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Now copy your brain on computers
Sunday,31 January 2010, 18:21 hrs
 
Thiruvananthapuram: Now, Swiss scientists and PIT Solution, a little-heard of IT startup in Technopark in Kerala will be working on the Blue Brain Project, the world's first comprehensive attempt to reverse-engineer the mammalian brain, reports Financial Express.

The $3 billion project is expected to be completed by 2018, said Brain Mind Institute of Swiss Federal Institute Director Henry Markram to Financial Express. The project is billed as an attempt to build a computerized copy of a brain - starting with a rat's brain, and then progressing to a human brain-inside one of the world's most powerful computers. It is an international project, propelled by Swiss Federal Institute, and involves several countries and ethics monitoring by UN bodies. India is yet to be part of the project.



The immediate purpose is to understand brain function and dysfunction through detailed simulations. "The study of rhodent brain has given us a template to build on. This would help in unraveling human brain," says Markram. "The whole idea is that mental illness, memory and perception triggered by neurons and electric signals could be soon treated with a supercomputer that models all the 1,000,000 million synapses of brain."

The key finding is that irrespective of gender and race, human brains are basically identical. "We will be able to map the differentiations by nuancing the patterns later. The exciting part is not how different we are but how similar we all are," says Markram.

     
   
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1: .
Check this 2 Astonishing lectures of Henry Markram:
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1. http://neuroinformatics2008.org/congress-movi es/Henry%20Markram.flv/view
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2. http://ditwww.epfl.ch/cgi-perl/EPFLTV/home.pl ?page=start_video&lang=2&connected=0& amp;id=365&video_type=10&win_close=0< br /> .
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Very interesting article from the ‘Seed’ magazine:
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http://seedmagazine.com/content/article/out_o f_the_blue
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http://seedmagazine.com/content/article/out_o f_the_blue/P2
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And a few more interesting links about the project:
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/sci/tech/8012496.s tm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz5IUaRr8No
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLCT3wU4fek
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Posted by: Human Brain 2045 - 21 Feb, 2010
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2:For some reason a space sign was added to the links, please remove it in order to get to the right address. For link number 2, search in google:

EPFL Henry Markram

and click the first result.
 Human Brain 2045 replied to: Human Brain 2045 
 post - 21 Feb, 2010
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3: just wait and watch let see what will going to be happen, hope for the best
Posted by: Rohit Gupta - 07 Feb, 2010
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4:It is all about the projections.

The time and space has all the solutions and researches to offer and move on and move ahead with the thoughts and projections and processings.

I personally wish all the very best.
 sashtool replied to: Rohit Gupta 
 post - 08 Feb, 2010
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5: don't do this non sense
Posted by: srinath - 06 Feb, 2010
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6: Awareness of Human brain is still remain as nobody has understand its whole functions as well as entire use in daily i.e. conscious mind, sub conscious mind & unconscious mind & no control is possible for science on these situations. Its copy can not be possible alone material science.It will can be possible if material science & spritual science do work jointly.
Posted by: sudha asthana - 03 Feb, 2010
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7:Is there a spritual science about brain? I think it is an invetion of fraudulent gurus to hoodwick public. Please do not mix science with nonsense.
 Prof.K.Prabhakar  replied to: sudha asthana 
 post - 06 Feb, 2010
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8: It shows only the lack of knowledge. For knowing these please visit on www.awgp.org
 sudha asthana replied to:  Prof.K.Prabhakar  
 post - 11 Feb, 2010
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9:human brain will be shorly understood as article says,because nothing to do with uncouncious mind,brain doesn't work in uncounsious situation,if material science and spritual science works jointly then both science's doesn't mean anything
 Abdul Rahim  replied to: sudha asthana 
 post - 04 Feb, 2010
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10: Today Science has proved that brain do work properly having sentiments in uncoscious mind but not able to control for activities during COMA. Please see Today's Times of India under article "Comatose man 'speaks' via thought".
 sudha asthana replied to:  Abdul Rahim  
 post - 05 Feb, 2010
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11: Thanks for da good site Sudha. I wud be greatful if you can forward me this kind of invalueable material. Actually @ this point of time I am very confused right now about how to go with life. abhi32002@gmail.com
 Abhijit  replied to: sudha asthana 
 post - 11 Feb, 2010
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12: Thanks for building a 1 million million neurons. Sure we need another million computers to find possible permutations combinations ( randamize chances ). Cant we come out of this digital yes no machine pattern creatively ? I think Sigmond Freud was having good brain to classify this kind of pattern than this research. Any bet on analog way of making copy ( dont get bogged with cp/copy commands -- it is differnt afterall when we store something it should be retrivable )
Posted by: Venkat Govindan - 02 Feb, 2010
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13: i think this a good innovative approach but it could be very very danger if allowed to work on its own this computer will take over all humans and man kind as shown in some english movies like robo cop , ect i think human beings are playing too much with nature if gone out if controlled it may bring disaster to all beware jai hind
Posted by: hitesh - 02 Feb, 2010
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14: THE CONCEPT OF SUNYATA OR EMPTINESS :

My brain is literally empty. No computer could ever discover even a single thought. I understand the anatomy and physiology and the functions of human brain. I had several brain scans. My brain has no thought contents that could be copied on computers.I would give you a Money Back Guarantee if you could copy my brain.
Posted by: Rudra Rebbapragada - 02 Feb, 2010
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15:Sorry. It is not empty as you thought. The reson you posted this information is sufficient evidence it is working well.
 Prof.K.Prabhakar  replied to: Rudra Rebbapragada 
 post - 06 Feb, 2010
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16:great confidence.
 Nidhi replied to: Rudra Rebbapragada 
 post - 04 Feb, 2010
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17: I think its a fantastic starting point, but we have a really long way to go. The doubts and loopholes are innumerable, but just imagine this: about 100 years ago, who could have envisaged the working of wireless phones, even the concept of internet. The world has changed drastically in the past century, more than it has changed in any century. I think that the speed of this change is just going to increase from now on...we cannot predict what the future will be. It's our job to keep on trying our hand at developing and building upon the technology we have. That is the only way we can keep up with what tomorrow is going to bring. I laud the effort, wish them gud luck, and hope to be associated with it in some way or the other.

Cheers!
Posted by: Avanti - 02 Feb, 2010
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18: It is really good. It helps that what are we think. Really this projet have been improving our knowledge. Best luck to your project.
Posted by: Amruta Ballal - 01 Feb, 2010
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19: This is a real path breaking technology. Hats of to you guys. Wishing you all the very Best.
Posted by: James - 01 Feb, 2010
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20: The attempt is laudable, though the success on the whole of "duplicating every aspect of brain function is really doubtful." Years of Neural Network research which started with this very same aim, has had only some interesting fall-outs but no great breakthroughs in creating an electronic duplicate- esp as a representation on the computer. The brain- animal or human is a massively parallel system first of all- building even the equivalent of a rodent brain is going to be formidable if it has to really function as a rat brain. The equivalent of human brain going to be combinatorially explosive and and computationally intractable.
Posted by: MAHADEVA S. SARMA - 01 Feb, 2010
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21: well i would rather like to say to both optimists of this project that its really a very difficult thing to achieve in life as there will always be something that will remain away from the reach of we human's mind though one day it will be possible to land on different planet of a remote galaxy but its understanding of human brain that will always be remain hidden from us.Now i would like to say to those pessimists that it is a human nature and of course awarded by lord in the highest heaven that once anything started by a human with a great passion will always lead to completion though not by same person but purhaps by their successor.So dont think it's never going to complete it will complete and also it's sure that it will always be in the favor of mankind and never against it.
It what came to my mind but what i said i dont really get it and if you want to let me know then sure reply!
Posted by: YOGESH - 01 Feb, 2010
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22:How can I offer my brin for mapping? It will be cool to know the Naksha (or Map) I carry.
On a more serious note: Man will always endeavor on things that take them away from day to day issues. There is not a single human endeavor that the man has ever finished. Hunger, poverty, inequality, separation, violence, education, preservation of nature, peaceful coexistence, ... all remain parts unfinished. That's part of God's bigger plan... always ready to create more problems and unable to solve them. More information does not necessarily equal more knowledge.
 Kam replied to: YOGESH 
 post - 01 Feb, 2010
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23: whatever you wrote there actually is according to me is absolutly incorrect....you know what we thought on climbing to the moon and we did that...we wanted to find cure for those disease which never thought can be cured and we succeed somehow and rest we will.Now the most important thing is the problem you mentioned are human human generated god never told anyone to be poor or inferior its we all human being and i am saying literally all of us have somehow contributed to it and these problem can never be solved by working of some bunch of people or groups it can only be solved only when we all again literally all of us need to think upon this....if you wanna debate more upon this then mail me at yayogesh@gmail.com
 YOGESH replied to:  Kam 
 post - 09 Feb, 2010
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24: tracking a human brain using a super computer is like trying to catch a horse by riding on a tortoise...anyway good luck if u succeed u wil become god in the future
 ramkumar k replied to:  Kam 
 post - 02 Feb, 2010
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25: all the best for those people who involve in this
Posted by: karan - 01 Feb, 2010
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26: it would really be a fantastic achievement if it becomes a success..all the best for those involved in it.
Posted by: akshatha - 01 Feb, 2010
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27: I think this will not helpful, because the human brains not working exactly same. So they've to make a very very complicated algorithm for that. Whether it comes true, I fear somebody can "hack" my brain and control my day to day life.
Posted by: Rajeev - 01 Feb, 2010
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28: If this is well researched news then well and good.... otherwise silicon India is blowing matter out of proportion.Need of time is to focus on results not on propaganda.
Posted by: munwar khan - 01 Feb, 2010
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29: Once it will come in reality, this might be beautiful thought till it's controlled/handled by right people. Just imagine someone is able to get copy of individuals brain and try to control the same
Posted by: Rajnish - 01 Feb, 2010
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30: man on earth can make impossible things possible.. so i think it could be possible. according to me nothing is impossible if a man thinks of doin it.....

anywayzz hatsoff to the wonderful thought ....
Posted by: Raghavenderkanduri - 01 Feb, 2010
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31: SKYNET in the works ... :D
Posted by: Mike Rotch - 01 Feb, 2010
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32: this is impossible thing , dont waste your time.
Posted by: rahul - 01 Feb, 2010
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33:you stupid!try to encourage otherwise shut your mouth
 pappi replied to: rahul 
 post - 01 Feb, 2010
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34: This is a real path breaking technology. Hats of to you guys. Am proud to say that India is a part of this project. The project does make sense and the time and money mentioned also seems to be fair enough for the kind of research that would be needed for this project. I don`t think this would be able to reverse back and write information in a brain or make everyone a genius the way most of people have commented about. It may also take pentabytes of storage device to store 1 human brain copy. Ability to interpret the stored dat again a huge daunting task. Lots of challenges my friend, wish the guys of PIT lots of luck for the project, make us proud guys...
Posted by: Sachin Hosamani - 01 Feb, 2010
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35: Sir! I need more details on this project. I have came accross another project of similar type took up by IBM.
PLzzz I need details. I am very happy and interested, as an INDIAN is doing it.
Posted by: Avinash - 01 Feb, 2010
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36: This will be really great achievement but the question is, can they copy the emotions in super computers. If they will success in this part then they can create clone also.

anyways

Best of Luck for those guys who are building up this kind of project
Posted by: Hemang Kalolia - 01 Feb, 2010
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37: LoL ! well if this became true then we can see next real MATRIX PART with real imagination.some one insert a wire in to brain and........ puff we are in another world where we can learn any thing by just copy of learning any art such as Kung-Fu,Fly a Helicopter,Plane...hahahahaha..:P

And this will change future of learning of human brain.. well this so called $3 billion is too much i think this is big enough money to sort out our global warming problem :D

Let's See where technology taking us..!
Posted by: $urya - 01 Feb, 2010
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38: I am applying fr d post of CEO.. its listed on d website :D
Posted by: CEO - 01 Feb, 2010
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39: The only part of body which is not having artificial made, now that is also going to be acheived:):):)
Posted by: Sarath - 01 Feb, 2010
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40: Thank you to the team who have started this project, this was my imagination from last 15 years.

Thanks to the team once again &
ALL THE BEST
Posted by: Vaishali - 01 Feb, 2010
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41: I am little skeptic about the issue. USD 3 billion means approximately INR 15,000 crore. When it comes to genetic mapping, cloning or these kind of things, I am a big Zero. I do not know anything. So I cannot comment on how will this end up. But my query is that, when it is believed that human being exploit only 3% of their brain's capacity, what will happen here? When they say all human brains are basically identical, will every person be able to do every thing, right from running, playing to building a space ship? Where will be the competitive edge? This looks an absurd idea for me. When a company in Kerala is doing this, how do they say, India is not part of it?

As somebody pointed out, when so much money is gonna pour out, Govt. need to watch out that the money is not utilized for any illegal or terrorist activity
Posted by: Sivaramakrishnan - 01 Feb, 2010
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42: its really a great project and notion that you guys are caring of.
It will definitly demystify the most complex system on earth.
best of luck
Nilojyoti
+91 99 16 58 26 65
Posted by: Nilojyoti Sarkar - 01 Feb, 2010
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43: considering all the cons, this is still a wonderful project. Oh man! we could re-live if this comes true.
Best of luck and all the success to the ones going ahead with this. Let apart ethics. Evrybody forgets ethics when it comes to self and this project is a boon to mankind
Posted by: Marian Jayson - 31 Jan, 2010
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44: India should be part of this innovation because it’s going to be one of the world's greatest innovations for mankind. Human beings adoption...
Posted by: Hemanth - 31 Jan, 2010
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45: This would be sign of Meta Modern Era!
I can share POC with you.
:Design Consultants
Posted by: Abhijeet Shetti - 31 Jan, 2010
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46: hey man this is your imortal technique which function for one criteria only one time .and human brain you ccan study the structure and basic funda but u no it under go changes in a fraction of second and according to environment. u can study that brain only in your man made climat. afer that it will function differently .so u dare to do this its fine but dont dare to waste the time and money for some culprits and gentle terrorists running this system.this is going against ehics of human civilization.do thatt which will save the socity not destroy it. better enter into the spiritual life rather than this materialistic life and make your brain more developed than super computors.think a society wher every human be a superior one.
Posted by: rasmita - 31 Jan, 2010
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47:good Lord! what have you written?! lol...
 captcha artist replied to: rasmita 
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48: Wow. This is amazing. I guess soon we will be able to take back up of brains. I wonder if they would device a mechanism to copy the "brain-data" back to the brains. Just like burning data into the CDs/DVDs.
Posted by: VijayAnanth S - 31 Jan, 2010
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49: good idea, but not sure how would this execute, and am sure this is not just investment for black money :), have heard people coding genes now a days, dont know how far this would execute and a plan is there to execute this or there will be waste of time and money for 8 yrs with no result
Posted by: neeraj - 31 Jan, 2010
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50: Team is working on Blue Brain Project sure they are using less than 3%
But 400/500 years back there were no technology
today children playing with technology
Nothing is impossible
Posted by: Nadir Sheikh - 31 Jan, 2010
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51: Agreed only 3%
but lots of information
Posted by: Nadir Sheikh - 31 Jan, 2010
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52: Some say Humans only use 3% of their brain(s) at any time (and others even less) perhaps they don't need to make such a big 500 pentabyte full brain simulation computer!

Dr.A.Jagadeesh Nellore (AP)





Posted by: Dr.A.Jagadeesh - 31 Jan, 2010
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53: This is an amazing idea to start with. But this sounds something similar to the Human Genome Project, which created a havoc in the Scientific communities. I hope it goes fine. And i see a lot of science and IT will be involved here. So, i hope it is gonna create a few good opportunities to budding science graduates and IT professionals.
Posted by: Cengage - 31 Jan, 2010
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54: Really cool .. but as with all great inventions there is a great potential for misuse of the technology. Remember the atom bomb and others?
Posted by: Abraham Eapen - 31 Jan, 2010
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55: Very powerful invention
Very helpful for mental illness
& very helpful to understand criminal & terrorist brain
Posted by: Nadir Sheikh - 31 Jan, 2010
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56: this is really cool. but imagine the kind of money they use on such research to just study the brain's functions
Posted by: dona - 31 Jan, 2010
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57:well, seems to be like a wonderful project but how far it ll affect the competitive nature in the Human race. If every one undergoes a treatment or something from this computer, I believe every one will become genius. And what is that called? Its a Godly thing really to cure mentally retarded people. cannot come to a decision.
 Srikanth replied to: dona 
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58: Thats crap , its never gonna work, wat i undrstand 4m d article is , all human beings wl hav similar module of brain , if dts d case then where is the survival factor for which the whole world is fighting? everybody will be pilot , doctor, engineer, Make some logic out of this, I appreciate that india is trying to do smething , but make it worth mentionable having some logic
 Arup replied to:  Srikanth 
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59: i think the future..is not going to be electronics but biotechnology..
because biology beats elctronics both in terms of sheer number
and duplicating capability along with variations.. plus very complex behavior of every element(neuron)... and millions of years of precision engg.so creating a highly complex system like brain electronically.. is goin to be very difficult....
unless we are able to engineer biological sytems and successfully program them....and by the way even if such a system was built..it would take an enormous amount of energy to copy functions of brain...compared to tat see how much our brain needs... just some complex nutrients(3 meals a day)...
 narayanan  replied to: Arup 
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60: Its really exciting to hear news like especially since i do work in the IT industry. But there are some challenges, since thought, memory etc occurs in human brain not bcoz of some neurons firing. Science cease to explain any thing at the level of consciouness. Brain functions only as a machine when we come to the realm of consciousness where consciousness works like the Operating system to put it simply.
 Vineeth replied to: narayanan 
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