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75 percent Indian techies unemployable: Nasscom
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Bangalore: Indian IT firms reject 90 percent of college graduates and 75 percent of engineers who apply for jobs because they are not good enough to be trained, according to Nasscom.
Wipro employs 95,000, Infosys 1,05,000 and TCS 1,43,000. Of the Fortune 500, only Wal-Mart in America adds more people annually than either Infosys or TCS.
Last year Infosys hired 28,231 people, including 18,000 graduates paid
3 lakh a year. This year they will hire 20,000 at Rs 3.25 lakh. Infosys is hiring though there isn't enough business. Currently, 30,000 people at Infosys are 'benched'.
Why are they still hiring and raising salaries? Because they cannot find competent people and due to this reason, this year Infosys increased its training of employees to 29 weeks. That's seven months of training. Why do they need so much training? And why is the quality of applicants so poor?
Infosys spends twice as much as its American competitors on training, four percent of revenue. Nine half-literates are produced by our colleges, by Nasscom's numbers, for every graduate of passable quality. What is Nasscom's solution to this? It wants government to boost college enrolment from 10 percent of those in secondary school, to 25 percent. Nasscom knows that this will only increase the number of job applicants, not the quality, but there's no other solution.
India produces three million graduates, but Nasscom says that next year it will see a shortage of 500,000 graduates, because incompetents will swamp the rest.
Wipro employs 95,000, Infosys 1,05,000 and TCS 1,43,000. Of the Fortune 500, only Wal-Mart in America adds more people annually than either Infosys or TCS.
Last year Infosys hired 28,231 people, including 18,000 graduates paid
3 lakh a year. This year they will hire 20,000 at Rs 3.25 lakh. Infosys is hiring though there isn't enough business. Currently, 30,000 people at Infosys are 'benched'.Why are they still hiring and raising salaries? Because they cannot find competent people and due to this reason, this year Infosys increased its training of employees to 29 weeks. That's seven months of training. Why do they need so much training? And why is the quality of applicants so poor?
Infosys spends twice as much as its American competitors on training, four percent of revenue. Nine half-literates are produced by our colleges, by Nasscom's numbers, for every graduate of passable quality. What is Nasscom's solution to this? It wants government to boost college enrolment from 10 percent of those in secondary school, to 25 percent. Nasscom knows that this will only increase the number of job applicants, not the quality, but there's no other solution.
India produces three million graduates, but Nasscom says that next year it will see a shortage of 500,000 graduates, because incompetents will swamp the rest.
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Posted by: hotelbuchen italien - 01 May, 2010
5: Lets look at the other side of the statement.
If 90% of college grads and 75% of Engg.
grads could get good jobs without the dgree,
and be assured of reasonable growth based on
their skills and learning on the job, then
this problem will solve itself. But companies
insist on graduates for menial jobs even in
software i guess there are levels and
associated functions where a degree is not
required !
Recruiters who take an aptitude test for programmers find that only 10% qualify. Programming is not everyone's forte... and if by the aptitude test you can offer jobs to the smart guys then the effort and expense of college is saved, and a degree can be picked up later, as is possible in the States, I beleive. And the guys who fail the test will be discouraged from applying for these jobs if they go on for a degree.
Recruiters who take an aptitude test for programmers find that only 10% qualify. Programming is not everyone's forte... and if by the aptitude test you can offer jobs to the smart guys then the effort and expense of college is saved, and a degree can be picked up later, as is possible in the States, I beleive. And the guys who fail the test will be discouraged from applying for these jobs if they go on for a degree.
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post - 01 May, 2010
7: i think americans have good
conversation,personality,talking technique
& practical knowlegde those are not
prresent in indian students.
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: gaurav
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
9: And what about NASSCOM members deliberately
and fraudulently passing off every tom dick
and harry as a SAP consultant , esp in
Hyderabad.every second chap with cooked up
exp is running around as a functional
consultant.even rickshaw waala's have turned
SAP consultant now a days.no wonder majority
of SAP implementations are overtime, overcost
and ultimately flop shows.
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Kiran
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
11: This is very believable. Before I and many of
my colleagues lost our programming jobs to
outsourcing in India, we were working hand-in
hand with them. We didn't know it at the
time, but we were actually training them to
replace us. (Under the ruse that they were
sub-contractors that were helping us.) I
cannot tell you how many blatant errors we
had to fix due to incompetence. We had to
constantly double-check everything and clean
up after them. I'm talking about simple
errors that a properly trained software
engineer would never make. Complaining to
management made no difference because the
sub-contractors were getting paid 1/3 what we
were, which made it an excellent deal for the
company. Face it: quality costs money, cheap
labor is what it is. American quality sold
out to the lowest bidder. I feel no empathy
for the situation the Indian high tech sector
finds itself in now. Maybe someday things
will go full circle and American companies
will decide that saving a few bucks is not
worth the reduction in quality.
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post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
13:Bull Shit Dont think that Americans have big
brains and they are smarter than Indians. Ur
comment just shows ur frustration of loosing
a job. I too develop Software and do it with
high quality following the standards.
Mayank replied to: An Angry American
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Mayank
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post - 01 May, 2010
15: It is indeed sickening to find the kind of
enginerring graduates are being churned out
these days by Engineering Colleges around the
country. Only engineers are produced, but not
the quality as most of them do not have basic
concepts and clear understanding of whatever
being taught. Perhaps we cannot blame
students alone for this malady, but also the
teaching faculty, who hardly have time for
sound teaching (as he/she needs to be
thoroughly prepared like our teachers used to
be in our time)as the prime objective is
shifted to making money. Since there are
several ways to do so in our present
education system like coaching class,private
tution, they may not have necessary time to
devote to build good engineers.
Unfortunately, we have lost our commitment to
our profession. Instead of having a passion
for it, we all, including parents do think
that engineering profession like others is
only a means for making money. But, we
forget, a competent and capable person does
make money in any profession as he/she is
always sought after by good employers as they
only can add values rather wealth to an
organisation.
I find it more painful when we scout candidates for deployment to our overseas clients for projects or corporate job. Surprisingly, even a trainee blindly applies for the job without even reading the JD to check his suitabilty as his only focus is somehow to go abroad and make money. This culture must stop now as quality of Indian engineers is dropping rapidly while salary expectations are rising unproportionately so that some foreign clients only look for candidate from other nationalities. This is should send an alarm to one and all. We, as HR Service Provider find it quite hard to reach to a good candidate after removing pile of junks in the form of standard CVs with tall claims (with often fake data) and to verify this, we hardly find any tangible testimonials for the claim made. This exercise is not only hard work but time consuming, but we are afraid as a Professional Group to lose our crdibilty with clients by presenting/recommending incompetent people for their consideration as tehy will be caught either during interview or later kicked out of the job at a great cost to as contracttually we have to refund our service charge. Either way, we become loser on behest of such candidates.
It is high time to check out the quality of graduate engineers for Engineering colleges during the tenure of the course ( as many colleges are run by politicians, which has contributed to this malice) so that we get properly educated with ethical values from young engineers passing out every year.
I find it more painful when we scout candidates for deployment to our overseas clients for projects or corporate job. Surprisingly, even a trainee blindly applies for the job without even reading the JD to check his suitabilty as his only focus is somehow to go abroad and make money. This culture must stop now as quality of Indian engineers is dropping rapidly while salary expectations are rising unproportionately so that some foreign clients only look for candidate from other nationalities. This is should send an alarm to one and all. We, as HR Service Provider find it quite hard to reach to a good candidate after removing pile of junks in the form of standard CVs with tall claims (with often fake data) and to verify this, we hardly find any tangible testimonials for the claim made. This exercise is not only hard work but time consuming, but we are afraid as a Professional Group to lose our crdibilty with clients by presenting/recommending incompetent people for their consideration as tehy will be caught either during interview or later kicked out of the job at a great cost to as contracttually we have to refund our service charge. Either way, we become loser on behest of such candidates.
It is high time to check out the quality of graduate engineers for Engineering colleges during the tenure of the course ( as many colleges are run by politicians, which has contributed to this malice) so that we get properly educated with ethical values from young engineers passing out every year.
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post - 01 May, 2010
17: I totally believe it. Look at the number of
engineering colleges that are opening up,
thanks to all the politicians who are
involved, the quality of education atleast at
the bachelor's level is really poor.
Engineering seats are valued betweem Rs.20,000 to Rs.10,00,000. If you have the money, you have the degree.
I bet about 80% of the applicants belong to fields of study not related to IT. Not related to stupid software testing.
Why are they turning themselves into that field? I guess it is because of the lack of proper initiative by the govt and the private sector to development in the other areas.
Engineering seats are valued betweem Rs.20,000 to Rs.10,00,000. If you have the money, you have the degree.
I bet about 80% of the applicants belong to fields of study not related to IT. Not related to stupid software testing.
Why are they turning themselves into that field? I guess it is because of the lack of proper initiative by the govt and the private sector to development in the other areas.
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Suresh
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
19: this is a rubbish article if the figures are
so high then IT industry will never be out of
recession .
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: abhinav
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
21:This figure is as true as death dude,
Recession has nothing to do with freshers not getting jobs or less salary.
Man-power recruitment depends upon the number of projects and their market value, not on the level of graduates.
Companies are still getting good projects and experienced (not freshers) and efficient man-power from job-market on good pay packs.
Recession has nothing to do with freshers not getting jobs or less salary.
Man-power recruitment depends upon the number of projects and their market value, not on the level of graduates.
Companies are still getting good projects and experienced (not freshers) and efficient man-power from job-market on good pay packs.
Gourav Mahajan replied to: abhinav
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post - 02 Nov, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Gourav
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
23: your article says: "as per Nasscom: IT
companies reject 90% college grads and 75%
engineers applying for jobs because they are
not good enough to be trained". Would
appreciate if you could dwelve into more
details and state why does Nasscom feel so.
Where is the ' void ' ? Nasscom's figures
picture a very dark side and it's surprising
& disheartenning...in that case it surely
merits a serious relooking into the very
curriculum of certain colleges &/or
institutions running such courses. Should not
Nasscom help the authourities in closing them
OR review their programmes?
Posted by: anjan - 02 Nov, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: anjan
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
25: Does anybody know how good is Ramanujam's
discoveries for computers ?
Posted by: sanjay doshi - 01 Nov, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: sanjay
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
27: Begin your literacy quest with learning to
properly speak and write the English
language. Then attend college for advanced
skills. It is evident by reading the comments
that Indians are not proficient in English.
This could be the first indication as to why
they are not getting jobs, especially in
America. They cannot communicate.
Posted by: An American - 01 Nov, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: An
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
29:An American: Actually, many of the educated
Indians are perfectly proficient in the
Queen's English. The problem for you is that
1. They probably talk too fast for you. 2.
They have an "accent" (I am from New Zealand
and I regularly have to slow down my speech
when I am talking to Americans, so 1 & 2
apply to me too), and 3. When writing on
comment and message boards, they are prone to
using txt-speak and/or short-form. We can
thank Tata Docomo for introducing the
pay-by-the-character mentality (though it
surely didn't start with them, it's been
around for a lot longer).
Mathew Carley, Hayai Broadband replied to: An American
post - 05 Nov, 2009
post - 05 Nov, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Mathew
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
31:An American: Your comment seems to have
racist overtones. India has many languages
and English is one of them. Getting jobs and
speaking a language are not always related.
Even for Americans, English is a foreign
language for most native speakers. With the
current US education system and its poor
performance in English, math and sciences - I
would suggest charity should begin at home.
An Indian replied to: An American
post - 02 Nov, 2009
post - 02 Nov, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: An
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
33: I agree the comment was racist, even though I
dislike the displacement of jobs(outsourcing)
I think the bigger problem is the skills
being taught either in India or the US.
Schools need to focus more on soft skills
communication, interacting and then concepts
and theories. I believe that these elements
need to accompany hands on experience in
school and not so much on the job. I like
this report because it raises questions on
the bigger problem everywhere... the best way
to prepare our students for the workplace of
the 21st century..
Bill replied to: An Indian
post - 02 Nov, 2009
post - 02 Nov, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Bill
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
35:I disagree with you (American)because what is
spoken in the US is really not 'english' It's
more of English redefined ... and that is
accepted by the world purely due to America's
control of the world economics and other
decision making platforms. Secondly the
article states that as per Nasscom there is a
rejection of 90%college graduates and about
75% engineers applying for fresh IT jobs.
Nasscom's very statement needs to be relooked
whether the rejected applicant's field of
study and the job that he/ she applies for
really match... It may sound beserck but in
todays' post meltdown scenario when the
applicant has no other job in hand he/ she
just applies for a job at random...hoping to
cope with the situation and make the best of
the on-the-job trainning programme...
anjan replied to: An American
post - 02 Nov, 2009
post - 02 Nov, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: anjan
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
37: Guys, can we stop blaming others please. How
is it going to help us if we always keep on
blaming Americans, Our school principals,
Govt., Osama Bin laden etc.?
let's take the responsibility on our own shoulders and let's accept our drawbacks because that's the only way we can improve our levels.
let's take the responsibility on our own shoulders and let's accept our drawbacks because that's the only way we can improve our levels.
Gourav replied to: anjan
post - 02 Nov, 2009
post - 02 Nov, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Gourav
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
39: If there was a theft happened in my house,
then what benefit would i get if i start
blaming the thief and keep on crying over the
stolen stuff?
The right thing is to make more security measures so that it won't happen again.
This is a serious issue, In 2007 the figure was 57% as per the team lease india report, and the figure is 75% as per NASSCOM. We can't just sit back and munch popcorns and blame everyone for our miseries.
The right thing is to make more security measures so that it won't happen again.
This is a serious issue, In 2007 the figure was 57% as per the team lease india report, and the figure is 75% as per NASSCOM. We can't just sit back and munch popcorns and blame everyone for our miseries.
Gourav replied to: Gourav
post - 02 Nov, 2009
post - 02 Nov, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Gourav
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
41:Beta, communication is not worth discussion
here, what we are concerned here is with
compatibility with software jobs in which we
are the best,with some exceptions.
and as far as communication is concerned, americans have worst english in the entire world.Sense of grammer is missing completly & still they feel they have good communications.Indians are on the better side.
and as far as communication is concerned, americans have worst english in the entire world.Sense of grammer is missing completly & still they feel they have good communications.Indians are on the better side.
Shrikant replied to: An American
post - 01 Nov, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Shrikant
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
43: First -> Americans have the bucks you are
after. What a stupid reply to blame the
Americans for bad english in
communications.
Lift the handle and try to talk to an indian if you are from UK, US, Australia, ... In 80 percent you are not able to understand your counterpart even if you are a native speaker.
Lift the handle and try to talk to an indian if you are from UK, US, Australia, ... In 80 percent you are not able to understand your counterpart even if you are a native speaker.
matthias replied to: Shrikant
post - 02 Nov, 2009
post - 02 Nov, 2009
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post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
45:Hi,
More than Indians being incompetant i would argue that incompetant persons from all over the world get a chance to work in the US .This is due to the fact that H1b program is flawed and checks only for degrees .There are degree churning factories in the third world and most of this output dont even have basic maths or science skills. For computer engineers to get into US , the US should create a program or criteria (like MCSD , SCEA etc ) that would filter talent but it should not insist on degrees for this.That way US will get some smart guys who have Qualifications validated by US companies and if they also have degrees that is a plus.
More than Indians being incompetant i would argue that incompetant persons from all over the world get a chance to work in the US .This is due to the fact that H1b program is flawed and checks only for degrees .There are degree churning factories in the third world and most of this output dont even have basic maths or science skills. For computer engineers to get into US , the US should create a program or criteria (like MCSD , SCEA etc ) that would filter talent but it should not insist on degrees for this.That way US will get some smart guys who have Qualifications validated by US companies and if they also have degrees that is a plus.
Anil replied to: An American
post - 01 Nov, 2009
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post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
47: I think this is the right time when we can
stop counting the nails in others' tyres and
start fixing our flat tyres.
What US should do or what they shouldn't do is neither of our concern or a source of bread and butter. Let's start improving our standards.
What US should do or what they shouldn't do is neither of our concern or a source of bread and butter. Let's start improving our standards.
Gourav Mahajan replied to: Anil
post - 02 Nov, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Gourav
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
49:I strongly agree to the gentleman's words Not
because he'a a american. I would like to ask
each and ever person how many of the people
wholive in this sillicon valley city that the
people who migrated from other states to
bangalore, are they really learning the
correct stuff and are they learning english
and putting it in correct form.
Working as a teacher n one of the reputed colleges. My students be in whatever department they ma be hardly 15 % people only speak english the rest speak in their own native and they are not bothered to speak in English which is an International language.
I see in a long term prospective that English should be made compulsory in almost all colleges across the country as a subject.
Working as a teacher n one of the reputed colleges. My students be in whatever department they ma be hardly 15 % people only speak english the rest speak in their own native and they are not bothered to speak in English which is an International language.
I see in a long term prospective that English should be made compulsory in almost all colleges across the country as a subject.
Jothivasu replied to: An American
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Jothivasu
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
51: Made the same experiences at several colleges
when I was teaching over there ...
(Was invited to do so two years back and was also teaching all over europe incl. UK)
(Was invited to do so two years back and was also teaching all over europe incl. UK)
matthias replied to: Jothivasu
post - 02 Nov, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: matthias
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
53: I truly agree with NASSCOM. I am a project
manager in my company and take interviews of
freshers from many colleges. They just don't
have the right attitude and right skills to
work in the corporate world. They assume that
just a mere degree is enough to get a job.
It is a simple example, when we go to buy a product and don't get our requirements fulfilled by that product, we either don't buy that or buy that on a very less price. Same goes with hiring process. When a company seeks services from a job seeker, they look for some requirements, and when they are not fulfilled they simply reject them. I have even stopped taking interviews of freshers after some bad experiences.
I can't waste the time and money of my organization on half baked talent. Imagine yourself running a company, would you ever feel like hiring the MBA's or so called ER's of our colleges?
It is a simple example, when we go to buy a product and don't get our requirements fulfilled by that product, we either don't buy that or buy that on a very less price. Same goes with hiring process. When a company seeks services from a job seeker, they look for some requirements, and when they are not fulfilled they simply reject them. I have even stopped taking interviews of freshers after some bad experiences.
I can't waste the time and money of my organization on half baked talent. Imagine yourself running a company, would you ever feel like hiring the MBA's or so called ER's of our colleges?
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Gourav
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
55:I agree with Gourav,But where is the problem,
1000s of private engg college, they just
provide degree, they do not add any value to
the students,their infrastructure and
admission process is 3rd grade, i can see
everyone is able to get engg seat eventhough
we do not have enough 10+2 schools in the
country, that why so many unemployable.
Ajit Singh replied to: Gourav Mahajan
post - 01 Nov, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Ajit
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
57: Dr. APJ Abdul Kalam and Lal Bahadur Shastri
never had a first class infrastructure for
education or travel.
I hope our so called patriots in this forum must have read about him, when he used to swim a river everyday to reach his school.
APJ completed his studies by selling newspapers.
The problem is not lack of resources, it is the lack of resourcefulness.
I don't expect every fresh engineer to be like them, but it is just a question of a respectable job anyways.
I hope our so called patriots in this forum must have read about him, when he used to swim a river everyday to reach his school.
APJ completed his studies by selling newspapers.
The problem is not lack of resources, it is the lack of resourcefulness.
I don't expect every fresh engineer to be like them, but it is just a question of a respectable job anyways.
Gourav Mahajan replied to: Ajit Singh
post - 02 Nov, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Gourav
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
59: We should not relate this issue with 1947
days, today engg. education is just a
business and nothing, How every 10+2 passed
person can get egg seat, even i saw few
people failed their 12th exame but they
receive admission offer from private engg.
college, no entrance examination required,
and they have very flexible marking system in
engg. semester exam(specially in internal
labs etc..)
If we wants to bring quality then private engg. college must ban.
If we wants to bring quality then private engg. college must ban.
Ajit Singh replied to: Gourav Mahajan
post - 02 Nov, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Ajit
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
61: hi
Kenny KMP replied to: Ajit Singh
post - 28 Mar, 2010
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Kenny
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
63:HI,
Many of the Project Managers /Architects/CEO etc are real dumbos too .Infact 60% of so called experianced software professionals are totally non technical/mis- fits and thrive due to a environment of chamchagiri and regionalism. I can surely say that Indian software industry is doomed in the long run due to this .By the way i have been in Indian IT for 14 years and now i am seriously looking to flee India by getting some visibility doing Open source work.
Many of the Project Managers /Architects/CEO etc are real dumbos too .Infact 60% of so called experianced software professionals are totally non technical/mis- fits and thrive due to a environment of chamchagiri and regionalism. I can surely say that Indian software industry is doomed in the long run due to this .By the way i have been in Indian IT for 14 years and now i am seriously looking to flee India by getting some visibility doing Open source work.
Anil replied to: Gourav Mahajan
post - 01 Nov, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Anil
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
65: What you call chamchagiri is famously known
as INTERPERSONAL SKILLS or BEHAVIOURIAL
SKILLS, which lack in many people even after
getting good jobs.
They forget that after getting a job, the next challenge infront of them is to save the job and further to get success in it. Technical Skills are not enough to get success. You should also be a "people person".
It is just the case of different perceptions buddy. Like they say the crowd in a local train of mumbai creates congestion for us and similar crowd in a night club seems like a cool environment to many.
They forget that after getting a job, the next challenge infront of them is to save the job and further to get success in it. Technical Skills are not enough to get success. You should also be a "people person".
It is just the case of different perceptions buddy. Like they say the crowd in a local train of mumbai creates congestion for us and similar crowd in a night club seems like a cool environment to many.
Gourav Mahajan replied to: Anil
post - 01 Nov, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Gourav
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
67: what ever said in the article is excatly
correct. nowdays education is a business in
college where a student will buy a degree
but he is fit for nothing. education sytem in
india should be changed. engg students a
produced more in india and many of them have
no attitude to work in corporate. but they
need laks of salary but work as they wish .
if they have right skill they can earn more
but many of then don know that. prime matter
is money with out knowledge and skill. in
college just getting a degree with out
knowledge is mere waste. the company instead
of selecting and giving offer in third year
of graduation , the company can give projects
and give less stipend train them in
particular domain. both can be benefited
company as well as student.
shankar replied to: Gourav Mahajan
post - 01 Nov, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: shankar
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
69: I am not relating the issue with 1947 dude,
All i meant to say was "self-reliance" and
resourcefulness.
The only difference between these great people and many of us is the only fact that they didn't stop themselves despite of diverse conditions and kept moving forward.
Conditions are more diverse now, so the efforts should be stronger, right?
Todays generation cry for more resources and wait for others to come and help them.
The only difference between these great people and many of us is the only fact that they didn't stop themselves despite of diverse conditions and kept moving forward.
Conditions are more diverse now, so the efforts should be stronger, right?
Todays generation cry for more resources and wait for others to come and help them.
Gourav Mahajan replied to: Ajit Singh
post - 02 Nov, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Gourav
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
71: What NASSCOM says is the language of money
greedy corporate giants. It takes years of
hardwork ano become an engineer and even MBA.
After of them arending lakhs of rupees of
parents. If someone says that 75%e of them
are unemployale. Then i swill recomend that
pick the talent right after the school. Make
them engineer and MBA by sponsoring thier
education,fooding and lodging. Even govt
organizations like Indian Armed
forces,railway also do like so. They have set
up prestigious Armed Forces Medical College
in PUNE. Also reputed engineering institutes.
In this slowdown scenario companies are
following many unethical practices to harras
employees mainly the new joinees. So that
they should quihemselves. Where does this
NASSCOM goes then? Had th ey made any
guidelines for the rights and concerns of the
employees. True thing is that a large no of
companies come to our loving country INDIA
just to hire low cost techies.One of the
person here has rightly termed it as IT
Coolies. I just want to ask one quetion from
NASSCOM that whether they have any provision
for supporting the life of those
professionals who are forced to resign and
sometimes bluntly fired from these so called
brilliant companies? For GODs sake please do
not speak the language of greedy companies. A
large number ofcomapnies in INDIA are however
not affected by economic slowdown. But still
they have made the propaganda to save the
cost. I am just narrating the concerns of
youth of our lovely country INDIA.
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Vivek
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
73:Your article is indeed very disturbing but
true. The average Indian student, be it in
school or in college, has always been taught
the three basic mantras in school and at
home. Mug up, vomit and forget. The whole
education system is oriented only towards
scoring marks, with almost no emphasis being
given on gathering knowledge or improving
communication skill sets.
I have been an English Language Teacher (I repeat language teacher and not subject teacher)for almost 10 years now and what I find is a pathetically poor standards in English Communication, cutting across a vast majority of students. Unless this improves I am sure the situation will continue to be what it is.
I have been an English Language Teacher (I repeat language teacher and not subject teacher)for almost 10 years now and what I find is a pathetically poor standards in English Communication, cutting across a vast majority of students. Unless this improves I am sure the situation will continue to be what it is.
R.Srinivasan replied to: Vivek
post - 01 Nov, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: R.Srinivasan
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
75: You say that ytou've been an english language
teacher and accentuate on the word
'language' Have you ever thought of teaching
your students more than what governs "english
language"? Does it ALSO not call on your
conscience about WHAT IS YOUR EXTRA
CONTRIBUTION to the children - who (in ALL
countries) are willing and thirsty of
learning more? It's NOT just the system of
"mug up - vomit - forget" BUT it's also a
lack of OUR LETHARGIC ATTITUDE. As a teacher
if you gave more - wouldn't your school
children learn more?
anjan replied to: R.Srinivasan
post - 02 Nov, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: anjan
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
77:If you are a fresher looking out for job,
then I would suggest you to start upgrading
your skills. Yes, the time is bad these days,
but it will change, but by that time, the
technologies now in use would not be used
anymore. New technologies will take their
place.
Freshers have a general problem of attitude. They think that a piece of paper, named as degree, would be enough to get a job of 50K. The skills that they have got in college's books would help them getting a respectable job in MNC's.
Start your own business and then try hiring man-power dude. You will know the reality when you have to give 20K salary to someone who doesn't even deserve 2K. It hurts.
Freshers have a general problem of attitude. They think that a piece of paper, named as degree, would be enough to get a job of 50K. The skills that they have got in college's books would help them getting a respectable job in MNC's.
Start your own business and then try hiring man-power dude. You will know the reality when you have to give 20K salary to someone who doesn't even deserve 2K. It hurts.
Gourav Mahajan replied to: Vivek
post - 01 Nov, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Gourav
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
79: Perfectly said ! I run a small software
company and hire developers regularly. I have
reached the following 4 conclusions after 6-7
years of experience :
1. Freshers are actually unemployable. They need to develop job related skills before they even apply.
2. Each candidate should be good in written and spoken English - this is very important and not true with the current bunch of freshers we regularly interview. This is a SERIOUS drawback.
3.Each fresher thinks, their degree or diploma itself would ensure a job - this again is a serious misconception.
4. Freshers, if employed, look for shortcuts in order to attempt to rise fast on the corporate ladder. This is not advisable or successful.
I am ready to pay a good salary to a competent fresher but none are available. They are all short of the required skills. And it's a shame because the opportunities are still out here, the relevant people are not.
1. Freshers are actually unemployable. They need to develop job related skills before they even apply.
2. Each candidate should be good in written and spoken English - this is very important and not true with the current bunch of freshers we regularly interview. This is a SERIOUS drawback.
3.Each fresher thinks, their degree or diploma itself would ensure a job - this again is a serious misconception.
4. Freshers, if employed, look for shortcuts in order to attempt to rise fast on the corporate ladder. This is not advisable or successful.
I am ready to pay a good salary to a competent fresher but none are available. They are all short of the required skills. And it's a shame because the opportunities are still out here, the relevant people are not.
Ajay replied to: Gourav Mahajan
post - 03 Nov, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Ajay
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
81: Well said buddy. I couldn't have said it in a
better way.
Gourav Mahajan replied to: R.Srinivasan
post - 02 Nov, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Gourav
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
83: This comment that Indian Engineers at 75% and
90% of graduates are not good enough to be
trained is to be considered proposterous,
highly defamatory and insulting since the
highly prodigal Indians, that too with meagre
population and high standard of education (It
happens only in India that one room and
apartment university culture) offering
B.Tech, and highly skilled Tech courses
happens. With standards of Indian
Engineering and other subjects on par with
International standards, the world and
NASSCOM must have been envious/jealous of
this growth.
Entire world and NASSCOM must have hatched plans, plots, so as to employ Engineers and graduates in Indian Industry from abroad. An otherwise highly efficient education system pas 60 years and abundance of discipline, scanty population and heavily developed minds of Indians should have been the cause of bone of contention.
One last resort is to recognize the Indian talent abroad and introduction of world deprived Indian reservation, NASSCOM reservation for this deprivation.
Entire world and NASSCOM must have hatched plans, plots, so as to employ Engineers and graduates in Indian Industry from abroad. An otherwise highly efficient education system pas 60 years and abundance of discipline, scanty population and heavily developed minds of Indians should have been the cause of bone of contention.
One last resort is to recognize the Indian talent abroad and introduction of world deprived Indian reservation, NASSCOM reservation for this deprivation.
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: elite
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
85: This is total crap.Typical NASSCOM spin.INFY
has increased training duration as it does
not have projects to absorb all these
guys.and all infy chaps know that the
training has nothing to with the project you
are finally allocated.
Instead of dishing out such fake studies , why does nasscom do a study on the shoddy and arbit recruitment practices of the IT companies.there have been numerous cases of engineers making it to institutions like BARC , ISRO but not into IT sector solely on account of lack of so called "soft skills" in GD and interview stage.what sort of selection system is this that rejects a bits/nit engineer and selects a engineer from god-forsaken university because the latter speaks nicely.are we evaluating engineering skill or selecting receptionists...
Instead of dishing out such fake studies , why does nasscom do a study on the shoddy and arbit recruitment practices of the IT companies.there have been numerous cases of engineers making it to institutions like BARC , ISRO but not into IT sector solely on account of lack of so called "soft skills" in GD and interview stage.what sort of selection system is this that rejects a bits/nit engineer and selects a engineer from god-forsaken university because the latter speaks nicely.are we evaluating engineering skill or selecting receptionists...
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post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
87:Yes its a total crap, but of NASSCOM and rest
of world!
Fake studies be dished out ? is that prodigal Indian or genius to be dished out ? No brain drain pls.
BARC, ISRO, INFOSYS, Wipro etc, are protecting the prodigy and genius! Thats why they speak nicely, you name it they nice it, sorry mice it.
Fake studies be dished out ? is that prodigal Indian or genius to be dished out ? No brain drain pls.
BARC, ISRO, INFOSYS, Wipro etc, are protecting the prodigy and genius! Thats why they speak nicely, you name it they nice it, sorry mice it.
elite venkat replied to: Ajit
post - 01 Nov, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: elite
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
89: Hmm ...
So we wanted to train the freshers and provide opportunities in Europe but stopped it after two batches (only). The success rate was poor as only approx. 10 percent of the freshers were able to survive the exams (which were regular ones of an governmental University in Germany) and there was not the slightest chance to pass them into any of the companies we know.
So why was it like that. It was a mixture made of several things. The first thing was: as there is huge demand so why should the individual give it's very best. Only very few did (the 10 percent), the others tried to get through it somehow but failed.
Next thing was: Why should I give my very best as I can buy whatever testate for cheap money everywhere (all these fake things you can get everywhere in Bangalore). I (a german) know german HR guys from SAP coming back completely down with their nerves due to all this fake things they have been faced with and senselessly sitting with candidates not able to do the easiest tasks.
Last thing was the complete lack of any interest from professors side to improve the level of their students, they simply didnt do anything to increase the chances of their students to find a job. At the end almost 60 percent of the students were still unemployed after one year.
Oh, did I mention the program was for free, it was well recognized in Indian media and german news. Check this: http://www.brockhaus-gruppe.de/index.php/fors chung-lehre/indische-universitaten/
The clip at the end is in german but you will get the idea.
It was for getting the fast bucks, it was about finding the right people to fit into the jobs.
Whatever readers comment is like: Dont blame the companies, the just ask for resources and students have to fit to the demand. It is that simple.
So we wanted to train the freshers and provide opportunities in Europe but stopped it after two batches (only). The success rate was poor as only approx. 10 percent of the freshers were able to survive the exams (which were regular ones of an governmental University in Germany) and there was not the slightest chance to pass them into any of the companies we know.
So why was it like that. It was a mixture made of several things. The first thing was: as there is huge demand so why should the individual give it's very best. Only very few did (the 10 percent), the others tried to get through it somehow but failed.
Next thing was: Why should I give my very best as I can buy whatever testate for cheap money everywhere (all these fake things you can get everywhere in Bangalore). I (a german) know german HR guys from SAP coming back completely down with their nerves due to all this fake things they have been faced with and senselessly sitting with candidates not able to do the easiest tasks.
Last thing was the complete lack of any interest from professors side to improve the level of their students, they simply didnt do anything to increase the chances of their students to find a job. At the end almost 60 percent of the students were still unemployed after one year.
Oh, did I mention the program was for free, it was well recognized in Indian media and german news. Check this: http://www.brockhaus-gruppe.de/index.php/fors chung-lehre/indische-universitaten/
The clip at the end is in german but you will get the idea.
It was for getting the fast bucks, it was about finding the right people to fit into the jobs.
Whatever readers comment is like: Dont blame the companies, the just ask for resources and students have to fit to the demand. It is that simple.
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post - 01 May, 2010
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91:Hi,
I agree with you. Here everybody claims that they know everything under the sun and there is tendancy to overule experianced guys because they cost more and taking them would affect the profitability of the company. They push in freshers and end up with egg on their face .Indian companies should stop thinking that they can take foreign companies for a ride by pushing freshers and incompetant guys as experts.By doing so they are destroying the future of many competant people in India. I squarely blame infosys , wipro for this culture of pushing freshers as experianced hands.
I agree with you. Here everybody claims that they know everything under the sun and there is tendancy to overule experianced guys because they cost more and taking them would affect the profitability of the company. They push in freshers and end up with egg on their face .Indian companies should stop thinking that they can take foreign companies for a ride by pushing freshers and incompetant guys as experts.By doing so they are destroying the future of many competant people in India. I squarely blame infosys , wipro for this culture of pushing freshers as experianced hands.
Anil replied to: matthias
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Anil
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
93: Yep, you're so right.
I know people over here refusing to work with indians because they simply have to do 60 percent of their work as well. These indian guys are staffed into the teams just for the reason of lower prices ...
Take two minutes and think where this will end... (as there is only little demand from India itself).
I know people over here refusing to work with indians because they simply have to do 60 percent of their work as well. These indian guys are staffed into the teams just for the reason of lower prices ...
Take two minutes and think where this will end... (as there is only little demand from India itself).
matthias replied to: Anil
post - 02 Nov, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: matthias
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
95: The mindset of the
Students,Parents,teachers,.. should change.
Scroing good marks in exams alone can not
make them through. All through the Childhood
to College it is being put in "good marks =
good future". The students should change,
Parents should change, teachers should
change, so on.
Ultimately the Ploicy makers would find the need to change.
Ultimately the Ploicy makers would find the need to change.
Posted by: M Murali - 31 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: M
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
97:Totally agree with you. But the problem is
with system too. Today many big companies ask
for 75% through out or so. Students just keep
rushing for marks and forget what the hell
they are learning in tech. Even if the
student has very sound tech knowledge +
communication skills but doesn't have good
score, he won't be allowed even to appear in
entry level tests/interviews.
rahul replied to: M Murali
post - 01 Nov, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: rahul
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
99:yes why only mindset, the radiosets have also
changed in India past 60 years. You
understand its not sporadical though, but
transcedantal, slowly but surely from ugly to
worst, from worst to too bad, from too bad to
not so bad, bad to hopeless, hopeless to
okay, okay to good and looo there Indians are
at International Level! Expect complete
change in no less than a billion years.
Foresee a bright future where every Indian,
only Indian and all Indianness everywhere.
elite venkat replied to: M Murali
post - 01 Nov, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: elite
post - 01 May, 2010
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101: this is because of our education system. the
students are not taught the basics and also
how to solve practical problems.
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: subrata
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
103: Hi it is true, my friends in hp education is
try to fill this gap. They have so far
trained 4000 students in the line of industry
requirement. Any one who is interest can join
next training program in Jan 2010 in Noida,
Lucknow,Bhopal & Mohali.
Mail@ mukesh@hpesindia.com
Mail@ mukesh@hpesindia.com
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Ravi
post - 01 May, 2010
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105: A pathetic situation! It has to be changed.
Posted by: Prof G Damodar - 31 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Prof
post - 01 May, 2010
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107: Yes, this is right due to wrong selection
policy of Company HR Managers. If I am
talking about the quality, it also lies in
Correspondence/Open University Students or
less than 60% marks students, but companies
never going to select those students on these
issues. Until there modify their selection
process, they are getting such problems. I am
also facing such problem, due to
Correspondence course, although I know that I
can compete all candidates in development
sector.....
Posted by: Mrityunjay Kumar - 31 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Mrityunjay
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
109:Mr.Mritunjay Kumar, The problem does not lie
with HR managers as you think. The real
problem lies in our education system which
just produces Graduates and most of them
cannot clain any proficiency. This is true
for every branch of the study be it
Engineering, Science, Accounting, or
Commerce. As a Chartered Accountant I find
99% of the Commerce Graduates do not know any
thing in accounts when I interview them. Even
those who have scored 90% are not able to
answer even basic questions. This is
pathetic.
MOHAN S replied to: Mrityunjay Kumar
post - 31 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: MOHAN
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
111: You are right. The education system
now-a-days is highly competitive in nature,
and educational institutions give training
just how to achieve maximum number of marks.
Students don't know what the basic is, and
this is why they fail when they face the real
interview.
The objective of most of the students is just to get a job after graduation for which they think that higher percentage of marks is more than enough. In fact, they need specific goals in mind, effective training and a will to work hard in meeting the real challenge. Success in job is achieved once a candidate accommodates company's objectives whole-heartedly.
The objective of most of the students is just to get a job after graduation for which they think that higher percentage of marks is more than enough. In fact, they need specific goals in mind, effective training and a will to work hard in meeting the real challenge. Success in job is achieved once a candidate accommodates company's objectives whole-heartedly.
Sudhakaran replied to: MOHAN S
post - 31 Oct, 2009
post - 31 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Sudhakaran
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
113: In my opinion governement should make such
syllebus which would be mandatory applied in
all the enggr. institutes. One syllebus
should be for all the students , who belongs
to any states, any college or any institute.
Also all the Professors should be appointed
by the single board or organization with same
terms & conditions so that all the
students can be perfect trained in their
fields wihtout any reservations or any type
of favour. I agree with that point that
standard of any institute should be checked
& monitered time to time in prescribed
period also.
Posted by: sudha - 31 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: sudha
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
115: Ofcourse,there are very few colleges which
have the proper infra to create good
graduates.But, I would like to know how
NASSCOM came to such a conclusion or
figure.How do you people say - 70%, 65% and
so n so are ineligible.I don't think even
NASSCOM has proper scale to tell this and you
can't tell a graduate as un-employable
depending upon the college and university he
studied in.I saw good number of people who
are average in academics doing really good
than the peers from so called excellent
colleges(Grade-A institutions).And the INDIAN
system always goes by the college where you
studied.By giving such meaningless figures
you are just trying to fool some one or just
trying to impress some one.Till you come out
with proper scale to measure the
employability - these are just useless words.
I don't think, media need to concentrate on
these words.
Posted by: Hemanth - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Hemanth
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
117:absolutely right.. i go with u
rajesh replied to: Hemanth
post - 31 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: rajesh
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
119: even when you consider universities like
mumbai university,the students lack knowledge
about the subject due to private coaching
classes which give readymade study
material.rarely does any student study a
subject books,there are notes and the
previous paper solutions to rescue.
Posted by: rohan rodrigues - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: rohan
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
121:i think the solution to this that the
syllabus should be updated every academic
year n the exam papers should have more
analytical problems than theory
rohan rodrigues replied to: rohan rodrigues
post - 30 Oct, 2009
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: rohan
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
123: this report tells the truth of the failure of
our education system.increasing number of
colleges and seats led to this type of
situation .in many states such as west bengal
tamilnadu and orissa many colleges opened
since the year 2000 ,but what about there
quality there infrastructure.aicte onlyu
gives the approval without having the
knowledge of what the college has to give.
education is now totally a business.in colleges student passes without studying how?? thats the question how they complete such a large syllabus. there are lots and many more questions to be answered.
education is now totally a business.in colleges student passes without studying how?? thats the question how they complete such a large syllabus. there are lots and many more questions to be answered.
Posted by: vishal kumar - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: vishal
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
125: It is sure that we produce graduates and
postgraduates many in number. But the real
fact is that most of the students lack
confidence, and not able to face challenges
in different levels. They are not able to
work under pressure on many occassions.
Companies need people who work for them and
for their satisfaction. Basic education in
facing challenges in life is required from
root level. It starts from parents, then from
school, college and surroundings. Real
education is not fully attained from school
and college education, it is obtained from
society also. Parents need to show the way
for their children.
Posted by: Sudhakaran - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Sudhakaran
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
127:I entirely agree with what you say and I wish
some one start doing in this direction and I
volunteer to contribute my time if we can
start some sort of a training center or some
such initiative. There is no point in simply
condemning or crticising others.
MOHAN S replied to: Sudhakaran
post - 31 Oct, 2009
post - 31 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: MOHAN
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
129:We know the cause of student not getting
selected by campus recruiter that are "Lack
of Qualitative Faculties, Management Cost
saving idea, Discrimination among students of
different courses run by the college,Lack of
opportunity" etc. Causes are many but
solutions are not a single one. When auditing
of colleges happen students know very well if
they say infront of auditors, negative impact
will be there in his/her result. Another
cause is mushrooming no of colleges and
schools, parents don't pay attention on their
result and don't complain to the teachers
about how they teach etc. One of the major
cause is also gov. is not so much focussed on
increasing literacy rate, only by funding
won't work, they need to be properly
supervised time and again.
Jaykant Singh replied to: Sudhakaran
post - 31 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Jaykant
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
131: The talent is available.
The problem is with the recruitment policies followed in the IT companies. They take people on reference. The persons working inside the company, HR, technical persons influence the selection of the candidate. So, there will be a performance problem.
If somebody wants talent he should search in the open market. Open market only provides good talent. Next, problem is verification. Generally, most of the people who work for bigger companies will have less knowledge. Every body want s to manage the project, but nobody knows how to solve the problem.
The people selection has to take place with open mind, ans no bias. Then only this problem may be solved. We can also try to give practical emphsis in our education system.
IT industry in India, is not technically capable of solving the problems. That is why they are blaming that talent is not available.
The problem is with the recruitment policies followed in the IT companies. They take people on reference. The persons working inside the company, HR, technical persons influence the selection of the candidate. So, there will be a performance problem.
If somebody wants talent he should search in the open market. Open market only provides good talent. Next, problem is verification. Generally, most of the people who work for bigger companies will have less knowledge. Every body want s to manage the project, but nobody knows how to solve the problem.
The people selection has to take place with open mind, ans no bias. Then only this problem may be solved. We can also try to give practical emphsis in our education system.
IT industry in India, is not technically capable of solving the problems. That is why they are blaming that talent is not available.
Posted by: Rudrappa - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Rudrappa
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
133: That is very correctly said. It had already
been a matter of debate about the steep decay
of knowledge base of indian engineers. This
is all about transformation of education into
buisness. The crux in Engineering subjects
& syllabus has vanished. What has left
behind is the one-night mugging up
philosphy.What students preparing today is
aptitudes & reasoning, that was a natural
possession of early engineers.
Under such conditions, how can one deserve an engineer fit enough for an industry. .
Indian engineers especially the new generation, have enough talent,mind & potential to challenge any limit. What they only need is a proper guidance & training. Indians being leader in IT proves the fact.Training becomes a necessity if they want to be enqueued in professionals category.
NASSCOM is very correct if it is concerned with untrained engineers.
Indian engineers should also understand that it is useless to be dependent on others.They are masters in themselves & should better ignitiate themselves with little support from already established professionals in industry.
Under such conditions, how can one deserve an engineer fit enough for an industry. .
Indian engineers especially the new generation, have enough talent,mind & potential to challenge any limit. What they only need is a proper guidance & training. Indians being leader in IT proves the fact.Training becomes a necessity if they want to be enqueued in professionals category.
NASSCOM is very correct if it is concerned with untrained engineers.
Indian engineers should also understand that it is useless to be dependent on others.They are masters in themselves & should better ignitiate themselves with little support from already established professionals in industry.
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Shrikant
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
135: One of the 90% obviously wrote this article.
It was nearly unreadable from typing errors.
The essay lacks depth and insight into the
questions it raises, and lacks any sourcing
of its claims.
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Jim
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
137: what to say: It is just a jealous feeling,
that India can not be a super power in IT.
They are just using the fake and waste tricks
to discourage us.
Every one knows clearly what the talent have in Indian Graduates. It does not require any research or any survey. It is a hypothesis, and world accepted it.
I just want to know one thing from NASSCOM if it is true why INDIA became one of the best competitor in the world.
Every one knows clearly what the talent have in Indian Graduates. It does not require any research or any survey. It is a hypothesis, and world accepted it.
I just want to know one thing from NASSCOM if it is true why INDIA became one of the best competitor in the world.
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: pawan
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
139:look friend,even im an indian and i like
india the most.but its not like if u like
india u must trun all its -v's to +v's n try
n convence others.Tell me how many of indians
comming out of graduation u think r really
gud at their basics(at the least) i wd say
not many (
krishna replied to: pawan
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: krishna
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
141:The standard of "English" in this reply is
appalling - ample evidence indeed that the
90% of Indian college graduates who consider
themselves as superior beings are sadly
deluded.
Graham replied to: pawan
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Graham
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
143: you cannot become an engineer by scoring 2%
in Physics or Maths .. there is something
called fundamentals ... We will keep on
scratching on the lower end of the value
chain and keep day dreaming of being a IT
super power .. it is so different .. sorry
for being so rude .. and NASSCOM should just
drop an "N" in their name
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: tookut
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
145: I think solution does exist, and that is what
few companies are trying to do. One of these
companies are http://gradtain.com, which is
poised to become huge given the demand gap
and market opportunity
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Ashish
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
147: With humility I express my points, hopefully
succinctly.
(1) Most of the letters here STILL display somewhat a lack of Good command of communicating in English. If that is how some people write, how do you think some of them SOUND? This is at least a representation of you who at least are way ahead of those who are unemployable.
(2) It is rather a shame that in India, where "coaching" is the norm for students right from early school years. WHY?
Obviously, the teaching system is dumb, getting dumber, when all sorts of so-called "Colleges" and "Institutes" come up based on their strength of bribes paid for the licenses and NOT for the QUALITY of teaching offered.
(3) Think on this - "Those cannot do, teach".
I used to feel bad that did my primary schooling in Uganda, (no coaching!) and I did not attend UG studies in India and instead studied at Nairobi, Kenya. Now, I'm really glad I did that.
There's much more to say or do. Individually or collectively, it is must be everyone's CONSCIOUS effort to change the system from the grass roots level. You have to change the INPUT not the OUTPUT ...... it's alraedy out, mostly irreparable.
(1) Most of the letters here STILL display somewhat a lack of Good command of communicating in English. If that is how some people write, how do you think some of them SOUND? This is at least a representation of you who at least are way ahead of those who are unemployable.
(2) It is rather a shame that in India, where "coaching" is the norm for students right from early school years. WHY?
Obviously, the teaching system is dumb, getting dumber, when all sorts of so-called "Colleges" and "Institutes" come up based on their strength of bribes paid for the licenses and NOT for the QUALITY of teaching offered.
(3) Think on this - "Those cannot do, teach".
I used to feel bad that did my primary schooling in Uganda, (no coaching!) and I did not attend UG studies in India and instead studied at Nairobi, Kenya. Now, I'm really glad I did that.
There's much more to say or do. Individually or collectively, it is must be everyone's CONSCIOUS effort to change the system from the grass roots level. You have to change the INPUT not the OUTPUT ...... it's alraedy out, mostly irreparable.
Posted by: Arun Bhojani - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Arun
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
149: SUB:NECESSITY-DEMAND-CURIOSITY-SUATAIN
I very much wish that MASSCOM listens to realistic assessment- Even 75 percent of professors -include IITs-IISC
are not prepared for facing the issues- INDUSTRY NEEDS-
Long time back Electrical Industry groups in Bangalore wanted to represent and protest - to IISC - regarding their needs. The matter came with all seriousness.If the professors hide under theories-what an Industry will get?
If they do not support Inventors- How does transfer of Indigenous tEchnologies find the INSPIRATION-SEED?
This is two-Three decades history that should open the eyes!
Please get out of bureaucrat set of minds- Be realistic
and get organised- before we become a laugh-stock. You are training Engineers as saleman and not Professonals. Where is Competancy-Where are Opportunities for Growth ? Identify Next Up-link Structure. Learn from Europeans.Vidyardhi Nanduri
I very much wish that MASSCOM listens to realistic assessment- Even 75 percent of professors -include IITs-IISC
are not prepared for facing the issues- INDUSTRY NEEDS-
Long time back Electrical Industry groups in Bangalore wanted to represent and protest - to IISC - regarding their needs. The matter came with all seriousness.If the professors hide under theories-what an Industry will get?
If they do not support Inventors- How does transfer of Indigenous tEchnologies find the INSPIRATION-SEED?
This is two-Three decades history that should open the eyes!
Please get out of bureaucrat set of minds- Be realistic
and get organised- before we become a laugh-stock. You are training Engineers as saleman and not Professonals. Where is Competancy-Where are Opportunities for Growth ? Identify Next Up-link Structure. Learn from Europeans.Vidyardhi Nanduri
Posted by: Vidyardhi Nanduri - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Vidyardhi
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
151: 29 weeks of training and still not satisfied
with the trainees. That says a lot about the
training quality - not so much about the
trainees. Some decent trainers should get
the job done in 4-5 weeks - for most
trainees, who come from engg./MSc/MCA/etc.
backgrounds.
Posted by: Atul - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Atul
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
153:Atul,
The infosys, TCS and Wipro and other IT companies - on paper show the need for 7 months - they swamp the easy Gandhiji Currency notes from the tax departments - corporate taxes refunds - Tax payer's money - leave India poor and people and common man desperate.
For that matter - Dr. Narayana Murthy - is not technically a very competent man - nor is Premji nor any of the trade founders. They climb on the credentials of the hard working
IT professionals - who sweat on the key board.
What training can Dr, Naryan Murthy provide - when it comes to innovation ? He only can renovate his building - after all Mrs, Suda Murthy is an architect - it helps someone in the family to keep their skills used ....
Government needs money for elections and Nethigiri - these traders swim in their tank to benefit from their ignorance and arrogance of power - that spins money.Worse is yet to come if Income Tax audits are done effectively and critically in real time and terms.
Bnatwal Srinivas Pradeep Nayak
Pradeep
The infosys, TCS and Wipro and other IT companies - on paper show the need for 7 months - they swamp the easy Gandhiji Currency notes from the tax departments - corporate taxes refunds - Tax payer's money - leave India poor and people and common man desperate.
For that matter - Dr. Narayana Murthy - is not technically a very competent man - nor is Premji nor any of the trade founders. They climb on the credentials of the hard working
IT professionals - who sweat on the key board.
What training can Dr, Naryan Murthy provide - when it comes to innovation ? He only can renovate his building - after all Mrs, Suda Murthy is an architect - it helps someone in the family to keep their skills used ....
Government needs money for elections and Nethigiri - these traders swim in their tank to benefit from their ignorance and arrogance of power - that spins money.Worse is yet to come if Income Tax audits are done effectively and critically in real time and terms.
Bnatwal Srinivas Pradeep Nayak
Pradeep
Bantwal Srinivas Pradeep Nyak replied to: Atul
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Bantwal
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
155:I think you have no idea about the kind of
training given by Infosys. Trainers are
certified Java professionals, working DBAs in
MNCs. They the best we can get in India and
believe it or not they are paid 20-25k for
one day.
This training is the best we can get in India at least. The whole training is devided in various modules and you have to pass each with 65% marks. Believe me getting those 65% is like scoring 90% in our 10th boards. So many trainees are expelled just because they can not clear these tests.
This training is the best we can get in India at least. The whole training is devided in various modules and you have to pass each with 65% marks. Believe me getting those 65% is like scoring 90% in our 10th boards. So many trainees are expelled just because they can not clear these tests.
abhishek replied to: Atul
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: abhishek
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
157: Hi Abhishek... I agree Infosys provides the
best training for its employees.. But the
problem is many of the Employees never work
on the technology they were trained... They
have to take a project based on
requirement.... Many people get frustrated
when they get a project after training where
they dont use any of the skills they learned
in the training... I feel 50% of the cost
spent on training is waste of money and
time.. instead of that they can actually
train the employees based on the requirement
rather than following fixed training plans.
BTW I am saying this becoz I was an employee
of Infosys and I never used any technology I
was trained on.. but I agree its the best
training I got..
Krishna replied to: abhishek
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Krishna
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
159: The real reason for not being able to put
engineers on the job right after graduation
is the methodology of education in our Indian
school system. It all theory without
applications.
I am seeing the difference of my schooling in India (private school) versus my children in the USA (public school).
Regarding Indian companies doing twice the training than American companies is bogus. I work for a professional World training organization and have seen Infosys, TCS, Satyam, Wipro etc only doing training if their American clients pay for it.
The author writing this is full of BS.
I am seeing the difference of my schooling in India (private school) versus my children in the USA (public school).
Regarding Indian companies doing twice the training than American companies is bogus. I work for a professional World training organization and have seen Infosys, TCS, Satyam, Wipro etc only doing training if their American clients pay for it.
The author writing this is full of BS.
Posted by: Lalita - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Lalita
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
161:Dear Lalita,
Can you be little more elaborate on your claim that US clients pay for Indian companies's trainees.
FYI these trainees are not even assigned to any client project till they finish the training. And many a times they have to wait for project even after finishing the training. Thats called "bench" in IT jargon.
I dont see any truth in your claim except ur dislike for indian IT power.
Can you be little more elaborate on your claim that US clients pay for Indian companies's trainees.
FYI these trainees are not even assigned to any client project till they finish the training. And many a times they have to wait for project even after finishing the training. Thats called "bench" in IT jargon.
I dont see any truth in your claim except ur dislike for indian IT power.
abhishek replied to: Lalita
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: abhishek
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
163: I think India needs to increase the quota
system to 100% and ban all intelligent
candidates for ever. Then TCS, Infosys can
easly hire people from USA or other countries
where merit alone is the reason for getting a
good college degree.
Posted by: Raj - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Raj
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
165:hello Raj, What you are trying to say is no
college in India has a merit basis selection
and every college in America selects its
students only on merit. Come to real world.
how come a ASIAN need to get a SAT score of
2000 to get into college and American need to
get SAY score of 1500 to get into college?
Every where there are problems in selection.
Subra Kondaveeti replied to: Raj
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Subra
post - 01 May, 2010
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167: I agree, some do, but a majority do not. Sad
that a country spends so much on education of
engineers but only 25% of that money is well
spent. Other 75% educates the so called
backward class and it is wasted.
Raj replied to: Subra Kondaveeti
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Raj
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
169: Hello Raj,
I understand your frustration but do you have facts that support your claim that "75% educates the so called backward class and it is wasted". Can you really look at the stories of all self made people. If you really wanna do something nothing can stop you. stop blaming the system or people around you. Decide and take a stand to develop yourself and others. Many can learn from you and this is the only step that can drive all of us further. Most of us lack this attitude and that is one of the major reasons why India is still a developing nation. Give it a thought and then start making statements.
I understand your frustration but do you have facts that support your claim that "75% educates the so called backward class and it is wasted". Can you really look at the stories of all self made people. If you really wanna do something nothing can stop you. stop blaming the system or people around you. Decide and take a stand to develop yourself and others. Many can learn from you and this is the only step that can drive all of us further. Most of us lack this attitude and that is one of the major reasons why India is still a developing nation. Give it a thought and then start making statements.
Priya replied to: Raj
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Priya
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
171: well said friend..u r right
shridhar replied to: Priya
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: shridhar
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
173:Buddu,
you are in India, its not a developed country like USA, more than that college (percentage)marks is not the only criteria to measure talents ok.
Regards
satish
Dubai
you are in India, its not a developed country like USA, more than that college (percentage)marks is not the only criteria to measure talents ok.
Regards
satish
Dubai
satish replied to: Raj
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: satish
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
175: and it will never be a developed nation if
our administration remains the way it is
now.wasting public tax money on haj
concessions,reservations will take the
country nowhere and create the kind of
graduates who will be a burden to the
education system and the emplyement sector of
the country
tester replied to: satish
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: tester
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
177: To be on the bench is not only because of
untrained people. There are lots of more
factors and as per me "not well trained" is
only 5-10% of that.
Posted by: Prashant Priyadarshi - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Prashant
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
179:
so what are the other reasons?
vague and incomplete answers are worse than no answer at all!
so what are the other reasons?
vague and incomplete answers are worse than no answer at all!
Amar replied to: Prashant Priyadarshi
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Amar
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
181: I heard that for a CMM Level 5 company, it is
mandatory that some percentage of people must
be on bench. This helps when the company gets
a project which requires more number of
resources. This way the company can show the
client that they have enough resources to
start the project immediately.
Krishna replied to: Amar
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Krishna
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
183: Amar, I think you have no idea how indian IT
companies work.
Bench is not given to "not well trained". It is given when there are no project where any more resource can be required. Business decides the bench for employees. Moreover sometimes even your bench strength helps you winning new contract from clients as they are assured that there wont be any lack of resource.
Bench is not given to "not well trained". It is given when there are no project where any more resource can be required. Business decides the bench for employees. Moreover sometimes even your bench strength helps you winning new contract from clients as they are assured that there wont be any lack of resource.
abhishek replied to: Amar
post - 30 Oct, 2009
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: abhishek
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
185: actually we r not getting practical knowledge
in engineering colleges.we just mug up the
things before exams n write da paper.i think
that's the main reason why we r lacking the
quality education...
Posted by: akash agarwal - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: akash
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
187:you appear to be convincingly correct but
then can we really wait indefinitely for
being trained or taught . perhap we can be
our own teacher and that is really lacking
and that makes several trained persons
unemployable due to lack of self-motivation
learning can come through imagination.
ramesh replied to: akash agarwal
post - 30 Oct, 2009
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: ramesh
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
189: intelligency is indirectly supported by the
power of knowledge...knowledge can be brought
in only by education..but the meaning of
education slighly changed in the past few
decades....reasons..imperfect trainers or
teachers...also companies lost its idea that
how to select intelligent people from a
group...moreover students now lacks practical
knowledge in specializing area..hence lacks
intelligency...sorry to say but the truth...
ramkumar replied to: ramesh
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: ramkumar
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
191: teachers nwver came up to expactions of
students either they were on higher plane on
not able to satisfy the expectations which
always differd from student to student There
always remained some apperent communication
gap which was nwver too big but there was
always lack of will poer on both sides.
Perhaps the receiver side ,the younger side,
the learner ought to have taken the
initiative which was missing Is it still
so.
let's take the the first step firmly.
let's take the the first step firmly.
ramesh replied to: ramkumar
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: ramesh
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
193:
illiteracy shows in your writing. what is "da" and "r"? have you not learnt to even properly spell those words?
Disgusting!
illiteracy shows in your writing. what is "da" and "r"? have you not learnt to even properly spell those words?
Disgusting!
Amar replied to: akash agarwal
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Amar
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
195: I agree with you. But then again, people
living in glass houses should not be throwing
stones. You should have capitalised the I in
illiteracy when you start a sentence. Same
problem with the second sentence.
Yeah, disgusting!
Yeah, disgusting!
Arya replied to: Amar
post - 30 Oct, 2009
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Arya
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
197: Since it appears that you are simply trying
to poke at me to possibly indicate you are
"smart", here is one to prove that in fact
you live in a disgusting glass house. Your
third sentence is grammatically incorrect.
With "have", you should have used "started"
!
Anyway, my point to the original poster was to indicate that people like him have made it a habit to use symbols and abbreviations instead of words, and therefore have really become at least language illiterate. Small caps in my writing is a reflection of my tiredness with the keyboard.
Anyway, get a life and stop saying something just for the heck of it.
Anyway, my point to the original poster was to indicate that people like him have made it a habit to use symbols and abbreviations instead of words, and therefore have really become at least language illiterate. Small caps in my writing is a reflection of my tiredness with the keyboard.
Anyway, get a life and stop saying something just for the heck of it.
Amar replied to: Arya
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Amar
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
199: I think the quality of education in our
country is going worse .Those who hve black
money they are converting a white money with
the help of opening ngineering and other
professional colleges .I think goverment
employees are also involve in this process.I
have seen lots of colleges which is affilated
from the state university they are not
following any norms of university .But the
university are not taking right steps.so this
is the matter why we all are facing such
problem .why we alla are behind china and
America ........?
Posted by: Ankur Agarwal - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Ankur
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
201: we are getting the knowledge of 1950 are
still behind that. however we also know that
we are studying a useless things. but these
are the basics so thtat we can get the better
knowledge.
Posted by: Sharanabasappa - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Sharanabasappa
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
203: I feel, there should be a strong action taken
against these engineering colleges by
government. Government also should not keep
silent and should put a strong clauses over
delivery of courses in the engineering
colleges. And there are lot of professional
institutes are available in the market, who
does takes care of the delivery from these
institutes? Government or education
department should try to prepare a team of
qualified people to check the delivery and
infrastructure. There is a strong team to
prevent crime, income and sales tax etc etc.
but no such strong team for education. We
should wake up before we are sent to sleep
for ever.
Posted by: Samir - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Samir
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
205: 1) Elect proper government officials rather
than fools with less education degree and
more criminal backgrounds.
2) Remove all reservations, be it on any basis and provide financial support and free education from primary schools if needed for deprived childrens(Reservation makes ppl leave India and go abroad as it doesnt give ppl the choice for they effort)
3) Keep the HRD ministry as a nomial governing body, if possible just a optional financial supporter. Ask HRD to focus more on primary schools.
4) Set course specific standards to be met by college, rather than just general standards.
5) Have private authority to evaluate the College standard
6) Focus in all fields rather than just software.
7) Indian employes, please stop potrays as slaves working day and night...18 hours a day. One can achive the same work productivity with 8 hours of work, if properly concentrate and work.
8) everyone, should work with common sense
2) Remove all reservations, be it on any basis and provide financial support and free education from primary schools if needed for deprived childrens(Reservation makes ppl leave India and go abroad as it doesnt give ppl the choice for they effort)
3) Keep the HRD ministry as a nomial governing body, if possible just a optional financial supporter. Ask HRD to focus more on primary schools.
4) Set course specific standards to be met by college, rather than just general standards.
5) Have private authority to evaluate the College standard
6) Focus in all fields rather than just software.
7) Indian employes, please stop potrays as slaves working day and night...18 hours a day. One can achive the same work productivity with 8 hours of work, if properly concentrate and work.
8) everyone, should work with common sense
Posted by: Arif - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Arif
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
207: The problem is the difference in the level of
technical education being given in
engineering colleges and the real technology
which is being used by various companies for
business purposes.
I can still remember when I did my engineering, we were studying mechanical switching for telecom, while everywhere in function was all software based semiconductor hardware.
It took a long time to bridge this difference, for me, in field. Now, I did it by myself, and so was not on bench, however if the engineer with this educational difference gets selected in a company, yes, he will have to sit on bench for training.
Moreover, there is another piece to it, as well, companies hire engineers from any field to perform software coding for them - without even thinking the study the person has performed. Several civil and mechanical engineers end up doing programming, which is not even using any engineering concepts of civil or mechanical - and in order to do so, with required efficiency, yes they need to be trained by the company.
Solutions-
Yes, there are 2 broad solutions to it.
First being college curriculum to reflect the latest technologies. Second being creating more jobs, not just in IT, but in core fields as well.
I can still remember when I did my engineering, we were studying mechanical switching for telecom, while everywhere in function was all software based semiconductor hardware.
It took a long time to bridge this difference, for me, in field. Now, I did it by myself, and so was not on bench, however if the engineer with this educational difference gets selected in a company, yes, he will have to sit on bench for training.
Moreover, there is another piece to it, as well, companies hire engineers from any field to perform software coding for them - without even thinking the study the person has performed. Several civil and mechanical engineers end up doing programming, which is not even using any engineering concepts of civil or mechanical - and in order to do so, with required efficiency, yes they need to be trained by the company.
Solutions-
Yes, there are 2 broad solutions to it.
First being college curriculum to reflect the latest technologies. Second being creating more jobs, not just in IT, but in core fields as well.
Posted by: Arpit Mittal - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Arpit
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
209:I second your opinion Arpit... I did my
engineering in Electronics and believe me I
never worked on anything I studied in
Engineering.. I am currently working in a
Software firm.. When I started searching for
a job as a fresher I tried for a job in
Electronics Industry but I could never make
it because either they need an experience in
similar industry or you need someone to
reccomend you for the job... And for a fresh
graduate engineer it is easy to get into a
Software Company than any other Industry...
And I hope you know the recruitment process
of many software companies for freshers
Krishna replied to: Arpit Mittal
post - 30 Oct, 2009
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Krishna
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
211: There is only one solution to this problem.
Parents should give their children more
liberty to follow their passion rather than
sending them to some engineering college no
matter what quality they provide. We all know
what is going on in engineering colleges
nowadays. They just hire some engineering
graduates who didn't have enough
luck/knowledge to get into an IT company to
let them teach. What can they do? Students
must be able to get proper exposure about the
colleges before they are in 12th standard.
They should understand that they are no
longer kids and should start planning their
future, should investigate about all the
available options rather than just
engineering.
Also, the basic education system is messed up and in most of the engineering colleges, they show no difference between computer science and information technology. Computer science students are not taught enough computer science mathematics and electronics. And it seems that the people setting the syllabus don't care about the system as long as they are paid well and getting their daily bread.
And to add to all these, new engineering colleges are getting approval. Where is this leading?
And to add to all these, most of the state board syllabus are not worthy either. A building cannot stand for long without a strong foundation. And the examination system is even worse. They just measure the memory capacity of the students. I think that they are forgetting that the human brain can not only store but also process, correlate, infer data. Ultimately, this is because of the politics in the educational system. I am from Tamil Nadu and our dear Chief Minister has really done a good thing to the students from rural areas by cancelling the entrance examination that the students had to take during good old days. They were the only way to measure a students' real ability and it could be noticed that the students from rural areas were scoring really low on this. So, a wise guy would have tried to increase the quality of education in the rural areas but our wiser(in politics) old thaatha made a beautiful announcement saying "No more entrance examinations would be conducted to make students from rural areas to get more opportunities". This is only one example of how politicians play with the education system.
Finally, we need not be so proud about the fact that Indians are brainy, people. That, there are more Indians working in NASA than Americans, Microsoft loves India, etc. There is a mathematical term called 'ratio'(hope you've learned). I mean, in a population of over a billion, its not hard for a very small ratio of people to get there.
So, what we need is a revolution. I hope it would happen someday. And, rather than just talking like this, we should take the responsibility to realize it.
Ma tuje salam.
Also, the basic education system is messed up and in most of the engineering colleges, they show no difference between computer science and information technology. Computer science students are not taught enough computer science mathematics and electronics. And it seems that the people setting the syllabus don't care about the system as long as they are paid well and getting their daily bread.
And to add to all these, new engineering colleges are getting approval. Where is this leading?
And to add to all these, most of the state board syllabus are not worthy either. A building cannot stand for long without a strong foundation. And the examination system is even worse. They just measure the memory capacity of the students. I think that they are forgetting that the human brain can not only store but also process, correlate, infer data. Ultimately, this is because of the politics in the educational system. I am from Tamil Nadu and our dear Chief Minister has really done a good thing to the students from rural areas by cancelling the entrance examination that the students had to take during good old days. They were the only way to measure a students' real ability and it could be noticed that the students from rural areas were scoring really low on this. So, a wise guy would have tried to increase the quality of education in the rural areas but our wiser(in politics) old thaatha made a beautiful announcement saying "No more entrance examinations would be conducted to make students from rural areas to get more opportunities". This is only one example of how politicians play with the education system.
Finally, we need not be so proud about the fact that Indians are brainy, people. That, there are more Indians working in NASA than Americans, Microsoft loves India, etc. There is a mathematical term called 'ratio'(hope you've learned). I mean, in a population of over a billion, its not hard for a very small ratio of people to get there.
So, what we need is a revolution. I hope it would happen someday. And, rather than just talking like this, we should take the responsibility to realize it.
Ma tuje salam.
Posted by: Arun Kumar N - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Arun
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
213:Very Well Written.Kudos!
pawan replied to: Arun Kumar N
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: pawan
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
215:You seem to have a lot of free time :)
KKN replied to: Arun Kumar N
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: KKN
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
217: His last line was totally unrequired :)
abhishek replied to: KKN
post - 30 Oct, 2009
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: abhishek
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
219: This news is classic misinterpretation of
information by Nasscom.
what on earth made them take information from a company which conducts HR interview before selecting engineers but not technical.
Infosys dont take engineers they take people who are good in solving puzzles :).
Every company select candidates only to meet their requirement based on their own stupid criteria. It doesn't mean 90% of engineers are unemployable.
Silly news :p
what on earth made them take information from a company which conducts HR interview before selecting engineers but not technical.
Infosys dont take engineers they take people who are good in solving puzzles :).
Every company select candidates only to meet their requirement based on their own stupid criteria. It doesn't mean 90% of engineers are unemployable.
Silly news :p
Posted by: KISHAN DS - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: KISHAN
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
221:hello, does it mean Engineers can't solve the
puzzels but others are able to solve the
puzzels, for me it is hard to believe
Subra Kondaveeti replied to: KISHAN DS
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Subra
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
223: You got it all wrong.
Engineers have got the better aptitude for logic which is the sole basis for becoming a good programmer. All the programming languages are easy to learn if you can apply good logic. Rest is all syntactical knowledge which anybody can be trained upon.
This is the only reason for Infosys to select candidates based on puzzle solving and language skills tests.
Engineers have got the better aptitude for logic which is the sole basis for becoming a good programmer. All the programming languages are easy to learn if you can apply good logic. Rest is all syntactical knowledge which anybody can be trained upon.
This is the only reason for Infosys to select candidates based on puzzle solving and language skills tests.
abhishek replied to: Subra Kondaveeti
post - 30 Oct, 2009
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: abhishek
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
225: I fully endorse the "classic
misrepresentation" statement by Kishan.
Agreed that there are LOTS of issues that
need attention in our education like
practical knowledge, good faculty, more
openinings in other sectors n many other
areas covered by previous posts.
I dint clear Infy test, but cleared TCS test. Did a decent job @ TCS and am shifting to Embedded Software and some R&D in Signal processing. I Know many ppl who dint clear Infosys recruitment and DID bloody WELL in their careers (IT n otherwise). I know ppl who managed to get into infy even though they werent that skilled...
So might as well ask Infy n NASSCOM (without the N) to stuff it..
NB. This is not the first absurd statement from NASSCOM that am seeing on 'siliconIndia'
I dint clear Infy test, but cleared TCS test. Did a decent job @ TCS and am shifting to Embedded Software and some R&D in Signal processing. I Know many ppl who dint clear Infosys recruitment and DID bloody WELL in their careers (IT n otherwise). I know ppl who managed to get into infy even though they werent that skilled...
So might as well ask Infy n NASSCOM (without the N) to stuff it..
NB. This is not the first absurd statement from NASSCOM that am seeing on 'siliconIndia'
Arjun replied to: abhishek
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Arjun
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
227: Hey all Indian Engineers....
its one more reason to aim high & achieve higher...
its one more reason to aim high & achieve higher...
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Dude
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
229: The root cause for this pathetic situation is
at the root itself - ie the faculty and the
students. Let me explain them now. We need
quality faculty who are strong in the
fundamentals and at the same time know the
trend in the industry, should not encourage
students for short-cut approach, in stead go
for developing from first principles wherever
necessary. (The faculty pay structure in the
academia should be so good as to motivate the
best in the industry to take up the faculty
position.) Students should never be allowed
to do 'cut and paste'. The final projects
taken up by the students should be evaluated
on the basis of what is the original
contribution of the student rather than the
sophistication of the problem or solution.
The academia are supposed to ensure that the
students obtain the following basic skills:
ability to learn and apply when required,
ability to analyze, regard for norms, process
and time, able to communicate, able to
question when not appealing to any logic and
the last but most important - appreciate
ethical values. Because of competition and
commercialization, this education industry in
India is subject to various 'push' and 'pull'
factors. I know some corporates have come
forward to strengthen their interaction with
academia to address at least some of these
issues. Again they are constrained to take
this to a large extent because of huge effort
and resource requirements. With the support
of the government through tax benefits for
such academic activities, things may improve.
But this is a serious issue and needs to be
addressed holistically. Venkat (I am retired
from an IT major. I was heading one division
of Learning and Development. Got actively
involved in Academic interface programmes)
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Venkataramani
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
231:hi guys,
i am from haryana,
hamare haryana main ek kahavat hai... bhai pada kyoen kar nahi.. kyeoki teacher nalaayak tha....
dosto it is time to change education system. to change our attitude towards education system... it was built by English Govt., if i am correct, Lord Macaully.. it is time to redesign the education system from scratch....it is not just about changing the syllabus but it is about making the way we teaches... one more problem....everyone wants to be their child engineer/doctor.... irrespective what his/her capability is... may be that person can do much much better in the field he/she have interest... change this attitude also man...
Time to change the India....
i am from haryana,
hamare haryana main ek kahavat hai... bhai pada kyoen kar nahi.. kyeoki teacher nalaayak tha....
dosto it is time to change education system. to change our attitude towards education system... it was built by English Govt., if i am correct, Lord Macaully.. it is time to redesign the education system from scratch....it is not just about changing the syllabus but it is about making the way we teaches... one more problem....everyone wants to be their child engineer/doctor.... irrespective what his/her capability is... may be that person can do much much better in the field he/she have interest... change this attitude also man...
Time to change the India....
Abdullah replied to: Venkataramani
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Abdullah
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
233: I am a engg myself, the education system has
been screwed-up, by all these private players
coming in the market, they all get AICTE
approved and turn a blind eye on all
mal-practices in the examination hall.
This increases the pass %age of the students ( This way the college is able to attract more students), and more and more uncompetent engg are pumped into the system.
When I see the training video of IIT on youtube, they are simply superb, On the contrary, in these so called AICTE approved engineering colleges, the teachers are fresh graduates that land up here because they don't get a job anywhere else. This adds further to the problem of incompetent engg.
This increases the pass %age of the students ( This way the college is able to attract more students), and more and more uncompetent engg are pumped into the system.
When I see the training video of IIT on youtube, they are simply superb, On the contrary, in these so called AICTE approved engineering colleges, the teachers are fresh graduates that land up here because they don't get a job anywhere else. This adds further to the problem of incompetent engg.
Posted by: Shyam - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Shyam
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
235: I believe everyone despite of his/her own
interest is commpelled to take IT as a career
option either beacuse there families demands
that or it has been taught at an Engineering
college.
I happened to conduct mock interviews in an engineering college of repute in New Delhi and was surpirsed to realise that every student wanted to join IT desipte of the his/her core Engineering subjects or there interest elsewhere.
The environment in college promotes them to mug up data structures concepts and c as a programming languge to boast about there placements in a particular acedemic session.
I happened to conduct mock interviews in an engineering college of repute in New Delhi and was surpirsed to realise that every student wanted to join IT desipte of the his/her core Engineering subjects or there interest elsewhere.
The environment in college promotes them to mug up data structures concepts and c as a programming languge to boast about there placements in a particular acedemic session.
Posted by: Kuldeep Kumar - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Kuldeep
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
237:Why the hell all engineering students want to
take up IT jobs? If you have done
engineering in other streams, why opt to do a
much lower job (in terms of
qualification)that any ordinary graduates,
M.Sc, MCA, even diploma holders can do. Look
around, they are working in the same IT
companies in same capacity and salary and
grades. One need not be an engineer to get
into IT jobs.
Such Indian engineers rightfully deserves such comments. Grow up kids, learn to respect yourself and look for proper careers in your own streams. Any one would respect an electronics engineer working as an electronics engineer rather than as shopfloor worker in IT factories.I dont think anywhere else in the world would an electrical engineer do a business application programming. Shame !
Such Indian engineers rightfully deserves such comments. Grow up kids, learn to respect yourself and look for proper careers in your own streams. Any one would respect an electronics engineer working as an electronics engineer rather than as shopfloor worker in IT factories.I dont think anywhere else in the world would an electrical engineer do a business application programming. Shame !
Vinod replied to: Kuldeep Kumar
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Vinod
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
239: This Report is nonsense. if trained a
illiterate could also perform well.. the
persons who prepared this report has forget
that he was also a college graduate...
Posted by: VaSu - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: VaSu
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
241: It might sound a way different but its a
fact. In India we look for Managers in every
person who is +5 years in job. Don't expect a
person to write codes after a few years. Is
not that a wastage of the training they get?
I have seen people in foreign companies who
are skilled welders and lead a equally
respectable life as his manager. But that
requires fulfilling the skilled people
otherwise. That we may not require as many
new recruits every year!
Posted by: Niranjan Rout - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Niranjan
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
243:I'm totally in favour with what you have just
said. I'm in a UK based Insurance company as
technical analyst and we have onshore
counterparts who are working and sepcialised
in same job for last 15 years, thus sharing
there expereince and knowledge to move the
company forward not like indian based centers
where a 26 year guy become manager just
because of his GOOD relations with few top
people and then slowly pushing the company
back to stone age with his decisions and ego
issue with fellow team members. We have
skilled people but we really don't know how
to utilize in the company. We still have to
leran that from top noch companies from UK
and US.
monu replied to: Niranjan Rout
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: monu
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
245: Very true, 90% of the companies do not know
how to use the engineers they already have.
Antony replied to: monu
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Antony
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
247: You are very correct. Company and managers
will see their employees only as their
business resources. They dont have any
personnel concerns with the employees. In my
company today only one of colleague asked for
2 weeks leave since she have undergo one
major operation. Manager said immediately all
right you take even one more week but when
you come back don't expect you to be in
project. It seems that they dont have any
kind of ethics.
Viju replied to: Antony
post - 30 Oct, 2009
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Viju
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
249: I would suggest that India open its doors to
foreign IT professionals. First to face the
shortage, then to benefit of intercultural
exchange. Indian's IT companies are trying to
target foreign markets outside US and UK and
now more where language is an issue. While we
know that understanding of cultural concepts
and clarifications of requirement is a
necessity why not mixing teams?
Posted by: Thomas L - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Thomas
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
251: All These solutions are worthwhile.
But why not let big companies like Infosys, TCS let take care of education and produce the professionals the way they want them to perform............
Big companies just boast around. They do not want to take an initiative. All IT Giants write in the advertiesment "No Correspondance Students". A totally worthless approach. You never always know why someone opted such an option.
But why not let big companies like Infosys, TCS let take care of education and produce the professionals the way they want them to perform............
Big companies just boast around. They do not want to take an initiative. All IT Giants write in the advertiesment "No Correspondance Students". A totally worthless approach. You never always know why someone opted such an option.
Posted by: Mayur - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Mayur
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
253:that is what they do through training!
shashi replied to: Mayur
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: shashi
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
255: In the Engineering Graduate study Project
work plays a vital role in determining the
analytical brain, innovative approach and
grasping of the project. A good project will
help the Engineering graduate to have proper
training in tackling problems which will help
them well when entering jobs especially IT.
In an article Academic Projects: What Where
and How to do your Academic Projects Mr.
Arunanand T.A has good suggestions:
Many national and international universities promote and sponsor worthy projects. These projects develop into different kinds of functional commercial products potential applications or both. The developments of such projects are possible through a holistic approach. Most students start thinking about their project only during the year they need to submit the project. Quality projects are built through long term planning and preparations. Each year of study should have an impact in the way one thinks therefore plans for the project.
According to Clarence A K Head of the Innovations Lab Select a relevant topic make sure that you are using the latest technology industry tools and always be innovative.
So it is not just important to be thoughtful but at the same time it is important that the projects are chosen efficiently. According Biju Jacob Director Logic Software Solutions Every student must take care while selecting the project. He or she should decide which career track they would opt for and accordingly choose the topic. Always ensure that your academic project is career oriented. Also know the technologies and select the one which is relevant
There is a tendency among students to grab a subject and work on it without thinking about what when and how they are going to pursue it. A change has to be brought in, in terms of understanding the project and also about how you are going to pursue it. A clear understanding about the project would be a great help in completing it within the time frame and with a possible greater success rate. Most of the students are facing difficulties in identifying a good idea. In the current scenario it is advisable to look for a project which has more commercial value with it. Understand the business functional scenarios with different industry find out a good requirement for those scenarios. Once the requirement is mapped brain storm your idea with the experts. Once you have identified a good idea do proper financial analysis before finalizing the idea. You can approach any company or institution for their guidance on your proposed projects.
The colleges should also care to take this initiative to make the students understand the importance of choosing a better project and at the same time guide them through the project completion. Kenny Jacob former CTO of the much acclaimed student startup Torque talks about the kind of care an educational institution should take in order to produce good academic projects. A drastic change is needed in the existing scenario. Students must be provided with reasonable time proper technical expertise and support otherwise the students may go for paid projects that are readily available in the market. lf the students seek the help of any institutions don t compromise in the quality of projects. Make sure it is of high quality from the synopsis and other specifications.
Dr.A.Jagadeesh Nellore(AP)
Many national and international universities promote and sponsor worthy projects. These projects develop into different kinds of functional commercial products potential applications or both. The developments of such projects are possible through a holistic approach. Most students start thinking about their project only during the year they need to submit the project. Quality projects are built through long term planning and preparations. Each year of study should have an impact in the way one thinks therefore plans for the project.
According to Clarence A K Head of the Innovations Lab Select a relevant topic make sure that you are using the latest technology industry tools and always be innovative.
So it is not just important to be thoughtful but at the same time it is important that the projects are chosen efficiently. According Biju Jacob Director Logic Software Solutions Every student must take care while selecting the project. He or she should decide which career track they would opt for and accordingly choose the topic. Always ensure that your academic project is career oriented. Also know the technologies and select the one which is relevant
There is a tendency among students to grab a subject and work on it without thinking about what when and how they are going to pursue it. A change has to be brought in, in terms of understanding the project and also about how you are going to pursue it. A clear understanding about the project would be a great help in completing it within the time frame and with a possible greater success rate. Most of the students are facing difficulties in identifying a good idea. In the current scenario it is advisable to look for a project which has more commercial value with it. Understand the business functional scenarios with different industry find out a good requirement for those scenarios. Once the requirement is mapped brain storm your idea with the experts. Once you have identified a good idea do proper financial analysis before finalizing the idea. You can approach any company or institution for their guidance on your proposed projects.
The colleges should also care to take this initiative to make the students understand the importance of choosing a better project and at the same time guide them through the project completion. Kenny Jacob former CTO of the much acclaimed student startup Torque talks about the kind of care an educational institution should take in order to produce good academic projects. A drastic change is needed in the existing scenario. Students must be provided with reasonable time proper technical expertise and support otherwise the students may go for paid projects that are readily available in the market. lf the students seek the help of any institutions don t compromise in the quality of projects. Make sure it is of high quality from the synopsis and other specifications.
Dr.A.Jagadeesh Nellore(AP)
Posted by: Dr.A.Jagadeesh - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Dr.A.Jagadeesh
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
257: one solution is
companies should recruit young school passouts, who are capable irrespective of caste,creed, religion and get them graduated/ engineered on company expenses with minimum ten years of bond or expenses payback agreement.
R P Singh
companies should recruit young school passouts, who are capable irrespective of caste,creed, religion and get them graduated/ engineered on company expenses with minimum ten years of bond or expenses payback agreement.
R P Singh
Posted by: R P Singh - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: R
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
259: I am working in education industry and
holding a senior position there, so I don't
want to disclose my organization name. But in
my experience I think...
1. Because of privatization , probably there is no proper observation and action on over all education system.
2. We need to bring changes in our over all education system. Like we are too much dependend on marks and so called BE / B.Tech degree. Even organization like TCS, Infosys etc. follows the same. Probably because of private engineering colleges lot of average and bellow average students are becoming engineers.
3.We are lacking with Quality infra and quality delivery and evaluation system.
4.Lot of political interfearence into the education system. Which actually stop producing quality students from Xth or + 2 standers.
5.Since there is no scope of performance monitoring and there is no relation with performance with salaries so teachers and Professors are not interested to provide quality delivery to produce quality students. Actually they are not answerable to any one.
1. Because of privatization , probably there is no proper observation and action on over all education system.
2. We need to bring changes in our over all education system. Like we are too much dependend on marks and so called BE / B.Tech degree. Even organization like TCS, Infosys etc. follows the same. Probably because of private engineering colleges lot of average and bellow average students are becoming engineers.
3.We are lacking with Quality infra and quality delivery and evaluation system.
4.Lot of political interfearence into the education system. Which actually stop producing quality students from Xth or + 2 standers.
5.Since there is no scope of performance monitoring and there is no relation with performance with salaries so teachers and Professors are not interested to provide quality delivery to produce quality students. Actually they are not answerable to any one.
Posted by: ABHIJIT - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: ABHIJIT
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
261:main problem is CORREPTED AICET which give
liecene to every college. i m belong to small
city and there is also an engg. college there
is not any good faculty.i m engg. student
from uptu and there is not a good faculty.so
main problem is faculty ,they don't know
market value .
are bhai logo main to chahata hu aicet ke chancler ko jute mar ke bhagaya jaye jo student life to barbad karta hi hai desh ka future bhi barbad ka karta hai.
are bhai logo main to chahata hu aicet ke chancler ko jute mar ke bhagaya jaye jo student life to barbad karta hi hai desh ka future bhi barbad ka karta hai.
UNKNOW replied to: ABHIJIT
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: UNKNOW
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
263:I think the root cause of the problem is (a)
poor remuneration and no accountability to
teaching faculty bringing in the unwanted
engineering graduates in the teaching line
with no motivation or competence or being
held accountable (b) why do IT companies need
engineering graduates for jobs that need only
6 months of training to any above average
graduate individual with just logical
thinking ability and attitude, and thereby
creating unwanted hype, demand for engneering
seats, drawing unscrupulous institutions in
the business that hamper quality output,
moving away from engineering graduates for
such jobs will reduce demand to only from
those who want to pursue real engineering
profession, lower demand means less nos. to
handle, will bring in better control on
qualty, lower employee cost to companies,
longer stay, more commitment,.... (c) the
corrupt AICTE,... institutions and their
inspectors should be decimated for their
disservice to society for being the reason
for unscrupulous elements flourishing in teh
industry at the cost of society and nation
kvs replied to: ABHIJIT
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: kvs
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
265:All These solutions are worthwhile.
But why not let big companies like Infosys, TCS let take care of education and produce the professionals the way they want them to perform............
But why not let big companies like Infosys, TCS let take care of education and produce the professionals the way they want them to perform............
Mayur replied to: ABHIJIT
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Mayur
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
267: I would like to discuss two points on this
issue:
1. The quality of teaching in most of the Engineering colleges are not up to the mark, because of the lack of faculties with sound knowledge on the subject and delivery.
Today Engineering colleges are money makers than a quality education providers.
2. Need a Software Training Regulatory Authority. Today any one can start a software training center, no need for any approval from anybody. These type of mushroom training centres offer flashy freebies and attract students and offer courses with pirated software and unqualified trainers and they give a course completion certificates which is of use to the employers.
AIECT should be more strict in giving new licenses and do a random check on Colleges on infrastructure and quality of faculties,
Government should also set up a Software Training Regulatory Authority and give licenses only to institutes or companies who meet all the quality norms. Otherwise unemployable graduates number will increase year after year.
1. The quality of teaching in most of the Engineering colleges are not up to the mark, because of the lack of faculties with sound knowledge on the subject and delivery.
Today Engineering colleges are money makers than a quality education providers.
2. Need a Software Training Regulatory Authority. Today any one can start a software training center, no need for any approval from anybody. These type of mushroom training centres offer flashy freebies and attract students and offer courses with pirated software and unqualified trainers and they give a course completion certificates which is of use to the employers.
AIECT should be more strict in giving new licenses and do a random check on Colleges on infrastructure and quality of faculties,
Government should also set up a Software Training Regulatory Authority and give licenses only to institutes or companies who meet all the quality norms. Otherwise unemployable graduates number will increase year after year.
Posted by: Gopal.S - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Gopal.S
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
269: To ractify this type of problem the
government should make rules to get any
Degree of technical fields that the students
will have to complete practical training
period at least one year in selected
companies so that they can gain also
practical knowlegde before getting the job
like Medico fields as well as Law gradutes.
To get highest marks should not be only the
criteria for calling the interviews or
selection process but also the practical
knowlegde should be essential for the
selection. Mostely students pay their
attention only to achieve highest marks &
position in the academy.Today is demanded to
be more reallistic not a theoreticallist.
sudha asthana
sudha asthana
Posted by: sudha - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: sudha
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
271: I'm not surprised at all, As long we get a
course structure which makes us jack of all
and master of none, we cant help. VTU
(karnataka) often revises it syllabus but
they try to squeeze more and more subjects
into one rather than having limited subjects
with in depth knowledge. A fresher comes out
claiming expertise on all domains, but when u
ask for indepth knowledge, he would
stammer.Its the mistake of the educationists,
who structure the whole course.
Companies should come forward and put pressure on educationists to structure the course accordingly otherwise they have to bear training them for ever and ever.
Companies should come forward and put pressure on educationists to structure the course accordingly otherwise they have to bear training them for ever and ever.
Posted by: Ravi - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Ravi
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
273: In first sight i loks like odd. bt
unfortunately its true. The academic strngth
of colleges is nt good, its well known fact
den hw cn dey produce better engnrs or
MBAians.
Posted by: vivek dev singh - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: vivek
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
275: If the number of institutions\engineering
colleges are greater than number of Indian IT
firms, then is a good picture to see. And
this picture will increase every year...YOU
ALL WILL SEE.
Posted by: gillu - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: gillu
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
277: I guess part of the problem is excessive
importance to engineering graduates for any
kind of work. I just read a posting on a
popular job board - a BPO company looking for
Project Manager for a NON Technical process
but wants a BE/BTech for the job. As long as
companies have over reliance on engineers
they are going to miss out a large pool of
people who have the intellligence and can do
a good job give some training, but never got
an engineering degree.
Posted by: Roshan - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Roshan
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
279: Quality education is reducing bcoz of this
middle men or politicians who just bribe the
instutions for there own so-called "Education
Business". Every institution should educate
students more practically instead of
providing them with crap theoretical
notes/books. There are many more Einsteins or
gr8 people who r vanishing gradually bcoz of
this bleady % system in India. Give every
individual a fair chance to prove his/her
mettle instead of looking out for those
percentile fellows with no practical
knowledge.
Wake up IT companies and pick the genius/available talent out of it.
Wake up IT companies and pick the genius/available talent out of it.
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: vinodk
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
281: I have read a few post on this, and i must
say this is a much debated topics and need
lot of concern when you think about the
issues raise here behind the education system
in india, unemploybility, graduating marks,
practicability, college teaching
standard,etc.
My point of view is that all of these have to be looked up and review has to been done to meet the requirement of Indian market
To summarise talent are hidden in INDIA but un-exposed,un trained and most importatnt the attitude of people need to about doing work they do it just for the sake of doing it , the day they atart doing the working passionatly and with interest they willachieve success.
My point of view is that all of these have to be looked up and review has to been done to meet the requirement of Indian market
To summarise talent are hidden in INDIA but un-exposed,un trained and most importatnt the attitude of people need to about doing work they do it just for the sake of doing it , the day they atart doing the working passionatly and with interest they willachieve success.
Posted by: Randhir Kumar Prasad - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Randhir
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
283: Our education system is not systematical
right now. Now IT day by day updated but
education trainers don\\\'t know about it and
they can\\\'t trained to my our students. If
we want to increase latest education related
to IT field. Then Govt will provide quarterly
seminar with good IT companies and they
should be share knowledge with him. So as per
this they can upgrade the education system.
When Students taking education from well
educated trainers then they will be work with
confidently..
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Jassi
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
285: I am a NITian, I donot disclosing institute
name due to my carrier [my research work is
going on], left what in private college in
NIT there r somany good academic record
student donot know how to fix simple problems
in there PC. This is the situation of good
mark scoring students. I observe from my
experience maximum Good mark scoreing
students don't know real life practical of
there trade.
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Bapuni
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
287:forget nit, i had higher a impression on iit
grads till i interviewed an iit kanpur btech
grad and i was flabbergasted by the quality
of technical answers i got. surprised such
students exist in iits. they got to figure
out a way to nullify iit coaching center
influences on jee.
auxa replied to: Bapuni
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: auxa
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
289:Yes, you are right. Can you believe that my
college topper in MCA asked me "Cant i
purchase my PC without RAM? What is the need
to do extra expenditure in RAM"
Infosys only hire the people who has good marks and academic records. These cos. has to understand that the marks should be the criteria to judge any students intelligence.
Infosys only hire the people who has good marks and academic records. These cos. has to understand that the marks should be the criteria to judge any students intelligence.
Chandan replied to: Bapuni
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Chandan
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
291: Infy looks for decent academics and not good
marks. 65% throughout is criteria.
And yes this is necessary and not sufficient requirement. You still have to clear one puzzle test, language test and one HR interview.
And yes this is necessary and not sufficient requirement. You still have to clear one puzzle test, language test and one HR interview.
abhishek replied to: Chandan
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: abhishek
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
293: actually universities should change the
curriculum of colleges, sothat only that
should be taught n classes which is industry
specific, an engineer has 4 years of college
, but he doesnt learn anything like
programming,designing
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: gaurav
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
295: I am agree with Mr saad Sharif . It Is very
good idea . Please consider all the student
who score above 45 to 90 (99.99 ....). Please
Don't Conduct the interview on the basis of
Marks . Learn From the past [ex : scientist
like einstean etc . They ever never scored
99.99 percent But Still peoples are studying
their idea]. Please i am requiresting you
open your eyes.
Posted by: Mahesh S.L - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Mahesh
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
297: infosys hire people with high percentage
,they should look people with low percentage
too,som of the low percentage guy are not
good mugger ,so they cnt score but they have
gt programming skill .i have seen many of the
classmate who were gud mugger but zero
programing skill
Posted by: vivek - 29 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: vivek
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
299:Thats awesome, Thank god you didn't join
infy. Good programmers can work in better
companies
Harry replied to: vivek
post - 30 Oct, 2009
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Harry
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
301: Infy looks for 65% min marks and i dont think
u can call this figure as high % by any
chance.
They look for the aptitude rather than your sytactical knowledge of any programming :)
Lets be realistic and realize that Infosys is in the industry and spends 4% on the training. They have enough brain in high management to decide on such issues. I think you and me dont have the same expertise :)
They look for the aptitude rather than your sytactical knowledge of any programming :)
Lets be realistic and realize that Infosys is in the industry and spends 4% on the training. They have enough brain in high management to decide on such issues. I think you and me dont have the same expertise :)
abhishek replied to: Harry
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: abhishek
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
303:u r right. people who cant express their
thoughts through examination ,it dose nt mean
that they are not at all techie. companies
like tcs or infosys, they should take very
practical screening when they took a
interview, should give more options to prove
that persons skill.
shekhar replied to: vivek
post - 29 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: shekhar
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
305:I hartly support the statement of Mr Vivek
Bapuni replied to: vivek
post - 29 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Bapuni
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
307: Quality of the education will improve then
there is no shortage. Government wants all
the people to be educated so they give
permission to all the colleges and schools
without any basic needs because of that
people come out form colleges and schools
without practical knowledge so a proper
education will reduce this shortage.
Posted by: Nanda - 29 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Nanda
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
309:I am a engg myself, the education system has
been screwed-up, by all these private players
coming in the market, they all get AICTE
approved and turn a blind eye on all
mal-practices in the examination hall.
This increases the pass %age of the students ( This way the college is able to attract more students), and more and more uncompetent engg are pumped into the system.
When I see the training video of IIT on youtube, they are simply superb, On the contrary, in these so called AICTE approved engineering colleges, the teachers are fresh graduates that land up here because they don't get a job anywhere else. This adds further to the problem of incompetent engg.
This increases the pass %age of the students ( This way the college is able to attract more students), and more and more uncompetent engg are pumped into the system.
When I see the training video of IIT on youtube, they are simply superb, On the contrary, in these so called AICTE approved engineering colleges, the teachers are fresh graduates that land up here because they don't get a job anywhere else. This adds further to the problem of incompetent engg.
Shyam replied to: Nanda
post - 29 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Shyam
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
311: With Best comes the best and all companies
needs the best. Lets take a look at my
engineer carreer
I got admission in my college by clearing the CET .i was ranked 1900 in the exam .Here, while i reached to 5th semster, most of my engineering teachers were now my own seniors (just see the condition). They had no option but to teach in the same college they studied from because they were not the best. As a result i got a low 63% aggregate.However i had scored 91% in my board exam, as i had excellent teachers. So the point i want to say is that no one is best and no one comes learnt in this world. So companies should find a solution to this and i m sure there has to be a way
I got admission in my college by clearing the CET .i was ranked 1900 in the exam .Here, while i reached to 5th semster, most of my engineering teachers were now my own seniors (just see the condition). They had no option but to teach in the same college they studied from because they were not the best. As a result i got a low 63% aggregate.However i had scored 91% in my board exam, as i had excellent teachers. So the point i want to say is that no one is best and no one comes learnt in this world. So companies should find a solution to this and i m sure there has to be a way
IMRAN replied to: Shyam
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: IMRAN
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
313: The major problem with companies today in
India are they are not ready even to
interview a student who scores 55-60%..I bet
you will find the best students in this
group..students in my class who score 70s 80s
and 90s didnt even knew how to give a short
seminar on their mini project...they were so
foolish that they even read out the
conclusion part from screen. With such
bookish students whose mother is just theory
how can we expect PRACTICAL knowledge from
them :)
Posted by: Saad Sharif - 29 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Saad
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
315:I agree......
It is not necessary to get an "out of the box" approach only from those who perform good at exams.
It is not necessary to get an "out of the box" approach only from those who perform good at exams.
Mayur replied to: Saad Sharif
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Mayur
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317:I heartlly agree with you Mr. Saad Sharif
Sachin replied to: Saad Sharif
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Sachin
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319:I literally agree with you...
sudha replied to: Saad Sharif
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: sudha
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321:I am agree with him ......
Jasvinder replied to: Saad Sharif
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323:i am wt you
prasant replied to: Saad Sharif
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: prasant
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
325: I see lot of agreement and some disagreement
to report and to the comments. I have spent
24 years in Industry and am currently engaged
in Training and consulting business. My work
takes me to several institutes and I interact
with many students for employment and also
for training. I have noticed that most
students don't have basic intelligence in
place. They are mostly trained to mug up
outdated curriculum. Comment about installing
Linux, I see many CSE engineers carrying
their PCs to repair shop for replacing
defective drives. I don't think increasing
numbers will help, that's what we have been
doing, reform is needed at curriculum level
and how they are tutored, possibly enhance
practical skills instead of theory. Making
them work on live industry projects while in
college would help institute to upgrade their
curriculum and student to be more aligned to
industry needs. We also need to look at
quality of faculty various colleges employ,
while the tuition fee has skyrocketed in case
of most privately owned colleges, much has
landed up in the pockets of promoters rather
than enhancing the facilities to enhance
learning and present-ability of students. I
cannot give a quick solution for this
problem, because none exists. Responsibility
has to be taken by everyone including
students who believe responsibility for their
future lies with either their parents or
teachers/ institute or organization they
would join.
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Sushil
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
327: With due respects to Mr.Kiran Karnik and Mr.
Nayar. It is a pity that no care is given to
students who try to get into the main stream
technically, Mr. Nayar should see where his
sons and daughters have been educated. Most
of the cases wealthy people take Engineering
degree in India as a Platform to be exported
to foreign countries which is a prestige mark
and considered to be high culture ...status.
DID someone EVER THINK baout people WHO
STRUGGLE FOR A LIVING AFTER THEIR ENGINEERING
RATHER THAN MAKING COMMENTS. ONE WILL NOT
HESITATE TO BE ON BOARD OF AN ENGINEERING
COLLEGE TAKING DONATIONS FROM CANDIDATES AND
TAKING A COMPENSATION IN HEAVY PACKETS IN
HUGE AMOUNTS. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO GIVE A JOB
OR STIPEND THEN UNEMPLOYABILITY COMES INTO
THE PICTURE.
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Innovate
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
329: Educational Institutes/ Colleges
On paper there are more than 170 engg colleges in Karnataka, when compared to IIT’s ,the latter figure is countable and as well as quality of education/quality of people is outstanding.
The best possible solution to be followed is as given below to produce quality of engineer’s.
1] Education board should Set standards starting from high
school level itself
2] Govt should stop granting permission to open further Engg
colleges.
3] Re-evaluating & set the syllabus as per industry
standards.
4] Increasing the duration of the course from 4yrs to 5yrs,
where the student he/she should work in companies as
intern’s[5th year alone - compulsory /mandatory for
1year] without this, the University should not provide
degree certificates to the students.
5] Or reducing the duration of course from 4yrs to 3years,
where eliminating of unnecessary subjects, one year
should be kept aside for doing internships’/subsequently
proving scholarships for the deserving students.
6] At the end companies will get quality engineers’
There are ‘n’ no of possible solutions to deliver quality engineers, the question is when the university /Board will think about improving the quality of our education system?.
Thanks/Regards
Pavan Kinhal
On paper there are more than 170 engg colleges in Karnataka, when compared to IIT’s ,the latter figure is countable and as well as quality of education/quality of people is outstanding.
The best possible solution to be followed is as given below to produce quality of engineer’s.
1] Education board should Set standards starting from high
school level itself
2] Govt should stop granting permission to open further Engg
colleges.
3] Re-evaluating & set the syllabus as per industry
standards.
4] Increasing the duration of the course from 4yrs to 5yrs,
where the student he/she should work in companies as
intern’s[5th year alone - compulsory /mandatory for
1year] without this, the University should not provide
degree certificates to the students.
5] Or reducing the duration of course from 4yrs to 3years,
where eliminating of unnecessary subjects, one year
should be kept aside for doing internships’/subsequently
proving scholarships for the deserving students.
6] At the end companies will get quality engineers’
There are ‘n’ no of possible solutions to deliver quality engineers, the question is when the university /Board will think about improving the quality of our education system?.
Thanks/Regards
Pavan Kinhal
Posted by: Pavan Kinhal - 29 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Pavan
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
331:yes Pavan all your points are valid and need
to be implemented at the earliest for turning
out quality engineers.
As you also truly said the BIG question is when?
But instead of sitting somewhere and simly commenting most of us should take things into hand in a constructive way, I think.
As you also truly said the BIG question is when?
But instead of sitting somewhere and simly commenting most of us should take things into hand in a constructive way, I think.
Malathi replied to: Pavan Kinhal
post - 30 Oct, 2009
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Malathi
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
333: All these issues crop up due to our fixation
of trying out the tested ways only. First
came the engineering boom, where every state
opened up flood gates by opening numerous
engineering colleges, now is the trend of
MBA. We feel those tested ways are the only
way to get a job comfortably. What we miss is
the fact that people are talented in
different fields. One guy may be poor in one
area but may be brilliant in another.
Government has to look at the socio-economic
development so that we come out of our
fixation of mass flocking in particular areas
and get encouraged to look at areas which
gives us both work pleasure and means of
earning
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: DEY
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
335:I agree with the point.... even the indian
industry is the same ... if one sector has a
potential u see hundreds of companies eyeing
to grab the same pie ... the organizations
like NASSCOM publish these forecasts n polls
giving numbers requiring these many lakh
employees in this field n that ... it
misleads students into thinking that its a
potential chance to make it big .... but they
fail to realise that life is not something
that can be planned according to forecasts n
poll predictions .. u have to gauge ur
srengths n abilities n plan careers according
to that .... even the education system is all
about getting marks n grades rather than the
right knowledge ... even the teachers r of
poor quality ...just because u know a subject
doesn't mean u can teach it .... even
teachers should be given a professional
licensing so that they have accountability n
knowledge of right methods to impart quality
education ....
prash replied to: DEY
post - 29 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: prash
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
337: What Engineers? In Karnataka Engineering
Colleges are like retail shops - anybody who
can pay capitation fee can get a seat &
bribe their way to get a degree.
Ultimately corporates employ these candidates because of inside connections (like belonging to same region, caste, etc) & hence quality of work gets affected. This is prevalent in all companies.
Ultimately corporates employ these candidates because of inside connections (like belonging to same region, caste, etc) & hence quality of work gets affected. This is prevalent in all companies.
Posted by: sheshadri - 29 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: sheshadri
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
339:that's unbelievably strange!
Jogi replied to: sheshadri
post - 29 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Jogi
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
341: Companies do not have courage, knowledge and
time to test our knowledge so they come up
with stupid criteria to filter out
candidates. I don't see 'em measuring
knowledge at any stage. They are full with
prejudices and don't even have faith in their
selection procedures, and seems to have more
interest in hiring an engineering degree
rather than an engineer. And hence they
end-up getting a engineer who has rote
learned books but hardly know anything bout
practical application of those concepts.
Posted by: Sushant Verma - 29 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Sushant
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
343:I agree with your opinion, Sushant
Sushil replied to: Sushant Verma
post - 29 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Sushil
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
345: (Disclaimer: I am in my 20's, a foreigner,
and my experience in the matter relates
mostly to the Indian IT industry).
As someone who has recently started a company in India and is now looking to hire a number of employees, I would agree largely with the article that most of the applicants are clearly not employable.
I think many of the students get in to IT solely for the financial reasons: they are told "you can earn so many lakhs in a year if you spend just this much on tuition from us", and most of these colleges have "job placement guarantees". This seems to be the largest contributing factor to the low-quality of (in particular) IT graduates.
From the courses that I have observed, most of the material is irrelevant to the field, and in some cases even focuses on things which should be kept to a side-topic. The students brains get filled up with so much junk, that the important stuff is not learned PROPERLY.
Rarely have I had anyone give me a straight answer to a technical question, and this is the reason I have to personally spend a lot of time asking challenging (yet) relevant questions to potential employees about how things work in the field.
I don't think its necessarily a government problem: more like a marketing problem on the part of these IT schools who I see as little more than paper "degree mills", making false promises to people who otherwise don't know what to do. In my opinion, if all the students are getting 85-90% scores in your tests, they are too easy. Give proper tests and I will hire those who actually do get the 90% marks.
The embellishment or exaggeration of qualifications and achievements on CV's does not help, either, and I find a lot of people will also just say whatever they think I want to hear to get a job: just once I would like someone to challenge me and tell me I'm wrong or give me a better explanation for a given question than I have, or someone who can show me how to do something in a new, more effective or more interesting way.
I want people with passion for technology working in my company. Unlike Infosys etc, I don't have the cash flow (yet) to support 30,000 benched employees, but I do have the cash flow to support better qualified, high quality, highly motivated employees with higher than average salaries and benefits.
My parents told me back in the mid-90's: get in to IT and you'll make a lot of money (which was true at the time). I got out of school just as the dot-com bubble burst, and respect for IT and salaries tanked. I think perhaps that India is at this point now.
As someone who has recently started a company in India and is now looking to hire a number of employees, I would agree largely with the article that most of the applicants are clearly not employable.
I think many of the students get in to IT solely for the financial reasons: they are told "you can earn so many lakhs in a year if you spend just this much on tuition from us", and most of these colleges have "job placement guarantees". This seems to be the largest contributing factor to the low-quality of (in particular) IT graduates.
From the courses that I have observed, most of the material is irrelevant to the field, and in some cases even focuses on things which should be kept to a side-topic. The students brains get filled up with so much junk, that the important stuff is not learned PROPERLY.
Rarely have I had anyone give me a straight answer to a technical question, and this is the reason I have to personally spend a lot of time asking challenging (yet) relevant questions to potential employees about how things work in the field.
I don't think its necessarily a government problem: more like a marketing problem on the part of these IT schools who I see as little more than paper "degree mills", making false promises to people who otherwise don't know what to do. In my opinion, if all the students are getting 85-90% scores in your tests, they are too easy. Give proper tests and I will hire those who actually do get the 90% marks.
The embellishment or exaggeration of qualifications and achievements on CV's does not help, either, and I find a lot of people will also just say whatever they think I want to hear to get a job: just once I would like someone to challenge me and tell me I'm wrong or give me a better explanation for a given question than I have, or someone who can show me how to do something in a new, more effective or more interesting way.
I want people with passion for technology working in my company. Unlike Infosys etc, I don't have the cash flow (yet) to support 30,000 benched employees, but I do have the cash flow to support better qualified, high quality, highly motivated employees with higher than average salaries and benefits.
My parents told me back in the mid-90's: get in to IT and you'll make a lot of money (which was true at the time). I got out of school just as the dot-com bubble burst, and respect for IT and salaries tanked. I think perhaps that India is at this point now.
Posted by: Mathew Carley, Hayai Broadband - 29 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Mathew
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
347:Mathew Carley, what a remarkable insight. You
gave voice to what I have been feeling very
vaguely.
Rohin Gupta replied to: Mathew Carley, Hayai Broadband
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Rohin
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
349:I love your comments on this article. I
completely agree that the quality of
education lacks in our country not only in
the IT industry but also other fields as
well.
As far as the IT graduates are concerned, they spend four years in a college that has been built just as business in some remote area and the learning is 'zilch'.
After all that, they graduate breaking their heads for four years for nothing just to enrol themselves into some training institute to get certified on Microsoft,Cisco or even Oracle products. I think a lot of time and money is wasted here. They rather have top IT consultants visiting these institutions but the problem here there is no passion but the question of 'money' so if there is no economic sense there is no way all that will happen. Nobody thinks about what is really required here where the developed nations have thought about donkeys years ago.
Also I would think the corporates/government/universities and their policies do not concentrate on building our nation
using the technology we serve others for. We should integrate IT and Science & tech to make this happen. If a business like infosys, TCS can create so much capital for themselves to bench thousands, they should be able to step up the game in our own country by building technology collabrating with others and creating jobs for self sustainance so that we not only depend on economic conditions of countries like UK or US and others. However, all this depends on the "People" finally and not the above.
What I have mentioned above you will see completely achieved by our neighbour 'China' in the years to come and
we probably will be serving them for jobs.
As far as the IT graduates are concerned, they spend four years in a college that has been built just as business in some remote area and the learning is 'zilch'.
After all that, they graduate breaking their heads for four years for nothing just to enrol themselves into some training institute to get certified on Microsoft,Cisco or even Oracle products. I think a lot of time and money is wasted here. They rather have top IT consultants visiting these institutions but the problem here there is no passion but the question of 'money' so if there is no economic sense there is no way all that will happen. Nobody thinks about what is really required here where the developed nations have thought about donkeys years ago.
Also I would think the corporates/government/universities and their policies do not concentrate on building our nation
using the technology we serve others for. We should integrate IT and Science & tech to make this happen. If a business like infosys, TCS can create so much capital for themselves to bench thousands, they should be able to step up the game in our own country by building technology collabrating with others and creating jobs for self sustainance so that we not only depend on economic conditions of countries like UK or US and others. However, all this depends on the "People" finally and not the above.
What I have mentioned above you will see completely achieved by our neighbour 'China' in the years to come and
we probably will be serving them for jobs.
Mohammed Reza Khaleeli replied to: Mathew Carley, Hayai Broadband
post - 29 Oct, 2009
post - 29 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Mohammed
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
351: It is our education in colleges which is
ruining the careers of college graduates,
Hardly students are interested to do there
final projects seriously.
Moreover the label of 70+ and 80+ percentage is also major issue, I have seen personally as well as when I took interviews these 75+ candidates they mug the things but cant use there brain in efficient manner.
Our system make students as employees not innovative Personals.
Moreover the label of 70+ and 80+ percentage is also major issue, I have seen personally as well as when I took interviews these 75+ candidates they mug the things but cant use there brain in efficient manner.
Our system make students as employees not innovative Personals.
Posted by: Vishy - 29 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Vishy
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
353:Vishy
I beg to differ they can not be even an employee as they just want to spend their time in a AC room in confort and spend the evenings partying.. Hardly allocate time to enhance their skills. I have seen guys just using cut paste methods to prepare their CV, how do you expect them to be employed at all
Same regarding to projects be at college or at the so called IT factories like NIIT, APTECH to name a few just change the name of the previous student and file it away. NO ORIGINAL creation at any level.
And less said about the faculty at these places the better...
SO how do we expect quality .. the quality is all settled in US and EUROPE and god kmnow where very little left in INDIA.
I beg to differ they can not be even an employee as they just want to spend their time in a AC room in confort and spend the evenings partying.. Hardly allocate time to enhance their skills. I have seen guys just using cut paste methods to prepare their CV, how do you expect them to be employed at all
Same regarding to projects be at college or at the so called IT factories like NIIT, APTECH to name a few just change the name of the previous student and file it away. NO ORIGINAL creation at any level.
And less said about the faculty at these places the better...
SO how do we expect quality .. the quality is all settled in US and EUROPE and god kmnow where very little left in INDIA.
Yoganandam G replied to: Vishy
post - 29 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Yoganandam
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
355:above said comment by vishu is exactly d
reason for poor quality of engineers...i
completely agree with u.
ankit replied to: Vishy
post - 29 Oct, 2009
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post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
357: Need to have some real time, industry
oriented subjects. Students must concentrate
on their academic projects, and internships
while studying, and institutions and
government must take this very seriously.
Posted by: Uday Kadam - 29 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Uday
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
359:There is no dearth of employable or skilled
manpower in india. These companies must gave
a thought to their selection process where
the primary criteria is MARKS in
gradutation.There is so many choice from 106
crores.
rahul replied to: Uday Kadam
post - 29 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: rahul
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
361: Selection of a candidate based on MARKS
should not be the primary criteria. There are
lot of engineers who scored less than the
cutoff percentage, who are really worth
enough to be considered. These engineers are
still unemployed and they are taken by the
small companies. Why dont the big companies
give an opportunity to such people. Coming to
the selection process, engineers have started
byhearting the puzzles from various books and
getting through the interview process. If a
major change happens in the selection
process, the things will definitely change.
Sri replied to: rahul
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Sri
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
363: I think rather than just pondering and
worrying on these awful facts, Industry
should take lead towards giving something
back to India. Infosys mysore ten thousand
student facility is worth appreciation and
draws big applause as first such step in this
regard
which is focusing on skill building in a dedicated manner.Just the way govt asked Ratan Tata to handle Air India and Nilekani taking care of ID project.why cann't govt seriusly think of making any such personality say our holy cow Narayan Murthy as the Boss of Education Ministry.
Kapil sibble might continue to work on primary education. But there's certainly urgent need to address India's education system by someone who has that Vision. Abdul kalam will also do great work I belieave if given charge. But would like this change for betterment form govt lobby.I wish Manmohan singh, Ahluwalia, Jairam Ramesh, Chidambram pay some time to address this grave n serius issue.
Gud Luck to India.
which is focusing on skill building in a dedicated manner.Just the way govt asked Ratan Tata to handle Air India and Nilekani taking care of ID project.why cann't govt seriusly think of making any such personality say our holy cow Narayan Murthy as the Boss of Education Ministry.
Kapil sibble might continue to work on primary education. But there's certainly urgent need to address India's education system by someone who has that Vision. Abdul kalam will also do great work I belieave if given charge. But would like this change for betterment form govt lobby.I wish Manmohan singh, Ahluwalia, Jairam Ramesh, Chidambram pay some time to address this grave n serius issue.
Gud Luck to India.
Posted by: Nitin Sharma - 29 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Nitin
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
365:I think proposed teachers(and non-teachers)
training institute by Azim Premji is a good
step forward..
Rohin Gupta replied to: Nitin Sharma
post - 30 Oct, 2009
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Rohin
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
367:I agree with you .. it is the corporates in
india go to the colleges train the students
on what is required and the need of industry
in coordination and cooperation with the
college to bring out polished engineers / and
business administrators on the first hand and
eventually experience will help him to be
more efficient in the industry . Today we
lack this basic structure of corporate -
college connection ... Nasscom being a
governance body of IT industry should take
this stand . We just need polishing and I am
sure we can produce the finest engineers and
MBAs that world has seen ...
Jitheesh Nair replied to: Nitin Sharma
post - 29 Oct, 2009
post - 29 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Jitheesh
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
369: what this report says is nonsense.Currently
the availabilty of manpower is high and the
demand for them are less.These companies are
not recruiting heavily because they cannot
afford to do so because of cost factor.They
do not want to lay off lot of people and want
to cover up by sending for prolonged training
and blame it on the quality.If they lay off
so many then Mr.Murthy wouldn't been able to
sell his stock at what price he sold.Of
course quality issues exists but not to the
level what these people are proclaiming.
Posted by: GMA - 29 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: GMA
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
371:I guess you have not interviewed the students
who are passing out from masroom engineering
colleges. You just advertise your
requirement and call for freshers for
interview then only you can come to know the
quality of stuff largely available.
gpsng replied to: GMA
post - 29 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: gpsng
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
373: I think rather than just pondering and
worrying on these awful facts, Industry
should take lead towards giving something
back to India.
Posted by: Nitin Sharma - 29 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Nitin
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
375: 75% of them atr not employable by NASSCOM not
by others.The IT companies have been enjoying
all Tax concessions since many years and
lobbied to get 2 more years extensions till
2010.Let them First pay their corporate
Income Tax as Government have spent so much
on IT infrastructures.The so called wealth
creations on paper is stinking.
Posted by: Shyam - 29 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Shyam
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
377: sad but, its true,
coz at the time I completed my B.Tech in computer Science & engg, there were 66 students in my batch. And if someone asked to instal linux in a system, only 6 to 10 will do that. All others will sit and say this was not in our syllabus.
coz at the time I completed my B.Tech in computer Science & engg, there were 66 students in my batch. And if someone asked to instal linux in a system, only 6 to 10 will do that. All others will sit and say this was not in our syllabus.
Posted by: oDx - 29 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: oDx
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
379:I completely agree with this...
Except students from Few Top Ranked institutions, students from other colleges dont usually have much of facilities or faculties to guide them or atleast to make them understand how important a subject is or how difficult it is to survive in IT without proper knowledge on subjects.....
And in most of the cases the Faculties are not much talented in the subjects they handle..
i think much importance should be given on Practicals and real time projects ....so i believe they will be able to get some strong foundation.
Except students from Few Top Ranked institutions, students from other colleges dont usually have much of facilities or faculties to guide them or atleast to make them understand how important a subject is or how difficult it is to survive in IT without proper knowledge on subjects.....
And in most of the cases the Faculties are not much talented in the subjects they handle..
i think much importance should be given on Practicals and real time projects ....so i believe they will be able to get some strong foundation.
GowthaM replied to: oDx
post - 29 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: GowthaM
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
381:You will be surprised, doctors use the same
language.
sanjay doshi replied to: oDx
post - 29 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: sanjay
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
383: Please confirm with the employees what their
actual salaries before publishing crap
provided by NASSCOM. The freshers are paid a
measly sum of around 9K per month in infosys
and not what you claim. They have so many
component in the offer letter which are
misleading and are never paid out.
Posted by: Jairaj - 29 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Jairaj
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
385: Why this unemployment scenario is still
prevailing in India ?
Posted by: Anil - 29 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Anil
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
387:hi. i think our education system is not good
we just concentrate on getting marks not
work on practicals. Teachers also want their
benefits in form of money only.. we can not
blame to the students . Management is
lacking
Kamaljeet Kaur replied to: Anil
post - 30 Oct, 2009
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Kamaljeet
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
389:why the scenario is prevailing. It is very
simple if you look at all the posts above
which say government should do this, AICTE
should do this, Private players should do
this, IT companies should select this way and
all the crap. No body is bothered about what
they can do.
I have a Quick solution to do this. Which i have been practising. As many of us are already working in the IT industry we can go to these colleges on weekends and share the knowledge about industry functioning what tools and technologies they need to focus (teach them if required) and what concepts they need to concentrate on and overall how they can improve themselves to be employable. I have been doing this since the last five years by connecting my self with the academic colleges (mostly weekends)
and for the guys who cant be present in person every week or not at all still the can help this is how
Create yahoo, google, orkut, facebook groups or communities and spend atleast half an hour every week (one person only half an hour) to interact with the students of the college and guide them to improve themselves.
Just mail the information about the groups created to their respective HOD's, Principals and Faculty members urging them to put this information on their notice board.
Let us call this forums as "Industry - Academic - Bridge"
by using one common name we can avoid confusion among students . If anyone has created the same group then join it instead of creating it again
SO guys as mahatma said "Let us be the change what we want to see"
What to you say
I have a Quick solution to do this. Which i have been practising. As many of us are already working in the IT industry we can go to these colleges on weekends and share the knowledge about industry functioning what tools and technologies they need to focus (teach them if required) and what concepts they need to concentrate on and overall how they can improve themselves to be employable. I have been doing this since the last five years by connecting my self with the academic colleges (mostly weekends)
and for the guys who cant be present in person every week or not at all still the can help this is how
Create yahoo, google, orkut, facebook groups or communities and spend atleast half an hour every week (one person only half an hour) to interact with the students of the college and guide them to improve themselves.
Just mail the information about the groups created to their respective HOD's, Principals and Faculty members urging them to put this information on their notice board.
Let us call this forums as "Industry - Academic - Bridge"
by using one common name we can avoid confusion among students . If anyone has created the same group then join it instead of creating it again
SO guys as mahatma said "Let us be the change what we want to see"
What to you say
Krish replied to: Anil
post - 30 Oct, 2009
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Krish
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
391:the rate of increase in opportunities is less
than that required for graduating rate
Aditya Tejaswee Lakkaraju replied to: Anil
post - 29 Oct, 2009
post - 29 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Aditya
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
393: This is really valid point, Please forward
this valuable information to respected
companies CEO's.
Mahesh replied to: Aditya Tejaswee Lakkaraju
post - 30 Oct, 2009
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: Mahesh
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
395: I apprecited all above points, TCS, Infosys,
HCL,Wipro nad more more companies are IT
Companies, then why they are recruit
Mechanical, Electrical and other branches
students, they dont have good knowlegde of
computers, In college they dont know how to
operate Systems.When companies comes in
Colleges campus for recruitment ,then they
make a low cut for other branches and high
cut off for CSE and IT branch,according to me
CSE and IT students have Basic knowledge of
computers, then they can easily grab
anything.
other point , all core branches never hire IT and CS peoples, but ALl IT companies are hiring all branches people based on High score Marks, and they are not upto marks
There are lots of colleges in India, we have to control this, we have to make some paramters for opening the colleges,Like UPTU syllabus , there is no course of linux and basic knowledge...CS and IT students are learning other branch subjects..
There are lots of CS and IT graduates who are wondering here and there for job search , they have skills, knowledge, learning capability.But due to some drawback of colleges and comapnies criteria, they are suffering.
other point , all core branches never hire IT and CS peoples, but ALl IT companies are hiring all branches people based on High score Marks, and they are not upto marks
There are lots of colleges in India, we have to control this, we have to make some paramters for opening the colleges,Like UPTU syllabus , there is no course of linux and basic knowledge...CS and IT students are learning other branch subjects..
There are lots of CS and IT graduates who are wondering here and there for job search , they have skills, knowledge, learning capability.But due to some drawback of colleges and comapnies criteria, they are suffering.
Yash replied to: Mahesh
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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post - 01 May, 2010
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post - 01 May, 2010
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hotelbuchen italien replied to: nixontro
post - 01 May, 2010
post - 01 May, 2010
408: This blog is a real Bullshit.People are
running circles.Get a life dear Indians
rather than fighting each other.
nixontro replied to: Manju
post - 05 Mar, 2010
post - 05 Mar, 2010
409: Knowledge is important than any.
if we have good communication skills, but we dont have any analytical and logical things means is it ok?
or if we have good analytical and logical things means,
which is one is better, if we have intelligence and logical things more means we can improve our communication nothing is there, some poor people will be there they will struggle to study, the will stay only at villages, they will have more skills but dont have communication ,
somany poor peple are there, for them nothing ia there, eventhough they are very well in analyticaly and programiticaly and knowledge but they dont have commucation, so are they not worthy?
how can they will settle, if all are telling like this means..
think abt poor families who completed their enginnering also..
somay r there they r from poor family, they r only the people to their family.
wat to do..
y r u taking ecision based on communication , attitude, how can we will estimate based on some interview ,
Incase my words hurts to any one please apologies me.
Thanks.
if we have good communication skills, but we dont have any analytical and logical things means is it ok?
or if we have good analytical and logical things means,
which is one is better, if we have intelligence and logical things more means we can improve our communication nothing is there, some poor people will be there they will struggle to study, the will stay only at villages, they will have more skills but dont have communication ,
somany poor peple are there, for them nothing ia there, eventhough they are very well in analyticaly and programiticaly and knowledge but they dont have commucation, so are they not worthy?
how can they will settle, if all are telling like this means..
think abt poor families who completed their enginnering also..
somay r there they r from poor family, they r only the people to their family.
wat to do..
y r u taking ecision based on communication , attitude, how can we will estimate based on some interview ,
Incase my words hurts to any one please apologies me.
Thanks.
vamsi replied to: Manju
post - 01 Dec, 2009
post - 01 Dec, 2009
410: Hi every one is first at first Fesher then
only he will become Experinced, and also at
first evryone will be their native language
1st next only the English.
now fresher, after traning he may beco me like wonderful person , choice is there,
y r u saying all freshers r not good.
some persons dont have english communication even though they can perform very very difficult coding..
so its all depends upon "how we will make them to work"
now fresher, after traning he may beco me like wonderful person , choice is there,
y r u saying all freshers r not good.
some persons dont have english communication even though they can perform very very difficult coding..
so its all depends upon "how we will make them to work"
vamsi replied to: Manju
post - 30 Nov, 2009
post - 30 Nov, 2009
411: Yes, I agree all the above comments. But as
of my knowledge, I could strongly agree
communication is mandatory. But for the
technical person they way of problem solving
is very important. When we compare to Japan
and china I don’t feel they have very good
communication skill. Though they are no.1 in
electronic manufacturing and embedded
programming. India is no.1 in software
development. If communication is must then
why they are appointing to marketing people,
project manager and leads. As of my knowledge
communication never gives solution rather
they have to implement the logic. See some of
the major technical websites from Japan or
china they have in their own language. Which
means that going behind to foreign language
is not at all mandatory. Incase my words
hurts to any one please apologies me. Thanks.
Mohammed replied to: Manju
post - 01 Nov, 2009
post - 01 Nov, 2009
412: Its not about the knowledge... what could u
expect from a fresher who on an average has
spend just 4yrs, y dont these companies
provide internships to students , they
provide only paid internships , all are here
to make money. And I know it hurts when you
pay 20k to a person who dont deserve 2k.. but
its not like that all the engineering
students just have the degree...
Its wrong to say that, Y dont companies go for intensive selection process...
y did SAPIENT fired people , Are the engineering students who go through intensive competitions not talented ...
Its just that these companies are here to make money, they dont care about the employees..
Nd these ISO , NASSCOM are bloody bullshit organisations
They make money out of every thing... Its only Paisa for them...
ANd in the end only freshers are blamed.. they dnt remember that they were also freshers, they also didnt knew nything...
Still there is a lot much talent in india than any other country
I am also a fresher and I knw I am talented.. And I would prove myself in IT.
But the attitude is wrong that India dont have talented freshers..
Even the above people who say that they r project managers and still blame to youth.. just ridiculous
Its wrong to say that, Y dont companies go for intensive selection process...
y did SAPIENT fired people , Are the engineering students who go through intensive competitions not talented ...
Its just that these companies are here to make money, they dont care about the employees..
Nd these ISO , NASSCOM are bloody bullshit organisations
They make money out of every thing... Its only Paisa for them...
ANd in the end only freshers are blamed.. they dnt remember that they were also freshers, they also didnt knew nything...
Still there is a lot much talent in india than any other country
I am also a fresher and I knw I am talented.. And I would prove myself in IT.
But the attitude is wrong that India dont have talented freshers..
Even the above people who say that they r project managers and still blame to youth.. just ridiculous
Unknown replied to: Manju
post - 01 Nov, 2009
post - 01 Nov, 2009
413: All this numbers are bullshi
Bharat Jhat,MBA,Symbiosis. replied to: Manju
post - 30 Oct, 2009
post - 30 Oct, 2009
414: Yeah you were very right ..nassscom has
already established benchmarksBut they have
not enforced it.its very hard to sat that
Indian It professional who consist of the
best talents in a few segments are treated as
IT coolies.Forget about quality even many
instructore do not know the coding style
patterns...
All the copy paste attitude and "chalta hai" paradigm is bearing the results whih are very detrimental.imagine an MA in ahistory becoming a project manager after just a few lines of coding and testing.I am not discouraging it .But people have shifted fronm their core competencies and thats why such job cuts and downsizing.If you go thorugh the Bladdr Theory of corporate finance then the power of money paralyzes our thought process.We see money and not the intellectual growth.Thats the most important issue.I hope some MNCs and Indian IT giants are taking note of this .Again when this recession will get over they will hire students in mass.Give offer letters and halt their joining dates.So we should get out of this viscious cycle.imagine we study in India ,breath air of this country and work for companies abroad and hardly any money comes to the country .We work for values for other countries.Some one has to stop this.Otherwise again a recession would come and the entire India Incorporation would be blown away by this financial tsunami
All the copy paste attitude and "chalta hai" paradigm is bearing the results whih are very detrimental.imagine an MA in ahistory becoming a project manager after just a few lines of coding and testing.I am not discouraging it .But people have shifted fronm their core competencies and thats why such job cuts and downsizing.If you go thorugh the Bladdr Theory of corporate finance then the power of money paralyzes our thought process.We see money and not the intellectual growth.Thats the most important issue.I hope some MNCs and Indian IT giants are taking note of this .Again when this recession will get over they will hire students in mass.Give offer letters and halt their joining dates.So we should get out of this viscious cycle.imagine we study in India ,breath air of this country and work for companies abroad and hardly any money comes to the country .We work for values for other countries.Some one has to stop this.Otherwise again a recession would come and the entire India Incorporation would be blown away by this financial tsunami
Joy replied to: Manju
post - 30 Oct, 2009
post - 30 Oct, 2009
415: Because this companies hire those students
that are good in communication their previous
record is good they do not see their present
performance in India their are many small
organization that has very less resource's
manpower they do not spend their time on
training they put them directly into live
project and they give very good result and
these persons are those that is rejected by
these companies like IBM or Oracle.... etc if
u see history all successful person are those
who are rejected...
Tarun Goyal replied to: Manju
post - 30 Oct, 2009
post - 30 Oct, 2009
416:great job Ashwin!
rakesh replied to: ashwin nallari
post - 30 Oct, 2009
post - 30 Oct, 2009
417:This shows standards of our engineering
college. Not sure about role of AICTE ,
Universities in giving quality of education.
I feel to overcome this situation, MNC's should get involved with college curriculum vitae like what EMC do.
I feel to overcome this situation, MNC's should get involved with college curriculum vitae like what EMC do.
Ram replied to: hrishisai
post - 30 Oct, 2009
post - 30 Oct, 2009
418:Seriously yr....Now a days Engineering
college are like Primary schools...where ever
i turn in mu locality i can find a
engineering college in my sight...Hell those
people....they are spoiling the standard of
engineering.....I feel ashamed because of
this..Have to change....this will never ever
improve the education system in TN...this
will only leads to the opposite side....
Manju replied to: hrishisai
post - 30 Oct, 2009
post - 30 Oct, 2009
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