1: HR can never be Harrasing Resources ! See HR is a vast department n it includes many policies & procedures which the hr employees have to take care before taking any decision. The strategies which are formulated are need to be implemented or applied for the betterment of ofcourse the organisation. So the statement that we will get back to you, definetly means that they are looking forward to the anticipated growth n goals to be achieved for the organisation itself. The negative approach towards this must be changed to a possitive one n ofcourse keep the fact in your heart that the good pastures are waiting for you.

thanks
Ms. Daman

Posted by: damanpreet kaur - 15 Jan, 2010

2: HR operates in a much functional manner than described above. It is all about process orientation and improvement. And its not a fortnight but a gradual process that leads to success. So guys start taking it more seriously.

Posted by: Aditi Wadhwa - 15 Dec, 2009

3:M SORRY, BUT THE REALITY IS HR PERSONNEL NEVER TELL THE TRUTH AND THEY SIMPLY MAKE THINGS MORE COMPLEX

 GOURAV replied to: Aditi Wadhwa 
 post - 21 Dec, 2009

4: Hi Gaurav,

If you see, HR department is very optimistic. In case of "we will get back to you" line, this is keeping the future opportunities in mind where they can consider your profile. There are other faces of HR department also which people outside dont get to see.Also, HRD is bounded by processes from the senior management which they have to follow. Something that top management can not convey to the employees/prospective employees directly, is routed through HRD. Thats the reason why most of the time you hear negative announcement from this group. Though, all the positive announcement will be from top management directly.

give it a thought.

Thanks
Ankur

 Ankur replied to:  GOURAV 
 post - 01 Jan, 2010

5: though I believe that the message should be clear even in case if your profile is not among the shortlist.

 Ankur  replied to: Ankur 
 post - 01 Jan, 2010

6: ankur, if its replied to us in the direct way for example, if the candidate is not even shortlisted, n he is provided with feedback that you are not shortlisted, will definetly embarrass him n never know it may lead him to some negative thoughts n even may inculcate some boredom in him. This way lead him to stress n demotivation. I feel its ok if any candidate is held up by saying that we will get back to you or by any other words. Atleast this will lead him with positive attitude.

thanks
damanpreet kaur

 daman replied to: Ankur 
 post - 15 Jan, 2010

7: the funny thing is that when it is am employee referral, the employee is asked to bear the brunt! "Hey you, pass it on!"

 Ram Chari replied to:  GOURAV 
 post - 21 Dec, 2009

8: HR today has started playing a very strategic and very influential roles in large organisations where every thing is very systematically planned and process driven . TO make HR work genuinely it can come from the strong convictions and core values of the top management

Posted by: kalpana - 14 Dec, 2009

9: I would expect HR to be more transparent, unbiased and replete with people who are down to earth. The innovative and catchy wording is only to assuage the ruffled feeling of the participant in a recruitment drive. There is every need to have more human face in this department. Jayasimha Raghavan

Posted by: JAYASIMHA RAGHAVAN - 14 Dec, 2009

10:I think one key challenge is "balancing the act". There is always an element of humiliation in the "reject" message that a recruiter needs to deliver. There is no perfect way to do that all the time. This sometimes results in "mixed" messaging, which is better than silence on most occasions.

 Ram Chari replied to: JAYASIMHA RAGHAVAN 
 post - 21 Dec, 2009

11: I say that when an organisation (especially) uses the 3rd line and it is hiding something else from me, the HR here, definitely stands for 'Harassing Resources' or any other expansion that suits the above quoted words.

Posted by: Abhi - 14 Dec, 2009

12: Dear all
I don't agree that HR are making bridge between employer and employee. Yes some HR charges excess amount from employee it is not fare.

Posted by: Bijay Kumar - 13 Dec, 2009

13: fantastic reading, it took almost an hour to complete all the comments.

Posted by: Kchetry - 13 Dec, 2009

14: Besides all the said statement a unique corruption which is started in the HR system (specially in hiring freshers) is maligning their image. The system goes like this.
1. Company pays some money to HR Consultants
2. Many HRConsultancies aso charge from the candidates
3. In order to increase their chance they start bribing the HR exectives. (Something like we will pay you back the ammount your comany pays and plus Rs.1000 on every candidate).
4. Now an HR execctive has to hire say 50 exectives. If out of 50 he chooses 40 from these consultants. He will get more than 1.5 lacs. Such hiring happens every week. Now u calculate.
5. Fair selection goes to only 20%
6. The problem is -> bigger the company, higher the applicants are ready to pay and that is the reason this corruption is increasing in bigger and more recognised companies.
7. The worst part is top rated companie are paying to consultants and stil reciving inferrior staff because of this practise.

Posted by: Shailendra - 13 Dec, 2009

15: HR will be the first departmnt to receive the CV for process and forward the resource/candidate to required department. Person/top management who interviews will raise unwanted questions that is not pertaining to the post. In real they have to first go through the CV in detail and later interview that candidate. It is in reverse now, they will call the candidates unrelated to that field and later message passed as theyu will come back in short span. HR would have not been updated about the candidates interviewed and that CV is not reviewed again(this is currently happening overall in almost all Indian Companies). Talented Resource goes in the hand of unknowledgeable interviewers and landup in abusing HR. This concludes HR is just a puppet in TOP Management hands. Can TOP Management take a call atleast now

Posted by: Srujana - 13 Dec, 2009

16: The word Human Resource as it is the most strategic and difficult part to understand. But, when it comes to HR resources management and services and in the Technical and Geek sector then a MBA cannot be the solution.
The HR team itself should be framed that have worked technically understanding the basic issues even if the Technical Project Manager or the Engineering Head is biased.

The harassment is prominently done by the Higher Management in the HR who have already a pipeline or create false committments just to have their jobs safe enough and not being fired.

There should be something for them to show to the Top Management

I write this based on an experience about more than a year back during the recession where telephonic interviews were taken to be for fun.
Prosenjit Adhya

Posted by: Prosenjit Adhya - 12 Dec, 2009

17: Hi all,
i agree with you ram but in how many cases it really happens like that.Uptill yet what i have discovered is that HR are the remote controlled puppet in the hand of topmanagement and influential persons holding the higher post.They offer jobs & good perks to the candidate refered by these persons .What if the candidate is not suitable they just do`nt care about it.
Second reflection----------- If you are well educated and deserve the post but have no reccomendation and unfortunately if you are unemployed that time ,they will just treat you like a A.............. ..Offer you very less salary and you are forced to accept that as you have no much options .After making to much benifits to the company and spoling your months of time doing dedecated work to the company if you say them for the hike they will just let you count many HR policies ,rules ,regulations etc. On the other hand the another guy who some how is managing his job but having some jack will get a salary hike in a row.

Posted by: rahul - 12 Dec, 2009

18: HR - Highly Redundant.
Though a management individual myself, HR is powerless in the presence of egoistical and whimsical CEOs et al. They are more like Russian dolls who rock with the orders from top.

Posted by: canta - 12 Dec, 2009

19: Well it seems a lot of time & energy is getting wasted in defining what really constitute HR: In todays context when recession seems to be getting over & market is openning up, we all should agree that real HR meaning is HIRE & RETAIN.

Posted by: SUJIT KUMAR - 12 Dec, 2009

20:such an interesting and appropriate meaning has been given.HR means only HIRE n RETAIN. Companies/HR professionals not only need to Hire employees but they also need to develop its human resources with quality of work-life if companies want to retain them for long time and lesser employee turnover.

 Bhupinder Preet replied to: SUJIT KUMAR 
 post - 16 Dec, 2009

21: 1. HR means Headless Recruiter
2. The Suitable word for HR is--Harassing People.
3. Its really good to name HR -Hardly Required
4. hopeless recruiters......HR
5. HR is short form of Himesh Reshamiya
6. HR people are (H-ighly R-eckless people)
7. HR : humbly reduculus
8. HR.............Kalyug ka Mahabharat
9. HR - "harressing Resource"
10. HR – House of rudeness
11. HR - hog cholera(Meaning : Highly infectious virus disease of swine)

Posted by: abc - 12 Dec, 2009

22:Teri maa da fudda maareya. Teri gallan to aidan lagda ki teri janani chod ditti kisse HR waale ne.

 ABCD replied to: abc 
 post - 12 Dec, 2009

23: i m sure u r n HR

 ABCDF replied to:  ABCD 
 post - 13 Dec, 2009

24: It differ from company to company.But the most roll of HR is very much managed by others employee.

Posted by: Avi - 12 Dec, 2009

25: H.R. : High Risk to any organisation.

Posted by: M.R. Sriprasad - 12 Dec, 2009

26: HR donot just focus on recruitment process. HR is an intregal part and effective for a large company (with various functions) with 100+ employees. With clear-cut plans,forecasts, policies,protocols and procedures, HR department should act with a humane touch focussing on individual and overall development.

Posted by: Humans Respected - 12 Dec, 2009

27: best eg wen amitabh bacchan went for Interview in All India Rado, we all knw wat happ, he was nt selected, HR guys, do u need ny other EG, i hv so many. plz comment on it i will show it 2 u den

Posted by: akshat - 12 Dec, 2009

28: HR itself is a Hired Rascal

Posted by: akshat - 12 Dec, 2009

29: Yes, I accept this article. needless to say that HR people wasting time of a candidate by saying words like "We will get back to you" and "We call you later".. So these words make a candidate puzzled.. Should he wait? or Should he go for another job interview?. So Be clear with candidate.

Posted by: Sathik - 11 Dec, 2009

30: What are you trying to convey? No message here !

Posted by: girish - 10 Dec, 2009

31: Pretty humorous I should say. The article definitely could have helped a few of my friends. I do believe that the entire decision of recruiting a candidate is not vested in the HR and they merely act as an interface between the higher management and the candidate but in certain situations like these when a HR already knows that a candidate is not selected it is better not to keep the aspirant in the dark and wondering that he will get a joining. The HR should be very clear in stating that he/she is not selected at this moment but can again try later. In doing what they are doing they are only earning a bad name to the profession as well as to the company.

Posted by: Espee - 10 Dec, 2009

32: Blaming HR only for recruiting is not acceptable at all.

The Roll of HR is not only recruiting but also

•Workforce planning
•Induction, Orientation and On boarding
•Skills management
•Training and development
•Personnel administration
•Compensation in wage or salary
•Time management
•Travel management (sometimes assigned to a/cing rather than HR)
•Payroll (sometimes assigned to a/cing rather than HR)
•Employee benefits administration
•Personnel cost planning
•Performance appraisal

Some of the above task can also be outsourced.

While Recruiting, a person has to go through many steps, which are performed by various departments. It depends on the interview panel whom to select & after that HR comes into the picture.

HR is the most IMP asset of organization.....

Posted by: Priti Shivsharan - 10 Dec, 2009

33:I don't agree on this as for each of roles/responsibilities mentioned above there are specific HR's as far as Corporate companies are concern. I think HR is the only levis job today after Bank Probably Bank executives are more occupied than them during 9 to 5 job.

 Chirag replied to: Priti Shivsharan 
 post - 14 Dec, 2009

34: When we were not into HR, we were used to listen these few words. But now being a human being it is always difficult say "No" or "you are not selected" or "we can't take you" etc. These words give a negative feedback to person’s emotions, ability & expectations. And HR person/VP/GM HR or anybody is not enough to judge a person’s emotional intelligence, capability & ability. It always happens personally/professionally, that we always find less possibility to say NO who is therefore to show you his/her honesty, punctuality, talent etc.

Posted by: Debashis Raj - 10 Dec, 2009

35: I strongly believe the person who wrote this article is very much fed up with HR people. But here want to tell you that it is not only a HR who takes the all decisions.HR acts as an mediator b/w a decision maker and the candidate. And if you take about Ccing the mails to top management( VP/ GM), will also not help out as they have "N" no of mails in hier inbox. It only depends on the interview panel/ hiring manager( Team manager/team lead) who takes the decision on whether the candidate is suitable form his/her team or not, then comes HR role in picture. So please stop blaming only "HR" for everything :)

Good Luck to you

Posted by: Roopali - 10 Dec, 2009

36: To All,
I have been in the industry for over a decade. I do not want to take either sides - HR or Candidates! There could be exceptions on either sides. However, HR should certainly take a note of the below suggestions to improve recruitment process and candidate's experience:
1. Share Job description: Do not schedule/shortlist candidates for interviews without a professionally written Job description from your Hiring manager.I have had experiences where the hiring managers have no clue why they hire. Unfortunately, after clearing 4 technical rounds(over phone with various depts) and 2 F-F interviews with the hiring managers, the candidate is rejected. Reason given by HR: We don't find you suitable to this role or you are overqualified! This frustrates a candidate since the role and Job description is neither provided nor explained before shortlisting the candidate or during the interview process despite being asked!
I have heard it from my own HR friends that many hiring / Hr managers use this method to reduce salaries, diminish the candidates role to show cost savings though the candidate demonstrates potential to perform a bigger role!

As a hiring manager, I do not hire unless I have approvals on funding, fitment , role and designation of the candidate! I provide a documented JD to my HR which helps filter profiles easily. I also personally screen profiles and ask my HR to schedule interviews only with suitable candidates based on each other's convenience. HR has the right to demand every hiring manager to provide meaningful JD's.I meet candidates on time, every time. I do not waste time, if am not serious about hiring!

2. To everyone - HR, candidates and Interview panel: Be on time and schedule F-F discussions only at the time of offer roll-out. These days,we can meet candidates over video conference and roll-out offers over email. Saves time and logistics.

3. To HR: Please give appropriate and specific feedback such as
i. you need to brush up your skills in this area
ii. you are good, but we found a better candidate who suits the role.
iii. your expectations are high. Tell him/her objectivelty where he/she stands in the market according to skill/experience/certifications/qualification ! This will help candidates to do a reality check.

4.Lastly, HR is the most understaffed dept I have ever worked in my career. In some places the ratio is 1: 1000( 1 HR for 1000 employees).Often times, i see HR's not having time for their own learning and training! How are you then going to find time for employees? My observation is that HR's mostly are not metrics driven. Justify your workload and work-life balance by publishing systematic metrics to management to hire more staff in your teams. This will solve all problems and assure your own appraisals.I have even helped my HR's by preparing quick presentations on their problems since they don't have time to prepare. They do return the favour when I need their help to ramp-up/down my teams.

Any more suggestions are welcome!

Posted by: Mani - 09 Dec, 2009

37:hi Mani,

Thank for sharing your experience and suggestions, i appreciate your experience.

Thank you,
Sailaja

 Sailaja replied to: Mani 
 post - 10 Dec, 2009

38: RASCAL IS FINE,BUT THEY ARE NOT ONLY RASCAL,THEY ARE HEINIOUS RASCALS,THESE BASTARDS HAVE NO BRAIN EMBEDDED WITHIN THEIR HEAD.AT THE TIME OF INTERVIEW IT JUST SEEMS
THAT THEY ARE ALL IN ALL IDOITS DONT KNOW ABOUT THE JOB PROFILE TO BE OFFERED AND SIT ON THEIR POTTY SIT AND TAKE THE INTERVIEW.ALWAYS MAKE THE ROUNDABOUT TALK,NOT ANYTHING
WHICH IS GENUININE AND TO BE IMPLEMENTED.BUT ONCE THE APPOINTMENT LETTER IS RECIEVED,THEY ARE JUST LIKE DOGS SITTING IN THE CORRIDOR.
RAVI

 RAVI replied to:  Sailaja 
 post - 12 Jan, 2010

39: Hi sailaja,
Welcome. Appreciate your comments. Best wishes in your role

Mani

 Mani replied to:  Sailaja 
 post - 13 Dec, 2009

40: It Depends on the policy of the organisation.In my total experience (24year)Executive are same but meet in different behaviour in different organisation .

Posted by: M.P.Singh - 09 Dec, 2009

41: Don't ever comment bad regards towards the HR. you will know the importance when you will be in that position. This is the toughest job. Even i am working for marketing i know the value of this branch of management.

Posted by: chetan - 09 Dec, 2009

42:Chetan,

You are lucky to have a good exp. but 99.9% have bad experiences.It is impossible to deny that the article is not true. Manupilation or misinterpreted offer letters(when it comes to hidden clauses) to the amount of time wasted which leads to long hours of wait for candidates in recruitment to the troubles faced by employees on exit is purely due to the arrogance and incompetency of HR depts. I myself have faced several such situations in my previous interviews..and after the recruit the golden candidate, there are 99% chances he will be not fit for the job. Improper communication of results and misbehaviour is a common outlook of HR's of companies based in India.

 vinu replied to: chetan 
 post - 09 Dec, 2009

43: Dear All,
First of All, I believe the Article mentioned above is only mentioning the "Recruitment & Selection" (Only ONE of many Functions of HR) rather than the whole human resources.... The core issue with HR is that there job is intangible “a service”, with NO physical Job completion Product ... Like an Engineer or a Sales Man ... That is why the Job is often misunderstood...
Today in the Era of Tough Competition, Resource Scarcity, Low Profitability, & Economic Recession ... NO company can afford over staffing under the name of any thing .... & if the TOP MANAGEMENT like most of U thinks below .... HR is an Expense (Which actually is not), then the very next day u ppl... would see NO MORE HR Guyz .... :((
& Then God knows, who will make ur Salaries & Appraisals & would allow U avail Leaves & send & Pay for Ur trainings … & If u assign all these to some other Person … The moment u create the Demon again….
I believe the mis management of HRM is directly a grievance of ourselves i.e. WE r affected directely…., that’s why we r so much frustrated on them .... But for a moment if One analyze that what are the Good Things & tension free life in office we have all b’coz of A damn Useless, worthless Deptt…. I think the perception would change…
Every day loads of Positions go vacant & if any one of U come to know the NOs. of Resumes received ... (& U can’t even think about it ) .... To give a step by step feed back to ever one looks bit unrealistic....
Have u ever heard the QULAITY dilemma ... "Even if u acheive 99.99 % Quality but the one who receives the 0.01 % of Defect .... Consider the quality is worst for the whole 100%"

Posted by: Nabeel Huda - 08 Dec, 2009

44: Hi,
To all respondent,

Its not so bad response by mix of professional, pro & anti HR in the forum.

I humbly request to HR professional pl restraint in such sort of mandate.

Since siliconindia put it on top let the professional of all corner & branch of industry must send there comment and make this profession of HR from middlemen Job to central job.

Its pitty that a few undertake middlemen Job.

I request to aprofessional pl do take HR at your work place when you deal with your employees so that Hr remain busy for employee welfare, motivation, grooming, and career planning.

More the conflict more the confusion.

Love to see some more response in India at least 1 lac than I may realise that really HR doing great Job as a HR in India, as all they are dealing negative of Human being.

Regards
VS

Posted by: Vijay S Pundir - 08 Dec, 2009

45: let the respective HR to do their job!search urself and be confident and ready to work according to them.in short dont give them a chanch to use such words or comments!tckre n all di best!

Posted by: prashant malviya - 08 Dec, 2009

46: I think Silicon did it right but do silicon taking any step for such kind of activities/actions doing by an HR in an organization. So that I candidate will take a sigh of relief either positive or negative....

Posted by: Tanmay Chaturvedi - 08 Dec, 2009

47:ITs not only for a candidate, as anything related to business associated with this so called HR is a tedius one. Most of the BD professionals must have faced this, none of the calls will get connected to them....if its for a cold call most of the time they wont be in the seat. No mails will get answer. Fixed calles, minimum have to wait for 2 - 3 hrs.
Reasons:
1. Busy in Discussion / Meeting:
Real fact: chatting with collegues or busy in cafteria.
2. Holding another call:
Real fact: chatting with collegues or busy in cafteria.
3. Not in the seat:
Real fact: chatting with collegues or busy in cafteria.
Facts being the same and reasons are different....Mostly come to office by 11 and leave by 5. A Waste Resource in any organisation.

 devan replied to: Tanmay Chaturvedi 
 post - 08 Dec, 2009

48: This article is absolutely about true instances and the way HR proffs performed their duties. The biggest problem with HR is they don't remember that they are supposed to support production/technology staff not to rule/mamange them, what they very usually and intentionaly do.

Posted by: kapil gupta - 08 Dec, 2009

49:Everything mentioned over sounds real,except then not evaluating the practical circumstances,Its not fault of the silicon India who has published this article but with out going to depth of current economy slowdown,Organisational culture and the mgmt involment in decission making .

Why to blame HR when get such answers like get back to u or its on hold or sometimes mgmt is not there to take a decision.

Let me tell you people who had heared this answers this is true to 80% since HR in every company is not a sole decision maker,there r many other people involves in taking deccission regarding selection of a candidate mostly in case where there r many talented candiadtes for less no of vacancy and here it comes the preference part whom to take why to take.

Here I can give a best Example,now-a -days when we go for shopping particularly in recession,we mostly do window shopping roaming around malls wasting time of sales exceuctive asking all features about any product and finally not taking or telling ok we'll see later.

Here nobody thinks whoes time they wasted.Their own with the poor sales person standing and waiting for a customer to fullfil his target to get some performance incentive.

I hope this is done by all the so called people who has given all these feedbacks for HR.This example was given only to say when market is so big and many varities are available its customer decission to take or drop out.Hope this example is enough to explain y HR replies that way.

If that is also not enoug let me explain abt other professional talk about IT,we have a perception that they are only the hard worker but the reality is not every time true.They goes to off 11 open their gmail,face book,orcut and somany other social cite and their days starts with all chatting,showing the online option busy as if they r busy in some project,where in actual its busy for nothing.That is even not enough for them.HR has to arrange outing since they r getting too much work pressure ( Chatting pressure)and tehy have to be awarded as best performer .Are yaar any body can be a best performer in chatting or in face book.But this poor HR who will slugg to get nice candidates,will waste time and money in arranging training & developmental activities for them and end wot is the result.These highly talented IT professinal palying sollitatires.

SO NOW I PUT FORTH THIS QUESTION TO ALL THOSE WHO HAS COMMENTS ON HR PROFESSIONAL. TELL ME NOW WHO ARE THE HARRASHING REASOURCES ?

 Suchitra pattnaik replied to: kapil gupta 
 post - 08 Dec, 2009

50: Excellent..is the word..
The article adresses the critical issue with a touch of humor to it.
All of us at some point of time must have received such feebacks from the HR in a manner which is best explained through your article..

Posted by: Ajit - 08 Dec, 2009

51: Brilliant Article! The truth couldn't have been put in a better way....The HRs(probably excluding the Top HRs) are the most useless ppl around....They are the biggest liability on a company doing nothing and earning a lot...In my 2 yrs of wrk ex I realized it everyday.Instead of they firing engineers, they are the ones who should be thrown out at the earliest

Posted by: Roy - 08 Dec, 2009

52:Mr. Roy

How about putting you in HR and letting you work with 100s of ppl who like you are cribbing and weeping all the time about things not done? You are yet to see what HR can do to your career. I pity HR guys coz they have to/will have to deal with resources like you. All the best. Hope some day you will come across some really good HR people who will show you what HR is worth and hope that day you will stop crying about HR.

 Meenu replied to: Roy 
 post - 09 Dec, 2009

53: hi all
i have just jooined u, the statement that HR persons are paid far nothing its wrong bcz this is the only cost incurring post far any org.they r the backbone of any org. bcz they bring d person in org. and tell them their role. they do this not to disappoint an individual

Posted by: krishna awasthi - 07 Dec, 2009

54: I've been reading Silicon India's newsletters for quite some time now and haven't had any major complaints with it so far. It does a good job of consolidating and picking news from different sources and provides a convenient place to read it all.

But I must admit that this particular article disappointed me. It stereotypes an entire area of work, an area quite critical to any organization, and does so in a childish and immature language.

I would expect the articles published here to be more balanced and informative and not simply those targeted at triggering big discussion, just to garner some popularity.

Posted by: Satya - 07 Dec, 2009

55:Hello all

Iam also a regularly reading articles in Silicon, this is the one of the best article i have read, and this is what happening all over. thumps up for Silicon

 Mohan replied to: Satya 
 post - 07 Dec, 2009

56:Satya, for this type of experiences you should go and give the interview as a candidate, then you must be realized that each and every line of this article is true. Ant body can write a book of these kinds of incidents that HR persons do with the candidates. I think you are one them... and this articles pulling the feelings out from you...

 Robin replied to: Satya 
 post - 07 Dec, 2009

57: To my knowledge....HR ppl are the ones who are paid for doing nothing...they just do the job of Centre management...Nowadays they started harassing ppl also....this is a nice article at right time....atleast seeing the comment like this, HR's shud rethink their ideologies....

Posted by: minor - 07 Dec, 2009

58:Hi Minor,

Your name suggests how micro your level of thinking is, do you have any idea on the perspective of HR for a whole organisation , if you are a techcie or any other domain you either deal with system or data, but HR deal with human beings & keep in mind every human being is different.

I am not saying HR is the greatest work in an organisation , but i am pretty sure we strive & work hard as every other domain does.

 Manoj U S replied to: minor 
 post - 08 Dec, 2009

59:I don't agree. Though HR professional are doing many jobs he never appriciated. His job is thankless job. He is a bridge between employee & employer. Stop making such statement that the are paid for nothing.

 vijay gohil replied to: minor 
 post - 07 Dec, 2009

60:Hey no offence but i would rather like to correct you over here"HR ppl are the ones who are paid for doing nothing",its not true because if you are been interviewed you have just spent 15 to 20 mins with HR and i guess in that fractions of minutes you can never judge someones work,Let us take in a broader way if you are working in a firm,let me remind you that it would be an HR who informed you about this job,it would be an HR who have interviewed you,it would be an HR who have given may be your first offerletter and you have given him thanks,it would be an HR who process your salary and save your leaves when it is wrongly marked by your operation team(TL TC..)..So i think that what ever we are been paid is justified..wat say

 Chirag Gamit replied to: minor 
 post - 07 Dec, 2009

61: 251 comments...I guess (offendent) HR are the most free people...in offices....

Posted by: abk - 07 Dec, 2009

62: Hi all,

A nice article to discuss on, I agree to what dilip says. I work for a Recruitment firm with some of the Top MNC has our client, Many a times it so happens we talk to a aspirant for a particular job opening so many times starting from initial screening to shortlisting to the offer acceptance. that it becomes hard to for anybody to inform them if they are rejected after the Technical or the final round of interview, May be that is the reason usually HRs don't inform the aspirant if the feedback is negative, instead they say "we shall get back to u, Manager approval is pending etc, position on hold". But we must understand the aspirant position as well and behave in a professional way, by giving the proper feedback if posible also give the reason for the rejection, so that they can look work on that and will be helpful in their future interview process .

Lets not play with others professional career.

Posted by: Shankari Lokesh - 07 Dec, 2009

63: Hi all,
In all organisations and companies, HR dept is for hiring and recuitment,welfare and development of employes.But unfortunately the dept in most companies is found to be lavishing on companies resources and is a burden.

In my organisation,people come for interview in morning and stay back hearing rubbish reasons from the managers till late nights.And once I made a point to ask my freind who is in HR dept that why actually are the people asked to wait so long,she replied me:They always check your patience.Then i asked her what if they lose an eligible candidate,she again replied to me saying in a land of crores,if one is gone we will get another with more talent,so gone is gone thats it.

After that i realised there is no matter in wasting our official time in attending interviews.

Posted by: iturhs - 07 Dec, 2009

64: According to me HR means Headless Recruiter. I know most of the HR position hold women who don't know what to do till end of life. HR must be confident about what she is looking for. She has no idea how to perform desired task to get desired result.

Posted by: Vishal - 07 Dec, 2009

65:Is it ?Then y mothers r women y can't they be even guys?I mean women have high qualities like caring,thy have respect for values and building capability either its home or a big organisation..so organisation even need a caring person since resources in any companies are not machineries they r human beings.

More specifying women only know wot to do next,Why to think upto the end of life when its uncertain.Lets all guys waste time in thinking wot to to do.

 Suchitra  replied to: Vishal 
 post - 08 Dec, 2009

66: My perception of HR is not too good. The perception will not come by reading books or articles, it should come by you own experience. I have experienced a lot and wanted to give 100% marks to the above articles. It is an eye-opener for the management if they come across this article.
Nowadays…most of the company is hiring young girls for the HR position.. who does not have working experience for even one month. How the hiring is been done? It is based on Knowldege, People handling skill, response skill, Human management skill not at all.. This is on beauty to showcase high-class working culture. Their responses are so bad that you will really believe that they are from Harassing resources not from Human resources.

Posted by: Sanjay - 07 Dec, 2009

67: its so true..i dont understand wat it takes to learn all this words..

Posted by: sandhya - 07 Dec, 2009

68:hey sandhya..!
u r a kind of ma girl..even i think the same..dat learn only the things which should b clear and understandable to one n all.....!regards!

 prashant replied to: sandhya 
 post - 08 Dec, 2009

69:Hi What is true ?

 Karthic replied to: sandhya 
 post - 08 Dec, 2009

70: I believe that our perception of HR, that is "Human Resource" is coloured by our own experience.

HR is not entirely to be blamed since the entire organization is the HR Department. We need to understand who and what we mean by HR (beside the joke).

I also believe that there are a lot of HR professionals who can testify to the important role that HR had played and continue to play in the success of their organizations.

Some of the questions we need to ask are: "What is the HR policy of the organizations?", "What role does the top management want HR to play?", "What training are required to make HR people more relevant to the organization's plan?", "What are the HR strategies that the organization must adopt?", "How can the organization link the HR objectives to the accomplishment of the organization's business objectives?", and so on, and so forth.

HR is only as important as the organization wants it to be.

Posted by: P Raphael Claudius - 07 Dec, 2009

71: I dont know whether managers or HR is to blame for this, but I wonder why they are willing to consider you for every location, except your home town ?

Posted by: Ram - 06 Dec, 2009

72:For a simple reason that the local person knows the attitude, culture and the local HR consultants. He is also aware of the local HR regulations though its mostly uniform. Also the resources of the HR person are locally placed.

 Ramandeep Sidhu replied to: Ram 
 post - 07 Dec, 2009

73: What I believe it is not intentionally done by HR. There are several genuine reasons or sudden change in management decision as per business demand. What required is HR shouldn’t keep hanging the thing …. have to convey the decision fast and with valid reason .But same time candidate shouldn’t be very reactive and ready to absorb if decision is not in favor.

Posted by: Ram  - 06 Dec, 2009

74: Oh! I find it a good place to share our frustation on the HR ppl. Well apart from joke, I had to face the HR disaster at Hyundai. These ppl called me up for the interview 2-3 times, took my detailed interview and finally gave a confirmation that u'v been selected for the job. They sent me my offer letter and proposed salary on e-mail and asked me to send a confirmation on it. I agreed. Although it was not a fascinating package but i agreed for a thought that it should be a good company to work with. After I sent my confirmation, there was no revert from their side for 10 days. When I called them up askin about the joining date & other formalities, they told me that i was wrongly proposed that salary as they'll only count my work experience after PG. So asked me to join on a much salary. What a frustating moment was that! Were they blind before giving the offer letter? And they hardly cared to communicate me about their mistake. I never expected this from a company of their repo. But its a fact. Its a company where they give more importance to theoretical knowledge than the work experience will have these rubbish people as employees only. If this was the starting, m happy i did not had to face more harrasment from them.

Posted by: jaya sawhney - 06 Dec, 2009

75:You must share that email with the highest authority and get that HR person blasted. I have been in HR all along and though this is an uncommon it is considered crime and one could get fired for such a mistake.

 Ramandeep Sidhu replied to: jaya sawhney 
 post - 07 Dec, 2009

76: Two companies which reminds me the pathetic behaviour of HR

They think the candidates coming to interview are slaves, and need to agree to whatever

1. Commerce Velocity, Jayanagar Bangalore:- Here there is a HR Manager by name Seetha Muthukumar. she called me up by looking at my CV in naukri and asked if I can attend a F2F Interview. I was ready, since she mentioned abt MNC, HQ in US. She wanted me to attend the interview on a weekday which I wasnot ready because of my current project deliverables, she gave me multiple time slots on weekdaly I said I am sorry I cant attend, later she got angry and said "If you are looking for job, should should bend your head and come for interview on whatever time slots we have ", I too got angry and disconnected the phone. What a pathetic HR Policy.

2. Osprosys, Airport Road:- This is a pathetic company with no HR policy, they called me for interview at 6 PM in the evening and told me to wait, I waited till 7:45 PM and no response, later she came at 7:50 she said like interview panel is in a meeting, they are not in a position to take the interview. How stupid it is, if they are in meeting, why cant these HRs inform us. We were around 5 members left.

Now I am in a 1000 times better company with better HR policies.

Posted by: Vihari Sharma - 06 Dec, 2009

77:Dear Vihari,
Commerce Velocity HR was absolutely right . By simple logic If you don't have time to attend IV , you are that interested rather just exploring . Why one should waste time for a guy who is not serious. Next if you were that much committed to your project,there was no need to put your CV in Job portal.
Be it you or anyone else playing this dirty game should be treated like this .

 Ganesh Singh replied to: Vihari Sharma 
 post - 07 Dec, 2009

78: Hi Ganesh,

Your mail clearly says you are a HR guy, I saw your profile in linked in anyway. Vihari was right every individual has a self respect. Its not a dirty game, there are many people who wish to change, want to get out of hectic non professional work environment might not find time to get out.

So Let me tell you how my HR handled that, he was most professional guy, he asked me what time I can attend the face to face since no time slot was suitable he arranged a telephonic for me and once I got shortlisted simultaneously I went through the managerial, HR rounds cleared them all and joined.

This is right HR policy and no the one you mentioned, like the HR at CV told "Bend your head ....".

 Saurav Mohanty replied to:  Ganesh Singh 
 post - 07 Dec, 2009

79: Seetha is now Director of Commerce Velocity. Are you looking out for a job there

 AdvantageIndia replied to:  Ganesh Singh 
 post - 07 Dec, 2009

80: Dear AdvantageIndia,
You should use your name rather than your company.

 Ganesh Singh  replied to: AdvantageIndia 
 post - 08 Dec, 2009

81:Hi Vihari, I too aware of these companies, good that you got a better place to work. Never ever join these companies.

 AdvantageIndia replied to: Vihari Sharma 
 post - 06 Dec, 2009

82: Hi Ganesh, Look at the terminology she used, should I bend my head then need to attend. Am I a begger in the street. See if you are into IT and looking for change but cought up with the deliverables, how can you find the time, She shouldnt have used that terminology.

Will you be ready bend your head infront of anybody, its a matter of self respect each and every individual having.

 Vihari Sharma replied to:  Ganesh Singh 
 post - 07 Dec, 2009

83: Hi,

The Suitable word for HR is--Harassing People.
I had a very much bad experience with one of the MNC in Bangalore.I had applied for the IT Position.They had taken 6-7 rounds for this including 4 core technical & 2 for General.At the time of final HR round, they said that you are over qualified. its not suitable for desired profile. We had uploaded your cv for the future openings in our database & wl let u know later.Then i asked to Technical Recruiter firstly who had giving me lame excuses.I asked if my is over qualified then why you have taken so many rounds?
After that i met HR-Head. I had done lot of talk & argus on this.After a long discussion, she said only one bullshit word---SORRY.

Posted by: Rohit Baweja - 06 Dec, 2009

84:Is that MNC is "IBM" or "Yahoo" or "Google".......:-)

 Rajesh replied to: Rohit Baweja 
 post - 06 Dec, 2009

85: Hey, Guys, Its really good to name HR - 'Human Resource' or 'Harassing Resource'Or Hardly Required.I'd work for an MNC ( A Software Company)in Bangalore as a HR person in recruitment field for 3 years, as my exact roll was to screening of resumes as required by company,Call candidates for Tests ( As IQ EQ,& Technical tests) I feel really sorry, as I know, feel sorry but the truth, we'd call a candidate for 15 times to company to have final intraction with the Management and to handover him a appointment letter, You know,our team lead & MD will him for final .... but in vain we always been told that, we are in a urgent meeting call him for next day....so....on with many candidates, you know main fact? Out of 20 candidates,15 will get selected in IQ,EQ Test,they've to wait for final interview with Team Mgr, MD's & HR Mgr, but in vain candidate could not make out anything in time, you some candidates use get another job as well,
And you know, we use make some candidates to hold to get best of best candidates as well, so this all happens in many IT Companies,Well, we can not blame, to a poor HR guy or a girl who calls candidates and conducts test for them,because they for the company and they've talk on behalf of the companies.Therefore, I as I know, Main 'Harassing Resource'Or Hardly Required is only top level management in every step taken by HR with the employees, and they only make them run around month plus, for their releiving letters, experience, leters, final settlement or appointment letters etc.

Well, at last I have personally regret and feel sorry for those all candidates, who have faced these challenges with HR's.I do agree with them how they go through.
Thanks..its really nice artcile to understand specially to the managers & MD's.
regards
bk_dilip@rediffmail.com
Bangalore

Posted by: Dilip - 06 Dec, 2009

86:It's the responsibility of HR to make sure that candidates time not get wasted. You have to convey the message that it is every one's time is precious. Because every one have their plans and HR's are responsible to conduct the interviews on time. Organize them only senior members committed for the schedule. I am sorry to say that your description above shows skipping "BASIC" role of HR.
Hope this helps you make better HR.

 chandra replied to: Dilip 
 post - 07 Dec, 2009

87: I had a bad experience from IBM. The consultancy send my resume to them and they shortlisted mine and called me for the face to face interview. I had took half day leave and went for the interview, they had given me guest pass and asked me to wait in front of the interview room. They called one by one randomly, I thought interview is going on for multiple technologies. After 2 hours a lady came and read a list of names which includes mine also. She said 'YOUR RRESUME IS NOT MATCHIG WITH OUR REQUIREMENTS'. I asked this is not a walk in interview right? and who shortlisted our resume?, I already having a job and I took half day leave to attend the interview, But you simply called me to sat here for two hours. The consaltancy called me, I shouted him. He apologised and said shall I arrange a telecon interview to the same company.

Posted by: Thomas Joseph - 06 Dec, 2009

88: Hello,
Well I think Harassing Resource is the most suitable word for HR. They harass people not only at the time of interview but they keep on harassing people when they join an organisation and there real face come\\\\\\\'s when an individual is serving a notice period all of the sudden they put new rules at this time. If you want to know such company I will tell you the name

Posted by: Vinay - 06 Dec, 2009

89:Hi,

Please tell me which is that company

 Anil R.S. replied to: Vinay 
 post - 06 Dec, 2009

90:This is not happening at one place dude, all over

 Vihari Sharma replied to: Vinay 
 post - 06 Dec, 2009

91: Hello,
Well I think Harassing Resource is the most suitable word for HR. They harass people not only at the time of interview but they keep on harassing people when they join an organisation and there real face come\'s when an individual is serving a notice period all of the sudden they put new rules at this time. If you want to know such company I will tell you the name

Posted by: ABHAY - 06 Dec, 2009

92: Most of the Indian companies specially in Delhi/NCR calls the candidate for Urgent Interview at their own Expenses without paying T.A to the candidates. That is why the Management & HR department do not treat the candidates seriously. After many times follows the HR just answer these three statements. Even many times they just forget the candidate who appeared for the interview at his own expenses.

Posted by: Sushil Garg - 06 Dec, 2009

93: I was working with a company named v2solutions located at vashi-navi mumbai, where i experienced it. I found HR harrasing employees and not releaving them in time. I totally agree with you. Strict action should be taken against them. Even they terminated some employees, when they not required them on certain project without any notice or warning.

Posted by: mac - 06 Dec, 2009

94:Hi Mac,
I completely agree with you. I too have heard about V2 Solutions creating problems for employees. I know few people who have been harassed by V2 Management. I really think strict action should be taken against them and they even write fake reviews of employee strength.

 Aamir replied to: mac 
 post - 08 Dec, 2009

95: I totally agree. Even i had same experience with HR of my company. i worked for last 2.5 years without a single complaint. But atlast, HR harrasses and doesn't relieve candidates on time because of critical work pressure in the organisation even though the notice period is served.

Posted by: funkyideas - 06 Dec, 2009

96: Hi!
Its not so much an "HR" issue as it is a cultural issue - We indians are not comfortable saying "No" to people - Its something we are slowly developing - thanks to the numerous calls offering free credit cards.
I believe the only way to combat the situation is to have enough options on hand - If I am a good resource and have interviewed at 5 places it really doesn't matter whether they will get back to me in this life or the next or if the position is on hold/ the top management has gone missing!If I am good and have applied to reputed companies - its only a matter of time before I make it.
The 2nd aspect is as an applicant I too need to interview the company and see if this is the place that I want to work with - if this is the way I get treated on the outside - imagine what it would be like inside!

Posted by: Mic - 06 Dec, 2009

97:I agree but no one want to kill their time just giving interviews and dont care about it. Do you think your time is not precious.

 Chandra replied to: Mic 
 post - 07 Dec, 2009

98: Nice piece, just wish it was written and edited better. A badly written report can really make one lose interest in it.

Posted by: Mohan - 06 Dec, 2009

99: Hi,
I have same exprience with my company.earlier I am working on contract base.Due to my performance company want's to convert me as permenant employee.
But when I went to submit all my document to HR department,then the 2/3 HR guy's treated me in such a way that, I had decided leave this organization in coming months.

Posted by: kapil - 06 Dec, 2009

100: Excellent article and comments. Unfortunately many workers in various fields are overworked which is unfortunate but does add to the problems mentioned. This does not give them an excuse to be rude, mean, and uncaring but this behavior is common in many jobs. I have found that in any business situation it seems to be more common now not to respond, not to return phone calls,email, etc, and frequently not to even listen to phone messages, just note who called and only call them if you have something that applies to the situation. I am an independent contractor so do not deal with HR but am really tired of unreturned phone calls by other business people, unanswered cell phones, etc. If they tell you they will get back to you and then don't, I have found it is usually because they were wrong about something they told you and do not wish to admit it so they just don't call back.

Posted by: Jeremy Burns - 06 Dec, 2009

101: Guys n Gals, In one of my previous company we needed people with Oracle experience. Guess what our HR did? He went to the 'resumes' folder and searched for the word 'Oracle'.

Out came few hundred CV's. But there were at least 20 CVs where people had written that they DO NOT KNOW Oracle but since they have SQL server experience, it won't be a problem for them.

Many from these 20 - 'NOT Oracle group' were called for the interview..No point in saying if some of them eventually got the job.

It is not always the HR's fault. Senior PMs sometimes ask them to find a resource who has 100 yrs of architecture experience, 200 years of Project Management experience with MBA, PMP, proficient in Coldfusion with knowledge of SAP implementation !

No I am not HR, but just an ordinary resource! - Nisha (iITPRO.NET : Indian IT Professionals Network).

Posted by: Nisha - 06 Dec, 2009

102:i totally agree with you, most of the time constraint and undefined tasks to the HR makes him weird. Think of the situation where the HR is from different department many of my friends they are doing their MBA and will become HR and asking them for the technology, they will fail so the HR must be appointed who is having good knowledge over the issues and technology

 Prakash replied to: Nisha 
 post - 06 Dec, 2009

103: hopeless recruiters......HR

Posted by: rasheed - 06 Dec, 2009

104:They are not hopeless like software engineering.. SE always telling lies.

 Unknown replied to: rasheed 
 post - 06 Dec, 2009

105:But they are not as hopeless as you.

 Unknown replied to: rasheed 
 post - 06 Dec, 2009

106: Looks like HR guys are good in digging their own grave..!

Just look at the comments made. We can easily say who is a HR guy & who is not. Most of them whom you find argumentative to comments posted are clearly the HR guys. Now am I justified with my points as said before.Remember humbleness, politeness, gentleness etc. Looks like some thing is missing in them isn't?:-) So we can only hope for da best and leave da rest to time. A simple thing. One offense & HR feels offended. So guess how a candidate feels when he is not getting a proper response. This is just a simple discussion & remember for the candidate it is his career. His life.! every thing. what should he do. sit back & bless the HR for the irresponsible & baseless responses that they give. First the feeling of responsibility itself is missing. How can u guys shoulder the responsibility of a corporate. Try to come to ground zero. Realize the work of a professional whom you want to recruit. Understand his need, his skill set required, the way their personal life is etc. Its not a easy job right. But only when a HR knows this he does a justified undisputed recruitment or appraisal. Remember this is what u guys r paid for. Every HR should know the difficulties. You are the bridge between the management & an employee. Only when you understand, an effective undisputed decision is taken. Lets say given an opportunity how many of the HR guys agree? Wana bet. Not even 20% will agree. Know why? Its the risk for their career.Its not the essay writing on HR practice at school. Its life. Please make a note gentlemen. Every employee recruited by u is under the same pressure. Every one has risk. No one is spared and that is also ensured by u HR guys. So why shouldnt it be the same pressure for HR. Lets say its just a training for qualification:-) Isnt that fair guys.! Lets see howmany guys qualify. Let the judges be the even the candidates recruited by you. Let them score your level of understanding. Let it be at any level. Junior or senior. If a HR is a real management guy. Try this out. But beware guys, may be your office operations may get stranded as most of the HR guys will resign as they will feel unsatisfied & might even resign after seeing the results of their performance score cards evaluated by their own peers.

So I would try to suggest rather to blame any HR.! Lets see if atleast this works with them. What say folks?

Posted by: Ashwin - 06 Dec, 2009

107:Dear Ashwin,
I have been in HR for a decade now and i would not disagree with you completly. However i believe that the role of an HR is to act as a business analyst as they are the ones who interact with most staff members from cross functions. They are also supposed to act as intervention specialist and advice business on various issues. If we talk about recruitments and trainings, well thats just a small part of their job. Also let me clarify that due to a lot of paperwork, SAP issues and uncertainty of the business the HR is blamed as they are the face of the company. There are companies where the HR is not a facilitator but the driver.

 Champsidhu replied to: Ashwin 
 post - 08 Dec, 2009

108:Hello Ashwin,

I presume that u r a techie.
Its for your kind information,HR'S DO NOT HIRE ANYONE BY THEIR WILL AND WISH. ITS THE MADNESS OF SENIOR TECHIES WHO ASK FOR RESOURCES MAKE THEM GIVE THESE ANSWERS WT U GUYS ARE TALKING ABT. Pls try to understand before you speak

 Unknown replied to: Ashwin 
 post - 06 Dec, 2009

109: I agree with u unknown,Ashwin please try to understand and check what u have writtrn.its only ur perception.

 unknown replied to:  Unknown 
 post - 06 Dec, 2009

110: I find Ashwin very gentle and practical. I think previous comments are from HR guys, very rude. You dont like to face the truth and hence hide your "name" as well.
Ashwin actually valuing HR's and role. Advising to grow up to the standards. I find my HR's more than the employees in my company...

 chandra  replied to: unknown 
 post - 07 Dec, 2009

111: I mean HR's leaving my company so fastly.. than employees.

 chandra replied to: chandra 
 post - 07 Dec, 2009

112: By going thro' the comments itself, one can understand the thoughts or perception of professionals about "HR". India took more than 25 years to come out of 'labor law enforcement' officer to HR but unfortunately HR is still just a “road show organizer” and many times scapegoat. CEO’s discretion whether to give more rights to HR is a critical aspect, which the author of this article fails to address. Also everybody knows who’s directing HR to act as the “Oh Poor Me”. Like any other profession, there can be many people who don’t know the value of people…but it should not lead us to the blind conclusion that HR is ‘Harassing Resource’

I believe in people and their immense capabilities and hence would say, HR professional is an inevitable part of any business.

Posted by: Sree - 06 Dec, 2009

113: Thats the way it will be. After all HR is the messenger of the company. In war you can never kill the messenger. You just have to tolerate him, whatever the case may be.

And try HR job at their salary. One of the most thankless job I have known. Atleast the above answers in the article are polite enough not to directly break someone's heart.

The person is just playing the role. Outside of the company HR people are just the same as any normal person. Doesn't the sales people or marketing people have to fake their company's credentials in case of getting a good customer. Nobody is a Saint and thats the fact.

And whatever the case, I have found that all want to be on good terms with the HR people, no matter what these people might say about the HR people behind their backs.

Posted by: Abdul Kadir - 06 Dec, 2009

114: Fantastic, not only the article, but also the comments.
I support the comment if IThink that the we should think a while about the recruiter, or a HR generalist. We have to spend some time to think on the matter bfore we are going to comment on it.And we should note another point that an HR professional is just dropping those people who are no punctual, with no discipline etc. The condition that the HR thinks is purely professional and not personal.

Posted by: praveen - 06 Dec, 2009

115:All,
We jus can blaim the entire HR Profession. Same time HR has to satisfy the emplyees and management as well. It is a thankless job. It is not the problem of the HR professionals but it is like that in nature..

 Sharaf Qatar replied to: praveen 
 post - 08 Dec, 2009

116: Fantastic people.Their first call is emergency,then never calls back!

Posted by: Deepankar - 06 Dec, 2009

117:Nothing is with HR.. Its all decided by Management. It evaluate every point what you spoke in the interview (Both Technical & HR interview) based on that they will recruit. Its pointless to blame HR

 Nirmala replied to: Deepankar 
 post - 06 Dec, 2009

118: All should understand that HR people recruit for other departments and what they say to candidates are what they hear from those departmental heads. Whenever an HOD or a senior manager feel that his dept. needs a new person they inform HR, who start their hunt. Once the process nears completion, the HOD / senior manager would say "we may be able to manage without a new recruit" or "we have budget constraint" or "the vacancy did not get approval", etc. What the poor HR guy can do?

Posted by: Murali - 06 Dec, 2009

119:Gracias Senores Muy Agradecido por sus Mensajes y trato de Leerlos ho Traducirlos para Responderles Att. Luis F Cristancho Rojas

 LUIS FERNANDOCRISTANCHO ROJAS replied to: Murali 
 post - 06 Dec, 2009

120:yes, It seems hr nothing to do management will take final decision

 chandra shekar.N replied to: Murali 
 post - 06 Dec, 2009

121: Having half decade of experience of IT industry, I had always dreamt of learning from HR folks in industry. But most times, the heavy workload didn't let me do. But I had lot of respect for them. Eventually I figured out them that
they are cannibals favoring management. They even leave their humanistic feelings ... IT needs Employee Unions ...

Posted by: anonymous - 06 Dec, 2009

122: It's been interesting reading the comments posted, especially the negative one. Here's my take on the situation. It is easy to comment and point out the negative. However, before you do so, please spend some time in the other persons' shoes. Be a recruiter, trainer or HR generalist for a month (on their salaries, I might add). Experience the reality of their situation and then comment. Your views will have more validity then.

Posted by: IThink - 06 Dec, 2009

123: After learning from me when I was working as quality assurance head(Procedure for HR)...My(female) HR(Grove Limited) send me out of the organisation..That is the quality of female who doesn't have any experince in CMM level 5 company(international standards).

Posted by: VirtualAHuman - 05 Dec, 2009

124: Hi guys I feel the HR are the bum lickers of the upper management. If any HR bastards reading this beg to disagree contact me at my email id. You rascals do you even have a back bone :)))

Posted by: Neeraj Gupta - 05 Dec, 2009

125:Go and kiss your mother's behind.

 Zig Ziglar replied to: Neeraj Gupta 
 post - 08 Dec, 2009

126:I think this is a bit rash comment not worthy of publishing. But, reactions apart, I do agree HR has not displayed courage, not been standing up to voice the collective conscience. But that is the way many large organisations have done in the name of leading the function. B Schools need to put a bit of emphasis on creating better people, especially in HR, than better managers.
Krish, Maximus Consulting.

 Krish replied to: Neeraj Gupta 
 post - 06 Dec, 2009

127: Depending upon market scenerio, there will be good and hard time.At this peroid of time there is no point blaming HR.Only solutions for this is to be straight forward and communicate.

Posted by: wilson - 05 Dec, 2009

128:That's what HR is critisized for Mr. Wilson. They don't provide a straight answer or solution to a problem, instead prolong it. They'll be found in cafeteria, gardens even in the company's gym or sports area but when it comes to work related queries they are a busy lot.

 Vinay Mittal replied to: wilson 
 post - 06 Dec, 2009

129: I think the value of HR department can be understood in the different manner. Think about the professionalism without HR skills. No discipline and no value of managing the human resource. The condition like the HR thinks is purely professional attitude but the way the other employees take it as personally. The HR department if work efficiently than it can incrwease the human potential upto four folded

Posted by: Prakash Nawange - 05 Dec, 2009

130: This is a wonderful one..! I cannot say even a single line is a mistake. I am a victim of all these lines as mentioned above. Its high time the HR guys tune up to the times. I could spot a guy's comment as Why blame only HR..? I would like to clarify to people that there are also people like me in the market with a focus in mind. We never jump jobs or don't leave the HR uninformed. I would like to make a statement here at this point. Please readers don't mistake me. There is no other reason for the slow prosperity or Brain drain or lack of faster growth in India. The corporates play a major role. More than that individuals play a major role. Its not only the corrupted politics. Why do people go abroad..? Why do people go misguided..? Is it only for money..? Is it only for super luxurious life..? No..! No way..! This is a FLAT WORLD friends..! Its that they are not recognized properly in our country. I wont blame the entire crowd. But ya we must admit to this fact. And why is this happening..? Its because the HR ACTIVITIES TEND TO LEAD RATHER TO FOLLOW RECRUITMENT ACTIVITIES. This going to lead to a disaster if I am correct as this process is becoming very similar and closer to the present phenomena of globalization as it was never expected to be. Here the financial system tends to lead rather to follow real economic activity which lead to all this global recession & crisis. Its high time that not only HR but all recruiters to realize that you have to be posses certain things for sure like
1. Be broad minded.
2. Be open & transparent. Communicate if a candidate is rejected.Indirectly you can help him identify his flaws and appreciate him for some thing that you found him good which will be a good piece of encouragement.
3. Ensure a right person to interview a right candidate with respect to respective candidates profile.
4. Ensure the person with Money, Authority & need to be sitting in the interview panel/ committee. Definitely the HR is a person with only targets:-) He never feels the heat when a good candidate is rejected.
5. Be on earth & try to explore ground reality. Try to analyze & succeed. Just chumma asking for people with experience or negotiating wired packages as a compromise will never solve your problem but only make things worse. There are thousand ways to fill that position & also be productive. India is a potential country for that with a huge number of resources. Once this is done, the problem of attrition is well solved. I would request the HR not to just blame the system for not doing your job properly. try to add value to the organization. Beware guys. Its just the time that organizations in India have to go lean. Try to ensure your seat. But dont harass the candidates taking this account.

Please some HR guys answer me for this question. Is there a requirement to ask a candidate about himself when you have the resume for that person in your hand..?

Ok some may say they check attitude or language at times. Cant you try to be more productive asking the candidate to talk some thing on the reason for him to be in the interview for a respective position.Isnt that more productive. Try to be sensible. Background verification can be done later. Try to know the candidate before interviewing him. That is actually your role as a HR. Sorry if Iam offensive..!
6. Remember, real attitude, skill & performance is checked at work & not in the interview. So select people & only then you can analyze them better.

7. Be humble, polite, gentle & modest. I have rarely seen HR guys with all these in one single person. On top of this they hunt for people in the market with all these in a single person... What a pity..!heh he he

8. Every individual is an opportunity. If you fail to identify this, its clear that it is you who fail and not the candidate. He moves on & its you & ultimately your company who lags.

9. Be open with your situation & requirement. Communicate the actual reason for rejecting a candidate. Atleast he will be happy to know the reason. Almost 95% candidates accept a proper reason.

10. Avoid stupid reasons like you are over qualified or your language is not upto the mark or you dont carry an American accent etc. Hey these are minor things which are due to the environment. These are subject to change. Please understand.If the candidate is over qualified try to put him with a person more qualified than him or a slot where he fits in the best. Dont reject him for being over qualified. Get his consent before rejecting him to be overqualified.At the same time dont hire a masterpiece for a wrong job. Its not his mistake to be over qualified. Similarly dont expect a Indian to have an American slang & and American to have an Indian slang. If you expect Indians to have an American slang then the location for the interview will be only immigration centers at airports or spoken English classrooms:-) and this is the expectations of Indians in Oracle :-)

and at last give some experience before you ask for experienced candidates. If all employers ask only for experienced people, where do the fresh manpower go..? They will simply migrate to places, to different domains or even deffer at times. Provide people with some experience today so that you can ask for experienced people tomorrow.

Hope I wasn't offensive..!:-)

Posted by: Ashwin - 05 Dec, 2009

131:Your comments nice... to read

But, your mentioned certain things all not acceptable.

other said HR is a _____...etc etc......... etc...

I am asking you all who wrote the comments above:

How many are are really know about job profile?

Aswin you asked " a requirement to ask a candidate about himself when you have the resume for that person in your hand..?" yes is like a unwritten common question, which help to avoid fake candidates like who are all kicked out by Real HR professional. Evey on think it is a simple Question. I hope every one come across this question in many time. ask your self Hom many are failed to answers. Resume is the only instrument was created to use and refer the candidate in their absence. resume any one can write.

If the candidate in not able tell her/him self.. how that he going to sale his work to company

the common state in employee and employer relation is "Employee work is sale to the company"

employee are dealings with the work,HR people are dealing with human (good and bad people)

May be one HR dis wrong to the some employees.For that Saying non-sense thinks abt HR professional is a stupidity . It is not good mannerism.

Instead of doing work spending time in posting nonsense here.. the if am a HR for you will kick all of your ASS

you never come across the Real HR..

All the best.. wer every you go u need to beg the HR

 pradeepKC replied to: Ashwin 
 post - 07 Dec, 2009

132:I agree to the words of Ashwin

 Kundan replied to: Ashwin 
 post - 06 Dec, 2009

133:i agree to the words of Ashwin.it is the ground reason why india is lagged behind.HR persons must go through this suggestion and should help find the real human power inside men.

 sagarika replied to: Ashwin 
 post - 06 Dec, 2009

134:Very well said Ashwin. Iam totally agree with your view. If any HR people reading this article, i would ask them to follow ashwin's path.

 Shankar Pradhan replied to: Ashwin 
 post - 06 Dec, 2009

135: Hi Shankar! Thanx for ur reply.

 Ashwin replied to:  Shankar Pradhan 
 post - 06 Dec, 2009

136:Ashwin well said! I can feel and understand your experiences in your comments. Though it’s hard, it’s true. I feel that HR is no more a support group for a company. If I have a company I would have a guy with deep knowledge in the companies operations and then the subjective knowledge of the HR as HR manager / team. No one can judge a thing with out experiencing it. Every company should have a value message along with their vision mission statement. As the companies operations stive to achive the vision and mission within the companies Ethics. HR should strive for the value statement of the company.

 Srinivas ramachandran replied to: Ashwin 
 post - 05 Dec, 2009

137: Again and Again dont blame hr's thy too are human.
its clearly seen that those who dont know anything about what is HR is talking all rubbish and blaming others like anything.First of all who is having the decision power its the top management and hr has to implement what they say.

Mind u All u people dont have any right to talk nonsense there is a limit for your abuses which is absolutely baseless.

Posted by: brownies - 05 Dec, 2009

138:your word is right but you have a right picture atlest you guys have tell to clear and because no body will waiting if u r given frank statement.

 yogesh replied to: brownies 
 post - 05 Dec, 2009

139: my professional colleague,

i guess the average age of the reading and reacting population will be in 20's or max 30's. None of you have seen the industrial days of 70's and 80's. The contribution of then personnel dept and now HR Dept. is tremendous in improving the dignity of labour. i urge all of you to read well about the changes in the working sector in India in last 50 yrs and you will realise the contribution of HR. Work and pay is a system laid down by civilised society to conduct themselves and live amicably. HR plays a huge role in maintaining this order. It's a reality that the management takes the praise for good work done and HR takes the blame for harsh decisions. that's the way it is. It remains one of the most thankless professions in the planet.

Posted by: George Varghese - 05 Dec, 2009

140: I can understand the frustration...but as mentioned..a call from HR, and e-mail reply or during an interview the candidate can be informed that he/she is not selected because of the desired profile does not match the skill set. The more positive way of saying it is unfortunately there are other candidates who have done well at the interview. This will give an idea to the candidate as the reason why he is not selected. If communicated clearly he/she will not wait for the reply from HR,as he already knew the result. If the main function (HR) which deals from resume screening to the final round does not reply back, I think it is a huge problem. The Human element is lost with the Human Resource Function. This is the function that should care and look into the development.

Posted by: kiran - 05 Dec, 2009

141: HR can function as "Human resource" if and only if the top management supported the novel practice, otherwise it shall be a desk to hinder the interest of prospective candidates. The manner in which most of the IT company HR professionals behaved during the recession, do indicate that when things are hostile to the Management, the style of HR tends towards "Harassing Resource". By this they have distanced prospective candidates from their Company and even the new aspirants have started looking towards the offer of employment with suspicion. Of course HR is not always to say “yes’, but they should primarily learn how to tell a pleasing and convincing "No", when things shape beyond comprehension.

Posted by: SachiBahrain - 05 Dec, 2009

142: Well, as most of them quoted its an interesting topic to have a discussion at length, a few points I have to share. Someone has quoted that "HR does not earn a single rupee" therefore it is not required. But, to remind you my friend, every single penny saved for the company is equal to a "Penny earned" for the company and thats what HR is supposed to do. I know we all do not like someone observing us or trying to tech us, but we should start accepting that "not all of us right at all times" and there has to be someone reminding on a constant basis on the right practices (that is the duty of HR). All of us must try accepting HR as a line function than just a support function and that will change the whole perspective.

Posted by: Vishwanath - 05 Dec, 2009

143: Very Well Said Rajiv [Comment No.157)

Do any of the person Interviewed reply back to the Company/HR that they are not interested in the job they were interviewed or got a better offer? Why blame HR only?

Know yourself first? Right No?

Amruth

Posted by: Amruth Das - 05 Dec, 2009

144:ya as a candidate and the best human i replied so that due to me someone who really required that job doesnot loose that1...though i am unemployed ryt nw searching for the ryt job..that is electrical technical field..someday surely am going to get it....the thing about hr is really hardly required is correct.....

--->jay hind

 amit replied to: Amruth Das 
 post - 07 Dec, 2009

145: Bar none - TCS has the worst HR organization in the world. This is followed by their dysfunctional finance organization. They are very far from ethics and morality due to the Kumbhkaran effect.

Posted by: Rakshash Bum - 05 Dec, 2009

146: thanks for this article and all the posts, next time i would say on the face that you are rejected pls do not apply here again. after reading all this i came to know what respect people have for HR? we really need to struggle to push the candidature ahead, we are answerable to so many now i learnt it not required to be polite to such sick candidates.

Posted by: San - 05 Dec, 2009

147:sorry....its not about being required to be polite to "sick candidates". Please dont call candidates sick, it makes me feel sick being a hardcore and passionate HR senior.
All candidates are genuine and passionate about themselves and come to you to try getting a job. Whether they meet the required skills or they dont, THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO BE TREATED WITH RESPECT. PERIOD.

 SAGAR KUNTE replied to: San 
 post - 05 Dec, 2009

148: The problem does not end here ladies and gentlemen. You give a wonderful interview, settle your package and you have a blast for your new, but thats just the begining. Your project allotment is in their hands, your various letters are at their stake. Every HR forgets that they are the support functions. They dont earn a single penny for the organisation.They are in the organisation to make our lives smooth since we are the staff who earn for the company.

Posted by: Sujoy Upadhyay - 05 Dec, 2009

149: the basic ideas of employee engagement, fringe benefits, employee recognitions, performance management, outings, free health insurance, compensation & benefits, holidays, Saturday dressing concept, all employee friendly policy, promotion strategy. employee discount on company's product ,etc are the proposal of H R department to the highest level policy makers who just give an approval. so one should not forget the services rendered by HR department before blaming it. hiring is the JOB of a H R and firing is job of concerned department, HR just facilitate the firing process, but talent identification Talent hunting =, sourcing the right candidates, these all are done by a HR thats why an employee is in the Job.

Posted by: Haragovind Singh - 05 Dec, 2009

150: this is such a sorry excuse for an article, so badly written(or quoted!)

HR is not so much a Strategic Function now as it is an Operational Necessity. Sad but true! And having sold B services to the same, I have borne witness to their wholesome dumbing down, over the years.

With minimal thought leadership and initiative, they are more a liability for organisations- reason why some of the smaller companies outsource to us.

Spare a thought, for those who choose to put their rears on the line and actually do some good work. Unfortunately there are so few left.

Posted by: cary - 05 Dec, 2009

151:True and sad what you say. But i look towards those "few" rather than seek solace in the many. And what few are we talking about? You will find just a "few" good leaders at the top, just a "few" dedicated operations managers, just a "few" good team members, just a "few" good politicians and so on and so forth.
HR is not a job, it is a CALLING. Anyone seeking a career in HR, please go somewhere else

 SAGAR KUNTE replied to: cary 
 post - 05 Dec, 2009

152: Hi,
Interesting topic to debate on.One can go taking at length about it. I would also like to share some of my experiences here. I am a Business Development Guy having 7 years work experience, worked as a Business Development Manager for almost 5 years. To begin with, I will be forthright to accept flaw in my resume, I have changed quite few companies and that gives my resume a look of an unstable person. Ofcourse, those changes were made owing to certain unavoidable circumstances (Which primarily includes familial constraints). I have always been in this loop, HR guy shortlists my resume, calls me for an interview and I have a HR person in front me questioning me as to why did I leave so many organizations and didn't stay with one for a longer duration. I fire back asking them, did u not look into my resume before calling me for an interview. If u are apprehensive from the word go, then why waste both of ours time (things which can be discussed over a phone call and sorted should be taken care in that manner instead our HR fellas,have started behaving like people who can summon any one any time and question them right in front of them, this is certainly not needed).Second, I find it inappropriate for a HR person to be asking questions to a Sales personnel or for that matter a technical guy (Once u have noted the explanations that you received during your conversation on phone with the candidate, one should simply put that up on the candidates resume and if the guy is still suitable from a functional perspective put him up to the functional guy) reason is simple. HR cannot possibly master all functions. there function is and should be to act as a facilitator. where-in they should facilitate by pulling out resumes in line with the requirement given by the functional people and put them across functional heads. After the functional heads have had their round of questioning, the HR person can step in again and question in line of knowing a person's psyche, based on their findings if the functional person has given a go ahead for the candidate as suitable from a function perspective, HR should work towards building an environment and training programs and policies where-in the employee feels secure in the company and in it's working culture. Unfortunately we have a system which is a bit different, here the functional heads, I wouldn't say all, but many for that matter ask the HR person to test the person's psyche, and in most of the cases, the candidate feels, why am I being questioned by HR guy, when I am not at all going to work in that department (this excludes candidates those who are there for HR positions). This is where I lost it most of the times, I am not sure how many of you would agree. In addition to this, I certainly do not understand one thing, how can one ask a question like "Tell me something about yourself?", which still makes me look at my resume and ask a question to myself, does this resume look that of a fresher? And funny thing, it is sometime asked by a person, who is junior to me in designation and as well as experience. I hope this discussions, helps our brilliant HR folks to rectify certain flawed process and concentrate more on making a the work place more friendly towards people who want to join them in their organization and work towards formulating ideal policies.

Posted by: Sagar - 05 Dec, 2009

153:Friends, please ignore the typo errors made.
Thanks-Sagar

 Sagar  replied to: Sagar 
 post - 05 Dec, 2009

154: HR is short form of Himesh Reshamiya ... :D
but there is no difference in this HR and company HR ...
U like it or not ... u have to hear his songs ... :D

Posted by: anuj - 05 Dec, 2009

155: these HR people are (H-ighly R-eckless people)who wont even bother about intimating the result to the person who seeks a job when it is negative. they feel as if they are the once who give bread and butter and they are the ultimate. they even forget that at least once they felt the same about the HR.

Posted by: ravi - 05 Dec, 2009

156: Sare HR wale Punjab aa jaooo ,, assi sabka dimag thik kar dawange ,,, HR walo kee liyee galii bhii kaam padegiii ,, i dont want to insult the "degnity of Gali",,, God give peace to these dirty souls in hell,,,,

Posted by: killtheHR - 05 Dec, 2009

157: HR : humbly reduculus

Posted by: hate hr - 05 Dec, 2009

158: this is true. when co wants to squeeze anyone's happyness they put HR in front. when there is any party they behave like careting staff. while u r part of org they give u no values when u r out they r prompt in replying to your queries pertaining to F&F & exp letter. useless guys

Posted by: raj - 05 Dec, 2009

159: yup,,hr,,i had also a big exp wid so called hr...highly ragbag,home for ramblers,hunt randomly,causing human rankle,and humurous....,many words,,,theres one branded firm ,indian mnc,,which has been in campus recruitment in top b school,,,and these hr people are campus recruiting for last 2.5 months,that too when they are for campus tecruit for 1wt time ,,,i mean same national slogan ,well get back to u,,,can any of u people believe ,dat in d history of campus recruitment,,any firm has taken this timee,,,,shame on them,,,please explain them any of the guys ,,the meaning of campus recruit,,////either they need to throw away whole hr deptt..or replace wid them some one who can handle it all,,,cheers

Posted by: rahul - 05 Dec, 2009

160:one more thing i forgot,,,these highly responsive people ,dont have their fundamentals in any of the multidisciplinary areas in an organisation,,still they r given d task of shortlisting people in engineerng,managementt,,etc,etc,,,biggest joke of millionium na guys

 rahul replied to: rahul 
 post - 05 Dec, 2009

161: The commets seem to be unending. HR manager is a manager of the managers.Normally he must possess the 4 C's ie. Competence, confidence, capacity for decision making and communication skill. I must belive that the problem discussed is a matter of lack of or delay in decision making. The copy book describes a novice's possible reaction to poblems as below,-
A novice may adopt one of the following actions in the face of a crisis. (actions listed are only illustrative and not specific to any person, state or region)
1) Solve it as per her/ his personal judgment
2) Consult a book or a peer
3) Take help from a public man, immediate boss, or leader of the community
4) Parley the problem by entering into long correspondence
5) Ignore the problem altogether in an attitude of resignation
6) Provide a temporary solution to cover up the symptoms (in a way sweep things under carpet)
7) Loose temper and throw the blame on others
8) Try to get away from the environment seeking administrative or political relief (like trying for transfer etc.)
9) Go to the press exposing whomsoever can be a threat to her/ his existence or peace.
10) Panic and run away from the problem (resign, take leave, proceed on tour, go for higher studies etc.)

Posted by: Prof(Dr.) Ramakumar,V. - 05 Dec, 2009

162: Wonderful
I agree to this. Its true. I have seen these excuses a lot many times.

Posted by: shambhu - 05 Dec, 2009

163: The article here is very interesting has it have favour what is we called fact. I had too faced similar situation and as the time gone I had learned the strategy of companies anytime. Maybe your are employed or not. They are playing cards with the people values. At the time of Interviews there are undetermined urgency of people that they give hardly any time to think while after getting jobs we many times faces situation like all worst of job is here. At the time, people should carefully select the companies. also should not hurry up at the risk of your position. Negotiation is the key, which can play a major role during interviews. I had read somewhere that, saying 'No' is also a healthy habit when you know it is not possible. It is this point where majority of risk is involved. I never say that you should tell always no, but it can turn your way of life too. Then it may be Interview or Negotiation while Project handlings. In both cases, what you say is important is what Management notes it. By the way methodology of Management is “Do or Die”

Posted by: Jayant Patil - 05 Dec, 2009

164: We are committed to assisting highly skilled professionals with their job search. In the current challenging business environment, we are focusing significant time and effort on identifying job opportunities for our candidates. When we find an opportunity that is a match for your skills, we will contact you immediately. Until then, please know we are working hard to find the right position for you.

Posted by: Ashok - 05 Dec, 2009