No visa for firms hiring less than 50 percent Americans
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Bangalore: After Washington's decision to double the visa application fees as a part of its border security law, another bill has been proposed to axe visas (whether H1-B or L1) to foreign companies that do not employ at least 50 percent local people in the U.S.
The Comprehensive Immigration Reforms Bill, which aims to curb illegal immigrants to the U.S. from Mexico, is likely to hit the Indian IT outsourcing industry in November, with potentially disastrous consequences.

If the bill is passed, it is expected to affect the Indian IT outsourcing sector, which is nowhere near this 50 percent figure and still relies on H1-B and L1 visas to transition clients' contracts offshore.
"Most politicians are trying to capitalize on the issue on the back of rising unemployment and a lot of negative sentiment floating around that," said a senior executive of one top Indian IT outsourcing firm. He did not wish to be named, as his company has significant business interests in the U.S.
Indian IT service companies depend heavily on H-1 and L-1 visas to send engineers from India on a temporary basis to transition clients' work to India: gathering client business requirements, getting the design ready; and sometimes to support a client's IT infrastructure maintenance works onsite.
Most companies also send Indians for various front-end roles like account management, relationship management and sales and support. Besides, most IT employees in India consider onsite (U.S.) postings a prime motivation factor to further their career growth. If that disappears, most companies will find it difficult to get talent.
Nasscom, the apex industry body representing the software services industry in India, has been asking U.S. authorities and lawmakers to introduce temporary service visas or work permits similar to those of the UK, Germany and France. It made this clear in 2009 when senators Chuck Grassley and Dick Durbin were planning to introduce the Visa Reforms Bill in the U.S. Senate.
A major part of the Durbin-Grassely proposals are now believed to have been incorporated in the Comprehensive Immigration Reforms Bill. Nasscom is awaiting an official draft of the Bill before renewing its campaign against the move.
According to Nasscom President Som Mittal, there is no official draft available at the moment, which is why there are many versions floating around. There are discussions between the U.S. administration and Congress on a 10-point agenda on the shape of the Bill.
Industry insiders say the recent spurt in anti-outsourcing initiatives in the U.S. are due to political reasons. The U.S. economy is also passing through a rough patch, with talk of double-dip recession growing louder with each passing day. Unemployment rates are high and private indebtedness is very high.
Because of growing fiscal deficit, most new U.S. government programmes are self-funded, otherwise it would be difficult to get Congressional approval.
The Comprehensive Immigration Reforms Bill, which aims to curb illegal immigrants to the U.S. from Mexico, is likely to hit the Indian IT outsourcing industry in November, with potentially disastrous consequences.
If the bill is passed, it is expected to affect the Indian IT outsourcing sector, which is nowhere near this 50 percent figure and still relies on H1-B and L1 visas to transition clients' contracts offshore.
"Most politicians are trying to capitalize on the issue on the back of rising unemployment and a lot of negative sentiment floating around that," said a senior executive of one top Indian IT outsourcing firm. He did not wish to be named, as his company has significant business interests in the U.S.
Indian IT service companies depend heavily on H-1 and L-1 visas to send engineers from India on a temporary basis to transition clients' work to India: gathering client business requirements, getting the design ready; and sometimes to support a client's IT infrastructure maintenance works onsite.
Most companies also send Indians for various front-end roles like account management, relationship management and sales and support. Besides, most IT employees in India consider onsite (U.S.) postings a prime motivation factor to further their career growth. If that disappears, most companies will find it difficult to get talent.
Nasscom, the apex industry body representing the software services industry in India, has been asking U.S. authorities and lawmakers to introduce temporary service visas or work permits similar to those of the UK, Germany and France. It made this clear in 2009 when senators Chuck Grassley and Dick Durbin were planning to introduce the Visa Reforms Bill in the U.S. Senate.
A major part of the Durbin-Grassely proposals are now believed to have been incorporated in the Comprehensive Immigration Reforms Bill. Nasscom is awaiting an official draft of the Bill before renewing its campaign against the move.
According to Nasscom President Som Mittal, there is no official draft available at the moment, which is why there are many versions floating around. There are discussions between the U.S. administration and Congress on a 10-point agenda on the shape of the Bill.
Industry insiders say the recent spurt in anti-outsourcing initiatives in the U.S. are due to political reasons. The U.S. economy is also passing through a rough patch, with talk of double-dip recession growing louder with each passing day. Unemployment rates are high and private indebtedness is very high.
Because of growing fiscal deficit, most new U.S. government programmes are self-funded, otherwise it would be difficult to get Congressional approval.
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Posted by: Madhumita R - 06 Sep, 2010
7: Hey,i accept,there is a bit of discrimination
in indaian companies regarding job,even i
faced this but the fact is here manpower is
more so they don't compromise much.
But look at the other side is it the indian companies only getting benefit from outsourcing,its the clients of US who get benefit too and moreover by doing outsourcing now we all have become global.I am sure discrimination can't make profits its the talent that will be the ultimate winner.
US Govt should not think by neglecting others it can grow,because to grow means one have to be globalised.And this a high time to analyze the real consequences before coming to any conclusion.
But look at the other side is it the indian companies only getting benefit from outsourcing,its the clients of US who get benefit too and moreover by doing outsourcing now we all have become global.I am sure discrimination can't make profits its the talent that will be the ultimate winner.
US Govt should not think by neglecting others it can grow,because to grow means one have to be globalised.And this a high time to analyze the real consequences before coming to any conclusion.
Posted by: indian - 30 Aug, 2010
8: Oh Sure! Being Indian, after being refused
jobs by our own Indian brothern, I feel a lot
and I support what US Govt. is doing for
Indian companies not hiring Americans. These
Indian companies 'play' with the candidates
by conducting interviews (one on phone, one/2
on 'white board' style asking the candidates
to write the code on the board) irrespective
of the candidates MS in CS, work experience
and/or Certifications and/or age. These
discriminating Indian recruiting companies
deserve this kind of treatment by US Govt.
Bruce
Indain American
Bruce
Indain American
Posted by: Bruce Bond - 30 Aug, 2010
9:Mr. Indian American,
Can you highlight when you were refused a job in India?
Why not this bill was proposed at that time?
When US Govt is not able to combat the recession effects, that time only they are realizing these discrepancies in Indian firms. Why dont they throw you out of their country, in that case?
Till 2 yrs back they were singing the rhymes of Free Trade Policy, what happened to it now?
Do you have any answers for any of these questions?
Can you highlight when you were refused a job in India?
Why not this bill was proposed at that time?
When US Govt is not able to combat the recession effects, that time only they are realizing these discrepancies in Indian firms. Why dont they throw you out of their country, in that case?
Till 2 yrs back they were singing the rhymes of Free Trade Policy, what happened to it now?
Do you have any answers for any of these questions?
Gagan replied to: Bruce Bond
post - 31 Aug, 2010
post - 31 Aug, 2010
10: To USAcitizen: You may be proud of your
citizenship here. But I can tell you time is
not so far when USA CITIZENS will be standing
in queue to get visa for Asian Countries.
Direction for US is only one way, that is
southward... Real issues are conveniently
ignored, this is just one more clue to
understand that. More protectionism they
follow, more they will go down. Currency of
highly protectionist country don't deserve to
be worldwide acceptable currency, and moment
world economy start implementing these, you
will hear death bell Mr. USACitizen....
sharpen your skillsets & get ready to
stand in queues in Asia.
Posted by: GSP101 - 30 Aug, 2010
11:I am a INdian and live in the US. You can
dream about this but only dream. Our Indian
companies are cheap out soruceing destination
where there no innovation. YOU ARE DREAMING
A DREAM
IndianAmerican replied to: GSP101
post - 04 Sep, 2010
post - 04 Sep, 2010
12: India has reservations on all things from
education to employment and what so ever.
Come on guys ! this is not something new to
you , stop complaining and play by the rules.
Posted by: USAcitizen - 30 Aug, 2010
13:Agree one hundred percent
Mansoor replied to: USAcitizen
post - 30 Aug, 2010
post - 30 Aug, 2010
14: USA have own rules, and they don't care any
countries peoples. Actually they afraid from
India, China etc. because we are moving on
top, last year Obama already said that, we
are moving down, because Indians, Chiness are
moving on top fast. So they are trying to his
power, but we Indians can't like this.
We know our POWERS, and all Countries also KNOW India is a big country and no body want to bit them.
We care peoples, countries, and we are kind.
We know our POWERS, and all Countries also KNOW India is a big country and no body want to bit them.
We care peoples, countries, and we are kind.
Sanjay Kumar replied to: Mansoor
post - 02 Sep, 2010
post - 02 Sep, 2010
15: Afraid of what. We are divided too much by
religion, language, caste and what so ever.
No country wants to bite india...you forgot
26/11? Kasab? what did you do. They butched
175 indians. Spineless indian govt. Still 70%
weapons imported from other countries.
IndianAmerican replied to: Sanjay Kumar
post - 04 Sep, 2010
post - 04 Sep, 2010
16: indian american after reading to all the
comments that u have posted firstly have u
decided who u r indian or
american
hitesh replied to: IndianAmerican
post - 05 Sep, 2010
post - 05 Sep, 2010
17: What do U mean India is a big country, on
respect, sure on population and poverty?
India needs to be careful about the present
growth. What percent of Indians live an
average life? If you take a survey of
indains, majority would say they want to come
to the USA? Why?
TvJ replied to: Sanjay Kumar
post - 04 Sep, 2010
post - 04 Sep, 2010
18: H1-B's , Start packing up your bags guys,
India is calling you ! you guys have used
enough loopholes in the system to stay but
not anymore. Great move by Obama
administration.
Posted by: USAcitizen - 30 Aug, 2010
19:lets boycott the USA jobs as Mr Lal Bahadur
shashtri Did boycott USA's help during
Ind-Pak war.
and I tell you you guys will come crawling.
dude believe me it benefits more than Indians.
for every USD given to Indians you save 5 USD and in that one USD Indians only save may be 20 cents.
Think this boet. you guys save 25 times more than an average Indian would do.
and if thats fine with you than Indians are OK
and at the end just to remind you that Columbus found you.......................................... .
and I tell you you guys will come crawling.
dude believe me it benefits more than Indians.
for every USD given to Indians you save 5 USD and in that one USD Indians only save may be 20 cents.
Think this boet. you guys save 25 times more than an average Indian would do.
and if thats fine with you than Indians are OK
and at the end just to remind you that Columbus found you.......................................... .
ashok replied to: USAcitizen
post - 31 Aug, 2010
post - 31 Aug, 2010
20:Dont be a idiot ! Think ..Think loud ! It was
because of this same H1B costs of services
and products are less in US, which itself is
causing headache to US Citizens. From Health
care to Education this cost itself is
unbearable to US Citizens. Yes its true that
H1B works cheaper and same H1s pay to the
american exchequer as tax..and benefit is for
both Indians and US Citizens. Now let Mr.
Citizen come and do the job with same rates.
I challenge you cant leave that lifestyle in
that rate. And if you do in that premium rate
your bills will increases and you have to
bear that. Result is even if you work you
will finally get screwed up !
The wealth in the world is a constant entity. So if the growth happens somewhere the wealth gets spread somewhere else. Its a irreversible global phenomenon. Now India and China are growing funneling wealth from Europe and US. After sometime it will get distributed to Africa also..
Poor Obama or any force cant help prevent this. May be he will get some claps for short term but cant prevent the inevitable. Protectionism is going to screw America more than anyone else because its one economy built on capitlistic fundamentals. Its happening but you are not realising thats the fact. Why your Social security department is crying saying we dont have enough money to pay for you for retirement ? have you ever thought ? Why Americas health care cost is mounting ? Why education cost is mounting ? Ever thought ?
The only thing Americans can do is to swim with the growth of high growth countries and benefit from that. Or time will ring the death knell in 20 years from now. I dont mean a complete destruction , but I can tell you citizens will not be happy any more and the great American dream will remain as a dream. By the way I am a citizen.
The wealth in the world is a constant entity. So if the growth happens somewhere the wealth gets spread somewhere else. Its a irreversible global phenomenon. Now India and China are growing funneling wealth from Europe and US. After sometime it will get distributed to Africa also..
Poor Obama or any force cant help prevent this. May be he will get some claps for short term but cant prevent the inevitable. Protectionism is going to screw America more than anyone else because its one economy built on capitlistic fundamentals. Its happening but you are not realising thats the fact. Why your Social security department is crying saying we dont have enough money to pay for you for retirement ? have you ever thought ? Why Americas health care cost is mounting ? Why education cost is mounting ? Ever thought ?
The only thing Americans can do is to swim with the growth of high growth countries and benefit from that. Or time will ring the death knell in 20 years from now. I dont mean a complete destruction , but I can tell you citizens will not be happy any more and the great American dream will remain as a dream. By the way I am a citizen.
TheUnbiasedEcnomist replied to: USAcitizen
post - 30 Aug, 2010
post - 30 Aug, 2010
21: Wait until your own supply of million fresh
engineers every year comes out of college and
take away your jobs for a cheaper salary and
when it happens will you be happy saying that
things are done at a cheaper rate and your
costs are low ,so do something about it and
stop complaining and we can manage our own
inflation.
USACitizen replied to: TheUnbiasedEcnomist
post - 08 Sep, 2010
post - 08 Sep, 2010
22: India's economy has grown a lot in past few
years because of IT.Yes,this type of decision
is going to affect Indian IT companies and
the people too.
But the truth is if this is going to happen then instead of outsourcing the people the companies may outsource the whole project to india there by reducing all the risk factors.so there is a chance of increasing demand in skilled man power in IT sectors,this will increase more jobs and will be in econimical benefits for the companies.
But the truth is if this is going to happen then instead of outsourcing the people the companies may outsource the whole project to india there by reducing all the risk factors.so there is a chance of increasing demand in skilled man power in IT sectors,this will increase more jobs and will be in econimical benefits for the companies.
Posted by: Bandana - 30 Aug, 2010
23: Well, Companies (be it Indian or American)
don't hire any nation's citizen, they look
only the talent & they pay for the talent
only. I don't think hiring only or >50%
American will help them fight recession. It
will even give a negative feedback to
companies operating from America.
Even if talk too much here, Govt. will do what they want. Let them try this too :)
Even if talk too much here, Govt. will do what they want. Let them try this too :)
Posted by: Indian - 30 Aug, 2010
24:Your are right :)
Indian replied to: Indian
post - 30 Aug, 2010
post - 30 Aug, 2010
25:Correct..
GSP101 replied to: Indian
post - 30 Aug, 2010
post - 30 Aug, 2010
26: "at least 50 percent" ?
50% of what? Is it the total work force? (or) number of people sent to the US from India as an onsite employee?
Clarify what you wanted to convey by that 50%
Moreover, a company (IT outsourcing) operating in India might no do business only with the US. Business is usually transnational. If every country demands 50% just like the US, the issue gets funny.
50% of what? Is it the total work force? (or) number of people sent to the US from India as an onsite employee?
Clarify what you wanted to convey by that 50%
Moreover, a company (IT outsourcing) operating in India might no do business only with the US. Business is usually transnational. If every country demands 50% just like the US, the issue gets funny.
Posted by: Saran - 30 Aug, 2010
27:sorrry i want full details
Naresh Chowdary replied to: Saran
post - 30 Aug, 2010
post - 30 Aug, 2010
28: Obama wants to get an appraisal from his
countrymen....
Posted by: sona - 29 Aug, 2010
29:President Obama is under immense pressure. It
takes 3 seconds to promise charismatic and
takes years ... to fulfill it. It's nothing
but a move to lure his voters.
Rudra Alok replied to: sona
post - 30 Aug, 2010
post - 30 Aug, 2010
30: It looks the companies must now hire the
nationals irrespective of their talents...
then what happens to the
productiveness....does it make any sense of
adding to the GDP of nation.
Sanjay Pattnaik replied to: Rudra Alok
post - 30 Aug, 2010
post - 30 Aug, 2010
31: There are plenty of people and talents
available today to get hired in USA to add to
the GDP there is no need for complimenting
from india and thanks for your concern if
it's a true one :).
USAcitizen replied to: Sanjay Pattnaik
post - 30 Aug, 2010
post - 30 Aug, 2010
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