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Is it worthwhile to hire non-techies for techies' work?

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Is it worthwhile to hire non-techies for techies' work?
Bangalore: With the new trend being set up by IT firms to hire non-techies to do techies' work, it seems that working hard at engineering colleges for 3-4 years to enter this field is worthless. In the last few months, it is noticed that many of the Indian IT companies such as TCS, Wipro and Infosys are turning towards non engineering graduates for the same work that engineering graduates have been doing for long.

For instance, Nandini Sahay is currently working in one of the Indian IT firms as a Software Engineer after completing her BA degree in History and one year certificate course in computer programming. It might be a dream comes true for this village girl Nandini, whose parents feed their stomachs by earning from agriculture field in the remote area of Andhra Pradesh, but at the same time, these IT firms need to think of those millions of engineering graduates, who have worked hard for 3-4 years to enter this field, are sitting idle to get better opportunities. One of the many students, who are feeling the heat of this new trend, is Gaurav Jain, B.Tech/B.E. student at Malviya National Institute of Technology, Jaipur. He said, "If it is possible to train one person in just six months or one year then why engineers are taught for four years?"

So the big question - will these hiring of non-techies affect the quality of work? Mahalakshmi Subramanium, QA/QC Manager, Genpact said, "I think yes. It will affect the quality. Normally an IT graduate undergoes 3-4 years of training to become a professional. If that education is given to a non-IT graduate in just one year or six months, it's obvious that they won't be taught everything due to which their basics won't be strong and they won't be able to perform as nicely as a properly trained IT graduate can do. Even with techies, project success rate is less than 25 percent. With non techies, they are intending to smash it to zero."

But all these firms who are hiring these non-techies believe that quality of the work will not be affected by hiring non-engineering graduates, as these non-techies are being hired for testing software applications and managing computer infrastructure, in order to do more with fewer staff and at lower wages than computer engineers.

It is believed that from nearly 10 percent of their current workforce, non-engineering graduates could account for nearly 20-25 percent of the staff at companies such as TCS, Wipro and HCL, over the next one to two years. The IT company like Cognizant already has almost 20 percent of its global workforce who are non-engineering graduates. Speaking on this issue, Amitava Roy, Chief Operating Officer, Symphony Services said, "Hiring non-techies might work for some of the IT companies, but as far as Symphony Services is concerned; our work requires the expertise and knowledge of technical engineers. Candidates from non engineering background do not fit into our framework of expertise required and hence the hiring model." Even Srini Rajam, Chairman and CEO, Ittiam Systems agrees with Roy and said, "It's not right way to build any company. One company gains more value by differentiation of knowledge come from competition."

Some of the experts feel that basically this step is being taken by companies to cut the costs and increase the employment across the country. Normally, an Indian IT firm pays 2-4 lakh per annum to an engineering graduate, but when they hire any non-engineering graduate, they just pay 80,000 - 1,50,000. Nandini has got the package of 90,000 per annum. One of the officials of an IT major said, "It's not everything about cutting cost. In the last few years, skill mix has changed because of a fundamental shift in sourcing behaviour - customers sourcing a broader range of services, including BPO/KPO. So, we hire according to that need."

Now, it is to be seen that these IT firms understand the real value of an engineering graduate or keep hiring non-techies in near future also, as it is possible for only these IT biggies to train non-techies to do techies' work, not the smaller firms.

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Posted by:sdgdg - 09 Dec, 2011
2: The typical work of Indian IT services company hardly requires any real technology education. It is not so
difficult and doesn't require knowledge of any core
engineering subjects. Such IT services jobs are not
good match for engineering graduates. But just because
there is money in such jobs people opt for this in the
first place. So why should these guys have any objection
when others also join the bandwagon? If someone is so
concerned about one's engineering degree then he should
join some company that would have any use of his engineering
knowledge. Most IT services companies don't habe any use
of core engineering knowledge. Programming is something any
tom ,dick and harry can do. So if people are making money
by doing it why should anyone have any problem.

Companies don't pay salaries as a reward for your 4 years
of hard work. It is corporate world. It is all about demand
and supply. Companies pay you do get the job done. And if
the job is such that even some BA graduate can easily do then they willl get it too.

So my message to engineers is that if you are so hurt then
better do work for some company which can really challenge
your brain...go work for Microsoft, Google, Yahoo. But that
you will not dare to do. You will keep fussing over Wipro,
TCS etc.
Posted by:Deepak - 11 May, 2010
3:
Dear all its not the matter of the issues mentioned here.
The issues are:
WHEN I HAVE ACHIEVED A DEGREE I ALL THE RIGHTS TO GET THE JOB I WISH TO .
Here it should be noted -I dont care whether I deserve it or not?
India has rare opportunities still not abundantly available where the core knowledge of engineering is the requirement of the job and its true even for IT.
Well then I guess Indians have golden chance of starting there own company to answer this issue.
But this would require enterprising skills.
Well best of all India sooner or later this is the reality.
Saurabh Bhatnagar Replied to: Deepak - 14 May, 2010
4: If so called engineer's with junk degres in branches like mining, polymer ,leather tech,paint tech,etc can work in IT , so can any other person.These people merely study 1-2 papers in all of 4 years , realted to computers and jump into IT , as their own fields are hopeless.It is but right for IT companies to kick such junk engineers out and hire science grads at lower salaries.As for some people mentioning the "engineering mindset" , that is total crap.all these fellow learn in 4 years is how to do mugging along with copy & paste.
Posted by:Rahul - 05 May, 2010
5: We are trying to create differentiation betwenn techies & non-techies rather than coming to the reason behind that.
The reason is that we have ample of both options available & we should choose as per the demand of the profile. Undoubtly, if we try to train a car driver to drive a bus, he may take some time or he might not even drive & run away, but a person who has the knowledge & even a slight exposure, he will definitely go for it. In my opinion, we have to see the potential, skills & also should mantain the standards of the organisation.
Posted by:Vishal - 04 May, 2010
6:
Dear why dont we accept the reality that companies have seniors to guide the passionate workers who are non-techies.
But there is different scenario to the issue.There are processes and theories which needs to mapped into the software package (ERP, New Dimension or otherwise)where the people who have experienc ein the field are the best and the first choice to be hired for a large number of posts.
Softwares over the ages have developed to be packages ready to installed just after mapping and configuring the business processes into them and thus have reduced scope for techies.
And please note day-by-day the industry is moving completely towards that.Thus start ups should be thought of too.

Well hope India sees amazingly innovative and technology orriented enterprises soon.World needs peace and India needs to device methods for that and this where the engineers have opportunities.
Saurabh Replied to: Vishal - 14 May, 2010
7: actually u are really underestimating the indian educational standards. u guys hav tremendous resources than v have, bt still u 4got that most of the companies like ibm, intel etc have the indian mindforce that keeps them going. indians are smart,bright and hardworking too, u 4got this. u do have a point on outsourcing , but u need to talk to those corporate guys about it!
Posted by:rahul - 02 May, 2010
8: Even with an engineering degree from an indian university, your skills and knowledge base will be so far below American standards.
I work at IBM and spend so much of my valuable time correcting work from india.
Millions of highly skilled Americans are unemployed due to outsourcing. The low cost is the only reason work is outsourced. Work is beginning to be brought back to the US for quality concerns.
Also, the work that is outsourced is now going to communist china because they work for so much less than indians.
How will you feel when your job goes to communist china ?
Posted by:Joe Plummer - 02 May, 2010
9:
I am agree with Joe about quality of work done from IT firms in india. I worked with TCS and my fieling with this giants not turns as what they say. Indians firms get work by their chipper rate not for quality.

I see hardly 10% peaople of such IT gaints are capable to deliver good quality work. Who are able to do analysis and solving bussiness problem. very rare are ahving leadership skill or can do innovative job.
While 80-90% who say them self as engineer are not more then a programming labor.

This is true that quality never comes free, If you choose cheap you end up paying more due to poor quality.

One more fact is that some part of India has education system driven by education mafai and Degree certificate are given on basis of money paid. And I have come across people coming from such institute has not even knowledge or skill equivalint of 1st year engineer graduate.

Past I worked with some said techie who even can not think logic, Who can not understand requirements and such people can follow order only.

So Joe this is fact and other fact is that small growing companeys having 60-70% true techie compare to giants where people are higher and promoted on basis of profitabilities.
Deepak Pansheriya Replied to: Joe Plummer - 03 May, 2010
10: I am in this field for the past 30 years. ANd I have interviewed the so-called techies who cannot even tell you the configuration of the PC they are working on.

Recruiting non-techies will not pose any problem as both thechies and non-techies are put through the same programming training course. Even within techies persons from non-CS/IT studies are also as good as non-techies when it comes to programming. So recruiting people from Science and Arts background will not affect the quality of work being produced and they are also recruited by administering the same entrance norms.
Posted by:TES - 02 May, 2010
11: Wow! Nobody here seems to bother thinking about why non-techies are being hired. The problem lies in the technological education. Colleges have opened up at every nook and corner, but they just do not have teachers and infrastructure to impart any quality education.

I have interviews hordes of so called tech graduates, who falter in writing even the simplest of the programs. If they need to be trained from scratch anyway, the companies might as well hire non-techies at lower salary.

There is no point blaming companies for it. Be wise while selecting your educational institution. Do not go to just any place to get an engineering degree. Its better to study literature from a good place than engineering from a bad one!
Posted by:Neha - 01 May, 2010
12:
Thats true but interviewer in Giants are also fall in same categories and not capable to judge skills.
Deepak Pansheriya Replied to: Neha - 03 May, 2010
13:
I think you are from nontechnical baground huun......thats why
pranav Replied to: Neha - 01 May, 2010
14:
I am also a computer science graduate and in the struggling phase but i think that Neha is absolutely correct on the point, to have an engineering degree doesn't mean that you are an engineer.
Gaurav Agrawal Replied to: pranav - 01 May, 2010
15: i don't feel hiring non techies will b a problem.if the software companies can hire studnts from various engineering streams,thn how does hiring non engineers pose a problem?ultimately aftr recruitment they are made to undergo training for some months.it is up to the student to make max use of the training.
Posted by:stdnt - 01 May, 2010
16:
ya becas engineering guys hav atleast a technical mindset til den
rahul Replied to: stdnt - 03 May, 2010
17: Looking at the quality of engineers being churned out of the Engineering colleges today, hiring a non-engineering grad is after all not such a big risk.
IT is not just about writing code. It is about solving a real problem in the real world where science, commerce, literature and arts, all of these thrive. So let there be more participation of people from all walks of life in the evolution of computing. Let us not become "code monkeys".

In my experience, only one out of 100 engineers (from an average standard institution) reaches a level of competence where he can be entrusted with the more complex tasks of architecting solutions. The other 99 just reach their height of incompetence anyway!
Posted by:Cdr Nagesh - 30 Apr, 2010
18: In fact, in most of the US you cannot call yourself an Engineer if you do not have an Engineering Degree (this came up in Texas with "Microsoft Certified Network Engineers").

Lastly, the Florman and Petroski book names got dropped from my first post. They are "The Existential Pleasures of Engineering" and "To Engineer is Human".
Posted by:Sanjit - 30 Apr, 2010
19: You may not be aware of something called a Professional Engineer. This is a certification similar to an MD, JD, or Dentist. In the United States, certain work (particularly in construction and utility work) must be signed off by a Professional Engineer.

How does that bear on software? The question(s) I would ask are: How was the software controlling a cancer treatment radiation system designed and tested? How was the anti-lock brake software for your car designed and tested? How was the fly-by-wire software for the Airbus A330 designed and tested? How was the software controlling the traffic light system for New York City designed and tested?

Software does impact public safety. Having a thorough grounding in the science and theory behind the software is essential. Maybe its not important if the Level 1 help desk personnel are Engineers. Maybe its not important if the Level 2 (or 3) support personnel are Engineers. We probably all agree it doesnt matter if Marketing personnel are Engineers. But the quality (and safety) of the resulting software rests in the hands of Engineers.
Posted by:Sanjit - 30 Apr, 2010
20: Wow. As an American engineer with almost 30 years of experience and degrees in Electrical (Bachelors) and Computer Engineering (PhD), this is a fascinating discussion. To anyone really curious what Engineering means, I would recommend reading by Florman and any (or all) of the books by Henry Petroski (particularly ). Its been said below, but it bears repeating: Engineering is a mindset. Mathematicians are trained to think (problem solve) in a particular way, Physicists are trained to think (problem solve) in a particular way, Engineers are trained to think (problem solve) in a particular way, and Programmers are trained to think (problem solve) in a particular way. What works well in one of those fields translates with some success to the others.

Posted by:Sanjit - 30 Apr, 2010
21: This for sure is a serious issue.lots of engineering graduates are suffering because of this.Its high time for the MNCs to address the same, i believe.4 yrs study cannot match up with 6 months of courses.
Posted by:kiran - 30 Apr, 2010
22: guys who establish a software mnc are techies. ever heard about non techies launching or running an software mnc?
A compounder would know a lot of doctors stuff, but would never be a doctor, nor would hav dat refined expertise. likewise giving 8 semesters,100+ sessionals, n no. of practicals,100+ vivas,40 exams,industrial trainings, projects,presentatations n a lot more is what makes us engineers!
Posted by:rahul - 30 Apr, 2010
23: It is true undue importance to Engineering students will leave out majority of other students who pass out from science stream like BSC and commerce stream B.com and Humanities which is why there is a mad rush at all the Engineering colleges for admission.
To write a programme engineering may help but that is not all, even other students from Sceince if trained can take up the lead that is taught to them and in anycase computer education is taught even at the elementary education will help them understand the requirement and they too can enable themselves fit for the IT job.

The decision is a right decision and it will auger well with the Education system in India.

Ramesh.V.Naivaruni
Bangalore
Posted by:Ramesh.V.Naivaruni - 30 Apr, 2010
24: As a person who has seen very young children showing amazing expertise in computer programming, it has been my considered view that computer software work can be easily learned by anyone. And that too without going to any college, engineering or otherwise.
In fact, if one just starts teaching computer applications and even such things as C Plus to even one's domestic servents, they would become quite experts in it, extremely fast.
However the trick is not to allow them access to such levels of knowledge!
Posted by:Ved from Victoria Institutions - 30 Apr, 2010
25:
what you said is Right.Sir
Bhanu Replied to: Ved from Victoria Institutions - 30 Apr, 2010
26: I think we can find some non techie guys who are more capable and intelligent than techie guys. So I think suitable candidates should also be given opportunities.
Posted by:YVA - 30 Apr, 2010
27: hi to thinkers, i dnt knw y de the ppl r doing like dis, giving de rite opportunity rite ppl , and i saying damn sure its only for saving money towards CTC and nothing else
Posted by:gavasker.m - 30 Apr, 2010
28: What will happen to Engineering Graduates who are still waiting for a job? They have already done a huge expenses either from home or by education loan.They are definitely in lot of mental stress.Should not we and the companies think about them. Also, if Engineering graduates work on "testing software applications and managing computer infrastructure" which now non techies are doing ,then definitely Quality will improve and India's image in international software market will improve.Pls rethink.
Posted by:Niranjan Sahoo - 29 Apr, 2010
29:
Guys should do engineering from government colleges rather than going to those expensive institues by donation and all....
Pakhi Replied to: Niranjan Sahoo - 30 Apr, 2010
30: Wow! never saw so many comments about a single post on Silicon India...But what surprises me is why are the " so very talented, full of IQ" techies(whatever that means) is wasting so much of their productive time in writing posts, is it because they are getting a little insecure that their only option of getting absorbed in some IT company is going to somebody else? If its insecurity, I symphatise you.....
But dont give expert comments like indutries will know what mistake they are doing, deterioration in quality, and all that crap! Do you really think the CEOs and Global HRs of big companies like TCS, Wipro dont think about their quality standards, or losing out their valued customers? Its easy to post comments in a blog Boss, but not to run an MNC! And mind you, these companies had started recruiting graduates right from 2005-2006. Had the quality of work really gone down, today the article in silicon India would have been" Indian IT indtries losing clients, as Graduates proved not at par with Techies"..
But its not so....be in the reality buddies..
Posted by:Diya - 29 Apr, 2010
31:
Ya you are absolutely right man..There should not be as such bars on any work, anybody can do any work if he has the ability to do that work. If non engineering graduate is as much capable as the engineering graduate then what is the problem if non Engg. Graduate is doing techies JOB?
So the one who is capable to do work he should get that JOB then he can be Engg. Graduate or Non Engg. Graduate.
As far as the technical knowledge is concerned companies should take the tests on technical ability of the person & then decide whether he is competent for the JOB or not.
Teja Replied to: Diya - 30 Apr, 2010
32:
I totally agree , I am s/w engineer having 5 years of exp.I have seen poeple who are not so called techie, but they work very well. One more point I would like to highligh , if any graduate who is having capabilites will get job, recession does not affect them.

Though words are quite strong and this fact is known by each and every individual.

They are being fired for testing job /infra support job/management job
aklesh Replied to: Teja - 30 Apr, 2010
33: I found in recent times the trend of recruiting non techies specially in IT sectors are increasing day by day.Thanks to the institutes like NIIT,APTECH & like wise,where after finishing any graduation(Pass/Hons.)candidates are doing software courses and getting opportunities in companies like TCS,Wipro etc. as so called SOFTWARE ENGINEER without having any Engineering Degree & bypassing the competition of Engineering Entrance Exam .

I will suggest all my engg. frens specially who have done/doing their engineering in Core field(Electronics,Electrical,Mechanical,Instrumentation etc.)to choose the career in their respective field only where they will get proper valuation ,and there is no place for non techies in this core field,as there are no NIITs which will provide a easy way out for non techies to be called as techies.
Posted by:Arindam - 29 Apr, 2010
34: Its totally worthy!
I explain why: If a Mechanical/Civil/Electrical/other can be hire as Software engineer/developer then why not non-engineering graduate?
Posted by:Sushant - 29 Apr, 2010
35:
Some time back I had a masters degree chemist work for me as a software developer, and she couldn't do diddly.
SZCZEBRZESZYN Replied to: Sushant - 30 Apr, 2010
36:
I totally Agree
suresh Replied to: Sushant - 30 Apr, 2010
37:
i totally agree.
Daksh Replied to: Sushant - 29 Apr, 2010
38: These IT people really need to rethink their hiring strategies.They change it every now and then and students who are studying so hard come at receiving end.I am an IT professional with electrical engg background but still feeling the heat of IT.I think not only non-eng but non-IT people should also be given a second thought before hiring.Because as far as technical knowledge is concerned they still lag far behind the IT students.
Posted by:Ambarr Gedam - 29 Apr, 2010
39: It may be important that engineers may be without jobs due to this. Most impotantly, you are asking a non-techie, whose output cannot be equal to that of a techie to do the work. Are you then not compromising on quality?
Posted by:Salil Gupta - 29 Apr, 2010
40: I would say that employ as many non techies you want but please always remember:
1. Do not compromise on quality of work. if a person cannot solve a mathematical problem he will definitely face problem in writing efficient code.
2. Please maintain the salary difference among them if not then you would not find many engineers coming to work for these companies with full focus and energy. they will look for other alternates.
Posted by:nishant - 29 Apr, 2010
41:
A B.Sc student with honors in Maths , Physics has to solve much more though maths than a so called "Techie Engineer"....Moreover other than coming to this fake IT field do these "Techie engineers" have any other option...And one suggestion to the B.Sc. graduate and so called .."Don't waste your talent and career by coming to this fake IT world.You all have much more good options like doing Phd. and all.."
Isha Replied to: nishant - 29 Apr, 2010
42: i think it's now time that government should define some policies to IT companese, i mean can a bank hire a engineer for the post of 'clerk' ? so how can u hire a non-techie for technical job.
I think government should look into these issues, otherwise many of such issues will arrive in future, infact government should also make some laws to make software engineering field secure, the IT jobs are highly insecure. IT compnz hire ppl when they want and they kick u off when they want.
Posted by:andy - 29 Apr, 2010
43:
gud point , i point out that kick off when they want
gavasker.m Replied to: andy - 30 Apr, 2010
44: i think its not ok to hire nontechies for techies job.... its not possible to learn those thingds in just 6 month that the engineer learn in 4 year. recruiter have to think these things. may be hiring company gts a peron in less salary. ..........
Posted by:Dharmesh - 29 Apr, 2010
45: hi to all
most of the work in IT is non technical. just want sell the image at higher rate IT co keeps Engrs. only 5-10 % only do the core developments. hence it is not a surprise that about management. Engrs can do non Engg job but not the reverse. Hence Engrs has to choose a right job in IT than doing jack of all. They should demand Engrs salary not as non Engr salary.
Posted by:boopathi - 29 Apr, 2010
46: The whole story is that non-techie people are ready work at a lesser salary. They are ready to work on anything they are given, be it just data entry or any maintenance work. An engineer student will never want to do the crappy stuff. The are technology oriented and they would want to work on core stuff. Also, they ask for the right remuneration that they deserve. But, the general miser mentality of Indian companies to pay less is easily implemented while hiring non-techies. They are anyways not expecting much and then they are given this IT job with a basic salary. Who will leave it?
Posted by:Anurag Sharma - 29 Apr, 2010
47:
Anurag, thats how it works. Tell me, why jobs keep shifting from US to India? Global educational institutions produce world class engineers in US. Compare them with some Anurag (maybe not you) of J M Patel Engineering college in some Bilaspur. Still Anurag gets the job right? In American perspective, those companies who outsource jobs have miser mentality. But that becomes your gain. But you fume, when the same happens to you, when your job passes to people from towns or other low profile countries. You cant have both ways buddy! And yes, dont start with the same beaten to death crap that you guys have IIT in India. Neither they are truly worldclass nor only engineers from IIT work in Indian IT companies.
Pradeep G, Senior Solutions Architect, Adobe Inc. Replied to: Anurag Sharma - 29 Apr, 2010
48:
LOL.Mr.Pradeep,G you seem to be a non techie..All the world class engineers in US still have jobs. I have worked there for 7 years and i can bet that average IQ of India is much better then US. Only thing, talented people in US get early recognition. That's why they have people like Bill Gates. Our country does not support talented guys that much. US companies are outsourcing jobs because of one and only one reason - better work in much less pay.
Rahul Shetty Replied to: Pradeep G, Senior Solutions Architect, Adobe Inc. - 29 Apr, 2010
49:
I fully support this. We all people know how much engineering graduates from India are talented and how they pass out. They are may non-techies in indian IT industry who have set bench marks. More over you will find such people more devoted and passionate about their work. Sachin Tendulkar is still palying because of his passion. Its the passion thats make perfect professional not the degrees.
Rakesh Kumar Replied to: Pradeep G, Senior Solutions Architect, Adobe Inc. - 29 Apr, 2010
50:
Yes you are absolutely right buddy...
Tejas Replied to: Rakesh Kumar - 30 Apr, 2010
51:
US is not out sourcing the work only because of less money, there are other factors to this something like time to market. US doesn’t have the enough work force or talent to finish the project with in time to market that is why they are out sourcing to countries like India and china where the man power is readily available.
Srikanth Replied to: Pradeep G, Senior Solutions Architect, Adobe Inc. - 29 Apr, 2010
52:
Wait for dome more years buddy...you will realize it is cost arbitration and not the superior talent (as many still think) which made outsourcing to happen in india. Since last recession, the industry had witnessed lot of jobs
getting shifted to east asian countries...

Reality and pride(feeling that only indians can do every thing) are different..:)
boss Replied to: Srikanth - 29 Apr, 2010
53: All the engineers that are recruited by the IT fields are not from Computer Science stream. Engineers from all streams are recruited by the IT Company who do not have any basic knowledge of SDLC or any programming language. So how can any body say them as techie or what is the definition of a techie in IT sector? Engineers are required only for core work which hardly any Indian IT company does. IT sector is based on only two word “COPY” and “PASTE”.
Being a Science graduate and working in IT industry, I feel that even a 12th standard student who have some basic knowledge of programming can do it…
Posted by:Riya - 29 Apr, 2010
54:
I differ from your POV. Engineering is not a study. It is an attitude. When a Engineer pass outs after 4 years he/she has a frame of mind of an engineer. They have a stronger sense of analysis and reasoning than a Non-IT. Moreover, there is no limit to what an Engineer can do. But, a non-techie can only do what they are "taught".

Coming to your notion of copy-paste might be true for some few instances in a day but it is called using libraries. It is foolish to code something that has already been written. And, not all the work is copy paste. Most of the software development process revolve around having a framework and customizing the solution.
Anurag Sharma Replied to: Riya - 29 Apr, 2010
55:
Sorry I didn’t understand what do you mean by “frame of mind of an engineer” . Moreover “Attitude” does not come from any degree even if it is required for a IT Job. And if you tell about the 4 years of study in engineering , then I must tell you its much tough to pass BSc where you have to devote only 1 year less than your Engineering stream. And about Aptitude skills neither it is taught in your engineering degree nor any other stream….It develops depending on one’s brain and practice….As far as I know engineering also consists of some limited books and syllabus which people just mug up to get the degree..
Riya Replied to: Anurag Sharma - 29 Apr, 2010
56:
I completely support and agree the abobe comments. Its not the papers or the certificates to justify a techie, Even Non engineering graduates can be called as techies if they have the required skills to apply. Moreover these companies are providing employement opportunities to the Non Engg Students who mostly come from remote areas of the Country..
Jvs Prasad Replied to: Riya - 29 Apr, 2010
57:
Totaly agree
tejas Replied to: Jvs Prasad - 30 Apr, 2010
58:
But, isn't it unfair for the ones who really deserve it? I agree that remote areas don't have the facilities. But, there are quotas in Engineering for such situations. Is it fair for hire a non-tech person from remote area than a person who has studied hard for 4 years?
Anurag Sharma Replied to: Jvs Prasad - 29 Apr, 2010
59:
Anurag, hi again, is it acceptable to rope in some medium talented engineers from India (maybe with high marks) replacing many talented, pristinely qualified and proven American or European engineers? In my humble opinion, everyone feels the pinch of outsourcing and cost cutting (miser mentality of the industry and companies - in your words from a previous comment,) when the job penetrates to the level beyond their's
Pradeep G Replied to: Anurag Sharma - 29 Apr, 2010
60:
Sir.. American engineers are not that Competent. They have a extreme cream layer of 10% who are brilliant scholars. Other then that layer the US engineering community does not have much talent. Their big organizations are all run by MBA's and Engineers and PHD's from other countries.
Rahul Shetty Replied to: Pradeep G - 29 Apr, 2010
61: How else will the incompetent (mis)managers support their huge salaries ? This will make these so called software companies top heavy & bottom light, and they will soon topple.
Posted by:name - 29 Apr, 2010
62: when technology knocked indian shores many lives were changed and because of IT many lost their jobs too.
so what if the techies get a little dose of their medicine.it a fair game.
Posted by:naresh gurnani - 29 Apr, 2010
63: Many Indian IT companies will go to any level to make sure their margins are not impacted. The IT professionals (especially the ones in Junior grade) themseleves are treated as 'resource' and no different from a daily wage worker. The basic assumption is that if you have one experienced 'resource' in your team, he/she is good enough to handle the rest. You can see what happens with such an assumption when the actual delivery is made. It's usually crap! I don't think this practice will stop as the onsite-clients don't really care if an artist has coded or an engineer with years of education on parents lifetime savings has coded. - Nisha (Indian IT Professionals Network, iITPRO.NET). The IT companies who do this should be ashamed of themsleves.
Posted by:Nisha - 29 Apr, 2010
64: The real issue that i think is not the Non engineerign graduates getting IT jobs.. But the issues is they are not recruited for their specially in any JOB profile they are recruited for Cost Cutting and that\'s the worst thing.

Its good if companies are hiring Good Professional even if they are not engineering graduates. because i seen some persons damn good in java but not engg graduates.

The hard work which we have done in engg colleges is useles.. because we did worked at 12 level in Physics Chemistry and Mathematics. and then in engg studies subjects which make us grown overall but not dedicated professional to Java, C, or any specific skill which non engg graduate has mastered from CDAC or other institutes and that was the demand of the industry.
Posted by:ashwani - 29 Apr, 2010
65:
Dear aswani,
i contrdicts with your comments, "studing 4 yrs in engg is waste"? that 4 year study is real grouting source for evry engg guy could stand pridely in society.in 4 years,vast subject not enough to undestand all portion inspite of he spent 20hr study per a day. for information,engg study indeed adequate planning and concentration enables holding grip on subject.as you said, 12th class mathmatics and science portion is negligible infront of engg.
suvarna Replied to: ashwani - 29 Apr, 2010
66:
I agree to u studying 4 years of engineering cannot be a waste, but mind you studying 3 years of graduation is not a waste either. I never would say passing Engineering is easy, but can anybody in this forum say that studying BSc with honours in Physics Chemistry Maths or Comp Science and passing with more than 60 % marks is a cake walk So if Engineering students have IQ graduates have that toowhether IT companies require it or not The saddest part of the whole story is that these companies are recruiting graduates who could have done Masters/ Phd and a lot more, had these delusive IT companies not offered them this so called big dream So I believe Non techies should not join IT atleast the ones enrolled for higher studies not because they are not capable of it but because it is a waste of their talent.
Diana Replied to: suvarna - 29 Apr, 2010
67:
Hey Guys, I dont understand. When IT companies recruit non-engineering graduates. Do they restricts engineering graduates to appear the interviews? No! right? That means the non-engineering graduates get success over the engineering graduates attending the interviews. Alternatively the IT companies just giving a chance to non-techies to find out the better people.

Everybody knows simply completing engineering degree doesnot bring the knowledge or IQ.
Aditya Replied to: Diana - 29 Apr, 2010
68:
Definitely degree does not equal IQ. I could cite many examples.
SZCZEBRZESZYN Replied to: Aditya - 30 Apr, 2010
69:
Yes you are absolutely right.
Tejas Replied to: Aditya - 30 Apr, 2010
70: even in construction field also so many non tech's entering by lying and showing fake certificates.but qualified engineer easily can differentiate engineer and non engineer.Now a days HR dept is afetr money and unfair in selection is one real cause for thises concerns.4years degree studied in right time in respective field trains him in many fields could not explain to others apart from acadamic subject.
Posted by:suvarna - 29 Apr, 2010
71: Well, I have a question for the HRs! Why you people are always ready to hire the non-techies instead of aspirants like me who have at least some knowledge in computer system?
Posted by:James - 29 Apr, 2010
72: after recession companies looks for right IT Skill and only those who have right skill will be given preference.so it doesnt matter if a candidate in engineer or non engineer.
Posted by:Anand - 29 Apr, 2010
73: This is the TRUE face of Indian IT power. We are just SERVICED BASED IT powers And
truly, we do not need Engineers to do this damn work. WE NEED PRODUCT BASED SOFTWARE COMPANIES TO MAKE INDIA INDEPENDENT. These Serviced based software company just exploits the real talents.
Posted by:Ankit Singh - 29 Apr, 2010
74:
I agree with Ankit...
andy Replied to: Ankit Singh - 29 Apr, 2010
75: It is incorrect to generalize whether a non engineering graduate is not fit for a technical job. Indian Education is known to produce lot of good quality candidates who have excellent knowledge of what they have learnt in academics but not employable. Indian academics do not help the vast majority of the vacancies where more than academic strengths, candidates are required to demonstrate smart intelligent work, with positive attitude and great communication skills. Therefore, if there are technical jobs which requires these kind of skills and not necessarily what an engineering graduate learnt, then the change is for good. One should not over do it! I work for a software support company and my manager was a simple BA graduate who did an amazing job to support the software service. He didn't require anything that was taught in an Engineering college. But he did pick the stuffs well over the years and became a successful manager.
Posted by:Ajay Menon - 29 Apr, 2010
76:
I had an Indian guy working for me who I wanted to sneak into a client class. The client had stipulated that our people could not audit, so I told him to go in as a camera operator. We were supposed to videotape the class for their use, which would have been a legitimate way to get him in. He refused. Operating a camera was beneath him even when it was to his benefit.
SZCZEBRZESZYN Replied to: Ajay Menon - 30 Apr, 2010
77: It is all Attitude that matters and not just the label behind the name.. Just because a person done his/her degree in engineering doesn't mean they are excellent performers. It could say its attitude and the continual training process that makes one fit the bill regardless of the label..
Posted by:Jaikumar - 29 Apr, 2010
78: It is right thing in a both manner,from company point of view, expences will be less after hiring non engg. graduates.and for non engg. graduate dream will come true to join companies like Infosys & TCS. Since Indian working capacity of engg. graduates /non engg. graduates will be same but after training of non engg. gradates. and i know the companies who is working with non engg. gradutes to completet the projects, afte few expences on their training part.
Posted by:Ashish Raverkar - 29 Apr, 2010
79: Non tech people never complies with tech people standards and skills.in engg study duration,students learn so many lessons apart from academic subject.Companies should avoid this practice in the view of accurate quality standards.
Posted by:suvarna - 29 Apr, 2010
80:
There are equal chances that a person qualified as an engineer may not meet the standards of there peers. Our education system is all about mere mugging up and vomiting it out in exams. I have seen people who are excellent in academics, percentage is more than 90%, but when they go for technical rounds in interview, they become dumb. I believe a degree never tells how good a person is technically.
deepankar Replied to: suvarna - 29 Apr, 2010
81:
every one is human, every thing is possible by him.the scientists who found electricity is not a by professional ..........
karthick Replied to: suvarna - 29 Apr, 2010
82:
well said Karthick ,what about Newton he just came up with a n Apple ,nw every one uses his Theory ,its all depended on the Human Brain ,there no diff b/w non tech & tech graduates ......
Techiee Replied to: karthick - 29 Apr, 2010
83:
dear techiee,
apple theory gravitational theory very eloborated subject described in engg field but not non tech.scientists and inventors hardship resulted now a days of technology.it doesnnt means newton is non tech guy.
suvarna Replied to: Techiee - 29 Apr, 2010
84:
Dear Karthik,
So, you feel no need electrical engg? do you can depute BA graduate as electrical engineer? even other decipline engineer could not perform well in otehr engg decipline duties.All ancient inventors and scietists are god blessed people for sake of human.now a days all scientists and inventors are engineers.
suvarna Replied to: karthick - 29 Apr, 2010
85:
Duhhh ... i guess all of them are talkng about a certain field called IT and of course now a days scientists and inventors are engineers but do you think that the roles and responsibility of a non engineering grad in IT field is same as the so called B.E... the companies hiring the so called non B.E grads must be mad to give them the job if they dont have the skills required for the job. Of course they are TAUGHT on what to do and if they are doing fine then whats the hue and cry about it.. and BTW ever gave a thought why B.E Grads are working in Call centers and eating into the jobs of other grads/undergrads... i work for a BPO and i always wonder why they struggle for 4 years to complete B.E and end up working with an undergrad in the same level... and yess most of the BPO's do not hire Eng graduates for XYZ reasons and now what should those people think abt when an engineering grad takes his/her place and quit the job after he finds a job in his engineering field..

@ Karthick Well said... i have got a friend who didnt even know how to send an email... he worked in a call center for sometime and joined an IT company as a customer support exec and due to the company's requirement he was moved to a tech project( VOICE support), he learnt the process well and got an in house training on the product. His willingness to learn and skills played a major role in acquiring the knowledge and now he has completed some course related to the product and just a notch below a software developer... and BTW a B.E grad was working in that position and he quit the job.. my friend was offered the job since he had the KNOWLEDGE abt the process... its a major transition for a guy who knew nuts abt computer and ending up in a job that required a B.E grad....
P.S sorry abt the long post
Manoj Replied to: suvarna - 29 Apr, 2010
86: Both right and wrong.

Anyway, we don't use what we learnt in engg colleges in the real industry. So, why not give chances to the non-engrs?

BUT... sometimes, some real engg skill set (or at least engr like thinking) is required. The non-engr may not be able to perform in such cases.

However, for most part, non-engrs can do at least 50% of "engg" work in most software companies. If they have the aptitude, they can do 100% or even more.

In the long run, this will nail the high fees people pay to become engrs. So, it's not really a bad thing in my opinion.
Posted by:Kaushik - 29 Apr, 2010
87:
yes..I completely agree with u...what i feel is IT field is the only field into which anyone can enter and acheive scuccess...so its nt required to be graduate or waste 4 years studying the stuff...IT sector is all about commonsense....so if one has aptitude...he/she can excel in this field.....
sneha Replied to: Kaushik - 29 Apr, 2010
88:
Non-Engrs (normal) can't do the work equal to engrs (normal). There will be exceptions every where, so, even some non-engrs have exception skills and that doesn't mean we need to have them in huge number.
In the long run, it can become the big thing. Many clients have view that quality of work in India is decreasing. This might be the reason India is losing projects to China.
Vishnu Replied to: Kaushik - 29 Apr, 2010
89:
Yes, very true. Many delivery managers, solution architects and QA heads in top IT MNCs are non-techies - so to say. Though they are technically masters at this point of time. What is important is that they had been great performers over these years. And that is what is important. In today's world of rapid app development ( those skills are not imparted in engg colleges mind you) all that one needs is a very analytical mind and ability to pick up technology on ones own. Functional knowledge - yes I feel there you need a domain expert who can justify the role of a solution architect
A chakraborty Replied to: Kaushik - 29 Apr, 2010
90:
Can't imagine the fate of subordinates if non-engr guy becomes an delivery manager. non-engr can't understand what the issue is technically and become nightmare for developers.
We can't imagine a non-engr guy becoming solution architect (unless and until he is exceptional).
And regarding QA heads, they need background related to six sigma and quality related things, but not much of IT background.
From your statements, they are technically masters now. But, think of the days where they were not, and becoming night mares for developers.
Analytical is surely needed, but engineering skill is compulsory.
Vishnu Replied to: A chakraborty - 29 Apr, 2010
91: Nice to hear that non-techis are boarded into techie jobs. Where i feel betrayed as of now. I am b.com grad. with 2 yr computer course from APTECH, now i am working as executive commercial in IT Company. With previous recession in 2002 i was thrown out from IT and i am not taken by any IT company for being non-techie, that why i changed by career from IT to Back office... All the best for the non-techie who are doing techie world
Posted by:JAYAKUMAR - 28 Apr, 2010
92: First we need to chang our polittical system.Companies are not reday to deploy students on their projects.
Posted by:reddy - 28 Apr, 2010
93: Y2K made a killing by hiring "techis" to just correct one code & even Insurers & reinsurers worlwide were scared.
In reality nothing happened & in retrospect it was all a game of encashing the fear of unknown.
It is all about the requirement of market, jobs in hand & the recruitment of the required skilled persons, whether techi or otherwise.
When money paid is high for the delivering of goods in time it is only the quality & speed not the techi or non-techi that counts.
Ehoevr is luckey & whoever takes the risk get the opportunity.
It is market requiremt, Companies' strategy & available workers.
Other side of the story begins once tha contract is over & there is no requirement.
It is all in the game & techi-nontechi is uncalled for issue in this case.
Krishna Burli
Posted by:Krishna Burli - 28 Apr, 2010
94:
This is not entirely true.
Y2K was not but COULD have been a huge problem especially in supply chain and healthcare.

The year 00 (as in 2000 or 2k) could easily have been interpreted as 00 or 1900 or 1800 or...
Most systems had a built in logic but some didn't. So, Y2K projects were actually necesssry.
Kaushik Replied to: Krishna Burli - 29 Apr, 2010
95: I accepts that this is open source technology its not means that 1 year certificate holder given higher priority as compare to four year Engg.Student...if yes the government should close all Eng.Colleges and start institutes like NIIT.
Those who complete certification courses from such institute are good in handling tool or IDE like .Net but there basics are not clear like Engg.Student.I accepts the peoples from mathematics background because maths good knowledge help in creating grate application or software,but other cant.Its time to think for government shut down the colleges or this institutes like NIIT and provide education required by companies at college level.
Posted by:Deepak K - 28 Apr, 2010
96:
YOU ARE WRONG! ENGG COLLEGES SHOULD REMAIN OPEN FOR STUDIES IN ENGINEERING & TECHNOLOGY, JUST LIKE MEDICAL COLLEGES AND OTHER INSTITUTES OF HIGHER LEARNING, UNDERSTAND?

engg colleges are not supposed to feed the IT sector. most IT firms just don't need an engg grad. its awatse of talent.
a. chakraborty Replied to: Deepak K - 29 Apr, 2010
97: It's a Repost and has been most read/commented before. :)
Posted by:Venkatx5 - 28 Apr, 2010
98: This is the biggest revolution towards unemployment . Now its time to think the theory of lamarckism :(1) strugle for existance and (2) survival for fittest. Now every engineer should not think they have recruited form campus selection in a good software company and their life is settle,but acctual strugle starts now after selection to show thier capability of why they have recruited in a big company.
All These mutation process will change the senario of our country.......
so All enginners have to try to prove them self WHY THWY ARE BEST.........
Posted by:Tapas Ranjan - 28 Apr, 2010
99: moreover, isn’t it a known fact that most of these so called ‘technical jobs’ are not that technical. many of them are the kind ‘any x y z can do type’ with a bit of commonsense and people skills. but most of the techies will continue to do this crap because he thinks that with the ID card of a ‘BIG’ company he can fake that he is doing something great.
Posted by:wills - 28 Apr, 2010
100:
dear sir, don't tell so much of truth.....it really hurts you know......

Here is my statement - 80% of the software development work doesn't require any engg degree - anyone with commonsense and reading / writing skills in English can do it all.....
A chakraborty Replied to: wills - 29 Apr, 2010
101:
Ok Mr. chakraborty , I don't know about you, but if it is so, I would like to know how many people can write neural network code? How many people can do the "real engineering work". One of my friend is working for such junk project in which I think you are also stuck. He will also agree to your statement. Don't tell 80% if you don't really know what sort of engineering work is done.
Pratap Replied to: A chakraborty - 29 Apr, 2010
102: Hi Good Morning,
This is very interesting this is a real story I coming to say.
I have 10 years of exp in IT working with Tch.. I seen many non-tech BSC,Bcom,BA who all performing well and they them self improve their tech knowledge,
One of my team memb he did his 4 years BE and working for the project for 2 years and still giving a shit Quality, But Communication skill is good , Same side one BCom grad is working hard and doing his best in the project and he is toper in the team. But communication skill is less, Both have same 2 years of exp.
Its not a matter of BE and other 3 year, Diploma edu.. Person should have self motivation, interest … and have a goal…they will success in their career.
Posted by:binu - 28 Apr, 2010
103: BA people are bettter than farzi engineering colleges of india.....
Posted by:nitin - 28 Apr, 2010
104:
ultimate.....really....
a charaborty Replied to: nitin - 29 Apr, 2010
105:
really man
raj Replied to: nitin - 29 Apr, 2010
106:
yep you are right.
fallu Replied to: raj - 29 Apr, 2010
107:
Engineering students are required for Core sector.
Non Engineering with computer skill required for IT.
And Bloddy farzi engineers from Pvt.Engg. Colleges should be kicked out
Manoj Replied to: fallu - 29 Apr, 2010
108: attitude and aptitude matter. what about chemical engineers/food technology engineers getting recruited by IT companies, trained for 6 months and become fit to IT industry? If a person studied food technology for 4-5 years and still become a perfect fit for IT with 6 months’ training, why it cant be with a science/ commerce graduate? do u ppl think that anybody who is not an engineer is surely a fool?
Posted by:wills - 28 Apr, 2010
109:
This is not the case dear, non techies do have brain , but the standard of there studies don't come up to the level of techies . may be some people here will contradict, but its the true fact.. or else if one gets equally knowledge in a BSc Course and B.Tech course , then I guess everyone would prefer BSc of 3 years rather than B.Tech of 4 years.. Knowledge and aptitude and attitude matters but its much much higher in Techies, ya exceptions may exists . But in 95 % of cases Techies are far more better than graduates in long time or short time work.

Regards
Ranabir Replied to: wills - 29 Apr, 2010
110: Yes,this is what happens when engineers get into outsourced jobs, which require less of engineering knowledge.It is the next step of outsourcing where jobs which reqire only an analytical mind with appropriate training will get passed on to any graduates.For some time, IT companies were transforming engineers from all streams to software professionals by passing them through their inhouse training. Most of these job contents have nothing to do with the four years of training the engineers have gone through in their colleges.Now to make the operations more competitive, the conpanies are turning to any graduates and not in the near future, they may as well find smart 12th standard passed can as well do the same jobs.So, engineers beware.
Posted by:Narayanan - 28 Apr, 2010
111: All things depends on IQ level. I know very closely about engineering colleges. Any graduate should have IQ, Aptitude, Quantitive, Attitude. Such candidates can be trained. They are more producing with dedication.........
Posted by:Dharmendra Kumar - 28 Apr, 2010
112:
I am very much concviened with your expression. R u working accenture?
srinath Y G Replied to: Dharmendra Kumar - 28 Apr, 2010
113: After reading the above article, I am forced to realize that the writer has a lot of misconceptions. Firstly, we need to understand that in many technical projects, there are certain simple tasks, which can be performed by almost anyone. These tasks are repetative in nature and are not mission critical. They are simple to do too. Apart from these tasks, there are a few other tasks which are relatively more complex then the one discussed formerly, but non engineering students can be trained to perform such tasks. The advantage of taking in these folks for such work is that you employ the right skillset for the right job. you do need overqualified resources for such tasks. Also, you can save on the high wages this way.
As for Core Development activities are concerned, this will always be performed by those who are the brightest technically and have the acumen.
Posted by:Ironman - 28 Apr, 2010
114: Hi I appreciate and agree with you. Also it is true that any one can learn and come up. But at the same time spending 4 years at engineering college, spending money lakhs together doesn't make sense. what is the purpose of the hardly bearing 4 year at engineering college. Overall seems like waste doing B.E.
Posted by:B.E graduate - 28 Apr, 2010
115: Today IT companies wants subject specialist and logical persons for completing their projects within time, so it’s not the matter of selected candidate is from engineering or non-engineering background.

For doing programming the basic need is only and only is LOGIC, so I think it’s not necessary the candidate is from engineering backgrounds or non-engineering backgrounds.
Posted by:Mukesh G Mahin - 28 Apr, 2010
116: After reading all these comments and as a techie in this field for more than 12 years, I can say firmly that, ÿes,it is worthwhile to hire a non-techie to do a techies job. In my experence , I have seen many non-techies performing much better than techies of today. Many of the techies just take it for granted about their technical degree in paper. The core ability and the real quality is not as expected.
It is the attitude,interest and enthusiasm that matters than mere paper degrees, though one requires a basic qualification and knowledge.Mahalakshmi subramaniam says that Techies have more quality. What type of quality are we speaking about. In the many interviews that I have witnessed ,I have not seen not much of the "quality" as expected. Not to mention, the lack of even the communicating ability of the so called "Techies". I fully support the views expressed here regarding the non-essentiality of techies to do a majority of the computer software jobs. Times now are not the same as late 80's or earlier 90's. It is better for the so called "techies" to wake up to the emerging market and situation.
Posted by:P.V.Rajanarayanan - 28 Apr, 2010
117: Best article in years ,i read,,two good,,,indian education system is bullshit,,and then these companies are making fun of Btech.I myself btech from NIT and i am working in team having 10 diploma not having 12 pass ,,but the quality of work is to shit that even a class 10 student can do that,,,but let me tell you in long run thy have to face the consequences,,i have seen their learning power,,their abilities,,their hunger to learn things and they do not have 1% in them as comapred to engg grads
Posted by:ankit - 28 Apr, 2010
118:
Your ridiculous writing skill shows your capability. First improve yourself to get the quality out of your team members. Really do not understand how people with language skills like you could even be working in any company, leave alone an IT company.
akr Replied to: ankit - 30 Apr, 2010
119:
get your comm skills up to the mark bro
test Replied to: ankit - 28 Apr, 2010
120: Hey its not the matter of IT or Non-IT backgroung............its the performance and work involvement one gives in all the jobs given tho him/her.
Posted by:MR akela - 28 Apr, 2010
121: Wish the writter understands the various job profiles, in a diverse industry like IT. IT is not limited to just engineering based R&D.

You have to understand that engineers are replaced for every job in IT. It is irrational to blame the cost arbitrage factor in hiring non-engineers, for jobs which were once filled by only engineers. The IT in india itself was bloomed by the same factor. Till some years back, when computers were not that popular, people with engineering background had a higher comfort in using them. And hence engineers got hired for those positions. situation is not same now.

Think first...
For a mainframe/banking software work, who is the better match a Commerce grad with compter knowledge or an electronics engineer with knowledge on circuit designing..
Do you really require an engineer as primary prefernce for providing customer support for a software product...or do you rather prefer asome one with good communication skills and learning ablity..

It is not IT job is meant for non-engineers. And same is for non-engineers...

Dear writter, be serious in your job :)

If you research a bit into this industry, you will understand...programming languages are always considred as the tools. It is the knowledge on domain/business area which makes one hirable.

Or is silicon India trying to lower its reader base, by posting these kind of immature analysis.
Posted by:boss - 28 Apr, 2010
122:
agree with you boss
boss\'s boss Replied to: boss - 29 Apr, 2010
123: Most of the firstline, middle management and few project leads in all of Indian IT companies can be easily replaced by non-technical folks who are trained in Microsoft Office. They just do doc, ppt, xl and talk only non-sense. So these non engineering background guys can easily fit their place with office training. What technical knowledge you need to work in Indian service companies... You will work on technical aspects till you are 3-4years experienced, after that it is all lead, management stuff & give golis. Just do politics, Indian IT companies killed the good working environment. All of the middle management in these companines are from ISRO, HAL, NAL, BHEL kind of Goverment companies, they can't think any thing better for the organisation other bringing in some koolies, SSLC failed candidates into organisation...Common guys mature yourself, IT world & game is changed now.....It is not late nineties, different decade altogether.
Posted by:ITEmployee - 28 Apr, 2010
124:
He He He...I dont agree/disagree with your comments but you have written good! Fully Frustration...
Pankaj Replied to: ITEmployee - 28 Apr, 2010
125:
Leave it to the firms to run their business and hire who they want. The people responsible for the projects are best guides to determine the level of education and experience needed to successfully deliver the project profitably.

The author definitely needs to improve the quality of writing. The paragraphs start as "It is believed that", Some of the experts feel that", "But all these firms ... believe that". Who believes this and who are these experts?

And the article begins "With the new trend ..." - we all know non-engineers have been part of IT/software industry all along. Its nothing new. I guess the writer means the trend of increasing non-engineers being hired!

Mr. Editor, please edit the articles before it gets posted.
Posted by:Sudhir - 28 Apr, 2010
126:
You are pakka Manager or team lead...but dont get demotivated...
Pankaj Replied to: Sudhir - 28 Apr, 2010
127: There is no prescribed qualification for politicians who rules the country and states. Many a time it is common sense and logic that matters. Doing an IT job is more of training. I have seen the standard of most engineering students. Students of different disciplines while joining the course think of jobs in core areas, for example a Mechanical engineer in an automobile industry. Since there are no job opportunities all will turn to IT jobs. Is there not difference in computer knowledge between a B.E in Computer Science and B.E in Civil Engineering? When a Civil/Mechanical/Electrical Engineering Graduate can become a soft ware engineer why not a B.Sc graduate? It is only motivation and interest that matters. As Einstein puts it, ENTHUSIASM IS THE KEYNOTE TO SUCCESS.

I have an interesting case to share with readers of SiliconIndia. One of my relatives who did her B.Sc (Home Science) undergone training in some computer courses privately. In a selection by a US based company she was among 75 selected in the country while many B.E Computer Science Graduates were rejected!

The IT Companies mainly look for the capabilities of the candidates to deliver the goods. Nobody pays out of charity. Gone were the days when Engineering Graduates were selected in large numbers and were kept in bench. Today most IT companies are selective and also extend the training period from 3 months to 5 months.

IT is a trickish field. Only the able people will survive unlike routine government jobs.

Dr.A.Jagadeesh Nellore (AP)
Posted by:Dr.A.Jagadeesh - 28 Apr, 2010
128:
You are absolutely right Dr. A. Jagadeesh, I totally agree with you. Companies have started giving chance to non techie graduates because now they are more concerned about the knowledge on have with him/her. Earlier Engineering degree was just a basic qualification to get into IT even though if he is a mehanical/electrical or any other field apart from computers. I appreciated the way the IT companies have started looking for the right candidate and not just going by his/her degree.
Prasenjit Chowdhury Replied to: Dr.A.Jagadeesh - 29 Apr, 2010
129:
I completely agree with you.
Pooja Replied to: Dr.A.Jagadeesh - 28 Apr, 2010
130: I like to say that It's and programming is being driven wiht logic.
Posted by:charles - 28 Apr, 2010
131: I am also engineering graduate and I can say that it's not true that only 4 year degree can handle and deliver quality product. I know many crap engineers who are just a piece of shit and nothing more.
In U.S. more than 50% works are done by not engineering graduate and they are far better than any engineering graduate.
It all depends on how the individual learn while work
Posted by:sam - 28 Apr, 2010
132:
I am very agree with you...The most important thing is individual learning ability at work....
AKG Replied to: sam - 28 Apr, 2010
133: I dont see the 3-4 years of education is really helping you in IT field. You learn computer programming from 3rd year so its just a formal education for 2 years on your chosen field. If IT companies are able to groom non-techies the work, then why cant the education system be revised? Have you guys thought about it?
Posted by:Lokesh - 28 Apr, 2010
134: Some of the testing work at tcs, infy can be even done by 12th fail or construction workers...so its possible to hire non techies
Posted by:Techy - 28 Apr, 2010
135: Hiring non-techies means that the outsourced work needs no specific analytical and problem solving skills that techies come with. It requires no art, just patience to sit for 12 hours before a computer.
Posted by:Carlos - 28 Apr, 2010
136: Yes, IT companies can go upto any extent to save as much amount as they can - let it be the case of hiring non-techies instead of techies.
Posted by:raman - 28 Apr, 2010
137:
i know many services company has non-IT guys in their payroll, including the one included in this thread.
kumar Replied to: raman - 28 Apr, 2010
138:
Hiring Non-techies is not a problem, if you have the skill and knowledge then why there is a differentiation between techies and non techies. I am from a engineering background, and i don't feel that non - techies are worthless.
In this article whom so ever interview is given their view is only from the manager's prospect. At the end of the day knowledge matters a lot.
Its not the fight between techies and non-techies, its an open field who so ever has that enthusiasm, knowledge and skill definitely they have to win.
Saurav Kumar Replied to: kumar - 28 Apr, 2010
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Hello.. Many MNC's are taking non techies and offering them higher studies... This really helps the non techies.. When studying Engg most of them study for the sake of studying or u tend to forget what u have studied.. By the time they get in mostly they will not be remembering what they have learnt.. But if u are studying and working it really helps because u are learning what u are actually going to implement in ur projs. And you can be a very good employee..
deep Replied to: Saurav Kumar - 29 Apr, 2010
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Then why not hire street smart uneducated people as Executives and CEO after giving them 6 month training. Then we can save more money for these IT companies. The bubble is about to burst for IT as these cost cutting and All is well feeling can not go on forever.
Shashank Replied to: Saurav Kumar - 28 Apr, 2010
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Some times it is not about cost cutting alone. It is sometimes about change.
deep Replied to: Shashank - 29 Apr, 2010
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what type of change these IT firms want. They employed no engineering graduate and when they employed a fresher engineer then they think about the eligibility criteria of their percentile in academics. If they can believe on non-engineering graduates then why they ask engineers for their good academic records. It is shame full for the IT firms.
Rohit Vaidya Replied to: deep - 29 Apr, 2010
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i agree buddy , & i like ur pnt 2
gavasker.m Replied to: Rohit Vaidya - 30 Apr, 2010
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This is not at all good. Many students from rural areas spending lot of money to complete their BE/B.Tech/M.C.A. They are also working well and getting lot of knowledge from their academics.
More over it is not so easy to getting into Engg. colleges, they have to face the competition. But non-tech is not a matter.
So these companies must understand the actual things and take good decisions.
Girish Replied to: deep - 29 Apr, 2010
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Right I agree with you. There are number of people spending lot for their BE/BTech degree and has very good skill set. So the company should understand the actual things and hire the tech people for the technical work.
Kanupriya Replied to: Girish - 29 Apr, 2010
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A lot of thinking here is very immature, many expect some type of priveledge for having and education, but education is the priveledge in and of itself. Company's world wide care about profit - period. They offshore from the US to India to asia. It is simply profit driven, it is capitalism. Education will help you, but you must use it to your advantage as an education - what value does it bring to you and how does it make you more valueable ?

I started with a BSEEE and moved into IT in the US some 15 years ago: things change, eventually what was new becomes a comdity and worth less. The value is how to use resources to reduce cost and inprove out and quality.

Mark Replied to: Kanupriya - 30 Apr, 2010
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in my opinion, recruiting the non-techies is a right option unless it doestn't affects the techie graduates. i can say that the techie must be given the priority over the non-techies atleast for their certifiacte sake. well am from mechanical stream and i dont like interviewing for an IT job, because i love my subject and i want to contribute somthing to this world thru my area of specialisation. it may nt work for the ppl who come frm a poor background, in this aspect IT has been doing a very good job(givin job to poors) and i can say that we have been enterin into a new era called unemployment zone. one more thing is that gettin into a job is entirely diff envi than wat we have expected wile doin our studies, anyway both of u(techie and non-techie) are gonna get the training aid frm the respected concern and u r gonna replicate what they have taught u. in this aspect a common philosophy works "SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST" as far as IT field is concerned

i dint say they shud nt recruit non-techies but they shud giv preference to the techies who have been studied for abt four years without even bunkin the clases ha ha ha
vimal Replied to: Kanupriya - 29 Apr, 2010
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comeon ppl what happen to you all,,,,,its good that they give the job to non techies but its a crime for ppl(like me)who wait from the first day of collage for a chance to enter into s/w giant like infi etc,in my point of view its better to organise common paper and criteria,,it really hurting when I see advertisment of i.t firm when they display b.e/b.tech not allowed.
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