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'MBA graduates led the world into recession'
By   siliconindia news bureau
Thursday,26 March 2009, 00:16 hrs
Washington: In the past 20 years, the Master of Business Administration (MBA) factories created the conditions that helped land the global economy in the current mess, writes Bloomberg columnist Matthew Lynn. He also suggests that the business schools should be shut down.

Business schools legitimized a pseudo-scientific approach, promoted a mechanistic management style and formed a managerial elite more interested in rewards than producing lasting wealth for the economies they operate in.



Richard Fuld, who was CEO of Lehman Brothers Holdings at the time of its collapse, has an MBA from New York University. John Thain, the former CEO of Merrill Lynch, is a graduate of Harvard Business School. Christopher Cox, the former chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, has an MBA from Harvard University.

In Europe, Andy Hornby, CEO of British bank HBOS, is another Harvard Business School product. HBOS had to be bailed out in a merger with Lloyds Banking Group and then both had to be rescued by the U.K. government. Peter Wuffli, who as CEO, presided over the huge losses that took Zurich-based UBS AG to the brink of disaster, studied management at Switzerland's University of St Gallen.

If these business leaders were not able to spot the flaws in the businesses they were running, one has to look into the matter of what business and management schools had been teaching them.

The schools promoted a quasi-scientific approach to business, sermonizing that everything could be nailed down in a textbook, and encouraged students to believe that running a company could be mastered by anyone. The entire private-equity industry is founded on that principle. And also, all the intellectual tools that led us into the financial meltdown were largely invented within academia. Complex models for pricing risk created the market for the options and derivatives contracts that have caused so much trouble in the past year.

But, management in reality is a skill that is acquired through experience, judgment and flair. Billions are about to be wasted relearning a simple fact that should never have been forgotten.

The business schools took some mysterious risk and tried to make it as easy to count as peas in a pod. By doing so, they encouraged a whole generation of young men and women to go into investment banking armed with the belief that they had mastered risk. But the truth turned out to be different.

The author pins the growth of business schools to the situation where the economy contracts and jobless bankers seek to boost their qualifications. The people who steered the global economy onto the rocks in the past year all benefited from the finest management education that money can buy.

However, Lynn admits that it is unfair to assign all blame to business schools. Over the last three decades, taking an MBA has become just another qualification, a hoop to be jumped through on your way to getting a good job on Wall Street, or in London or Zurich's financial centers.

     
   
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1: If we all take a deeper look at the above written article, we will realize that the writer contradicts his own statements.

Here it goes….

According to Bloomberg columnist Matthew Lynn, “Management in reality is a skill that is acquired through experience, judgment and flair.”

If we agree to this statement then the question arises, whether these above mentioned CEOs (Richard Fuld of Lehman Brothers Holdings, John Thain of Merrill Lynch, Christopher Cox of the Securities and Exchange Commission, Andy Hornby of British bank HBOS, Peter Wuffli of UBS AG) of various financial groups were made CEO directly after graduating from these prestigious institutes? We all know the answer to this question…..

These individuals have slogged day in and out and proved themselves over others time and again to be at this pinnacle. They all have the right experience, judgment and flair for the business.

However, one should understand that in business, at times you are forced to take decisions to stay in floating in the market. These decisions are ‘high risk - high return’ types, which are calculated depending upon the past, present and predicted trends of the market….. And one should never forget that predictions are one amongst the hundred possibilities which can go wrong even after calculated risk.

Did Mikhail Kalashnikov know that his invention (AK-47) would be the biggest curse to the mankind?

Rest is up to you to decide….
Posted by: Rohan Patil - 30 Mar, 2009
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2: I agree with the last part of the article, which says that B schools promote a robotic kind of thinking. You can't TEACH a person to be a good manager..that comes out of practice (experience) and practice alone..especially since most management involves managing people (directly or indirectly). Maybe then Psych majors will make better managers..

While getting an MBA is definitely a good thing..it has turned into more of a commodity over the past 10 years or so, with B schools churning out MBA's by the hundreds every year. If you look closely, very few B schools actually equip students with real life skills. Most go with a generic approach, blanket curriculum and so called "management fundas". I guess THAT's what led to a largo number of MBA's being part of the recession creators.

Posted by: Yadu - 30 Mar, 2009
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3: I fully DISAGREE with what is mentioned. I am also an MBA. MBA teaches how to manage a business but it does not and can not teach what to manage. Let me explain with an example. I was a student of Masters. I was thrilled with marketing teacher's explanations and wanted him to lead us a group of people to start a International trading company. He just said "I am like a train driver who knows where is the gradiant, curve, bridge and station etc. I can pose a problem and also give a solution, because it is class room not a market place, running a business is like piloting a plane. Once it is off the ground it is the intution and skills based on the knowledge only can drive safely till landing. No one can predict what is in the sky and as and when the problem creeps up solution has to be found. Every thing is safe till some thing comes then every thig is uncertain and risky. The current situation has similarity to this.
Why did the author praise MBAs when for the last 10 years the economy was boyant. Yes they may have failed now in certain areas.
It is not the just MBAs and their studies, Look at India it is fundamentally strong even now, why?. I feel there is lot to do more than just knowledge, it is also the CULTURE. Indians are much stronger than most of the west in the present condition. It is because Indians live on future hope and on yesterdays money, but west lives on y'days experience and future money.
Posted by: udaya prakasha - 30 Mar, 2009
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4:interesting observation but exactly did you mean by It is because Indians live on future hope and on yesterdays money, but west lives on y'days experience and future money, Udaya Prakash?
 ramdas replied to: udaya prakasha 
 post - 30 Mar, 2009
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5: correct!
Posted by: Bill  - 30 Mar, 2009
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6: Both you two are right
Posted by: Bill  - 30 Mar, 2009
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7: its right.I am an MBA oxford, and regret to say we are well trained in all directions, so which direction wins is where the economy is
Posted by: faria - 30 Mar, 2009
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8:u r right
 rouvella replied to: faria 
 post - 30 Mar, 2009
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9: when Ram was young, price-tags were less, they kept increasing as Ram grew.. when ram will die, Price-tags will also stop existing..? this article build similar foolish hypothesis..
All these MBAs also passed nursery and then primay classes.
All those who faultered didn't had MBA but, they all had primary education.. does this means Primary passed people led the world into recession?
Posted by: Vikrant Ingle - 30 Mar, 2009
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10: Why blame the MBA's, They have their Certificates true, But do all have their heads over shoulders? Doubtful, & hence they have Created the pseudo greed & helped inflate the values of all products through their unwaranted skills.Hence the situation now. Today none can realy sell anything without deflating the premium the product is carriying. But again, No one wants to loose out by giving out the real numbers. Was this situation not created by the MBA's,& out of their unwaranted marketing strategies.
Posted by: Hombelaku - 30 Mar, 2009
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11: Yes I agree with above....MBA comes after some existence of the invention and something after discovery....wihtout that, they sshould know first how tomanage themselves and later better to know how to improve their own skills.......
Posted by: Mnm - 27 Mar, 2009
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12: Which idiot wrote this news? Am sure the guy who wrote this wont be having an MBA
Posted by: arun - 27 Mar, 2009
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13:exactly the sort of reaction one expects from the mba types..
 mmat replied to: arun 
 post - 27 Mar, 2009
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14: As per my point of view u can't blame for MBA...........At present time everyone doing MBA because they want to improve their Managemnt Skills.....but the most important point is that the whole MBA programme whatever u gain it's very important....that's the experience shows that in an organisation....
Posted by: Abhishek - 27 Mar, 2009
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15: Yes i agree with above.. it cannot be entirely blamed on MBA graduates or rather say it this way that its not the MBA graduates but the MBA course. In India anyone can earn a management degree at about the age of 25 but the question is, are these young minds ready to face the real world? They lack experience and urge to earn big money makes them feel that earning an MBA is a soul aim of life but its no fault of theirs. Certain criteria needs to be set up for these courses like X years of experience or minimum age limit.
Posted by: Pawan - 26 Mar, 2009
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16: The culprit is not MBA - it's GREED.
Posted by: Frank A Hilario - 26 Mar, 2009
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17:i have to agree with you frank
 chare replied to: Frank A Hilario 
 post - 30 Mar, 2009
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18: “If you don’t know what you are looking for,you’ll never know when you find it” Manred Siebler....... Leadership is all about a) Focus to acheive b)Mobilize to impact c) Sustain momentum and d)Passion for excellence....... I dont think that MBA's teach you all these..... One needs a mix of educational background to understand this and years of field experience...... I happen to be a SENIOR Strategist.... So if u want to experience realities in different aspects of different industries then please team up with me and we could write white papers for these professionals to understand the new world.......

Contact me at rolando@saudi.net.sa
Posted by: Rolando - 26 Mar, 2009
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19: Not surprising! - India is even worse as even drivers opt for a MBA. Leadership skills are not available off the shelf! - anyway, if everybody has an MBA it's losing its exclusivity: so what's next (invent another attractive useless paper)...
Posted by: Manfred Siebler - 26 Mar, 2009
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20:In India even drivers are talented and capable enough to do MBA.
Where are you from Manfred? how many people do MBA in your country?
 Vikrant replied to: Manfred Siebler 
 post - 30 Mar, 2009
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21:Manfred
You should be an MBA grad that's y he is making such loose statements. No one talks about any country in particular except you.
So please be aware of what you are saying and commenting on.
your comment - Drivers opt for an MBA
i don't thik there's anything wrong in it and if you feel so , who cares.

I honestly second Orlando's comments -
India is a country that we Europeans have to learn from its experience.....Dont underestimate -




 sam Marg replied to: Manfred Siebler 
 post - 26 Mar, 2009
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22:Manfred

Refrain your self from making unreasonable comments....... With due respects to you..... India is a country that we Europeans have to learn from its experience.....
Dont underestimate.......
 Rolando replied to: Manfred Siebler 
 post - 26 Mar, 2009
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23:Manfred Siebler said: 'even drivers opt for a MBA'
Appears that you believe drivers are not talented. One must understand it’s not only talent but other factors (like money, environment, guidance and a perfect combination of such factors) which help people reach heights of success. It’s not very hard to find talented people running a taxi in a poor country like India due to lack of resources. Your example is poor and if I were a driver I will wish you get well soon.
 Manu replied to: Manfred Siebler 
 post - 26 Mar, 2009
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24: Real estate business and easy financing in auto and housing is responsible for this recession for which private banks are responsible who hired these guys who had no working experience but manupulated the returns for getting finance from these banks while achieving the targets. Now every third person is real estate agent because of easy money resulting in more deals.
Posted by: Ashok Aggarwal - 26 Mar, 2009
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25: Please don't denigrate all MBA's most of whom use common akkal to enhance their objective skill sets and know that "hedging" means to REDUCE risk, not INCREASE it.

The major banks and Wall Street firms have typically hired MBA's from the Ivy League schools, and Stanford, Wharton and MIT almost exclusively. It is these MBAs that have apparently lost their way and engaged in the most absurd techniques which violate the fundamentals of economics and finance. We call these "Akkal ka dushman" in Jabalpur where I come from:-))

For example, sub-prime loans, no down payment loans, 100% plus loans, interest only loans - all of which assume a constantly rising real estate market, when any MBA with more than half a brain should know that we have BUSINESS CYCLES in the USA. The only question is whether the cycle is going to be the traditional three to four years or the more recent seven to eight years.

There are almost 9,459 banks in the USA with assets of at least $100 million, and only a small handful who screwed up, big time, and President Obama and his teleprompter are bailing them out with taxpayer money, which any MBA with common sense would know is rewarding stupidity, because over 9,000 of our banks did not engage in stupid practices and do not need to be bailed out.

Just think about it, banking is the SIMPLEST business to run of ANY business. You accept deposits and pay a lower interest than what you can invest that money for. You lend money and charge a higher interest. You cash checks, which is basically book-keeping. In between you go to lunch and play golf. Khalas, as we say in Mumbai. No bank that uses common sense as part of its philosophy should EVER get into financial trouble.

Now, from these eminently sensible comments I'm sure you can tell that I belong to the common sense variety of regional MBAs who live in the real world, not the snobbish Ivy League type who have now put all of us in the crapper:-))

And you saw Banking-101 reduced to a few pithy sentences:-))
Posted by: Mario from Jabalpur - 26 Mar, 2009
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26:Very well said Mario. Someone has to be blamed. Two people who are at the power centers - politicians & Finance guys(MBA,CA,ACS,etc). Can't blame politicians alone because a politician cannot plunder & cheat alone. He is backed by IAS, IRS, lawyers, accountants,auditors, etc. Esp in india where majority of the politicians are uneducated. Even an educated politician cannot handle accounting or book-keeping/cooking alone. They only want to know "Money? How much? where from? How to & how safe? Can't blame them. Greed if prevalent everywhere and everyone is prone to it. But the MBA,CAs,ACSs,etc are trained with the know-how & the know-why for finance & law. Its impossible for black-money or hawala or any such system to exist without these fellas. They are either the source or facilitators and politicians and beaurocrats are the medium or vice-versa(beaurocrats & politicians act as the source and the like). But these guys are at the helm of pyramid. So which one to blame. Recently World Bank applauded RBI's regulations & efforts as the reason for India current status & growth during such period. True Dr.Manmohan Singh also had many a thing to do with it, especially the power sector. But policy makers(people at the top of the pyramid) have a huge information advantage which they use to make/drain money. Even in this information age, this is still possible. One good example is the recent Bernard Madeoff's Ponzi scam at the very center of Wall Street,USA. Blame whomever you want, do the people know their finance and economics. We don't even know the economics and financials of our everyday activities. Till we grow in this area(financial education and awareness about economics), anybody & anything who comes by tomorrow can cheat let alone politicians/MBAs/auditors/Laywers.
 Veera replied to: Mario from Jabalpur 
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27: This is news and at the same time it is the old mans song : for some it might be bad news - for the many it might at least declare the quality level of processes going around this globe
Posted by: sace - 26 Mar, 2009
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28:ya that right
 ravi replied to: sace 
 post - 26 Mar, 2009
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29: This is bad news.
Posted by: suresh - 26 Mar, 2009
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30:how cud it b
 kamal replied to: suresh 
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31: ya how could it be
 don the man replied to:  kamal 
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32: yes how could it be
 mike replied to:  kamal 
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33: Good question- why blame MBA guys. I dont think that is very true in its entirety.
Although I agree that MBAs basically learn everything , gobble it up and what they learn usually has no significance to what they do. Tell me which education ever made you learn something on the job. Anyway , But entirely blaming MBAs is foolish. The Education is no question a farce, but MBAs and recession are not connected .

The main reason is Greed and the man made recession and bailout plans. Welcome to the new world order! You will see a lot of new things. Brace for disasters you never thought of.
Posted by: F up - 26 Mar, 2009
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34: Am sure Don is having an MBA as his boss or he didnt pass his masters
Posted by: Badsha - 26 Mar, 2009
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35:ya sures
 anil replied to: Badsha 
 post - 26 Mar, 2009
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36:ya sure..
 ron replied to: Badsha 
 post - 26 Mar, 2009
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37: This is so very true. MBA Graduates do not have the necessary knowledge nor skills to perform in the capacity in which they have been hired. Giving top jobs to MBA graduates is like accepting High School Graduates as Managers. The MBA schools do not teach real world management. They only present a series of case studies. In addition, the schools seem to base their sucess on the amount of money graduates get, not on how the graduates are performing on the job. This is a huge mistake.

Now that the world is in such deep trouble, maybe business will understand that having an MBA is not the cure all it once was thought to be. After graduation, every MBA should serve two years at low level positions to get to understand the company and its service/product. A two year stint would also give the MBA a good grounding in the corporate culture.

We also need to stop paying these MBA's so much money up front and let them earn their way by showing pre-determined levels of proficiencies. If they can not demostrate good and sound business judements, then they need to hit the street before they can do too much damage.
Posted by: Don - 26 Mar, 2009
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38: Why MBA's only. When any rocket fails or any space shuttle met with any accident should the BE Colleges be closed. If yes then NASA needs to closed for the death of Sunita Williams.
Posted by: sudhi - 26 Mar, 2009
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39:hey sunita williams is still alive it's kalpana chawla who died.....but your point is well taken....
 nitesh replied to: sudhi 
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40: Its not just MBA grads but the greed of the top level management guys that led to this situation.
Posted by: Ashwin - 26 Mar, 2009
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41:i agree you fully
 archana replied to: Ashwin 
 post - 26 Mar, 2009
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42: I dont understand Why MBA students should bare all these F ups.... If MBA students drive this then all Engineers and SW.. Dr. all other people are brainless.. and only MBA guys takes this situation.. Utter Nonsense..........
Because of MBA guys .. atleast the recession took a level to stand.. Else all these people who comments on MBAs will be having a Plate in their hands for BEGGING...

I know what Im writing here is rude..
But why such SENSELESS POSTs are accepted in the social sites...
 Parthasarathi  replied to:  archana 
 post - 26 Mar, 2009
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43: Management institutes have one aim, make money. And to get admission there, you need to have NRI parents. And still these MBAs led us to down turn. GREAT
Posted by: Gagan - 26 Mar, 2009
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44:What is this,why find a scape goat?Recession is a cyclic process which resurfaces after a period of 10 or 20 years and it has been happenning in modern history during last two centuries.When a person joins an organisation,at that time he is an MBA,and goes to the top only after his performance.It is corruption that may have led to this situation and not a university degree.And let us concentrate our energy more on some meaningful work rather than spending on this topic.
 Gautam replied to: Gagan 
 post - 26 Mar, 2009
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45: BTW. This recession is not a cyclical one, but a structural change... This article may be partially true where getting an MBA from Harvard or top school gives a manager overconfidence and the manager thinks that what s/he doing is correct...
 Shashank Agrawal replied to:  Gautam 
 post - 26 Mar, 2009
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46: thanks for the input.
 Gautam  replied to: Shashank Agrawal 
 post - 27 Mar, 2009
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47: MBA like any other discipline is knowledge from theory and experience documented over centuries. In MBA you are provided with theories,tools and techniques that worked in the past to analyze situations from multiple perpective and take a decision taht is appropriate. One can generally say that if one goes to driving school you learn various aspects involved with driving and you are told how to handle different situations.While the driver training does not substitute the real driving experience, you can't say that you became bad driver because of training or that you let people drive the cars on the roads without any training (if not testing). Bankruptcies haven not happened only after invention of Business schools, not all the businesses run by MBAs have gone bankrupt.
Having goone through an MBA from a very good school,being a manager for long time in India and living in US currently I can only say that it is the greed of share holders that puts the pressure on CEOs and those who don't have the guts to withstand the pressure yield and take short term decisions.
Don't blame business schools for what they impart.Blame those CEOs as individulas with out spine being unable to withstand share holder pressures from taking right decisions.
 Vivek  replied to: Gautam 
 post - 29 Mar, 2009
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48:well said Gautham. You have used the term Stake Holder. I appreciate that. The CEO of a company is liable to secure the trust of stake holders and he should pave the path towards that. He must make all his team to work towards this objective.

For this he must have leadership qualities, that every one accept with this. Leadership qualities do not come with MBA, that is sure. MBA is just like a certificate that, we have mastered with some sort of skills. If we dont have the skills, how we can master them?

so we should not blame MBAs at any point. If we have to blame then blame those people who donot have basic skills required for any business man.

Now a days we are finding people with no vision, ethics, and individuality, learning MBA. So, whats use in that Learning MBA with out these traits?

Here is a suggestion from me, to those who ever want to do MBA,
First get the clear vision of your future, and set the goal.
Second, estimate the risks associated with your way in reaching the set goal and design the remedies for them.
third, develop ethics inside you.
fourth, Learn how to respect the people and nature and this universe, this develops your personality, and make other people respect you.

Finally, be little bit selfih, not at the cost of doing harm to others.

If you believ that you have these qualities then opt for MBA.

Finally, I want to conclude that, this is not the Fault of MBA degree, it is entirely the fault of people with out the above mentioned skills. After all MBA help us to master these skills and teach us how to use them in our respective business.

That is up to the person, how to use his skill set.
 ram  replied to: Vivek  
 post - 31 Mar, 2009
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49: man,,u spurted out the right information,,,,dude
cheers,,,,,,
iam in the same situation dude,,,,,,,,just in the MBA,,,,but no goals,,,,,man,,that is so sick feling,,,,iam doing injustice,,,to anothr guy,,,who deserves,,this place,,,,but now that i have realised i will make use of my oppurtunity,,,thanks man,,
cheers
 lakshman  replied to: ram 
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50:v
 vvvf  replied to: Vivek  
 post - 29 Mar, 2009
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