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U.S. colleges say no for setting up Indian campuses

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U.S. colleges say no for setting up Indian campuses
Bangalore: When Human Resource Development Minister Kapil Sibal returned from the U.S. recently, he boasted of a long list of foreign universities interested in setting up shop in India. But it appears that his enthusiasm is not shared by some of the world's top centres of learning.

Instead these universities would rather prefer their researchers to collaborate with their Indian counterparts. According to DNA, neither is Harvard coming, nor is George Washington University. Jim Aisner, Director of media relations at Harvard Business School (HBS) said, "HBS has only one campus and it is in Massachusetts. We have no plans to open more. However, we have research centres around the globe, including one in Mumbai. Their mission is to help HBS faculty with on-site research and course development in each of the regions served."

In fact, most recently, it is Cambridge University that gave a thumbs down to the plan. On Tuesday, Cambridge University Vice Chancellor Prof Alison Richard said that the 800 year old institution was not keen to set up a campus in India, reports Mail Today. "I would like Cambridge's joint working with academic and industry partners to focus on scaling up India's capacity to offer irresistibly high quality and exciting and advanced training opportunity to talented Indian students," she said during a visit to the Indian Institute of Science (IISc).

Asked whether the university planned to open a campus in India, she emphatically said 'no'. A university spokesperson explained that the Cambridge experience was tied to the history and geography of the place and its unique system of small college communities cannot be replicated elsewhere.

Many other universities are believed to have developed cold feet due to the strict norms proposed in the foreign education provider bill. An expert who tracks the Indo-U.S. education scene, said that American universities were waiting to see how the foreign educational institutions (regulation of entry and operation) bill is adopted by parliament. "Some U.S. universities were thinking of setting up campuses here, just the way Michigan University set up a campus in the Middle East or the way it tied up in Singapore and Hong Kong. They were also willing to take up losses initially. But certain provisions in the bill, such as almost 50 percent reservation for SCs/STs and OBCs, hiring, fee structure and ban on remittances, are big sitting points for them," the expert said.

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1: Svpmtech-LabServices
eLabs-Projects.

REF: Indo-US University/Community College Partnership Development Programs.

Indian & US University and Community Colleges should have more frequent visits of their Professors-Lecturers and Students Exchange Programs.
At Both Ends at USA/India University should plan for Global MBA/GLOBAL BS-MS-PhD and Engineering Programs.
After Two years of successful implementation of thse programs the participating Indo.US University should decide on setting up Campus Presence at both locations.
Posted by:Perry Mistry - 11 Feb, 2010
2: Good to know that the American universities are not interested in setting up their branches in India and thanks a lot to them for that.

You, the Indian political leaders and the so called nation builders, open your eyes now and think. Do we really need those univ's to set up their branches in India? Is their education so worthy which Indian education cannot compete with? Our education system and the contents of the education is incomparable with any other country in this world so why do we need them here. If we are fond of few techniques they follow, let us start practicing them in our own universities but please do not let the westerners step into our system and make the citizens to follow them.
Posted by:Anand Akkenapalli - 18 Jan, 2010
3: While it is a noble idea to attract class seat of education like harvard and cambridge, we can do better by investing in our own knowledge base and attract public private participation in this sector. Please donot forget that we found zero and world's oldest and most prestigious university where the wrold came to study was in nalanda, bihar and not in Massachusetts. They were probably nomads and rearing livestock (no proper documentation of history there). Our insane habit of copying th west has landed in this mess. we should go back to our own individuality and can make the world sit up and take notice of us.
Posted by:George Varghese - 14 Jan, 2010
4: I cannot understand the complete picture but Iam pondering why not engage Indian Private sector like for example Reliance says it will build a university either at Mumbai or Delhi according to indian media reports that is a encouraging sign, also in my opinion homework starts at home first ,the only way forward is to draft a framework with IIT Academia both retired and current in conjunction with industry to chart out the focus of syllabus ,research (PHD) then when it starts attracting international attention with its won roots may be then we can think of external engageent
Rama Mohana Rao Anne
Sydney Australia
Posted by:Rama Mohana Rao Anne - 13 Jan, 2010
5:
Hi,

Your comment was interesting.

Could you please visit www.auiedu.com and send your comments to info@auiedu.com

Thanks and best regards,

Vandana
Director
American University of India
www.auiedu.com
Vandana Replied to: Rama Mohana Rao Anne - 13 Jan, 2010
6:
Hi vandana
Thank you for the website I just had a look but I will spend more time on it ,well coming to the point ,I have done my B.E at Hindustan Cllege of Engineering which also has a signed similar tie-up with an university in michigan(I think western michigan at kalmazoo) it is good ,but I think the point above is that Union minister Kapil Sibal and Govt Of India are trying to have world class Universities that foster Research ,Innovation that is well recognized ,like for example Indian Business School at Hyderabad ,given the demand and the number of Indian studnets that are leaving Indian shores for an education has made perhaps Govt Of India take notice ,also probably another point is Sri Sam Pitroda (Knowledege Comission) has put forward some recommendation ,like wise Pan-IIT Conference ,probably in this context ,the above article is making a point ,iam of the opinion that Reliance and other well known private sector companies can step as well also another point is King Abdullah University in the Gulf (please refer it on google or BBC search) ,likeweise India too needs a few more gems like this
Rama Mohana Rao Anne
Sydney Australia
Rama Mohana Rao Anne Replied to: Vandana - 13 Jan, 2010
7: Education starts at the primary, secondary and tertiary (school)level. Further college education is continuation of the school. Foreign universities cater to the school education in their own countries. How can they be suitable for students coming out of Indian schools ?
Posted by:A Basu - 13 Jan, 2010
8:
Point to be noted. I agree.
Abhijit Replied to: A Basu - 14 Jan, 2010
9: In writing any article the Title and first paragraph are paramount. Most people read little more than those. If either are not fully descriptive then the reader is duped.
The first paragraph here says US was not enthusiastic. But in later paragraphs it finally explains the reason why.
The few named like Harvard, Cambridge, etc. are hereditary institutes in that kids get in only because their parents went there, and it's always been like that.
On another note I know that India has 3 years of college while the USA has 4 years for a degree, plus the titles of the degrees are different. I can't imagine how those could be meshed, it would take a lot of work on the part of the USA to solve that (it would change our entire college system), and a lot of money to hire people to do that. In this poor economy the USA can't be expected to do everything other countries wish. The USA does have courses online for some of their colleges though and have had for several years now.
Posted by:Christie Fox - 13 Jan, 2010
10: Many many years ago the Indian government in its infinite wisdom decided to nationalize Coca Cola and IBM in the name of the Greater Good (whatever that is). So they asked Coca Cola to hand over its secret formula for the drink and threatened IBM with a similar request. Both decided to colse down their operation in India. This was when the great, forward thinking, practitioner of terrifying Indian rituals, mahatma Morarjee Desai was in power. American Universities are no exception.

Jim Aisner's statement is very logical in that he is protecting the interests of Harvard University by not willing to open a campus in India but at the same time he is willing to share the wealth of knowledge with his Indian counterparts that will result from the joint research center in Bombay. I don't see anything wrong with this.
Posted by:OneOpinion - 13 Jan, 2010
11:
IMB and Coco Cola have trademarks, and they don't share their secrets with us in the USA either so I don't understand why the reference to them. A trademark, copyright, etc. are the law here.
Christie Fox Replied to: OneOpinion - 13 Jan, 2010
12: Mind your language and change your mentality and need not to talk from platform of Mayadevi. This is common man platform where person of capability succeeds only. Man how frustrating is hard fact that hardworker student who secures 99% and rejected being born in non reserved category and u non-sense who secure less than 50% but born in previliged family manage to secure the jobs. I guess Arjun Singh HR will enforce youth to bring a civil disobedience movement in India if this practice continued who put more petrol in this fire.
Posted by:AKA - 13 Jan, 2010
13: Quota then was brought for poor people but now this is a tool for attracting mid and mid low class people for vote.
Try to build world class universities in India rather trying to bring a depot of university from other region..
We have people power in India and we can do anything.
Just need to make proper use of money for educational funds not in to the pocket of politicians.
Government should be by/for/of the people but not by/for/of politicians families.
Government is being a good business now.. earn but at least try to spend small amount for the benefits of people.
Posted by:Shuaib - 13 Jan, 2010
14: I am in support of quota system at IIT , where professors fix the number of fail grades they have to give . I survived in two courses by just few marks , and was some 15th from behind , whereas 10 people from bottom had to fail and reserved category people always volunteer to fail here . Also .... they boost up other's confidence ... there must be some dullards in class ... who can become bench mark of idioticity.
Thanks arjun and v.p.singh !
Posted by:anonymous - 13 Jan, 2010
15:
and I am a proud to-be-general-category-student at IIT
anonymous Replied to: anonymous - 13 Jan, 2010
16: Why they're not ready to coming to india means, here we have lot of political problems. one more thing here in college itself they are not behaving student. we have religion and caste problems .When we are all unity and behaving proper manner, Then only foreign countries ready to come india. otherwise this is not possible.
Posted by:sathish - 13 Jan, 2010
17: I posted the below comments against Vinodk.
Posted by:A. Shiva kumar - 13 Jan, 2010
18:
What's the reason? Wht Vinod said is right. Education is not in cast or religion. Its time to wakeup and give opportunity to merit student, whether he is backward or forward.
Sanoj Replied to: A. Shiva kumar - 13 Jan, 2010
19: You BASTARD. How dare you could call our born leader Dr. B.R.AMBEDKAR as a bloody scoundrel? You HIGH-CLASS BASTARD can not tolerate people like us becoming educated because you want us to do your HOUSE-HOLD work. Do you want us to be as COOLIES? You are jealous of our growth. You do not want to work with us in your work place. That is the main reason behind your comments.
Posted by:A. Shiva Kumar - 13 Jan, 2010
20:
Hey, one thing if you guys have guts and think you can give stiff resistance in education and have the vision of achieving something in your life then don't get appraised of this crap quota system.
The lone reason why every foreign educational systems doesn't want to come to India is mainly bcoz of this Quota system. Suppose, even if any foreign university setup a campus in India do u think the quota system will not be implemented in that..,if univ. is setup then every individual will get a fair chance to entry on his own merits.
It's really a shame on the politicians who extended this shit quota system till now for their own means bcoz they fearful of their education and fear of not competing enough with other studs.
vinodk Replied to: A. Shiva Kumar - 15 Jan, 2010
21:
Hi Shiva,
Common the time for reservations on caste basis is over. Even Dr. B.R.AMBEDKAR also advised to have the reservation by caste system for 10years. But this bloody politicians for vote bank they are not removing. The quota should be on basis of economic status now not on basis of caste. Now even the children s of high society ppl like (IAS,IPS and big politician) still getting quota only because their caste is backward caste. Why they need quota once they become rich? I think most of the backward classes are already become rich because of the quota they enjoyed all these 60years...Now you are saying BASTARD means you already learnt english and you are in a position to use internet. It means you already progressed. Still you and your kids want reservation based on caste system....That is ridiculous...
bhas Replied to: A. Shiva Kumar - 13 Jan, 2010
22:
We are not jealous from your growth, and we dont want u to be coolies. It should be better to come in front through competition not through quota. Dr.B.R Ambedkar acheived his education not through quota, He is genius. Genius person no need this type of bloody quota system.
Sanoj Nambiar Replied to: A. Shiva Kumar - 13 Jan, 2010
23:
You sucker! why do you want quota? Do you think getting admission into a premier institute on account of quota will improve progress for any body. Quota should be based on economic status and not caste based and that too only at tier 2 institutes. I for one do not care which caste any person is from, it is his quality that matters. It is like have a 100 meters race between people of 2 capabilities, one who can run over 15 secs speed start from the 75 meter marking and who can run below 10 secs start from 100 mtr marking. Come on, if you want to compete and win be at same level so only the best wins. Having education is not like passing a document in a govt office. Only should the real talented person be eligible to sit in that classroom, then it does not matter in which house you were born. Do you understand. Compete Equal. then talk.
sujac Replied to: A. Shiva Kumar - 13 Jan, 2010
24:
Dear Friend Shiva,
No one is Bastard except the people who follow someones ideas or insights. we always keep joining into a group without asking a question why?. Ambedkar had done a good job in his times but it cannot be appreciated in all decades as he is not a saint or Lord Krishna to preach about Geeta. The rules has be to be getting changed over the years. Otherwise we are fools and following something irregular in this century. Always the fittest survives.
Mkrishnan Replied to: A. Shiva Kumar - 13 Jan, 2010
25: Unless the Govt. removes this bloody Quota system from our education system, it's impossible for foreign countries to setup campuses in India and also transparency should be bring forth in education sector which is a worst thing in our system. Whoever the bloody scoundrel has implemented this Quota system and whoever is following should be hanged to death..
In our Country there are gr8 Einsteins, scholars who are becoming extinct bcoz of this crap Quota system and there is no encouragement for the talented persons thats the reason why most of Indian born or NRI are unable to visit to India bcoz of bloody bureacracy, politics and in-house favouritism otherwise there is no need of any foreign universities which Sibal is trying to bring forth.
Shame on HRD ministers and officials who are foot licking foreign universities help who just dont want to innovate things in our homegrown with the available or upcoming talent. My view is help all those talented persons then the time will not be so far India will become a Innovation Country in the near future.
Please preserve quality education and uphelp skilled students instead of that bullshit quota system.
Posted by:vinodk - 13 Jan, 2010
26:
Dear vinodk, for being a genius you dont need university, if you have a chance to see historical data get knowledge from it ..and as long as the above subject of quota system it seems you are getting directly affected. If you are a genius then you bloody why to care about this system. So dont try to abuse something you dont understand and because you havent lived in the places where you can easily find the difference. If you have some thing to say ...first LEARN TO RESPECT. If i now tell you to marry a lower caste ..your behaviour will immediately change mind it. SO LEARN RESPECT FIRST AND BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN TAUGHT IN SITUATION WHERE YOU WHERE GIVEN A PICTURE THAT THESE GUYS ARE GETTING BETTER WHO WHERE SLAVES EARLIER...AND SO YOU BEHAVE LIKE THIS... CHANGE IN YOUSELF IS FIRST THING YOU WANT.
Anand Replied to: vinodk - 17 Jan, 2010
27: ya why shud they agree to quota system anyway
Posted by:fiza - 13 Jan, 2010
28:
it makes lot of sense isn't it. issues are many. universities need complete autonomy to operate for a start. which is hard to comprehend at this stage in India. if govt. is really concerned abt changing the life's of deprived people, prepare them for that competency and not give away free seats, leaving the deserving behind. no sensible country does that!
alex Replied to: fiza - 13 Jan, 2010
29:
Yes, Unless talent is only criteria for student, it will be hard to imagine foreign universities entering to India.

I don't see real benefit in quota any way. An SC/ST Doctors son getting reservation for medical seat is not what was required.

It was to help poor people, Even Supreme Court has mentioned that. But our corrupted politicians don't have eyes/ears. They have only mouth to talk and hands to grab as much money.
Ramesh Replied to: alex - 13 Jan, 2010
30:
Till 12th Standard education is free in India, So there is no point of Poor people and Rich People. if the student is bright and he gets in Govt.college again his education is free, instead of this Scholarship is there. Its because lack of knowledge.Indian govt is imposing 3% education cess from the Excise duty & Custom duty. For giving free education.
T.V.Sanoj Nambiar Replied to: Ramesh - 13 Jan, 2010
31:
yes i truely agree with you...look around,how many poor people get benefits by this reservation.government should provide monetary help to all poor children whether they belong to upper or lower caste.Actually fact is that reservation was brought to create equality,but it is now used by politicians to gain votes.In indian constitution it is mentioned all indian are equal,then why is this partiality.It is not necessary that all general are in good condition.Government should look into records of students,and provide them all requirements,rather than providing them reserved seats.I'm also against reservation for girls.whatever we should achieve,it's all should be built by us and only us.we the young generation wants only inspiration,determination, and little monetary support.then we can beat anyone.even after being educated,we will fight ,then it's a matter of disgust and shame.we should come forward and fight against any social stigma,whether it is based on political issue,religous issue or social issue.
shilpi Replied to: Ramesh - 13 Jan, 2010
32:
Sabari,

I don't agree with you @ all. You said Americans stand tall b'coz their system is the best, but it is not best from day 1. They have made it no. 1 by working on it. The work was done with only Pride. I won't say we should overlook their system but I strongly believe just copying their methods we can't make it to No.1. Let's take some good attributes from them blend it with Indian style & build a education system with pride.
Abhijit Replied to: Sabari - 14 Jan, 2010
33:
Puhleeese....dont drag nationality and 'Pride' into this. Pride is a petty emotion to begin with. Americans stand tall because their system is the best. We need to get there. Just read the article, it says that a lot of interested parties are backing out because of clauses in the Indian bill like reservations to SCST's and OBCs (arguably not just the students but faculty too). As long as petty politics and bias keeps affecting our educational sector, it is gonna remain where it is.
Sabari Replied to: Deepak - 13 Jan, 2010
34:
Indian people should be proud of their educational facilities. We should not try to "copy" or "duplicate" US universities by simply getting them to open campuses in India. This is the problem we have always faced in India - a desperate lack of originality. "Copy" has always been the name of the Indian game. I suggest we work hard to improve our current educational system and stand proud like Americans. Don't simply try to imitate them. Look at their originality for your own inspiration!
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