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Major loopholes of Lokpal Bill

By SiliconIndia  |   Wednesday, 03 August 2011, 05:24 Hrs   |    57 Comments
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Bangalore: Terming the government's draft on Lokpal Bill an eyewash, the civil society has accused that it will "patronize" corruption and demanded it should be withdrawn. Anti-corruption crusader Anna Hazare and his team of eminent members of the civil society like Prashant Bhusan, Santosh Hegde, Kiran Bedi, and Arvind Kejriwal have proposed the Jan Lokpal Bill which will effectively deter corruption, redress grievances and protect whistleblowers. They have highlighted the loopholes in government's version of Lokpal Bill which will give rise to vested interests and would make it a fruitless bill. Let's have a look at some of the major loopholes of government's version of Lokpal Bill.

1. No suo moto recognition of legal cases



According to the government's proposal, Lokpal will not have any power to either initiate action suo motu in any case or even receive complaints of corruption from general public. It also says that complaints against the Legislature Members can only be registered to the Speaker of Parliament or the Chairperson of Rajya Sabha who can decide if it should be investigated by Lokpal. As Janata Party President Subramanian Swamy puts it, the proposed Lokpal Bill will become a 'jokepal bill' if it does not have an independent prosecution commission. However, Team Anna is adamant on giving Lokpal the powers to initiate investigations suo moto in any cases.

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Posted by:xenical prix - 01 Sep, 2011
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Posted by:tryecrot - 27 Aug, 2011
3: without any powers to enact any rulings and without the PM, piloticians, bureaucrats, panchayats etc coming under the perview of the LOKPAL this act is nothing but a HOGWASH like the many other acts which are being introduced only for the heck of it. The corruption will never end and the guilty will always use their power and clout to escape scott free. Anna hazare is one of the true gandhians followers who is fiting tooth and nail for us, We should support him on this cause and intensify the fight.
Posted by:Deepak K - 07 Aug, 2011
4: IN ANY NATION ACTS ARE LAW ARE FRAMED TO PROTECT THE INTEREST OF THE RULING POWER. THE RULING POWER HAS THREE DIMENSIONS. ONE IS MONEY ANOTEHR IS MUSCLE AND THIRD THE POLITICAL POWERS. THE WHOLE NATION SUFFERS BECAUSE OF THE COMBINATION OF THE THREE. BOTH RUING AND OPPOSITIONS ARE THEIR TWO ILLICIT CHILDERN. SO IT IS NOW THE TIME FOR THE PEOPLE IN EVERY CONSTITUENCY TO FORM A FREEDOM MOVEMENT AND MARCH TO THEIR MP AND MLA`S HOUSE TO MAKE THEM TO SIGN A DECLARATION THAT THEY ARE FOR jana lokpal BILL AND THEY WILL PASS THE BILL WITH THE INCORPORATION OF THE CLAUSES THAT ARE PROVIDING SOME TEETH TO THE LOKPAL BILL. I AGREE JUDICIARY AT THE LEVEL OF CHIEF JUSTICE OF HIGH COURTS AND SUPREME COURT SHALL BE OUT SIDE THE PERVIEW LOKPAL AS THEY HAVE TO BE INDEPENDENT AND NOT TO ACCUSED OF OFFICIAL BIAS AS AND WHEN AN ACCUSED UNDER LOKPAL APPROACHES THE COURTS.
ALL GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS INVARIABLY SHALL BE UNDER LOKPAL.
Posted by:KRISHNA - 05 Aug, 2011
5:
I DO STRONGLY AGREE TO MAKE OUR ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES TO ACT PRUDENTLY AND OUT TO A DECLARATION THAT THEY ARE FOR "JAN LOKPAL BILL" AND THEY WILL PASS THE BILL WITH THE INCORPORATION OF THE CLAUSES THAT ARE PROVIDING SOME TEETH TO THE LOKPAL BILL. I AGREE JUDICIARY AT THE LEVEL OF CHIEF JUSTICE OF HIGH COURTS AND SUPREME COURT SHALL BE OUT SIDE THE PURVIEW LOKPAL AS THEY HAVE TO BE INDEPENDENT AND NOT TO ACCUSED OF OFFICIAL BIAS AS AND WHEN AN ACCUSED UNDER LOKPAL APPROACHES THE COURTS. ALL GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS INCLUDING IAS, IPA AND IFS AS WELL INVARIABLY SHALL BE UNDER LOKPAL, EXCEPT DEFENSE OFFICERS SINCE, THEY DO HAVE THEIR OWN IMPARTIAL SYSTEM OF INQUIRY AND COURT MARSHELL.
G. S. PATIL Replied to: KRISHNA - 12 Aug, 2011
6: If Dr.Subramanian Swami said it is Joke pal. It must be a good bill. He is president of a Party that has 5 members. He is suffering from identity crisis. He shamelessly calls himself as President of Janata Party that was disolved decades ago.
Posted by:sridhararao - 04 Aug, 2011
7: I think all of us should support Civil socity . And all of us shold propagate the present bill and prosed bill to the common public because the awareness of common public is less than 20%
thanks and i fully support this movement
Posted by:Narayanan Nair - 04 Aug, 2011
8: Anna and team are the same as Hurriyat in Kashmir. Their fight is against Indian state, Fight for azadi, they call them selves as true representative of kashmir, don,t fight elections to prove their reprsentation. Creat anarchy on roads with the support of few thousand waisted parties. Anna fighting for dushri azadi, want to bring anarchy in country. want youths to creat chaose on roads with support of bjp rss. In kashmir it is muslim seperatist freedom struggle forcauss of Kashmir here it is Hindu seperatists who had been fighting since independence for India as hindu state. Think the larger picture the motive of Bjp and anna hazare, Hurriyat gets funds from out side so is anna and team NGOs . It is the moment run by foreighn waisted interests who do not want India rapidly approaching world economic power.work of nation never stops lokpal may be week if it so more will follow. cresting anarchy will help the cause of indians only the adversary will love it.
Posted by:oppandey - 04 Aug, 2011
9: Hi,

All we are talking about LOKPAL bill and other such things to bring those corrupted ppl infront of justice.Thats the good thing.We have to stop and think here for while.I think,this is the time to create the corruption less(or low corruption) govt. system.The LOKPAL will come after the corruption.But we young Indians should move to bring the corruption less govt,.So we have to think beyond the LOKPAL.If we try to recreate the corruption less system,then there wont be a need for LOKPAL and other committe.We ppl should look on this and have to work on this.
Posted by:Prabukumar - 04 Aug, 2011
10:
Dear Prabhukumar, how to bring the corruption less government? Send some comments.
Satish Karia Replied to: Prabukumar - 10 Aug, 2011
11: I feel the govt drafted Lokpal as "jokepal" because it takes former Prime Minister under it but not the Prime Minister. This means that if today a person is holding the chair of Prime Minister then he is a saint. If he losses his chair then he becomes an accused. As per my knowledge "former" means "previous". How can a person become former Prime Minister without becoming a Prime Minister ? Congress is a history of corrupt Prime Ministers like Rajiv Gandhi for Bofors and PVN Rao.
Posted by:Manoj - 04 Aug, 2011
12: The Lokpal is intended to stop corruption at all levels happening at Village, metro and all places irrespective of work or people money spend by Elected people. Why is the focus taken to PM level where we have no confirmation at village level as well. Start correcting people at low level, Automatically higher level people will get down.
Posted by:Subhash Gatla - 04 Aug, 2011
13:
I think, whatever is happening, is because of the people of india. We are ignorent of anything until it affects us personally. We elected this government from last two consecutive elections, so people have a right to suffer for 10 years. Then why good people like Anna and company should give their life for US? Let people suffer, till they bring this government in power, and at last when they realise their mistake, and change the government, they will critisize the new government again to not correcting everything in 5 years. Guys I feel this mess is created by us and please learn to live with it. I am happy that UPA is dipped in corruption and dictatorship. Its a good sign of our success of voting to the right party. I hope one day will come when india will be sold out by people of india (respected representatives of people). Congratulations to all who voted to this government for their personal topic of benefit like secularism. Thinking of religion while voting is anti india. So voting by thinking some party is secular or not, is rubbish. So I am happy that we voted two consecutive elections in the name of secularism, and not values. I am happy that india is a developing contry and will be a developing contry for years to come. Thank you to this government.
indian Replied to: Subhash Gatla - 04 Aug, 2011
14: It is a good idea to include PM, Judiciary etc. but who is making appointments to Lokpal? What if Lokpal is corrupt? We have to put an end at some point, and hope it will deter corruption to some extent at least.
Posted by:Ramakrishna - 04 Aug, 2011
15:
I think, whatever is happening, is because of the people of india. We are ignorent of anything until it affects us personally. We elected this government from last two consecutive elections, so people have a right to suffer for 10 years. Then why good people like Anna and company should give their life for US? Let people suffer, till they bring this government in power, and at last when they realise their mistake, and change the government, they will critisize the new government again to not correcting everything in 5 years. Guys I feel this mess is created by us and please learn to live with it. I am happy that UPA is dipped in corruption and dictatorship. Its a good sign of our success of voting to the right party. I hope one day will come when india will be sold out by people of india (respected representatives of people). Congratulations to all who voted to this government for their personal topic of benefit like secularism. Thinking of religion while voting is anti india. So voting by thinking some party is secular or not, is rubbish. So I am happy that we voted two consecutive elections in the name of secularism, and not values. I am happy that india is a developing contry and will be a developing contry for years to come. Thank you to this government.
indian Replied to: Ramakrishna - 04 Aug, 2011
16: We are all aware that Rahul Gandhi will be the next PM if Sonia has her way.What better way than a diluted LokPal Bill to enable the next PM to do another Bofors and many more of the kind that have been perpetrated.A free hand by the Congress party to the next PM. GOD SAVE INDIA.
Posted by:SUBHASH - 04 Aug, 2011
17:
God will not save india. only we can save india.

I think, whatever is happening, is because of the people of india. We are ignorent of anything until it affects us personally. We elected this government from last two consecutive elections, so people have a right to suffer for 10 years. Then why good people like Anna and company should give their life for US? Let people suffer, till they bring this government in power, and at last when they realise their mistake, and change the government, they will critisize the new government again to not correcting everything in 5 years. Guys I feel this mess is created by us and please learn to live with it. I am happy that UPA is dipped in corruption and dictatorship. Its a good sign of our success of voting to the right party. I hope one day will come when india will be sold out by people of india (respected representatives of people). Congratulations to all who voted to this government for their personal topic of benefit like secularism. Thinking of religion while voting is anti india. So voting by thinking some party is secular or not, is rubbish. So I am happy that we voted two consecutive elections in the name of secularism, and not values. I am happy that india is a developing contry and will be a developing contry for years to come. Thank you to this government.
indian Replied to: SUBHASH - 04 Aug, 2011
18: first we should remove congress govt. Then we will find the root causes for all these nonsense corruptions
Posted by:Dulasi - 04 Aug, 2011
19: better education to public and building moral code of conduct will help no bill in our country can work because sadhus and gurus in india have vested interest
Posted by:chandrakant deshmukh - 03 Aug, 2011
20: To all Indian poeple

1I come from Andhra Pradesh state my native state ,,once a CM left on a medical trip to USA FOR one month ,,heart by pass surgery ,,leaving temp CM(I think it was a rebel kind of guy) ,,guess what happened within that one month ,,the temp CM or Rebel Cm cleared thousands of files for all kinds of deals permission to grant new engg or medical colleges ,,transfers ,,sale of ap state electriity posts ,,contracts etc and amassed a few thousands of crores ,,when the actual CM returned back from USA to India ,,he has to fight tooth and nail ,,win back the support of MLAS ,,use his coailition partner Govt in New delhi to tell ap state governer to reinstate him back as the ap state CM

2.Anyway he got back his CM post ,,but legend has it ,,that to this day all people who benefitted or got contracts throught the rebel CM as he cleared so many files with a bribe ,,some people praise him and say ,,oh he was so dynamic compared to the other CM ,,he took decisions very quickly

4.That is how rotten we made the system to become ,,even suppoters for unethical CM in one month post who indulged in corruption ,,I will not be surprised even the rebel CM has made a secret pact with Lord Balaji in tirupathi saying if all goes well ,,he will give some token offering in the hundi

that is how we made the system to come down and rot ,,no use blaming on Gandhi or pandit nehru and talking aboout discipline

It is the system that needs to be fixed and JAN LOKPAL bill is the right step in democracy
Posted by:rama anne - 03 Aug, 2011
21:
Hi,
Rama you are talking our great grand paa (Late) NTR. Who does not have vision & mission. Thank god Mr.Babu has taken over CM and done something for state
Nandamoori Gopi Replied to: rama anne - 03 Aug, 2011
22:
No you missed the point
It was Nadendla Bhaskar Rao who toppled the Cm

Late NTR was a great visionary too
Hyd Tankbund ,,Hyd makeiver ,,etc are all his credits
like Roads widening in mehdipatnam ,,Golconda fort makeover
when sri CBN took over ,,he could drive forward with Nasscom policy
rama anne Replied to: Nandamoori Gopi - 03 Aug, 2011
23: Once I was walking on George street in Sydney Australia ,, a sikh gentleman who is visting Australia upon a very breif two or three lines chat made an observattion Dr Manmohan singh is like sri Late Lal Bahadur Shastri soft spoken and non corrupt ,, I have also seen posts about sri Late PVN Rao garu etc
I have seen some posts by Rss people or suppoters about Pandit nehru being a chain smoker and how he romanced or loved women etc

Ok as an Indian I admire and appreciate that Dr Manmohan singh is soft spoken and honest and I do admire sri Late Ll Bahadur Shastriji too ,,but in the end My most Favourite PM is sri Pandit Jawahar Lal Nnehru still why

1.Because of his vision for Public sector like SAIL,,BHEL etc Bear in mind today BHEL is 9th ranked most innovative company in the whole world ,,ranked by a havard and british univ 8 year study

2.He had much better vision about science and education IITs ,,IIMS ,,ISRO etc are all very important to the Indian context and helped india to shine now yes today our IT service sector is his vision bearing fruits

3.Likewise I admire sri late Rajiv why because he dared to dream computers for indian school kids ,,he dared to go with Indian engineers to design and build Asiad 82 stadiums ,,he dared to go with CDOt even when his mom late Indiraji was in a room where ALCATEL execs were telling her Sam pitroda is untested waters and un proven technology
It was Rajiv who coined Mera Bharath Mahaan

so conclusion ,,even personality has some wek points ,,but strong development and vision that makes a difference to Indian people lives I will like that kind of PM ofcourse ,,no corruption ,,being soft spoken ,,sincere ,,godly looking are all least important to me
Posted by:rama anne - 03 Aug, 2011
24:
please correct the sentence what I meant is it is ok with a few personal weak points with no corruption ,,but has good vision and development then Iam for that PM

Soft spoken ,,godliness etc are virtues I will admire as an Indian but not important to me or necessary to me as an voter in India
rama anne Replied to: rama anne - 03 Aug, 2011
25: Sri Rama Linga raju is married ,,has a wife and son ,,visits temples and prays to god as well so do the NRI couples cuaght in america who are doctors ,,pharmacists etc
Do you think KPS Gill sports minister or even A raja or even Sadiq batcha will not do namaz ,,they do it perfectly as prescribed with perfect punctuality and discipline
i will not be surprised if Dawood Ibrahim is cuaght and put in indian jail ,,even he will pray to god as well so does Kasab ,,so does Suresh Kalmadi

2.Look at Suresh kalmadi ,,with a nice tilak and eyes closed with folded hands ,,he looked every bit disciplined and Godly as well did he not

3.Take an example ,,let us say our own Sri Narayana Murthy was on CWG 2010 panel along with Kalmadi and co ,,what would have happened ,,most likely ,,some how mr Murthy frustrated just like with Bangalore Aiport project would have come out ,,or even worse ,,he would have been bullied by others saying ,,mr Murthy can only run software company he does not know how to organise CWG 2010 games ,,so do you think Mr Murthy is not disciolined he is perfectly disciplined ,,it is the system and coming together of like minded corrupt crooks be it under the guise of a minister or IAS or panel member

4.Look at MP ,,RAJASTHAN and yesterday NDTV news about IAS and IPS officers ,,even a female cop who got the job because her husband has died in road accident ,,still indulged in corruption ,,with cash and gold in her bank locker ,,all in lakhs and crores ,,this sort of cases are a million all over India

4.Iam sure all of them do believe GOD ,,perfectly married poeple ,,and disciplined ,,it is not discipline ,,it is the system rigged so much that ,,you either go with it or get transferred and get lost or even worse ,,you will be a looser for not being part of it ,,you retire poor and may be even labelled as loser ,,he did not use his chance when he has power ,,that is what society is made to believe
Posted by:rama anne - 03 Aug, 2011
26:
wat do you want to convey, i think you are firm believer in god, it has nothing to do with lokpal
ravi kiran Replied to: rama anne - 03 Aug, 2011
27: I don't agree with the loophole which is sited above, and i also disagree tat suggestion of 'eminent citizen who has fought against corruption' it is not the single person who fights for corruption, he is just a leader or mentor the real power is the public or strength which supports the move.
Posted by:Sudhir Kumar Hukkeri - 03 Aug, 2011
28:
Correct ,,same way even a MP is single ,,but lakhs vote for him too ,,all lakhs of people who choose a MP do not have a chance to visit Parialment or debate am I correct
rama anne Replied to: Sudhir Kumar Hukkeri - 03 Aug, 2011
29: Is better not to have such nominal and toothless lokpal.. Govt is fooling all of us..
Posted by:Kishor - 03 Aug, 2011
30: Lokpal Bill demanded by Anna Hazare is nothing but to corner power, they can heckle anybody anytime they choose to. There is no guarantee that Lokpal members will not be corrupt. Look at Anna Hazare himself - okay, he may hide behind NGO veil but his political masters are well known. PM, President and Bureaucrats should not come under Lokpal ambit, poorly educated and always favored by politicians - the judiciary should come under Lokpal. When all the Ministries are covered under Lokpal why is the PM required to be covered under the same,, Similar is the argument for Bureaucrats. Again the final concern is what is the guarantee that Lokpal members will not be corrupt and if they are then who will take care of them.
Posted by:JB Padhi - 03 Aug, 2011
31:
Every body should comes under lokpal bill. PM too but he should be bound with some flexible regulation. If govt inteded for jokepal bill. You all indian come with your voice and support strong lokpal bill. After all they are our servant. We are paying for their service. We want to see our India top ranking among all country. The person who opposing anna hazare lokpal bill, they have their personal interest.
Sailendu Replied to: JB Padhi - 03 Aug, 2011
32:
I have seen numerous times ,,you are in the CWG 2010 games too am I correct can you tell us how did corruption happen in the games to start with sir ?

2.Explain to us how Sri Anna Hazare will black mail or take power clearly with examples
he is saying equal representation of Govt sponsored judges plus civil society chosen Judges so what is wrong

The judges chosen are also Supreme Court or Hhigh Court judges too but only people will choose and determine

IS it not the poeple of indian who elect the MPs ,,who in turn elect the PM sir
rama anne Replied to: JB Padhi - 03 Aug, 2011
33: Lokpal bill should be framed under a firm footing. There is no Second class citizen.All Indian Citizen including politicians, MLAs, MPs,Ministers including PM and beaureacrats should be under the purview of the bill.
CongressParty have ruled this copuntry since independence and they could breed only BPL and curruption. Education has not reached majority of the Indians, otherwise, there could have been bloodshed since. It is proven time and again that the Indian politians becomes embodiment of curruption as soon as they gets elected as MLP or MP. Becoming an MLA or MP gives them the licence to amass wealth of the exchequer by corrupt means which is the shortcut to richness.Politicians have become greedy and this needs to be stopped. The best way to reach this goal is to have a lokpal bill with all citizens coming under this embrella and the corrupt are brought to justice.
Posted by:N Harikumar - 03 Aug, 2011
34: Let the entire country go in agitation against corruption. It would truly be a civil war against those in power who define the rules for their own benefits and pockets rather than serving the country/people.

And we mindless souls vote for these bunch of jokers.
Posted by:Ghanshyam - 03 Aug, 2011
35:
Dear me,
I am trying to understand your comments.
But who had advised you to go to Australa for job our Indian government or it was your own decision? Our Government can not take of every Indian staying abroad.
Why you are thinking that our government should protect u.
It is practically impossible.
Protect your self.
Create Indian Groups.
Learn Karate.
Keep Arms with you.
Learn what ever Martial Arts u can.
And If u caNNOT DO THIS THINGS GO TO US BUT MINDWELL THRE IN US MANY INDIANS ARE KILLED BY LOCAL AMERICANS.
TAKE RISK IF U CAN OR COME BACK TO YOUR NATIVE PLACE.
satish karia Replied to: rama anne - 10 Aug, 2011
36:
does our PM have d spine... of wat use high economic growth n power if u can't protect country's interest abroad.. i mean in other countries...
rajesh Replied to: rama anne - 05 Aug, 2011
37:
ya u are rite mate.We should not leave those ppl.At the same time we have to take the steps to prevent the corruption here after.I think u knew,any moment which is done by forcing wouldn't give the perfect solution.Am saying that those ppl sholud be punished and have to create such a system to reduce the corruption from the basic level.Coz we wouldn't get this same momentum may be in the future.This is the time to CORRECT the whole system..
Prabukumar Replied to: rama anne - 04 Aug, 2011
38:
As of the current india scenario Anna is very right.THe lokpal commity should be the combination of the cabinet member,civil socity and judiciary...
jitendra tripathi Replied to: SURESH PANDAY - 04 Aug, 2011
39:
I think, whatever is happening, is because of the people of india. We are ignorent of anything until it affects us personally. We elected this government from last two consecutive elections, so people have a right to suffer for 10 years. Then why good people like Anna and company should give their life for US? Let people suffer, till they bring this government in power, and at last when they realise their mistake, and change the government, they will critisize the new government again to not correcting everything in 5 years. Guys I feel this mess is created by us and please learn to live with it. I am happy that UPA is dipped in corruption and dictatorship. Its a good sign of our success of voting to the right party. I hope one day will come when india will be sold out by people of india (respected representatives of people). Congratulations to all who voted to this government for their personal topic of benefit like secularism. Thinking of religion while voting is anti india. So voting by thinking some party is secular or not, is rubbish. So I am happy that we voted two consecutive elections in the name of secularism, and not values. I am happy that india is a developing contry and will be a developing contry for years to come. Thank you to this government.
indian Replied to: PGI - 04 Aug, 2011
40:
I think, whatever is happening, is because of the people of india. We are ignorent of anything until it affects us personally. We elected this government from last two consecutive elections, so people have a right to suffer for 10 years. Then why good people like Anna and company should give their life for US? Let people suffer, till they bring this government in power, and at last when they realise their mistake, and change the government, they will critisize the new government again to not correcting everything in 5 years. Guys I feel this mess is created by us and please learn to live with it. I am happy that UPA is dipped in corruption and dictatorship. Its a good sign of our success of voting to the right party. I hope one day will come when india will be sold out by people of india (respected representatives of people). Congratulations to all who voted to this government for their personal topic of benefit like secularism. Thinking of religion while voting is anti india. So voting by thinking some party is secular or not, is rubbish. So I am happy that we voted two consecutive elections in the name of secularism, and not values. I am happy that india is a developing contry and will be a developing contry for years to come. Thank you to this government.
indian Replied to: Ved from Victoria Institutions - 04 Aug, 2011
41:
I think, whatever is happening, is because of the people of india. We are ignorent of anything until it affects us personally. We elected this government from last two consecutive elections, so people have a right to suffer for 10 years. Then why good people like Anna and company should give their life for US? Let people suffer, till they bring this government in power, and at last when they realise their mistake, and change the government, they will critisize the new government again to not correcting everything in 5 years. Guys I feel this mess is created by us and please learn to live with it. I am happy that UPA is dipped in corruption and dictatorship. Its a good sign of our success of voting to the right party. I hope one day will come when india will be sold out by people of india (respected representatives of people). Congratulations to all who voted to this government for their personal topic of benefit like secularism. Thinking of religion while voting is anti india. So voting by thinking some party is secular or not, is rubbish. So I am happy that we voted two consecutive elections in the name of secularism, and not values. I am happy that india is a developing contry and will be a developing contry for years to come. Thank you to this government.
indian Replied to: TR Khunte - 04 Aug, 2011
42:
I think, whatever is happening, is because of the people of india. We are ignorent of anything until it affects us personally. We elected this government from last two consecutive elections, so people have a right to suffer for 10 years. Then why good people like Anna and company should give their life for US? Let people suffer, till they bring this government in power, and at last when they realise their mistake, and change the government, they will critisize the new government again to not correcting everything in 5 years. Guys I feel this mess is created by us and please learn to live with it. I am happy that UPA is dipped in corruption and dictatorship. Its a good sign of our success of voting to the right party. I hope one day will come when india will be sold out by people of india (respected representatives of people). Congratulations to all who voted to this government for their personal topic of benefit like secularism. Thinking of religion while voting is anti india. So voting by thinking some party is secular or not, is rubbish. So I am happy that we voted two consecutive elections in the name of secularism, and not values. I am happy that india is a developing contry and will be a developing contry for years to come. Thank you to this government.
indian Replied to: rama anne - 04 Aug, 2011
43:
I think, whatever is happening, is because of the people of india. We are ignorent of anything until it affects us personally. We elected this government from last two consecutive elections, so people have a right to suffer for 10 years. Then why good people like Anna and company should give their life for US? Let people suffer, till they bring this government in power, and at last when they realise their mistake, and change the government, they will critisize the new government again to not correcting everything in 5 years. Guys I feel this mess is created by us and please learn to live with it. I am happy that UPA is dipped in corruption and dictatorship. Its a good sign of our success of voting to the right party. I hope one day will come when india will be sold out by people of india (respected representatives of people). Congratulations to all who voted to this government for their personal topic of benefit like secularism. Thinking of religion while voting is anti india. So voting by thinking some party is secular or not, is rubbish. So I am happy that we voted two consecutive elections in the name of secularism, and not values. I am happy that india is a developing contry and will be a developing contry for years to come. Thank you to this government.
indian Replied to: Biplab Kumar Biswal - 04 Aug, 2011
44:
I think, whatever is happening, is because of the people of india. We are ignorent of anything until it affects us personally. We elected this government from last two consecutive elections, so people have a right to suffer for 10 years. Then why good people like Anna and company should give their life for US? Let people suffer, till they bring this government in power, and at last when they realise their mistake, and change the government, they will critisize the new government again to not correcting everything in 5 years. Guys I feel this mess is created by us and please learn to live with it. I am happy that UPA is dipped in corruption and dictatorship. Its a good sign of our success of voting to the right party. I hope one day will come when india will be sold out by people of india (respected representatives of people). Congratulations to all who voted to this government for their personal topic of benefit like secularism. Thinking of religion while voting is anti india. So voting by thinking some party is secular or not, is rubbish. So I am happy that we voted two consecutive elections in the name of secularism, and not values. I am happy that india is a developing contry and will be a developing contry for years to come. Thank you to this government.
indian Replied to: Biplab Kumar Biswal - 04 Aug, 2011
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The point is every party is same. You cannot banish or boycott a single party. And more over the electoral system here is made such that it runs on Caste, Creed and Dynasty not on the merits of the person or manifesto. No one mids weather the manifesto promises are fulfilled are not.
satish Replied to: R Prasanna Krishnan - 04 Aug, 2011
46:
very good conversion with support of facts to prove eachother....
ravi kiran Replied to: rama anne - 03 Aug, 2011
47:
Satish Google BHEL worlds 9th most innovative company you will get the article that is the only company in fortune 1000 companies ranked by a combined study of Harvard plus British univ professors for 8 years
rama anne Replied to: satish - 03 Aug, 2011
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Satish
IIts are not ranked in the top world wide not because they are not good ,,it is because context and parameters are different ,,they are not set up like stanfords ,,oxfords and cambridge etc ,,they are setup to create quality engineers to build new independent India in all engg like railways ,,dams ,,steel companies etc

2.it is the poeple who followed pandit nehru ,,and formed govt with cabinet that lacked vision to reform IIts as a full fledged univ with R and D blame them

3.I agree sri PVN Rao garu is a good statesman and infact iam proud of him as he is from AP ,,I also give him credit for reforms but still hold my reservation ,,Reforms were not initaited as a vision ,,they were initiated when almost Balance of payments are due and GOLD was cargo lifted to Bank of England

4.As per your UNIX stuff ,,yes you are correct about Univ of Berkley did it ,,but guess what today India is just only a very few countries to have SUPER COMPUTERS indigeniously designed and develped ,,ISRO ,,TATA ,,CDAC etc all have such Super Computers etc
We did not do UNIX ,,but I will bet ,,Today Infy or TCS OR Wipro or HCl can easily do a new OS from linux kernel
they will not do it for the sake of it ,,real need should arise like for example Indian armed forces want a Indian only known OS from scratch for cyber security Iam sure any of the Big Four IT sector companies will do it
rama anne Replied to: satish - 03 Aug, 2011
49:
Full toss I agree with you on corruption
But we do not have time for 20 years ,,in long term telling kids to be disciplined is good
But Todays India ,,once in a 1000 yrs opportunity to eliminate poverty and improve standard of living and we should act with Jan Lok Pal bill
rama anne Replied to: Fulltoss - 03 Aug, 2011
50:
Me too agree with this.Some civil war should happen against the corrupt politicians and everyone should be punished.
Ram Replied to: Ant-corrupt Indian - 03 Aug, 2011
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Most rapes ,,adultery ,,are also committed perfectly looking normal couples ,,look in USA WHEN they busted NRIs it tutrns out they are normal couples Doctors,,pharmacists etc who rigged medicare etc ,,it is human greed ,,do not associate with hindu or Indian it is wrong because even Americans ,,yes plenty are also in Insurance scams too
rama anne Replied to: rama anne - 03 Aug, 2011
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I completely disagree with you for the following reasons let me give examples

1.In Australia where I live corruption happened in Strathfield Council ,,Wollongong Council and Queensland state govt ,,do you think it happened because there are no churches or temples in Australia or lack of good catholic schools ,,no it happened with collusion of same interest and mindset poeple within an system that facilitates such deeds ,,so it is abuse of power combined with greed of contractor and others that will make it take the shape

2.Also ,,watch carefully ,,just politics in India ,,some or most minorities will immediately associate BJP with religion but look carefully in CWG scam ,,2G spectrum scam

Sports Minsiter is KPS Gill a sikh gentle man
Suresh kalmadi a hindu ,,IAS officers from south Tamil Nnadu ,,east and west ,,Contractors from all parts of India

Did they fight as religion
was there any thing like Maratha vs Bihari
Telangana vs Andhra North vs south vs east vs west
why not ? we see everyday in the media some stuff about the above ,,but why did Sadiq Batcha commit a questionable suicide ,,a raja from south ,,Shahid Balwa etc analyse and see the picture

For Corruption it does not matter no north ,,no south ,,no religion nothing ,,they do not even fight ,,they just rig the system and share the spoils

Do you think A Raja does not believ in GOD ,,actually he does Do you think Rama Linga Raju does not visit temples and gives gods offering he does plenty ,,do you think he is play boy ,,no he is a perfect family man with a wife and son

yet Corruption has happened ,,discipline is good and works in an environment that is conducive ,,if for example Narayana Murthy was on CWG panel ,,he would have come out frustrated mid way through or the other corrupt poeple in the panel would have pushed him out saying he does not know sports he only knows software company
rama anne Replied to: Fulltoss - 03 Aug, 2011
53:
in India there are two kinds of corruption Institutional amd Individual types In Institutional types like CWG 2010 ,,contracts ,,2G spectrum every person whether from Sikh or Hindu or Muslim or North or South or east or west of india all come together with only one purspose to rig the system and share the spoils ,,they will cover each other as a grp ,,they will not have other agenda except to do corruption Even in Australia ,,too Strathfield ,,Wollongong councils ,,Queensland state govt minister have all done corruption

Coming to the individual corruption ,,In India it happens due to a variety of reasons Ok Traffic Cop takes money for lack of license plate or license ,,sometimes he is taking the bribe ,,sometimes the guilty person is offering ,,the amount is small between two persons but there is a big if to be considered ,,India is not yet fully developed like west ,,that means no social security net ,,some times inflatory pressure like Rent in the city ,,or sometimes he is just greedy ,,this corruption can be taken care of once we fix institutional corruption ,,we can bring discipline at the bottom and automatically the consciousness will seep in at the lowest level ,,we can do rental allownace etc and give no excuse for traffic cop to take a bribe ,,but this can be fixed and not dangerous
It is the collusion of Ias ,,politician and the contracter that is dangerous ,,project beyond schedule ,,poor quality and delivery which will rob the nation of jobs and progress
rama anne Replied to: rama anne - 03 Aug, 2011
54:
Stop associating Christian connection
First of all one Late CM who converted to Christianity and has a son in law who is a pastor also indulged in corruption

Do not coat religious color to corruption
India is left high and dry after independence ,,the first set of Freedom Fighters were good and fought for independence and sacrificed entire lives for it
The first generation leaders put country before themselves
after that the rot has started Brokers ,,criminals ,,mafia IAS and IFS entered in an environment that is slowly getting murkier day by day
Those who swam in the murkier corruption waters shared the spoils with the others in all sorts of deals
Those who cannot are termed as losers or incompetent people who cannot earn money ,,system was taken to that extent

rama anne Replied to: Cyriac Kandathil - 03 Aug, 2011
55:
dear mr. kamallochan bhadra, if you want to give such speech then you should go to any political article. this is about lokpal and you finished your thought on NOTHING. you didn't even try to use the word LOKPAL then why you are wasting you time and ours too......
Balwan Singh Replied to: KAMALLOCHAN BHADRA - 03 Aug, 2011
56:
Its just a joke to the Nation. We are never going to change.
Prasanth nair Replied to: Cyriac Kandathil - 03 Aug, 2011
57:
Agreed Ashish. The Civil war bomb is ticking in India and may explode any time like the one happened in Middle east. I will be the happiest person in India if uprising like the one happened in Middle east which is the only way to eliminate all corrupted people, criminals, extremists, politicians blah blah.. Awaiting Civil war bomb explosion in India!
Ant-corrupt Indian Replied to: Ashish - 03 Aug, 2011
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