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Indians are over committed, reluctant to differ

Brussels: Business executives in Europe feel Indians display a reluctance to disagree, a tendency to over-commit and a lack of transparency in sharing information. A new survey conducted by outsourcing advisory firm Quantum Step reveals that in Continental Europe, India's attitude towards caste and gender issues impact India's position as a global business center.
Indians are over committed, reluctant to differ


Quantum Step surveyed 35 top companies across Europe, asking them to discuss the barriers they felt existed in doing business with Indian outsourcing firms, reports Business Standard. Companies in the Nordic region pointed out the "awkwardness" with which Indian men interacted with women. "Often, the Indian teams that are sent to make a sales pitch, don't include even a single woman," says Sridhar Vedala, Quantum Step's Managing Director. "But the people they are pitching to are commonly women."

Another complaint listed was the difference in the way Indians were perceived to behave towards their European clients and towards their own Indian subordinates. A final point made had to do with the perception that Indians working onshore in Europe made little attempt to integrate with local employees, preferring instead to socialise and live with other Indians. But despite these findings, Vedala insists that Continental Europe is gradually opening up to do business with Indian outsourcing companies. "There is already significant activity in the Benelux (Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg) region, as well as in Germany," he says.

   
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Reader's comments (60)
1: This is just a decade or two we have started as a global Indian. Problem of attitude towards women lies in Indian social life. However I don't think Indians feel awkward while interacting with women. In overseas countries men & women are extra friendly. Indians will take some time to adjust with this kind of culture. However I am a strong believer of Indian culture. I would certainlly not like to have social problems arised out of this "extra friendlyness in western countries". But while dealing with overseas clients, would like to go with the saying…”when you are in Rome be Roman”…:)
Posted by: Abhijit - 11 Feb, 2010

2: its a pure bill-shit to make such comments on Indian Businessmen. I strong feel that all these allegations are a pure deliberate effort with a jealous on India as we are growing much faster (Just look at Obama's statements on Asian countries off-late). It is the policy of european countries to encourage racism and attack on Indian's for no reasons. There are several incidents which were proven too and you guys are teaching us that we do show discrimination. Please understand that NO OTHER COUNTRY IN THIS WORLD RESPECTS WOMEN AS WE DO IN OUR COUNTRY.
Posted by: Anand Akkenapalli - 10 Feb, 2010

3:Anand You are talking about the respect given to women. dont you even dare to talk about things which you never follow in your life
 Rohan replied to: Anand Akkenapalli 
 post - 06 Apr, 2010

4:I totaly, agree with this statement. Racism should be eradicated. Governement should take measures on such anti social statments. Gobalisation should be the primary target of every human on earth.
 vinay replied to: Anand Akkenapalli 
 post - 28 Feb, 2010

5: Why so much talks about India, why not talk about Germans, British, polish and so on.

Every country has its Issues, problems. I can say things like most Europeans drink regularly, have a not-so-serious attitude towards work, from an Indian, Chinese, even American perspective.They gets very easily harassed.
Very limited adaptation skills.

so lets talk about real problems. OK Indians are over committed, this is a compliment, not a problem. Reluctant to differ, this is a problem, which can be fixed through discipline in the process.I don't want to talk about women, Its a controversial thing.Indians not so good attitude towards their peer Indians, that's because Indians self valuation is very low, not to be blames individually.Historically we are in a growing phase as a country, slowly this will get fixed over time.
Thats all from me for now
Posted by: PersonallyIamahuman - 10 Feb, 2010

6: we are not full integrated inside the country... how can someone expect us to be integrated outside the counrty? We have so many issues like reginal ..religion.. castes.. on women... ..
Posted by: Ram K Maddela - 09 Feb, 2010

7:That's a very lame excuse,forget sex(color,ethnicity also),politics and caste.Then things will fall into the right place.
 Ashique S replied to: Ram K Maddela 
 post - 09 Feb, 2010

8: almost half of the indian women in india cannot read and write, what do you expect!
 zwinmimi replied to:  Ashique S 
 post - 09 Feb, 2010

9: The above statement is applicable for india or indian women in 1970's or 80's but absolutly not now. Indian women posses good analytical skills and they do have knowledge and can compeet with men of any nation. They are doing well in most of the firms and scored merits. May be indian women are emotional and sensitive but they have capability of performing deeds well.
 vinay  replied to: zwinmimi 
 post - 28 Feb, 2010

10: well check the stats and also put in the stats like against which % of men are litrate!
Girls in india are going to schools though still at some places mentality is backward but things are changing!
also check the status on child molestation, rape of girls by own family members, Sexual Harracement!
India is still in a far better condition.
 Rohit Pahalwan  replied to: zwinmimi 
 post - 15 Feb, 2010

11: Until we can integrate fully into the global arena, we can't call ourselves truly global. I posted a blog on this topic here on this network. You can read my blog here:http://www.siliconindia.com/blogs/blogs_ new.php?xLYH7FQ3vSUr7mD0H7hs8zH815pO24s7
Posted by: Dr. Krishna Kumari Challa - 08 Feb, 2010

12:You are right.. Indians can fight well ..like civil wars going in Mumbai or Hyderabad or UP etc... We are not integrated.. we'll never be integrated ... because .. we have so many differences and every human who born in India is politically corrupt ..or they are well aware of politics like me.. they do everything or anything for money... that is the reason we are respecting foreigners
 Ram Reddy Challa replied to: Dr. Krishna Kumari Challa 
 post - 09 Feb, 2010

13: This is contradiction. Indians fight ro survive. Taking things either way always give a negetive meaning. They work for themselves and there families. but to detray any other.
 vinay replied to:  Ram Reddy Challa 
 post - 28 Feb, 2010

14: yes mr. krishna i do accept your argument. do you think that there is no corruptions in foreign countries.....
 sat replied to:  Ram Reddy Challa 
 post - 10 Feb, 2010

15: Indian is a peace loving nation and you cannot comment anything about india's integrity. Which country in this world has such a diverse profile and if any how many of them have sustained it? Fights and all the things that you guys are talking about happens in any family and india as a family is no exception. We have differences and we resolve them time to time.
 vinay mittal replied to:  Ram Reddy Challa 
 post - 09 Feb, 2010

16: This might be how Indians are. Cultures will adapt to each other with time and new issues will come up. This is how human race progresses through time. Indians are biggest self-critiqus: Lets not go into reasons, just observe, change whatever we can for better, if we cannot, just enjoy.
Posted by: Amit - 08 Feb, 2010

17:our system is corrupt...there wont be any progression... they are not only self critics... very corrupt and they cannot bare if someone is doing good.. like Mumbai Thakres and Hyderabad KCR etc...Bihar & UP people they beaten up south indian who came to take the Railway Recruitment Exam.. It was not the case after imm Indepenece ..after 50 years of Independence.. they still watch international TV... Indian expect Australions to not to show their racism... but we are bloody racists and castists and regionalist..etc
 Ram Reddy Challa replied to: Amit 
 post - 09 Feb, 2010

18: I for one is also eager to know what a survey on western couterparts will come up with. :) - Nisha (iITPRO.NET)
Posted by: Nisha - 08 Feb, 2010

19:This statement is absolutly correct. Why did 'Quantum Step' survey the other part of the world. If they did, they will know for themself the loop holes involved in there system.
 vinay replied to: Nisha 
 post - 28 Feb, 2010

20: India is in for the Marathon and not a Sprinter when it comes to changes! The point is - is it queuing to get to the Starting Line!
Posted by: Jayachandra - 08 Feb, 2010

21: The reaction to this article sort of validates the article. There is nothing new in the article, these observations have been made in the past and many companies are sensitizing executives towards this. However it is difficult to change overnight patterns depply ingrained in the Indain psyche.
On the otherhand there are many European companies who want to do business in India learning about Indian behavioral patterns in order to effectively deal with us.
Posted by: Alex - 08 Feb, 2010

22:Absolutely.
 OneOpinion replied to: Alex 
 post - 08 Feb, 2010

23: Whats sort of title is that... it dosent go with the contents... guess the author is too much into reality show.

Quantum Steps tried to identify the business barriers in doing business - Instead of listing the barriers and the solution to overcome it, looks like topic got side tracked to some individuals frustration.
I am wondering why sales pitch is attracted towards women - all u want is talented people either men or women should not be a concern.


Socialization with office colleagues and indians is not suffecient enough... what more is expected - spent 24*7 with client and go vacation with them...
Posted by: Amir - 08 Feb, 2010

24:The title is absolutely on target. Quantum Steps was asked to conduct a survey, not produce a White Paper on Male Indian antics.

As for Indian women, they, from my perspective, seem to be more advanced in the fields of Applied Intelligence, honesty in the workplace, collaboration with their colleagues and have the innate ability to easily form friendships witohut giving up their integrity.

I cannot say the same for the men. When they come here on their H1 visas, they only have one thing in mind.....making money and to hell with social norms, advancement of their standard of living or effective interaction and exchange of ideas. They are, as this article points out..."reluctant to disagree". And why should they want to disagree when they can more easily agree and pocket the money because after all, sooner and later they will be returning to India, loaded with cash.

So the formula is: just do the job, do what you are told, take the money and return home richer than you ever could in India.
 OneOpinion replied to: Amir 
 post - 08 Feb, 2010

25: Well written well observed this news is 100% correct and it is a clerical mentality which shows a tendency not open to new ideas and not good for science. Even if there are few who are not in this category there is a whole universe of frog mentality in India who will pull others back. Added to this Indian women work force make it more worse. Indian HR is the worst in the world there are just ducks sitting there. After I came back from working overseas I see that most of the high rank officials in India just donot work they sit there doing nothing and girls are even worse just have drink parties and dance and talk all rubbish.
Posted by: dennis - 08 Feb, 2010

26:This is a boneless statement. It doesnt have any clue for iteself. Indian market is growing not because of some calfs. they are moving up just because of the skills and strategy they put in practice make this imporvement happen.
 vinay replied to: dennis 
 post - 28 Feb, 2010

27: "..........Indians display a reluctance to disagree, a tendency to over-commit and a lack of transparency in sharing information".

These are the classic characteristics of congenitally clerical minds. Indians will always be the world's best clerks.
Posted by: OneOpinion - 08 Feb, 2010

28:That's quite a derrogatory remark. Whatever nationality one belongs to you will notice that each one relates oneself better to their own circle with similar habbits and cultural background. From there to catagorise INDIANS not being social amongst the locals of the country they live in is A PRETTY MEAN ANALYSIS. I've been living in France for more than 3 decades and i don't see an ounce of truth in the above article...be it with me or all Indian's settled (living here permanently/ on short visit). In fact it's pretty difficulty to even have an all Indian evening because until this day nobody even thinks in that direction. I have a very strong feeling that we Indian's criticise ourselves a little too easily ... a colonised legacy?
 anjan replied to: OneOpinion 
 post - 08 Feb, 2010

29: Be Objective, Think Objective, Live Objective. I have lived overseas for 40 years and there is an overwhelming truth that this article underscores. When an Objective remark is taken as derogatory, it stunts growth and impedes progress.

If you want to play in the international arena, start thinking with an international mindset. It's illogical to expect the rest of the world to accept third-world countries as they are, clutural differences not withstanding. If you want to play, then get with the program or suffer the indignities of avoidance and the "joys" of being ignored and left to your own way of life.
 OneOpinion replied to:  anjan 
 post - 08 Feb, 2010

30:
The article is not derogatory and to some extent quite true. In any case, it is an opinion of people surveyed. But ...
"Indians will be always world's best clerks" - this is definitely derogatory and factually incorrect. Indians have proven themselves in many fields, whether it is science & technology or business. The world over, you will find Indians in all kinds of jobs, but rarely a clerk job.

Most eastern cultures are hierarchical and disagreeing with seniors or people in authority is considered not good, and this reflects in the behavior of Indians with their western clients/executives. Rather than understanding the role of cultural differences of East/West in the survey results, and taking steps/training to counter balance its effects, you answer seems to be that Indians are good clerks - that too "always"!
 Sudhir  replied to: OneOpinion 
 post - 08 Feb, 2010

31: Yes, "always". Refer to my other posts (above and below) for a holistical view on Indian males.
 OneOpinion replied to: Sudhir 
 post - 08 Feb, 2010

32:And here's another favorite of mine: ".....Indians working onshore in Europe made little attempt to integrate with local employees, preferring instead to socialise and live with other Indians".

This attitude is so glaringly apparent, it's not funny. About 7 or 8 male Indians falling out of a Toyota Corolla is a common sight in the West. Another common trait is seeing an Indian family stepping out of a Mercedes Benz, decked out in gold and silver Indian saris and their men in suits (for some reason), shopping the hell out of WalMart.

As for "....the "awkwardness" with which Indian men interacted with women", is legendary in its own right. I have come across many Indian women who could leave the best Indian male technical minds in the dust, but they have had to take subservient positions when Indian men were around. The women seemed more advanced and modernized in their views and in their interactions with their Western colleagues. I myself would be kind in using the word "awkward" to describe the interactions between Indian men and Western women. Let me say this: They don't have a clue, not a damn clue and Indian actors by the way, epitomize the clueless Indian male.
 OneOpinion replied to: OneOpinion 
 post - 08 Feb, 2010

33: well whoever you are OneOpinion let me give u this straight, its a free world if u dare to be urself u can win the world, "do as the romans do" so u want to tell us we shuld kill humans if we land into iraq? u are putting baseless talks , you are putting in ur experiences and frustrations in here thats what u are doing!
 Rohit Pahalwan replied to:  OneOpinion 
 post - 15 Feb, 2010

34: Why blame the respondents alone? The questions were asked by quantum step, and the guy PR-ing is an indian.
If the questions are narrow, so will be the answers.

I dont know about the behaviours being discussed here and their ubiquitousness, but this is damn good PR.
Posted by: Raj - 08 Feb, 2010

35: I have a counter question for you. Did you check how many westners are willing to change their attitude towards Indians like learning to pronounce Indian names, Learn Indian festivals, etc. I can list more. Do you have guts to ask them about these issues.
Posted by: Srinivasa Varrey - 08 Feb, 2010

36:You are playing in their theatre, they are not playing in yours. So learn to adapt their ways if you want to compete. Those interested in the Indian way of life visit India to research and investigate. You should do the same when you are there.
 OneOpinion replied to: Srinivasa Varrey 
 post - 08 Feb, 2010

37: so what? business is business nd social interaction is something else. Why shouldn't Indians doing business in Europe socialize with their own kind, as they have several things in common, cultural, social, culinary, ...

And what does " in Continental Europe, India's attitude towards caste and gender issues impact India's position " mean? How does caste creep in Continental Europe? It seems to me that this is a reflexive rehashing of tired old cliches.
Posted by: Krishna - 08 Feb, 2010

38:You don't seem to get it, so let me put it more simply: "When in Rome, do as the Romans do". This may be the first time you've heard this proverb.

When you visit a country that's not yours, you are expected to participate and blend in.....not stand out like a sore thumb.
 OneOpinion replied to: Krishna 
 post - 08 Feb, 2010

39: Well first of all why is every post on this site showing frustrations only with Indians?
What you got "Banglored" or what?
Oh! Indians are brown, Indian employees are curry munchers! Indian mens flirt with women!( Wtf! shuld they flirt with men then?), are Indians from Mars and Europeans from Venus?... blah! blah! blah! wth!

You need cheap Indian slaves to work like Dogs for you!
So u can cut ur costs and then at the time of need, kick them out right in the first place!
No one aint helping us by doing business with us, or hiring our ppl! They are doing it to squeeze more profits!

I`ve been watching these posts on your site lately many i suspect many are just for cheap publicity and Misleading!

Who knows in your madness you people may post few more posts like,"why not atack India?","Indians should be burned alive!","Peal off skins of these Brownys!"
Guys!
There is something very serious about you all! You all need a psychiatrist!
Dont preach some Sh*t to people! Broaden your view!
i have got a survey for the writer too...
In a Survey Conducted by me including 4 Employees of Top 4 Indian Companies proved you are 60% a F*g and 40% a Normal Being!
Well! that should provide an answer to Validity of your so called Management research about Indians going here!
Posted by: Rohit Pahalwan - 08 Feb, 2010

40:"Indian mens flirt with women!". If they do then that would be a step forward. But that's wishful thinking. And if you mean, Western women......dream on.
 OneOpinion replied to: Rohit Pahalwan 
 post - 08 Feb, 2010

41: Europeans and Americans think they are rightful in judging others. At the same time, if someone judges them, they cannot take it. Living in US over 15 years, I observe constantly this. They ridicule at Indians pronouncing western names but do not feel bad at all butchering Indian names. If we try to correct it, they feel ashamed.

They openly ridicule arranged marriages. At the same time if we comment about divorce rate in US, they shy way from it.
Posted by: Krish Kura - 08 Feb, 2010

42:Again.....you are on THEIR turf and in THEIR theatre. Stay on if you like it and enjoy the show, or else.......leave and return to India. Simple.

Take for example Richard Greer kissing the Indian actress and that on the cheek. Male Indian hypocrites launch a riot against both individuals. And Why? Because it was against Indian norms. In this instance Richard Greer was on your turf and expected to heed albeit hypocritical Indian social customs. And when he didn't guys like you had a field day.
 OneOpinion replied to: Krish Kura 
 post - 08 Feb, 2010

43: When they can't ignore Indians, they start judging them. Cheap! Every human comes with a backlog of his culture,and Indians are not exceptions. These westerners should look inside themselves first before pointing towards others.
Posted by: Motion - 08 Feb, 2010

44:"When they can't ignore Indians, they start judging them". Trust me.......they can and they do.
 OneOpinion replied to: Motion 
 post - 08 Feb, 2010

45: Off the lines-Between the lines!

"Often, the Indian teams that are sent to make a sales pitch, don't include even a single woman..." So that is the basic problem!
And even if those are so included they...

"made little attempt to integrate with local employees, preferring instead to socialise and live with other Indians."

Ha! Ha ! Ha!
Posted by: Suhas - 08 Feb, 2010

46:lol very nice Suhas! You got them! lol!
I think the writer lost his last job coz of an Indian!
or probably his Wife/Daughter to an Indian.
 Rohit Pahalwan replied to: Suhas 
 post - 08 Feb, 2010

47:I am indian have been staying in Germany past 12 years and i can tell you the same about Germany, also most of Germanies have problems speaking with english even if they know overall its a culture thing and human nature why single out only us Indians
 Younus replied to: Suhas 
 post - 08 Feb, 2010

48: This trait can also either be called as ghulami mentality or inferiority complex...
Posted by: Gautam Bardoloi - 08 Feb, 2010

49:Very Well said :-) I can see every where in all Indian organizations from top to bottom.
 Pravs replied to: Gautam Bardoloi 
 post - 08 Feb, 2010

50: Indian businesses expect employees to behave so, hence the trait. But if it gets the work done, so should it matter much?
Posted by: SPG - 08 Feb, 2010

51: Even if the Europeans say that Indians dont mix up in the community, I would say they dont leave a choice, if you go to a get togather, you would see after the initial hellos they will switch to their language and you will be stranded or else they would like to know how poor India is. Over the lunch they will make judgment on you based on what anf how much you eat. I read a comment below regarding fake taxi bills and stuff, well that is because most of the Indian companies who send them on delegation would not give them sufficent funds to go even for a decent lunch, how would you expect the poor fellow to meet his needs. As for transperancy I have worked for last 10 years in european companies and I felt they are more restrained in sharing information, because they dont trust Indians as such.
Posted by: Kushal - 08 Feb, 2010

52: I am in Indian and have been overseas so many times talking to clients and being in meetings that have included many women. I dont want to totally disagree with what is said above. There is culture factor however, the sample size is too less to compare against all the work that is being outsourced to India. Many people from overseas have been very happy to work with me, and yes those include Women too :)In fact many have prefered to talk to me on business than with my counterparts based overseas. Its the language that you communicate in that matters (by this I dont mean English, German French or any other one). The language here means how do you handle the situation and what is the communication level.
Posted by: Victoriakumar - 08 Feb, 2010

53: All these problems are due to the medieval bureocracy and the kind of politics it promotes. we need to have a better form government which does what it says....
Posted by: aman - 07 Feb, 2010

54:Blaming govt for everything is not correct. Here they have scrutinized Indians, but once start doing the same with other country employees, u'll find the same results there again.
 Rahul replied to: aman 
 post - 08 Feb, 2010

55: I have witnessed these aspects of Indian several times, in US. Many outsource employees do wearied things at client place. For example asking cab drivers extra bill, refusing welcome lunch at client place and preferring eating POLIOGREY alone instead, not being professionally dressed, talking loudly in the office, being a yes man of reporting manager at client place
Organizations should sensitize employees on the cultural and professional aspect before sending them onsite. That applies to even reputed IT companies in India.
Posted by: SMR - 07 Feb, 2010

56: I believe that same applies to US and Europe also. For last 6 years, I am working as a Transfer Pricing Consultant to lot of MNEs operating in India. When it comes to getting information about business from Parent Company or other group companies operating in US or Europe, we feel it is really a tough task to get information from them.
Posted by: Gaurav Garg - 07 Feb, 2010

57: suggest that the survey done the other way to see the perception from India outward...
Also caste is something that we don't even think, surprising to see the comment...
35 companies a smaller sample to say this... however India based business is the order of the day for any country...
Posted by: GR Reddy - Husys HR Function Outsourcing - 07 Feb, 2010

58: I am not sure about the over committed part but i do feel that Indians are skeptical and do not easily differ.
Posted by: Ameya - 07 Feb, 2010

59:I do feel the same. The Europeans especially Germans do not share information so easily...So we can not say that this is problem with only Indians. Its applicable to all.
 Rajib replied to: Ameya 
 post - 07 Feb, 2010

60: rightly said rajib....have been staying in germany for past 3 years...and i can tell you the same about germans....dont mix up pretty easily....dont disclose info as easily......also most of europeans have problems speaking with english even if they know.....overall its a culture thing and human nature...why single out only us indians
 manoj replied to:  Rajib 
 post - 08 Feb, 2010
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