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Sacked Wipro employee alleges harassment
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Bangalore: An ex-employee of Wipro has filed a harassment case with the Electronics City police against some senior officials of the company after his services were terminated, reports Bangalore Mirror. Ram Manohar G, a native of Hyderabad, has alleged that he was confined to a room and harassed by his seniors, and was finally forced to quit. The 37 year old techie had been working as a team leader in the organization for the past 15 months.
According to Ram, he joined Wipro on Dec 3, 2007 and was unlawfully sacked on March 10 this year. Earlier he was working with MindTree in Bangalore. In his complaint, he alleged that he was confined to a room for a couple of hours at a stretch on several occasions by the higher-ups, and asked each time to resign. "It all started when recession hit the IT business. As far as my knowledge goes, some seven to eight thousand employees have been sacked during the last couple of months. But looking at my 11 years of experience and good track record, I was not really bothered about my services being terminated," he said.
In his complaint, he said, "I was confined by Anuradha Raju (Assistant Manager, TED, Testing Services, BFSI) in a conference hall inside the campus and was forced to sign on some blank papers. When I asked for the reason, she threatened that they would blacklist my name with NASSCOM and ensure that I did not get a job elsewhere."
Ram has also accused Ganesh Halapeti (Senior Project Manager, AXA, Australia) of abusing him in vulgar language over the phone. "He threatened that if I did not sign on the blank papers, my career would be ruined. I was also ordered to come to the office and work despite being sick." He also approached the HR Department about the incident, but no one paid heed to his grievance. "After I was sacked for no proper reason, I am in a state of shock and am facing acute financial problems."
Saurabh Govil, Senior Vice-President (HR), Wipro Technologies said, "We have not seen the complaint and would not like to comment before seeing it. The ex-employee in question, Ram Mohan, was employed with Wipro. We will not be able to provide any specific information on the individual due to employee confidentiality."
Govil said that the company would provide all the necessary co-operation and support to the investigating authorities in the matter. "We have a very robust process to deal with employee grievances. We have not had any complaints of this nature ever before. This may be an isolated case," he said.
According to Ram, he joined Wipro on Dec 3, 2007 and was unlawfully sacked on March 10 this year. Earlier he was working with MindTree in Bangalore. In his complaint, he alleged that he was confined to a room for a couple of hours at a stretch on several occasions by the higher-ups, and asked each time to resign. "It all started when recession hit the IT business. As far as my knowledge goes, some seven to eight thousand employees have been sacked during the last couple of months. But looking at my 11 years of experience and good track record, I was not really bothered about my services being terminated," he said.
In his complaint, he said, "I was confined by Anuradha Raju (Assistant Manager, TED, Testing Services, BFSI) in a conference hall inside the campus and was forced to sign on some blank papers. When I asked for the reason, she threatened that they would blacklist my name with NASSCOM and ensure that I did not get a job elsewhere."
Ram has also accused Ganesh Halapeti (Senior Project Manager, AXA, Australia) of abusing him in vulgar language over the phone. "He threatened that if I did not sign on the blank papers, my career would be ruined. I was also ordered to come to the office and work despite being sick." He also approached the HR Department about the incident, but no one paid heed to his grievance. "After I was sacked for no proper reason, I am in a state of shock and am facing acute financial problems."
Saurabh Govil, Senior Vice-President (HR), Wipro Technologies said, "We have not seen the complaint and would not like to comment before seeing it. The ex-employee in question, Ram Mohan, was employed with Wipro. We will not be able to provide any specific information on the individual due to employee confidentiality."
Govil said that the company would provide all the necessary co-operation and support to the investigating authorities in the matter. "We have a very robust process to deal with employee grievances. We have not had any complaints of this nature ever before. This may be an isolated case," he said.
Reader's comments(522)
1: Wipro managers terminate, sack its employees
too quickly, before properly evaluating the
best roles . This can be a mess later on if
you discover that you have cut a critical
employee and now need to hire that person
back.
Posted by: veera - 22 Sep, 2009
2:Hi all, I was just going through the
complaints, feedbacks about Wipro BPO. Well,
it seems I'm also from the same boat as you
all are. The situation with me here is a bit
different. I was an ex-emp of Wipro BPO,
Belapur worked with Wipro BPO, Belapur from
Dec 2004 - Apr 2005 as they considered me as
non-performer, I couldn't hit the floor etc.
Fine... In year 2005, I got another BPO job
and worked there for almost 4 years pretty
well and of course a good package too,
strengthen my BPO experience level too.
Now, in this recession period, it seems companies are not hiring the skilled candidates but they're hiring freshers/brand new college students who wants to work for their companies for couple of months...may be as a vacation, and just leave when its time to study.
The real story starts here... As I mentioned above, I worked for Wipro in 2004-2005 and later another BPO, and after that on Oct 10th, 2009 one of my friend working in Wipro informed me about the job opening for backoffice(which requires a good typing speed + the analytical skills).
I went there on very next day i.e. Sunday, Oct 11th, 2009 for my interview rounds. There were around sixty candidates. Out of sixty, I guess just 15-20 candidates were selected in their first round of interview which was the Typing test. I guess I was above everyone as 79w.p.m.+99% accuracy level which can surprise anyone, nothing new to me.
After seeing my typing speed & accuracy, everyone(incl HR) was shocked and that HR lady started asking me few questions generally about my past working experience and all. I told her that I am an ex-emp of Wipro, and have worked with other BPO too. So she asked me about the working duration in Wipro, I told her it was 4 months, company asked me to put down the papers as I was non-performer. I had releaving letter too. By the way, it was my first BPO experience in my life.
She discussed with her management, and came back saying "I'm sorry, but we cannot select you as the company policy states that the ex-emp criteria has to be for minimum 6 months" means, if it is ex-emp case, I should have been in the company for minimum 6 months. Well, it was they who asked me to put down the papers, it was neither me who took the decision to leave the company nor it was an absconding case.
Secondly, I later on realized she meant to say that I can never try again for Wipro. That's why I wonder, these BPOs are hiring unskilled/freshers and not experienced/skilled candidates. I wonder, how their business is going to grow......
Later, I sweetly asked her, you mean I cannot try for this company in my life in future even. I told her "Look, it was in the year 2004-2005, and it wasn't me who left the company, in fact, company asked me to leave, so I did."
After that , when she realized this, she told me that she will shoot a mail across to the upper HR management team, and try to put a word for me etc.etc., today, when I spoke to her, she simply said that "I discussed, and they have denied it, hence we cannot take you in."
So, I think the better trick was to delete my past Wipro experience from the resume, but after experiencing lot of other things, I avoided my bad mind at that time.
...but, my advice to ya'll just be honest, and play smart......
I'm trying to locate as much as contact information for the Wipro-HR Heads sitting in Belapur operations, may be I can prepare a nice letter, and shoot it in their email inbox.
Anyone with Wipro Belapur operation contact information(such as contact numbers, email addresses) would be highly appreciated.
Thanks a lot in advance.
Cheerz....
Assassin
Now, in this recession period, it seems companies are not hiring the skilled candidates but they're hiring freshers/brand new college students who wants to work for their companies for couple of months...may be as a vacation, and just leave when its time to study.
The real story starts here... As I mentioned above, I worked for Wipro in 2004-2005 and later another BPO, and after that on Oct 10th, 2009 one of my friend working in Wipro informed me about the job opening for backoffice(which requires a good typing speed + the analytical skills).
I went there on very next day i.e. Sunday, Oct 11th, 2009 for my interview rounds. There were around sixty candidates. Out of sixty, I guess just 15-20 candidates were selected in their first round of interview which was the Typing test. I guess I was above everyone as 79w.p.m.+99% accuracy level which can surprise anyone, nothing new to me.
After seeing my typing speed & accuracy, everyone(incl HR) was shocked and that HR lady started asking me few questions generally about my past working experience and all. I told her that I am an ex-emp of Wipro, and have worked with other BPO too. So she asked me about the working duration in Wipro, I told her it was 4 months, company asked me to put down the papers as I was non-performer. I had releaving letter too. By the way, it was my first BPO experience in my life.
She discussed with her management, and came back saying "I'm sorry, but we cannot select you as the company policy states that the ex-emp criteria has to be for minimum 6 months" means, if it is ex-emp case, I should have been in the company for minimum 6 months. Well, it was they who asked me to put down the papers, it was neither me who took the decision to leave the company nor it was an absconding case.
Secondly, I later on realized she meant to say that I can never try again for Wipro. That's why I wonder, these BPOs are hiring unskilled/freshers and not experienced/skilled candidates. I wonder, how their business is going to grow......
Later, I sweetly asked her, you mean I cannot try for this company in my life in future even. I told her "Look, it was in the year 2004-2005, and it wasn't me who left the company, in fact, company asked me to leave, so I did."
After that , when she realized this, she told me that she will shoot a mail across to the upper HR management team, and try to put a word for me etc.etc., today, when I spoke to her, she simply said that "I discussed, and they have denied it, hence we cannot take you in."
So, I think the better trick was to delete my past Wipro experience from the resume, but after experiencing lot of other things, I avoided my bad mind at that time.
...but, my advice to ya'll just be honest, and play smart......
I'm trying to locate as much as contact information for the Wipro-HR Heads sitting in Belapur operations, may be I can prepare a nice letter, and shoot it in their email inbox.
Anyone with Wipro Belapur operation contact information(such as contact numbers, email addresses) would be highly appreciated.
Thanks a lot in advance.
Cheerz....
Assassin
Annonymous replied to: veera
post - 13 Oct, 2009
post - 13 Oct, 2009
3: hey am interested in reading this, please
copy me if you can at shivadhan7@yahoo.com
am not an employee of Wipro and i don't think so i would try for it.
am not an employee of Wipro and i don't think so i would try for it.
Shivdhan K M replied to: Annonymous
post - 27 Nov, 2009
post - 27 Nov, 2009
4: madhulika.singh@wipro.com
WIPRO sucks replied to: Annonymous
post - 17 Nov, 2009
post - 17 Nov, 2009
5: Every company are misusing their powers. They
abuse the employees and create an unhealthy
environment. I know wipro senior management
have given approval for such illegal sacking.
Posted by: kundan prakash - 22 Sep, 2009
6: Hats off to the person who had guts to
complain. Do any one of have the similar guts
to highlight the harassment problems in
wipro?
Posted by: nayeem - 20 Sep, 2009
7: Ram had audacity to protest against these
perpetrators of crime in India and Australia.
As I can see large number of victims in this
comments area, why these guys are getting the
inspiration to boldly report these crimes to
police. I presume the HR managers threatened
them of the consequences after the complaint.
Posted by: Sudhir - 17 Sep, 2009
8: Employee is working for Vertical managers and
horinzontal managers are giving the
performance rating for the best performers
and ignoring Vertical managers and business
appreciation emails. So many instances are
there where NI rating was given to best
performers.
If no IT boom, then employees would have gone to European countries, would have spread accross the world or Gov. job etc. and with out any stress they used to work.
If no IT boom, then employees would have gone to European countries, would have spread accross the world or Gov. job etc. and with out any stress they used to work.
Posted by: joseph - 11 Sep, 2009
9: Was going through the posts. Here are my
thoughts:
1)Companies, all companies, exist to make profit, give returns to its shareholders. Essentially to make money. Do not know of any company which is always willing to make losses, excepting PSUs in India. The quicker we youngsters realzie this the better. If we dont we should look for NGOs as employers who do some good for the society.
2)IT industry has provided lots of employment and money to millions of youngsters in the last 10-15 years. I shudder to think if there was no IT boom. May be many of us engineers would have been selling mobile phone sim cards, credit cards at malls and markets, working in some Lalaji's manufacturing unit at Rs 8000 pm or on the highways as construction engineers. Better ones would have surely gone abroad.
3) In their frenzied growth companies have gone and hired people from campuses all across the country. And we all know what is the standard of these campuses, with folks walking in with fat cash and getting admitted, passing out by hook or crook etc. SO essentially garbage in and garbage out. Looking at the language and grammar used in the comments looks like many of people here are from these colleges.
4)I am sure there will be some good guys from these D grade campuses but very few.
5) These folks have it very good so far, Going to US and saving loads of money, sometimes even beyond their wildest dreams
6) Businesses face downturn and people not up to the mark are let go. These folks, and US is a prime example, find either lower paying jobs or go to different industries where thier skills are better matched.
7) IT industry, looked recession proof to all the employees. No industry is.
8) Once the IT is back to mormal growth no one will even go to these sites or waste time on these columns. All this talk of Union and all will vanish. UNITES will get disbanded as the members would have found jobs by then
9)We already have a union, which is such sites, which give vent to our fury. But why dont we start using our brains instead of crying wolf?
10) Wipro or Infy or IBMs are not the only companies demanding performance. Go to their website and check the manpower numbers in their financial reports. All of these companies have let people go. Business conditions have forced them to become less tolerant to perennial benchers who will only go onsite or threaten to resign. They have started demanding performance from employees.
11) It would be ridiculous to assume that all the companies and their so called conniving, unfair managers will let go some of their best performing employees to write abusive blogs and comments and notes and news items and keep all the morons in the company.
12) Pl understand that all of us are managers and nothing stops the companies from terminating the contract and letting us go, no court can do anything here. The release letter will simply say terminated. Will that be better? Who will give employment to a terminated employee? If they are asking some of us to resign then it may be in our own interest for our future. Yes if some of them are treating unfairly then we can go to court. Else it is just tilting at the windmills.
1)Companies, all companies, exist to make profit, give returns to its shareholders. Essentially to make money. Do not know of any company which is always willing to make losses, excepting PSUs in India. The quicker we youngsters realzie this the better. If we dont we should look for NGOs as employers who do some good for the society.
2)IT industry has provided lots of employment and money to millions of youngsters in the last 10-15 years. I shudder to think if there was no IT boom. May be many of us engineers would have been selling mobile phone sim cards, credit cards at malls and markets, working in some Lalaji's manufacturing unit at Rs 8000 pm or on the highways as construction engineers. Better ones would have surely gone abroad.
3) In their frenzied growth companies have gone and hired people from campuses all across the country. And we all know what is the standard of these campuses, with folks walking in with fat cash and getting admitted, passing out by hook or crook etc. SO essentially garbage in and garbage out. Looking at the language and grammar used in the comments looks like many of people here are from these colleges.
4)I am sure there will be some good guys from these D grade campuses but very few.
5) These folks have it very good so far, Going to US and saving loads of money, sometimes even beyond their wildest dreams
6) Businesses face downturn and people not up to the mark are let go. These folks, and US is a prime example, find either lower paying jobs or go to different industries where thier skills are better matched.
7) IT industry, looked recession proof to all the employees. No industry is.
8) Once the IT is back to mormal growth no one will even go to these sites or waste time on these columns. All this talk of Union and all will vanish. UNITES will get disbanded as the members would have found jobs by then
9)We already have a union, which is such sites, which give vent to our fury. But why dont we start using our brains instead of crying wolf?
10) Wipro or Infy or IBMs are not the only companies demanding performance. Go to their website and check the manpower numbers in their financial reports. All of these companies have let people go. Business conditions have forced them to become less tolerant to perennial benchers who will only go onsite or threaten to resign. They have started demanding performance from employees.
11) It would be ridiculous to assume that all the companies and their so called conniving, unfair managers will let go some of their best performing employees to write abusive blogs and comments and notes and news items and keep all the morons in the company.
12) Pl understand that all of us are managers and nothing stops the companies from terminating the contract and letting us go, no court can do anything here. The release letter will simply say terminated. Will that be better? Who will give employment to a terminated employee? If they are asking some of us to resign then it may be in our own interest for our future. Yes if some of them are treating unfairly then we can go to court. Else it is just tilting at the windmills.
Posted by: Arthur James - 10 Sep, 2009
10:Arthur,
1) An IT boom does not justify unethical and corrupt practices. A single employees life is far more valuable than a million getting employed.
2) Have you heard of the story of the farmer who killed his goose which used to lay golden eggs? That's what Wipro has just done. Vishal Yadav dies on Aug 28th. Observe the sequence of events after this: Labour laws are exempted for 2 years in Karnataka for IT companies as on 1 Sep. There is a rumour that Wipro is planning to promote a few employees (I bet, its again the top management). More than 2 new orders disclosed within 2 weeks - so as to capture the media. Arthur, i bet you a thousand that the top management has freaked out. They dont get their sleep anymore.
3) If the companies can issue a termination letter, why aren't they issuing it? Let me tell you: Integrity issues (fraud), sexual harrassment etc attracts a non-tolerance policy. These activities can be proven in court without doubt. But non-performance is a relative subject. This cannot be proved in court. Secondly, if the employee approaches court, more than the legal issues, it is the reputation risk that worries the management - which they hope to cover up easily.
4) Arthur, i can assure you that these are not perennial bench cats. These are performers whose projects were ramped down. Almost 10k are on bench currently. But due poor management, the company continues recruit, without considering the bench.
5) I beg to differ with your point that without IT we would have been getting paid an 8000 pm. Its a paradigm. Besides, past achievements cannot compensate the present-day downfall. Does the manager appraise his reportee for performance 15 years back?
6) Once IT is back in swing, rest assured - Wipro is bound to shut shop since no performer would join this company. Since once if a performer is asked to leave under the tag of non-performance, its clearly below the belt. No performer would ever join these companies henceforth.
As an end-note: Anything grey is black. And Wipro is clearly black.
1) An IT boom does not justify unethical and corrupt practices. A single employees life is far more valuable than a million getting employed.
2) Have you heard of the story of the farmer who killed his goose which used to lay golden eggs? That's what Wipro has just done. Vishal Yadav dies on Aug 28th. Observe the sequence of events after this: Labour laws are exempted for 2 years in Karnataka for IT companies as on 1 Sep. There is a rumour that Wipro is planning to promote a few employees (I bet, its again the top management). More than 2 new orders disclosed within 2 weeks - so as to capture the media. Arthur, i bet you a thousand that the top management has freaked out. They dont get their sleep anymore.
3) If the companies can issue a termination letter, why aren't they issuing it? Let me tell you: Integrity issues (fraud), sexual harrassment etc attracts a non-tolerance policy. These activities can be proven in court without doubt. But non-performance is a relative subject. This cannot be proved in court. Secondly, if the employee approaches court, more than the legal issues, it is the reputation risk that worries the management - which they hope to cover up easily.
4) Arthur, i can assure you that these are not perennial bench cats. These are performers whose projects were ramped down. Almost 10k are on bench currently. But due poor management, the company continues recruit, without considering the bench.
5) I beg to differ with your point that without IT we would have been getting paid an 8000 pm. Its a paradigm. Besides, past achievements cannot compensate the present-day downfall. Does the manager appraise his reportee for performance 15 years back?
6) Once IT is back in swing, rest assured - Wipro is bound to shut shop since no performer would join this company. Since once if a performer is asked to leave under the tag of non-performance, its clearly below the belt. No performer would ever join these companies henceforth.
As an end-note: Anything grey is black. And Wipro is clearly black.
Padmanabhan replied to: Arthur James
post - 15 Sep, 2009
post - 15 Sep, 2009
11:Hello Arthur, sorry to say but I am surprised
to see your faith for crap that you have put
here. If thousand people tell a lie that does
not turn the lie into truth. If you beleive
so then you are having the same sick
mentality what Hitler had. Take a look
around, India is growing and everyone's
salary is going upwards and same is true for
comodity prices as well. IT people are being
paid highest but not all people. Take the
salary of Wipro fresher and you will see it
is lesser than salary what freshers get in
L&T or in any other technical gov job. So
you have put completely wrong facts here.
And here discussion is all about wrong unethical practices of HR and managers. How can you justify taking signature on blank paper, talking vulgar words. Such HR & Managers are shame for the country. Even if they go abroad they bring shame to us. And we should make sure that such people DO SEE PERSONAL LOSSES FOR THEIR BEHAVIOR. But thats not happening, and exploitation continues. UNION formation is a neccessity to avoid exploitation, unethical termination and office behavior. To name a few, Wipro puts unreasonable bonds for any good training it imparts on its employees. A person going abroad, gets bond period. It does not give industrial trainings to keep its people upto date. All it does ask people to work, even after normal working hours. There is always so less people on bench, as if they stay there for long they will get pink slip. Its salary is worst in the industry. People are just a use and throw comodities. And no one can justify these. Yes people are free to quit but even that is also very painful at wipro. And Wipro is a company which does not even deserve to operate in India, but it does. Thanks to huge population and people like you
And here discussion is all about wrong unethical practices of HR and managers. How can you justify taking signature on blank paper, talking vulgar words. Such HR & Managers are shame for the country. Even if they go abroad they bring shame to us. And we should make sure that such people DO SEE PERSONAL LOSSES FOR THEIR BEHAVIOR. But thats not happening, and exploitation continues. UNION formation is a neccessity to avoid exploitation, unethical termination and office behavior. To name a few, Wipro puts unreasonable bonds for any good training it imparts on its employees. A person going abroad, gets bond period. It does not give industrial trainings to keep its people upto date. All it does ask people to work, even after normal working hours. There is always so less people on bench, as if they stay there for long they will get pink slip. Its salary is worst in the industry. People are just a use and throw comodities. And no one can justify these. Yes people are free to quit but even that is also very painful at wipro. And Wipro is a company which does not even deserve to operate in India, but it does. Thanks to huge population and people like you
sachin replied to: Arthur James
post - 28 Sep, 2009
post - 28 Sep, 2009
12: Dear Friends,
In below discussion we can find definition of NASSCOM in author's own words. Here I am giving definition of NASSCOM what I found from WikiPages.
NASSCOM is an association of software and services companies to facilitate business and trade in software and services and to encourage advancement of research in software technology. It is a not-for-profit organization, registered under the Indian Societies Act, 1860.
And if we read about NASSCOM, it would be clear to us that this ASSOCIATION is made only to help its premium members to make more profit by creating suitable government policies and an conductive environment. It mediates if its' two big members' interest conflict with each other.
What we should see here, that
0. NASSCOM is a legal body registered or known to Government.
1. even biggies need their own UNION to get best out of powerful governments. That is why today these companies are ruling countries, not the government. These companies are allowing politicians to go corrupt only in those areas where these companies' interest is not being impacted. And of course these company don't mind common man's misery in day to day struggle.
2. These companies are paying high salary only based on common understanding. This will never go beyond a limit which is uncomfortable for other companies. NASSCOM is there to short all this out.
3. In future if required they will be sharing employee's database as well, among themselves. And a common list to identify person who is in habit of switching companies.
4. They pressurize government for SEZ and levying of export duties, policies on intellectual rights etc to safe guard their interest. See how in WIPRO people are already working 45 hrs a week and how premzi declaring that SW people are earning very high salary, at the same time getting lands at cheaper rates for offices and paying no export or import duty to government on SW deliveries.
5. And best example how HR and managers are able to threat employees that they will be blacklisted for employment itself, though still NASSCOM has to sort that out with all its members. Till then no blacklisting. But question is how far is that day when this blacklisting will be accepted by all member companies?
And then comes the question, if government is not able to control these companies, how ready we will be to fight our case?
That is why I am repeating the importance of UNION. We have to be together to achieve the benefits of democracy and of being one, powerful enough to put pressure on government to legalize our collective actions.
I must agree, IT people are being paid handsomely and they should save today for tomorrow. However, there is no doubt that young kids(so called rookies) will be paid less for more work meaning they will be exploited.
And many will be thrown out at the time when they will be needing job security most. And if this happens for just keeping the profit margin high, then GOD only can help us and our beloved country.
Probable Cyber crime, may be even hardcore crime, naxalism cannot be denied. And during that time also companies will be making money in fact more money than now.
Only workers, employees and common man will suffer.
We always need a guard to maintain the balance. And presently this is what lacking in IT industry. I am not giving another sector example as I am willing to concentrate on IT, which I know most.
In this forum you are free to say bad/dirty words about companies management or HRs, but remember they are not the one who are being disturbed by these discussion.
I am sure there will be no impact to them. In fact good managers or HRs will be hurt for being part of profession where some of their colleagues are bad. And we need good managers and HR. But what to do with those managers or HRs who are always carrying an air of pride and hollow ego. For such guys we need an UNION to safeguard our interest.
I went through UNION URLs posted here. Some looks credible but not credible enough. None of them have filed a petition to legalize employee union in SW industry. Ram is slowly loosing to corrupt system and no UNION can even talk on same.
I am not expecting UNION to go for full fledged war against Wipro or HCL. But some initiative like filing a petition for our basic rights.
May be with some trimmed rights but right to associate with an UNION local to each SW company.
We need to start and later we go further like these UNIONS can have a representatives in one big countrywide UNION, extending further to a global UNION.
I will go with one such UNION who knows how to start, without having any second thought.
In below discussion we can find definition of NASSCOM in author's own words. Here I am giving definition of NASSCOM what I found from WikiPages.
NASSCOM is an association of software and services companies to facilitate business and trade in software and services and to encourage advancement of research in software technology. It is a not-for-profit organization, registered under the Indian Societies Act, 1860.
And if we read about NASSCOM, it would be clear to us that this ASSOCIATION is made only to help its premium members to make more profit by creating suitable government policies and an conductive environment. It mediates if its' two big members' interest conflict with each other.
What we should see here, that
0. NASSCOM is a legal body registered or known to Government.
1. even biggies need their own UNION to get best out of powerful governments. That is why today these companies are ruling countries, not the government. These companies are allowing politicians to go corrupt only in those areas where these companies' interest is not being impacted. And of course these company don't mind common man's misery in day to day struggle.
2. These companies are paying high salary only based on common understanding. This will never go beyond a limit which is uncomfortable for other companies. NASSCOM is there to short all this out.
3. In future if required they will be sharing employee's database as well, among themselves. And a common list to identify person who is in habit of switching companies.
4. They pressurize government for SEZ and levying of export duties, policies on intellectual rights etc to safe guard their interest. See how in WIPRO people are already working 45 hrs a week and how premzi declaring that SW people are earning very high salary, at the same time getting lands at cheaper rates for offices and paying no export or import duty to government on SW deliveries.
5. And best example how HR and managers are able to threat employees that they will be blacklisted for employment itself, though still NASSCOM has to sort that out with all its members. Till then no blacklisting. But question is how far is that day when this blacklisting will be accepted by all member companies?
And then comes the question, if government is not able to control these companies, how ready we will be to fight our case?
That is why I am repeating the importance of UNION. We have to be together to achieve the benefits of democracy and of being one, powerful enough to put pressure on government to legalize our collective actions.
I must agree, IT people are being paid handsomely and they should save today for tomorrow. However, there is no doubt that young kids(so called rookies) will be paid less for more work meaning they will be exploited.
And many will be thrown out at the time when they will be needing job security most. And if this happens for just keeping the profit margin high, then GOD only can help us and our beloved country.
Probable Cyber crime, may be even hardcore crime, naxalism cannot be denied. And during that time also companies will be making money in fact more money than now.
Only workers, employees and common man will suffer.
We always need a guard to maintain the balance. And presently this is what lacking in IT industry. I am not giving another sector example as I am willing to concentrate on IT, which I know most.
In this forum you are free to say bad/dirty words about companies management or HRs, but remember they are not the one who are being disturbed by these discussion.
I am sure there will be no impact to them. In fact good managers or HRs will be hurt for being part of profession where some of their colleagues are bad. And we need good managers and HR. But what to do with those managers or HRs who are always carrying an air of pride and hollow ego. For such guys we need an UNION to safeguard our interest.
I went through UNION URLs posted here. Some looks credible but not credible enough. None of them have filed a petition to legalize employee union in SW industry. Ram is slowly loosing to corrupt system and no UNION can even talk on same.
I am not expecting UNION to go for full fledged war against Wipro or HCL. But some initiative like filing a petition for our basic rights.
May be with some trimmed rights but right to associate with an UNION local to each SW company.
We need to start and later we go further like these UNIONS can have a representatives in one big countrywide UNION, extending further to a global UNION.
I will go with one such UNION who knows how to start, without having any second thought.
Posted by: WouldLike2BAnonymous - 08 Sep, 2009
13: How did Ranjan Acharya, Veeraghavan and
Vishal Yadav die. Who are responsible for
this unnatural deaths. Wipro senior
Management should be held responsible.
Posted by: raghavendra - 07 Sep, 2009
14: Dear Vishal,
I do not know you. However,as an ex Wipro employee,I will remember you as a wonderful and skilful employee of Wipro.
May your soul rest in eternal peace. My deepest sympathies goes to your family and friends.
Your loss to Wipro is immense as you have helped the org. Every bit counts.
Let us get together and pray for him.We should not indulge into any discussions that relates to his cause of death.In this world of magnet and miracles, let us not point anyone on the probable cause of death and blame one another for we are humans and our perception will always be different.
Thanks
Ankit
I do not know you. However,as an ex Wipro employee,I will remember you as a wonderful and skilful employee of Wipro.
May your soul rest in eternal peace. My deepest sympathies goes to your family and friends.
Your loss to Wipro is immense as you have helped the org. Every bit counts.
Let us get together and pray for him.We should not indulge into any discussions that relates to his cause of death.In this world of magnet and miracles, let us not point anyone on the probable cause of death and blame one another for we are humans and our perception will always be different.
Thanks
Ankit
Posted by: ankit - 06 Sep, 2009
15: WIPRO has lost its ethical values and
unethical issues are prevailing day by day
due to non techie managers and HR harrasment
to the employees. They forget all the favours
and revenue generated by the employee in a
moment.
Posted by: Anjali - 05 Sep, 2009
16: Hi Raj,
You should not write like this. Those details has to bring into higher officials and HR department. You can email them directly. This forum is to stop the torturing and lay off what happening on the IT employee.
You should not write like this. Those details has to bring into higher officials and HR department. You can email them directly. This forum is to stop the torturing and lay off what happening on the IT employee.
Posted by: Chris - 05 Sep, 2009
17: Hi friends
here is another example of Wipro
Someone inform that senior Manager of wipro ( Kannan Ramiah Manager of WASE Program) about the fraud happening in Wipro but after knowing all they keep quite
here the details of the person who is working in Wipro after attending interview 3 times in a duration of 4 months, which is totally wrong and as rules person attending interview they should not attend minimum of 6 months. Someone inform the HRs about it, but they didnt took any action on them
Look out the details mailed i got it
Dear HR
My name is Ramesh I attended interview on 12th October 2008 for WASE program Again there was a interview which took place near Madiwala office ( near silk board) on 8th November 2008 that time I was sent back saying that you already attended interview so you can after three months only. But I found that this person she also attend interview on same dates and currently she is working in Wipro. Why this kind of wrong thing happening. Rules should be same for all.
Please clarify if I am wrong
Details of Person
Name Karthiga Rajendran
Employee ID 11006687
Email Id karthiga.rajendran attherateof wipro.com
Work Location Sarjapur WIPRO TECHNOLOGIES
Department BIS
Interview attended for the post of
Wase Program 2008
Wase Program 2008
Interview Attended
12th October 2008
8th November 2008
Address and Location
St Joseph’s Arts and Science college,
Langford Road,
Below Richmond Flyover,
Bangalore 560029
Wipro Technologies
Madiwala office
Near silk board
Bangalore
Email id used
Karthilike attherateof gmail.com
Kabi1717 attherateof gmail.com
Mobile No used
9986275186
( Number in use)
9742745034
(Number in use)
Home No. used
04232204116
04232204116
Date of Birth
17th August 1987
17th August 1987
Rounds of interview
Not selected in Final round
There are 2 girls with same name, In which one was selected and other is sent out. she was sent out by identifying the date of birth.
Selected and Joined on
17 November 2008
Bangalore Address Given
No 59 1st floor 5th Cross
8th Main Vasanth Nagar
Bangalore 560052
No 59 1st floor 5th Cross
8th Main Vasanth Nagar
Bangalore 560052
Home Address Given
670 7 Type 1 Quarter Cordite Factory Estate
Aruvankadu 643202
Tamilnadu India
670 7 Type 1 Quarter Cordite Factory Estate
Aruvankadu 643202
Tamilnadu India
Year of passing
2008
2008
Qualification
BCA
BCA
Father Name
B Rajendran
B Rajendran
Interview Head from Wipro
Babitha Nambiar
Babitha Nambiar
Examinations during Training
Not cleared any exams during Training in EC campus
Please clarify the details from the mobile numbers given in tables
As per the WIPRO policy Candidates interviewed in the previous SIX or THREE months may not apply again
There are thousands of people waiting to get in Wipro if this the case where WIPRO hire people then I will refer this mail to all the people who was send out because they already attended interview before
Is WIPRO Talent Acquisition Team is too weak to find these kind of people who make the company fool by providing different mail id and mobile no
Does WIPRO require these kinds of people in their organization
There is no background verification happened before they join in WIPRO
here is another example of Wipro
Someone inform that senior Manager of wipro ( Kannan Ramiah Manager of WASE Program) about the fraud happening in Wipro but after knowing all they keep quite
here the details of the person who is working in Wipro after attending interview 3 times in a duration of 4 months, which is totally wrong and as rules person attending interview they should not attend minimum of 6 months. Someone inform the HRs about it, but they didnt took any action on them
Look out the details mailed i got it
Dear HR
My name is Ramesh I attended interview on 12th October 2008 for WASE program Again there was a interview which took place near Madiwala office ( near silk board) on 8th November 2008 that time I was sent back saying that you already attended interview so you can after three months only. But I found that this person she also attend interview on same dates and currently she is working in Wipro. Why this kind of wrong thing happening. Rules should be same for all.
Please clarify if I am wrong
Details of Person
Name Karthiga Rajendran
Employee ID 11006687
Email Id karthiga.rajendran attherateof wipro.com
Work Location Sarjapur WIPRO TECHNOLOGIES
Department BIS
Interview attended for the post of
Wase Program 2008
Wase Program 2008
Interview Attended
12th October 2008
8th November 2008
Address and Location
St Joseph’s Arts and Science college,
Langford Road,
Below Richmond Flyover,
Bangalore 560029
Wipro Technologies
Madiwala office
Near silk board
Bangalore
Email id used
Karthilike attherateof gmail.com
Kabi1717 attherateof gmail.com
Mobile No used
9986275186
( Number in use)
9742745034
(Number in use)
Home No. used
04232204116
04232204116
Date of Birth
17th August 1987
17th August 1987
Rounds of interview
Not selected in Final round
There are 2 girls with same name, In which one was selected and other is sent out. she was sent out by identifying the date of birth.
Selected and Joined on
17 November 2008
Bangalore Address Given
No 59 1st floor 5th Cross
8th Main Vasanth Nagar
Bangalore 560052
No 59 1st floor 5th Cross
8th Main Vasanth Nagar
Bangalore 560052
Home Address Given
670 7 Type 1 Quarter Cordite Factory Estate
Aruvankadu 643202
Tamilnadu India
670 7 Type 1 Quarter Cordite Factory Estate
Aruvankadu 643202
Tamilnadu India
Year of passing
2008
2008
Qualification
BCA
BCA
Father Name
B Rajendran
B Rajendran
Interview Head from Wipro
Babitha Nambiar
Babitha Nambiar
Examinations during Training
Not cleared any exams during Training in EC campus
Please clarify the details from the mobile numbers given in tables
As per the WIPRO policy Candidates interviewed in the previous SIX or THREE months may not apply again
There are thousands of people waiting to get in Wipro if this the case where WIPRO hire people then I will refer this mail to all the people who was send out because they already attended interview before
Is WIPRO Talent Acquisition Team is too weak to find these kind of people who make the company fool by providing different mail id and mobile no
Does WIPRO require these kinds of people in their organization
There is no background verification happened before they join in WIPRO
Posted by: raj - 05 Sep, 2009
18:wipro is a crap company man...avoid it
simply.
charan replied to: raj
post - 17 Sep, 2009
post - 17 Sep, 2009
19:Mr Raj
why have you published these info (if its correct) in a public domain? you should have contacted Wipro and should have given all details rather than showing an individual in a poor light. its abuse on individual... pls desist from doing such things in a public foram.
why have you published these info (if its correct) in a public domain? you should have contacted Wipro and should have given all details rather than showing an individual in a poor light. its abuse on individual... pls desist from doing such things in a public foram.
Rajesh replied to: raj
post - 05 Sep, 2009
post - 05 Sep, 2009
20: friends,
the probelm is not with company, its with the managers... its not just Wipro, all companies have such managers... we must realize that a person who is performing good will always be rewarded by the company - of course only if his manager is also of that kind. lets evaluate ourselves how we are and are we fit for any lay off. if we aren't then good.. otherwise bad luck
the probelm is not with company, its with the managers... its not just Wipro, all companies have such managers... we must realize that a person who is performing good will always be rewarded by the company - of course only if his manager is also of that kind. lets evaluate ourselves how we are and are we fit for any lay off. if we aren't then good.. otherwise bad luck
Posted by: Myname - 03 Sep, 2009
21: Wipro is the worst company..
-no hikes
-assessment every year
-if u r non billable even for 1 month, you are out.
-no growth, even not in personal development and technology
-9.5 hours daily
see more here :http://techbluz.com/reviews/wipro/41/
-no hikes
-assessment every year
-if u r non billable even for 1 month, you are out.
-no growth, even not in personal development and technology
-9.5 hours daily
see more here :http://techbluz.com/reviews/wipro/41/
Posted by: Techbluz - 02 Sep, 2009
22:ya...I too agree with u
I have the bitter experience of working with this shit company,they ruined my career.
I have the bitter experience of working with this shit company,they ruined my career.
charan replied to: Techbluz
post - 17 Sep, 2009
post - 17 Sep, 2009
23: We came to know that Wipro HR had corrupted
the Electronic city police to go sluggishly
in ram's case. When the same HR spoiled
thousands of careers illegally, they are
going allout to protect their own careers.
Did these HR give convincing explanation to
vishal yadav's murder.
Posted by: Munna - 01 Sep, 2009
24: Hi All,
I think there are various reasons involved and a variety of situations where this can/could happen.Unless we know exactly what happened in Ram's case,we cannot point anybody.
Why should we blame the companies at large...There might be these handful of donkeys(engineers and managers) who are involved in this stupid favouritism /nepotism / ye apna he / vo apna nahi, things....I think the onus lies upon those smart,watchful wise senior managers who can identify this shit and throw it out of the premises....
We don't know what Ram did or for that matter what the concerned managers did(to him).
My learning from this is,go to any extent to ensure that one does not suffer and vice-versa help those who are in a position to control this from happening..
I think there are various reasons involved and a variety of situations where this can/could happen.Unless we know exactly what happened in Ram's case,we cannot point anybody.
Why should we blame the companies at large...There might be these handful of donkeys(engineers and managers) who are involved in this stupid favouritism /nepotism / ye apna he / vo apna nahi, things....I think the onus lies upon those smart,watchful wise senior managers who can identify this shit and throw it out of the premises....
We don't know what Ram did or for that matter what the concerned managers did(to him).
My learning from this is,go to any extent to ensure that one does not suffer and vice-versa help those who are in a position to control this from happening..
Posted by: Blogger - 31 Aug, 2009
25: Hello Friends,
This kind of sean is not only in HCL or WIPRO. It is also applicable to Perot System. One fine Friday morning, got calls from HR and asked we have an very urgent meeting, please report by in another half an hour. When people reached HR, simply they said that, you are laid off please leave the premises and we will settle every thing and will send to your address and they took a forceful RESIGN letter. People who argued more they were given with TERMINATION letters with bad conduct. I have seen so many people who are under performed but they were having good faith with some senior managers, so they are out side of lay off list.
I will agree this is all with bull shit manager's( who are not even fit for trainee - dirty minded fellows) management.
This kind of sean is not only in HCL or WIPRO. It is also applicable to Perot System. One fine Friday morning, got calls from HR and asked we have an very urgent meeting, please report by in another half an hour. When people reached HR, simply they said that, you are laid off please leave the premises and we will settle every thing and will send to your address and they took a forceful RESIGN letter. People who argued more they were given with TERMINATION letters with bad conduct. I have seen so many people who are under performed but they were having good faith with some senior managers, so they are out side of lay off list.
I will agree this is all with bull shit manager's( who are not even fit for trainee - dirty minded fellows) management.
Posted by: Satyam - 31 Aug, 2009
26: I do feel sorry for the victims of these kind
of acts of injustice by the so called big
companies. However, why is it that anything
and everything only about "IT or SOFTWARE"
gets highlighted or gets attention and not
the other sectors?
The situation is much worse for people working for Non-IT Sector. People in IT atleast take home decent salaries when employed while the ones working for Non-IT Indian Companies will have to suffice with their meagre salaries with no extra/ additional benefits whatsoever. There are very very few of them who provide benefits to their employees although I have not come across even one in my 8 yrs of working with different Indian Companies.
If plight of people working for the IT based MNC's is miserable,then the situation of the non-IT techies working for Indian Companies is pathetic.
I am a Non-IT Professional and I am going through the same kind of situation and I guess I have no choice but to put up with it or quit.
I seriously believe that woking for Indians & Indian Companies will never get better.
The situation is much worse for people working for Non-IT Sector. People in IT atleast take home decent salaries when employed while the ones working for Non-IT Indian Companies will have to suffice with their meagre salaries with no extra/ additional benefits whatsoever. There are very very few of them who provide benefits to their employees although I have not come across even one in my 8 yrs of working with different Indian Companies.
If plight of people working for the IT based MNC's is miserable,then the situation of the non-IT techies working for Indian Companies is pathetic.
I am a Non-IT Professional and I am going through the same kind of situation and I guess I have no choice but to put up with it or quit.
I seriously believe that woking for Indians & Indian Companies will never get better.
Posted by: Sujan Asha - 31 Aug, 2009
27: it is a marwadi run business..just
profit..they buy n sell anything to make
profit...of-course Graduate engineers are
good commodity in IT outsourcing
business...they buy them..make profit and
sell them at the right time..like shares or
just any other commodity.. get used to it..or
get out of there.
Posted by: Colleague - 31 Aug, 2009
28: This is not an isolated case, i personally
know people who have resigned becuse of the
ill tratment by the senior managers, no exit
interviews no were to speak to.
Posted by: pappu - 30 Aug, 2009
29: This is Crap shit treatment by a few useless
senior officials on the name of a big
company. Act of such people should not and
cannot be related to companies as such people
exist everywhere. It's fishy as he was being
threatened to quit within 4-5 months of his
joining, which is very short duration to
chuck out someone due to low performance.
Posted by: Rohan - 30 Aug, 2009
30: Guys let me tell you that every company today
is far more sensitive to performance than
they were 2 yrs back. Obviously non
performance has no place in today's context.
People will be graded based on relative
performance and whoever falls below the
cutoff line will perish. Its simple boss -
even team australia follows this principle
ruthlessly and thats why they are consistent
performers year after year.
Now let me comment about Wipro. I have been working in Wipro for quite a few yrs and its my 5th company in my tenure of 16 yrs. Wipro definitely has extremely robust processes and has a lot of focus for its employees. That doesnt mean it has to tolerate non performance. Unfortunately whoever is an under performer would still tend to believe and proclaim that he is a genius.
My advise to all frustrated souls is to follow Rahul Dravid's example - if you are really good prove it once again and make a comeback. According to most people in this thread Dravid should have filed a lawsuit against BCCI for dropping him on performance ground (inspite of serving the team for more than 10 yrs) - right? Instead he did what a real genius does - prove himself again. Do you have it in you?
Now let me comment about Wipro. I have been working in Wipro for quite a few yrs and its my 5th company in my tenure of 16 yrs. Wipro definitely has extremely robust processes and has a lot of focus for its employees. That doesnt mean it has to tolerate non performance. Unfortunately whoever is an under performer would still tend to believe and proclaim that he is a genius.
My advise to all frustrated souls is to follow Rahul Dravid's example - if you are really good prove it once again and make a comeback. According to most people in this thread Dravid should have filed a lawsuit against BCCI for dropping him on performance ground (inspite of serving the team for more than 10 yrs) - right? Instead he did what a real genius does - prove himself again. Do you have it in you?
Posted by: fair judgement - 30 Aug, 2009
31:Judge not for you shall be judged too. It is
unfair to compare Ram to Rahul Dravid. Wipro
is not rehiring him in the next millennium.
Also a fired employee will not find another
job because judgmental people like you who
are prejudiced will believe BCCI is right and
continue to play ball.
Santhosh Min replied to: fair judgement
post - 24 Sep, 2009
post - 24 Sep, 2009
32:it seems u r one of the useless,good for
nothing managers of this company. Just
remember how many times the HR persons have
asked u to forcibly give NI to particular
people. remember one thing, if this company
can ask u to tell others to leave the
company....one day some other senior guy will
ask u to leave.so do not be a fool and just
think over whatever u have written here.
poor judgement replied to: fair judgement
post - 17 Sep, 2009
post - 17 Sep, 2009
33:u proved what a kind of dog u really r. bcz u
r trully faithfull.
daddy replied to: fair judgement
post - 13 Sep, 2009
post - 13 Sep, 2009
34:so Mr Manager of wipro..
u think ur experience in Wipro is good...
Lets get talking.. y don't u tell prople how u treat ur juniors in ur team....
u think ur experience in Wipro is good...
Lets get talking.. y don't u tell prople how u treat ur juniors in ur team....
kg s replied to: fair judgement
post - 01 Sep, 2009
post - 01 Sep, 2009
35:how much did the company bribe you?
Sole replied to: fair judgement
post - 31 Aug, 2009
post - 31 Aug, 2009
36:What you are saying is correct . I am not
sure about the case that we are discussing
here however few points need to be
considered
1) The way he was sacked .He was threatened .
2) As you rightly said performance is a key factor but let me know who measures the performance.In some of the cases it is judged by managers who are technically poor and came from Non IT industry not written single line of code in their career.How they are going to judge the performance .That start applying those dirty management priciples ( not found in any management book) .Also lot of politics is involved (I hate the word politics which came into IT industry not because of technical staff but because of those bull sheet management staff)
3) That person might be victim of such politics
1) The way he was sacked .He was threatened .
2) As you rightly said performance is a key factor but let me know who measures the performance.In some of the cases it is judged by managers who are technically poor and came from Non IT industry not written single line of code in their career.How they are going to judge the performance .That start applying those dirty management priciples ( not found in any management book) .Also lot of politics is involved (I hate the word politics which came into IT industry not because of technical staff but because of those bull sheet management staff)
3) That person might be victim of such politics
Reply to Fair jodgement replied to: fair judgement
post - 30 Aug, 2009
post - 30 Aug, 2009
37: Hi Guys, Only incapable managers only will do
this kind of politics with technically
skilled peoples. In this case wipro managers
are not exceptional case.
Hi Wipro replied to: Reply to Fair jodgement
post - 30 Aug, 2009
post - 30 Aug, 2009
38: I have worked for Wipro. They do not do such
things. This is Ram's side of the story only.
If he has got such a treatment he must have
done something.
Posted by: amit - 30 Aug, 2009
39:Hello everybody I know what kind of treatment
we wiproits got when we were asked to resign
from company, I have worked with wipro, and i
myself faced this from wipro HR team. 2
months of harrasment every 3 or 4 days they
will send mail saind some discussion and in a
closed room they will threaten you. the kind
of harrasment what they did is definetly lead
to this kind of situation, we worked with the
company day and night for its growth, we
thought that its our family, but what ever
the treatment they gave is harrasement at the
end. most of the engeneer people who got
sacked are top performers, they got awards
for their best performence, but HR team never
considered this just they terminated or sent
out employees even without proper experience
letters, just think you are serving company
with sinciarity and after 4 years of your
service they say that to resign and if they
will give you some bad remark on releavin, or
what ever, your 4 years of service is gone.
your dreams your hope everything is gone. we
are not cheating, we are getting paid for our
work, not for sitting there. then why did
they do like that.
shwetha replied to: amit
post - 01 Sep, 2009
post - 01 Sep, 2009
40: Buds,
This is total nonsense.
Wipro is a company of 1 lakh employees. You can judge that the company is bad based on the opinion of a moron.
As the number of people increase, definitely there will be conflicts of interest. Certain times that goes to a level where it becomes unmanageable. Ram's is one of those cases I believe.
The comments regarding lay-off and all, I am working currently in US. And luckily I still have job. A lay-off happened in my company two months back. And the experience was horrible. One fine day morning, some of the employees were not able to get access to office. Talking to security, they came to know they were laid-off. And people who were laid off were allowed inside office to get their things only along with a security, that too for 1 empl., 1 security like that. It was kind of you were in jail. I has too horrible to see my friends and colleagues leaving the company crying.
And few of them on visas were asked to leave the country within 2-3 weeks.
Tell me guys, this is better or your half-salary is better (question)
Nothing in this world is perfect. And also, all these companies are working based on American capitalistic culture. You tasted the sweetness of IT culture one time. Now is the downturn. You need to face now the other side of the same coin, it is the layoffs.
This is total nonsense.
Wipro is a company of 1 lakh employees. You can judge that the company is bad based on the opinion of a moron.
As the number of people increase, definitely there will be conflicts of interest. Certain times that goes to a level where it becomes unmanageable. Ram's is one of those cases I believe.
The comments regarding lay-off and all, I am working currently in US. And luckily I still have job. A lay-off happened in my company two months back. And the experience was horrible. One fine day morning, some of the employees were not able to get access to office. Talking to security, they came to know they were laid-off. And people who were laid off were allowed inside office to get their things only along with a security, that too for 1 empl., 1 security like that. It was kind of you were in jail. I has too horrible to see my friends and colleagues leaving the company crying.
And few of them on visas were asked to leave the country within 2-3 weeks.
Tell me guys, this is better or your half-salary is better (question)
Nothing in this world is perfect. And also, all these companies are working based on American capitalistic culture. You tasted the sweetness of IT culture one time. Now is the downturn. You need to face now the other side of the same coin, it is the layoffs.
Posted by: Manoj - 29 Aug, 2009
41:Regarding your question- "Tell me guys, this
is better or your half-salary is better
(question)"
I would like to tell you that it is better to resign and remain unemployed than to work in a company like Wipro.
I would like to tell you that it is better to resign and remain unemployed than to work in a company like Wipro.
wiprosucks replied to: Manoj
post - 31 Aug, 2009
post - 31 Aug, 2009
42: Atleast someone on this blog has got balls to
speak the truth!
N all the morons like manoj should work in WIPRO!
N all the morons like manoj should work in WIPRO!
Wiproreallysucks replied to: wiprosucks
post - 13 Sep, 2009
post - 13 Sep, 2009
43:Mr Manoj,
Thanks for bringing out the another deamon face of Wipro. If the company has to lay off,then it should follow some ethics. Wipro is a company which doesn't have any ethics. I have worked in Wipro for quite a period and i know about many unethical issues prevailing in Wipro.
You yourself have said that there are certain things which have gone out of control in Wipro, just because of its strong employees' strength. Who is to be blamed for this. If Wipro doesn't has capability to manage such a large number of people, then why does it hire so many people? Just in the madness to earn money and to remain ahead in the competition. I know how does it exploit the freshers. They are being trained in one technology, and then suddenly asked to work in another technology or they are being trained in a technology at one location then at a very short period they are asked to move to other location because there is no project available at the same location. This is the Height of Mismanagement!This is just a single case point. There are many other cases in Wipro which can be talked about.
Policies like ombudsman, Spirit of Wipro, "There are no shades of grey, its either black or white" are just bullshit and nothing else.
How many of wiproites know that both employee's and employer's contribution towards PPF are deducted from the employee's salary. QPLC which is a part of employee's CTC, which given once in 3 months and that also not 100%. Part of it is deducted stating that the domain hasn't performed well. While in Wipro i haven't seen any of the domain performing bad. Its just a way increase the company's profits while blowing of the employees' pockets at the same time. The transportation charges.Oh My GOD! there invariably increases..Never decreases..no matter the fuel rates go down or up.
And this all have been happening since the time when IT was at its peak of boom. If you atlk about the sweetness of IT culture, specially Wipro..then lemme tell you..It looks sweet from a distance, when tasted, its sour like neem or aamla....If you talk of American culture, i am sorry to say that just calling each other by names doesn't bring American culture in the company.
Thanks for bringing out the another deamon face of Wipro. If the company has to lay off,then it should follow some ethics. Wipro is a company which doesn't have any ethics. I have worked in Wipro for quite a period and i know about many unethical issues prevailing in Wipro.
You yourself have said that there are certain things which have gone out of control in Wipro, just because of its strong employees' strength. Who is to be blamed for this. If Wipro doesn't has capability to manage such a large number of people, then why does it hire so many people? Just in the madness to earn money and to remain ahead in the competition. I know how does it exploit the freshers. They are being trained in one technology, and then suddenly asked to work in another technology or they are being trained in a technology at one location then at a very short period they are asked to move to other location because there is no project available at the same location. This is the Height of Mismanagement!This is just a single case point. There are many other cases in Wipro which can be talked about.
Policies like ombudsman, Spirit of Wipro, "There are no shades of grey, its either black or white" are just bullshit and nothing else.
How many of wiproites know that both employee's and employer's contribution towards PPF are deducted from the employee's salary. QPLC which is a part of employee's CTC, which given once in 3 months and that also not 100%. Part of it is deducted stating that the domain hasn't performed well. While in Wipro i haven't seen any of the domain performing bad. Its just a way increase the company's profits while blowing of the employees' pockets at the same time. The transportation charges.Oh My GOD! there invariably increases..Never decreases..no matter the fuel rates go down or up.
And this all have been happening since the time when IT was at its peak of boom. If you atlk about the sweetness of IT culture, specially Wipro..then lemme tell you..It looks sweet from a distance, when tasted, its sour like neem or aamla....If you talk of American culture, i am sorry to say that just calling each other by names doesn't bring American culture in the company.
wiprosucks replied to: Manoj
post - 31 Aug, 2009
post - 31 Aug, 2009
44: IT companies especialy WIPRO doing this sort
of sacking of employees without any reason.
They do not bother about the future of the
sacked employees. With so much resource and
assets, they do not care to see the welfare
of the employees. They recruit through campus
and put them on waiting for 6 months to 1
year after completion of their degree course,
mostly B.E., How much pain and money these
young engineers would have put in for
completing the course. With the lucrative
invitation, these companies take the young
engineers and sack them within a year without
any reason or hearing an appeal from the
employees. Now the sacked employee will be
on a desperate mood as they are without any
job or experience for 2 years after
completion of their course. Does these
companies HR Department heads not have any
humanitarian consideration before taking a
harsh action like sacking? Why can not the
employees be warned before sacking so that
the erring employees, if at all in the eyes
of the HR Heads so what warrenting for an
action ? Assets can be created and amazed by
employing poor youngsters. As there is no
organised labour sector in the IT companies,
the employees are treated like bonded
labourers. What is the use of the companies
when it does not have humane for their own
employees ? Will Premji live for 1000 years
to enjoy the wealth and assets he is creating
out of bonded labourers ? Let this be
brought to personal notice of Premji. So
that he will have humane touch on his HR
Heads.
Posted by: Nellai Mari - 29 Aug, 2009
45:UNITES is a only registered non-political
IT/BPO trade union in India and all IT/BPO
employees should join, work together and
protect our countrymen from all the bad
effects of Globalisation.
Remember "UNITY IS STRENGTH" and UNITES Professionals stands for that.
Remember "UNITY IS STRENGTH" and UNITES Professionals stands for that.
Angela replied to: Nellai Mari
post - 29 Aug, 2009
post - 29 Aug, 2009
46: Visit http://www.unitespro.org to know more
and make a difference to all our brothers and
sisters in IT and BPO industry.
Angela replied to: Angela
post - 29 Aug, 2009
post - 29 Aug, 2009
47: Hi,
i am also a vitim of angel broking ltd .noida branch where my branch manager forced me to resign but i have not resign then he has terminated me from the company.He has putten false allegation on me.i approached to higher up's of the company but no response.Hr is also not responding properly.this is a very serious condition where employe has no value and on decesions of managers they fire the employe.Goverment should take actions where people are not safe that's why people are afraid to to do jobs because they feel not safe.
i am also a vitim of angel broking ltd .noida branch where my branch manager forced me to resign but i have not resign then he has terminated me from the company.He has putten false allegation on me.i approached to higher up's of the company but no response.Hr is also not responding properly.this is a very serious condition where employe has no value and on decesions of managers they fire the employe.Goverment should take actions where people are not safe that's why people are afraid to to do jobs because they feel not safe.
Posted by: Gaurav - 29 Aug, 2009
48:If this is your standard of English,you do
deserve to be sacked.What is 'PUTTEN' ? Your
grammar & spelling are so horrible . Who
recruited you ?
axeman replied to: Gaurav
post - 30 Aug, 2009
post - 30 Aug, 2009
49: dont worry dude, people like u (pretending
they knw eng) are also being fired so , dont
count it here ..ok ?, and there is a spell
mistake in ur name , swap r and v , thats
what ur mind is full of... lolzz
udontmesswidme replied to: axeman
post - 30 Aug, 2009
post - 30 Aug, 2009
50: Concept here is to discuss rather getting
into personal mr perfect, are you the son
born to british? because those people only
spekas English and in India i don't think
anybody mother tounge is English
Shivdhan K M replied to: axeman
post - 27 Nov, 2009
post - 27 Nov, 2009
51: This kind of things not only happening in Hcl
or Wipro. In this case people have committed
in public place so it is noticed. But what
about people who are tortured & faced the
above not in public.Bharti Airtel Services
Ltd is being one of the worst companies in
these kind of cases,But nothing gets notified
outside people who r in lower level suffer
a lot. It all happens in internal politics. Take from Top to bottom level designated want their own people to survive this is a period only for chamchas & buckets in the industry who survive. HR plays great role giving ideas how to screw one guys career & life in organisation. They make good performer not to perform utilize him, make all his hardwork achievements efforts to be enjoyed by the wrong person who does not deserve it. If anyone tries to fight for it he vl b sacked from office to his residence also. This is present scenario happening in our country.
a lot. It all happens in internal politics. Take from Top to bottom level designated want their own people to survive this is a period only for chamchas & buckets in the industry who survive. HR plays great role giving ideas how to screw one guys career & life in organisation. They make good performer not to perform utilize him, make all his hardwork achievements efforts to be enjoyed by the wrong person who does not deserve it. If anyone tries to fight for it he vl b sacked from office to his residence also. This is present scenario happening in our country.
Posted by: sundaram - 29 Aug, 2009
52:If this is your standard of English,you do
deserve to be sacked.
axeman replied to: sundaram
post - 30 Aug, 2009
post - 30 Aug, 2009
53: Hey axeman, are you a grammar teacher? Let
everyone share their experiences with their
companies, don't pinpoint anyone mate.
pointer-to-pointer replied to: axeman
post - 13 Oct, 2009
post - 13 Oct, 2009
54: Hi,
There are several IT Companies which follow what Wipro has been doing all these days! Scope International is also one among them. They have also sent lots of people outside forcing them to resign even if they had performed very well before!
There are several IT Companies which follow what Wipro has been doing all these days! Scope International is also one among them. They have also sent lots of people outside forcing them to resign even if they had performed very well before!
Posted by: Victim - 29 Aug, 2009
55: To make scenarios worse, in almost all
companies, people are discriminated and
harassed based on community (especially
Brahmins Vs Non brahimns). and the 'B'
community doesn't let others grow. At the
cost of others, the 'B's grow. "IT Companies"
may sound very sophasticated..but its very
ungly inside.....
Posted by: Gandhi - 28 Aug, 2009
56: Co. will sack ppl when not reqd. BUT co. has
a responsibility towards their employees.
They must be compensated for the loss. They
must be given at least 3 months benefits and
some sort of support to find a new job or
start some business.
Regarding Wipro Technologies, I know they are playing very unprofessional tactics to remove ppl and avoid paying compensation to forced resigned ppl. Employees are under stress. I think co. will pay for this in the long run.
Regarding Wipro Technologies, I know they are playing very unprofessional tactics to remove ppl and avoid paying compensation to forced resigned ppl. Employees are under stress. I think co. will pay for this in the long run.
Posted by: NavinK - 28 Aug, 2009
57: hi
i quit from IT b4 two years, now i am in my dads biss., pls peoples in IT should UNITE and to start a IT EMPLOYEE UNION other wise U cant fight with this companies (like Prev. SOUTH INDIAN COMPANY).
i quit from IT b4 two years, now i am in my dads biss., pls peoples in IT should UNITE and to start a IT EMPLOYEE UNION other wise U cant fight with this companies (like Prev. SOUTH INDIAN COMPANY).
Posted by: srinivasan - 28 Aug, 2009
58:Visit http://www.unitespro.org and join the
movement.
Raj replied to: srinivasan
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
59: What is the police doing when people are
dying due to harassment in wipro. Today it is
vishal tomorrow it is some one else and wipro
is erasing all types of evidences. The police
should impartially investigate so that others
in wipro and other companies would get
inspiration to report harassment and other
crimes by wipro managers.
Posted by: manju - 28 Aug, 2009
60:I agree manju..in my case the police is not
even believing what we are saying. They dont
accept written complaints that we lodge. They
dont listen to us seriously and they treat us
like a joke when we go to complain.
prathap replied to: manju
post - 29 Aug, 2009
post - 29 Aug, 2009
61: Who is the person giving instructions to fire
people by these extreme methods. Can any one
judge.
Posted by: padma - 28 Aug, 2009
62:Should be "Pratik Kumar" or "Rishad Premji"
with approval from Azim Premji himself.
harsha replied to: padma
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
63: Guys I was in the USA on H1B after my M.S
studies and worked for 2 years before I lost
my job in USA.
I came back to India in March 2009 thinking I will get a job here. Till now I have not got a job. But I have a few interviews lined up and hope to get a job soon.
Suicide is the worst thing you can do....I am talking from experience since I too have lost the job and understand your feelings.
Just wait for the good time since Good time will come for everyone.
I came back to India in March 2009 thinking I will get a job here. Till now I have not got a job. But I have a few interviews lined up and hope to get a job soon.
Suicide is the worst thing you can do....I am talking from experience since I too have lost the job and understand your feelings.
Just wait for the good time since Good time will come for everyone.
Posted by: saurav - 28 Aug, 2009
64:Hi Saurav ,
Saw your blog in http://www.siliconindia.com/shownews/Sacked_W ipro_employee_alleges_harassment-nid-60537.ht ml
Would like to know more about the situation Particular in US and Canada , I am planing to continue my higher studies higher studies in Canada , is there also the situation same like US , I am planning for 2010 intake Fall session for MS in Computer Science.
I am reachable @ 09739007277 Please give me your contact number so that I can discuss and if possible change my plans accordingly
Saw your blog in http://www.siliconindia.com/shownews/Sacked_W ipro_employee_alleges_harassment-nid-60537.ht ml
Would like to know more about the situation Particular in US and Canada , I am planing to continue my higher studies higher studies in Canada , is there also the situation same like US , I am planning for 2010 intake Fall session for MS in Computer Science.
I am reachable @ 09739007277 Please give me your contact number so that I can discuss and if possible change my plans accordingly
Shiv replied to: saurav
post - 29 Aug, 2009
post - 29 Aug, 2009
65: Dear Friends,
As all of you know comitting suicide is always a bad option.
So what if you have 3-4 million loan on you and bank will take your home from you in which you have put all your savings so far. So what if you have a family to look after, your ailing parents, your kids' education etc and you are out of your job.
Even worst than what I have mentioned here, can give you only a temporary stress. Believe me, if you have courage, with time not only you will compensate your losses but you will go beyond that.
But what if you commit suicide. its permanent loss.
What happens when a person commits suicide:
1. Person's family and loved ones get a trauma to haunt them throughout their lives.
2. Companies or persons who made him to commit suicide will hardly be impacted or punished. Life will be usual for them after a while.
3. You are earning source of your family which is lost forever. Now who will take care of them?
4. Companies or persons who made person to commit suicide gets another person.
5. All your policies like Insurance will NOT PAY anything to your loved once as all agreement gets void for commiting suicide.
6. Any great cause like UNION formation is negatively impacted due to this. See here people have forgotten about Ram's case and talking about a dead person who can not fight forget about winning. Focus is lost and effort of Ram is also wasted.
IN SHORT YOU AND YOUR ASSOCIATES LOOSE AND VILLAINS GET BENEFITED. PLEASE DONT TAKE SUCH STEPS, NO MATTER WHATEVER HAPPENS.
And for your information, NASSCOM can not balcklist a person who has not broken any contract or who has not done anything illegal. You can always say NO if someone asks you to sign a blank paper or ask you to resign for no reason without any fear.
Check how many persons has been blacklisted by NASSCOM.
And filing a case as Ram did against these anti-social elements for their deeds is always an option.
Its true any company has authority to sack a person with due notice and/or three months salary, and so employee has right to leave with proper notice and/or salary cut. But what is wrong happening in IT industries are
1. people are being asked to stretch all the time meaning two persons doing the job of three persons and third person is being thrown out.
2. people are being thrown out or put on salary cut if they are not billable for few days, just because its recession and whenever required persons with skills are available outside. In other words contract of employment is being broken by company.
And no logic of making profit etc goes here, as companies can not have rights to exploit people. And market pressure to show percentage profit can not result into increased load on workers at lesser wage and job cuts.
3. Companies can not throw people out without proper compensation and for reasons of keeping its profit margin intact. In other words companies has to share risk of bad times as well.
4. What so ever, harassment and unethical behavior at work place is not acceptable.
As IT industries are maturing, it is bound to happen that people will not have higher salary every year due to saturation in demand. But if higher management is willing to maintain its hight salary growth year after year, it will tend to exploit people. And therefore, we need a guard, a UNION, which makes sure that exploitation is not so easy that whenever recession happens, lower management people are thrown on streets just to keep high growth. UNION and labour law is needed to ensure that a higher management salary cut and low operational cost is far easier than laying off people in thousands.
US and Europe have laws which protects employees' rights, which is missing in India, and only an organisational effort can get some thing similar in place in India as well.
As all of you know comitting suicide is always a bad option.
So what if you have 3-4 million loan on you and bank will take your home from you in which you have put all your savings so far. So what if you have a family to look after, your ailing parents, your kids' education etc and you are out of your job.
Even worst than what I have mentioned here, can give you only a temporary stress. Believe me, if you have courage, with time not only you will compensate your losses but you will go beyond that.
But what if you commit suicide. its permanent loss.
What happens when a person commits suicide:
1. Person's family and loved ones get a trauma to haunt them throughout their lives.
2. Companies or persons who made him to commit suicide will hardly be impacted or punished. Life will be usual for them after a while.
3. You are earning source of your family which is lost forever. Now who will take care of them?
4. Companies or persons who made person to commit suicide gets another person.
5. All your policies like Insurance will NOT PAY anything to your loved once as all agreement gets void for commiting suicide.
6. Any great cause like UNION formation is negatively impacted due to this. See here people have forgotten about Ram's case and talking about a dead person who can not fight forget about winning. Focus is lost and effort of Ram is also wasted.
IN SHORT YOU AND YOUR ASSOCIATES LOOSE AND VILLAINS GET BENEFITED. PLEASE DONT TAKE SUCH STEPS, NO MATTER WHATEVER HAPPENS.
And for your information, NASSCOM can not balcklist a person who has not broken any contract or who has not done anything illegal. You can always say NO if someone asks you to sign a blank paper or ask you to resign for no reason without any fear.
Check how many persons has been blacklisted by NASSCOM.
And filing a case as Ram did against these anti-social elements for their deeds is always an option.
Its true any company has authority to sack a person with due notice and/or three months salary, and so employee has right to leave with proper notice and/or salary cut. But what is wrong happening in IT industries are
1. people are being asked to stretch all the time meaning two persons doing the job of three persons and third person is being thrown out.
2. people are being thrown out or put on salary cut if they are not billable for few days, just because its recession and whenever required persons with skills are available outside. In other words contract of employment is being broken by company.
And no logic of making profit etc goes here, as companies can not have rights to exploit people. And market pressure to show percentage profit can not result into increased load on workers at lesser wage and job cuts.
3. Companies can not throw people out without proper compensation and for reasons of keeping its profit margin intact. In other words companies has to share risk of bad times as well.
4. What so ever, harassment and unethical behavior at work place is not acceptable.
As IT industries are maturing, it is bound to happen that people will not have higher salary every year due to saturation in demand. But if higher management is willing to maintain its hight salary growth year after year, it will tend to exploit people. And therefore, we need a guard, a UNION, which makes sure that exploitation is not so easy that whenever recession happens, lower management people are thrown on streets just to keep high growth. UNION and labour law is needed to ensure that a higher management salary cut and low operational cost is far easier than laying off people in thousands.
US and Europe have laws which protects employees' rights, which is missing in India, and only an organisational effort can get some thing similar in place in India as well.
Posted by: WouldLike2BAnonymous - 28 Aug, 2009
66:Visit http://www.unitespro.org and join the
movement.
Together we can!
Together we can!
Raj replied to: WouldLike2BAnonymous
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
67: All,
No body in this INDIAN Government will think about taking a action or intervene in such cases, becos these are the companies that earns FOREX revenues to the country and feed the dirty politicians for their election needs.
The forums, blogs just could be a vent out and NOT a solution provider
No body in this INDIAN Government will think about taking a action or intervene in such cases, becos these are the companies that earns FOREX revenues to the country and feed the dirty politicians for their election needs.
The forums, blogs just could be a vent out and NOT a solution provider
Posted by: 6grams - 28 Aug, 2009
68: If you are really unlucky you will work in
Wipro. I have denied Wipro's offer 2 times.
Their salary is very less.Let us all stand
together, when even we change job, let us
ignore WIPRO.Everyone knows that AZIM is a
good businessman.He does not care about
anything else.
Feel Sorry for Vishal.
Feel Sorry for Vishal.
Posted by: Raj - 28 Aug, 2009
69:Soon a new word going to be added in the
dictionary of slang language. Guess what?
Wiproite. This is the company for
politicians. If you know politics well (bad
obviously) please join Wipro and soon become
a Wiproite.
noMatterWho replied to: Raj
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
70: what crap and waste these comments are.
people a buisness will do what is good for
them not for employees. thats what business
is about making profits. if something is to
be done then we should pursue a Nasscom or
other bodies to make rules for severance.
today they are such that companies resort to
other ways. Abusing Wipro may not help all
business are like these. AND WELL WE
INDIVIDIUALS ARE NO DIFFERENT. WE ARE EQUALLY
SELFISH LIKE A WIPRO OR A INFOSYS OR A IBM OR
ANYONE.
IF you do not AGREE ANSWER HONESTLY THE BELOW:
do you give all your salary the maids who work at your house, no why dont you give her bonus when you get it, why dont you allow her to maintain similar lifestyle like you? if she does not mop the floor or do cleaning propoerly why do you change her and not continue with her? why do you fire her? why?
if you lose your job will you not fire the maid which work for you? if business is not doing well it will also reduce costs say employees.
Crap your discussion is and its not Wipro or other companies as business is about profits and not charity. WIPRO is still far more cleaner than some others. Having worked for a decade i know. If something is to be done labour laws to fire made easy and a good severance (exit) pacakage to be bargained from. NASSCOM should wake up, Government should wake up. Also we need higher PF, Gratuity other social Security like we have in US.
IF you do not AGREE ANSWER HONESTLY THE BELOW:
do you give all your salary the maids who work at your house, no why dont you give her bonus when you get it, why dont you allow her to maintain similar lifestyle like you? if she does not mop the floor or do cleaning propoerly why do you change her and not continue with her? why do you fire her? why?
if you lose your job will you not fire the maid which work for you? if business is not doing well it will also reduce costs say employees.
Crap your discussion is and its not Wipro or other companies as business is about profits and not charity. WIPRO is still far more cleaner than some others. Having worked for a decade i know. If something is to be done labour laws to fire made easy and a good severance (exit) pacakage to be bargained from. NASSCOM should wake up, Government should wake up. Also we need higher PF, Gratuity other social Security like we have in US.
Posted by: Sumit - 28 Aug, 2009
71:you reply is abosulte crap. The question is
not only about sacking but about harrassment.
If the management says that we are running
oout of business. why do they stilp provide
the perks to the snipor executives. Also as
someone mentioned earlier. Not only wipro
made profits becoz of hard work but becoz of
sacking employees. This is prudent from the
Senior executive's remark when he was asked
about sacking employees.
Reporter: You have sacked more number of employees this quater. your comment on that.
WIPRO Exeecutive:(Not mentioning his name) Sacking employees will improve our margins next quarter so we will realize those effects (profits, Profits , Profits ) in the next quarter. If theey are so concerned about Profits why cant they sack those Senior Executives who are getting hefty package ?
Reporter: You have sacked more number of employees this quater. your comment on that.
WIPRO Exeecutive:(Not mentioning his name) Sacking employees will improve our margins next quarter so we will realize those effects (profits, Profits , Profits ) in the next quarter. If theey are so concerned about Profits why cant they sack those Senior Executives who are getting hefty package ?
Naren replied to: Sumit
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
72: Because they add more value than you,Naren.
What Sumit says is right.& the faster you
realize it the better for you. Companies
exist only for profits & not for
charity.Ok ?
axeman replied to: Naren
post - 30 Aug, 2009
post - 30 Aug, 2009
73:it looks that you are also ready to jump.
vishal replied to: Sumit
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
74:dear u missed whole bloody point. Please look
to Wipro's margin of last qtr/YOY. They made
profit and stands well in compare to others
in industry. That's mean wiproites are doing
hard work in bad times. Now tell me will u
fire a maid who stands for u in ur bad time
when u still have good money.
someone replied to: Sumit
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
75: Raise your voice
http://www.petitiononline.com/
Send the URL to all the people.Lets very one raise the voice.
Send the URL to all the people.Lets very one raise the voice.
Petition replied to: someone
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
76: Someone,
My dad had a small business sometime back and well you need profits to do investment and grow. its not about just salaries. India IT grew because of salary differntial but the way salaries have increased the IT business will move to other cheaper countries if profits are not used to add value offerings.
I will agree with Sumit, a good maid who stands in your bad time, if i have to fire i will make sure that i give her support (not necessary financial) and that's all required, this is what we need to fight for. All companies are same.
My dad had a small business sometime back and well you need profits to do investment and grow. its not about just salaries. India IT grew because of salary differntial but the way salaries have increased the IT business will move to other cheaper countries if profits are not used to add value offerings.
I will agree with Sumit, a good maid who stands in your bad time, if i have to fire i will make sure that i give her support (not necessary financial) and that's all required, this is what we need to fight for. All companies are same.
Jeevan replied to: someone
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
77: Hi All,
I am Technie working in wipro for more than 5 years,I came for onsite to offshore last month.Suddenly they asking me to quit the company without any reason...
my Total experience is aroung 10 years.I frankly don't know to how react and live.
I was abused by the chennai HR in the bad way.They are threating me and they are saying if i will not quit he is saying that he can launch a complaints me..
He asking me to sign in the empty White Paper.He is saying even he can fill a that i robbed any things from company.
This is one of the worst bad Manager in chennai called Shaval Murthy..
Guys let all be unite and face the problem
I am Technie working in wipro for more than 5 years,I came for onsite to offshore last month.Suddenly they asking me to quit the company without any reason...
my Total experience is aroung 10 years.I frankly don't know to how react and live.
I was abused by the chennai HR in the bad way.They are threating me and they are saying if i will not quit he is saying that he can launch a complaints me..
He asking me to sign in the empty White Paper.He is saying even he can fill a that i robbed any things from company.
This is one of the worst bad Manager in chennai called Shaval Murthy..
Guys let all be unite and face the problem
Posted by: priya Krishnamurthy - 28 Aug, 2009
78:Hi Priya,
Please let me know if you need any legal advise. I can connect you to the best lawyers in the business. Moreover it is decision time for you. If you believe in fighting back then only take a legal recourse otherwise you will lose your way in between. Also you should make up your mind to fight all the way. Some good hearted people can only help change such abusive system.
Please let me know if you need any legal advise. I can connect you to the best lawyers in the business. Moreover it is decision time for you. If you believe in fighting back then only take a legal recourse otherwise you will lose your way in between. Also you should make up your mind to fight all the way. Some good hearted people can only help change such abusive system.
Santhosh Min replied to: priya Krishnamurthy
post - 24 Sep, 2009
post - 24 Sep, 2009
79: Please face all these since we are born to
face! No escuses untill you jump and Suicide.
This is the present leaving of human life.
Interested live on, if not JUMP! simple and
too simple. No feelings in this world, U "N"
Me are artificial only.
Posted by: Raj - 28 Aug, 2009
80:Indians have not got the real independance.
People are always there waiting to spoil
someone else's career. In the IT industry,
the managers think that they have come from
heaven. They think they can do what they
like. They were also an fresher once upon a
time and have come across all these stages.
Most IT employees except below the manager
level are facing the same issue. The managers
get all the work done and screw up in
appraisal and give wrong feedback to senior
management. The only way to stop this is to
start a union for IT employees. If all the
Indian IT employees stop working for one
week, then the world will witness the real
scenario. This is applicable to all Indians
abroad. Our brains are being drilled deep
like a bore well. For money sake, people
forget the basic discipline of behaving. we
are being treated as slaves, don't know when
we will get freedom from Indians.
IT slave replied to: Raj
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
81: THIS IS AZIM PREMJI'S SIX SIXGMA STANDARDS
AND BENCHMARKS. AZIM PREMJI'S POLICY OF DOING
BUSINESS, IS THAT WHEN HE DOESN'T seem the
business profitable or he doesn't see Break
even. he adopts the strategies of
retrenchement by hook or crook. this what he
has done with Wipro desktop and server
business. he doesn't want to share more
margins with the channel partners. the asked
the distributors to take care of the business
by asking the channel partners to quit.
Posted by: madhu - 28 Aug, 2009
82:raise your voice on
http://www.petitiononline.com/
petition replied to: madhu
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
83: TALKS TALKS TALKS.. I guess we people in IT
are used to typing and type everything out..
but dont do any damn thing about it.. So many
WIPROITES crying here.. moaning and
blabbering that WIPRO is this and it is
that.. Hell guyzz, y the hell dont u'll get
together and do something abt it. There are
people from ViSHAL's project who are saying
that it is not VISHAL's fault.. well buddy ur
waiting for a Mail to come from the HR.. y
dont u write an email to the HR, put all
employees in CC and ask for the reason of the
EMPLOYEES condition..I guess even ur scared
for your job.. Nothing personal guyz.. just
that we in IT are forgetting that the
companies exist because of us, we do not
exist because of the companies.. It is high
time we have to move things for our rights...
I am in for starting anything that can change
this and save people like VISHAL.. I guess we
can use our LOGICAL brains to something other
than coding.. ITs time we start LIVING..
We are the change we want to be
We are the change we want to be
Posted by: IAMCHANGING - 28 Aug, 2009
84:ok.. u suggest one so as very one.
Naren replied to: IAMCHANGING
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
85: After reading all these comments i am happy
as i am not there in wipro, i also started my
career with Wipro Infotech around 5yrs back.
After working for 2yrs there in 5k per month
when my time came to join Core company Top
management took a decision to moved me on
franchise payroll(I joined as trainee there)
When i refused to do this then these people
threaten me as they will screw my career also
said as this is a small world so be careful.
Its almost 3yrs now here in Genpact and i can
say the kind of flexibility and options
employees have here in this organization no
other company can offer the same. but the
only thing which people don't like in Genpact
is salary, Otherwise everyone knows the
amount of freedom and flexibility which a
Genpact employee enjoys that no other
company's employee enjoys.
Posted by: Unknown - 28 Aug, 2009
86: I have been an ex employee of the
aforementioned organisation, and I can
confirm that I had to face similar tactics
used by my supervisor when I resigned. He
almost threatened to have me blacklisted if I
did not stay longer than the notice period to
complete an assignment.Only I know how I came
out of that mess eventually, by staying low.
Posted by: Monty - 28 Aug, 2009
87: All the rules and regulations done by wipro
is for junior employees.And these managers
always think that their problem is only
problem and others have no problem.There
should be one objective where employee can
give the rating for their manager. Then only
the managers can behave in a proper way.
Posted by: prasad - 28 Aug, 2009
88: hi,
Even i was done the same. I was working with an staffing company. I joined them in oct 05 since then i have recevied many awards with the company and also the client i was working for. I went on my maternity leave and after returing things change a new manager called Aftab started playing politics and forced me to resign. I camplained to my HR but they said Magers are always right so i had to leave.
Even i was done the same. I was working with an staffing company. I joined them in oct 05 since then i have recevied many awards with the company and also the client i was working for. I went on my maternity leave and after returing things change a new manager called Aftab started playing politics and forced me to resign. I camplained to my HR but they said Magers are always right so i had to leave.
Posted by: rama - 28 Aug, 2009
89:no comments plese.........we need a union to
rise questions on organisations
test replied to: rama
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
90: I am ex employee of a Very Reputed MNC in
India. I have worked there for 4+ years.
There are more than 400+ comments on this
single article. And the comments keep on
coming every day.
People are talking about how there must be a union to protect the employees, how deserving people are made to work for a very less salary, how PPF is getting cut inspite of promises made by the companies, how people are committing suicide due to work pressure. I want to make some simle observation on this.
When are we going to understand that all companies operate on profit margins. Any employee thus, coming under expense column of a company. In all cases, I dont see any fault from the company side in what they are doing. I see fault from employee side. When the profit margin decrease, companies will do whatever they can to increase, whether that is forging it (Like Satyam), cutting Variable allowance or Promotions (Like TCS) or extracting more work with less and less salary. What you and me must understand (and it is high time) that this is not going to change. We in India are experiencing it now, in US this has been happening for the last 30 years.
As part of my work, I meet a lot of people. I know how it is out there. But of all the people I meet, very few are their who are willing to do something about. Most of them just talk, with friends, co-workers or sometimes on forums like this.
This is a very general comment, but if any person wants to take charge of the their future and not just waste time talking about it, this is my mail id: ajoyajay@gmail.com
Throw me a mail with your contact information and location, I can seriously help you in this. Dont mail me if you just want to check it out. What I will suggest will take guts and so is not for everyone.
People are talking about how there must be a union to protect the employees, how deserving people are made to work for a very less salary, how PPF is getting cut inspite of promises made by the companies, how people are committing suicide due to work pressure. I want to make some simle observation on this.
When are we going to understand that all companies operate on profit margins. Any employee thus, coming under expense column of a company. In all cases, I dont see any fault from the company side in what they are doing. I see fault from employee side. When the profit margin decrease, companies will do whatever they can to increase, whether that is forging it (Like Satyam), cutting Variable allowance or Promotions (Like TCS) or extracting more work with less and less salary. What you and me must understand (and it is high time) that this is not going to change. We in India are experiencing it now, in US this has been happening for the last 30 years.
As part of my work, I meet a lot of people. I know how it is out there. But of all the people I meet, very few are their who are willing to do something about. Most of them just talk, with friends, co-workers or sometimes on forums like this.
This is a very general comment, but if any person wants to take charge of the their future and not just waste time talking about it, this is my mail id: ajoyajay@gmail.com
Throw me a mail with your contact information and location, I can seriously help you in this. Dont mail me if you just want to check it out. What I will suggest will take guts and so is not for everyone.
Posted by: Ajay Joy - 27 Aug, 2009
91:I have a serious problem with your
observations. Weather it is USA or India, its
not justified for any organization to treate
its employees like a tool and discard it when
the organization feels like. You sound like
you have a plan, whats the idea?
daddy replied to: Ajay Joy
post - 13 Sep, 2009
post - 13 Sep, 2009
92:Greetings from UNITES Professionals.
UNITES Professionals is the only Union for IT & ITES employees in India. Affiliated to UNI Global Union (http://www.uniglobalunion.org), which is a global union for skills and services with 15 million members in 900 unions across the globe.
UNITES strives to create a distinct and cogent link between employers & employees at all levels.
Please keep visiting the UNITES website for regular updates on labour situation in IT/ITES industry and any further information and/or assistance regarding "Your Rights at Work".
You can visit our website at www.unitespro.org , fill up the forms in "Become a member" section for membership registration and "Request for Newsletter" section for receiving monthly newsletter.
It is high time all IT/BPO employees unite and join the UNITES movement. This will certainly make IT employees protect their rights and have a strong voice.
UNITES Professionals is the only Union for IT & ITES employees in India. Affiliated to UNI Global Union (http://www.uniglobalunion.org), which is a global union for skills and services with 15 million members in 900 unions across the globe.
UNITES strives to create a distinct and cogent link between employers & employees at all levels.
Please keep visiting the UNITES website for regular updates on labour situation in IT/ITES industry and any further information and/or assistance regarding "Your Rights at Work".
You can visit our website at www.unitespro.org , fill up the forms in "Become a member" section for membership registration and "Request for Newsletter" section for receiving monthly newsletter.
It is high time all IT/BPO employees unite and join the UNITES movement. This will certainly make IT employees protect their rights and have a strong voice.
UNITES Professionals replied to: Ajay Joy
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
93:Many people are frustrated with the way
layoff is done ind India under the guise of
performance issues. That does not happen in
US. Companies layoff employees, publicly
announce it and pay severance package. India
companies don't want to own the
responsibility of layoff and pay the
severance. They brag about their
non-existent humane face saying they didn't
layoff people even during recession. In
fact many Indian IT biggies including wipro
shamelessly discriminate based on age (they
call it bulge mix). People in US would have
sued their ass of if this had happened.
Unfortunately we don't have any labour law
against age discrimination in India. Pl stop
comparing US and India. If you want to give
up saying it can't be stopped, that is your
choice. I know some people are uniting and
forming IT union. Hope we can have more
bargaining power as employees and treated
with dignity and respect.
wipro-employee replied to: Ajay Joy
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
94: Hi All, Recently I was working with an Top
MNC, in a master-slave relationship. Even
after having 3+ years of experience. Due to
recession, became disgusted to against the
manager.
Just after the joining, dumped all work on to me, due to recession around, didn't act against the manager. I wasn't also performing due new environment all over.
They forcibly made me to quit. Now they have blacklisted my resume.
Just after the joining, dumped all work on to me, due to recession around, didn't act against the manager. I wasn't also performing due new environment all over.
They forcibly made me to quit. Now they have blacklisted my resume.
Posted by: revenge - 27 Aug, 2009
95:Hi small suggestion for you, please take a
revenge against them no problem what ever
happens to him
sss replied to: revenge
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
96:India IT is always in a master slave
realtion. Employees always have to work after
hours without geting anything. All the
employees thinks that they are pleasing their
boss. But actually this is not the case.
After the project everybody forgets. Now all
the companie are triming their workforce by
taking the opportunity of so called
recession.
Taju replied to: revenge
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
97: To sum up - Wipro sucks... and Premji sucks
even more.
Posted by: Deepak - 27 Aug, 2009
98: Wipro Sucks.I am very happy I left Wipro
around 1 year back!
Posted by: Vik - 27 Aug, 2009
99: Hi, I am not an employee of Wipro but reading
all these things I feel very bad for all the
wiproites. I think we all IT peoples need a
strong union to put forward all our
dificulties.
Secondly I will suggest all wiproites to unite and go for a strong protest and 1-2 week no work .
Secondly I will suggest all wiproites to unite and go for a strong protest and 1-2 week no work .
Posted by: Arup - 27 Aug, 2009
100: one of my friend was asked to send
resignation letter after he was called back
from US...Wipro is forcing employees to take
this new exam UCF, which is all mandatory for
all jounior level employees and if you don't
pass in 2-3 attempts, you will be given NI in
annual appraisal and eventually asked to
leave and worst part is that these senior
ba.., who have earned the fortune in peak
time are making the rules. these A., who are
nothing but a bunch of incapabable pigs are
now suddenly thinking of coming up with this
idea of exams.
I myself is Wiproite and believe me have been feeling disgusting.I am looking for change and get out of this company as soon as I can.
But, I feel it is high time to start taking these companies to the court and sue them for mental ...
I myself is Wiproite and believe me have been feeling disgusting.I am looking for change and get out of this company as soon as I can.
But, I feel it is high time to start taking these companies to the court and sue them for mental ...
Posted by: someone - 27 Aug, 2009
101:dude, UCF is not a new exam. It existed as
TPG in BFSI earlier. People are asked to give
exams in certain topics even if they have no
prior experience it. They are likely to fail
and asked to quit once they are unbillable.
No wonder both the reported cases of
harassment/death are from BFSI vertical. I
heard that the PES division head wanted to
layoff 10%, but his kindhearted deputy didn't
agree and was able to bargain it down to 7%.
wipro-hater replied to: someone
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
102: dude, BFSI is not whole Wipro so 90 percent
of the Wiprorite didn't know about it till
UCF came in......UCF was new to us, which is
being mandatory for everyone...and yes, you
are correct... these tests are made to
fail......
I took one of this non-sense test and was feeling so disgusting on the questions.....Those are not to challange employees to enhance their knowledge but to listed them out...
THERE MUST BE SOMETHING, WHICH EMPLOYEE CAN DO
MAYBE DEVELOP A WEBSITE, WHICH WILL BE ACCESSIBLE BY EVERYONE TO GIVE FEEDBACK ABOUT A COMPANY SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW VERY WELL WHAT THEY ARE GOING INTO...IT WILL BE LIKE BUYING A PRODUCT FROM THE MARKET AND YOUVE TO READ THROUGH CUSTOMERS FEEDBACK....
MAY GOD GIVE PEACE and REST IN HELL TO ALL BLOODSUCKER...
I took one of this non-sense test and was feeling so disgusting on the questions.....Those are not to challange employees to enhance their knowledge but to listed them out...
THERE MUST BE SOMETHING, WHICH EMPLOYEE CAN DO
MAYBE DEVELOP A WEBSITE, WHICH WILL BE ACCESSIBLE BY EVERYONE TO GIVE FEEDBACK ABOUT A COMPANY SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW VERY WELL WHAT THEY ARE GOING INTO...IT WILL BE LIKE BUYING A PRODUCT FROM THE MARKET AND YOUVE TO READ THROUGH CUSTOMERS FEEDBACK....
MAY GOD GIVE PEACE and REST IN HELL TO ALL BLOODSUCKER...
Someone replied to: wipro-hater
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
103: yes we need some website to put reviews on
companies and their politics, there is one
called www.jobeehive.com please give the
honest feedback on companies and other way to
fight back these worst companies by making
them resource scarce, then they will
understand value of manpower esp in knowledge
industry. Good news for you all, gov of india
has scrapped all labour laws for IT companies
for 2 years today(31-08-2009) Enjoy the pain
truth replied to: Someone
post - 01 Sep, 2009
post - 01 Sep, 2009
104: What is ERICH,for all stake holders.
I had spoken to some of the wipro employees asking about Enrich.
It is no way entry back to work.
1. The enrich program is about sending employees home with a promise to pay half salary(Actually breaking their final settlement in pieces and claiming that they dont fire employees).
2. People in enrich would not be entertained in any projects for a period of three months
3. The standing instructions to Project managers are "Dont not get people from Enrich program, instead take a campus recruit and put work pressure and get the work out of them at the lowest cost".
4. After three months he/she would be declared unfit as he he/she is not in any project.
5. He/She would be asked to leave wipro with the last piece of his settlement amount(Which they would have paid if he or she had resigned) as they have paid him/her the three months.
6. He/She cannot resign during Enrich program even if they have opportunities else where.
7. He/She would be coming to office twice a week on papers....but in reality he/she has to come to office 6 days a week and work for half pay which is actually him own money which they would have given as final settlement.
7. On failing to do he/she will be black listed in NASSCOM.
8. One must not speak of this to anyone else in the organization(the interviee claims this as "Un-yeilding Integrity" and "Acting with Sensitivity".
I had spoken to some of the wipro employees asking about Enrich.
It is no way entry back to work.
1. The enrich program is about sending employees home with a promise to pay half salary(Actually breaking their final settlement in pieces and claiming that they dont fire employees).
2. People in enrich would not be entertained in any projects for a period of three months
3. The standing instructions to Project managers are "Dont not get people from Enrich program, instead take a campus recruit and put work pressure and get the work out of them at the lowest cost".
4. After three months he/she would be declared unfit as he he/she is not in any project.
5. He/She would be asked to leave wipro with the last piece of his settlement amount(Which they would have paid if he or she had resigned) as they have paid him/her the three months.
6. He/She cannot resign during Enrich program even if they have opportunities else where.
7. He/She would be coming to office twice a week on papers....but in reality he/she has to come to office 6 days a week and work for half pay which is actually him own money which they would have given as final settlement.
7. On failing to do he/she will be black listed in NASSCOM.
8. One must not speak of this to anyone else in the organization(the interviee claims this as "Un-yeilding Integrity" and "Acting with Sensitivity".
Posted by: Joseph - 27 Aug, 2009
105: I am horrified to know that one of our
colleagues died because of HR malpractices in
WEEP-RO. May his soul rest at peace and all
those responsible for the incident be cursed
to death. I am ashamed to call myself a
wiproite. Disease is at the top (Ajim
Premji,Suresh Vaswani, Girish Paranjpe,
Pratik Kumar). People like Amit Bakdas,
Anuradha Raju and Ganesh Halapeti are only
symptoms. I hope Mr. Premji gets some time
off from counting his dollars and take notice
of what is happening in the company. This
company has rapidly degenrated in to a giant
bodyshop after the exit of Vivek Paul. Joint
CEOs are just a big joke.
Posted by: weep-roite - 27 Aug, 2009
106:yeah, it's a bodyshop and pimps (top
management, HR guys) are having a field day.
The day you don't get a customer
(unbillable), hell will break loose.
hoping-to-be-xwiproite-soon replied to: weep-roite
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
107: Is there another suicide going to get
un-noticed in Wipro! Yeah they are good at
messing up and then covering it all up in no
time. I am an employee of Wipro and is
working for the same client as was Vishal.
Its heard that he had an HR interview the day
he committed suicide. Its foolishness to say
that a person would be on leave for 3 months
and then come to office just to comit
suicide! People are made to resign in Wipro
forcibily because this corporate dont even
want to take the responsibility of firing
people. People are harassed by words like "If
you dont do what we want, we will put such
negetive comments in NASSCOM that you would
not get job anywhere in India" and these
words come from nobody but the Head HR
(Badkas) of BFSI vertical. So I highly doubt
that Vishal would have resigned by himself.
Police should investigate the appraisal
rating he received for this year. Its 3
months over since wipro completed the
appraisal process. This year they had
targeted some employees from each projects
and planned their exits using appraisal
process by giving them NI (Needs
Improvement). No wonder even if the employee
had received an Exceeds Expectation in
previous year's appraisal. This is HR policy
of use and throw! This doesnt end here. Then
they force such employees to resign by
humiliating and harassing them, so that they
can put a big fake smile to media and say
that even during recession they did not fire
any employee. Though a person would have
worked days and nights for the project and
Wipro would have stolen 90% of his hard
earned money (Wipro pays its employees only
10% of the money they receive from customers
for that resource). Once the project is over
they dont wait much to put employee into a
program called enrichment where they pay only
half the salary and force resource to sign a
draconian contract which voids all previous
legal documents signed with wipro including
the offer letter by threatening them with
their unlawful termination. And if employee
dont get the project in couple of more months
during enrich program, the harassment begins
which finally ends with forcible resignation.
Employee satisfaction is very low in wipro
and many people are waiting for recesssion to
get over to escape from this prison of
attrocities.
Posted by: San - 27 Aug, 2009
108:Buddy, i am cousin of Vishal, our family is
going through hard time, we couldn't believe
yet tht Vishal did this ! If u know anything
tht could help us to know the right matter
tht made him to commit suicide, pls. contact
me at: anshulstudent@gmail.com
Anshul replied to: San
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
109: Ahyways its very good that at least Wiproites
started to raise voices in a union regardless
of language and region.
Today morning, we were shocked to see stains on floor of tower S2 ground floor.
yesterday one of our brothers has committed suicide. the security told us the incident last night around 10:30 PM the security at that time was shocked to see a body fall right in front of him on the granite floor, for a moment he couldnt understand what had happened, then he came to his senses, he told that the body almost shattered in the pavement.
Vishal Yadav (Business operations Analyst) Dont know from where but his parents were informed and they accepted the body from hospital...
SPIRIT of WIPRO
Towards 10 AM after the police / MEDIA had taken markings, the facilities, cleaned the floor and people started moving. around that area. Its as though nothing has happened. Not one mail or communication was sent today expressing grief or pity. after all this issue isn\'t a big deal of some big ass being promoted or some idiot completing 10 years etc.
We were waiting for some communication to happen so that we would know the facts instead from other sources.
No communication nothing, only mails like Emerging leaders, K chat etc.
Oohh I HATE this place.
Today morning, we were shocked to see stains on floor of tower S2 ground floor.
yesterday one of our brothers has committed suicide. the security told us the incident last night around 10:30 PM the security at that time was shocked to see a body fall right in front of him on the granite floor, for a moment he couldnt understand what had happened, then he came to his senses, he told that the body almost shattered in the pavement.
Vishal Yadav (Business operations Analyst) Dont know from where but his parents were informed and they accepted the body from hospital...
SPIRIT of WIPRO
Towards 10 AM after the police / MEDIA had taken markings, the facilities, cleaned the floor and people started moving. around that area. Its as though nothing has happened. Not one mail or communication was sent today expressing grief or pity. after all this issue isn\'t a big deal of some big ass being promoted or some idiot completing 10 years etc.
We were waiting for some communication to happen so that we would know the facts instead from other sources.
No communication nothing, only mails like Emerging leaders, K chat etc.
Oohh I HATE this place.
Posted by: wiproite - 27 Aug, 2009
110:There is no debate on the point that 'Wipro
Sucks', the observations is not restrected
only to the IT, its even worse in the Wipro
BPO. If we could really unite all the
Wiproits, we could make Wipro an EXAMPLE for
the entire World.
daddy replied to: wiproite
post - 13 Sep, 2009
post - 13 Sep, 2009
111: How many of you working in Wipro know that
contribution towards PPF from the employee
and the employer, both are deducted from the
employee's salary. It is a part of employee's
CTC.
Posted by: wiprosu - 27 Aug, 2009
112:Deducting PPF from employee's CTC is
happening not only in Wipro, now a days it is
very common in almost all private companies.
Before joining a company the HR gives a
salary break-up sheet which doesnot show this
malpractice. And one will come to know only
while getting his/her first salary. So in
other terms, we have to contributing for
employees PPF from both the ends. And you'll
be shocked to hear that even this web portal
(SI) is no different than others. One of the
highly unprofessional media co.
ex-employee replied to: wiprosu
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
113: PPF is Public Provident Fund. What you are
talking about is PF.
Don Raphael replied to: ex-employee
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
114: If the investigations turn out to be true,
Wipro should be sacked for Harassment of the
employee. A criminal case should be booked
against everyone who tortured the person.
They lack professionalism and ethics!. No
union can resolve this. Some managers need to
learn the lesson the hard way!
Posted by: Abhishek - 27 Aug, 2009
115:If the investigation turns out to be true,
the so-called seniors/higher-ups involved in
this case should be black-listed in NASSCOM
and barred from employment elsewhere. They
should be booted out of the company with no
company benefits. Also, they should be booked
under appropriate criminal charges and their
withdrawn company benefits should be given to
the concerned employee for causing him mental
trauma. This will serve a fitting lesson to
the potential trouble makers in the
management of other companies.
Sreeram replied to: Abhishek
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
116: Yesterday night a wipro employee died in
tower S2.
VISHAL. 35 yrs old (I don't know more details)
He is alleged to have committed suicide by jumping from the 9th floor.
God Help his family.
VISHAL. 35 yrs old (I don't know more details)
He is alleged to have committed suicide by jumping from the 9th floor.
God Help his family.
Posted by: Unknown - 27 Aug, 2009
117: Dear SiliconIndia
When u will remove this artlcle!
and
Dear ALL
Please go to the nearest labour court of your city, and check the other industries employees of 10 yrs 15 yrs and 20 yrs experienced persons case. Now only u realised the ULTIMATE concept of the unity on employees.
it is very poor.
DO U KNOW THE MEANING OF THE MAY DAY.!
All of u are giving voice against the company for your ONLY One of your IT person?
KINDLY, Give ALL OF YOUR voice to solve all of our brothers and sisters in the other field also, those who is getting only Rs 2000 to Rs 5000 per month, even through they r well qualified then you.
Thanks & Regards
Lenin
When u will remove this artlcle!
and
Dear ALL
Please go to the nearest labour court of your city, and check the other industries employees of 10 yrs 15 yrs and 20 yrs experienced persons case. Now only u realised the ULTIMATE concept of the unity on employees.
it is very poor.
DO U KNOW THE MEANING OF THE MAY DAY.!
All of u are giving voice against the company for your ONLY One of your IT person?
KINDLY, Give ALL OF YOUR voice to solve all of our brothers and sisters in the other field also, those who is getting only Rs 2000 to Rs 5000 per month, even through they r well qualified then you.
Thanks & Regards
Lenin
Posted by: Lenin - 26 Aug, 2009
118:lenin, what you want to say is.... if other
people can adjust with the injustice why
can't we... right?
or is it if other companies treat humans like anything than why should we stop Wipro from doing so, after all even it is also a bussiness firm totally dedicated to make profit and not for any kind of human consideration for employees or any kind of respect for country or society in which it operates.
I think we are not debating about the salary offered to any employee, we are just asking one simple question :
"is it right to harass a human in close room?"
Now please note "human" stand for any one and not in particular for Wipro employee.
and I think we should feel happy that every one is uniting to fight the injustice. Today they might be fighting for one IT prof, tomorrow they will unite to fight against any other kind of injustice... as u mentioned " people who r qualified and getting low salary" and if this blog is helping the people to unite why you want it to be deleted.
are you a WIPROITE ?
or is it if other companies treat humans like anything than why should we stop Wipro from doing so, after all even it is also a bussiness firm totally dedicated to make profit and not for any kind of human consideration for employees or any kind of respect for country or society in which it operates.
I think we are not debating about the salary offered to any employee, we are just asking one simple question :
"is it right to harass a human in close room?"
Now please note "human" stand for any one and not in particular for Wipro employee.
and I think we should feel happy that every one is uniting to fight the injustice. Today they might be fighting for one IT prof, tomorrow they will unite to fight against any other kind of injustice... as u mentioned " people who r qualified and getting low salary" and if this blog is helping the people to unite why you want it to be deleted.
are you a WIPROITE ?
xyz replied to: Lenin
post - 26 Aug, 2009
post - 26 Aug, 2009
119: Dear XYZ
I am not belongs to wipro and anyother company.
I am lenin alais Ernesto Che Guvera my id cheguvera.ernesto@gmail.com
If you have any questions, plese send email to me, i am always availabe for helping others in all respect!
Thanks & Regards
Ernesto Che Guvera
I am not belongs to wipro and anyother company.
I am lenin alais Ernesto Che Guvera my id cheguvera.ernesto@gmail.com
If you have any questions, plese send email to me, i am always availabe for helping others in all respect!
Thanks & Regards
Ernesto Che Guvera
Erneto Che Guvera replied to: xyz
post - 26 Aug, 2009
post - 26 Aug, 2009
120:Thank you Lenin for saying truth bluntly.
srs replied to: Lenin
post - 26 Aug, 2009
post - 26 Aug, 2009
121: Dear Mr XYZ
\"lenin, what you want to say is.... if other people can adjust with the injustice why can\'t we... right?\"
--- I am not against any company and also the great human rights.ok. And also i am not saying that to adjust with the injustice circumstances.
--- If you or your recommended person is right in his statements against the company(Wipro), Why he is waiting? go and get the free legal services and solve injustice problem.
-\"is it right to harass a human in close room?\"-
Get the legal aid and discuss with the respective person.
The perticular article is the statement from one end.not both the end..please check with the other end also. then only we can come to the conclesion. wether the harassment was happened or not.
My dear XYZ
why i am deleting this article is, THIS IS PURLY FROM ONE SIDE STATEMENT. NOT FROM BOTH END. OK.
Good luck for replying my comments.
Thanks & regards
LENIN
\"lenin, what you want to say is.... if other people can adjust with the injustice why can\'t we... right?\"
--- I am not against any company and also the great human rights.ok. And also i am not saying that to adjust with the injustice circumstances.
--- If you or your recommended person is right in his statements against the company(Wipro), Why he is waiting? go and get the free legal services and solve injustice problem.
-\"is it right to harass a human in close room?\"-
Get the legal aid and discuss with the respective person.
The perticular article is the statement from one end.not both the end..please check with the other end also. then only we can come to the conclesion. wether the harassment was happened or not.
My dear XYZ
why i am deleting this article is, THIS IS PURLY FROM ONE SIDE STATEMENT. NOT FROM BOTH END. OK.
Good luck for replying my comments.
Thanks & regards
LENIN
LENIN replied to: srs
post - 26 Aug, 2009
post - 26 Aug, 2009
122: Just before two months back I was working in
wipro Technology as a contract employee.
Oneday Suddenly I had Faced the same issue by
my manager from the company, while I had not
done any mistake. When I faced the issue I
came home and simply send a mail to Azim
Premjee By puting CC to other Engineers and
Managers. After one day I got call from some
manager. I went to company and spoke to my
manager and the other managers of wipro
company. Atlast I felt they did not say
anything to the manager, But told me to join
the company again as fault was from their
side. But I said them to leave the company
from myside. Atlast I left the company. I
know One thing the behavior of wipro managers
are so bad and other thing is they treat the
employee like any thing, and use of slang is
a common thing for them. So we should not
except any type of good responce from them.
Cause after leaveing the company also,
Sometimes they are cheating with me, Also
turchering through the consultance. After
leaving the company I faced the lot of
problem to get the experience confirmation
when I got a new job. So If u really want to
fight, take your justice by sending a legal
notice from court. If you want then what ever
I can I will try to help you. If you want
also I can send this mail which I had send to
Azim premjee.
yours
Ranjan
yours
Ranjan
Posted by: Shibashisa Manas Ranjan Padhi - 25 Aug, 2009
123:If this is your standard of English,you do
deserve to be sacked. Who recruited you ?
axeman replied to: Shibashisa Manas Ranjan Padhi
post - 30 Aug, 2009
post - 30 Aug, 2009
124:hi,i also facing the same issue.i was asked
to leave the company simply for getting NI.If
i ask reason for NI,i have been told it is
because of pressure from TED.im simly
confuse.Pleas forward me the mail which u
sent to Premji to nancy.jerald@gmail.com
Nancy replied to: Shibashisa Manas Ranjan Padhi
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
125:I need your help my mail id is
abhishek.roy3112@gmail.com.
Abhishek Roy replied to: Shibashisa Manas Ranjan Padhi
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
126:Hi Ranjan,
I am in kind of a situation too.
I resigned from Wipro on the 13th of aug and had to join my new employer by the 15th of sep. So i gave them a one month notice. They are sayin do whatever u want to do, we will not release u before the 13th of oct (2 months).
Is there a law against this, because i am ready to pay my one month salary in lieu of 1 month short notice period.
Please help wid ur suggestion.
I am in kind of a situation too.
I resigned from Wipro on the 13th of aug and had to join my new employer by the 15th of sep. So i gave them a one month notice. They are sayin do whatever u want to do, we will not release u before the 13th of oct (2 months).
Is there a law against this, because i am ready to pay my one month salary in lieu of 1 month short notice period.
Please help wid ur suggestion.
Ankur replied to: Shibashisa Manas Ranjan Padhi
post - 26 Aug, 2009
post - 26 Aug, 2009
127: Just to bring my reply on top of the
page...
let us priortise the tasks at hand,
1. Help Ram in whatever way he needs to fight his case and get the justice.
2. In parallel start a UNION for IT professionals to find the ways how to get further social, media as well as political support for a legalised UNION and labour law.
3. Take the mask out from Wipro's face before its client base and Indian IT professionals by publishing its malpractices.
4. Personal criticism on Villains i.e. Anuradha Raju (Assistant Manager, TED, Testing Services, BFSI), Ganesh Halapeti (Senior Project Manager, AXA, Australia), Saurabh Govil, Senior Vice-President (HR), Wipro Technologies etc by publicing their posters and exposing their works in professional as well as in personal lives (be sure that would be of media's interest).
5. An oraganised protest before E-City Wipro office with a good media exposure.
6. File an application to High Court, seeking a rule for IT companies allowing its employees to form a UNION.
let us priortise the tasks at hand,
1. Help Ram in whatever way he needs to fight his case and get the justice.
2. In parallel start a UNION for IT professionals to find the ways how to get further social, media as well as political support for a legalised UNION and labour law.
3. Take the mask out from Wipro's face before its client base and Indian IT professionals by publishing its malpractices.
4. Personal criticism on Villains i.e. Anuradha Raju (Assistant Manager, TED, Testing Services, BFSI), Ganesh Halapeti (Senior Project Manager, AXA, Australia), Saurabh Govil, Senior Vice-President (HR), Wipro Technologies etc by publicing their posters and exposing their works in professional as well as in personal lives (be sure that would be of media's interest).
5. An oraganised protest before E-City Wipro office with a good media exposure.
6. File an application to High Court, seeking a rule for IT companies allowing its employees to form a UNION.
Posted by: WouldLike2BAnonymous - 25 Aug, 2009
128:We have already started the process of
forming a platform for IT employees.
Please have a look at www.itpa.org.in
Please have a look at www.itpa.org.in
L.V. Subramaniam replied to: WouldLike2BAnonymous
post - 25 Aug, 2009
post - 25 Aug, 2009
129: Don't forget about Ram's case. Keep his case
alive else another such discussion and unity
will take time to come. And many more will
suffer till then.
WouldLike2BAnonymous replied to: L.V. Subramaniam
post - 26 Aug, 2009
post - 26 Aug, 2009
130:Even I am of those victims who have faced
similar kind of fate recently in Wipro
Technology. I would be happy to share my
experience and the ill treatment meted to me
by Wipro Rechnology
Sujit Kumar Thakur replied to: WouldLike2BAnonymous
post - 25 Aug, 2009
post - 25 Aug, 2009
131: Dear All
A Friend of mine has met Ram. He told me that Ram told he could have kept quite like many have done. But he choose to fight for beyond himself, for a greater cause. To bring an awareness among other IT Professionals. Our Awareness, togetherness, and concrete action against the bigger issue will be right tribute to his effort.
I just learnt that he is not keeping well with minor illness. I will meet him over the weekend. There is a group of legal experts, activists, media, Industry experts under formation to take on the bigger issue. To take the movement to its logical conclusion that Ram has started.
A close investigation and discussion has shown that the noxious is much bigger than what meets the eye. With the current arrangement of the noxious, it is almost impossible to curb such mass exploitation in short time. There is a need of reforms and mass movement to change the environment in the favor of the employees.
I would request all our friends here to not forget the issue. And wait for the call by the group to extend your support.
I will invite you all to our formal meeting with opportunity to actively taking part or lead the movement. Meanwhile you can contact me to know detail about the movement and extend your active support.
A Friend of mine has met Ram. He told me that Ram told he could have kept quite like many have done. But he choose to fight for beyond himself, for a greater cause. To bring an awareness among other IT Professionals. Our Awareness, togetherness, and concrete action against the bigger issue will be right tribute to his effort.
I just learnt that he is not keeping well with minor illness. I will meet him over the weekend. There is a group of legal experts, activists, media, Industry experts under formation to take on the bigger issue. To take the movement to its logical conclusion that Ram has started.
A close investigation and discussion has shown that the noxious is much bigger than what meets the eye. With the current arrangement of the noxious, it is almost impossible to curb such mass exploitation in short time. There is a need of reforms and mass movement to change the environment in the favor of the employees.
I would request all our friends here to not forget the issue. And wait for the call by the group to extend your support.
I will invite you all to our formal meeting with opportunity to actively taking part or lead the movement. Meanwhile you can contact me to know detail about the movement and extend your active support.
Posted by: srs - 24 Aug, 2009
132:Hi Srs,
I would really be glad to join hands with you and fight aginst the haapenings...Plz keep the updates posted here..
I would really be glad to join hands with you and fight aginst the haapenings...Plz keep the updates posted here..
Waseian replied to: srs
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
133:Hi,
Please provide me your contact number.I will also join the union to fight the injustice against the employees.
Regards,
Sanjeev Kulkarni
Please provide me your contact number.I will also join the union to fight the injustice against the employees.
Regards,
Sanjeev Kulkarni
Sanjeev replied to: srs
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
134: As a ex wiproite I want to list the following
points to all.
1. Wipro not loyal to the employee, those who worked hard for sevaral yrs asked to quit because of the recession.
2.Last quater result of wipro was better that other companys, the reason is they are sacking experienced professional and bringing in fresh graduate, I would say this would hit wipro in future.
3. As a big organaisation they can get those exp professional back when they need, but I would suggest dont join in wipro ever.
4.Instead of sacking people they can reduce the salary, I hope few other indian company doing that.
5.They have a program called WASE, the WASEans paid only 6-7k per month but they billed with dollors per hr. For one day billing they can pay the salary. This is the way they making profits. It's totaly unfair.
6.Finally Lets spread the news to all IT techies so that they can aware what wipro is doing to get the profit.
1. Wipro not loyal to the employee, those who worked hard for sevaral yrs asked to quit because of the recession.
2.Last quater result of wipro was better that other companys, the reason is they are sacking experienced professional and bringing in fresh graduate, I would say this would hit wipro in future.
3. As a big organaisation they can get those exp professional back when they need, but I would suggest dont join in wipro ever.
4.Instead of sacking people they can reduce the salary, I hope few other indian company doing that.
5.They have a program called WASE, the WASEans paid only 6-7k per month but they billed with dollors per hr. For one day billing they can pay the salary. This is the way they making profits. It's totaly unfair.
6.Finally Lets spread the news to all IT techies so that they can aware what wipro is doing to get the profit.
Posted by: Activist - 24 Aug, 2009
135: We read here that Wipro has policy that bars
its employ to practice their legal rights as
per the Indian constitution.
The question is. Does Wipro have a different law other that Indian constitution, and Indian labor law?
Which law of the land Wipro is following? It is not following Indian constitution in India.
Not following European law in Europe As mentioned by many friends here. That Wipro violates the Visa rule there.
It was banned from World Bank project for 4 years in 2007in the for bribing.
Many friends have mentioned the malpractice in USA.
Wipro is getting tax exemptions. It is getting Land from Indian government to promote Industry. It is operating with India using and benefiting from the Countries machinery, and systems. It is exploiting the cheap human resource available in India.
The only benefit is there are many who get a decent earning to survive, As long as the market is good. With the cost of their severing right, Dignity, and self-respect, and mental peace.
Personally, it is a heavy price to pay. What you will get if you party with a company having illegal practice.
The question is. Does Wipro have a different law other that Indian constitution, and Indian labor law?
Which law of the land Wipro is following? It is not following Indian constitution in India.
Not following European law in Europe As mentioned by many friends here. That Wipro violates the Visa rule there.
It was banned from World Bank project for 4 years in 2007in the for bribing.
Many friends have mentioned the malpractice in USA.
Wipro is getting tax exemptions. It is getting Land from Indian government to promote Industry. It is operating with India using and benefiting from the Countries machinery, and systems. It is exploiting the cheap human resource available in India.
The only benefit is there are many who get a decent earning to survive, As long as the market is good. With the cost of their severing right, Dignity, and self-respect, and mental peace.
Personally, it is a heavy price to pay. What you will get if you party with a company having illegal practice.
Posted by: Activist - 24 Aug, 2009
136:Hello All
All other industries have labout union in the companies but IT is the only industry where labour union is not in force, due to this the HR take a huge salary. Why cant we force the government to have labout union in IT industry. What say guys.
All other industries have labout union in the companies but IT is the only industry where labour union is not in force, due to this the HR take a huge salary. Why cant we force the government to have labout union in IT industry. What say guys.
Rocky replied to: Activist
post - 25 Aug, 2009
post - 25 Aug, 2009
137: let us priortise the tasks at hand,
1. Help Ram in whatever way he needs to fight his case and get the justice.
2. In parallel start a UNION for IT professionals to find the ways how to get further social, media as well as political support for a legalised UNION and labour law.
3. Take the mask out from Wipro's face before its client base and Indian IT professionals by publishing its malpractices.
4. Personal criticism on Villains i.e. Anuradha Raju (Assistant Manager, TED, Testing Services, BFSI), Ganesh Halapeti (Senior Project Manager, AXA, Australia), Saurabh Govil, Senior Vice-President (HR), Wipro Technologies etc by publicing their posters and exposing their works in professional as well as in personal lives (be sure that would be of media's interest).
5. An oraganised protest before E-City Wipro office with a good media exposure.
6. File an application to High Court, seeking a rule for IT companies allowing its employees to form a UNION.
1. Help Ram in whatever way he needs to fight his case and get the justice.
2. In parallel start a UNION for IT professionals to find the ways how to get further social, media as well as political support for a legalised UNION and labour law.
3. Take the mask out from Wipro's face before its client base and Indian IT professionals by publishing its malpractices.
4. Personal criticism on Villains i.e. Anuradha Raju (Assistant Manager, TED, Testing Services, BFSI), Ganesh Halapeti (Senior Project Manager, AXA, Australia), Saurabh Govil, Senior Vice-President (HR), Wipro Technologies etc by publicing their posters and exposing their works in professional as well as in personal lives (be sure that would be of media's interest).
5. An oraganised protest before E-City Wipro office with a good media exposure.
6. File an application to High Court, seeking a rule for IT companies allowing its employees to form a UNION.
WouldLike2BAnonymous replied to: Rocky
post - 25 Aug, 2009
post - 25 Aug, 2009
138:Why cann't we help Ram financially. He has
taken a bold step and will give a major
impact to Corporate selfishness. All he needs
a big publicity and exposure and legal
support. Why some one not suggesting Ram to
put ad for helping him. And why no social
service org or NGO helping him out. I would
say 100/200 Rs if every sw eng contributes
then he will have good lawyer to fight his
case and also other's will be encouraged to
challenge the might of these big corporates
unknown replied to: Activist
post - 24 Aug, 2009
post - 24 Aug, 2009
139: Is Any one from Wipro is here who can get
Rams telephone number for us to know where is
his case?
Rams is only one case and might be a small case, and we have to see the proof, and strength of the case.
It is alwayes very imposible to proove the harasment cases. As it happens inside the office and people usually do not think of gathering proof.
But many cases like Ram can be prevented if we focus on cases where conviction will be possible.
Rams is only one case and might be a small case, and we have to see the proof, and strength of the case.
It is alwayes very imposible to proove the harasment cases. As it happens inside the office and people usually do not think of gathering proof.
But many cases like Ram can be prevented if we focus on cases where conviction will be possible.
Dan replied to: unknown
post - 24 Aug, 2009
post - 24 Aug, 2009
140: With reference to the warning by wipro
technologies that its businesses could be
"adversely" affected due to the disclosure
made by World Bank nearly four months ago
that the Indian company was ineligible to
work with the international lending
institution.as informed to its American
shareholders and market regulator Securities
and Exchange Commission.This is absolute
nonsense. Primarily it has to keep its house
in order. Since several months Wipro is
losing its exceptionally talented resources
due to self-centered mind-set of its human
resources management. As per my interface
with several wipro and ex wipro employees it
is clandestinely getting rid of thousands of
employees in an unwarranted manner. In
correlation to this, please visit
www.lay-off.org website and read all the
posts and comments of various affected wipro
employees.World bank had only disclosed what
it has found in its inquiry and Wipro said
that it could adversely affect our business
and results of operations. Losing just one
customer and that too in Banking sector will
definitely not impact its business. It is
trying to diverge from other facts which
would result in collapse of the company. The
management has given clear directions to its
HR to fire people in whatever way possible.
So in the near future only incapable,
incompetent resources would endure in Wipro.
There are many legal cases filed against the
company by several thousand ex employees of
wipro. There are several complaints against
the malpractices of the company. The ex
employees have also approached several Unions
to fight collectively against this high
handedness of wipro management. So Wipro will
face colossal rebellion by its sacked
employees.
Posted by: tej - 24 Aug, 2009
141:Guys, I do not know if other Indian companies
are also practicing unethical business, but I
am sure Wipro is doing so. Wipro employees
has been black listed in many european
countries due to wrong registration processes
( wipro european staff is helping people to
get registered with fake address) and even
european goverment is helpless to stop such
fraud. People are being asked to work with
different countries Visa, yes schangen visa
allows you to travel to all the european
union countries but you have permission to
work in only one country for which you have
work permit. However here wipro takes pride
to misuse european law.And if a person is
caught here only that employee will be
punished though he is foolishly following his
manager's instructions. Its not the end,
customers have started complaining that Wipro
first sends good experienced people to get
the project, but after some time all the
experienced people will be gone and new less
experienced people will be left trying to run
the project, which spoils their work done so
far. And if mention this to managers they
will shamelessly approve such initiatives,
they say we have learned about the work and
this experience in our resume will help to
bring in some more projects and there are
many such malpractices by Wipro. So its not
surprising to see Wipro being unethical to
its employees. But surely each of the sacked
employee must file a case against this
company. And I also support the idea of UNION
for IT industry as well. This industry is
maturing and exploitation will be increasing
to book same profit as before. To safeguard
human values and avoid exploitation, it is
must to have a well defined labour law for
this sector as well, and there must be fear
in employers to introduce damaging policy for
employees without having a very good reason
for the same.I believe this can be achieved
only by might of a UNION of minimum size of
10K people, country wide. And further to add
here, UNION if forces 2 days strike before
WIPRO E-City campus, will prove to be a
economical slap on company's face, hence it
will stick to its policy only if it sees
benefit larger than loss due to two days of
no work.Now consider 5 days strike :-)
And if you have many people with this movement you have political will also. And don't bother about bad guys or politicians, they are inevitable, and not a reason for not starting some thing so important.
And if you have many people with this movement you have political will also. And don't bother about bad guys or politicians, they are inevitable, and not a reason for not starting some thing so important.
WouldLike2BAnonymous replied to: tej
post - 24 Aug, 2009
post - 24 Aug, 2009
142: According to company rules, union cannot be
formed. It may happen that employees may have
to loose their jobs, if they form the union.
I would suggest that if Wipro employees want
to protest, they should keep the wipro
policies in mind, otherwise their acts may
have adverse affect on their career.
wiprosu replied to: WouldLike2BAnonymous
post - 24 Aug, 2009
post - 24 Aug, 2009
143: And IT people also cast their vote, and any
political party will show interest and
support if they see a mass against single
cause. Then we should see how one such
stupidity will cost Wipro and finally
stopping it forever from committing
exploitation and human right violation. And
Shruti said correctly, WIPRO MUST respect
India's law.
WouldLike2BAnonymous replied to: wiprosu
post - 24 Aug, 2009
post - 24 Aug, 2009
144: UNION and STRIKE is not allowed inside Wipro
by Wipro Employees, but what about a UNION
outside Wipro by many companies' employees
WITH HELP OF A VICTIM OF WIPRO's CRIMINAL HR
and MANAGERS(like Ram), protesting outside
Wipro Campus for Exposing Wipro and with
strength to file few cases against it with
help of some good Lawyers. This is enough for
giving a fullstop to Wipro's unchallenged
malpractices. And Wipro employees can
participate in similar way to help friends
working in other companies.
WouldLike2BAnonymous replied to: wiprosu
post - 24 Aug, 2009
post - 24 Aug, 2009
145: I guess it should more as per the labor law.
Wipro operates within India and subjected to
law of the land. And its rule cannot be
different.
No one can be penalized by any company if they operates within the law of the land. The freedom of a citizen does not seizes to exist if someone joins Wipro. If Wipro takes any action against those operating within the law of the land, then there is something seriously wrong with Wipro. Then the matter is much more serious that we are thinking.
No one can be penalized by any company if they operates within the law of the land. The freedom of a citizen does not seizes to exist if someone joins Wipro. If Wipro takes any action against those operating within the law of the land, then there is something seriously wrong with Wipro. Then the matter is much more serious that we are thinking.
Smruti replied to: wiprosu
post - 24 Aug, 2009
post - 24 Aug, 2009
146: I really appreciate Ram for taking this bold
step. It will be more distressing if wipro
doesn't own up the responsibility of this
torture. Wipro can also hurl away some money
to Electronic city police to weaken the case.
Wipro Top management was involved in this
nexus previously.
Posted by: kushal - 24 Aug, 2009
147: We are already in the process of forming a
platform for IT Employees. Please go through
www.itpa.org.in
Posted by: L.V. Subramaniam - 24 Aug, 2009
148:Briliant Innitiative,
I suggest all should join here. All as one in only one platform.
If it is already formed i am in the view to not form any more platform. Rather united in one.
I suggest all should join here. All as one in only one platform.
If it is already formed i am in the view to not form any more platform. Rather united in one.
Smruti Ranjan replied to: L.V. Subramaniam
post - 24 Aug, 2009
post - 24 Aug, 2009
149: It is very heartning to hear these facts and
its true that many of us woking in this
industry would have faced or might face a
similar situation or lesser or more
pedigree.
I think so NASSOM or the IT ministry should come up with some solution to protect employee rights and career and future.
I think so NASSOM or the IT ministry should come up with some solution to protect employee rights and career and future.
Posted by: Amit - 24 Aug, 2009
150: similar scenarios exist in the other IT
giants as well. Most of the superiors in
these companies take their subordinates for
granted. All they care about is their own
success.
Posted by: Rahul - 24 Aug, 2009
151: Good to note that employees feel and went to
be heard, I have heard of UNITES
Professionals www.unitespro.org, they have
been working in this field and I read an
article about them in Outlook magazine some
time back which had interviews of IT/ITES
employees.
Posted by: anonymus - 24 Aug, 2009
152:UNITES generally tend to act if the company
involved is large enough to get them some
publicity. I know people personally who have
approached UNITES when harassed by the
company, but couldn't get UNITES interested
enough to act for them. What he got was a
lame response "we will get back to you" I
have my own doubts on UNITES. There are
thousands of small companies (IT) who are
harassing employees similar if not worse! But
just that media might not be interested
enough to say "Ex-XYZ employee complains
about harassment" I hope this news doesn't
end up as a just another link over website,
with lots of comments. Ram's case should get
enough public attention to be taken
seriously.
AngryAnonymous replied to: anonymus
post - 25 Aug, 2009
post - 25 Aug, 2009
153: I totally agree with the issue highlighted.
Its really getting over our heads now and we
should be fighting back. I am working with
Tech Mahindra and believe me, they never do
these kind of things also the policies are
great and the facilities are not that bad.
FMG take very quick action over the
issues.
I just want to say, we should learn to raise our voice.
The worst part is, WIPRO the so called Giant had recruited all the 9 pointers of my Institute SGGS Nanded in 2008 being the first company in Feb 2008. So far they havent got the joining and the dates given to them are on 29th December 2009. Are they silly or stupid to wait?
They havent given the exams of CAT or CET as first in November last year they promised and then again March they made the fake promise again and now all are struggling as the market is already down.
Its playing with Carriers who are really in need of money as they belong to very poor families who cant afford higher education.
Wipro, dont recruit if you cant give the joining, let the students not see fake dreams that you are never going to make True.
I am happiest at this point that I wasnt selected in Wipro what is relief.
Premji, show a little PREM to the employee or else your ASEEM empire will be ruined soon if a spark burst our in your employees who are driving you tonns of dollars.
I just want to say, we should learn to raise our voice.
The worst part is, WIPRO the so called Giant had recruited all the 9 pointers of my Institute SGGS Nanded in 2008 being the first company in Feb 2008. So far they havent got the joining and the dates given to them are on 29th December 2009. Are they silly or stupid to wait?
They havent given the exams of CAT or CET as first in November last year they promised and then again March they made the fake promise again and now all are struggling as the market is already down.
Its playing with Carriers who are really in need of money as they belong to very poor families who cant afford higher education.
Wipro, dont recruit if you cant give the joining, let the students not see fake dreams that you are never going to make True.
I am happiest at this point that I wasnt selected in Wipro what is relief.
Premji, show a little PREM to the employee or else your ASEEM empire will be ruined soon if a spark burst our in your employees who are driving you tonns of dollars.
Posted by: dj vip mog - 24 Aug, 2009
154: Wipro is sacking people or asking them to
join Enrich(Half Salary) progrogram because
they don't have project due to bad market
situation.
1.Just imagine a employee of less merit is getting all the benefits because he's in project.
2.Is this applicable to Top management? Are they getting less salary/bonus?
If we calculate like this- Project's managers (10-15)% salary cut can save two freshers(freshers' salary is also reduced by 10-15%), (10-15)% Salary cut of GM can save two PM,similarly 10-15% of salary cut of Top management can save two GM..then why not over-all salary reduction is happened in wipro(Salary reduction of all by 10-15%)? Why not all should be effected by bad market situation?
Now the situation in wipro is individual getting penalized due to recession, where they doesn't have any fault. Others enjoying the life.. may be they are having less experience or less merit.. or in top management.
1.Just imagine a employee of less merit is getting all the benefits because he's in project.
2.Is this applicable to Top management? Are they getting less salary/bonus?
If we calculate like this- Project's managers (10-15)% salary cut can save two freshers(freshers' salary is also reduced by 10-15%), (10-15)% Salary cut of GM can save two PM,similarly 10-15% of salary cut of Top management can save two GM..then why not over-all salary reduction is happened in wipro(Salary reduction of all by 10-15%)? Why not all should be effected by bad market situation?
Now the situation in wipro is individual getting penalized due to recession, where they doesn't have any fault. Others enjoying the life.. may be they are having less experience or less merit.. or in top management.
Posted by: XYZ - 24 Aug, 2009
155: It's true. Wipro is unethical in everysense.
It has managers who think they are gods
(dogs!). I feel in Wipro people with 1-4
years in wipro really work hard. Once they
become red taggers (a shitty concept by
Wipro!) they behave like mad dogs harrassing
people who are new to Wipro. Wipro will
become a better place if they clean up all
top management guys and remove the concept of
red, green and shit tag concepts! Days are
not far ahead, if Wipro becomes a hell to
work , if it continues to treat the employees
the way it is treating now. Premzi are you
listening or busy in counting money?!
Posted by: Ex Wiproite - 23 Aug, 2009
156:I agree. Same with Infosys. The managers act
like very good people but actually they
believe stringly that they are gods.They are
real crooks.Read my post in which I was
driven mad.
prathap replied to: Ex Wiproite
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
157:your each and every statement is true...
noMattersWho replied to: Ex Wiproite
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
158: I am fully agree with this post. Wipro is
really a very unethical place to work and its
whole environment is more politicized. I am
an exEmployee and the kind of situation, I
have faced cannot be narrated in words. I had
a fractured leg but still I went to office
during holidays by scooter. Thinking those
days are like nightmare for me. That time, I
was newly married and had really a tough
time.
Posted by: Cool Techie - 23 Aug, 2009
159:Ya its Realy the true fact that Wipro has
laid-off more than 8000 (eight thousand)
employees in the last 5 months.
Actually it is a bad manner doing this kind of things. They are harassing people. I know By Laying off only WIPRO has maintained proffit in the Last Year Financial Quater, and they got it more what they expected............
Actually it is a bad manner doing this kind of things. They are harassing people. I know By Laying off only WIPRO has maintained proffit in the Last Year Financial Quater, and they got it more what they expected............
Raghunandan replied to: Cool Techie
post - 24 Aug, 2009
post - 24 Aug, 2009
160: It is hardly a surprise. I am also a former
wipro employee and it is really astonishing
that a company of such global repute has a
work ethic comparable to stalinist rule. It
has ruined whatever ability, the talented
young people who join them had to offer to
the country,exploitation of all kinds is
rampant and I strongly believe the underworld
will be more understanding towards their
employees needs than wipro will ever have.
They do not even allow the employee deaths
happening in their cabs to be reported in the
media, rapes go unreported and these are only
two major examples of their misdeeds.I
strongly believe that a company with such
morals will fall under its own weight
eventually.Azim needs to understand that
selling oil is a bit different than dealing
with human resources and the service they
provide.You cant take humans for
granted.History will tell you that whoever
has done that, has perished.
Posted by: somit biswas - 23 Aug, 2009
161:very sad on your part even In this kalyug
period such happended to many employee in
there life time once .this can be only
stopped if some rules and regulation formed
by govt to this corporate world .also each
organisation should have strong Human
resource interference before employee
leaves.
advice to all those who read this :give time & Love your family also love yourself ,take care of yourself and your health and work only to meet your given target .
do not love organisation.one day this will not be yours .you and yourfamily will be forever.
advice to all those who read this :give time & Love your family also love yourself ,take care of yourself and your health and work only to meet your given target .
do not love organisation.one day this will not be yours .you and yourfamily will be forever.
praveen sinha replied to: somit biswas
post - 24 Aug, 2009
post - 24 Aug, 2009
162: I was subjected to extreme harassment and was
also abducted by Company employees before
being sacked from a Government PSU (under the
ministry of Defence) after nearly 22 years of
service. How about that? Now I will have
run around from pillar to post for redressal
let alone hire an advocate.
Posted by: Anand - 23 Aug, 2009
163: by the way under what law and protection can
we intitute a formal complaint.
unfortunately, the laws do not have a
provision of harrasment in the workplace
except for the company's own code of conduct.
Posted by: surender - 23 Aug, 2009
164: Hi Guys, Good that most of us who are working
in the so called corporates are touched with
whatever happened with Ram Manohar. Guys i
work with a priciple that treat the way you
get treated. love your work and not the
company. Do not be loyal to any company just
do your work and do not try to over do things
just to get a good name and finally you will
be disappointed. follow it and you will enjoy
your work...
Posted by: Dan - 23 Aug, 2009
165: Hi Sital,
Yes, its the situation in all the companies. you know there is no written policy in the companies to harash people. So you can not hold any company accountable. It is the top management who are responsible to ensure proper working environment and prevent harassment are accountable.
There are all laws, but the law is not preventing the harassment. Because the execution is not happening.
The reason is no one has fought it yet. Can a chap who has just got harassed can fight it till the end against powerful corporate lawyers?, NO.
What is the solution? Take the example of SATYAM. One CEO went behind bar. The next thing all corporate fixed their corporate governance.
Who will fight it? We ALL AS ONE (Association). Taking one case of harassment, Where we will win in the court, And accountability can be set on one top management to be punish. Taking it to the court of law And fight it tooth and nail to the end.
Against whom we are fighting? Powerful corporate lawyers. And Political connection. Remember they pay hefty money to many political parties. So don't expect to much favor from politics.
But once we win The thing will change for ever. Everyone will get courage to fight against harassment. And the top management give high priority to prevent harassment. Otherwise they will be behind bars. (Everyone fear punishment)
-Should we FIGHT OR NOT-
We can always wait to see if things getting better automatically by gods grace. Till then spend more painful moments. Anyway, we have only one life.
Choice is YOURS
Yes, its the situation in all the companies. you know there is no written policy in the companies to harash people. So you can not hold any company accountable. It is the top management who are responsible to ensure proper working environment and prevent harassment are accountable.
There are all laws, but the law is not preventing the harassment. Because the execution is not happening.
The reason is no one has fought it yet. Can a chap who has just got harassed can fight it till the end against powerful corporate lawyers?, NO.
What is the solution? Take the example of SATYAM. One CEO went behind bar. The next thing all corporate fixed their corporate governance.
Who will fight it? We ALL AS ONE (Association). Taking one case of harassment, Where we will win in the court, And accountability can be set on one top management to be punish. Taking it to the court of law And fight it tooth and nail to the end.
Against whom we are fighting? Powerful corporate lawyers. And Political connection. Remember they pay hefty money to many political parties. So don't expect to much favor from politics.
But once we win The thing will change for ever. Everyone will get courage to fight against harassment. And the top management give high priority to prevent harassment. Otherwise they will be behind bars. (Everyone fear punishment)
-Should we FIGHT OR NOT-
We can always wait to see if things getting better automatically by gods grace. Till then spend more painful moments. Anyway, we have only one life.
Choice is YOURS
Posted by: Smruti Ranjan - 23 Aug, 2009
166:I have read nearly all the posts.Posting a
comment is not going to help.If we really
want to do something...highlight Ram's issue
and the best way will be Media and then only
top management people can be questioned.
If someone is having any contact in any good new channel..pls help Ram.Escalate this so that all people can be atleast made aware of.Rest will follow by itself.
If someone is having any contact in any good new channel..pls help Ram.Escalate this so that all people can be atleast made aware of.Rest will follow by itself.
Abhishek replied to: Smruti Ranjan
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
167:It does not matter wheather justice is done
or not, but raising voice is our
responsibility and we should not back on
this.
Do the right thing. Truth knows how to protect itself.
Do the right thing. Truth knows how to protect itself.
BRK replied to: Smruti Ranjan
post - 23 Aug, 2009
post - 23 Aug, 2009
168:yes i will fight to gether
ashish replied to: Smruti Ranjan
post - 23 Aug, 2009
post - 23 Aug, 2009
169: It's time "Wipro" was "WipedOut". The entire
organization depends on opportunities from
the US. So no wonder 8000 employees were laid
off. At Credit Suise they are ruling the
roost by not allowing any other software
and/or resource vendors to apply for business
with Credit Suise. t's time for them to go
and energies are already under way to ensure
that happens. No individual or organization
can work in a foreign land by imposing their
rules on the country's citizens. This has
nothing to do with free enterprise and
everything to do with government sponsored
monopoly. They are trying to idnetify the US
Senator responsible for making Wipro what it
is.
Posted by: Opinion - 23 Aug, 2009
170: well...a lot has been written about IT,
specially Wipro, with all kind of words.
Just few questions to u pals....
Did you ever tried to fight back against the system.....
Why do you think that you should listen to what ur managers / HR is saying.
Just treat them as another employee of the same organization.. they r just doing their job to save their ass.. nothing more than that.
Just fight back.. and see how the table turns around. The only thing that u need to believe in urself.
Just few questions to u pals....
Did you ever tried to fight back against the system.....
Why do you think that you should listen to what ur managers / HR is saying.
Just treat them as another employee of the same organization.. they r just doing their job to save their ass.. nothing more than that.
Just fight back.. and see how the table turns around. The only thing that u need to believe in urself.
Posted by: Daniel - 23 Aug, 2009
172: Infosys is best company in this regard, I am
currently working as system engineer in
INFOSYS, and even after recession company
never put any pressure over me.
I am very Happy to work for such an company.
I am very Happy to work for such an company.
Posted by: khetesh - 23 Aug, 2009
173:In current situation, IBM is the only company
with more employee security and not play
games with employee life like WIPRO doing.. I
agree Infosys, Oracle and a few companies
like IBM are best places to work.. I have
been with IBM from past 5 yrs..but I never
see these kind of stupid culture or workforce
like in Wipro.. please don't attend
interviews in WIPRO.. instead try for a
non-IT job..unnecessary mental torture in
your life..
IBMer replied to: khetesh
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
174:Infy Ex-CEO advised not to love organisation.
Love your work
ITO replied to: khetesh
post - 25 Aug, 2009
post - 25 Aug, 2009
175: Guys..not forget some bullshit company where
HR and Managers are first but they yell
"Employee first"...WElcome to HCL...crap
ploicy and crap Bossess
Posted by: Rahul - 23 Aug, 2009
176: I have worked in Wipro for nearly 2 and half
years.There are no ethics in the company.
Sychophancy prevails in the company.Wipro's
HR policies are just bullshit. Policies are
made in a way to trouble the employees as
much as possible. There are many baseless and
wierd kind of policies in the company. While
working in the Wipro, i tried fighting
against these policies. Wrote to HRs, talked
to them, talked to the managers, but zero end
result. Infact in many cases my matter was
escalated to higher management, but i dint
leave my stance. Notwithstanding many
discussions and arguments nothing happened.
What i observed in the company was managers and HRs always each others side, no matter even if they are wrong. Who gets screwed is none but a common employee.
I know there are many wiproites who have commented on this forum. I want to ask them, have they ever raised their voices against the ever increasing Wipro's bus charges. I had on many instances, but everytime one or the other excuse.
Whatever policies are made in Wipro benefits only the company and its profits. Policies like "there are no shades of grey in the company, its either black or white", "Spirit of Wipro", "Integrity issues" become null and void when they are in favour of the employees.
What i observed in the company was managers and HRs always each others side, no matter even if they are wrong. Who gets screwed is none but a common employee.
I know there are many wiproites who have commented on this forum. I want to ask them, have they ever raised their voices against the ever increasing Wipro's bus charges. I had on many instances, but everytime one or the other excuse.
Whatever policies are made in Wipro benefits only the company and its profits. Policies like "there are no shades of grey in the company, its either black or white", "Spirit of Wipro", "Integrity issues" become null and void when they are in favour of the employees.
Posted by: wiprosucks - 23 Aug, 2009
177:One way the company might charge for
transport. But for the ones located on
Sarjapur Road use public service(BIG 10)!
karthik raja replied to: wiprosucks
post - 23 Aug, 2009
post - 23 Aug, 2009
178: This could be a true incident. due to the
recession many company has treated their
employee with their ways.
Posted by: abc - 23 Aug, 2009
179: I am bit confused here, seems like someone is
spamming here.
Okay Guys The Sarangi, Lisa, SMRITI, SURABH are all same person? .. may be Sunil, and Pramod too…
Its all a freak show…
Okay Guys The Sarangi, Lisa, SMRITI, SURABH are all same person? .. may be Sunil, and Pramod too…
Its all a freak show…
Posted by: Venkatesh - 23 Aug, 2009
180:I agree all these are either one, or together
creating a show.
Hay Sarangi, Lisa , Sourabh, Smruti , Sunil, Prathap whatever your real name take your spiritual crap out of here.
Hay Sarangi, Lisa , Sourabh, Smruti , Sunil, Prathap whatever your real name take your spiritual crap out of here.
Jijo replied to: Venkatesh
post - 23 Aug, 2009
post - 23 Aug, 2009
181: Boss , this is not spiritual scrap as yoiu
mentioned...This IS A REAL PROBLEM THAT WE
ARE FACING IN OUR LIVES BECAUSE OF IT
industry.So please understand our pulse too.I
was ok and happy just like others before
jopining INfy.
Prathap
Prathap
prathap replied to: Jijo
post - 24 Aug, 2009
post - 24 Aug, 2009
182: Sorry friends for the confusion.
I am different from LISA and the others but i just for name sake used the ID as sarangi.
We had work today and in our spare time we were going thru the comments and many of us had posted true incidents happening here. Please understand that we too are not enjoying while posting bad about our company, who so ever has posted comments has done it here to express his grief and dismay.
Its then that we noticed that this stupid LISA (or whoever) was replying to every other post with his sick comments telling every one to join him with an email ID sarangi.sr@gmail.com . he was putting a pun on others by saying yes we agree with you etc.
This got me worked out and hence i wanted to settle this.
Hope he wont spam here any more.
I am different from LISA and the others but i just for name sake used the ID as sarangi.
We had work today and in our spare time we were going thru the comments and many of us had posted true incidents happening here. Please understand that we too are not enjoying while posting bad about our company, who so ever has posted comments has done it here to express his grief and dismay.
Its then that we noticed that this stupid LISA (or whoever) was replying to every other post with his sick comments telling every one to join him with an email ID sarangi.sr@gmail.com . he was putting a pun on others by saying yes we agree with you etc.
This got me worked out and hence i wanted to settle this.
Hope he wont spam here any more.
sarangi replied to: Jijo
post - 23 Aug, 2009
post - 23 Aug, 2009
183: why don't some senior people come together
and start a Cos which runs on cost basis
.Running on no profit basis . Surely down the
line they will get order as all the IT cos
are making a NET PROFIT of 30% which the
customer can save . And in future they will
think twice to sack employee on filmsy
grounds . If this concept clicks , If GOD
wishes .....This will ring the dead bell for
them. SURE this model will work as all the
sacked employee are having enough Exp( but
costly resource to Company.. Funny think )
Posted by: jags - 22 Aug, 2009
184: Wipro is very famous and notorious for this,
same thing happened with me. Thank god I left
India in 2002, now well settled USA drive
Merc Benz. Anyways I don’t have to
live under 55K/PA, drive 15 year old car/
share a car with my neighbour, sleep on
comforter on floor or walk in freezing cold
for working for India IT company in USA, wait
for my neighbour for shopping ride .Indian
IT companies are pimps just operate on
commission earned by sending people onsite
or making people work in offshore for 18
hours a day. All they know is sell for
cheap.
I have decided in my life I never work for any Indian IT companies like Wipro , INFY,TCS even if all the Job goes to India. Put Premji behind the bar for screwing up young IT professional career.
I have decided in my life I never work for any Indian IT companies like Wipro , INFY,TCS even if all the Job goes to India. Put Premji behind the bar for screwing up young IT professional career.
Posted by: Unknown - 22 Aug, 2009
185:hey man u r selfish... will learn only when u
r dash burns..
mots replied to: Unknown
post - 23 Aug, 2009
post - 23 Aug, 2009
186: REMEMBER ALWAYS YOU ARE THE PILLARS OF THE
COMPANY, WITHOUT YOU GUYS NO COMPANY NO
MANAGER NO CFO NO CEO OR CHAIRMAN, LOVE YOUR
JOB & NOT YOUR COMPANY, BE LOYAL TO WHAT
YOU ARE DOING. DEDICATE YOURSELF TO YOUR
SUCCESS AND NOT HIDE OUT FOR PROBLEMS.
Wishing you all a very successful career....
Wishing you all a very successful career....
Posted by: Sunil - 22 Aug, 2009
187: Dear All,
I don't want to more it longer. Very Short Msg but read it. You all guys know to track your credit record/ history the CIBIL is there wherein Banks will approach this centre to inquire about your before they could process your loan, credit Card and other facilities by financial institutions. Similarly NASSCOM is an org. which has lot of sub folder information containing about each of the member co. & these co. have right to provide any information about their employees, like BLACK LISTING THEM ETC. We all are just sleeping still. We are very active in speaking but nothing shown in action. Just pls don't use rotten words in the blog. If you guys once black listed once here in these org. by doing real mistake or getting in trap if you become a listed one then you can't do anything. Cos will check first their they will not ask you, FYI, this will be like pre-employment check without your knowledge. Hope all you guys go through your documentations when your joining formalities goes. You will have to sign a paper in which it will be said, you will give your employer to check your back status rights(remember it can be done anytime no time is specifically said when can when should not, hence beware of it. HRDs just do it normally with the employees previous employers or references given. As I've already mention these above said org. not in control of normal lay man's to fight for justice. If you want to file a case also in labor court it will take time and even if you will no employer will prefer to take you IN, coz you have created some negative history in your track pulling your employer or Xemployer to the court. No Companys would like to take a chance for this. Brothers & Sisters, I'm a Sr. Manager - HR working for a well built MNC, Im really pity to those who are easily getting trapped this kind of management's wicked play. At the end of the day no one of us can be there without each other. Please understand the situation, tomorrow you might be the one in the trap...so don't ignore if any good things are asked to do. You might think being a HR professional why this guy is guide you to form a organisation. Just simple, you alone cannot fight for justice, you need to have your fellow people to hold you strong to fight against a ORGANIZATION, remember, organisation is big, before they could hire you they will have well set up policies, with a well experienced nodal officer/lawyer to fight for this kind of issues. Unless you have a strong back hold you will not be able to do anything. Being a HR guy many times Ive come across people take offer and don't join or abscond. Tell what should I've to do, though I've a huge Network to black list or find where the person is work and give my feedback to his employer I just ignore coz if not today he will get butt burned tomorrow but it will be late for him to be realized. Sorry, if my words are harsh, here.... as Lisa said, Id strongly recommend you guys to form a ALL INDIA UNION for IT, ITES & Non IT employee welfare. Just think guys our great men are have their max part of contribution in developed countries standing status. If you guys can work hard in your home country without going out and fight for justice and be loyal... it will not take years for things change... but remember everyone should work sincerely and hard to this goal only then you can achieve with no long time span. I wish all the best to Lisa to succeed in bringing up this Union with a very strong team so that it will also provide just for employers and employees as a single point of contact to bring in truth to LIGHT. Thanks ladies and gentleman who have understood my communication, one last suggestion, those who have not understood this what I've told please read this again and again atleast 25 to 30 times you will understand the message. Because reading again and again will send message to your brain again to understand that particular work/matter to understand it more INDEPTH. Thanks
Wishing you all a very successful career and justice for everything.
Sunil
I don't want to more it longer. Very Short Msg but read it. You all guys know to track your credit record/ history the CIBIL is there wherein Banks will approach this centre to inquire about your before they could process your loan, credit Card and other facilities by financial institutions. Similarly NASSCOM is an org. which has lot of sub folder information containing about each of the member co. & these co. have right to provide any information about their employees, like BLACK LISTING THEM ETC. We all are just sleeping still. We are very active in speaking but nothing shown in action. Just pls don't use rotten words in the blog. If you guys once black listed once here in these org. by doing real mistake or getting in trap if you become a listed one then you can't do anything. Cos will check first their they will not ask you, FYI, this will be like pre-employment check without your knowledge. Hope all you guys go through your documentations when your joining formalities goes. You will have to sign a paper in which it will be said, you will give your employer to check your back status rights(remember it can be done anytime no time is specifically said when can when should not, hence beware of it. HRDs just do it normally with the employees previous employers or references given. As I've already mention these above said org. not in control of normal lay man's to fight for justice. If you want to file a case also in labor court it will take time and even if you will no employer will prefer to take you IN, coz you have created some negative history in your track pulling your employer or Xemployer to the court. No Companys would like to take a chance for this. Brothers & Sisters, I'm a Sr. Manager - HR working for a well built MNC, Im really pity to those who are easily getting trapped this kind of management's wicked play. At the end of the day no one of us can be there without each other. Please understand the situation, tomorrow you might be the one in the trap...so don't ignore if any good things are asked to do. You might think being a HR professional why this guy is guide you to form a organisation. Just simple, you alone cannot fight for justice, you need to have your fellow people to hold you strong to fight against a ORGANIZATION, remember, organisation is big, before they could hire you they will have well set up policies, with a well experienced nodal officer/lawyer to fight for this kind of issues. Unless you have a strong back hold you will not be able to do anything. Being a HR guy many times Ive come across people take offer and don't join or abscond. Tell what should I've to do, though I've a huge Network to black list or find where the person is work and give my feedback to his employer I just ignore coz if not today he will get butt burned tomorrow but it will be late for him to be realized. Sorry, if my words are harsh, here.... as Lisa said, Id strongly recommend you guys to form a ALL INDIA UNION for IT, ITES & Non IT employee welfare. Just think guys our great men are have their max part of contribution in developed countries standing status. If you guys can work hard in your home country without going out and fight for justice and be loyal... it will not take years for things change... but remember everyone should work sincerely and hard to this goal only then you can achieve with no long time span. I wish all the best to Lisa to succeed in bringing up this Union with a very strong team so that it will also provide just for employers and employees as a single point of contact to bring in truth to LIGHT. Thanks ladies and gentleman who have understood my communication, one last suggestion, those who have not understood this what I've told please read this again and again atleast 25 to 30 times you will understand the message. Because reading again and again will send message to your brain again to understand that particular work/matter to understand it more INDEPTH. Thanks
Wishing you all a very successful career and justice for everything.
Sunil
Posted by: Sunil - 22 Aug, 2009
188: Hi
This is really sad to hear how people have been fired. The companies should never forget that Workforce/Employees are their biggest assets and these kind of firings may put loyality of employees down, that results in downfall of productivity.
This is really sad to hear how people have been fired. The companies should never forget that Workforce/Employees are their biggest assets and these kind of firings may put loyality of employees down, that results in downfall of productivity.
Posted by: B.Ramakrishna - 22 Aug, 2009
189: HI guys,
This harassment is nothing new for me. If u hear the story of my harrassment u will get tears in your eyes. I was sacked from Infosys Bangalore in 2004 May .Along with the sacking the Project Manager also cast a magic spell on me(he knows a famous black magic technique called kshudhram) after calling me to his cabin. The HAPPY news is that I am still under this Black Magic Spell and the Project Manager(of Banking Business Unit) is still enjoying his life in the U.S. The funniest thing is I cant even go to the police as there is no legal validity for Black Magic guys I am so lucky now I have no other choice than committing suicide because this spell that is cast on me is so unbearable I can assure u that I am the saddest person in the whole world. Can u belive it THIS IS EXTREME HARASSMENT in a company that boasts to be the most employee friendly At least this employee who has been harassed does nt have to die
This harassment is nothing new for me. If u hear the story of my harrassment u will get tears in your eyes. I was sacked from Infosys Bangalore in 2004 May .Along with the sacking the Project Manager also cast a magic spell on me(he knows a famous black magic technique called kshudhram) after calling me to his cabin. The HAPPY news is that I am still under this Black Magic Spell and the Project Manager(of Banking Business Unit) is still enjoying his life in the U.S. The funniest thing is I cant even go to the police as there is no legal validity for Black Magic guys I am so lucky now I have no other choice than committing suicide because this spell that is cast on me is so unbearable I can assure u that I am the saddest person in the whole world. Can u belive it THIS IS EXTREME HARASSMENT in a company that boasts to be the most employee friendly At least this employee who has been harassed does nt have to die
Posted by: prathap chandran - 22 Aug, 2009
190: I know that the Managers are harassing
Engineers and asking them to quit. Even if
you are working hard they would try to sack,
because they want their job to be safe. There
should be a review committe which will deal
with such issues. Female employees threatning
male employees in the name of sexual
harassment has become very common in
Corporate world now. Those who are good for
nothing will remain in the company because
they are dear to bosses. Please kill this
"BOSS is GOD" and he is alway right culture
and recognize some one by their talent. Jago
India Jago
Posted by: Sanjeev - 22 Aug, 2009
191:Can i get support to lodge a complaint in
Bangalore? Becoz even the police are not
beli9eving what I was saying. So I need some
people to come with me and make the police
belive that I am being tortured
prathap replied to: Sanjeev
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
192:I FULLY agree with u Sanjeev. The managers
are prepared to do anything(including kill
the employees to defend their job)Check my
post ..I am about to die because of a
manager:(
prathap replied to: Sanjeev
post - 22 Aug, 2009
post - 22 Aug, 2009
193: Im quite surprised to know that WIPRO is an
unethical organisation.I had an oppty to join
them twice in my 10 years career and
fortunately I did not join them as i had
better opptys.Feels sad when some one like is
getting exploited and we cannot do anything
about it. The management should realise that
even once even they were team members and
grew upto where they are now and understand
the importance of the teams at the bottom
layer.
We can safely call these junkies BOBS ( Bunch of Bastards).
We can safely call these junkies BOBS ( Bunch of Bastards).
Posted by: Vi cky - 22 Aug, 2009
194: Hi, these things happened with most of
employee of indian IT companies. It really
very shame for us.
Posted by: Bhanu Pratap - 22 Aug, 2009
195: Most Indian IT companies work this way, and
ive seen this first hand. A lot of people
cannot handle the authority of management
position and abuse it. Professionalism is
unheard of in a lot of cases. The
manager-employee relationship reminds me of a
teacher-student relationship in school.
Sucks.
Posted by: sharat - 22 Aug, 2009
196: Mr KRISHNA KUMAR
The citizens of India are not slaves. All IT companies are operatin in this country and has to follow the roule of the land. In the name of profit exploitation is an very old practice. In addition, the consequences of that can be terrifying for top management.
Employment lay has some strict rules. Any company in violation to that can be subjected to legal action.
In which authority are you talking? Are you representing any particular Organization here. In addition, what post are you holding? Is it your Organizations policy that you are talking about OR these are your personal opinions?
Whatever the incident that has been narrated is Extermly unethical. And clear violation of the law of the land. And a clear case of exploitation.
This fight is in open already and I am taking this matter personally for the benefit of entire IT and ITES employees of India. My Name is Smruti Ranjan Sarangi, and email ID is sarangi.sr@gmail.com.
I hope you will disclose your identity.
Regards
The citizens of India are not slaves. All IT companies are operatin in this country and has to follow the roule of the land. In the name of profit exploitation is an very old practice. In addition, the consequences of that can be terrifying for top management.
Employment lay has some strict rules. Any company in violation to that can be subjected to legal action.
In which authority are you talking? Are you representing any particular Organization here. In addition, what post are you holding? Is it your Organizations policy that you are talking about OR these are your personal opinions?
Whatever the incident that has been narrated is Extermly unethical. And clear violation of the law of the land. And a clear case of exploitation.
This fight is in open already and I am taking this matter personally for the benefit of entire IT and ITES employees of India. My Name is Smruti Ranjan Sarangi, and email ID is sarangi.sr@gmail.com.
I hope you will disclose your identity.
Regards
Posted by: Mr Smruti - 22 Aug, 2009
197: I know of many Wipro employees both ex. &
current who have and having suffering from
bad and worth management profiles...one of my
good friend had to leave wipro after working
with them for four year she is suffering from
severe migrani due to extermely bad treatment
by her project management.
Mr. Azim Premji should stop his greed of earning billions of $ and look after the welfare of his staff. no wonder he is loosing money on his other investments like Subhiksha... Wake up Premji and let Prem (love) flow in your company. treat your human resources better or else you will lose your worth
Mr. Azim Premji should stop his greed of earning billions of $ and look after the welfare of his staff. no wonder he is loosing money on his other investments like Subhiksha... Wake up Premji and let Prem (love) flow in your company. treat your human resources better or else you will lose your worth
Posted by: Shukanto Sengupta - 22 Aug, 2009
198: Wipro done wrong with there employees, Even
all the companies are treating like this. One
Samsung Employee (Ranchi Branch)also commit
sucide as their Seniors pressurised him. God
knows when it will stop,
Posted by: KAMAL - 22 Aug, 2009
199: Yes I agree with Ram Manohar, wipro is worst
company and they always do that.Even though
you have server for more than 4 yrs they
always do that.pls dont join wipro and wipro
should come to roads very soon.wipro should
be blacklisted as all are frauds.
Posted by: anonymous - 22 Aug, 2009
200:Yes I agree, all Senior management of wipro
are frauds and should be thrown out of
company and wipro should be blacklisted and
should come to roads very soon.
anonymous replied to: anonymous
post - 22 Aug, 2009
post - 22 Aug, 2009
201: Well it is not a surprise at all that this
happened. Wipro is dominated by some arrogant
women who think they are great and the top
management bow down to them you know why.
Well i am also a fateful guy of a similar
incident but not from Wipro i worked there
for 2 years day in and day out they ensured i
worked there even when the entire company was
having a blast at megha bowl made sure i man
the entire peration i had pneumonia and still
they made me work i was on the verges of
death and when the doctors who visited the
campus after i fell unconscious asked the
management to shift me to a hospital
immediately and the worst after the admitted
that was the last they dint even bother to
turn back and see and nor did they provide me
a medical insurance i had to bare the entire
expense and finally when i was back they
harrassed me of all nonsense and also
deducted my salary and finally one day asked
me to quit and my 4 months salary pending and
a Rs 1,00,000 which is gone in the winds.
Thanks to Ram Manohar G that he did not go
through this and now i am in a state that i
will never get a job anymore coz every time a
company enquires about me the HR has
different stories to say things like i stole
a computer and left, i used to steel petrol
from bikes so they sacked me and things like
that i have a valid releaving letter and also
a good track record with the peers. I was
heading the entire sales, retention and
custmer service.... Simple just do not be too
lyal to any bloody company
Posted by: God - 22 Aug, 2009
202: Even one of my friend in Ness Technologies
working at Hyderabad region has been
terminated without any prior information i.e
within 20 minutes without any reason.She was
forced to leave the company.Now that person
on roads.As she is the only earning person of
her family.No notice nothing.After working
for more than a year this is reward she got
from the company.why Indian govt nor any
leaders take nay action to control such a
cruel activites.Ness has no right to play
with her emotions.She is really struggling a
lot.All are dependents on her...Even Ness
known for its policies but they never
implement anything juat imagine withing 20
minutes thye sacked a female employee wihtout
any courtesy..no value at all for the
employess working in Ness Tecnologies at
Hyderabad centre....Really very worst
situation.even now she did,nt came out from
that shock she is numbless after that
incident.Her manager treated her like a
Donkey not like a human being..Tourched her
like anything.All these days she really
struggled in that company.Because of her
financial diffulties she patiently managed
everyhting.Beause her family depends on her
only.Finally she was for force to resign
within 20 minutes no justice at all
Posted by: Anonymous - 22 Aug, 2009
203: I am giving an idea to ex-employees who got
hurt because of this company openup blogs and
explore your bad experiences that you have
got in wipro.
Every individual of our country should know about this company.Every one should throw shit on wipro.
Every individual of our country should know about this company.Every one should throw shit on wipro.
Posted by: Anonymous - 22 Aug, 2009
204: sorry morals like we should not hurt others
and take care of others
Posted by: Anonymous - 22 Aug, 2009
205: Wipro is a worst company,if our Indian GOVT.
did not take any action then our nation fame
will be ruined.Wipro should follow some
morals like INFOSYS AND SATYAM because they
will do their business very genuinely and
they explain to media about the
happenings.But this worst wipro doesn't
follow any rules and regulations.wipro should
be banned,because the products prepared by
them are also worst.
Azim Premji is also a fraud he done business upto now.He purchased subhiksha and blaming them that they did't told about their losses.Before purchasing any product we will see the pros and cons of a product.This gives us info that Azim premji is not having any knowledge about life and doesn't care for the people.If any person met with an accident we will help him a lot even he is a stranger,but in wipro it is quiet opposite.They laid off sorry harrased and made them to resign about 8000 people.
So,My sincere request to Govt. of india is dismiss wipro from our country.Then half of our country will develop.By seeing this company other companies will learn morals that we should spoil and hurt others.
Becareful freshers don't risk to join wipro.
Azim Premji is also a fraud he done business upto now.He purchased subhiksha and blaming them that they did't told about their losses.Before purchasing any product we will see the pros and cons of a product.This gives us info that Azim premji is not having any knowledge about life and doesn't care for the people.If any person met with an accident we will help him a lot even he is a stranger,but in wipro it is quiet opposite.They laid off sorry harrased and made them to resign about 8000 people.
So,My sincere request to Govt. of india is dismiss wipro from our country.Then half of our country will develop.By seeing this company other companies will learn morals that we should spoil and hurt others.
Becareful freshers don't risk to join wipro.
Posted by: Anonymous - 22 Aug, 2009
206: All indian IT Companies should be made to
sign a bond with Govt of India that they will
take care of employment of an each employee
and will not fire them .also they will
recruit only those number of employee that
are required by them .This should be made
mandatory for all employers to work in india
and do the business.TCS is very bad company
.They fire employee with no reason. one of my
friend was asked to resign he was with TCS
for 4 yrs now his father has bypass surgery
and he need financial support. After paying
for Health insurance for 4 yrs when he need
financial support TCS is doing such thing.but
HR doesnt listem to him and asked him to
resign.In IT TCS is known for polcies But all
that are bullshit.they give only one week to
employee
Posted by: anonymous - 22 Aug, 2009
207: 'Always love your job but never fall in with
company b'coz u don't know when company will
stops loving you' so no problem when ever you
are working on any project calculate your
time of work 45 hrs in a week and that's all
if work done for more then 45 rhs.collect
additional amount for all those time. and if
any colleague working more then 45 hrs. in a
week without any work requirement then you
people decide what to do with that guy. Top
management people are not doing any work and
getting good salaries so they are bound to
remove associates to prove that they are
thinking about company and saving company's
revenue.
Posted by: Employee team - 22 Aug, 2009
208:Hi,I work in a non-IT MNC,but service
industry,where a more or less similar
exchangeable manpower system works.But of
course with a 54 hr week(minimum and max is
72!).No extra payment anytime when we are
called "to lend a helping hand".Rot!Always
the reason given is there is less manpower
and everyone is doing it,need more revenue
turnover,cost control,others are waiting in
the line if you dont want the job,etc.But Sr.
Branch Manager is very different.He says the
same thing as u've said above.He himself says
having a boss like him who cares for
everyone,from the washer boy,to the manager
below him's welfare and career growth is very
rare.Really chewable thoughts you have
written.
Tanuja replied to: Employee team
post - 23 Aug, 2009
post - 23 Aug, 2009
209: Hi..I m totally Agree with this.. i m also
working in non IT field but the thing is we
were working more then 10 hours in a day. its
all for recession. and also as i heard its
all common timing for accounts guys. by god
grace we got 4.5 per cent hike on our basic.
Regrds,
Bhat.
Regrds,
Bhat.
Bhat replied to: Tanuja
post - 29 Aug, 2009
post - 29 Aug, 2009
210: Will Mr Azim H.Premji apply his thoughts
towards this employee issue and take
necessary action? I believe that he will
realize that such issues can spoil the hard
work given by his Father and himself to bring
this company up.
Posted by: Anony - 22 Aug, 2009
211: Wipro is an idiot Company,where the company
doesn't have any product they ill go back of
other MNC for service project and employee is
treated like an animal.
Posted by: Gautham - 22 Aug, 2009
212: Let's face it from a different perspective:
Layoffs are taboo in India. Although our
economy is busy aping the west, as far as
employee practices go, employers DONOT want
to recruit people who are laid off!
The immediate implication, therefore, is that it appears to be more 'preferable' to say that the employee quit, rather than saying that he was fired. And the reason is that our market is a capitalist market (a buyer's market) as far as HR goes. So, the supply is high enough to ensure that 'sacked' employees remain an outlier.
In the US, laying off is common. In Europe, the taboo is similar to what it is in India. So, in the US, getting a job thereafter is not a big issue. In Europe, however, the choices are limited. In India, the choices are even more limited.
I agree that companies should not do that. But, the capitalist wave that is coming into India needs us to face certain realities... One of which is the fact that such companies traditionally, have promoted the 'hire and fire' model. So, this is going to increase in the coming years. As individuals, we need to ensure that this phenomenon should not damage our ambitions and development.
Having a union is probably not going to help soon. The main reason is that unions are lagging behind, in their development, in the IT sector. So, with this scenario, it will be difficult to really 'catch-up'. But eventually, it would. The advantage of the union would be a negotiated solution that is more 'professionally' implemented. Typically, people who would be fired, would be on a list that is cleared by the union. What next? The reality at the individual would remain.
Corporate malpractices like the signing of blank sheets, is a criminal offense. And criminal offenses must not go unpunished (whichever the party is). A developed union could work well to avoid such situations. But, like I said, it is yet to develop. As of now, employees facing this type of situations must come forward and protest. They need to use the media and, we readers must be conscious about this when we recruit next time. So that, we do not make a false assessment of the candidates concerned.
The immediate implication, therefore, is that it appears to be more 'preferable' to say that the employee quit, rather than saying that he was fired. And the reason is that our market is a capitalist market (a buyer's market) as far as HR goes. So, the supply is high enough to ensure that 'sacked' employees remain an outlier.
In the US, laying off is common. In Europe, the taboo is similar to what it is in India. So, in the US, getting a job thereafter is not a big issue. In Europe, however, the choices are limited. In India, the choices are even more limited.
I agree that companies should not do that. But, the capitalist wave that is coming into India needs us to face certain realities... One of which is the fact that such companies traditionally, have promoted the 'hire and fire' model. So, this is going to increase in the coming years. As individuals, we need to ensure that this phenomenon should not damage our ambitions and development.
Having a union is probably not going to help soon. The main reason is that unions are lagging behind, in their development, in the IT sector. So, with this scenario, it will be difficult to really 'catch-up'. But eventually, it would. The advantage of the union would be a negotiated solution that is more 'professionally' implemented. Typically, people who would be fired, would be on a list that is cleared by the union. What next? The reality at the individual would remain.
Corporate malpractices like the signing of blank sheets, is a criminal offense. And criminal offenses must not go unpunished (whichever the party is). A developed union could work well to avoid such situations. But, like I said, it is yet to develop. As of now, employees facing this type of situations must come forward and protest. They need to use the media and, we readers must be conscious about this when we recruit next time. So that, we do not make a false assessment of the candidates concerned.
Posted by: Nikhil Gurjar - 22 Aug, 2009
213: this is so true .... i have seen this,
believe me, they have no care for employee.
If you dont believe, google the term "enrich
programme wipro " and then you will know it.
One thing is for sure.....its cutting its own
legs and making the grave ready ..........I
guess Azim bhai doesnt know all this, he has
to deal only with money...........
God please help those guys ....
God please help those guys ....
Posted by: chinmay - 22 Aug, 2009
214: The same kind of incident happend with
Cognizant, Bangalore. Instead of removing
guys in bulk, the HR persons are daily
targeting 10-12 persons so that their the
company name won't appear in laying off. They
are making pressure to employees for quitting
company without any reason. When asking for
reason they are informing "Company is in very
bad situation and not having further
projects". While in market they are creating
impression that we had never laid off any
employee & saying that still we are
recruiting.
Posted by: Pankaj - 22 Aug, 2009
215: wipro may be one of the worst companies, tech
mahindra is no far behind , they have sacked
hundreds of employees and a similiar incident
has happened to me , they asked me not to
come to office and they are not settling my
dues, i do not know what to do and how to
approach law about it, i require some help in
this regards. If this happens to a 20 year
experienced pro i do not knwo the the plight
of others
Posted by: kjr1 - 22 Aug, 2009
216:IT COMPANIES ARE NOT HERE FOR CHARITY. IN THE
PRESENT TIMES OF RECESSION IT IS QUITE
OBVIOUS THAT THEY WILL IMPLEMENT SOME
STRICTNESS. THE SITUATION HAS FORCED THEM TO
SACK SO MANY EMPLOYEES AND TAKE OTHER HARSH
STEPS. THE HR PERSONNEL ARE UNDER TREMENDOUS
PRESSURE.IT IS VERY SAD TO KNOW WHAT EVER HAS
HAPPENED TO MR.Ram Manohar G. BUT THIS MAY BE
SOME SPECIAL CASE. IT COMPANIES HAVE PROVIDED
EMPLOYMENT TO SO MANY PEOPLE, EVER THOUGHT
HOW MANY OF THEM DO THEIR DUTY SINCERELY.
UNDER PERFORMERS WILL HAVE TO SEE THE EXIT
DOORS IN THE PRESENT SITUATION. THE COMPANY
WON'T PAY HIGH SALARIES TO THE UNDER
PERFORMERS. YOU HAVE TO BE THE BEST AND
SHOULD JUSTIFY YOUR POSITION AND SALARY. YOU
HAVE TO BE A WORTHY ASSET FOR THE COMPANY OR
ELSE EXIT DOORS ARE WIDE OPEN FOR YOU.
I AM ALSO A RECRUIT OF WIPRO TECHNOLOGIES AND WAS HURT TO SEE THE COMMENTS POSTED HERE. I HAVE MY SINIORS WORKING IN THE COMPANY WHO HAVE HAD GOOD EXPERIENCE WORKING IN THE COMPANY. EVEN IN THE TIME OF RECESSION ONE OF MY SENIOR, WHO JOINED LAST YEAR, GRADUATION YEAR 2008, FROM AN NIT, SAID HE HAD A SATISFACTORY EXPERIENCE THERE. THE EXPERIENCE WAS COMPARABLE TO ANY OF THE OTHER IT COMPANIES. HE HAD TO FACE A TOUGH TIME INITIALLY BUT NOW HE GOT A PROJECT AND IS HAPPILY WORKING ON IT. WE SHOULD NOT FORGET WIPRO IS INDIA'S 3RD LARGEST MNC.
DO YOUR DUTY TRULY AND THEN YOU WILL DEFINITELY FIND YOUR SELF IN A GOOD POSITION. AND REMEMBER YOU WON'T BE PAID FOR DOING NOTHING.
I AM ALSO A RECRUIT OF WIPRO TECHNOLOGIES AND WAS HURT TO SEE THE COMMENTS POSTED HERE. I HAVE MY SINIORS WORKING IN THE COMPANY WHO HAVE HAD GOOD EXPERIENCE WORKING IN THE COMPANY. EVEN IN THE TIME OF RECESSION ONE OF MY SENIOR, WHO JOINED LAST YEAR, GRADUATION YEAR 2008, FROM AN NIT, SAID HE HAD A SATISFACTORY EXPERIENCE THERE. THE EXPERIENCE WAS COMPARABLE TO ANY OF THE OTHER IT COMPANIES. HE HAD TO FACE A TOUGH TIME INITIALLY BUT NOW HE GOT A PROJECT AND IS HAPPILY WORKING ON IT. WE SHOULD NOT FORGET WIPRO IS INDIA'S 3RD LARGEST MNC.
DO YOUR DUTY TRULY AND THEN YOU WILL DEFINITELY FIND YOUR SELF IN A GOOD POSITION. AND REMEMBER YOU WON'T BE PAID FOR DOING NOTHING.
KRISHNA KUMAR replied to: kjr1
post - 22 Aug, 2009
post - 22 Aug, 2009
217: Also during my tenure in WIpro, i have seen
people getting paid for doing nothing.
wiprosucks replied to: KRISHNA KUMAR
post - 23 Aug, 2009
post - 23 Aug, 2009
218: Many of the people who have posted their
comments are from Wipro and they know what is
the true face of Wipro. Being the 3rd largest
IT company, doesn't prove anything. I have
seen how managers flatter the clients. In
Wipro, to become a manager and bring
business, person has to be a sychophant,
apart from being skilled. Isn't it the slogan
of Wipro that "Client is god, no matter if it
is wrong." I was told this on my 1st day in
Wipro. Wipro sells its ethics in exchange of
money.
wiprosucks replied to: KRISHNA KUMAR
post - 23 Aug, 2009
post - 23 Aug, 2009
219:Have you consulted the lawyer nearest to your
home?
kjr1 I pity you. With 20 yrs exp you can’t stand for your rights? That’s strange:(
Are you married do you have children?
kjr1 I pity you. With 20 yrs exp you can’t stand for your rights? That’s strange:(
Are you married do you have children?
Lisa replied to: kjr1
post - 22 Aug, 2009
post - 22 Aug, 2009
220: hi Lisa, I am trying for a job and I have
shown the period as a gap as independent
consulting, Yes I am married , the sole
earning member of the family and having two
children, I have not gone to any lawyer as
the Tech M guys forced me to write one
resignation letter and took my I card,
Since I am in the process of getting a job, I have been writing mails to them but to no avail.
I do not knwo how to proceed further.
Since I am in the process of getting a job, I have been writing mails to them but to no avail.
I do not knwo how to proceed further.
kjr1 replied to: Lisa
post - 23 Aug, 2009
post - 23 Aug, 2009
222: Out of 15 years I have worked half the time
in manufacturing and half in IT. I have seen
similar things happening in manufacturing
after 1996 recession. The things has not
changed much till date. I have seen senior
managers using abusive language for their
subordinates but because manufacturing is
saturated sector and once you are out very
less chances of re-employment. They take
advantages. The IT is also going through the
same phase recesion and then saturation. The
good days in the sector are almost over.
Businesses all over the world are run for
busisness. Profit is the foremost and sole
purpose. The humanity angle which people has
seen in IT for some years is all deceiving.
In manpower crisis period companies put a
deceiving mask of good humanae, so that they
can attract people. When people become in
abundance, they put off the mask and show the
real face, which you see now. As the IT
sector reaches to it's maturity, all big
Lalas will have agreement not to hire from
one anothr's company. This will make changing
job tougher and better chance for employers
to take advantage. There is companies worse
than wipro like Sapient. They will fire
people and immediately go for hiring. This is
totally against law. But in this country and
elsewhere money matters and these
industrialists have money and they buy
governments. If anyone of you find time just
go through a book called " Rich dad and the
poor dad". This explains the whole evil
designs of the business people and how a
common citizen's life is used by these
people. Many of seems to be either youngsters
or have not seen manufacturing sector.
Harrassment is the fact of life there for
years. During 1990-94 companies used to look
heaven but turned into hell by 1996 till
date. The only solution is the union. IT
people must have union. Only this can give
them power to offset money effect.
Posted by: Aryan - 22 Aug, 2009
223: What Lisa,you seems to do a perfect job of
devil's advocate?I'm really amazed to see
extreme responses specially by Mr Ram
throwing Acid n all.Please mind it this forum
is to express your views not your hatred.
Posted by: shubs - 22 Aug, 2009
224: I too faced problem like rejecting after
being selected & given the joining date
in Wipro Chennai, when I called up HR people
they told your profile is not matching my
parents felt very bad this is the worst case
I have met in Life the HR people are fit for
nothing especially lady HR. They come only to
have fun & take maternity leaves after
some days.
Posted by: vikas - 22 Aug, 2009
225:All these HR people are useless.They have no
other job other than removing few &
recruting new.They are least concerned about
the employee welfare in real terms.Under the
name of performance Management which is
always subjective,they tries to fool the
management to save their jobs.Removing an
employee under the name
recession,meltdown,ect is all bullsheet as
all these compenies are making hefty profits
& the employee cost is only a merge
percentage of their total turnover and hardly
affect their profits.This is a bad practice
started by Indian companies recently taken
from the west without adopting the good like
social security,medical care,ect.Will they
remove their old father & mother just
bacause they are not productive & could
not earn anymore.
Remember,the people who are talking about the performance,age,output also have to face the same problem when they bacame 45/50+.Atleast the situation today is better but is going to be worst in near future which these new bread of Management doesn't understand.They should understand that experience counts in the time of trouble.
Remember,the people who are talking about the performance,age,output also have to face the same problem when they bacame 45/50+.Atleast the situation today is better but is going to be worst in near future which these new bread of Management doesn't understand.They should understand that experience counts in the time of trouble.
Vasant replied to: vikas
post - 22 Aug, 2009
post - 22 Aug, 2009
226: This is mere bullshit, its crystal clear that
the employee couldnt accept the reality ,
it's like not beleiving that u r laid off
& u wanna put the blaim on such good
company who cares for their employees. M damn
sure this guy doesnt understands the
importance of proffessionalism or else he
wouldnt have disclosed name of Wipro
employees in public. Dude plz accept the
reality or else this is what u deserve
.
.
Posted by: Harry - 22 Aug, 2009
227:Gud work Harry !
Keep doing this,and one day azim premji might promote u!
This is how u must have got into wipro ir watever ur company is ..by licking asses. : )
Keep doing this,and one day azim premji might promote u!
This is how u must have got into wipro ir watever ur company is ..by licking asses. : )
utsav replied to: Harry
post - 22 Aug, 2009
post - 22 Aug, 2009
228:Is harry azim's mother.....
did u *uck her
did u *uck her
Anonymous replied to: Harry
post - 22 Aug, 2009
post - 22 Aug, 2009
229: My dear Wipro guys in this recession
time,this is too much.Just try to understand
the situations of employees also.Guys if you
are supporting and promoting HR for these
kind of stupid things,remember, your
Company's image will lose.
Posted by: Raj - 22 Aug, 2009
230:There is nothing to loose for WIPRO now as
they have already lost their employee's
trust.
I agree to another members comment that since WIPRO is loosing the employee's trust it will soon Fall big time.
I agree to another members comment that since WIPRO is loosing the employee's trust it will soon Fall big time.
Naren replied to: Raj
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
231:The inhuman acts cannot be brushed up in the
name of professionalism. Let us understand
that the companies are operating in this
country and using the resource of this
country. They have to abide by the rule of
the land and have to operate within the
boundary of this. No company can operate or
make profit by exploiting the citizen of a
country for profit. No one has right to
exploit even one employ to make profit. Who
is making profit if an employ is harashed?
In the rat race, we all have forgotten what acceptable behavior is. And we have forgotten how to teach that to a big organization. Assuming that we are too small to stand up.
In the rat race, we all have forgotten what acceptable behavior is. And we have forgotten how to teach that to a big organization. Assuming that we are too small to stand up.
Mr. Smruti replied to: Raj
post - 22 Aug, 2009
post - 22 Aug, 2009
232: To all employees, please behave
professionally not as KG childrens. Shame on
u...
Posted by: adithya - 22 Aug, 2009
233:I think most of WIPRO Management will be busy
answering the forums using fake names.
WIPRO => Wish I Promote Rural Orthodox practices
WIPRO => Wish I Promote Rural Orthodox practices
Animesh replied to: adithya
post - 22 Aug, 2009
post - 22 Aug, 2009
235: Seniors have to give good direction to
juniors to lead good life but in this
way...The seniors have to resign...
adithya replied to: adithya
post - 22 Aug, 2009
post - 22 Aug, 2009
236: please read the comment by Ram Narayan. He
says lot of truth.
suresh balachandra replied to: adithya
post - 22 Aug, 2009
post - 22 Aug, 2009
237: Every word spoken by the guy sounds true.
Since I being Wiproite know all that. Its
almost a daily activity in Wipro. The moment
a person comes in free pool, they hand over
Enrich letter to him/her. This sound like
Wipro is only thinking to work on contracting
and no permanent employment. If Wipro
management is not able to get the person on
project, it meand Wipro hasn't got any job to
do, it means Wipro will soon be ending its
story in the IT market. There is no
appreciation of the person's effort being put
on last assignment and billability period.
There is no value to loyality by staying and
working the same company.
Azimji need to think that, this time they are touching a very sensitive issue of the people who work in the company, their finance, their personal life. No one would wait to get paid in 1/2 salary and continue in Wipro. This person would also not come back in future.
I think, its a advice to all those who are thinking to get a job in Wipro that, please search somewhere else, since after coming here you will have to face other challenges which are worst that searching a job.
Thanks.
Azimji need to think that, this time they are touching a very sensitive issue of the people who work in the company, their finance, their personal life. No one would wait to get paid in 1/2 salary and continue in Wipro. This person would also not come back in future.
I think, its a advice to all those who are thinking to get a job in Wipro that, please search somewhere else, since after coming here you will have to face other challenges which are worst that searching a job.
Thanks.
Posted by: Anonymous - 22 Aug, 2009
238: I am writing down the truth on what happened
at Wipro. Two events propelled wipro to this.
Not that wipro was better or an company with
ethics before these events. The first event
was the economic turmoil and global recession
that started last year. The second event was
when the Obama administration started
regulation of aliens employed by US
companies, visa regulations and taxes for
companies outsourcing jobs. Similar events
happened in UK to some degree as well. Now
the result of the first event the economic
recession was many US comapanies who were
outsourcing to Wipro cut down lot of
projects, downsized existing teams etc. Due
to which Wipro lost revenue, plus found lot
of people on the bench hence led to huge
profit margin and operation margin pressure.
In order to correct this they started a
campaign of laying off people in the name of
NI etc. They started schemes like "Rejoice"
and Rejevunate etc to cut down salary and
employee benefits etc. These were imposed as
hard objectives on individual unit HR's who
started the draconian campaign of making
employee's self resign etc to avoid making it
look like lay-offs. As they have a bad
reflection on companies image. Due to the
second event wipro wanted to appease the US
goverment, hence it suddenly started a
campaign of diversity at US and Europe to
show that they were not only bringing people
from India, but are recuriting local foreign
employee's as well. Since unlike Indians whom
they dont pay well at onsite if he is not at
a senior level. They pay local foreign
employee's well above average pay of Indians
in Employee's except for few. This again put
a cost pressure on Wipro. Hence this
accelerated the process of cutting cost and
hence sacking more people in India. The
problem with Wipro was that it was not honest
about what it was doing and trying to paint
an image of this being a normal process. They
also took advantage of the fact that Indian
labor regulations are very limited and there
are no protection for employee's as done in
US & Europe. There is nothing wrong in
laying off people to manage cost. But Wipro
should have done it in an Honest and
transparent manner. It was simply unethical
and misonduct by the company and it has
certainly left a bad taste on employee's.
Many are waiting for the right oppotunity to
leave the company. I agree wipro is the worst
company to work for.
Posted by: Ram Narayanan - 22 Aug, 2009
239:thanks ram narayanan for giving your views. I
agree that wipro has been dishonest and has
grossly abused its employee's
mehul shah replied to: Ram Narayanan
post - 22 Aug, 2009
post - 22 Aug, 2009
241: 100% I beleive this, Iam one of the vicitm of
wipro,In the recruitments of 2008 fresher AP
engineering candidates, one HR has done 25
crores scam with out knowing to 3rd eye, I
have attended campus drives as a tech
panel, to get proofs against to that HR ,they
have called me for the interragation and they
tortured me crually about 13hours and
forcebly they have taken the statements from
me and on the spot they terminated me. I have
done my job very strictly. Iam fighting for
my job since 2 years, still that hr case is
in court. This has happened on 31st May
2007,still I could not sleep properly I will
get good sleep in 3 cases one is my death
,second one is when I through ACID on to
rouge who tortured me crually ,third one is
when I get my wipro job .My wipro EMP ID is
131615
Posted by: Ram - 22 Aug, 2009
242:Hi Ram
Hats off to you ! and we are with u.
But how did they torture u?
Hats off to you ! and we are with u.
But how did they torture u?
utsav replied to: Ram
post - 22 Aug, 2009
post - 22 Aug, 2009
243: A TV company in Noida named Sudarshan TV has
sacked me for no reason and want not to pay
me my remuneration as was agreed by me and
the company's HR. It address is A 88, Sector
4, Noida (U.P.). I joined it on 15 June 2009
as Coordinator. But was sacked on 15 July
2009. My salary was fixed as Rs. 8000/- per
month. But & am being offered only Rs.
1000 for the period of 1 July to 15 July. The
salary is not paid upto date according to
Labour Law. I complained this matter to the
President of India, and many ministers but no
one is helping me in providing my genuine
salary. Phone no. of HR is 09990001968
(Noida, India).
Posted by: Anil Kumar Singh - 22 Aug, 2009
244: All the companies are involved in sacking
their best employeees because the employers
are not much concerned with the work done by
the employee but by the money paid regularly
to management as bribe. Since bribe is a good
amount so every manager is involved in this.
I personally have been sacked by many
companies in Delhi, Gurgaon and Noida.
Posted by: Anil Kumar Singh - 22 Aug, 2009
245: Due to this corruptions wrong people is
selected in company .company would be losings
lot of money and time on this people . Due to
this at time recession he would be fired . .
Just selecting a wrong people you will be
losing all the fame and money .Who is the
responsible for all this Corrupt HR's
Posted by: Raj - 22 Aug, 2009
246: Mr Ram Manohar could approach National Human
Rights Commission with his allegations of
harassment to him by the Management of
Wipro.He could also go to the media with his
grievances.The former will be more effective.
Posted by: Balaraju.C.S - 22 Aug, 2009
248: Hi,
Wipro has the worst HR department in place.They care a damn for employees.If you can go and check its MG road office you can make out what the hygine is.Office with No A/C and dust all around.Cafetaria is on the top floor with roof.Its quite common as far as Wipro is concerned.I was working in HR department of Wipro earlier.
Wipro has the worst HR department in place.They care a damn for employees.If you can go and check its MG road office you can make out what the hygine is.Office with No A/C and dust all around.Cafetaria is on the top floor with roof.Its quite common as far as Wipro is concerned.I was working in HR department of Wipro earlier.
Posted by: Namratha - 21 Aug, 2009
249: Heard at Wipro meeting rooms:
1. There are hundreds waiting outside with Cvs.
2.We know how to make you work till 2 in the night. But we do not want to do that (Manager upset with client feedback).
3. If you work like this or do not change your attitude, you will not excel in your next job.
Another trick employed to harass employees is to ask them to put the speaker on on your phone, and shout over it so that everybody in the floor hears it.
Friends, these kinds of tactics are fir for defamation suits. Record such conversations in your mobile and file a case.
1. There are hundreds waiting outside with Cvs.
2.We know how to make you work till 2 in the night. But we do not want to do that (Manager upset with client feedback).
3. If you work like this or do not change your attitude, you will not excel in your next job.
Another trick employed to harass employees is to ask them to put the speaker on on your phone, and shout over it so that everybody in the floor hears it.
Friends, these kinds of tactics are fir for defamation suits. Record such conversations in your mobile and file a case.
Posted by: GI Joe - 21 Aug, 2009
251: No one is against lay offs or organiations
making profit. atleast not in my ODC. What we
are against is thte unfair appraisal, unfair
salary hikes, unfair layoffs and the
unprofessional supervisors.
People like Gokul Kamath (fit to clean TOILET) are made general managers. By logging into 'mywipro' i come to know my HR. I havent met her in my 3 years life, Nor does she respond to mails.
there are tons of surveys conducted all result to nothing. Stupid training programmes are made here that dont match to your skills and you are put into it. tif you fail, thats it. They would give you an NI even if you are good at your work. they would even close billability without even informing you.
Appraisal process is a silly joke. My appraisal was closed even without discussion and after my salary hike. Salary is pathetic.
there is absolutely no one to question anything here. ombuds process / MITR etc is just a show biz. People who dont understand you or your problems will advice you.
I also partly blame the engineers who put butter on managers, to get an ONSITE or H1 VISA stamping without considering what impact it makes on the other team mates.
Any people who are happy working here are either
1. Highly paid.
2. Get lot of onsite opportunities from time on.
3. just are comfortable here by attending meetings and bluffing around.
The only people i approve here are the security people wou are very honest and would return your mobile phone if you have kept it. and the IMG people who would help you get back your computers to life. the WIPRO systems are so pathetic here. 512 MB RAM and they wouold load all wipro policies in it that would make it so slow. for everything else we need to raise request, get approval from supervisors who wont even check mails, as they would be busy bluffing around well if we ask him about anything like that, well this would reflect in your appraisal cycle.
Last but not the least
IF you are JOINING WIPRO make 2 points very clear.
ONE
Be sure that you negotiate with the HR for a higher pay in the initial itself. else you are doomed. Coz atleast the salary would be motivational to you you WONT get salary HIKE more than 8% per year unless you are one of those buttering types who dont care for your team mates.
"We will give you only 30% hike from the previous company" would be the tone you will hear which is BS, as you will meet people who will be earning double your pay with half your skills,
Make sure WHAT YOU WILL BE GETTING IN HAND. DONT FALL for the CTC joke.as there are lot of silly stuffs like a QPLC component here that you would get only in 3 months the amount depending on the profit made by the Business unit or i dont care what as its too complicated to calculate here.
TWO
MAKE sure which horizontal you are put in. Wipro keeps everyone under testing services as thats what WIPRO is fit for. So mention your skills E.G. JAVA and see to it that you are put into development PES and alike. else you will be given trainings and will have to write tests on technologies that you have no clue about.
Be loyal to your company as long as you are here. If you dont like this place, leave immediately before they discover it.
People like Gokul Kamath (fit to clean TOILET) are made general managers. By logging into 'mywipro' i come to know my HR. I havent met her in my 3 years life, Nor does she respond to mails.
there are tons of surveys conducted all result to nothing. Stupid training programmes are made here that dont match to your skills and you are put into it. tif you fail, thats it. They would give you an NI even if you are good at your work. they would even close billability without even informing you.
Appraisal process is a silly joke. My appraisal was closed even without discussion and after my salary hike. Salary is pathetic.
there is absolutely no one to question anything here. ombuds process / MITR etc is just a show biz. People who dont understand you or your problems will advice you.
I also partly blame the engineers who put butter on managers, to get an ONSITE or H1 VISA stamping without considering what impact it makes on the other team mates.
Any people who are happy working here are either
1. Highly paid.
2. Get lot of onsite opportunities from time on.
3. just are comfortable here by attending meetings and bluffing around.
The only people i approve here are the security people wou are very honest and would return your mobile phone if you have kept it. and the IMG people who would help you get back your computers to life. the WIPRO systems are so pathetic here. 512 MB RAM and they wouold load all wipro policies in it that would make it so slow. for everything else we need to raise request, get approval from supervisors who wont even check mails, as they would be busy bluffing around well if we ask him about anything like that, well this would reflect in your appraisal cycle.
Last but not the least
IF you are JOINING WIPRO make 2 points very clear.
ONE
Be sure that you negotiate with the HR for a higher pay in the initial itself. else you are doomed. Coz atleast the salary would be motivational to you you WONT get salary HIKE more than 8% per year unless you are one of those buttering types who dont care for your team mates.
"We will give you only 30% hike from the previous company" would be the tone you will hear which is BS, as you will meet people who will be earning double your pay with half your skills,
Make sure WHAT YOU WILL BE GETTING IN HAND. DONT FALL for the CTC joke.as there are lot of silly stuffs like a QPLC component here that you would get only in 3 months the amount depending on the profit made by the Business unit or i dont care what as its too complicated to calculate here.
TWO
MAKE sure which horizontal you are put in. Wipro keeps everyone under testing services as thats what WIPRO is fit for. So mention your skills E.G. JAVA and see to it that you are put into development PES and alike. else you will be given trainings and will have to write tests on technologies that you have no clue about.
Be loyal to your company as long as you are here. If you dont like this place, leave immediately before they discover it.
Posted by: badluck - 21 Aug, 2009
252:Do you think leaving wipro is so easy? If any
of them comes to know about what you are
thinking they will increase the harassment
from that time onwards. And once you put your
resignation papers they may threaten you with
things like, they wont give you experience
letters unless you stay for the bond period.
This can be 2-3 months for offshore employees
and upto 6 months if you happen to go onsite
for a week.
There is lots of bullshitting going around in this company for sure about offers on onsite etc but things never happen at all for some of them while even worse candidates will be at onsite forever.
There is lots of bullshitting going around in this company for sure about offers on onsite etc but things never happen at all for some of them while even worse candidates will be at onsite forever.
WiproEmployee replied to: badluck
post - 21 Aug, 2009
post - 21 Aug, 2009
253: Dear Ram
I appreciate your step taken on this issue. But just reporting in police will not help much. As you know inida is full of corruption so I advice you to contact News channel like AAJ-TAK or any bangalore tv channel & share all your information with them. This will help not only u but to all IT guy & I guess once you will take this bold steps each & every IT person will join u in ur agenda. So please do this steps
All the Best
Praful
I appreciate your step taken on this issue. But just reporting in police will not help much. As you know inida is full of corruption so I advice you to contact News channel like AAJ-TAK or any bangalore tv channel & share all your information with them. This will help not only u but to all IT guy & I guess once you will take this bold steps each & every IT person will join u in ur agenda. So please do this steps
All the Best
Praful
Posted by: praful - 21 Aug, 2009
254: I am working with Wipro since 5 years. Though
I am not very happy with this organization,
but still feel okay... allmost all IT
companies in India are alike.
I strongly support that, the middle level managers in Wipro are worst people and good for nothing. I knew one manager at Wipro Kolkata office, who thaught himself as a king of the office and forced his sub-ordinates to obey his nasty politics. Sometimes he used his official power and took advantages by any means.... even with female employes. I don't believe that higher managers don't know this... but still it went for quite long times. Very recently I heard that that buggerd manager has been sacked....
I strongly support that, the middle level managers in Wipro are worst people and good for nothing. I knew one manager at Wipro Kolkata office, who thaught himself as a king of the office and forced his sub-ordinates to obey his nasty politics. Sometimes he used his official power and took advantages by any means.... even with female employes. I don't believe that higher managers don't know this... but still it went for quite long times. Very recently I heard that that buggerd manager has been sacked....
Posted by: Rajeev - 21 Aug, 2009
255: Dear All Friends,
Let me be little harsh on our own self first. We have let this happen to ourselves. If this had happened in 1970 the company could have been facing 100 charges and would be answering to media and court now.
What is needed here is ACTION not mere crying. I would like to meet people among you who would like to take some concrete step to rectify this. We the adults of this generation must rise up to the occasion to straighten things up. It does not need big courage or hard work. All we need to do is just standup together for the cause. The things will be all right the moment we show courage to stand up.
We can’t tolerate such work culture in our motherland. And we won’t let ourselves tortured in our own homes. It’s our home let’s fix it. We would be laughing in the eye of our fathers and our next generation.
Please Email me on the following address if you want to stand up to the occasion. We shall meet and take some concrete action on this. sarangi.sr@gmail.com
Regards,
Mr. Smruti Ranjan
sarangi.sr@gmail.com
Let me be little harsh on our own self first. We have let this happen to ourselves. If this had happened in 1970 the company could have been facing 100 charges and would be answering to media and court now.
What is needed here is ACTION not mere crying. I would like to meet people among you who would like to take some concrete step to rectify this. We the adults of this generation must rise up to the occasion to straighten things up. It does not need big courage or hard work. All we need to do is just standup together for the cause. The things will be all right the moment we show courage to stand up.
We can’t tolerate such work culture in our motherland. And we won’t let ourselves tortured in our own homes. It’s our home let’s fix it. We would be laughing in the eye of our fathers and our next generation.
Please Email me on the following address if you want to stand up to the occasion. We shall meet and take some concrete action on this. sarangi.sr@gmail.com
Regards,
Mr. Smruti Ranjan
sarangi.sr@gmail.com
Posted by: Smruti - 21 Aug, 2009
256: Here is the Truth by a WIPROITE:
Yes all the allegations made are correct as I am facing most of these problems currently.
The appraisal process is a mammoth reward machinary for the mostly incompetent favourites, and after that you are told that dude, u deserved better, mebbe next time...but keep on working like that.
moreover, they started a new harrasment system of some tests... I am working on a particular technology and all of a sudden I am asked to write practical knowledge based tests on technologies I never have laid my hands on failing which attracts a NI.....and the cream of the cake is that the mail announcing this Lordly behaviour has "CONRATULATIONS, you have been selected for the test" written in the font of 25 all over it.
Moreover, the ethics are forgotten rather were flushed long ago along with Vivek Paul.....the company that lays too much stress on integrity shows fake experience in case of fresh resources to client.
And, inspite of making consistent profits, rather hitting the targets regularly, we are given half salary and enrichment where some apples of "THEIR" eyes are kept billable for doing nothing or even worse, they are in free pool, yet not enriched. Why? Only god knows.
The organization is fast becoming a pool of incompetent good for nothing people who someday will reach the upper echoleons of the company, infact, in our circles, the biggest curse you can caste on someone is hoping he or she wears a red tag one day (Red Tags are 5 yrs WIPRO experienced resources). All those who can, and who ever get a chance to, try to escape, barring those who know that this is the best place for viruses like them to survive and evolve and hold prestigious designations and the most appealing, controlling the lives and fates of the few unfortunates who will be reporting to them one day.
There is a huge policy framework though, but when it comes to the criteria for enrichment, policies change everyday, person to person, situation to situation. Other policies too are being violated on a regular basis.
The list of attrocities is endless, and I have not even started yet......
Yes all the allegations made are correct as I am facing most of these problems currently.
The appraisal process is a mammoth reward machinary for the mostly incompetent favourites, and after that you are told that dude, u deserved better, mebbe next time...but keep on working like that.
moreover, they started a new harrasment system of some tests... I am working on a particular technology and all of a sudden I am asked to write practical knowledge based tests on technologies I never have laid my hands on failing which attracts a NI.....and the cream of the cake is that the mail announcing this Lordly behaviour has "CONRATULATIONS, you have been selected for the test" written in the font of 25 all over it.
Moreover, the ethics are forgotten rather were flushed long ago along with Vivek Paul.....the company that lays too much stress on integrity shows fake experience in case of fresh resources to client.
And, inspite of making consistent profits, rather hitting the targets regularly, we are given half salary and enrichment where some apples of "THEIR" eyes are kept billable for doing nothing or even worse, they are in free pool, yet not enriched. Why? Only god knows.
The organization is fast becoming a pool of incompetent good for nothing people who someday will reach the upper echoleons of the company, infact, in our circles, the biggest curse you can caste on someone is hoping he or she wears a red tag one day (Red Tags are 5 yrs WIPRO experienced resources). All those who can, and who ever get a chance to, try to escape, barring those who know that this is the best place for viruses like them to survive and evolve and hold prestigious designations and the most appealing, controlling the lives and fates of the few unfortunates who will be reporting to them one day.
There is a huge policy framework though, but when it comes to the criteria for enrichment, policies change everyday, person to person, situation to situation. Other policies too are being violated on a regular basis.
The list of attrocities is endless, and I have not even started yet......
Posted by: PSYCHO - 21 Aug, 2009
257:PSYCHO,
This is 200% true...wipro is not a place to stay now...better to shift...I am working with wipro from last 3 years on on project..I am going to resign on monday...as I have seen this enrichment..NI..etc happening without any cause..this can happen to me also on one day...so I got better oppurtunity today..lets see what my manager say on monday after my resignation....
This is 200% true...wipro is not a place to stay now...better to shift...I am working with wipro from last 3 years on on project..I am going to resign on monday...as I have seen this enrichment..NI..etc happening without any cause..this can happen to me also on one day...so I got better oppurtunity today..lets see what my manager say on monday after my resignation....
WIPROITE replied to: PSYCHO
post - 21 Aug, 2009
post - 21 Aug, 2009
258: There are too many inexperienced manager in
the IT industry, who have no idea about the
legal implication of their behaviors and
behave like bullies in the school. Forcing
employees to resign is a standard procedure
in the industry. And there are many
psychological torturing methods are in
practice.
This is a serious matter and must be investigated as soon as possible. Unless the Employee takes a back step in pursuing it.
If it is found to be, true WIPRO has to act against the guilty Managers and public its policy about employ welfare. Unless of course it is part of their corporate policy to harass the employees and the managers were just working as per the policy. In that case some senior directors will be answerable to this.
There is a law in this country that works. If it does not we will make it work. No one is above law.
By the way Do anyone here know “Ram Manohar G†personally or his contact number?
This is a serious matter and must be investigated as soon as possible. Unless the Employee takes a back step in pursuing it.
If it is found to be, true WIPRO has to act against the guilty Managers and public its policy about employ welfare. Unless of course it is part of their corporate policy to harass the employees and the managers were just working as per the policy. In that case some senior directors will be answerable to this.
There is a law in this country that works. If it does not we will make it work. No one is above law.
By the way Do anyone here know “Ram Manohar G†personally or his contact number?
Posted by: Smruti - 21 Aug, 2009
260:My dear Smruthi madam, this case is not only
in IT firms in India but many firms in Gulf
& the European countries. That's why U
can find many murders, extortions, hangings
of managers/ top level in the foreign
countries by workers(Low & Middle level).
After this recession came there is no respect
for the staffs who toil hard and they are
forced to quit by various tortures and the
companies top level dont accept it saying
their managers are good and they express
their funny behaviour upon the employees
saying "Tum choothya ho hamay paagal math
banao". In fact the recession today in the
market has made the management and its
middlemen "choothya". I have this horrible
experience in an Indian company in Gulf where
"My life has become miserable" and still that
trauma persists even after my 2 months
arrival. And 1 thing in life I have learnt
"Humanity is dead, achchay achchay
chalaygaye, ullu k pattay rehaygaye" This
dialogue is for the useless managers who feel
that they can survive in this world tretaing
their employees like this....... Forcing
employees to resign is a standard procedure
in the industry. And there are many
psychological torturing methods are in
practice. One method of HR practice is
this(Filthy method), as the world runs very
fast, employees are fired/ tortured till the
last. Nothing to feel about, just leave upon
the Lord and move forward. Those days were
different, here whatever U do U have to
repent it and go.... Yeh haath de aur yeh
haath se lelay (Lord's policy). Sorry if I
have hurted U. And I feel sorry for that
Professional who was forced to resign and he
is married. Surely his curses will strike the
guilty one day.
Thanveer replied to: Smruti
post - 21 Aug, 2009
post - 21 Aug, 2009
261:It’s the habit of the IT world. Let me
ask you one thing Smruti, do you think Wipro
will take an immediate action against this.
NO NEVER … Why? Because if they take
correct action against this one employee 1000
other employees will rise up ask for equal
right.
ram replied to: Smruti
post - 21 Aug, 2009
post - 21 Aug, 2009