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Mumbai: The dearth of engineers in the U.S. due to which companies have no other choice but to hire foreign skilled workers to meet their requirements in American companies. Cognizant says that it has 57 recruitment staff in the U.S. looking for local engineers but due to unavailability of skilled workers in U.S., the company is forced to import Indians on work visas, reports Joe Leahy from Financial Times.
"If you look at the core of what we do, the technology work, the US simply doesn't have the talent base today. Although unemployment in the US today is high, IT unemployment is still very low," said Francisco D'Souza, President and Chief Executive, Cognizant.
The border security law was passed by U.S. last month, that will be partly funded by doubling the cost of visas for IT workers, a move that will mostly affect Indian outsourcing companies.
Indian outsourcing companies support a bulk of their staff in India and keep some of its employees in the U.S., who would work closely with the clients.
"About 70 per cent of US PhD students are foreign born and are often hired in the US, making their way into Silicon Valley or government agencies such as Nasa," said Partha Iyengar, of Gartner, the consultancy. "The bigger challenge for the US is, if they start to lose this talent at the lower end, the innovation engine that has been driving the economy starts to dry up," Iyengar added.
According to the National Center for Education Statistics, India's undergraduate university courses produce about 600,000 engineers a year compared with about 84,000 in the U.S. in the academic year of 2007-08.
S.?Gopalakrishnan, Chief Executive of Infosys Technologies, India's second-largest IT company, said the group had 10,000 staff in the U.S. but only 1,600 were nationals or permanent residents. The company wanted to hire 1,000 people a year in the US but faced a scarcity of talent. "It is a struggle," he said.
"If you look at the core of what we do, the technology work, the US simply doesn't have the talent base today. Although unemployment in the US today is high, IT unemployment is still very low," said Francisco D'Souza, President and Chief Executive, Cognizant.
The border security law was passed by U.S. last month, that will be partly funded by doubling the cost of visas for IT workers, a move that will mostly affect Indian outsourcing companies.
Indian outsourcing companies support a bulk of their staff in India and keep some of its employees in the U.S., who would work closely with the clients.
"About 70 per cent of US PhD students are foreign born and are often hired in the US, making their way into Silicon Valley or government agencies such as Nasa," said Partha Iyengar, of Gartner, the consultancy. "The bigger challenge for the US is, if they start to lose this talent at the lower end, the innovation engine that has been driving the economy starts to dry up," Iyengar added.
According to the National Center for Education Statistics, India's undergraduate university courses produce about 600,000 engineers a year compared with about 84,000 in the U.S. in the academic year of 2007-08.
S.?Gopalakrishnan, Chief Executive of Infosys Technologies, India's second-largest IT company, said the group had 10,000 staff in the U.S. but only 1,600 were nationals or permanent residents. The company wanted to hire 1,000 people a year in the US but faced a scarcity of talent. "It is a struggle," he said.
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6: ""The bigger challenge for the US is, if they
start to lose this talent at the lower end,
the innovation engine that has been driving
the economy starts to dry up,"
Um... the innovation engine that was driving the U.S. economy began drying up over a decade ago - the same time that the U.S. was flooded with Indians. Funny,but HAD a booming economy before Indians came to USA. Now the economy is a disaster. Outside of Apple, there has been no innovation in the USA in the same decade that Indians have taken over. Sorry, but this poorly written NASSCOM propaganda doesn't quite fit with the real facts.
Um... the innovation engine that was driving the U.S. economy began drying up over a decade ago - the same time that the U.S. was flooded with Indians. Funny,but HAD a booming economy before Indians came to USA. Now the economy is a disaster. Outside of Apple, there has been no innovation in the USA in the same decade that Indians have taken over. Sorry, but this poorly written NASSCOM propaganda doesn't quite fit with the real facts.
Posted by: Bobo - 27 Nov, 2010
7: No matter the no of engineers our country is
producing .. but the bottom line is that the
basic ethics are taught no whr, neither in
schools not in colleges. i think soon we will
be having another so called course that aftr
a student completes his/her 10 he dosnt need
to do 11,12 whr all the basics are made
concrete. instead of that he will be doing a
5 year engineering course and will be called
another engineer among several thousands
unemployed,
Kindly do something about it Mr. Kapil else then the only options left with these unemployed engineers wud be either to join politics and to take all the money that they have wasted on their engineering course.
Kindly do something about it Mr. Kapil else then the only options left with these unemployed engineers wud be either to join politics and to take all the money that they have wasted on their engineering course.
Posted by: shweta - 10 Sep, 2010
8: If Mr. Kapil Sibal considers himself a
champion of promoting education in India,as i
see him posing in media whenever he gets an
opportunity,then first bring sanity in
private colleges all around
India,particularly UP,the most corrupted
state of India,Education can not be delegated
to people whose sole objective is to make
money by bribing people who matters in
authority.WHEN THE AUTHORITIES WILL RISE?
Just make an honest survey of students of
private institutions in NOIDA,who will tell
you what is going on in these
institutions.For a change,don't act like a
politician,but act like a father.
Posted by: senior citizen - 10 Sep, 2010
9: Hence proved that they will be paralysed if
they continue their protectionist behaviour
Posted by: Sushil - 07 Sep, 2010
10:How did the U.S. create a booming economy
long before Indians ever arrived in the USA?
Protectionism created 2 deacades of economic
growth in the USA - 80s and 90s. A decade of
flooding the USA with Indians has produced
the biggest recession in 70 years. Paralysed?
That's what's happening to the USA right now
- with Indians running things. Why are
Indians so delusional?
Bobo replied to: Sushil
post - 27 Nov, 2010
post - 27 Nov, 2010
11:No. The US will not be "paralyzed" as you put
it. It has and it will continue to attract
talented people from all over the world
including India.
VGS replied to: Sushil
post - 07 Sep, 2010
post - 07 Sep, 2010
12:United States are always needed technical
skilled workers. Actually they are always
trying to show strict and toughest country.
We India's already proved that we are the best. But United States don't like Indians, that's reason they are always trying to update his policy against Indians.
I am hoping in some years United States lose his density and power of economy.
I am feeling good, because i know that United States is loosing skilled workers and they want Indians Skilled workers.
We India's already proved that we are the best. But United States don't like Indians, that's reason they are always trying to update his policy against Indians.
I am hoping in some years United States lose his density and power of economy.
I am feeling good, because i know that United States is loosing skilled workers and they want Indians Skilled workers.
Sanjay Kumar replied to: Sushil
post - 07 Sep, 2010
post - 07 Sep, 2010
13: Why are you so delusional. If you are the
best then why has India not created its own
commercial operating system? If you are the
best, why does every U.S. company you touch
go into decline or die. Apple CLOSED its
R&D in India in 2006 and it still hires
mostly Americans. Apple is BOOMING out of
control. You people are pathetic. Not only
can't you produce anything, but you're
delusional on top of that. Wake up and
recognize that you people destroy everything
you touch. We're updating our policy against
Indians because we DID let you in for over 10
years and all you have produced is the
biggest recession in 70 years. Maybe if you
had actually delivered on your promise of
keeping the US economy going, we wouldn't be
trying to get rid of you.
Bobo replied to: Sanjay Kumar
post - 27 Nov, 2010
post - 27 Nov, 2010
14: USA is turning to protectionism not it is
easy but because it is difficult. The US as a
nation ahs gone in to some sort of
hibernation waiting to explode ... I think in
future the country that put man on moon will
raie aain they are not like Indians. They
have the culture to do it as they did it and
continue to do.
It is that they sensed that the population and intelligence in not in their favour the way things move ... so they are drumming it up to revive themselves. We Indians intend to learn from Americans has to accept this and find a way in the new order of world.
It is that they sensed that the population and intelligence in not in their favour the way things move ... so they are drumming it up to revive themselves. We Indians intend to learn from Americans has to accept this and find a way in the new order of world.
Suresh replied to: Sanjay Kumar
post - 09 Sep, 2010
post - 09 Sep, 2010
15: Sanjay...no disrespect to you. Truly it is
sad to read your comments and your are
wrong.India is getting better and we have a
long way to go. First thing India needs to do
is 100% garbage clearence and fix foot paths.
If we do not have the art, will and
technology of taking care fundamentals...
truly we have a very lo...ng way to go.
k c venugopal replied to: Sanjay Kumar
post - 07 Sep, 2010
post - 07 Sep, 2010
16: It is sad that US wants indian IITan's and
talent is shown there and they are paid HIGH
salary in NASA. why can't our Govt rethink on
our R&D in space research/Atomic Research
etc. remove Reservations and pay very high
salary to talented people and retain them in
INDIA.It is also a shame that Atomic energy
still retails old people ie overaged people
in the top positions, there people still in
age of 65 to 70 working as consultants and
taking salaries.will Govt stop this.Let US go
to hell, Retaining young talented and engg
students and Research people
Posted by: Jayasankar - 07 Sep, 2010
17: Dear Sir,
I am H.S.Sharma,B.Tech.IIT bombay,1963,M.S.(U.K.)India produces 800,000 engineers /per yr/What is their quality,leave aside iit/nit what about the private engg. college 2,000 nos/No standard/I teach in an a private engg college/no rules /no ethics/only money/I take lab in fluid mechanics/Heat transfer/No equipment works/not even a lab attendant is appointed /WHY?
Because a minimum of rs.5000/p.m. must be paid ie rs.60,000/p.a.Instead they bribe the external examiner by giving rs.10,000/get the formality of exam in UPTU done
The student have never any practical in their four yrs stay
What type of knowledge we are providing/IS KAPIL SIBAL,MINISTER OF EDUCATION LISTENING H S Sharma M09873020599E mailhuda1921@gmail.com
I am H.S.Sharma,B.Tech.IIT bombay,1963,M.S.(U.K.)India produces 800,000 engineers /per yr/What is their quality,leave aside iit/nit what about the private engg. college 2,000 nos/No standard/I teach in an a private engg college/no rules /no ethics/only money/I take lab in fluid mechanics/Heat transfer/No equipment works/not even a lab attendant is appointed /WHY?
Because a minimum of rs.5000/p.m. must be paid ie rs.60,000/p.a.Instead they bribe the external examiner by giving rs.10,000/get the formality of exam in UPTU done
The student have never any practical in their four yrs stay
What type of knowledge we are providing/IS KAPIL SIBAL,MINISTER OF EDUCATION LISTENING H S Sharma M09873020599E mailhuda1921@gmail.com
Posted by: H.S.SHARMA - 07 Sep, 2010
18:it is true. i have graduated from the same
kind of college..
varun replied to: H.S.SHARMA
post - 20 Sep, 2010
post - 20 Sep, 2010
19:Very well put. I think Mr.Kapil Sibal has
destroyed education system in India. The
value and ethics the Indian engineers
commanded up to 1980s can't be be matched by
today's engineers including those from
IIT/NITs.
JB Padhi replied to: H.S.SHARMA
post - 07 Sep, 2010
post - 07 Sep, 2010
20:I am fully agree with you.
dinesh replied to: H.S.SHARMA
post - 07 Sep, 2010
post - 07 Sep, 2010
21: Hi H.S.SHARMA, instead of going all arround
we have stream line our INDIAN ADMINISTRATION
SYSTEM then think over competating other
countries then only we can make all
impossiblities become possible.........
Umesh Y replied to: dinesh
post - 07 Sep, 2010
post - 07 Sep, 2010
22: It is very comforting reading.
Here in India there is lot of debate going on saying out engineers ( IT ) are not highly employable.
In that context the above article says exactly opposite, though it is in USA.
Obviously what wins the race is best quality for a best ( read as fair ) price, which India is capable of producing.
Here in India there is lot of debate going on saying out engineers ( IT ) are not highly employable.
In that context the above article says exactly opposite, though it is in USA.
Obviously what wins the race is best quality for a best ( read as fair ) price, which India is capable of producing.
Posted by: SUDHAKAR KULKARNI - 07 Sep, 2010
23:If your quality is best then why does every
company you touch die or do into decline?
Bobo replied to: SUDHAKAR KULKARNI
post - 27 Nov, 2010
post - 27 Nov, 2010
24: Question is whether cheap labour is the only
reason for indian engineers to be hired?
Answer is resounding NO. Indian engineers are
talented as well.
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Posted by: Kid a - 06 Sep, 2010
25: This is serprising, There is no dearth of
engineers of all kinds and other
professionals, right now most of them working
as cashier in store or even clean-up jobs for
living, and companies hires cheap labor from
foreign. They forget that when it comes to
sale their products, they want to sale it to
unemployed americans of course.
Posted by: Desi - 06 Sep, 2010
26:That's a good one. What else can these
"engineers" do? Professional colleges have
mushroomed in India and has become a BIG
business. 6 lakh (& increasing by the
minute!) engineers per year pass out but how
many of them are worth to be a fitter? They
are nothing but black mailers or pampered
kids of rich parents. I have seen them over
the last 25 yrs and am convinced that today
they are passing out with just a paper in
hand called certificate. Today we have gone
down so low on quality that M.Tech. is
available on correspondence, who cares about
GATE? If the US or any Country can hire these
guys it will be good.
JB Padhi replied to: Desi
post - 07 Sep, 2010
post - 07 Sep, 2010
27: Impressive! I didn't realise that India
produces more undergraduate engineers than
the US. I knew India was up there, in the top
5 and certainly top 10. But this is a
revelation. So where then is India lacking,
in Phd engineers doing research?
Posted by: Varun Shekhar - 06 Sep, 2010
28:Maybe graduating more, but of what quality?
Unaccredited IIT? Unable to produce anything?
Create messed up projects that Americans have
to clean up later. Go ahead and produce 1
billion engineers. If you can't produce even
one who can produce a product, then you've
got 1 billion engineers too many.
Bobo replied to: Varun Shekhar
post - 27 Nov, 2010
post - 27 Nov, 2010
29:India is called "the children producing
machine" by the US and Europe. Not for
nothing.
JB Padhi replied to: Varun Shekhar
post - 07 Sep, 2010
post - 07 Sep, 2010
30: Listen Obama, listen. Now you know what kind
of people these servicing companies are
looking for.
Posted by: The Truth - 06 Sep, 2010
31: It's a total lie, they just wanted to hire
from india just because they are cheap and
make more profit margins.
Posted by: USACitizen - 06 Sep, 2010
32:Come on man, how come any company (which is
there to make profit) would like to go for
cheap labor but no quality. Its universal
fact that cheap labor from India, YES but at
the cost of poor quality, NO WAY.
Lets keep US aside for some time and think globally. Best quality and skills is the only reason that indians are present almost everywhere in world.
Coming back to the point:
Why Pre-Obama administrations ever failed to raise this issue? Can you please provide some light on this. Why only Obama had this magic-dream? Does this mean pre-obama admin's had no talent to bring this matter?
Lets keep US aside for some time and think globally. Best quality and skills is the only reason that indians are present almost everywhere in world.
Coming back to the point:
Why Pre-Obama administrations ever failed to raise this issue? Can you please provide some light on this. Why only Obama had this magic-dream? Does this mean pre-obama admin's had no talent to bring this matter?
Mahantesh Khairate replied to: USACitizen
post - 07 Sep, 2010
post - 07 Sep, 2010
33:no, man it is true u can check this data,even
ur president admit this fact........india is
really leading,hwever obstacle came in our
way......we r more in no. is a reason bt we r
skilled is another reson....and certainly we
provide a cheap & quality labour
raj,india replied to: USACitizen
post - 06 Sep, 2010
post - 06 Sep, 2010
34: A number of my friends (BTW I am an Indian)in
the US who have worked with engineers and IT
guys in India have very bad experience. They
complain about the quality of their skills
level and ability to communicate properly.
600,000 engineers does not mean anything if
they are poorly qualified and not ready to
contribute.
VGS replied to: raj,india
post - 07 Sep, 2010
post - 07 Sep, 2010
35:Did u read it properly ?.India produces about
6 lakhs undergraduate engineers every year
and U.S just 84,000.This clearly proves that
India has much stronger talent base than U.S
and ofcourse , cost may also be an another
factor for these companies willing to hier
from India .But clearly the crux is "Talent
Base".
Ajai replied to: USACitizen
post - 06 Sep, 2010
post - 06 Sep, 2010
36: Do you know how many enginners single college
like Drexel or Berkely produce!
Desi, US replied to: Ajai
post - 06 Sep, 2010
post - 06 Sep, 2010
37: we are talking about talented
engineers..which is the need of cooprate
world..wether its indian or american..the
point is who have strong concept clearity
will win the race..
pankaj replied to: Desi, US
post - 06 Sep, 2010
post - 06 Sep, 2010
38: Hm good to know this....
Posted by: ankit - 06 Sep, 2010
39:Offcourse India has talent but not all... If
you will see quality in education system in
india, really pathetic except IIT/NITs/Govt
Colleges etc. 800,000 engineers per year, 90%
engineers from such colleges where poor
infrastructure/labs/faculty etc, just sucking
money from engineers. So you cannt compare to
US. US hiring Indian due to only low
cost(90%). 10% only hiring for skilled/talent
pool from India.
Asad replied to: ankit
post - 07 Sep, 2010
post - 07 Sep, 2010
40: true .very true...if sibal suddenly put a ban
on any further growth of engineering colleges
, india will surely reach a US status after a
decade.
In order to do this stop criticising brain drain for a moment and increase funding to existing nits/govt colleges/private colleges.make all private govt aided. The result will be quality in engineering education , improvement in scientific R&D.All Indian engg's will find job in their own country depending on their field of interest and make US go on their own keeping intact all collateral treaties.
In order to do this stop criticising brain drain for a moment and increase funding to existing nits/govt colleges/private colleges.make all private govt aided. The result will be quality in engineering education , improvement in scientific R&D.All Indian engg's will find job in their own country depending on their field of interest and make US go on their own keeping intact all collateral treaties.
Rahul Bhatta replied to: Asad
post - 05 Nov, 2010
post - 05 Nov, 2010
41: good news for indian engg.
sunil Dutt Lekhwar replied to: Asad
post - 07 Sep, 2010
post - 07 Sep, 2010
42: hi! well think so that U.S hiring indian
engineers bcoz indian engineers are so
talented and realistic in nature. and work
for them is like a challenge to do and they
accept it and try to win them,
sarpreet replied to: sunil Dutt Lekhwar
post - 09 Sep, 2010
post - 09 Sep, 2010
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