Obama gets tougher; firms look to move out of U.S.
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SiliconIndia,Monday, 29 June 2009, 01:22 Hrs
Bangalore: At least half-dozen major corporations in the U.S. like Tyco International (TYC) and Ingersoll-Rand (IR) have proposed reincorporating in Ireland or Switzerland since October because of the U.S. President Barack Obama's plans to clamp down on corporate overseas tax maneuvering, reports Business Week.
This is because both Ireland and Switzerland offer big tax savings than the U.S. or Europe. Also, both of the countries have well-established tax treaties, which decide which country has primary taxing rights and help avoid double taxation. Paul Schmidt who heads the international tax practice at a law firm Baker Hosteller told Business Week that Switzerland's 'statutory' tax rate is 24 percent, which is a huge savings over the potential 35 percent federal tax rate that the business firms could owe in the U.S. Meanwhile, Ireland has a 12.5 percent corporate tax rate and a good working relationship with the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), according to Conor Begley, an independent tax consultant and Former Director of international tax at Grant Thornton.

According to the international tax experts, the U.S. based companies would face the exit charges (taxes based on lost revenue to the IRS for future earnings) and be removed from the Standard & Poor's 500-stock index. Several companies that have "re-domiciled" have been dumped from the index. So some companies could be scared off from relocating their official bases from the U.S.
J.Erik Fyrwald, the CEO of $4.2 billion water-treatment and chemicals company NALCO worries that changes to corporate tax law could also make U.S.-based companies targets for foreign acquisition. "If it got to where we were unable to effectively compete globally, we would have to evaluate our options."
This is because both Ireland and Switzerland offer big tax savings than the U.S. or Europe. Also, both of the countries have well-established tax treaties, which decide which country has primary taxing rights and help avoid double taxation. Paul Schmidt who heads the international tax practice at a law firm Baker Hosteller told Business Week that Switzerland's 'statutory' tax rate is 24 percent, which is a huge savings over the potential 35 percent federal tax rate that the business firms could owe in the U.S. Meanwhile, Ireland has a 12.5 percent corporate tax rate and a good working relationship with the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), according to Conor Begley, an independent tax consultant and Former Director of international tax at Grant Thornton.
According to the international tax experts, the U.S. based companies would face the exit charges (taxes based on lost revenue to the IRS for future earnings) and be removed from the Standard & Poor's 500-stock index. Several companies that have "re-domiciled" have been dumped from the index. So some companies could be scared off from relocating their official bases from the U.S.
J.Erik Fyrwald, the CEO of $4.2 billion water-treatment and chemicals company NALCO worries that changes to corporate tax law could also make U.S.-based companies targets for foreign acquisition. "If it got to where we were unable to effectively compete globally, we would have to evaluate our options."
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Reader's comments (22)
1: Mr Obama, you need to rethink on your
policies.
Good lesson for his advisers by Tyko and others.
Good lesson for his advisers by Tyko and others.
Posted by: Deepak Singhvi - 30 Jun, 2009
2: i do agree with this reader's comments. Tax
havens exist just to serve the rich.
Posted by: marcus antonius - 30 Jun, 2009
3:It's good....If they come to India, that will
be very good.. :) :)
kamal replied to: marcus antonius
post - 30 Jun, 2009
post - 30 Jun, 2009
4: i think ur right .........india is the only
place wer anyone can survive and make money
madhu replied to: kamal
post - 01 Jul, 2009
post - 01 Jul, 2009
5: The comments coming are from the people who
don’t know the social, political and
economic systems of China, Ireland and
Switzerland and advising to FM for
modifications for foreign investors. FDI
can’t be a backbone of any
nation’s economy.
Today it’s US, Tomorrow it may be India. Capitalists don’t care for people’s jobs or nations requirements,they only know the profit & more profit. They take all advantages of subsidy. bailout packages provided by government on the cost of common peoples hard run money and run away when there turn of sacrifice comes.
Ban the so called tax havens is only remedy for such problems.
Today it’s US, Tomorrow it may be India. Capitalists don’t care for people’s jobs or nations requirements,they only know the profit & more profit. They take all advantages of subsidy. bailout packages provided by government on the cost of common peoples hard run money and run away when there turn of sacrifice comes.
Ban the so called tax havens is only remedy for such problems.
Posted by: Ujwal Latkar - 30 Jun, 2009
6: I believe we should grab this opportunity...
I just hope oure finance minister will do
some modifications for foreign investors so
that Indians will get jobs and need not go
abroad.
Posted by: Puneet - 30 Jun, 2009
7: Yeah... Thats right.. even countries like
China which has language problems find this
as an opportunity... Why shouldn't India use
this... This is a great opportunity and we
need to grab this right away... the govt must
act Smart
Posted by: Shankar - 29 Jun, 2009
8:Guys its a good news. Finance Minister ji
Please make some good policies for foreign
Investment and give more rebate to them in
upcoming budget. So that they think to invest
in India.
Nitin replied to: Shankar
post - 30 Jun, 2009
post - 30 Jun, 2009
9: Guys, While we say this let us not forget
about a primary fact that Indian tax
structure is pretty heavy and quite
cumbersome.
Think of the pains that we go thru to save our hard earned money.
For a company, they have to do ethical business which means they need to have clear tax sheets.
In the end I feel this is amongst the best of times to kill our bureaucratic patterns and welcome the change.
Because at the end A Bill Can always be passed in Parliament! What say.
Think of the pains that we go thru to save our hard earned money.
For a company, they have to do ethical business which means they need to have clear tax sheets.
In the end I feel this is amongst the best of times to kill our bureaucratic patterns and welcome the change.
Because at the end A Bill Can always be passed in Parliament! What say.
Posted by: PNC - 29 Jun, 2009
10: Wish our Finance Ministry has it's eyes n
ears open..
Posted by: Prashanth Tikare - 29 Jun, 2009
11: We should also concentrate on manufacturing
sector as it is a long term investment by
foreign companies. I think our neighbor China
is using this path very effectively over the
overs. The added advantage is that no company
can close their business at a short term as
manufacturing units require huge investments
and involves huge workforce.
Posted by: Arvind - 29 Jun, 2009
12: I too feel that India Govt. should take the
advantage. Let those company to start up
business in india, atleast lot of people get
job.
Posted by: Arindam - 29 Jun, 2009
13: yes it is true
Indian government should think about it
Indian government should think about it
Posted by: Padma - 29 Jun, 2009
14: Why not India take advantage and give tax
relief or reduce hefty charges they make to
set up business for foreign companies. At
least Indian people will get jobs and they
need not go abroad and get laid off.
Posted by: karan - 29 Jun, 2009
15:I totally agree with you Karan. We have
liberalized our markets already and
liberalization on our tax policies will not
take much time. Moreover most of the
companies look at having talented workforce
at a lesser rate and India has been a hub for
a long time now.
Arvind replied to: karan
post - 29 Jun, 2009
post - 29 Jun, 2009
16: Don't we already have tax-holidays for IT
companies? ? ? Dudes, where would the
government generate income from - salaried
people only? ? ? ?
Ireland and Swizterland are not that industrial in nature. They wanted to attract industry.
Kneeing more towards businessmen will gradually shift the stuff from democracy to clear capitalism as US experience in 1970s.
Ireland and Swizterland are not that industrial in nature. They wanted to attract industry.
Kneeing more towards businessmen will gradually shift the stuff from democracy to clear capitalism as US experience in 1970s.
Yogendra Namjoshi replied to: Arvind
post - 30 Jun, 2009
post - 30 Jun, 2009
17: it has to happen in near future, couldn't you
enumarate the infrastrucure and basic
requirement of the ever growing indian
population... there is no way out of it we
have to grab the opportunity at the right
time ..but by saying that i also mean the the
environmental laws for industry should be
tuffer and goverment should carry out more
effort to make it clean and free of
hazards...
Sushanta Dash replied to: Yogendra Namjoshi
post - 30 Jun, 2009
post - 30 Jun, 2009
18:Frnds you are absolutely right. Indian
government should think over this and attract
the foreign companies in India. This will not
only benefit Indian but will also help our
country to grow.
Anand replied to: karan
post - 29 Jun, 2009
post - 29 Jun, 2009
19:you r right mr karan, INDIA may think this
and they can bring some foreign companies
here, so that indians will be benifited much.
arulsabari replied to: karan
post - 29 Jun, 2009
post - 29 Jun, 2009
20: Common, I think the new tax rules planned by
Obama is rather for the economic destruction.
Posted by: Ravi - 29 Jun, 2009
21:Like this we cannot make in india,Because
government get money from Tax only,But they
can reduce and develop our country ,see some
politics spending money for making status at
UP,Like poor Government present in our county
and People also, We need to develop our self.
Elayaraja replied to: Ravi
post - 29 Jun, 2009
post - 29 Jun, 2009
22: It is a good opportunity at this time of
recovery from recession.First,our political
climate to be conducive for outsiders to
invest and we also get the benefits of jobs
and technological advancement.The Govt.as it
is strong now should act immediately with
urgent reforms to bring in foreign
investment.
Sitaram replied to: Elayaraja
post - 29 Jun, 2009
post - 29 Jun, 2009
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