. There are lots of unanswered questions and it is for Wipro to clear the doubts."
In the case of Vikas, Noida's Superintendent of Police (City) Ashok Tripathi said, "The company's officials did not inform the police about the incident. Authorities at Max Hospital, where the victim was taken to, informed us."
In 2009, two suicide news of big IT companies' employees came in limelight. There are many engineers who are being harassed and forced to resign from the company. Last week, one of the former Wipro employees had informed media of the way he was sacked from the company. You can check this link to read that story - http://siliconindia.com/shownews/Sacked_Wipro_employee_alleges_harassment-nid-60537.html/1/2"
Reader's comments(188)
1: it's shameful,managers rank their employees
partiality.An employee(best employee)who
streamlines the process gets lowest and
others the higher ratings.How the best
employee would react to it?What the hell
higher management is doing?
Posted by: Anonymous - 19 Sep, 2009
2: it is shameful for all the employee worked in
hcl being teased/harassed from company they
are not copereting into the matter. according
his family there were no any pressure of
financially. today they are living in big
shock. qustion arise what was the guilty of
bikash kumar sharma?
Posted by: nilesh - 11 Sep, 2009
3: I would like to inform you that this is not
the first suicidal case in Wipro. In 2007
also a software engineer committed suicide.
He jumped from S1 tower, 10th floor. At that
time the case was suppressed in a very clever
manner.
I also really don't understand, why doesn't Wipro want to reveal information about the person. Isn't their responsibility to provide the information about the guy.
I also really don't understand, why doesn't Wipro want to reveal information about the person. Isn't their responsibility to provide the information about the guy.
Posted by: wiprosucks - 10 Sep, 2009
4:SO do you recommend that all IT companies
where there is any misfortune like this
happening should go around the town with all
gory details? Are they like Army deaths in
Srinagar so that if we know we will all feel
proud of thier bravery and Govt of India will
award the medals? My dear friend death of a
young employee is not good for the morale of
the employees of any company. It may prompt
others who may have suicidal tendencies. SO
companies may not hide it but definitely
prefer to not to make a song and dance about
it. It is an unpleasant reality and that is
how it is dealt with
Arthur James replied to: wiprosucks
post - 10 Sep, 2009
post - 10 Sep, 2009
5: All such companies must reveal all the
details be it all gory details. And don't
compare Wipro with army. In army people kill
because otherwise they will get killed. They
kill because they sometimes become so fearful
and stressful that they simply have to kill.
And still the guilty person faces court
martial. What risk of life Wipro management
is seeing, whom of Premzi and HR head has
faced criminal punishment. If an employee is
having suicidal tenedency Wipro will not
hesitate to highlight it. Wipro has become a
stinking gutter which always remains full and
covered because of people like you and due to
huge population of the country.
sachin replied to: Arthur James
post - 28 Sep, 2009
post - 28 Sep, 2009
6: acquire amitysingapore.com, plz write to
contact@amitysingapore.com
Posted by: timsy - 03 Sep, 2009
7: Dear Friends,
In below discussion we can find definition of NASSCOM in author's own words. Here I am giving definition of NASSCOM what I found from WikiPages.
NASSCOM is an association of software and services companies to facilitate business and trade in software and services and to encourage advancement of research in software technology. It is a not-for-profit organization, registered under the Indian Societies Act, 1860.
And if we read about NASSCOM, it would be clear to us that this ASSOCIATION is made only to help its premium members to make more profit by creating suitable government policies and an conductive environment. It mediates if its' two big members' interest conflict with each other.
What we should see here, that
0. NASSCOM is a legal body registered or known to Government.
1. even biggies need their own UNION to get best out of powerful governments. That is why today these companies are ruling countries, not the government. These companies are allowing politicians to go corrupt only in those areas where these companies' interest is not being impacted. And of course these company don't mind common man's misery in day to day struggle.
2. These companies are paying high salary only based on common understanding. This will never go beyond a limit which is uncomfortable for other companies. NASSCOM is there to short all this out.
3. In future if required they will be sharing employee's database as well, among themselves. And a common list to identify person who is in habit of switching companies.
4. They pressurize government for SEZ and levying of export duties, policies on intellectual rights etc to safe guard their interest. See how in WIPRO people are already working 45 hrs a week and how premzi declaring that SW people are earning very high salary, at the same time getting lands at cheaper rates for offices and paying no export or import duty to government on SW deliveries.
5. And best example how HR and managers are able to threat employees that they will be blacklisted for employment itself, though still NASSCOM has to sort that out with all its members. Till then no blacklisting. But question is how far is that day when this blacklisting will be accepted by all member companies?
And then comes the question, if government is not able to control these companies, how ready we will be to fight our case?
That is why I am repeating the importance of UNION. We have to be together to achieve the benefits of democracy and of being one, powerful enough to put pressure on government to legalize our collective actions.
I must agree, IT people are being paid handsomely and they should save today for tomorrow. However, there is no doubt that young kids(so called rookies) will be paid less for more work meaning they will be exploited.
And many will be thrown out at the time when they will be needing job security most. And if this happens for just keeping the profit margin high, then GOD only can help us and our beloved country.
Probable Cyber crime, may be even hardcore crime, naxalism cannot be denied. And during that time also companies will be making money in fact more money than now.
Only workers, employees and common man will suffer.
We always need a guard to maintain the balance. And presently this is what lacking in IT industry. I am not giving another sector example as I am willing to concentrate on IT, which I know most.
In this forum you are free to say bad/dirty words about companies management or HRs, but remember they are not the one who are being disturbed by these discussion.
I am sure there will be no impact to them. In fact good managers or HRs will be hurt for being part of profession where some of their colleagues are bad. And we need good managers and HR. But what to do with those managers or HRs who are always carrying an air of pride and hollow ego. For such guys we need an UNION to safeguard our interest.
I went through UNION URLs posted here. Some looks credible but not credible enough. None of them have filed a petition to legalize employee union in SW industry. Ram is slowly loosing to corrupt system and no UNION can even talk on same.
I am not expecting UNION to go for full fledged war against Wipro or HCL. But some initiative like filing a petition for our basic rights.
May be with some trimmed rights but right to associate with an UNION local to each SW company.
We need to start and later we go further like these UNIONS can have a representatives in one big countrywide UNION, extending further to a global UNION.
I will go with one such UNION who knows how to start, without having any second thought.
In below discussion we can find definition of NASSCOM in author's own words. Here I am giving definition of NASSCOM what I found from WikiPages.
NASSCOM is an association of software and services companies to facilitate business and trade in software and services and to encourage advancement of research in software technology. It is a not-for-profit organization, registered under the Indian Societies Act, 1860.
And if we read about NASSCOM, it would be clear to us that this ASSOCIATION is made only to help its premium members to make more profit by creating suitable government policies and an conductive environment. It mediates if its' two big members' interest conflict with each other.
What we should see here, that
0. NASSCOM is a legal body registered or known to Government.
1. even biggies need their own UNION to get best out of powerful governments. That is why today these companies are ruling countries, not the government. These companies are allowing politicians to go corrupt only in those areas where these companies' interest is not being impacted. And of course these company don't mind common man's misery in day to day struggle.
2. These companies are paying high salary only based on common understanding. This will never go beyond a limit which is uncomfortable for other companies. NASSCOM is there to short all this out.
3. In future if required they will be sharing employee's database as well, among themselves. And a common list to identify person who is in habit of switching companies.
4. They pressurize government for SEZ and levying of export duties, policies on intellectual rights etc to safe guard their interest. See how in WIPRO people are already working 45 hrs a week and how premzi declaring that SW people are earning very high salary, at the same time getting lands at cheaper rates for offices and paying no export or import duty to government on SW deliveries.
5. And best example how HR and managers are able to threat employees that they will be blacklisted for employment itself, though still NASSCOM has to sort that out with all its members. Till then no blacklisting. But question is how far is that day when this blacklisting will be accepted by all member companies?
And then comes the question, if government is not able to control these companies, how ready we will be to fight our case?
That is why I am repeating the importance of UNION. We have to be together to achieve the benefits of democracy and of being one, powerful enough to put pressure on government to legalize our collective actions.
I must agree, IT people are being paid handsomely and they should save today for tomorrow. However, there is no doubt that young kids(so called rookies) will be paid less for more work meaning they will be exploited.
And many will be thrown out at the time when they will be needing job security most. And if this happens for just keeping the profit margin high, then GOD only can help us and our beloved country.
Probable Cyber crime, may be even hardcore crime, naxalism cannot be denied. And during that time also companies will be making money in fact more money than now.
Only workers, employees and common man will suffer.
We always need a guard to maintain the balance. And presently this is what lacking in IT industry. I am not giving another sector example as I am willing to concentrate on IT, which I know most.
In this forum you are free to say bad/dirty words about companies management or HRs, but remember they are not the one who are being disturbed by these discussion.
I am sure there will be no impact to them. In fact good managers or HRs will be hurt for being part of profession where some of their colleagues are bad. And we need good managers and HR. But what to do with those managers or HRs who are always carrying an air of pride and hollow ego. For such guys we need an UNION to safeguard our interest.
I went through UNION URLs posted here. Some looks credible but not credible enough. None of them have filed a petition to legalize employee union in SW industry. Ram is slowly loosing to corrupt system and no UNION can even talk on same.
I am not expecting UNION to go for full fledged war against Wipro or HCL. But some initiative like filing a petition for our basic rights.
May be with some trimmed rights but right to associate with an UNION local to each SW company.
We need to start and later we go further like these UNIONS can have a representatives in one big countrywide UNION, extending further to a global UNION.
I will go with one such UNION who knows how to start, without having any second thought.
Posted by: WouldLike2BAnonymous - 02 Sep, 2009
8: you mallus , you do not understand anything
else except malayalam in this world--get lost
from such blogs
Posted by: anonym x - 01 Sep, 2009
9:Yes this is yet another problem CURSE among
us IT guys. we pride ourselves as so educated
and elite.
People grouped based on languages or hailing from the same state / region.
we are called mallus / tamilians / kannadigas (I even saw whats supposed to be a kannadiga flag in one of the cubicles) shame on us.
IT UNION would never be successful. The only practical thing is to be aware of common things and act sensitively.
!. before joining WIPRO, Negotiate on your salary, never go for a less pay on the pretext that you would get hikes, hike is only 5 to 8% average.
2. Dont go in for the CTC stuff. You may be getting 4l CTC but in hand you would get say 20 ~ 22 K (QPLC , PF contribution from employee as well as employer from your pay etc)
3. Get to know your band. If you are more than 5 years experienced, ask for a B2 band at least.
4. Last but not the least. KEEP PROOF of all meetings discussions that you have with your supervisors as this would help you a lot.(watch out for those processes policies etc ) Even an oral communication should be recorded as saying "as discussed ., "
Lets make ourselves aware instead of playing politics and calling each other names.
People grouped based on languages or hailing from the same state / region.
we are called mallus / tamilians / kannadigas (I even saw whats supposed to be a kannadiga flag in one of the cubicles) shame on us.
IT UNION would never be successful. The only practical thing is to be aware of common things and act sensitively.
!. before joining WIPRO, Negotiate on your salary, never go for a less pay on the pretext that you would get hikes, hike is only 5 to 8% average.
2. Dont go in for the CTC stuff. You may be getting 4l CTC but in hand you would get say 20 ~ 22 K (QPLC , PF contribution from employee as well as employer from your pay etc)
3. Get to know your band. If you are more than 5 years experienced, ask for a B2 band at least.
4. Last but not the least. KEEP PROOF of all meetings discussions that you have with your supervisors as this would help you a lot.(watch out for those processes policies etc ) Even an oral communication should be recorded as saying "as discussed ., "
Lets make ourselves aware instead of playing politics and calling each other names.
a mallu replied to: anonym x
post - 01 Sep, 2009
post - 01 Sep, 2009
10: This kind of sean is not only in HCL or
WIPRO. It is also applicable to Perot System.
One fine Friday morning, got calls from HR
and asked we have an very urgent meeting,
please report by in another half an hour.
When people reached HR, simply they said
that, you are laid off please leave the
premises and we will settle every thing and
will send to your address and they took a
forceful RESIGN letter. People who argued
more they were given with TERMINATION letters
with bad conduct. I have seen so many people
who are under performed but they were having
good faith with some senior managers, so they
are out side of lay off list.
I will agree this is all with bull shit manager's( who are not even fit for trainee - dirty minded fellows) management.
I will agree this is all with bull shit manager's( who are not even fit for trainee - dirty minded fellows) management.
Posted by: satyam - 31 Aug, 2009
11:
If you’re reading this, there is at least a small part in you that doesn’t want to die. Listen to it, and please read on.
Suicide is final – once it's done, there’s no changing your mind. Since you have even the slightest of doubts, you owe it to yourself to stay alive.
You can always kill yourself later, why not wait? Even if you wait just one day, you may find a reason not to kill yourself in the meantime.
If you’re feeling suicidal, you’re probably in more pain than you know how to handle. There are ways to reduce the pain, and ways to learn to deal with pain. You can learn both - either way things will get better.
Just because you’re feeling suicidal doesn’t mean you have to act on that feeling.
Consider this – if you’re trying to escape from the pain you are in and seek relief, suicide is not the answer. You cannot feel relief, or anything else for that matter, if you are dead. You must stay alive in order to feel the relief you seek.
Often when feeling suicidal you feel alone. You are not alone – you found us didn’t you? Turn to your family or friends or a priest or a rabbi – anyone that will listen.
By terminating your life right now, you terminate your future. Consider this – we create our own future. You have the power to create whatever future you wish for yourself. But you need to be alive in order to have that future.
If you’re sensitive enough to be in so much pain that you no longer want to live, you’re probably sensitive enough to care about, and want to help others. Maybe you don’t feel like helping anyone else right now, but why not help yourself? And perhaps by not killing yourself and overcoming your difficulties you can later help someone else who is in a similar situation.
If you’re reading this, there is at least a small part in you that doesn’t want to die. Listen to it, and please read on.
Suicide is final – once it's done, there’s no changing your mind. Since you have even the slightest of doubts, you owe it to yourself to stay alive.
You can always kill yourself later, why not wait? Even if you wait just one day, you may find a reason not to kill yourself in the meantime.
If you’re feeling suicidal, you’re probably in more pain than you know how to handle. There are ways to reduce the pain, and ways to learn to deal with pain. You can learn both - either way things will get better.
Just because you’re feeling suicidal doesn’t mean you have to act on that feeling.
Consider this – if you’re trying to escape from the pain you are in and seek relief, suicide is not the answer. You cannot feel relief, or anything else for that matter, if you are dead. You must stay alive in order to feel the relief you seek.
Often when feeling suicidal you feel alone. You are not alone – you found us didn’t you? Turn to your family or friends or a priest or a rabbi – anyone that will listen.
By terminating your life right now, you terminate your future. Consider this – we create our own future. You have the power to create whatever future you wish for yourself. But you need to be alive in order to have that future.
If you’re sensitive enough to be in so much pain that you no longer want to live, you’re probably sensitive enough to care about, and want to help others. Maybe you don’t feel like helping anyone else right now, but why not help yourself? And perhaps by not killing yourself and overcoming your difficulties you can later help someone else who is in a similar situation.
Posted by: Ashok K T - 31 Aug, 2009
13: Well, I'm not related to Wipro or HCL in
anyway. However, after reading all the posts
regarding HR policies and their 'employees
first' mantra, I think I agree with most of
the comments about HR's unjustified ways of
ruining employees' lives. In fact, it is the
'local' management that's behind HR. When you
guys blame HR/management in today's tough
economic times, I can still feel a fraction
of reason on HR/management's part.
I was with a BIG software company in B'lore few years ago when the economy was booming. Their HR and management screwed up my life big time - even during booming economy. The reason - I applied for a position in their US office and it stunned the local HR/management. Why would they let a resource move from "their" organization to "another" In fact, I applied for a different profile in which I earlier had experience, and this profile wasn't available in B'lore office. When I say the profile wasn't available, I mean they didn't have the particular business unit altogether. I was not an a.. licker. So, things turned up like 'applying for a govt. job in general quota'. I guess much worse than that.
The minimum requirement to stay in current profile was surprisingly changed from 12 months to 18 months. I applied for the new profile during 14 month in my current profile. The management did its best to abandon the permission to interview citing "short by 4 months" reason. Fortunately, the interviewer in US decided to go for 'at least' interviews. I had 8 rounds, and the response was pretty positive. I had to go on a vacation just after the last interview. The last interviewer told me that when I get back, I stand a pretty good chance to hear from them!
When I got back, I realized that the results are not even declared - leave aside positive or negative. BTW, it was 16th month by then. I contacted everyone I could to find the results of my interview. But, the result was "never" declared. I think I had the right to know the result. If not ethically, at least for the sense of human courtesy. But, such words don't exist in their HR's dictionary.
The things went on for over a year and after about 8 or 9 months, I was contacted directly by another interviewer for a position in the same profile.
The local management was stunned again! To their utmost surprise and nightmare, the interviewer wanted me to travel to US for a formal face-to-face interview.
"We won't pay you a single penny" - that's what I was told.
Another shock for local management came when the interviewer decided to cover everything for me. What could stop me now?
I traveled, things went well. I came back and waited to hear the results.
Even after being called the 'most ideal candidate and the best fit' by the interviewer, I didn't make it.
In the interview feedback session, the same interviewer had no specific reasons of not selecting me.
What could have gone wrong guys?
Well, I didn't give up. I tried for the same profile position in their another office in India only. This time, after clearing the first round [telephonic round from the US office], the "another office" HR couldn't find a "suitable interviewer" for me - for 3 months. Don't be surprised about "suitable interviewer" - this is exactly what the HR lady told me. The particular business unit, the profile, AND the position existed pretty well there.
I finally decided to quit.
Years after the incident, I still don't know what happened and why I failed time after time.
Is it HR, the local management, or just my bad luck?
I was with a BIG software company in B'lore few years ago when the economy was booming. Their HR and management screwed up my life big time - even during booming economy. The reason - I applied for a position in their US office and it stunned the local HR/management. Why would they let a resource move from "their" organization to "another" In fact, I applied for a different profile in which I earlier had experience, and this profile wasn't available in B'lore office. When I say the profile wasn't available, I mean they didn't have the particular business unit altogether. I was not an a.. licker. So, things turned up like 'applying for a govt. job in general quota'. I guess much worse than that.
The minimum requirement to stay in current profile was surprisingly changed from 12 months to 18 months. I applied for the new profile during 14 month in my current profile. The management did its best to abandon the permission to interview citing "short by 4 months" reason. Fortunately, the interviewer in US decided to go for 'at least' interviews. I had 8 rounds, and the response was pretty positive. I had to go on a vacation just after the last interview. The last interviewer told me that when I get back, I stand a pretty good chance to hear from them!
When I got back, I realized that the results are not even declared - leave aside positive or negative. BTW, it was 16th month by then. I contacted everyone I could to find the results of my interview. But, the result was "never" declared. I think I had the right to know the result. If not ethically, at least for the sense of human courtesy. But, such words don't exist in their HR's dictionary.
The things went on for over a year and after about 8 or 9 months, I was contacted directly by another interviewer for a position in the same profile.
The local management was stunned again! To their utmost surprise and nightmare, the interviewer wanted me to travel to US for a formal face-to-face interview.
"We won't pay you a single penny" - that's what I was told.
Another shock for local management came when the interviewer decided to cover everything for me. What could stop me now?
I traveled, things went well. I came back and waited to hear the results.
Even after being called the 'most ideal candidate and the best fit' by the interviewer, I didn't make it.
In the interview feedback session, the same interviewer had no specific reasons of not selecting me.
What could have gone wrong guys?
Well, I didn't give up. I tried for the same profile position in their another office in India only. This time, after clearing the first round [telephonic round from the US office], the "another office" HR couldn't find a "suitable interviewer" for me - for 3 months. Don't be surprised about "suitable interviewer" - this is exactly what the HR lady told me. The particular business unit, the profile, AND the position existed pretty well there.
I finally decided to quit.
Years after the incident, I still don't know what happened and why I failed time after time.
Is it HR, the local management, or just my bad luck?
Posted by: Annonymous - 31 Aug, 2009
15:In my experience of working as a external
recruiter for a BIG company with branches in
India and Abroad. I had the same expereince
of candidates , they advertised the profiel
as for abroad and then did interviews and
gave them a stupid reason in the end saying
that the profile was only for 2 months onsite
, ok none of the guys joined. So the project
came to us as the local HR in India lifted
the hands up saying that they cannot recruit
them for abroad as no one is interested in
coming despite of good salary. Ok, we jumped
into the Recruitment spree and unfortunate or
fortunately we also got out with 2 guys who
already appeared in that company and got
selected and rejected the offer as it was for
India and only 2 months Onsite. We explained
them it was a permanent position , so all in
all in 5 positions to recruit none of the
guys were recruited from us though all of
them were sent mails from Abroad branch that
they can start with them once their work
permits are done. We were all jubiliated but
after 2 weeks , without any reason ,
we(recruiters) were blamed for no reasons
like no value added service and price is too
high and like fishing in same pool and so on.
the local HR people in India should know that
they are not demi gods, if their technical
companions dont exist they will also not
exists.they are not our boss , i think they
dont know this , that none of the HR guys are
even fit to be thought as Superior guys ...as
no one feels inferior and superior , is this
the professional environment and one should
keep it so. In one of my interviews i had to
take in India , iam a technical person , the
HR manager started showing off and i too
banged him back , and kept in contact with
Tech manager and worked it out. They are a
heck of shit.
why2care replied to: Annonymous
post - 31 Aug, 2009
post - 31 Aug, 2009
16: Neccesity of leave application might be
sometimes very urgent, due to project
completion deadlines some of the managers
might cancell off there leave. Due, to such
situation sometimes employee will be forced
to quit his company since he might think "
employer is not worried about the importance
of individual employer", to be sincere enough
its very difficult for the employer
(especcially company being an MNC) to know
each and very individual personelly, but I
still suggest corporate world should take
care of some measures to do it.
Employee might require leaves due an urgent problems, to be precise urgency will never come to come an individual in advance, but it arrives in a flash... Please have a note on it.
Thanks,
Pavan.K.Shanbhag
Employee might require leaves due an urgent problems, to be precise urgency will never come to come an individual in advance, but it arrives in a flash... Please have a note on it.
Thanks,
Pavan.K.Shanbhag
Posted by: Pavan K Shanbhag - 31 Aug, 2009
17: I would also like to comment...that vishal
and vikas could have been patient and put
their thoughts in coming out of this
situation rather than committing suicide
which would have put there family in more
problem. May god bless there family
members,specially mom and dad. Pagal ladke
hain...apne maa aur baap ke baare may
kamaskum socha hota.
Posted by: shaji - 30 Aug, 2009
18:alliya, enikku manasillayila.....avasanam
paranjathu, malayalathil akku......
don replied to: shaji
post - 31 Aug, 2009
post - 31 Aug, 2009
19: i was an employee of wipro and i would say
that it is a company with integrity and
honesty in everythin it does. So i doubt if
employees of wipro are being harrassed to
wuit the job. I still regret when i think why
i left wipro!
Posted by: shaji - 30 Aug, 2009
20:Oh shit, you are so pathetic dear . Which
project you were in? which tower and which
year ? Either you should be from IMG / or
Security whom we feel are the only
respectable people in wipro
Or
You MUST be certainly those HR's Managers type who enjoy doing nothing say come in an old SANTRO around 10:30 chat with your kind of people in loud noise, and then run around meeting halls carrying that stupid laptops and bluff in meeting halls. (guys above RED tag and on the verge of getting a dark green) ughghgh
I regret when i think why i joined wipro! I am leaving this place within next two weeks.
Or
You MUST be certainly those HR's Managers type who enjoy doing nothing say come in an old SANTRO around 10:30 chat with your kind of people in loud noise, and then run around meeting halls carrying that stupid laptops and bluff in meeting halls. (guys above RED tag and on the verge of getting a dark green) ughghgh
I regret when i think why i joined wipro! I am leaving this place within next two weeks.
anonymous replied to: shaji
post - 01 Sep, 2009
post - 01 Sep, 2009
21: I completely agree. I was there when yadav
committed suicide in S2. I regret joining
Wipro. I have had the worst time in this
company. HR here is bull shit. Managers are
hostile and do not have people management
skills. Leadership is very unimpressive. I
have been tortured and harrassed. The sexual
harrassment committe is just a fancy
committee. I had a bad experience and was
almost tortured while onsite. On several
complaints they did nothing about that guy
and instead ridiculed me.
My boss was harsh with me as his ego was hurt when I did not go for some vague dinner and drinks party that was not even formal.
Today I am on medication thanks to the severe anxiety.
I want to leave this Company as well. Cant spend another day here.
My boss was harsh with me as his ego was hurt when I did not go for some vague dinner and drinks party that was not even formal.
Today I am on medication thanks to the severe anxiety.
I want to leave this Company as well. Cant spend another day here.
Anonymous replied to: anonymous
post - 09 Sep, 2009
post - 09 Sep, 2009
22: Infosys is just a replica of Wipro. Guys join
some mid-sized growing company to show your
potentials.
AS, AVP, DVM, Infosys, Bhubaneswar replied to: Anonymous
post - 18 Sep, 2009
post - 18 Sep, 2009
23: & so M I for the same reasons.. I really
wonder why did i join in the first place.
relieved replied to: anonymous
post - 04 Sep, 2009
post - 04 Sep, 2009
24: There is an urgent need to create an "IT
Employee Union" to fight for our rights
collectively. This is happening again and
again and we all are sleeping. Everyone knows
what Sapient did, how it fired around 500
employees a few months back. The most
surprising thing was that all those employees
exited the company in the way as though they
were a herd of sheeps or goats. None of them
dared to put any resistance or protest.
Posted by: Tulsi Ram Sharma - 30 Aug, 2009
27:www.ITSENA.org is the New Union being found
to answer such questions. join us @
:http://www.itsena.org/register.asp
Sunil M
Sunil M
Sunil Mantri replied to: Tulsi Ram Sharma
post - 30 Aug, 2009
post - 30 Aug, 2009
28: Employers as a rule hardly look at the human
side of the reasons for quitting. This leads
to more employees feeling isolated,
misunderstood and unhappy. In turn it leads
to suicides. The solution as I see it is
employers should see less business value and
more human values
Posted by: ram - 30 Aug, 2009
30: WORKERS UNITE :
Thank you Shilpa for your response. Vishal and Vikas had not only lost their jobs but also their life journey ended prematurely. It clearly demonstrates that employees are totally disorganized, isolated, and have no collective bargaining power. Look at the employees of the Banking industry. They are well organized and they work together to protect their interests at the Workplace. In the United States, several categories of very well paid employees are organized and they firmly bargain their rights. The Police, the Firemen, the Teachers, and even the Faculty members at the Universities have their Unions and negotiate the terms of employment. There is something basically wrong about the manner that was used to conduct the Performance Evaluation of Vikas and Vishal. These two young people were targeted for unfair elimination. The process should be transparent and the rules of the Game should be well known to all of the players. I would still assert that the Companies are Criminally negligent and they have not used safety devices that would have prevented employees plunging down from their buildings. The buildings should be inspected to protect the safety of the employees and it is hazardous to work in these buildings if there are no safety barriers.
Thank you Shilpa for your response. Vishal and Vikas had not only lost their jobs but also their life journey ended prematurely. It clearly demonstrates that employees are totally disorganized, isolated, and have no collective bargaining power. Look at the employees of the Banking industry. They are well organized and they work together to protect their interests at the Workplace. In the United States, several categories of very well paid employees are organized and they firmly bargain their rights. The Police, the Firemen, the Teachers, and even the Faculty members at the Universities have their Unions and negotiate the terms of employment. There is something basically wrong about the manner that was used to conduct the Performance Evaluation of Vikas and Vishal. These two young people were targeted for unfair elimination. The process should be transparent and the rules of the Game should be well known to all of the players. I would still assert that the Companies are Criminally negligent and they have not used safety devices that would have prevented employees plunging down from their buildings. The buildings should be inspected to protect the safety of the employees and it is hazardous to work in these buildings if there are no safety barriers.
Posted by: Major(Retd)Rebbapragada,AMC/PC - 30 Aug, 2009
31: Dear Public,
We wipro have defined ploicies, for everything. If a Employeee comits sucide, we will do the necessary things as per the policy.
Our HR team, Debashis Chaterjee, Achala Mahesh, Piyuesh Dubey, Divya George etc., are really good in removing more than 16,000 people without any problems. I don't know wich HR has talked to vishal for removing from WIPRO. Definitely I will fire the HR.
We are buisness oriented organisation, Vishal has created revenue for the past 5 years,permonth on average he earned 6000 USD, we have given him 600USD permonth. we used to get a profit of 5400USD/month. If he is in bench we cannot generate any revenue. How can we pay the 600 USD, Thats why we asked to leave wipro.He doesn't have the guts to take it forward. We will try to negotiate with the indian Govt and solve this ..becaues we have enough money.ha ha
More layoffs will follow, I have raised my Share value from 220 Rs to 490Rs.this is a pure business.
-Azim Premji
We wipro have defined ploicies, for everything. If a Employeee comits sucide, we will do the necessary things as per the policy.
Our HR team, Debashis Chaterjee, Achala Mahesh, Piyuesh Dubey, Divya George etc., are really good in removing more than 16,000 people without any problems. I don't know wich HR has talked to vishal for removing from WIPRO. Definitely I will fire the HR.
We are buisness oriented organisation, Vishal has created revenue for the past 5 years,permonth on average he earned 6000 USD, we have given him 600USD permonth. we used to get a profit of 5400USD/month. If he is in bench we cannot generate any revenue. How can we pay the 600 USD, Thats why we asked to leave wipro.He doesn't have the guts to take it forward. We will try to negotiate with the indian Govt and solve this ..becaues we have enough money.ha ha
More layoffs will follow, I have raised my Share value from 220 Rs to 490Rs.this is a pure business.
-Azim Premji
Posted by: azim.premji@wipro.com - 30 Aug, 2009
33:I guess Mr. Premji need to update the
statistics a bit more accurately. 16K is an
old number. The number of people fired by
Wipro in the false pretext of performance is
above 24,000. This figure is for the period
Sep 2008- August 2009. May be Mr. Premji can
never explain how so much (more than 24K) low
performers bundled together in Wipro all of a
sudden. It is more than 30 percentage of the
total headcount of Wipro
Public will not see much change in the overall head count at Wipro because freshers from campus (Cheap for the company) has been inducted in approximately equal amounts. This works out extremely cheap (1 to 6 cost on average) for Wipro, but clients has already started complaining about the drop in quality of work. Add to that the cheap publicity stunts done by your team portraying Wipro honoring campus recruitments even in the difficult times. How innovative of you...
If Mr. Premji thinks that the people who are fired for no fault of theirs is gonna spare you, think again. Sooner or later we will come for your head and your top managements. All the money you've swindled by fooling and unlawfully terminating employees is not gonna save you on those painful days. We very well know where you live, how you travel including vehicle numbers and thanks to your punctuality and strict schedules, where you would be at any point of time to a fairly large degree of accuracy.
You reap what you saw. We will ensure that you pay a heavy price for your inhumane decisions. Start "Applying Thought" on migrating to another country because we've vowed to make you life a living hell in India.
Public will not see much change in the overall head count at Wipro because freshers from campus (Cheap for the company) has been inducted in approximately equal amounts. This works out extremely cheap (1 to 6 cost on average) for Wipro, but clients has already started complaining about the drop in quality of work. Add to that the cheap publicity stunts done by your team portraying Wipro honoring campus recruitments even in the difficult times. How innovative of you...
If Mr. Premji thinks that the people who are fired for no fault of theirs is gonna spare you, think again. Sooner or later we will come for your head and your top managements. All the money you've swindled by fooling and unlawfully terminating employees is not gonna save you on those painful days. We very well know where you live, how you travel including vehicle numbers and thanks to your punctuality and strict schedules, where you would be at any point of time to a fairly large degree of accuracy.
You reap what you saw. We will ensure that you pay a heavy price for your inhumane decisions. Start "Applying Thought" on migrating to another country because we've vowed to make you life a living hell in India.
ExWiproite replied to: azim.premji@wipro.com
post - 30 Aug, 2009
post - 30 Aug, 2009
34:just wanted to say hi to Mr. Premji.
Regardless of Wipro's involvement in the affair, this is an unnecessary and cheap satire.
Regardless of Wipro's involvement in the affair, this is an unnecessary and cheap satire.
Bill Gates replied to: azim.premji@wipro.com
post - 30 Aug, 2009
post - 30 Aug, 2009
37:Dear Mr.Premji,
You are mean to say that, whenever your getting business or profit from the employee. you can stich with them otherwaise ........ your people never think about their family & etc....
only business mind..
You are mean to say that, whenever your getting business or profit from the employee. you can stich with them otherwaise ........ your people never think about their family & etc....
only business mind..
Bala replied to: azim.premji@wipro.com
post - 30 Aug, 2009
post - 30 Aug, 2009
38: This is very sad,these days most of the
organizations be it IT related or not are
doing like this,They put the pressure on the
employee to resign.
Proper investigation has to be done and the guilty punished,if not there might be more cases like in the future.
Proper investigation has to be done and the guilty punished,if not there might be more cases like in the future.
Posted by: some1 - 30 Aug, 2009
39: The people dying here are highly educated
engineers.They work in companies to make
there career. Just that company is not doing
well doesnot mean that company or management
puts pressure on employees harass them put
tough metrics to manipulate employee metrics
and show them down on metrics is not good
practices. These practices of employers
depress employees.
Employees in India (most of them) are highly educated and disserve respect they should not be treated cheaply and taken for granted. Company's should not impose there insecurities on employees.
Employees in India (most of them) are highly educated and disserve respect they should not be treated cheaply and taken for granted. Company's should not impose there insecurities on employees.
Posted by: Vishnu - 30 Aug, 2009
40:These step people are taking on financial
pressure after being asked to leave job .one
should be always feel god is trying to give
good opportunity to that person in coming new
job and try is luck again .
love yourself first ,love your family and love your aim and goal .do not love your organization.
love yourself first ,love your family and love your aim and goal .do not love your organization.
praveensinha replied to: Vishnu
post - 30 Aug, 2009
post - 30 Aug, 2009
41: A foul play cant be ignoired in this case.
People coming at odd hours and suiciding -
doesnt exactly suit the coincidence. both the
persons being analysts ... May be they are
being harrassed a lot at work place. The
police should find out the reasons.
Posted by: Lalita - 30 Aug, 2009
42: In these days of recession, job loss, etc.
the stress level is very high. This stress
can lead to unexpected results like suicide,
in rare cases. Most often, it leads to
hypertension, diabetes, depression and other
chronic diseases. What to do if you find
yourself in such a situation. Let alone the
loss of income, in a country like ours,
social stigma plays a critical role. No
doubt, it's each and everyone's karma that's
coming to fruition. But is there a way out of
this deadly chakravyuh?
Yes. Only the Divine can help you get out get of your own mess (karma). Bring God into your life and involve Him in each and every action that you do. Each one should try to work out a strategy to involve the Divine that works best for him/her. You may not see any results overnight, but over time, as your Faith & Trust increases, so will you begin to see miracles unfold. I tell this from experience. I have provided the links a few Youtube clips below and suggest that you watch it with an open mind. Who knows, they may contain the answers to some of the readers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya21cfvd0Q8&am p;feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU4Qc4n0ndo&am p;feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6XPFRpwJCc&am p;feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGN-zodZaIw&am p;feature=channel_page
God Bless You.
Yes. Only the Divine can help you get out get of your own mess (karma). Bring God into your life and involve Him in each and every action that you do. Each one should try to work out a strategy to involve the Divine that works best for him/her. You may not see any results overnight, but over time, as your Faith & Trust increases, so will you begin to see miracles unfold. I tell this from experience. I have provided the links a few Youtube clips below and suggest that you watch it with an open mind. Who knows, they may contain the answers to some of the readers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya21cfvd0Q8&am p;feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU4Qc4n0ndo&am p;feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6XPFRpwJCc&am p;feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGN-zodZaIw&am p;feature=channel_page
God Bless You.
Posted by: Raudreyaa - 29 Aug, 2009
43: Wipro ek chudi hui comapny he in straight
when ever they want they twist there policy.
They will mak employee to frustrate to such
extent that sucide will be common if you work
more than two yeras here- Proud to be a
wiproite
Posted by: Sam - 29 Aug, 2009
44: i strongly say that every body must learn
the Art of living ,modern and professional
education gives only the way of earning .
life is full of challenges to face and then
any human become the perfect .this is also
very sad to know that highly qualified
persons has done this .actualy this is a main
draw back of modern education . time, money
and life are the different factoresmatters
any human being balance is always required
Posted by: pravin gehlot - 29 Aug, 2009
46: VISHAL AND VIKAS - TWO BEAUTIFUL NAMES :
The parents of these two young engineers had chosen such beautiful names and the unfortunate ending of their lives raises many questions.
1. Workplace Harassment : What are the policies and procedures established by these Companies to prevent, to report, and to correct Workplace Harassment? These two young men could be victims of Harassment and hence the deaths are unnatural and should be investigated as Crimes. Their story cannot be reported as 'SUICIDE' until a full criminal investigation is conducted.
2.Workplace Safety : Workplace should provide a safe and secure environment to all of its employees. The employee should have no access to the roof of the building, particularly a High-rise building.The employer is responsible and is expected to install security devices to prevent access. The door should be secure and could also be armed with an alarm system. The jump from 5th floor also poses several questions about security and access and reporting to Police immediately after the incident. The Police must know that there was no foul paly.
3. Job Security and Job Counselling : If the employee had no legal contract, the employer should provide proper Counselling about job opportunities and should hire an independent Psychologist to provide psychological counselling prior to termination of employment. When a person is hired for a job, the person is provided 'Job Orientation'. When a person is removed from a job, the displaced person should be provided a mandatory psychological counselling to cope up with the consequences of the loss of job and income. For a newly hired person, most Companies insist upon Job Orientation and hence job termination should be preceded by Psychological Counselling.
4.Civil Rights : An employee is entitled to Civil Rights even if the person has no job contarct. The employee cannot be subjected to unfair treatment.
5.Employee Organizations : If not Trade Unions, employees have to organize themselves and protect and defend their interests at Workplace. It appears that Vishal and Vikas had worked at places where the employees are not properly organized and hence exploitation and abuse is possible.
Finally, I would ask all readers to believe in the Fifth Fundamental Force that operates the Universe and the Living Entities. The Universe that we live in, and our individual existence is not because of our physical capacity or intelligence. We exist because of a Force/Energy/Power which has been described in Sanskrit language as 'KRUPA'. When we recognize that Force, it changes the direction of our physical movement upon planet Earth.When you think of jumping from a High-rise building or consuming poison, or harming your own existence, just reflect upon this Force called Krupa and it transforms your life and changes its course. Krupa works like the Gravitational Force, a Force that keeps all the heavenly bodies to move in an orderly manner. When this order is removed, the resulting CHAOS would cause Massive Collisions.To keep your existence on the correct course, invoke that Mercy, Compassion, and Grace that caused the existence. We have no energy or natural ability of our own to exist in Nature.All of us with or without jobs, in good health or sickness, young or old, just depend upon the Bestower of Krupa for our Human Existence.
I am speaking about it from my personal experience. A young person known to me had wanted to jump from a High-rise building, Before he could take that fatal leap, he just turned back.In a fraction of a second,the direction, the physical course of his movement got changed, and on his own, he walked back. He still lives with his problems but he did not end up like VISHAL or VIKAS, two beautiful names whose journey could not be changed on time.
The parents of these two young engineers had chosen such beautiful names and the unfortunate ending of their lives raises many questions.
1. Workplace Harassment : What are the policies and procedures established by these Companies to prevent, to report, and to correct Workplace Harassment? These two young men could be victims of Harassment and hence the deaths are unnatural and should be investigated as Crimes. Their story cannot be reported as 'SUICIDE' until a full criminal investigation is conducted.
2.Workplace Safety : Workplace should provide a safe and secure environment to all of its employees. The employee should have no access to the roof of the building, particularly a High-rise building.The employer is responsible and is expected to install security devices to prevent access. The door should be secure and could also be armed with an alarm system. The jump from 5th floor also poses several questions about security and access and reporting to Police immediately after the incident. The Police must know that there was no foul paly.
3. Job Security and Job Counselling : If the employee had no legal contract, the employer should provide proper Counselling about job opportunities and should hire an independent Psychologist to provide psychological counselling prior to termination of employment. When a person is hired for a job, the person is provided 'Job Orientation'. When a person is removed from a job, the displaced person should be provided a mandatory psychological counselling to cope up with the consequences of the loss of job and income. For a newly hired person, most Companies insist upon Job Orientation and hence job termination should be preceded by Psychological Counselling.
4.Civil Rights : An employee is entitled to Civil Rights even if the person has no job contarct. The employee cannot be subjected to unfair treatment.
5.Employee Organizations : If not Trade Unions, employees have to organize themselves and protect and defend their interests at Workplace. It appears that Vishal and Vikas had worked at places where the employees are not properly organized and hence exploitation and abuse is possible.
Finally, I would ask all readers to believe in the Fifth Fundamental Force that operates the Universe and the Living Entities. The Universe that we live in, and our individual existence is not because of our physical capacity or intelligence. We exist because of a Force/Energy/Power which has been described in Sanskrit language as 'KRUPA'. When we recognize that Force, it changes the direction of our physical movement upon planet Earth.When you think of jumping from a High-rise building or consuming poison, or harming your own existence, just reflect upon this Force called Krupa and it transforms your life and changes its course. Krupa works like the Gravitational Force, a Force that keeps all the heavenly bodies to move in an orderly manner. When this order is removed, the resulting CHAOS would cause Massive Collisions.To keep your existence on the correct course, invoke that Mercy, Compassion, and Grace that caused the existence. We have no energy or natural ability of our own to exist in Nature.All of us with or without jobs, in good health or sickness, young or old, just depend upon the Bestower of Krupa for our Human Existence.
I am speaking about it from my personal experience. A young person known to me had wanted to jump from a High-rise building, Before he could take that fatal leap, he just turned back.In a fraction of a second,the direction, the physical course of his movement got changed, and on his own, he walked back. He still lives with his problems but he did not end up like VISHAL or VIKAS, two beautiful names whose journey could not be changed on time.
Posted by: Major(Retd) Rudra Rebbapragada - 29 Aug, 2009
47:The destiny is in your hands!
Everyone unite and definitely impossible will be possible.
Visit http://www.unitespro.org Joing the movement and fight for justice.
Everyone unite and definitely impossible will be possible.
Visit http://www.unitespro.org Joing the movement and fight for justice.
Shilpa replied to: Major(Retd) Rudra Rebbapragada
post - 29 Aug, 2009
post - 29 Aug, 2009
48: I had worked in five companies during a
tenure of 10 years.
I resigned from first four companies, owing to unfriendly HR policies. These firms had asked for notice period, and compliance of hand over procedures before giving me with my relieving letters. The fifth company totally pissed me off. The HR was a headstrong guy. He asked me to fire a subordinate of mine which I did not agree with, because I couldn't find any proper cause. He retaliated by mailing me a letter of termination, without any notice period or pay. while the letter was on the way, he rang up to tell me that I should not come to office the very next day onwards. It was just one month back that a son was born to me, and I had the task of caring for two lives under my wings. The HR obvisously knew that and he carried immense enjoyment in firing me and depriving me of a proper relieving letter, neither did he explain the reasons for firing. For the next six months, I was looking for jobs, with a firing history just behind my back and absence of references, all doors closed before me. I just clinged on to life in good faith, and with the strong sense of responsibility that I had to protect two other lives.It was no less than seven months util I found a job, till then I had to survive on credit cards. I know my story is not one in the kind. The public has to be aware and enlightened to make sure we have protective measures in place for the helpless disorganized young IT employees
I resigned from first four companies, owing to unfriendly HR policies. These firms had asked for notice period, and compliance of hand over procedures before giving me with my relieving letters. The fifth company totally pissed me off. The HR was a headstrong guy. He asked me to fire a subordinate of mine which I did not agree with, because I couldn't find any proper cause. He retaliated by mailing me a letter of termination, without any notice period or pay. while the letter was on the way, he rang up to tell me that I should not come to office the very next day onwards. It was just one month back that a son was born to me, and I had the task of caring for two lives under my wings. The HR obvisously knew that and he carried immense enjoyment in firing me and depriving me of a proper relieving letter, neither did he explain the reasons for firing. For the next six months, I was looking for jobs, with a firing history just behind my back and absence of references, all doors closed before me. I just clinged on to life in good faith, and with the strong sense of responsibility that I had to protect two other lives.It was no less than seven months util I found a job, till then I had to survive on credit cards. I know my story is not one in the kind. The public has to be aware and enlightened to make sure we have protective measures in place for the helpless disorganized young IT employees
Posted by: Prasanth - 29 Aug, 2009
49: visit Sri Sri ashram in banaglore or bihar
school of yoga or SVYASA bangalore or amma
institute in kerala, sachidananda ashram in
tamilnadu, or Ram dev school, visit some YOGA
schools and spend some of your time there...
and see they have very good courses that will
teach you more about life. as i know it is
99% a best option, so dear friends, please
visit your near yoga school and learn from
them some importent tips for your life ,
namaste , sudhiryoga@gmail.com
Posted by: sudhir, mangalore-china. - 29 Aug, 2009
50: Suicide is a very bad option in life , Iam a
wiproite myself and this is a act of coward
... an IT job is not the last option in life
.... there are many ways to live be brave and
go forward ...
But his death is definitely a eyeopener for many software employees , just live knowling all options .
But his death is definitely a eyeopener for many software employees , just live knowling all options .
Posted by: Jay - 29 Aug, 2009
51: Hey dear IT friends pls dont lose your heart.
There is life beyond IT Job. When one door
closes, then ten new doors open.
Our sight should not be on the closed door, but on the open doors. (Tejguru Sirshree). So please please dare to live my dear friends. Life is ours ..... and precious too.
Our sight should not be on the closed door, but on the open doors. (Tejguru Sirshree). So please please dare to live my dear friends. Life is ours ..... and precious too.
Posted by: Chandrakant Bandmantri - 29 Aug, 2009
52: That's not solutions of depration.Agar hum
log mookabla nahin karenge to fir private
sector main officer bad khatam nahin hoga.
Posted by: Sumit Kumar - 29 Aug, 2009
53: Why people are thinking that only money saves
their life.
why people are not confident about themselves. Think some different way how to tackle the problem.Anyone's life does not solve the any issue........
Really Recession is big issue for some company and also big excuse for some company.
why people are not confident about themselves. Think some different way how to tackle the problem.Anyone's life does not solve the any issue........
Really Recession is big issue for some company and also big excuse for some company.
Posted by: Paulson Abraham - 29 Aug, 2009
54: They selected you as an employee when you are
a FRESHER(a kid who studies well and dresses
properly) and train u to do ther job and give
you THOUSANDs(money) as your salary u are
happy and you jump around here and there
saying I AM AT WIPRO/HCL/INFOSYS etc.
after years(after getting all the needed KNOWLEDGE and EXPERIENCED) due to loss if they sack you why do you blame them..........
dont u people have brains stop blaming others..........
when they get profit they gave u benefits when it got down you go with it.
TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT (it its called LIFE)
after years(after getting all the needed KNOWLEDGE and EXPERIENCED) due to loss if they sack you why do you blame them..........
dont u people have brains stop blaming others..........
when they get profit they gave u benefits when it got down you go with it.
TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT (it its called LIFE)
Posted by: Jon - 29 Aug, 2009
55:YOU ARE THINKING ONLY FROM ONE SIDE.
COMPANIES TRAIN US FOR THEIR BUSINESS. SAME
WAY THEY SACK FOR PROFIT. EMP AND COMPANY
GETS TO GETHER FOR THEIR PROFIT/BUSINESS.
NOTHING TO BLAME BT WE NEED TO BE STRONG BY
OUR HEART.
AVINASH replied to: Jon
post - 29 Aug, 2009
post - 29 Aug, 2009
56: We don't know what went wrong with them, bt
blaming only IT companies' HR policies will
be too early.Who can forget that these IT
companies have given much respect, money n
fame to Engineers in society n abroad.How can
we blame these companies now on such
incidents without knowing actual reasons.It's
sad that it happened but we should not ignore
the deceased personal problems also.Let the
Investigations report come. I think we are
making much hue and cry on IT companies
because of recession n layoff. Export
companies have vastly affected due to
recession but nobody knows the agony of their
employee.IT companies are still knwon for
their best HR policies in India.Plz think b4
blame.
Posted by: Ashish Barnwal - 29 Aug, 2009
57: Until unless there is stavation we should not
do this kaward job for suiside. If u want to
do something do for ur country always tried
to convey ur talent and join force to save ur
country. Life cannot be waste like a
garbbage.
Posted by: Santosh Mohapatra - 29 Aug, 2009
58: To all in this forum and working or worked
for Wipro, first let us pray for Vishal's
soul to rest in peace, support the family
which is greaving his death. Well though i do
understand the killing oneself is not what i
would preach or i would support here, but at
the same time we should also know that when
one gets to that decision, we need to
understand the kind of trauma, mental
pressure an individual would go through.
Unfortunately i have been associated with
this organisation and one of the victims as
listed below in this chain. Not with projects
but with the middle management and the sr
management. for those who are unaware of the
ethics these top managers have in corporates
specifially in wipro the one phrase i would
want to use is WHITE COLLAR CRIMINALS. one
should understand the fact that every body
wants to save his or her own arse for their
own good and not for the organisation. This
is right from the front line to the chairman
of the organisation. If someone refutes this
everyone has or had seen the visual and fact
that satyam case. So is Wipro, unfortunately
this organisations boasts of intergrety value
for people and some scrap which does not
exist in a drop of attidue with this
organisation. Wipro boasts of high levels of
integrity with its people who are with them
for 10 yrs - 25 yrs or even more... do you
know the kind of assests these people pose or
own in their family and friends name... the
kind of benefits these guys get from the
vendors.. the bribes which they pay for the
politicians .. well in some case the
politians are better .. least we know what
they are about. It is heartening to hear that
these are the guys who talk about the
operations in government and politicians.
Not deviating into the topic, the worst ever
HR team which i have seen in my career. Today
any organization is interested in recruiting
HR professionals from IIM, or any five star
university... theory these guys can talk for
hours, but if it comes to acutal
implementation these HR teams would not
hesitate to throw the ball in others court. I
am writing this hoping at some point of time
Mr Premji reads this comment and stops
worring about turnovers and also to start
worrying about the resources which has given
him such amount of dollars and a prestige in
the country. I am sure this is gonna be a
mirage.. a mere mirage ... i just pray that
we do not get any more vishals / vikas.
Someone was telling about labour laws, but
gentlemen most of you software guys do not
bother to know your rights, nevertheles we
have an disgusting labour laws which are
dated back to the 1948 which does not have
any such provision to handle such kind of
attrocities.. Well atleast this incidence
though unfortunate has opened up .. to create
a forum and a kind of representations..
Posted by: Mag - 29 Aug, 2009
59:Totally Agree .For some reason I have started
to think that Politicians are much better
than these companies. Politicians are greedy
but these companies are excessively greedy.
Ram Yadav replied to: Mag
post - 30 Aug, 2009
post - 30 Aug, 2009
60: why these kind of peoples are doing like this
face the problems what ever comes in to our
way dont do these kind of idiotic job is
important but life and our lovable family is
more than important than job....
Posted by: R.Radhakrishnan - 29 Aug, 2009
61:absolutely right mr. Radhakrishnan i do agree
with your comment. In my cv i have worked
with 3 companies. Reckitt Benckiser india
ltd, Subhiksha and Medplus. subhiksha has
been shut down, medplus has winded up their
business from where i was working. I was
jobless 2 months but i got a very good
opportunity after 2 months. now everything is
ok
Jitender Sharma replied to: R.Radhakrishnan
post - 29 Aug, 2009
post - 29 Aug, 2009
62: the real problem is our society in which we
live. whenever someone looses his/her job or
don't get a job then people , relatives and
family starts talking about it as if one has
done some crime. makes it a big thing, makes
you feel like you are useless. And as
everyone is not same and strong enough to
handle such situations, they try easy ways to
end up everything. And now a days its not so
easy to get a job for evryone when hundreds
and thousands of people are standing in front
of you and behind you for the same job.
Pradeep Modgekar replied to: Jitender Sharma
post - 29 Aug, 2009
post - 29 Aug, 2009
63: Whatever theproblem is, there ll be a
solution, bun it should not be the death.
Please, make a right decision, think of the
surronudings and the family. Clear ur
thoughts by having a good disscussion with
good and best friends.....
Posted by: M.J.Suresh - 29 Aug, 2009
64: I kindly request all not to do these type of
non-matured activities.Also if we came to
know one of our collegue is sacked by the
company give him mental strength.
The life is like a wheel of a cycle.Ups and downs will be there. If it is down wait for the ups.
Beleive in God.
May those two guys soul rest in peace.
The life is like a wheel of a cycle.Ups and downs will be there. If it is down wait for the ups.
Beleive in God.
May those two guys soul rest in peace.
Posted by: Salih KM - 28 Aug, 2009
65: Today he or she is doing it, you may do same
tomorrow.
Adopt a way to find the solution…Unite first. Tell the management to reduce payments by 20 to 30 % of all and not to sack any one. Are you ready?
Adopt a way to find the solution…Unite first. Tell the management to reduce payments by 20 to 30 % of all and not to sack any one. Are you ready?
Posted by: Ujwal Latkar - 28 Aug, 2009
66:Ujwal you are correct.
Tell the management to reduce the pay of all the employees and
Tell the management to reduce the pay of all the employees and
Salih KM replied to: Ujwal Latkar
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
67: Guy,s this is not the way we are going for
money or success, relax and then work.
Remember those friends and relatives who were
not able to perform. so its time to give them
a call and tell them its not success which is
everything in life. Life is much more then
that. Put your ego aside and call them now.
Live your life with joy not with success. So
much called by everyone. Love all.
sanjay......... 09811088041
Posted by: sanjay - 28 Aug, 2009
68: Co. will sack ppl when not reqd. BUT co. has
a responsibility towards their employees.
They must be compensated for the loss. They
must be given at least 3 months benefits and
some sort of support to find a new job or
start some business.
Regarding Wipro Technologies, I know they are playing very unprofessional tactics to remove ppl and avoid paying compensation to forced resigned ppl. Employees are under stress. I think co. will pay for this in the long run.
Navin Kumar
Regarding Wipro Technologies, I know they are playing very unprofessional tactics to remove ppl and avoid paying compensation to forced resigned ppl. Employees are under stress. I think co. will pay for this in the long run.
Navin Kumar
Posted by: Navin Kumar - 28 Aug, 2009
69:Join the only IT union in India - UNITES
Professionals and strengthen the movement.
Visit http://www.unitespro.org
Visit http://www.unitespro.org
Raj replied to: Navin Kumar
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
70: Today he or she is doing it, you may do same
tomorrow.
Adopt a way to find the solution…Unite first. Tell the management to reduce payments by 20 to 30 % of all and not to sack any one. Are you ready?
Adopt a way to find the solution…Unite first. Tell the management to reduce payments by 20 to 30 % of all and not to sack any one. Are you ready?
Ujwal Latkar replied to: Raj
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
71:During these tough times of recession, one
has to understand how the company can pay
for the employees when they have run out of
projects.
At the same time company officials have to see to it that the employees have to be made to understand the situation and have to deal with the situation in a polite manner.
One cannot force another to get things done ...
At the same time company officials have to see to it that the employees have to be made to understand the situation and have to deal with the situation in a polite manner.
One cannot force another to get things done ...
Murali replied to: Navin Kumar
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
72: Lisa saurabh anyone can I have your phone
numbers. I need urgent help.Otherwise the
next suicide news will be that of mine. PLS
GUYS HELP ME
prathap replied to: Murali
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
73:Managers / HRs or whoever playing power games
for a long time- fortunately your stinking
tricks in the recession time have been well
exposed by thses unfortunate events.
Don't worry, you enough frustrated people. Now wait for your turn to have kick on your ----les. Will you think of playing these cheap games in Europian countries. If you really have such guts, you are most welcome. We show you the destination.
Don't worry, you enough frustrated people. Now wait for your turn to have kick on your ----les. Will you think of playing these cheap games in Europian countries. If you really have such guts, you are most welcome. We show you the destination.
Brother Bear replied to: Navin Kumar
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
74:You know friends
this is the reason these idiotic companies are not allowin employee Unions in IT companies so that they can play their dirty tactics liberally.these 2 companies are natorious for sending out their employees in an humilated manner.HRs are feeling like ek din ka sulthans. HRs-you should be ashamed of yourselves for being an employee of these companies, sending out your colleagues in an humilating manner. Go back to your so called 'business schools' and learn culture first...jokers
this is the reason these idiotic companies are not allowin employee Unions in IT companies so that they can play their dirty tactics liberally.these 2 companies are natorious for sending out their employees in an humilated manner.HRs are feeling like ek din ka sulthans. HRs-you should be ashamed of yourselves for being an employee of these companies, sending out your colleagues in an humilating manner. Go back to your so called 'business schools' and learn culture first...jokers
LD ke Ball replied to: Navin Kumar
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
76: From the paragraph " Wipro engineer, Vishal
Yadav (29), had a BE in electronics and
hailed from Madhya Pradesh. Since May 17,
2004, he was working with Wipro as a Business
Analyst and had gone on leave for two months.
Interestingly, he had put in his papers via
e-mail and was supposed to be relieved of his
duties on August 31."
the following investigations must be done by police.
1> Reason for going for such a long leve.
2> why he has been asked forserving 2 months service period ?
3> Extent of mental tortures provided by WIpro managers to Vishal in last discussions, like appraisal, TED , Project discuiions with him,
His immidiate superwiser and privious superwiser, and privious to privious superwisers should be brought in for investigation and
4> vishal's team members should also be investigatedin tis regard in his last project .
5> Vishal's parents and his cousins and his room mates too should provide his last comments on his career at wipro.
I am damn sure 99.99 % the one of managers of Vishal had given him mental torture which leed him for suicide. and I am sure wipro will do all circus in hiding this.
Parents & Relatives of Vishal should be very carefull in this regard and if wipro tries to pay some amount , to hide this from deep investigation , then the parents and relatives should immidiately inform police and further help others in this regard
the following investigations must be done by police.
1> Reason for going for such a long leve.
2> why he has been asked forserving 2 months service period ?
3> Extent of mental tortures provided by WIpro managers to Vishal in last discussions, like appraisal, TED , Project discuiions with him,
His immidiate superwiser and privious superwiser, and privious to privious superwisers should be brought in for investigation and
4> vishal's team members should also be investigatedin tis regard in his last project .
5> Vishal's parents and his cousins and his room mates too should provide his last comments on his career at wipro.
I am damn sure 99.99 % the one of managers of Vishal had given him mental torture which leed him for suicide. and I am sure wipro will do all circus in hiding this.
Parents & Relatives of Vishal should be very carefull in this regard and if wipro tries to pay some amount , to hide this from deep investigation , then the parents and relatives should immidiately inform police and further help others in this regard
Posted by: xWiproite - 28 Aug, 2009
77:appraisal- that is a big joke in the above
companies. cultureless bastards and bunch o
jokers are deciding the appraisals. they feel
they are from the heaven. these bapoons
leaves at 5.30 to enjoy their salary and
throws huge amonuts of work at poor
youngsters. you idiots your time has come to
an end. power games will not stand longer.
keep watching. i hope few of you already have
been slapped already. if not wait.
gudda replied to: xWiproite
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
78: These HR and Managers licking at the higher
level Manger only for the sack of promotion
and money. Playing such a cheap tactics -
shaking their colleagues in order to show
profit at YoY.
While we are going through unrealistic time lines to complete work, these bustard HRs enjoying their privileges.
I request especially freshers, never join any servicing company like HCL/Wipro.
These companies will ruin your career. Neither will you get good work nor Money. These companies policy is "only Earn never think about employee Learn".
While we are going through unrealistic time lines to complete work, these bustard HRs enjoying their privileges.
I request especially freshers, never join any servicing company like HCL/Wipro.
These companies will ruin your career. Neither will you get good work nor Money. These companies policy is "only Earn never think about employee Learn".
ELTC replied to: gudda
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
79: My name is manoj Chauhan and . Let me
introduce my self first - I am an Civil
Engineer and have been working in Bangalore
for the past 3 years in the field of
Construction
But apart from that i also run my own business part time for the past 1 years which we run from home in spare time . I just wanted to check if you keep your eyes open to making more money and doing something on the side along with your job. In case you are open to some new ideas, I would like to meet you for an hour or so and show you how we work and we could take it forward from there.
Do let me know if you are open and we could fix a time and place to meet. Also, if you could pass me your contact nos. we can talk directly on the phone. You could also call me at 09730040526
Best wishes,
manoj
But apart from that i also run my own business part time for the past 1 years which we run from home in spare time . I just wanted to check if you keep your eyes open to making more money and doing something on the side along with your job. In case you are open to some new ideas, I would like to meet you for an hour or so and show you how we work and we could take it forward from there.
Do let me know if you are open and we could fix a time and place to meet. Also, if you could pass me your contact nos. we can talk directly on the phone. You could also call me at 09730040526
Best wishes,
manoj
manoj replied to: ELTC
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
80: Hey Manoj, you must be working for some kind
MLM business making piramids (Influx, Amway
lablablab) trying to trap people...
AntiMLM replied to: manoj
post - 03 Sep, 2009
post - 03 Sep, 2009
81: Hi Manoj,
I am intested in doing part time business if its very interesting to me.plz do let me know about the business.
I am intested in doing part time business if its very interesting to me.plz do let me know about the business.
nethra replied to: manoj
post - 30 Aug, 2009
post - 30 Aug, 2009
82: well said gudda
the appraisal system, unrealistic time lines....etc are unforrtunately deciced by the jokers in HCL
the appraisal system, unrealistic time lines....etc are unforrtunately deciced by the jokers in HCL
louda replied to: gudda
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
83: One of these companies,acting very smartly
saying
'employee first'.
Yes, employee first for -X-X-ing Keep acting so smart. In fact this company acting so smart that recession is prolonging and showing huge profits on employee salary cuts. B------ds.
'employee first'.
Yes, employee first for -X-X-ing Keep acting so smart. In fact this company acting so smart that recession is prolonging and showing huge profits on employee salary cuts. B------ds.
nee gudda replied to: ELTC
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
84: Dear Friends,
As all of you know comitting suicide is always a bad option.
So what if you have 3-4 million loan on you and bank will take your home from you in which you have put all your savings so far. So what if you have a family to look after, your ailing parents, your kids' education etc and you are out of your job.
Even worst than what I have mentioned here, can give you only a temporary stress. Believe me, if you have courage, with time not only you will compensate your losses but you will go beyond that.
But what if you commit suicide. its permanent loss.
What happens when a person commits suicide:
1. Person's family and loved ones get a trauma to haunt them throughout their lives.
2. Companies or persons who made him to commit suicide will hardly be impacted or punished. Life will be usual for them after a while.
3. You are earning source of your family which is lost forever. Now who will take care of them?
4. Companies or persons who made person to commit suicide gets another person.
5. All your policies like Insurance will NOT PAY anything to your loved once as all agreement gets void for commiting suicide.
6. Any great cause like UNION formation is negatively impacted due to this. See here people have forgotten about Ram's case and talking about a dead person who can not fight forget about winning. Focus is lost and effort of Ram is also wasted.
IN SHORT YOU AND YOUR ASSOCIATES LOOSE AND VILLAINS GET BENEFITED. PLEASE DONT TAKE SUCH STEPS, NO MATTER WHATEVER HAPPENS.
And for your information, NASSCOM can not balcklist a person who has not broken any contract or who has not done anything illegal. You can always say NO if someone asks you to sign a blank paper or ask you to resign for no reason without any fear.
Check how many persons has been blacklisted by NASSCOM.
And filing a case as Ram did against these anti-social elements for their deeds is always an option.
Its true any company has authority to sack a person with due notice and/or three months salary, and so employee has right to leave with proper notice and/or salary cut. But what is wrong happening in IT industries are
1. people are being asked to stretch all the time meaning two persons doing the job of three persons and third person is being thrown out.
2. people are being thrown out or put on salary cut if they are not billable for few days, just because its recession and whenever required persons with skills are available outside. In other words contract of employment is being broken by company.
And no logic of making profit etc goes here, as companies can not have rights to exploit people. And market pressure to show percentage profit can not result into increased load on workers at lesser wage and job cuts.
3. Companies can not throw people out without proper compensation and for reasons of keeping its profit margin intact. In other words companies has to share risk of bad times as well.
4. What so ever, harassment and unethical behavior at work place is not acceptable.
As IT industries are maturing, it is bound to happen that people will not have higher salary every year due to saturation in demand. But if higher management is willing to maintain its hight salary growth year after year, it will tend to exploit people. And therefore, we need a guard, a UNION, which makes sure that exploitation is not so easy that whenever recession happens, lower management people are thrown on streets just to keep high growth. UNION and labour law is needed to ensure that a higher management salary cut and low operational cost is far easier than laying off people in thousands.
US and Europe have laws which protects employees' rights, which is missing in India, and only an organisational effort can get some thing similar in place in India as well.
As all of you know comitting suicide is always a bad option.
So what if you have 3-4 million loan on you and bank will take your home from you in which you have put all your savings so far. So what if you have a family to look after, your ailing parents, your kids' education etc and you are out of your job.
Even worst than what I have mentioned here, can give you only a temporary stress. Believe me, if you have courage, with time not only you will compensate your losses but you will go beyond that.
But what if you commit suicide. its permanent loss.
What happens when a person commits suicide:
1. Person's family and loved ones get a trauma to haunt them throughout their lives.
2. Companies or persons who made him to commit suicide will hardly be impacted or punished. Life will be usual for them after a while.
3. You are earning source of your family which is lost forever. Now who will take care of them?
4. Companies or persons who made person to commit suicide gets another person.
5. All your policies like Insurance will NOT PAY anything to your loved once as all agreement gets void for commiting suicide.
6. Any great cause like UNION formation is negatively impacted due to this. See here people have forgotten about Ram's case and talking about a dead person who can not fight forget about winning. Focus is lost and effort of Ram is also wasted.
IN SHORT YOU AND YOUR ASSOCIATES LOOSE AND VILLAINS GET BENEFITED. PLEASE DONT TAKE SUCH STEPS, NO MATTER WHATEVER HAPPENS.
And for your information, NASSCOM can not balcklist a person who has not broken any contract or who has not done anything illegal. You can always say NO if someone asks you to sign a blank paper or ask you to resign for no reason without any fear.
Check how many persons has been blacklisted by NASSCOM.
And filing a case as Ram did against these anti-social elements for their deeds is always an option.
Its true any company has authority to sack a person with due notice and/or three months salary, and so employee has right to leave with proper notice and/or salary cut. But what is wrong happening in IT industries are
1. people are being asked to stretch all the time meaning two persons doing the job of three persons and third person is being thrown out.
2. people are being thrown out or put on salary cut if they are not billable for few days, just because its recession and whenever required persons with skills are available outside. In other words contract of employment is being broken by company.
And no logic of making profit etc goes here, as companies can not have rights to exploit people. And market pressure to show percentage profit can not result into increased load on workers at lesser wage and job cuts.
3. Companies can not throw people out without proper compensation and for reasons of keeping its profit margin intact. In other words companies has to share risk of bad times as well.
4. What so ever, harassment and unethical behavior at work place is not acceptable.
As IT industries are maturing, it is bound to happen that people will not have higher salary every year due to saturation in demand. But if higher management is willing to maintain its hight salary growth year after year, it will tend to exploit people. And therefore, we need a guard, a UNION, which makes sure that exploitation is not so easy that whenever recession happens, lower management people are thrown on streets just to keep high growth. UNION and labour law is needed to ensure that a higher management salary cut and low operational cost is far easier than laying off people in thousands.
US and Europe have laws which protects employees' rights, which is missing in India, and only an organisational effort can get some thing similar in place in India as well.
Posted by: WouldLike2BAnonymous - 28 Aug, 2009
85:NASSCOM is nothing but pure shit run by b..ds
for bas..s. Left to themselves they would
like to make everyone in India a call center
robotic slave so that their members get rich
and they too. GOI should disband this
organisation if India is to become innovative
like China, which is too much to expect from
the fools who rule India.
VR Gopal replied to: WouldLike2BAnonymous
post - 29 Aug, 2009
post - 29 Aug, 2009
86: NASSCOM is an ASSOCIATION. Like any other
association its sole aim is to safeguard its
members' interest. If you are not organized
and United, it does not mean your BOSS don't
UNITE.
Right step at right time, doing excessive for others but just right for themselves.
Right step at right time, doing excessive for others but just right for themselves.
WouldLike2BAnonymous replied to: VR Gopal
post - 31 Aug, 2009
post - 31 Aug, 2009
87:Hi Gentleman / Noble Lady,
I feel really happy to see your +ve Message to the young people.
life is not just getting money for your loved ones, it is much more than just money.
while others were cursing the Companies, and the HR people, or entire people in the system.
It is quite unfortunate that both the Engineers has got upset rather got dipressed becuase of the so called recession.
I am not really with you in some of your statements, but may what come, all of us has to live our life.
I strongly Condemn if they has been harrased by their supervisors, it is the Responsibility of the top management team, to instruct their team, to handle the employees with humanity. all of the top management is still earning money based on the tasks done by the employees, who has lost life now. they would have brought you atleast 4-6 fold of what you were paying them, what you will loose if you are paying them for 1 month without even billing, maximum your profit after TAX may slightly comedown, worse is the share value may come down, but in the 2nd or atleast 3rd month they will get you much more returns.
I sugeest this to all great HR team please use your skills contructively for the sake of a life atleast.
I also wish to communicate who curse the HR team & Companies, please note that nothing is free in the world, will you give something free for a longer time to your own cousins / Neighbors, then how do you all expect they company has to take care of you just becuase they hired you.
if you are not giving returns I assure you if they keep paying say 100s / 1000s of employees from whom they are not able to take the returns, they will be like other US companies (Bankruptcy)is this what you want? and as a consequence that company can not sustain their financials forget about the Profit / Share Value, they will start making Loss if they do not bill you more than 35 - 40 days, they also pay you that huge. let us try to understand and respect each other first.
in some of the comments I have seen by the so called ex - employees, is this the way to express?, now are you not harassing the Team HR / Top Managemet, by comenting in 3rd degree language, will they not decide to throw their life because of your harrasements, by then will you all go and extend help to their families?
it is really non sense and all of us have enjoed the facilities whien we have served the comapnies, like pick up drop, food at Subsidised price with all other aminities in the premises, ofcourse we have enjoyed all becuase of our SKILLS.
My deep condolence, to the family members, friends and the relatives of Mr. Vishal Yadav and Vikas Kumar Sharma
I feel really happy to see your +ve Message to the young people.
life is not just getting money for your loved ones, it is much more than just money.
while others were cursing the Companies, and the HR people, or entire people in the system.
It is quite unfortunate that both the Engineers has got upset rather got dipressed becuase of the so called recession.
I am not really with you in some of your statements, but may what come, all of us has to live our life.
I strongly Condemn if they has been harrased by their supervisors, it is the Responsibility of the top management team, to instruct their team, to handle the employees with humanity. all of the top management is still earning money based on the tasks done by the employees, who has lost life now. they would have brought you atleast 4-6 fold of what you were paying them, what you will loose if you are paying them for 1 month without even billing, maximum your profit after TAX may slightly comedown, worse is the share value may come down, but in the 2nd or atleast 3rd month they will get you much more returns.
I sugeest this to all great HR team please use your skills contructively for the sake of a life atleast.
I also wish to communicate who curse the HR team & Companies, please note that nothing is free in the world, will you give something free for a longer time to your own cousins / Neighbors, then how do you all expect they company has to take care of you just becuase they hired you.
if you are not giving returns I assure you if they keep paying say 100s / 1000s of employees from whom they are not able to take the returns, they will be like other US companies (Bankruptcy)is this what you want? and as a consequence that company can not sustain their financials forget about the Profit / Share Value, they will start making Loss if they do not bill you more than 35 - 40 days, they also pay you that huge. let us try to understand and respect each other first.
in some of the comments I have seen by the so called ex - employees, is this the way to express?, now are you not harassing the Team HR / Top Managemet, by comenting in 3rd degree language, will they not decide to throw their life because of your harrasements, by then will you all go and extend help to their families?
it is really non sense and all of us have enjoed the facilities whien we have served the comapnies, like pick up drop, food at Subsidised price with all other aminities in the premises, ofcourse we have enjoyed all becuase of our SKILLS.
My deep condolence, to the family members, friends and the relatives of Mr. Vishal Yadav and Vikas Kumar Sharma
NAGARAJAN S replied to: WouldLike2BAnonymous
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
88: Dear Sir,
Don't worry, bad comments here are generalized and no body will commit suicide reading them. Yes some nice manager and HR will feel bad. And I must correct your stat, companies bill at least 10 times more money than what they pay to employee. There will be always 600% profit for billed person after considering all expenses and taxes. The problem is these companies recruit a lot of people for bigger expansion. And roll back equally fast way if something like recession happens. This is not a good practice even by management book, this practice is purely due to greed.
Don't worry, bad comments here are generalized and no body will commit suicide reading them. Yes some nice manager and HR will feel bad. And I must correct your stat, companies bill at least 10 times more money than what they pay to employee. There will be always 600% profit for billed person after considering all expenses and taxes. The problem is these companies recruit a lot of people for bigger expansion. And roll back equally fast way if something like recession happens. This is not a good practice even by management book, this practice is purely due to greed.
WouldLike2BAnonymous replied to: NAGARAJAN S
post - 31 Aug, 2009
post - 31 Aug, 2009
89: It would be better if the companies practice
the same values they preach to the junior
employees.Prime example of this double
standard is TCS,WIPRO,INFOSYS and the rest of
the indian sweat shops owners and their
association. If this had happened in US these
guys would have been cooling their heals in
prison instead of continuing preacing their
non existant values on prime time television
jairaj replied to: NAGARAJAN S
post - 29 Aug, 2009
post - 29 Aug, 2009
90: One thing i would like to tell as an ex -
wipro employee is that,
Wipro treats emplyees as use and throw tissue papers.
second thing there are no professionals in this company\'s senior management,
the real fact is that wipro has provided all its employees profiles to some consultency and has requested the list of emplyees whom it should layoff soon, according to few norms.
According to the list of employees provided by this consultency , wipro is planing to lay off them with all dirty tricks.
Though I resigned wipro, two years ago ,I have seen the kind of torture the red taged managers providing,
I have seen many managers who are roaming with beautifull girls without considering them as their reportees and without giving them any assignments.
In wipro performance was not the matter for termination, But the fact is that Red Tag/Green Tag managers play hell lot of politics.example I have seen so many tamilian managers taking only tamilians into their teams ,cisco ODC is one for example .these managers speak only their mother toungue language even during training sessions and team meetings.If by chance resource team forces to take some good talented person for these kind of teams,then managers and other team memebrs unite and srew the new joinee and then they lay off.It is very dangerous to join his company
third fact, there are so many hidden deductons done in pay.
Beyond PF they deduct gratuity amount and pension amount too, both of which can not be used by employee in any means,
those who know they do circus and take. But normally resigned employees are not taking this pension fund. and hence wipro retains this pension most of the times withhout paying it to employee at the time of separation.
coming to appraisal,managers do play very very bad politics . The managers set very strong goals and objectives for those whom these managers dont want personally.
I have seen technical managers requesting money from employees for onsite opportunities.
There are so many cases in which a new joinee to the tema goes onsite in one or two days without having any product training and without having any required knowledge of the project,
coming to employee services , For a Bus pass they charge 1450 Rs per month for a dedicated route for specific time ONLY. If employee chosse some other route bus then they charge 500 /- Rs fine. Most of the drivers /bus/route related complaints filed by employees are not at all resolved,
Last but most worst thing, Most of the red tag and green tag managers use very very bad words to toture their reportees. Bugger,Dude etc etc words were becoming very populer in some teams,
For me still I ave doubt whether Premji is aware of it or not,
He can now safely remove the second item of the \"spirit of wipro\" i.e he can remove \"ACT WITH SESITIVITY\" just to keep reality in front of its employees
Few more facts , Wipro uses its integrity policies to just fire the unwanted employeeand not to secure aby thing.
It has fired many 100s employess just by saying "integrity violaton done by you , since you have entered anothr lab without getting access. etc etc
Wipro treats emplyees as use and throw tissue papers.
second thing there are no professionals in this company\'s senior management,
the real fact is that wipro has provided all its employees profiles to some consultency and has requested the list of emplyees whom it should layoff soon, according to few norms.
According to the list of employees provided by this consultency , wipro is planing to lay off them with all dirty tricks.
Though I resigned wipro, two years ago ,I have seen the kind of torture the red taged managers providing,
I have seen many managers who are roaming with beautifull girls without considering them as their reportees and without giving them any assignments.
In wipro performance was not the matter for termination, But the fact is that Red Tag/Green Tag managers play hell lot of politics.example I have seen so many tamilian managers taking only tamilians into their teams ,cisco ODC is one for example .these managers speak only their mother toungue language even during training sessions and team meetings.If by chance resource team forces to take some good talented person for these kind of teams,then managers and other team memebrs unite and srew the new joinee and then they lay off.It is very dangerous to join his company
third fact, there are so many hidden deductons done in pay.
Beyond PF they deduct gratuity amount and pension amount too, both of which can not be used by employee in any means,
those who know they do circus and take. But normally resigned employees are not taking this pension fund. and hence wipro retains this pension most of the times withhout paying it to employee at the time of separation.
coming to appraisal,managers do play very very bad politics . The managers set very strong goals and objectives for those whom these managers dont want personally.
I have seen technical managers requesting money from employees for onsite opportunities.
There are so many cases in which a new joinee to the tema goes onsite in one or two days without having any product training and without having any required knowledge of the project,
coming to employee services , For a Bus pass they charge 1450 Rs per month for a dedicated route for specific time ONLY. If employee chosse some other route bus then they charge 500 /- Rs fine. Most of the drivers /bus/route related complaints filed by employees are not at all resolved,
Last but most worst thing, Most of the red tag and green tag managers use very very bad words to toture their reportees. Bugger,Dude etc etc words were becoming very populer in some teams,
For me still I ave doubt whether Premji is aware of it or not,
He can now safely remove the second item of the \"spirit of wipro\" i.e he can remove \"ACT WITH SESITIVITY\" just to keep reality in front of its employees
Few more facts , Wipro uses its integrity policies to just fire the unwanted employeeand not to secure aby thing.
It has fired many 100s employess just by saying "integrity violaton done by you , since you have entered anothr lab without getting access. etc etc
Posted by: Frustoo - 28 Aug, 2009
91:Frustoo, I completely agree with you
regarding the regional bias on team
formation. Till date, I don't know why
generally Indians from south band together
closely and actively exclude people from west
India for example. Although we live in a
country where society continues to be divided
along lines of caste, religion, language etc,
it is sad that this attitude is also taken
into Professional interaction at Wipro. I'll
give you one example, a couple of years back,
they came for campus recruitment and everyone
could see that they clearly favoured their
"kins from south" first. One fresher woman
was selected, merely after singing a song for
the interviewer at the HR round! But because
they are compelled to hire the minimum
numbers (for company's growth and other
malicious reasons), they took on a number of
people from other states. I am glad I wasn't
selected for Wipro...would surely have been a
victim of the red and green tagged managers.
It's good that such views are brought up in the open and potential employees looking to work in hese companies get to know clearly what they might end up getting into. For the managers, I request them to be more sensitive to their reportees IRRESPECTIVE of from where they come from. They are actually just engineers put into a management position. Some are grossly incompetent and cause trouble for those who are competent.
Hiring community over merit will fail in the long run...sacrificing diversity will reap negative dividends...recession has finally brought out the darker sides of India's IT story...and a pair of tragic deaths have opened some eyes...
It's good that such views are brought up in the open and potential employees looking to work in hese companies get to know clearly what they might end up getting into. For the managers, I request them to be more sensitive to their reportees IRRESPECTIVE of from where they come from. They are actually just engineers put into a management position. Some are grossly incompetent and cause trouble for those who are competent.
Hiring community over merit will fail in the long run...sacrificing diversity will reap negative dividends...recession has finally brought out the darker sides of India's IT story...and a pair of tragic deaths have opened some eyes...
dsouza replied to: Frustoo
post - 29 Aug, 2009
post - 29 Aug, 2009
92: please can someone change the picture - its
so disrespectful to their memories.
Vishal was a great guy and will be sorely missed.
Vishal was a great guy and will be sorely missed.
Posted by: Sad Day - 28 Aug, 2009
93:My name is manoj Chauhan and . Let me
introduce my self first - I am an Civil
Engineer and have been working in Bangalore
for the past 3 years in the field of
Construction
But apart from that i also run my own business part time for the past 1 1/2 years which we run from home in spare time . I just wanted to check if you keep your eyes open to making more money and doing something on the side along with your job. In case you are open to some new ideas, I would like to meet you for an hour or so and show you how we work and we could take it forward from there.
Do let me know if you are open and we could fix a time and place to meet. Also, if you could pass me your contact nos. we can talk directly on the phone. You could also call me at 09730040526
The only way to be successful is have some thing of ur own........we have lot of people Building it in spare Time Now they dont worry......if they r sacked....cos they r financial free people just like u & me.........dont worry have faith...........
Best wishes,
manoj
But apart from that i also run my own business part time for the past 1 1/2 years which we run from home in spare time . I just wanted to check if you keep your eyes open to making more money and doing something on the side along with your job. In case you are open to some new ideas, I would like to meet you for an hour or so and show you how we work and we could take it forward from there.
Do let me know if you are open and we could fix a time and place to meet. Also, if you could pass me your contact nos. we can talk directly on the phone. You could also call me at 09730040526
The only way to be successful is have some thing of ur own........we have lot of people Building it in spare Time Now they dont worry......if they r sacked....cos they r financial free people just like u & me.........dont worry have faith...........
Best wishes,
manoj
manoj replied to: Sad Day
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
94: Hi manoj
m salil srivastava my no. is 09381355354 please contact me regarding own business.
m salil srivastava my no. is 09381355354 please contact me regarding own business.
salil replied to: manoj
post - 29 Aug, 2009
post - 29 Aug, 2009
95: There is a strong rumor doing the rounds in
Wipro security circles that a suicide note
with names of some Wipro employees who forced
Vishal to take this extreme step is missing
from the evidence list.
Knowing Wipro and its crooked management, I would not discount this as a conspiracy theory.
R.I.P Vishal
Knowing Wipro and its crooked management, I would not discount this as a conspiracy theory.
R.I.P Vishal
Posted by: Ajith B - 28 Aug, 2009
96: I am a wipro employee..
I m really feeling bad about him..
and I do feel. wipro may be responsible for it.
the HR's are like that.. THEY do harras people. they DO.
May his soul be at peace.
I m really feeling bad about him..
and I do feel. wipro may be responsible for it.
the HR's are like that.. THEY do harras people. they DO.
May his soul be at peace.
Posted by: deep - 28 Aug, 2009
98: Wipro management has blood on their hands. At
the bare minimum, the managers and HR
responsible should immediately be arrested
for questioning before they devise ways to
escape arrest and dilute evidences.
My brother is a Wipro'ite (still) and I can confirm that Wipro is notorious for putting immense pressure on employees to resign and they've been doing it unchecked for the last 2 quarters at least. If the employee doesn't resign, they threaten to be blacklist them in NASSCOM NSR which affects future employability. The amount of people thrown out by Wipro (Forced Resignation) in the false pretext of performance is a mind boggling 24,000 and counting.
It is high time that this company be thoroughly screened for its so-called people policies. So much for a company going by the motto "Act with Sensitivity".
My brother is a Wipro'ite (still) and I can confirm that Wipro is notorious for putting immense pressure on employees to resign and they've been doing it unchecked for the last 2 quarters at least. If the employee doesn't resign, they threaten to be blacklist them in NASSCOM NSR which affects future employability. The amount of people thrown out by Wipro (Forced Resignation) in the false pretext of performance is a mind boggling 24,000 and counting.
It is high time that this company be thoroughly screened for its so-called people policies. So much for a company going by the motto "Act with Sensitivity".
Posted by: Good Samaritan - 28 Aug, 2009
99: Suicide is only one side of the issue here.
Other side is how will the company officials
deal with the Indian police apparatus. A
simple questioning by the police constables
and SHO can lead to more suicides by the
company officials. Just words like thoo, nee
etc. by the uncouth policemen can either lead
them to commit suicide or get them
hospitalised with hysteria or nervous
breakdown.
To put is simply, a customer query to any of the BPO organisations which can be acted on from inside the company staff will be well handled, but then if it has to deal with the outside India, including the government apparatus, things dont get done fast and effectively. Clear answer refuse to come.
To put is simply, a customer query to any of the BPO organisations which can be acted on from inside the company staff will be well handled, but then if it has to deal with the outside India, including the government apparatus, things dont get done fast and effectively. Clear answer refuse to come.
Posted by: Ved from Victoria Institutions - 28 Aug, 2009
100: if ur given a rose remember it has its thorns
at de bottom..
Posted by: pinky - 28 Aug, 2009
101: this is crab, one is asked to put their
papers down coz the company is unable to have
them any more. This could be due to the
employees performance or lack of job. If one
does not find a job in one company there is
no need to commit a sucide, they can look for
alternatives. Today too there are too many
opportunities prevailing in the market if one
is regardless to position or pay......
Someone who is actually qualified for a job,
why should he or she be fired.. comitting
sucide is actually a dumb fools job.
Posted by: Praveen - 28 Aug, 2009
102:Praveen u r right with the logic, but let me
tell u one thing u can't feel the pain unless
and until u r pinched. so before giving any
kind of generalized statement plz think it
empathetically. OK
sam replied to: Praveen
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
103:Stop talking bullshit ! Vishal was my cousin
and he was very talented, guys like u curse
anyone without actually knowing their mental
condition before they actually decided to
commit suicide ! No one knows wht made a
cheerful guy like Vishal to commit suicide.
Anshul replied to: Praveen
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
104:Hello, I think you are unaware of the facts.
If you got to any big IT organizations, you
would come to know that only performance does
not matter in continuing in the organization.
samya replied to: Praveen
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
105: @ Samya
"If you got to any big IT organizations, you would come to know that only performance does not matter in continuing in the organization."
What are the other attributes needed to stay in the organization other than performance?
"If you got to any big IT organizations, you would come to know that only performance does not matter in continuing in the organization."
What are the other attributes needed to stay in the organization other than performance?
Arvind K.Pandey replied to: samya
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
106: Boot licking is the main criteria in any of
the Indian sweat shops and also you have to
be part of the main grouping.. this could be
tamilian,gulti, mallu,kannadiga,
marati,iit,iim,nit or any other nonsense....
jairaj replied to: Arvind K.Pandey
post - 29 Aug, 2009
post - 29 Aug, 2009
107: I totally agree with praveen. Why would
someone do suicide just because company fires
you. If that will be the case we would have
heard of thousands of suicides in recent
months.
Siddharth replied to: Arvind K.Pandey
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
108: Better to kill that person who is frastating
you, instead doing suicide. Other wise that
person will again suck the blood of others.
Sudeep replied to: Siddharth
post - 29 Aug, 2009
post - 29 Aug, 2009
109: Interestingly,
I heard that VISHAL was on enrichment.
It seems that VISHAL had a meeting with the HR on that day. Don't know though.
Well Someone was asking why would he commit suicide ?
I would go for the answer PURE FRUSTRATION. If he had family problems, he wont come to our tower and wait till 10:30 to jump from the 9th floor.
Wipro is synonymous for Employee harassment and bad politics. these top b@stards who dont even know what work you do, would frustrate you to the extreme.
Few example would be,
When you are leaving after a days hefty work, your manager comes to you and asks "Hey you are leaving now ? Have you completed the work ? "..... "ohh ok, maybe I didnt check my mails"
Another one
You have implemented some new features in the tool, got clients appreciation and thus won the confidence, at the time of appraisal your manager would write like this
"His performance on the work was acceptable / satisfactory. you could come up with more ideas / approaches."
Another one.
"see mr xyz, for reasons beyond control, I wish to say that you will have to leave this project. However you have two months time, and i personally suggest you start searching elsewhere"
Still frustrating.
"I came to your desk and you were not there, you are always in the restroom"
Now you must be thinking about complaining to the HR, well, there is the real fun. Comments like, "you should have communicated with your manager on this." "Why didnt you get clarity on this", "Let me go thru it again and I will get back to you"
finally the HR would say
"see mr V things cant be undone right now and its the decision from the top management that you....."
Have I made myself clear or do you want more reasons for frustrations.
The WHOLE SYSTEM is a joke...... have any one tried feed back on appraisal ?
Mywipro >> My forum >> survey >> survey bank >> appraisal 2009 ? there is no submit button there are filthy questions with multiple choice answers and for all the questions, you can select only answer to one question, you choose the next answer and the previous answer selected is removed.
Do you think that no one has noticed this silly bug ? Its just that no one is there to ask.
There was no mail regarding this death nothing.
Azim premji is aware of all this, but he is busy minting money for himself, thinking more ways to increase business, buying profitable firms. he doesnt care.
I heard that VISHAL was on enrichment.
It seems that VISHAL had a meeting with the HR on that day. Don't know though.
Well Someone was asking why would he commit suicide ?
I would go for the answer PURE FRUSTRATION. If he had family problems, he wont come to our tower and wait till 10:30 to jump from the 9th floor.
Wipro is synonymous for Employee harassment and bad politics. these top b@stards who dont even know what work you do, would frustrate you to the extreme.
Few example would be,
When you are leaving after a days hefty work, your manager comes to you and asks "Hey you are leaving now ? Have you completed the work ? "..... "ohh ok, maybe I didnt check my mails"
Another one
You have implemented some new features in the tool, got clients appreciation and thus won the confidence, at the time of appraisal your manager would write like this
"His performance on the work was acceptable / satisfactory. you could come up with more ideas / approaches."
Another one.
"see mr xyz, for reasons beyond control, I wish to say that you will have to leave this project. However you have two months time, and i personally suggest you start searching elsewhere"
Still frustrating.
"I came to your desk and you were not there, you are always in the restroom"
Now you must be thinking about complaining to the HR, well, there is the real fun. Comments like, "you should have communicated with your manager on this." "Why didnt you get clarity on this", "Let me go thru it again and I will get back to you"
finally the HR would say
"see mr V things cant be undone right now and its the decision from the top management that you....."
Have I made myself clear or do you want more reasons for frustrations.
The WHOLE SYSTEM is a joke...... have any one tried feed back on appraisal ?
Mywipro >> My forum >> survey >> survey bank >> appraisal 2009 ? there is no submit button there are filthy questions with multiple choice answers and for all the questions, you can select only answer to one question, you choose the next answer and the previous answer selected is removed.
Do you think that no one has noticed this silly bug ? Its just that no one is there to ask.
There was no mail regarding this death nothing.
Azim premji is aware of all this, but he is busy minting money for himself, thinking more ways to increase business, buying profitable firms. he doesnt care.
unknown replied to: Siddharth
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
110: Even the police has to enquire the company
about the people who was dead during their
work due to Heart Attacks.
Posted by: ExWiproEmployee - 28 Aug, 2009
111:Is the Indian Labor commissioner listning to
this
Corporations exist for profit and also for human nuture They teach this in first chapter of an MBA
Harassment by HR sadistic boss ( which are in plenty IN IT ) in many cases leads to person losing control of his professional life and losing personal life too.
Is your HR sadistic trust me your RM has to have a hand in glove in this
But Premzi is sure to put this under the carpet too. The dollar man and now his dollar son too
Corporations exist for profit and also for human nuture They teach this in first chapter of an MBA
Harassment by HR sadistic boss ( which are in plenty IN IT ) in many cases leads to person losing control of his professional life and losing personal life too.
Is your HR sadistic trust me your RM has to have a hand in glove in this
But Premzi is sure to put this under the carpet too. The dollar man and now his dollar son too
Annonimus replied to: ExWiproEmployee
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
112: Furthering my comment, I'll state an incident
of mine that would portray the insensitivity
of HR people.
While quitting my previous job, during my exit interview (which is supposed to be taken as a feedback for company's improvement), I was asked, why I was quitting.
The HR guy was not listening to my answers to any of his questions and kept saying 'OK...Good' to all my answers. When I said that the reason for my quitting was that I have to relocate to Mumbai, because my mother is not keeping well, he mechanically said 'OK...Good'.
I got up from my seat and left after telling him that there was no point in continuing this further.
So much for CONSTUCTIVE CRITICISM.
While quitting my previous job, during my exit interview (which is supposed to be taken as a feedback for company's improvement), I was asked, why I was quitting.
The HR guy was not listening to my answers to any of his questions and kept saying 'OK...Good' to all my answers. When I said that the reason for my quitting was that I have to relocate to Mumbai, because my mother is not keeping well, he mechanically said 'OK...Good'.
I got up from my seat and left after telling him that there was no point in continuing this further.
So much for CONSTUCTIVE CRITICISM.
Posted by: Arijit Chatterjee - 28 Aug, 2009
113: Dude, this is a common misconception people
have, that if we commit suicide, our nominees
will get the insurance benfits. This is not
the case, since death by suicide voids the
insurance agreement and nobody will get any
money. Death by suicide is not covered.
The incident that has occurred is not just sad, but symbolises the fact that Human Resources treat us employees only as resources and not humans. If HR personnel, did their jobs as they should, things could have been better. Instead they work for the upper management and keep screwing the very employees they were supposed to help.
I can relate to this personally, as a similar incident had happened in my company, in the very project that I had been working on. All the company did was hush up the whole incident.
If the main motive of a company was only to make profit, then the methods employed by the 'D-Company' become legitimate, as even the gangsters work for profits. However, the way in which they make profits is by dishonorable means, by extortion, using peoples fears. A legitimate company's motto should be to make profit, but in an 'Honorable Manner'.
I think all IT and ITES employees must be given the right to union by the government and have the personnel department instead of HR.
All in all-Shame on all you HR folks, for letting this happen- DO YOUR JOBS
The incident that has occurred is not just sad, but symbolises the fact that Human Resources treat us employees only as resources and not humans. If HR personnel, did their jobs as they should, things could have been better. Instead they work for the upper management and keep screwing the very employees they were supposed to help.
I can relate to this personally, as a similar incident had happened in my company, in the very project that I had been working on. All the company did was hush up the whole incident.
If the main motive of a company was only to make profit, then the methods employed by the 'D-Company' become legitimate, as even the gangsters work for profits. However, the way in which they make profits is by dishonorable means, by extortion, using peoples fears. A legitimate company's motto should be to make profit, but in an 'Honorable Manner'.
I think all IT and ITES employees must be given the right to union by the government and have the personnel department instead of HR.
All in all-Shame on all you HR folks, for letting this happen- DO YOUR JOBS
Posted by: Arijit Chatterjee - 28 Aug, 2009
114:do you have any common sense...a guy at 26
dies to get his insurance money for his
family....you are a nut..without brain
venkat replied to: Arijit Chatterjee
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
115:buddy after 1 year of insurance suicide is
covered.
it has been ruled by sc that suicide cannot be planned.
it has been ruled by sc that suicide cannot be planned.
onkarkiran replied to: Arijit Chatterjee
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
116: hey comon guys whts d use of blaming each
other instead of acting seriosly....
Posted by: Ravi - 28 Aug, 2009
117: Well this is a shocking incident. i think
going to the court is a solution apart from
that we should think about viable solution
among IT Professionals like manufacturing or
any industry has unions which protect the
interests of employees there should be
something for Information technology so that
the so called MNCS dont use manpower as
tissue papers.
Posted by: srikanth - 28 Aug, 2009
118:HI Srikanth,
your's is good IDEA.
We should have UNION for Software ppl.
your's is good IDEA.
We should have UNION for Software ppl.
sri replied to: srikanth
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
119: Sure, we should have UNION not for only
software but for all other professionals also
against to nonsense HR policies.
Sudeep replied to: sri
post - 29 Aug, 2009
post - 29 Aug, 2009
120: IT has already matured. More IT Engineeers
will die. The situation is worsening day by
day. Problem is money, no family support, no
govt. support, no company support. Now, Govt
employees will commit suicide so that their
kids will get govt. job. Suicide is not a
solution. But companies cannot employ more
people and they look at profit.
Posted by: ajish kumar - 28 Aug, 2009
121: HRs in few companies,PM in few companies
&PeMs in IBM thinks they are paying for
the employee and employees should put
(Buttering activities)ching&cha..they
makes all the mistakes and they blames
employees when their predictions dont
turn..ther merely play Local politics..
Posted by: Madhu - 28 Aug, 2009
122:Well said
The idiots are feeling like they are paying employees salaries from their pockets, Unfortunately everybody is realizing only when a tragic event happens like this. Why don't you respond to your saddist bosses everyday the manner today you are responding here. In fact I know people working 24X7. Can't you question yourself, whether it is really necessary to work like that. You do have your personal lives. Go and enjoy happily. Learn from your Europian counterparts.
The idiots are feeling like they are paying employees salaries from their pockets, Unfortunately everybody is realizing only when a tragic event happens like this. Why don't you respond to your saddist bosses everyday the manner today you are responding here. In fact I know people working 24X7. Can't you question yourself, whether it is really necessary to work like that. You do have your personal lives. Go and enjoy happily. Learn from your Europian counterparts.
Puvvu replied to: Madhu
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
123: Who knows whether these people were forced to
quit?
Wipro has a program called ENRICHMENT PROGRAM wherein the employ is told take leave for a bulk amount of days.
Even these IT companies have a policy of making employ resign forcefully since there is no projects coming in due to recession. These use and throw kind of TISSUE PAPER CULTURE should be checked and stopped by the GOVT: OF INIDA
Wipro has a program called ENRICHMENT PROGRAM wherein the employ is told take leave for a bulk amount of days.
Even these IT companies have a policy of making employ resign forcefully since there is no projects coming in due to recession. These use and throw kind of TISSUE PAPER CULTURE should be checked and stopped by the GOVT: OF INIDA
Posted by: Prabul Kanth - 28 Aug, 2009
124:The Govt of India is a lame duck govt. It is
allowing these penny wise and pound foolish
IT companies do operate in China, a Highly
Growing economy which has also been declared
as a MAJOR military threat for India, and
politically is already fighting for some of
our states
Our blood-sucking companies already have a mandate of moving about 35% work to China to start with.. They can only think of doing the same cheap work in cheaper way, rather than moving towards more high-end services where they can actually bill more to clients..
Thanks to the mentality of the companies and government, India is clearly heading to be a suicidal nation We might as well, sell ourselves off to China
Our blood-sucking companies already have a mandate of moving about 35% work to China to start with.. They can only think of doing the same cheap work in cheaper way, rather than moving towards more high-end services where they can actually bill more to clients..
Thanks to the mentality of the companies and government, India is clearly heading to be a suicidal nation We might as well, sell ourselves off to China
India - Suicidal Country replied to: Prabul Kanth
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
125: Why do you earn so much of money when you are
not living. What you will do with your money
if you are not alive.
Dont bother about IT companies, they are paying and screwing... Come and join Politics ... Politica need IT people also for the better ment of party
Dont bother about IT companies, they are paying and screwing... Come and join Politics ... Politica need IT people also for the better ment of party
chandan replied to: India - Suicidal Country
post - 29 Aug, 2009
post - 29 Aug, 2009
126:Yes AZIM PREMJI KILLS ANOTHER PERSON.
This should be the headline in the news paper, rather than that Fxxxing axxhole judging ET NOW Quiz contests
This should be the headline in the news paper, rather than that Fxxxing axxhole judging ET NOW Quiz contests
animesh saxena replied to: Prabul Kanth
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
127: Suicide is not at all solution.The company
hired us because we have got skill.They
simply using and throwing away when they dont
need.Wipro is worse in this case.Even the
work in wipro sucks.So guys realize and Try
to start some thing new instead of selling
your brainz to some one
Posted by: kiran - 28 Aug, 2009
128:Hi Kiran i agree to you.. but getting out of
the company because of this also not an good
option.. we have to change the peoples
mindset..
harry replied to: kiran
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
129:Yes I am agree with Kiran's point.
Anshul replied to: kiran
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
130: Many people are portraying this poor soul as
a coward. He might have sacrificed himself
for his family. If he died as an employee his
nominee will get the insurance amount. may be
this is why he committed suicide before his
last day in wipro. I am sure wipro will try
it's best to prove that it was a freak
accident and he fell off from the building
and didn't commit suicide. we still have not
got any communication from management about
this incident. this is the humane values from
a company which brags endlessly about human
values, integrity, honest etc. i hate this
place called wipro.
Posted by: wiproite - 28 Aug, 2009
131:but what he could have earned if he is alive,
please not to comment like this.
and don't you know while taking a call to join WIPRO, and now you stated that you hate WIPRO, which pays you till today, and if you are not happy in any form, why don't you quit and join elsewhere, wher you feel like to work....
and don't you know while taking a call to join WIPRO, and now you stated that you hate WIPRO, which pays you till today, and if you are not happy in any form, why don't you quit and join elsewhere, wher you feel like to work....
NAGARAJAN S replied to: wiproite
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
132: Guys
Love your job but dont love your Company because you may not know when your company stops loving you.
It is true that this feels like insulting and we should take action against it... but what if a person working in that company leaves the job for better package when the project is in critical state... there is no such action against that employee.. in fact the employee smiles and lets everyone know how did he get a other job...and in this who is benefited... the EMPLOYEE
so if company is taking this step for their benefit then y to point the finger..
on other side, the companys biggest Asset are their Employees but still some company dont know about the value of Employees what they are looking for is just the Balance card and not the Feelings...
Love your job but dont love your Company because you may not know when your company stops loving you.
It is true that this feels like insulting and we should take action against it... but what if a person working in that company leaves the job for better package when the project is in critical state... there is no such action against that employee.. in fact the employee smiles and lets everyone know how did he get a other job...and in this who is benefited... the EMPLOYEE
so if company is taking this step for their benefit then y to point the finger..
on other side, the companys biggest Asset are their Employees but still some company dont know about the value of Employees what they are looking for is just the Balance card and not the Feelings...
Posted by: Swapnil Hedau - 28 Aug, 2009
133: Hi,
I can see tempers flaring and people are taking out their frustration on people who are not connected with what has happened. My sympathies are with Siva. I would like to take the example of Manufacturing industries. They deal with blue collared workers day in and day out. They have a grievance cell with an Independent Ombudsman who is the decisive authority on majority of cases. If the employee is not satisfied with the decision of ombudsman, then he can challenge this decision in a labor court. No point in blaming the CEO or the management. We are like the race horses who have flaps beside their eyes to avoid distractions. We being educated don't know our rights and the law of the land which can help us in crisis. We are cowards who run away from crisis and end up dead. So educate your self. Nobody will step over you if you have the right knowledge. Our freedom struggle is a striking example of the power of knowledge. Our freedom fighters were no "aam aadmi". They were all well educated and our constitution is proof of it. Today if recession did not have its full effect in India, it is because of the foundation that had been laid then. So, Jago India Jago.
I can see tempers flaring and people are taking out their frustration on people who are not connected with what has happened. My sympathies are with Siva. I would like to take the example of Manufacturing industries. They deal with blue collared workers day in and day out. They have a grievance cell with an Independent Ombudsman who is the decisive authority on majority of cases. If the employee is not satisfied with the decision of ombudsman, then he can challenge this decision in a labor court. No point in blaming the CEO or the management. We are like the race horses who have flaps beside their eyes to avoid distractions. We being educated don't know our rights and the law of the land which can help us in crisis. We are cowards who run away from crisis and end up dead. So educate your self. Nobody will step over you if you have the right knowledge. Our freedom struggle is a striking example of the power of knowledge. Our freedom fighters were no "aam aadmi". They were all well educated and our constitution is proof of it. Today if recession did not have its full effect in India, it is because of the foundation that had been laid then. So, Jago India Jago.
Posted by: Manoj Bajpe - 27 Aug, 2009
134: Dear frnd, dont take such a harsh action.we
people are well qulified an experienced
enough to get a good job. why should we beg
before WIPRO, INFOSYS, HCL and other rather
they should beg.... why not we will think to
start some thing own where we can employ few
people in a amicable environment.
Posted by: Brajesh - 27 Aug, 2009
135:i m satisfy with brijesh reply
dharmveer singh choudhary replied to: Brajesh
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
136: Of course suicide is not the solution....I
would request everyone to go to the court if
the face any type of harassment from company
officials
Posted by: Rakesh - 27 Aug, 2009
137: Who knows whether these people were forced to
quit?
Wipro has a program called ENRICHMENT PROGRAM wherein the employ is told take leave for a bulk amount of days.
Even these IT companies have a policy of making employ resign forcefully since there is no projects coming in due to recession. These use and throw kind of TISSUE PAPER CULTURE should be checked and stopped by the GOVT: OF INIDA
Wipro has a program called ENRICHMENT PROGRAM wherein the employ is told take leave for a bulk amount of days.
Even these IT companies have a policy of making employ resign forcefully since there is no projects coming in due to recession. These use and throw kind of TISSUE PAPER CULTURE should be checked and stopped by the GOVT: OF INIDA
Posted by: Prabul Kanth - 27 Aug, 2009
138: CRAP! why the hell you are using such a photo
for this post?
whoever posted this photo with this news should be a sadist for sure!
whoever posted this photo with this news should be a sadist for sure!
Posted by: aravind - 27 Aug, 2009
139: The Human Resource and Project Managers are
involved in this suicide attempt. They might
be threaten him to quit the job.
So Government should take necessary action against these kind of harassment from higher officials.
So Government should take necessary action against these kind of harassment from higher officials.
Posted by: GJN - 27 Aug, 2009
141:Since I have been closely associated with
wipro for last 4 years I do have an inkling
on whats brewing at all levels of
Managements.
An incident like this shakes us all, It's a time for introspection for us for our values, Is mindless pursuit of operating margin a worthy ideal over human lifes, whats more precious 2 percentage points of opm or one human life,
Also for dramatization lets change the life in question here to Azim's son Rishabh and Tariq.
I know I am being dramatic, but its only these extremes which force us to come out with workable solutions.
Also my only essence here is why are we being budhist and consuming the violence within ourselves by directing within, I am not sure but rather then killing oneself we can contemplate a western ethos of directing the voilence within ourselves out side , we can always kill the HR and the TM's who force us into such a state.
mind you for every one suicide case we have over a 1000 depression cases with lifes shattered.
pls note the thoughts here are not to instigate or provoke, they are here to create effective detterents to the powers that be.
An incident like this shakes us all, It's a time for introspection for us for our values, Is mindless pursuit of operating margin a worthy ideal over human lifes, whats more precious 2 percentage points of opm or one human life,
Also for dramatization lets change the life in question here to Azim's son Rishabh and Tariq.
I know I am being dramatic, but its only these extremes which force us to come out with workable solutions.
Also my only essence here is why are we being budhist and consuming the violence within ourselves by directing within, I am not sure but rather then killing oneself we can contemplate a western ethos of directing the voilence within ourselves out side , we can always kill the HR and the TM's who force us into such a state.
mind you for every one suicide case we have over a 1000 depression cases with lifes shattered.
pls note the thoughts here are not to instigate or provoke, they are here to create effective detterents to the powers that be.
RAJ replied to: GJN
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
142: Having gone through the posts of most of the
people, I am struck by the frequency with
which people are pointing fingers at others.
Rarely do you hold yourself responsible for
your actions and behaviour. It is easy to
shout against and blame CEOs, HR heads and
Managers, as if they are aliens. Please
remember, just like Saas bhi kabhi bahu thi,
Manager bhi kabhi junior tha! Some day, you
will also be responsible for business units
and profitable performance, and you will need
to take tough decisions about people.
Tough times visit every one and every company. Be tough internally to withstand the pressure. Don't try and sensationalize things even before you know all the details. The same guys who jumped to their deaths might also commit suicide if a girl refuses to go out on a date with them!
Grow up, guys! Also it might be a good idea to learn how to communicate clearly and accurately in the language you have chosen to communicate in. Most of the posts I have seen here are pathetically written. :-(
I know many of you are going to start abusing me for what I am saying here. That is the first response you are used to, I think.
All said and done, I am still pained at the deaths reported.
Tough times visit every one and every company. Be tough internally to withstand the pressure. Don't try and sensationalize things even before you know all the details. The same guys who jumped to their deaths might also commit suicide if a girl refuses to go out on a date with them!
Grow up, guys! Also it might be a good idea to learn how to communicate clearly and accurately in the language you have chosen to communicate in. Most of the posts I have seen here are pathetically written. :-(
I know many of you are going to start abusing me for what I am saying here. That is the first response you are used to, I think.
All said and done, I am still pained at the deaths reported.
Pramod replied to: RAJ
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
143: Pramod, Such cases are increasing day by
day.
What will u tell about these numbers.
What will u tell about these numbers.
Sudeep replied to: Pramod
post - 29 Aug, 2009
post - 29 Aug, 2009
144: hi Pramod, I am there with your points, let
anybody curse me
many of the people posted their comments in 3rd degree language, and they yell at team HR / Team Top Management.
all the employees / ex - employees are in beleif that they has to get their salary month on month, even if they have no tasks to do, simply becuase the company hired them
many of the people posted their comments in 3rd degree language, and they yell at team HR / Team Top Management.
all the employees / ex - employees are in beleif that they has to get their salary month on month, even if they have no tasks to do, simply becuase the company hired them
NAGARAJAN S replied to: Pramod
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
145: I dont want to be diplomatic here. But its
really understandable why people are being
sacked out and also we can imagine what
extent the person has suffered that he/she
commits suicide. But one thing i would
suggest is if we are confident enough we
should not fear such decisions taken by the
company. Suicide is just a way to runaway
from ourselves and does not good to ones
family in particular. We should definetly
believe in ourselves and stand up to the
challenge and prove that we as employee can
be the best coming out of the worst case
scenarios. You have been in a top major IT
company itself means that you were one of the
best. Why do you fear going out to face
another challenge.. Its easier said than done
but that was just my thoughts on the topic.
Posted by: Fashai - 27 Aug, 2009
146:your thoughts is very good. thanks fashai
pillai replied to: Fashai
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
147: Where did you people gone when the same
persons doing GOOD for you.
Posted by: Siva - 27 Aug, 2009
148:siva, who has paid u - wipro or hcl? why r u
trying to defend illegal actions of these
companies. These companies r powerful enough
to cover-up all illegal activities happening
inside. this is why we don't see any negative
news in print media. fortunately, internet is
more democratic. thx to siliconindia.
wiprosucks replied to: Siva
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
149: Dear Friends
This happens to all sector employees. But the depression is more high in IT because of their previous benefits. So instead of blaming companies we must EDUCATE the employees to face frustration and depression. Have to arrange rejuvenation centres to give treatments to mentally harassed persons.
This happens to all sector employees. But the depression is more high in IT because of their previous benefits. So instead of blaming companies we must EDUCATE the employees to face frustration and depression. Have to arrange rejuvenation centres to give treatments to mentally harassed persons.
Posted by: Siva - 27 Aug, 2009
150:Will you be quiet siva . Looks like you can't
see the dust under the red carpet or
literally you want to hide it.
Truth has a bad face and you have to face it
Truth has a bad face and you have to face it
HRhater replied to: Siva
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
151: Arresst the CEOS of these companies ,
managers and HR people, the police should
lock these compnies .
Posted by: rajesh - 27 Aug, 2009
152:OK, areest and put all of them behind
bars.Good and Fine, then who will get you
porjets, and where will you work, Rajesh,
don't be emptional, already people are
emptional, just think apply your mind and
logical skills, don't just throw your
comments.
it is so sad that we have lost 2 engineers, but we keep critisze this, it will get induce into 200 enigneers, that they have not been taken care, and just to threat the higher ups thay will do non sense, no one thinks that they are being paid enough while they work, if there is no work for longer period how your company will pay you, from their pocket? they have invested a lot and running the companies which has emplyeed and apying 1000s of people. are you not with me.
it is so sad that we have lost 2 engineers, but we keep critisze this, it will get induce into 200 enigneers, that they have not been taken care, and just to threat the higher ups thay will do non sense, no one thinks that they are being paid enough while they work, if there is no work for longer period how your company will pay you, from their pocket? they have invested a lot and running the companies which has emplyeed and apying 1000s of people. are you not with me.
NAGARAJAN S replied to: rajesh
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
153:Hi Rajesh,
before blaming to companies,just replace to ur self as employer then u can understand the reailty a person who make Wipro/TCS/HCL/SATYAM they r also like u (simple common man) why u not try do the same.
before blaming to companies,just replace to ur self as employer then u can understand the reailty a person who make Wipro/TCS/HCL/SATYAM they r also like u (simple common man) why u not try do the same.
satyanaam Bajpai replied to: rajesh
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
154:this is too bad at one side judegement. you
know in future may be the same CEO & HR
may be forced to do this if they are not
strong mentally. because company is looking
only figures[profits] not persons. when they
get profit they gave many benefits when it
got down persons also will get affected. we
must accept this. even it is hard ITS TRUE.
Siva replied to: rajesh
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
155:rajesh dnt make any general statements,what
the hell do you know about the incident and
you are saying to arrest CEO etc etc if so
where will the thousands of employees go F k
you with your statement
ramakrishna replied to: rajesh
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
156: Buddy, it appears as if u know abt the
incident, are u a wiproite !
Anshul Yadav replied to: ramakrishna
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
157: Hi Anshul Yadav, am not a wiproite neither I
work for HCL, but I vouch Mr. Ramakrishna. he
has a thought process, and I suppose you have
not thought thro' what after the arrest of
the HR CXO's. who will run the company, and
how will they get you the projects and where
will you work / use your skills and earn
Money for yourself and Family.
Nagarajan S replied to: Anshul Yadav
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
158: Yes, it is true now a days company's are
looking for these causes. It happened with me
as well, I was with HCL, and company normally
send their employees to their different
locations for temporary work. I was sacked on
the same cause, and bruatally insulted by
Prem, HR GM, located at Sector 51. And, asked
me to go out else the security throw me out.
I lietrally had same feeling, because
behaviour was so insulting, it was
untoreable, as I was staying with my family,
I just been taken care off.
Posted by: Nitin Sarna - 27 Aug, 2009
159:Something odd about your story, you're saying
you were fired because you were working in a
different office? It leaves several questions
unanswered. why dint you escalate the issue?
cool dude replied to: Nitin Sarna
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
160: I think Indian government should take severe
action on this. this type cases were
happening only in IT industry. Indian
government should have strict rules on
harrassment for the IT companies so that this
will not happen in future.
-Tamilan
-Tamilan
Posted by: Ganesh - 27 Aug, 2009
161: Very sad to hear this incident and why
peoples commit suicide for this silly waste
companies?do they think job is more than
life?.The IT companies should be dealt with
firm hands coz of their attitude serveral
peoples are getting mentally tortured even i
am also in IT industry i don't think we
should do this kind of things for the sake of
our job.If you belive in yourself then go for
search you willd efinitely get good job else
search for govt jobs.This wipro and HCL are
like begging companies they don't know the
humar values first a legal case should be
filed against these companies and govt should
assure the peoples that these things should
not happen.
Posted by: tRuE iNdIaN - 27 Aug, 2009
162:very well said. why only blame wipro and hcl,
i bet you you get more brutually treated if
you had worked in some foreign mission or
firang company.actually, all this must make
one a braver and strong person, all indians
must meditate to take them out of such
situations and combat.
has happened to me twice,it mostly happens to people who are very true and faithful, becoz someone elses personal and professional interets get effected in the hierarchy,
so why cry and commit suicide.
Yes, all of us cannot fight cases for the system is so that we will become old.
Last but not the least, we can form association and lets not be one sided.
Lets follow Ram Dev Ji Maharaj and Vipassana, and see the true matrix reality, that life is more important, material things come and go. SO DEAR ALL LETS FACE IT AND BECOME HUMANS, THATS WHAT WE ARE, NOT JANAWARS.ALL SYSTEMS OF HRDS FAIL WHEN WE START LOOKING INSIDE US BELIEVE EMPLOEE POWER IS THE MOST IMPORTANT RESOURCE OF THE COMPANY.
has happened to me twice,it mostly happens to people who are very true and faithful, becoz someone elses personal and professional interets get effected in the hierarchy,
so why cry and commit suicide.
Yes, all of us cannot fight cases for the system is so that we will become old.
Last but not the least, we can form association and lets not be one sided.
Lets follow Ram Dev Ji Maharaj and Vipassana, and see the true matrix reality, that life is more important, material things come and go. SO DEAR ALL LETS FACE IT AND BECOME HUMANS, THATS WHAT WE ARE, NOT JANAWARS.ALL SYSTEMS OF HRDS FAIL WHEN WE START LOOKING INSIDE US BELIEVE EMPLOEE POWER IS THE MOST IMPORTANT RESOURCE OF THE COMPANY.
Madhu replied to: tRuE iNdIaN
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
163: We must not take this type of decession. One
generation is leader of incoming generation.
Human beings are followers. To do this we ere
not giving good message to incoming
generation. We have to make us comfertable
and peacefull in any circumstances. New
generation take thier decission in hurryup.
We have to believe on ourselves and trust in
almighty GOD.
Posted by: SURESH JOSHI - 27 Aug, 2009
164: Dear friend
Don't go for permanent solutions for temporary problems...!
We are responsible for doing lot of things to our nation and our family.
If u need guidence pls send mail to me... we will solve the problem
Thanks & Regards
Lenin
Don't go for permanent solutions for temporary problems...!
We are responsible for doing lot of things to our nation and our family.
If u need guidence pls send mail to me... we will solve the problem
Thanks & Regards
Lenin
Posted by: Ernesto Che Guvera - 27 Aug, 2009
165:It a good advice "permanent solution for temp
probs"..
fjxt6q replied to: Ernesto Che Guvera
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
166:Hey Ernesto Che Guvera are not you still
tired after fighting in bolivia and so many
other countries.
LPS replied to: Ernesto Che Guvera
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
167: Difinetly, a right authority should be
regulated for these type of incidents, if it
happens in a manufacturing side all
authorities like Inspector of Factories,
Labour dept. even ministry of HR & Labour
will probe the plants, but WHY IT INDUSTRY
CAN NOT, WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR TO CONTROL
THE IT COMPANIES ? "SOME WHAT A RED ALERT TO
IT COMPANIES TO TREAT THEIR EMPLOYEES AS
ATLEAST EMPLOYEES"
Posted by: Srinivasan - 27 Aug, 2009
168:True very true,
There are no guidelines for IT industry, the HR Department and the Bosses think that they are on top of the world and they can do whatever they wish, nobody ever questions their decisions. It is high time that there should be a controller and a regulator for IT companies who will safeguard rights of employees.
There are no guidelines for IT industry, the HR Department and the Bosses think that they are on top of the world and they can do whatever they wish, nobody ever questions their decisions. It is high time that there should be a controller and a regulator for IT companies who will safeguard rights of employees.
Kumar replied to: Srinivasan
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
169: These Indian "LALA" Based Companies are dumb
asses .. either HCL or Wipro or TCS... They
Always want their profits , I literally hate
all of them ... they send you to various
locations just as IT "Majdoors" and make good
money with respect to your hard work ... its
oblivious if they don't have any contract
then why will "LALA" will feed you or they
Dont Feed you as your requirement.They always
play with foreign laws that is the only
reason most of indian IT Companies are
getting black listed throughout the world
ricky replied to: Kumar
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
170: well said Ricky
I agree with you 100%.
I agree with you 100%.
matkah replied to: ricky
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
171: Friends, I am a IT fresher,in search of job
in IT industry.
I am really very afraid that if the senior pepole are facing such a problems, what will be my situtation?
I just want to suggest that please do not repeat these things bcoz nothing is important than yourself.
I am really very afraid that if the senior pepole are facing such a problems, what will be my situtation?
I just want to suggest that please do not repeat these things bcoz nothing is important than yourself.
Anuja Kulkarni replied to: Kumar
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
172: You should not depend on somebody elses
behaviour to control your emotions.One should
know who you are. This can help one to stand
up to any pressure.
George replied to: Anuja Kulkarni
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
173: I will say don't believe on the blues of IT
Companies .. it will make you old before your
age because of tension & pressure . They
Just Want Their Profits and After that they
will share peanuts with you.We Indians are
only taking 20% of Salary if you compare with
US People .. However we are doing the same
work with more efforts and efficiency.
Shobhit replied to: Anuja Kulkarni
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
174: Wipro says his last working date was 31
August, but they can not say Vishal was not a
wipro employee when he died. His manager was
Ranganath Veerabhadra Swamy, and Kiran
Hariyadi also with Navin kajmankar and GM
Manjunath force him for sucide. Another
BA(Consultant) Bharat Naryan working at Wall
st for Bank of New York Account,New York is
missing from Wipro. I suspect he is also no
more
wiproite replied to: Anuja Kulkarni
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
175: Guys, all these names are very familiar to
me, i worked with Vishal when he was onsite
till last year... He was from well
established family and i personally know
him... This is most drastic and sadistic step
i can't even think of being knowing
Vishal.... He was a fun loving guy, and i
suppose Managers have put lots of pressure
forcing him to take such action.
Wiproite replied to: wiproite
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
176: This is all because of poor management
practices by illiterate managers churned out
from so many 3rd class management colleges
around the country.
These bloody managers don't know business principles at all
coz they haven't learned anything from their colleges.They are just unemployable.They talk about ethics,moral values and la bla bla while interviewing the candidate while having crap filled in their own brains.
These bloody managers don't know business principles at all
coz they haven't learned anything from their colleges.They are just unemployable.They talk about ethics,moral values and la bla bla while interviewing the candidate while having crap filled in their own brains.
archer replied to: wiproite
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
177:guys,
we are verymuch paining about those guys.
Plz, first dnt tense, analyze your self for surviving for these recession periods. plan yourself even ur fired and unemployed for couple of months.because your family is important. if ur trying any wrong, directly ur family effected.try for another jobs. because INDIAN IT comp..MEAN NOT ONLY WIPRO,HCL...etc. if ur talent dnt go for that company. try for others. enhance your skills, become as a multitasker. think recession is war, u have to survive for ur family. otherwise change the job path. angry,tension,frustration etc.. will not give any positive results.plz if any one of ur friend or colleague facing job related problems, just help him instead of giving advices, try to solve problems.
we are verymuch paining about those guys.
Plz, first dnt tense, analyze your self for surviving for these recession periods. plan yourself even ur fired and unemployed for couple of months.because your family is important. if ur trying any wrong, directly ur family effected.try for another jobs. because INDIAN IT comp..MEAN NOT ONLY WIPRO,HCL...etc. if ur talent dnt go for that company. try for others. enhance your skills, become as a multitasker. think recession is war, u have to survive for ur family. otherwise change the job path. angry,tension,frustration etc.. will not give any positive results.plz if any one of ur friend or colleague facing job related problems, just help him instead of giving advices, try to solve problems.
shaik replied to: archer
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
178: I really feel sorry for Vishal . I Request
police authorities to take necessary actions
against these companies
Ex Wiproite replied to: shaik
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
180: You were right same thing happens with me in
th Espire Mohan Cooperative new delhi they
haressed me and forced me to give resign ,
reson i know very well i did work for last 4
years in differents project and when apprasal
time because company lost that project they
want some employees which are sinor then me
will not loose the job so they told me
because u r not billing and u did all free
work for the client so pls give us ur
resignation we will help u in future growth
now you can understand what a policy of the
company and employees who is junior can never
win they always forced to give resign to save
project leaders and PM and also they take all
the work credit .
Vikas replied to: Ex Wiproite
post - 19 Jan, 2010
post - 19 Jan, 2010
182: i think NASSCOM shoulD blacklist WIPRO
aMIT replied to: shaik
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
184: Know your True Value! (Read & Forward
Please)
A well-known speaker started off his seminar by holding up a 500 $ note. In the room of 200 Peoples,
He asked, "Who would like this 500 $ note?"
Hands started going up..
He said, "I am going to give this note to one of you but first let me do this."
He proceeded to crumple the note up.
He then asked, "Who still wants it?"
Still the hands were up in the air.
"Well," he replied, "What if I do this?"
And he dropped it on the ground and started to grind it into the floor with his shoe. He picked it up, now all crumpled and dirty.
"Now who still wants it?"
Still the hands went into the air.
"My friends, you have all learned a very valuable lesson.
No matter what I did to the money.
You still wanted it because it did not decrease in value. It was still worth 500 $/-.
Many times in our lives, we are dropped, crumpled, and ground into the dirt by the decisions we make and the circumstances that come our way. We feel as though we are worthless.
But no matter what has happened or what will happen.
Never lose your value.
You are special. Don't ever forget it! Never let yesterday's disappointments overshadow tomorrow's dreams.
"VALUE HAS A VALUE ONLY IF ITS VALUE IS VALUED"
A well-known speaker started off his seminar by holding up a 500 $ note. In the room of 200 Peoples,
He asked, "Who would like this 500 $ note?"
Hands started going up..
He said, "I am going to give this note to one of you but first let me do this."
He proceeded to crumple the note up.
He then asked, "Who still wants it?"
Still the hands were up in the air.
"Well," he replied, "What if I do this?"
And he dropped it on the ground and started to grind it into the floor with his shoe. He picked it up, now all crumpled and dirty.
"Now who still wants it?"
Still the hands went into the air.
"My friends, you have all learned a very valuable lesson.
No matter what I did to the money.
You still wanted it because it did not decrease in value. It was still worth 500 $/-.
Many times in our lives, we are dropped, crumpled, and ground into the dirt by the decisions we make and the circumstances that come our way. We feel as though we are worthless.
But no matter what has happened or what will happen.
Never lose your value.
You are special. Don't ever forget it! Never let yesterday's disappointments overshadow tomorrow's dreams.
"VALUE HAS A VALUE ONLY IF ITS VALUE IS VALUED"
Ravi replied to: aMIT
post - 29 Aug, 2009
post - 29 Aug, 2009
185: the bastards so called managers should be
brought to the justice. these idiots are
feeling that they are managers by birth.
babbu replied to: aMIT
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
186: Lot of hue and cry are being raised when
something goes wrong but unfortunately the
truth will be suppressed Hype craeted by the
IT and the ego kills these soft techies as
they have not seen the larger side of the
world.It is an individual case and as long
these are happy employers there was no
observation on the company and only after the
killing of the comapny This is too bad and
not expected of from softies.fat salary and
best of the working conditions and now these
techies talk rubbish on being asked to leave
UNFAIR TOTALLY
Sudarshan replied to: aMIT
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
187: being weak and unsupporting side from case
of bikash kumar sharma i assert to those for
reveal in mean to solv the mystry of murder
of Bikash if he have done sucide then how and
in which cercuimstances only by your help it
can be solve mail me appropreate price will
be gave u.
Posted by: ajit kumar - 14 Feb, 2010
188: Dear Pradnesh,
Why you are seeking job here? This will not help you buddy unless you are very lucky. You should go directly to companies' site and apply under career :-D
All the best.
Why you are seeking job here? This will not help you buddy unless you are very lucky. You should go directly to companies' site and apply under career :-D
All the best.
WouldLike2BAnonymous replied to: pradnesh
post - 31 Aug, 2009
post - 31 Aug, 2009
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