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MindTree to slash salary and campus hiring
By
Sudarshan Kumar,Sunday, 20 September 2009, 23:44 Hrs
Bangalore: MindTree, an international information technology (IT) company is planning to take similar steps like TCS and other IT giants by revising the salary of employees to stabilize the company's performance.
On the current trends, S Janakiraman, President, Group CEO - Product Engineering Services, MindTree said, "Revising salary is the need of the hour. This will bring a change in mindset of employees, and variable pay should not be linked only to the company's revenue, but also on productivity of the employee. We have already revised the variables in the R&D division, and this segment has shown great recovery in the last few months."
The company, which offered jobs to 750-780 students in 2008-09 fiscal, is planning to decrease the number in the next year. Janakiraman said, "To maintain our strong relationship with some prominent colleges, we will keep hiring from the campus, but seeing the affect of slowdown, we are planning to hire lesser number of engineers next year."
As the economy has started recovering, all the companies have started looking beyond the boundary. On the similar note, MindTree is planning to open a bridge office in China by the end of 3rd quarter (December 2009) of the current fiscal. Janakiraman said, "We are in the process of registering the subsidiary shortly. The engineers to China centre will be outsourced from India as there is a language barrier for local hiring. The subsidiary will act as a bridge for Chinese customers and global giants who have presence in China." Currently, the company has only one customer 'Huawei' in China.
In the quarter ended June 30, 2009, the company's total revenues were at $62.1 million, indicating an increase of 36.3 percent Year over Year (YoY). The profit after tax (PAT) was $11.56 million with an increase of 554.6 percent YoY. However, Quarter over Quarter (QoQ), revenues declined by 9.8 percent in rupee terms.
On the current trends, S Janakiraman, President, Group CEO - Product Engineering Services, MindTree said, "Revising salary is the need of the hour. This will bring a change in mindset of employees, and variable pay should not be linked only to the company's revenue, but also on productivity of the employee. We have already revised the variables in the R&D division, and this segment has shown great recovery in the last few months."
The company, which offered jobs to 750-780 students in 2008-09 fiscal, is planning to decrease the number in the next year. Janakiraman said, "To maintain our strong relationship with some prominent colleges, we will keep hiring from the campus, but seeing the affect of slowdown, we are planning to hire lesser number of engineers next year."
As the economy has started recovering, all the companies have started looking beyond the boundary. On the similar note, MindTree is planning to open a bridge office in China by the end of 3rd quarter (December 2009) of the current fiscal. Janakiraman said, "We are in the process of registering the subsidiary shortly. The engineers to China centre will be outsourced from India as there is a language barrier for local hiring. The subsidiary will act as a bridge for Chinese customers and global giants who have presence in China." Currently, the company has only one customer 'Huawei' in China.
In the quarter ended June 30, 2009, the company's total revenues were at $62.1 million, indicating an increase of 36.3 percent Year over Year (YoY). The profit after tax (PAT) was $11.56 million with an increase of 554.6 percent YoY. However, Quarter over Quarter (QoQ), revenues declined by 9.8 percent in rupee terms.
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Reader's comments (46)
1: Mindtree by looking
Posted by: quick gun murgon - 24 Sep, 2009
2:Mindtree is the worst company to work with
run by the jokers and eunuchs. One should
never join this company. Integrity is only
their propaganda.The company actions betrays
diametrically opposite aspects.One will
regret if joins the company.
aks replied to: quick gun murgon
post - 18 Sep, 2010
post - 18 Sep, 2010
3: MindTree has cut the salary 15% (last year)
across the company and 30% for people on
bench (Bonus + 15%).
To show it to the media that they have reached the a billion dollar company in revenue. They do all these.
What kind of company is this? They don't give salary to employees but they are billion dollar company.
To show it to the media that they have reached the a billion dollar company in revenue. They do all these.
What kind of company is this? They don't give salary to employees but they are billion dollar company.
Posted by: Ragu - 24 Sep, 2009
4:These guys do force employees to take 7 days
leave and if the first 7 days leave is taken,
then carry forward leave is over. Is it not
the last 7 days? Is it not against the Indian
Law? where is the integrity?
So they use all possible ways to save money from employees salary but not from the actual profit of the company.
Beware Indians against IT companies like this.
So they use all possible ways to save money from employees salary but not from the actual profit of the company.
Beware Indians against IT companies like this.
Ragu replied to: Ragu
post - 24 Sep, 2009
post - 24 Sep, 2009
5: MindTree had 10% layoffs and this was not due
performance issue but billing. One should
think before joining such companies and even
freshers should think twice while taking up
the offer from such cheap gimmick company.
MindTree has a dream of reching one billion
turnover and i believe they will with such a
kind of cheap business model and with the
blood of the low level employees. So better
think next time when you join MindTree. Ban
this company from your job search.
Posted by: roshan - 23 Sep, 2009
6: The CEO seem to have said "Revising salary is
the need of the hour."
Just look at the last paragraph in the article:
"In the quarter ended June 30, 2009, the company's total revenues were at $62.1 million, indicating an increase of 36.3 percent Year over Year (YoY). The profit after tax (PAT) was $11.56 million with an increase of 554.6 percent YoY. However, Quarter over Quarter (QoQ), revenues declined by 9.8 percent in rupee terms."
Does this warrant a cost cutting initiative? Even after 554.6% increase in profits they take such measures. If the Management feels that the trainees are overpaid (or hired in excess numbers), what were these guys doing while planning Manpower. Should the Management and HR guys not be sacked for improper wage structure / man power planning? If this is seen as an productivity enhancing measure this should have been done from day one - not when they perceive difficulty at recession alone - which clearly shows their lack of vision. These guys take huge bonuses leaving the lower level employees at peril.
Lots of these trainees would have chosen the offer from MindTree instead of the offers from other companies considering the Salary offered. Reducing the salary is going back on the commitments made to these employees. Not sure if any of these companies value their commitment! These Giant companies take advantage of the market situation and come down hard on the employees.
Reduced hiring can be a cautious approach considering the recession. However, in my personal opinon,reducing salaries of employees - particulary when the company is making huge profits - is a blatant violation of the Employee Rights.
Just look at the last paragraph in the article:
"In the quarter ended June 30, 2009, the company's total revenues were at $62.1 million, indicating an increase of 36.3 percent Year over Year (YoY). The profit after tax (PAT) was $11.56 million with an increase of 554.6 percent YoY. However, Quarter over Quarter (QoQ), revenues declined by 9.8 percent in rupee terms."
Does this warrant a cost cutting initiative? Even after 554.6% increase in profits they take such measures. If the Management feels that the trainees are overpaid (or hired in excess numbers), what were these guys doing while planning Manpower. Should the Management and HR guys not be sacked for improper wage structure / man power planning? If this is seen as an productivity enhancing measure this should have been done from day one - not when they perceive difficulty at recession alone - which clearly shows their lack of vision. These guys take huge bonuses leaving the lower level employees at peril.
Lots of these trainees would have chosen the offer from MindTree instead of the offers from other companies considering the Salary offered. Reducing the salary is going back on the commitments made to these employees. Not sure if any of these companies value their commitment! These Giant companies take advantage of the market situation and come down hard on the employees.
Reduced hiring can be a cautious approach considering the recession. However, in my personal opinon,reducing salaries of employees - particulary when the company is making huge profits - is a blatant violation of the Employee Rights.
Posted by: Bushan - 23 Sep, 2009
7:Ha ha bushan, it's always the chaff that gets
beaten...so until and unless we reach those
management seats, if at all we make it there,
we can afford no mercy. Once we reach there
we can also make decision and screw people...
bijunator replied to: Bushan
post - 30 Sep, 2009
post - 30 Sep, 2009
8: Ya...when china becomes costly, they'll move
to Nigeria, from there to Uganda, from there
to their own backyard...because after all the
ordeal, the management will have to work
themselves rather than hiring people...then
they'll know what's really to work rather
than making decisions.
By the way, this whole situation has taught us one good lesson. it's not that we Indians suddenly become brainy so that all those MNCs came looking for us, it's just that we were cheap labor. now Chinese are more cheaper than us...hahaha...
By the way, this whole situation has taught us one good lesson. it's not that we Indians suddenly become brainy so that all those MNCs came looking for us, it's just that we were cheap labor. now Chinese are more cheaper than us...hahaha...
Posted by: bijunator - 22 Sep, 2009
9: MindTree is not the only Indian company
planning to move to China with ambitious
plans to utilize further cheap labour and
comparatively low cost infrastructure. Once
China make its Graduates fluent in English,
we can see how it is going to affect India.
When Indian companies or the firms those who
are outsourcing work to India start switching
their operations to China, millions of
IT/ITeS workers in India may loose job. Is
there any guarantee that India's own multi
billion enterprises will continue their back
office operations in India? Don't be
surprised, when you get a call on Insurance
or Credit card from Chinese CSR!
Can you guess the future of outsourcing?
Can you guess the future of outsourcing?
Posted by: Sreekumar J - 22 Sep, 2009
10:It is really a pathetic approach to beg some
foreign countries to get the order by
reducing our Indian currency and wasting good
engineers brains to use for IT maintenance
activities. We just fooling around ourselves
by showing people working for foreign
nationals are great and people working for
Indians are fools due to more salary
difference. After some time, our Indian
currency should be on par with US $ ie., 1 Rs
= 1 USD. Then no one will beg for jobs from
other countries. What you people need...Good
food, Good dress and Good Shelter. By
allowing this salary disparity..common people
are not able to sustain themselves and
creating jealous... And IT professionals also
spoiling their good Engg brain to useless
Maintenance coding (90% case) and spoiling
their health by working in different time
zones. What are we doing and where are we
going ? I consider the IT era as a learning
era for the Indian Youths and they should
come back to India and develop our Nation. Do
not bark like DOGS to beg the IT orders from
US. What we need to do is .... fight to get
all our Indian money from SWISS bank. We will
be the number one country in the world.
Ramasamy Sujatha replied to: Sreekumar J
post - 22 Sep, 2009
post - 22 Sep, 2009
11: Ya its a very right decision..You can get exp
1 to 2 people within 2.5 to 3.5 package..Why
to waste huge money on fresh brians..
It's not always 100 percent true that only top-top institutions are having great brians,because i have seen the cases where greta minds doesnt get the opportunity to sit for campus placement ..either they are lacking 60 percent aggregate or they are studying in the ordinary colleges..
So if we see in general..companies like mind tree,TCS,IBM..etc only goes to the reputed institution and they will select ..but to judge the real performer..this 60 percent aggregate and students from the well reputed institution will not do...
I have seen the guys who are great programmers but still they are roaming...so my question is
Is there any great method to collect great people \?
It's not always 100 percent true that only top-top institutions are having great brians,because i have seen the cases where greta minds doesnt get the opportunity to sit for campus placement ..either they are lacking 60 percent aggregate or they are studying in the ordinary colleges..
So if we see in general..companies like mind tree,TCS,IBM..etc only goes to the reputed institution and they will select ..but to judge the real performer..this 60 percent aggregate and students from the well reputed institution will not do...
I have seen the guys who are great programmers but still they are roaming...so my question is
Is there any great method to collect great people \?
Posted by: Khateee - 22 Sep, 2009
12: one way it is good,no point taking freash
brains and simply paying them high salary.
Posted by: raj - 21 Sep, 2009
13: Reading some of the comments shows that most
people ar enot practical or pragmatic.
Jobs, salaries, economy all these level of based on supply and demand.
In the US, there was a time, consultants could bill $300/hr. Now, it is not possible at all. In India, salaries (IT and even other fields) saw significant increases and such. Now, there is too much of supply (and also lot of lower quality engineers with mushrooming of colleges). Salaries will take a hit. Jobs will not grow endlessly.
A for-profit company has to be profitable for it to sustain. If it tries to philanthropic, it will become bankrupt. Based on some of the comments, if companies kept on hiring, increasing salaries, after a few years, they would have to shutdown - expenses > revenues.
Someone mentioned - October revolution, mind you, your bank account will be confiscated. Of course, if you had nothing, then you wouldn't care. But, when you have something of your own earning, you would feel the pain.
Jobs, salaries, economy all these level of based on supply and demand.
In the US, there was a time, consultants could bill $300/hr. Now, it is not possible at all. In India, salaries (IT and even other fields) saw significant increases and such. Now, there is too much of supply (and also lot of lower quality engineers with mushrooming of colleges). Salaries will take a hit. Jobs will not grow endlessly.
A for-profit company has to be profitable for it to sustain. If it tries to philanthropic, it will become bankrupt. Based on some of the comments, if companies kept on hiring, increasing salaries, after a few years, they would have to shutdown - expenses > revenues.
Someone mentioned - October revolution, mind you, your bank account will be confiscated. Of course, if you had nothing, then you wouldn't care. But, when you have something of your own earning, you would feel the pain.
Posted by: Pragmatic - 21 Sep, 2009
14: Inspite of all the big positive news painted
by the media, bottomline is companies will
slash and cut as per their will to keep their
bottomline intact. Mindtree is no different.
All it is interested in is minding their own
tree (of profits!). - Nisha (iITPRO.NET)
Posted by: Nisha Gupta - 21 Sep, 2009
15: Bad decision, as we are recovering from
recession. This compnay may also be one of
the slow reactors to the recession start and
event.
IT jobs are distinguished skilled jobs, and not every engineer can do, its not same as the job done by "Non-skilled", "low-skilled", "Mid-skilled" employees in GULF/ or East Asia. These are high-professional, high-result oriented, highest-skilled job.
So Please don't compare yourself with IT superstars.
IT jobs are distinguished skilled jobs, and not every engineer can do, its not same as the job done by "Non-skilled", "low-skilled", "Mid-skilled" employees in GULF/ or East Asia. These are high-professional, high-result oriented, highest-skilled job.
So Please don't compare yourself with IT superstars.
Posted by: Krishna - 21 Sep, 2009
16:Too much arrogance code coolie , seems a case
of core dump...Suggest u apply for the job of
a " rotating equipment engineer " , in the
gulf with shell,pdo,aramco....then u will
know what a true engineer is...
anoop replied to: Krishna
post - 22 Sep, 2009
post - 22 Sep, 2009
17:IT people are paid less than Indian
government Grade A employees as well members
of the Assembly/parliment.
deepa replied to: Krishna
post - 21 Sep, 2009
post - 21 Sep, 2009
18: Thats the Mistake of Indian Govt. IT
professionals are well qualified not like MLA
or MP
Sanoj Nambiar replied to: deepa
post - 22 Sep, 2009
post - 22 Sep, 2009
19: This is RIGHT decision,so many qualified
Engineer are not getting half of the IT
discipline employees salary, its social
injustice & imbalance.every body should
know the value of MONEY,because of this IT
Culture so many things are spoiled.
Satish....BE,.MBA.
Dubai
Satish....BE,.MBA.
Dubai
Posted by: Satish - 21 Sep, 2009
20:We will not agree with you sateesh, IT People
work culture is totally different from other
verticle people, its full of pressures, and
IT people is not having a job security too (
if they perform also), Please know the facts
Vamsi replied to: Satish
post - 21 Sep, 2009
post - 21 Sep, 2009
21:Satish is right. Morover the trainees salary
deduction is right decision, because that
time they don't perform but getting very high
salary than the other engineers. Other
engineers get high salary only after
performing. so this is a good decision.
Mridul replied to: Satish
post - 21 Sep, 2009
post - 21 Sep, 2009
22: Thanks for your positive reply
satish/Dubai
satish.haklady@gmail.com
satish/Dubai
satish.haklady@gmail.com
satish replied to: Mridul
post - 22 Sep, 2009
post - 22 Sep, 2009
23: WE DO NEED AN OCTOBER REVOLUTION.....
Posted by: bijunator - 21 Sep, 2009
24: Its very RIGHT decision, compare to other
sector IT paying too much salary hence
responsible for social imbalance ,
injustice.So compare the other sector salary
and then confirm the salary, then only the
will come to know the value of MONEY, instead
of lavish spending.
satish.
Engineer/Dubai
satish.
Engineer/Dubai
Posted by: Satish - 21 Sep, 2009
25:Satish, Can we have a list of other sector
companies where salaries are paid lesser when
compared to the IT pay scale. As we see all
the Goverment jobs for a Engineering graduate
the pay scale is atleast 20% higher than the
pay which a fresher gets when joining a IT
firm.
Its not a morning 9 to evening 6 job that a software employee enjoys,ask the people who are working on their projects, their daily statues,calls, release by release completion,,the stress they carried out. Its all the higher management who gets the lion share all the time, Please don't make a statement on their lives by just seeing the few examples around.
Its not a morning 9 to evening 6 job that a software employee enjoys,ask the people who are working on their projects, their daily statues,calls, release by release completion,,the stress they carried out. Its all the higher management who gets the lion share all the time, Please don't make a statement on their lives by just seeing the few examples around.
Sridhar replied to: Satish
post - 21 Sep, 2009
post - 21 Sep, 2009
26: I agree with Sridhar. Its not an easy task to
come at 9 and leave at 9. People think IT
guys live in the lap of luxury with AC
offices, plush work stations and handsome
salary. But they fail to understand times
when we sweat due to stress despite of ACs.
I've been working in such a project which
demands working late and working on Saturdays
and Sundays also. Not only me but there are
many others who work day in and day out. But
we are denied the deserved remuneration. How
many of you know that few companies have
denied their employees the annual bonus which
is part of their CTC as per the company's
salary structure? How many of you know that
they have been denied their rightful
promotions in the name of economic recession?
How many of you know that employees are
denied their well deserved Compensatory Offs
for which they have been working on weekends
and not visiting their families back home?
Companies have taken advantage of people in
the name of economic recession. Hope this
condition does not prevail.
Deserves right to speak replied to: Sridhar
post - 25 Sep, 2009
post - 25 Sep, 2009
27:Satish, you have no idea of what IT people go
through...It's not a 8 hours fixed timing
job. People screw around for 10-12 hours and
that too at odd hours...Money is the only
incentive they get. Corporates makes millions
and pays out only may be 10-15% as salary to
these revenue earning employees. Management
always gets the lions share. Instead of
commenting try looking at the facts...
bijunator replied to: Satish
post - 21 Sep, 2009
post - 21 Sep, 2009
28: if the corporates makes Millions maybe you
should quit working and start one than
complaining
Joe replied to: bijunator
post - 21 Sep, 2009
post - 21 Sep, 2009
29: Joe...that's the slave mentality which
resulted in 30 crore of indians ruled by
meagre 3 lakh british because no had the
balls to stand up. Everybody thought like u
did.
There's a quote for people like you --
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist. Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me."
There's a quote for people like you --
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist. Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me."
bijunator replied to: Joe
post - 22 Sep, 2009
post - 22 Sep, 2009
30: This is ridiculous. Why trainees? why not
CEO's and Managers who could not deliver to
the top line. And govt should give any tax
benefits to companies set up offshore center
outside India.
Posted by: JiJo - 21 Sep, 2009
31:Should not give tax benefit I mean
JiJo replied to: JiJo
post - 21 Sep, 2009
post - 21 Sep, 2009
32: If US govt do anything to ban outsourcing ,
the same group of people says its wrong but
demanding similar stuff from indian govt..why
so..
If setting up offshore offices is really so bad, then u wont see so many IT professional working in india for companies based anywhere in globe..
If setting up offshore offices is really so bad, then u wont see so many IT professional working in india for companies based anywhere in globe..
amit replied to: JiJo
post - 21 Sep, 2009
post - 21 Sep, 2009
33: This is really sad news. And I thought we
were recovering from recession!
Posted by: ayshaa - 21 Sep, 2009
34: MindTree management does not have capability
to make a billion dollar company. They are
good at laying off employees when there is no
projects available in their kitty. They
simply assure of no layoffs to public, but
everyone knows what they do.
I am a victim of such company, where i was asked to leave becuase of no projects. There are more than 2000 employees still now on bench ready to be layed off. Guys and Gals be careful when u opt for this company.
I am a victim of such company, where i was asked to leave becuase of no projects. There are more than 2000 employees still now on bench ready to be layed off. Guys and Gals be careful when u opt for this company.
Posted by: Lakshith - 01 Jun, 2010
35: I don’t know why India yet to follow china
in certain aspects like making people
employable. In china government started
encouraging university graduates to work on
rural projects and they are making every
effort to make economic disparity null.35lakh
applications poured in for SBI clerks show
rate of unemployment in India and our great
policy makers are in a hurry to bring higher
education accessible to every one but at the
same time they forget to make them
employable.
Krishna replied to: Ravi
post - 22 Sep, 2009
post - 22 Sep, 2009
36: Dudes,except the hard facts! Those who are
getting paid better deserve it. They have
proved it in their past lives by may be good
colleges or may be by qualifying
certifications or may be extraordinary
projects or even by luck (which offcourse is
making right decision at the right time). No
company hiring a fresher is fool enough to
pay high if they don't deserve it. so if you
feel you deserve better than proove it rather
than cribbing! there are two types of people
those who cribb in every situation and those
who turn out every situation in their favour.
i would say if you are not happy with the way
organizations work then have the guts to kick
their asses and open your own. coz this is
the way how things work and you have to
decide which side you want to be. World is
always divided among those who take risks and
those who don't take risks. those who take
are the ones you all are saying as
organizations . and those who prefer safe
play are ones who are cribbing in this chain.
My words may sound harsh but as i said in the
begining "except the hard facts"
ankur replied to: Ravi
post - 22 Sep, 2009
post - 22 Sep, 2009
37:What you are saying is that in 10 years time,
we can pull down USA to our standards!
Ved from Victoria Institutions replied to: GMA
post - 22 Sep, 2009
post - 22 Sep, 2009
38:After some time, Indian jobs will get
outsourced to cheaper nations that are out
there. Basically national improvement does
not lie in destroying the economy of other
nice nations, but in improving it internally.
If the guy who gets Rs. 10 here is poor, so
also is the guy who gets $10 over there. But
then, if he also starts getting Rs.10, then
it is a tragedy. That is what is happening in
English nations.
Another thing is that no Indian richman wants to see his employee getting anything more than a pittance. The obvious difference is seen in the looks, demeanour, as well as physical size, apart from the dressing quality.
Another thing is that no Indian richman wants to see his employee getting anything more than a pittance. The obvious difference is seen in the looks, demeanour, as well as physical size, apart from the dressing quality.
Ved from Victoria Institutions replied to: GMA
post - 22 Sep, 2009
post - 22 Sep, 2009
40: You would not have any private company to
work then. All are same. Any private company
can pink slip an employee.
If everyone is self-employed, then no one will be employed.
If everyone is self-employed, then no one will be employed.
Pragmatic replied to: asitabh
post - 21 Sep, 2009
post - 21 Sep, 2009
41: I don't know why people wait till they get
pink slip don't join these companies even if
they are paying good salary, because u don't
know when security guard ask u to hand over
ID card at the gate companies like IBMx,
SAPIENTx should be blacklisted in india
asitabh replied to: Ravi
post - 21 Sep, 2009
post - 21 Sep, 2009
42: It is business and company looks for only
their share prices and net margin. Regardless
of market condition, they always makes
money.If it is recession, salary is cutting
down, lay off happens, benefits are narrowed.
But the company margin is maintained as it
is.
It is always good to make ourself self-employed or to look forward for enterprinership.
It is always good to make ourself self-employed or to look forward for enterprinership.
Ravi replied to: AAdsds
post - 21 Sep, 2009
post - 21 Sep, 2009
43: The list of blacklist is already full. (No
Vacancy) Remember Work is God n Health is
Wealth - Gods must be crazy.
Asitabh The Entrepreneur replied to: Ravi
Asitabh The Entrepreneur replied to: Ravi
Asitabh The Entrepreneur replied to: Ravi
post - 18 Dec, 2009
post - 18 Dec, 2009
44:It is called Golmaal in Hindi and Fraud in
English. It is just like God created the Hen
or the egg before?
Gods must be crazy replied to: Pragmatic
post - 18 Dec, 2009
post - 18 Dec, 2009
45: Freelancing Jai Ho! Remember Work is God n
Health is
Wealth
Wealth
Gods must be crazy replied to: asitabh
post - 18 Dec, 2009
post - 18 Dec, 2009
46: The list of blacklist is already full. (No
Vacancy) Remember Work is God n Health is
Wealth - Gods must be crazy.
Asitabh The Entrepreneur replied to: asitabh
post - 18 Dec, 2009
post - 18 Dec, 2009
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