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New Delhi: "India in 2030 will be most educated in the world. The world must realize that future human capital will flow from India. They should make our population literate and take the benefit," Human Resource Development (HRD) Minister Kapil Sibal said in an event organized by computer giant HP and TV channel CNBC.
He also reiterated his point that his ministry is in touch with Nandan Nilekani, the chief of Unique Identity Authority for an UID for every single student.
"Nandan has told me that he will work with us."
Sibal also stressed the need for an education finance corporation, which will help refinancing education with a long-term goal and provide education loans to all needy students.
All secondary schools in India will have a computer teacher each and the central government will bear the related expenses, Sibal said.
"We have now a policy. All schools will have an ICT (Information and Communications Technology) teacher. We will pay their salary, which is
10,000 per month," Sibal said to highlight the need for technology to better educational scenario in the country.
"We are open to any technology solution (provided by private sectors) but it should not be elitist. The real problem is in rural India and we must keep that in mind. I think, the private sector can collaborate with government and train these ICT teachers," he said.
"Our focus is on giving every child an opportunity."
Sibal also said that all states should chip in to improve education and make right to education a success.
"It is not about politics, it is about education... it's about every single child. We need a system in place for quality education and quality teachers."
The minister also said that India will be most educated country in the world by 2030 and it will be the key to provide intellectual capital to all countries.
He also reiterated his point that his ministry is in touch with Nandan Nilekani, the chief of Unique Identity Authority for an UID for every single student.
"Nandan has told me that he will work with us."
Sibal also stressed the need for an education finance corporation, which will help refinancing education with a long-term goal and provide education loans to all needy students.
All secondary schools in India will have a computer teacher each and the central government will bear the related expenses, Sibal said.
"We have now a policy. All schools will have an ICT (Information and Communications Technology) teacher. We will pay their salary, which is
10,000 per month," Sibal said to highlight the need for technology to better educational scenario in the country. "We are open to any technology solution (provided by private sectors) but it should not be elitist. The real problem is in rural India and we must keep that in mind. I think, the private sector can collaborate with government and train these ICT teachers," he said.
"Our focus is on giving every child an opportunity."
Sibal also said that all states should chip in to improve education and make right to education a success.
"It is not about politics, it is about education... it's about every single child. We need a system in place for quality education and quality teachers."
The minister also said that India will be most educated country in the world by 2030 and it will be the key to provide intellectual capital to all countries.
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11: Frist our HRD minister has to implement the
promise what they assured to provide 9
plus 9 plus 9 plus quota total 27% in IIT and IIM.
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Posted by: manoharan - 31 Jan, 2011
12: Why these politicans always say we will be
the most ___________ in the world in 20XX (XX
= present year + 10/20). No real achievement
today, but always a promised bright future.
Posted by: aguputa - 25 Mar, 2010
13: The matter in our study has more theory it
should have more real implementation in our
real life.
Posted by: Raghvendra Kr. Mishra - 23 Mar, 2010
14: blah blah blah.. Quit looking into your
crystal balls ..
Posted by: govindarajan - 22 Mar, 2010
15: we are having degrees but no jobs.........
Posted by: saurabh - 22 Mar, 2010
16: Yaad Aaa Rahi hai ! Teri Yaad Aa Rahi hai !
Sibal ji, Pitroda Ji where r u ?
Posted by: vu3int - 22 Mar, 2010
17: absolutely sir but the way of teaching should
be changed it should be more practical
orinted than theoritical... because in forign
contries many school students designing the
robot but in our country many enginnering
students doesnt know the working of
robot...its the real fact why we are
suffering...
Posted by: s.k.deepika - 22 Mar, 2010
18:i m agree with you .
as i m a engg student but i m not knowing what is robotic and how it work.
our study is only theoretical with little and fixed piratical.
we suffering from bad system of study.........
as i m a engg student but i m not knowing what is robotic and how it work.
our study is only theoretical with little and fixed piratical.
we suffering from bad system of study.........
amjad replied to: s.k.deepika
post - 26 Mar, 2010
post - 26 Mar, 2010
19: oh! gr8 again another statement and further
predictions, may be mr. sibal be rite bt is
this correct to go with a system that even is
not worth to provide knowledge that can
satisfy us for instance to understand
industry aspect too... so to my point of view
it's better to change the system and really
ig it changes we will aschieve the target as
an by- product only
Posted by: @hec - 21 Mar, 2010
20: In 2030, Every person have
BE/BTECH/ME/MTECH/PHD degrees but no any jobs
in hand. Abhi berolgari hai education ki kami
se in 2030 me berojgari hogi No of Degree
holder candidates se. Aajkal
BE/BTECH/ME/MTECH degree lena bahut asan hai,
but es degree se kuch sikhna apne aap me
bahut difficult hai. Beacuse, aajkal mostly
faculty aise hai jiske pass to degree kaphi
higher hai(such as first class BE/BTECH and
first class ME/MTECH) but knowledge zero hai.
Es tarah ke naye naye norms se sayad student
ka kalya ho jaega 2030 tak. So, please I
request you change the current education
system athorwise in 2030 Indian people will
face lots of problems regarding job.
Posted by: Ajay Kumar - 21 Mar, 2010
21:Man, education nothing to do with job, didn't
u get enough knowledge to start ur business
and give employment.
ramesh replied to: Ajay Kumar
post - 23 Mar, 2010
post - 23 Mar, 2010
22: India has always been in the top countries
having its larger population literate and
human resource has always flown from India
due to various lackings on the part of the
government and its policies. This is evident
with the fact that Indians / Indian origins
can be found all across the world and into
all fields. Gradually due to population
explosion all the figures are going to docks
and the country is in mayhem. I am surprised,
the government is not doing enough to control
the countries population which has turned
into a liability over time.
It is quite natural that when you try to maintain a family of ten when you are able only for 4 that your statistics are not favourable. Even if you have an yearly increase in the growth rate as positive, you actual surplus goes negative. ........and by the time you educate 10 out of 10, another 100 comes in queue, reducing your performance to 10% from 100%.
It is quite natural that when you try to maintain a family of ten when you are able only for 4 that your statistics are not favourable. Even if you have an yearly increase in the growth rate as positive, you actual surplus goes negative. ........and by the time you educate 10 out of 10, another 100 comes in queue, reducing your performance to 10% from 100%.
Posted by: Chandrachurh Ghosh - 21 Mar, 2010
23: Nandan (in last night cocktail party) has
told (over a casual conversation) me (only)
that he (after retirement) will work (join
politics) with us ( in congress party)”
Posted by: dinu - 21 Mar, 2010
24: Thank you Nostradamus
No responsibility, No accountability, No action, Only prediction
All it mean is, - Don’t expect anything in 5 years –
“Nandan has told me that he will work with us” … … HA ha ha this is how this govt operates.
No responsibility, No accountability, No action, Only prediction
All it mean is, - Don’t expect anything in 5 years –
“Nandan has told me that he will work with us” … … HA ha ha this is how this govt operates.
Posted by: Good Joke - 21 Mar, 2010
25: Absolutely, Mr. HRD Minister!
The way your government is making sure that education could only be the privilege of the rich, I see no reason to not believe that India will be the most educated by 2030.
The way your government is making sure that education could only be the privilege of the rich, I see no reason to not believe that India will be the most educated by 2030.
Posted by: Amol R - 21 Mar, 2010
26: Dear Sir, I am happy to note that you have
at least thought about rural India. Situation
is very severe. There are lot of schools
-more than needed. But most of them are with
minimum teachers. Science faculty in school
education is suffering a lot. Students are
appearing in exams without being taught in
Physics, Chemistry, Maths and Biology.Think
about future specially scientific future. Are
we going lead WORLD in this manner. This all
due lack of proper management as proper
trained people are there but often
misplaced.Politicians are mostly responsible
for the this scenerio. DEO are helpless and
can do nothing for improvement as most of
them are on their seat on political mercy.
Same situation is found in colleges if seriously situation is studied.
I do suggest follwings:- 1. Schools hrs should be more than 8hrs which would enhance teachers student interaction on one hand and minimise private tution.
2. Person drawing salary from state exchequer should be punished severely if found enganged in private tutions.
3. If there are not proper teachers in schools in that case no worknosalaryprinciple shoule be applicable to Ministers as well as Secretary and DEO and all concerned.
4.In collegesand schools CCTV camera should be placed in every class room. Whereever it is possible classes may be put on internet so that people may see that their tax money is properly being utilised.
5.For all these we need strong national commitment which lacks most of the present govts because of present polical scenerio.
Thanks.
Dr. H.S. Chauhan
www.chauhanhs.spaces.live.com
Same situation is found in colleges if seriously situation is studied.
I do suggest follwings:- 1. Schools hrs should be more than 8hrs which would enhance teachers student interaction on one hand and minimise private tution.
2. Person drawing salary from state exchequer should be punished severely if found enganged in private tutions.
3. If there are not proper teachers in schools in that case no worknosalaryprinciple shoule be applicable to Ministers as well as Secretary and DEO and all concerned.
4.In collegesand schools CCTV camera should be placed in every class room. Whereever it is possible classes may be put on internet so that people may see that their tax money is properly being utilised.
5.For all these we need strong national commitment which lacks most of the present govts because of present polical scenerio.
Thanks.
Dr. H.S. Chauhan
www.chauhanhs.spaces.live.com
Posted by: Dr. H.S. Chauhan - 21 Mar, 2010
27:Dear Indians,
I as a responsible citizen of India wants to highlights some points regarding this topic:
1) firstly in India our ministers set the target in figures? why?
why cant they do the things and show the results rather than just merely figures....
2) secondly and lastly, our govt. has surely enough resources and finances that each and every child of our country will be educated as free of cost, means no tuition fees, as it is in Germany. Why there is so seperation between students belonging from public and govt. schools.
i think work must be done at the basic primary levels at schools for the child(either rich or poor). then we can reach sky in merely realistic five years from now.
Thank you
I as a responsible citizen of India wants to highlights some points regarding this topic:
1) firstly in India our ministers set the target in figures? why?
why cant they do the things and show the results rather than just merely figures....
2) secondly and lastly, our govt. has surely enough resources and finances that each and every child of our country will be educated as free of cost, means no tuition fees, as it is in Germany. Why there is so seperation between students belonging from public and govt. schools.
i think work must be done at the basic primary levels at schools for the child(either rich or poor). then we can reach sky in merely realistic five years from now.
Thank you
Anmol Vats replied to: Dr. H.S. Chauhan
post - 21 Mar, 2010
post - 21 Mar, 2010
28: yo mann it will be a great boon for our
country's growth. but rather then bein
educated why shucd we so not n impart
parctial knowladge in students regarding
variour feilds so they can understand n
implement it well ven they will get heigher
education.....
dat would be evn better for our economic growth...
dat would be evn better for our economic growth...
Posted by: pranav gupta - 21 Mar, 2010
29: what so great in this fact?yes we will have
largest educated population , but is it
going to reduse unemployement?Education does
not mean literacy, it means knowledge wchich
is required by industry.Today most of the
companies are not hiring engineers , but
hiring normal B.SC,B.COM grads,and proving
them training according to their need. So
better option will be if GOVT's National
Authority Of Higher Education make
collaboration with industry, understand thier
requirement and educate(develop)
youth according to those skill sets and knowledge.
youth according to those skill sets and knowledge.
Posted by: Sandhya Verma - 21 Mar, 2010
30: Sibal ji likes of Pitroda who were talking
of knowledge mission /commission whatever
etc what happened to all that and all those
advisers. Any assessment of results achieved?
Posted by: vu3int - 21 Mar, 2010
31: Mr minister never talk of quality but always
the quantity. If we have the largest educated
population but that remains unemployable that
will create another problem. The problem of
largest umemployed manpower. Mr Minister
donot dilute the credibility of examinations
and let process select the best.
The right thing will be to have good quality higher education and each student for each stream must be capable of contributing into the field of his/her qualification.
PLEASE DONOT TALK ABOUT THE QUANTITY BUT THINK ABOUT QUALITY.
FOOD CANNOT ATTRACT STUDENTS TO SCHOOL NOR THE EASY PAYOFF LOAN WHAT WILL ENCOURAGE A STUDENT IS THE ASSURANCE OF EMPLOYMENT FOR HIM/HER SLELF AFTER COMPLETION OF EDUCATION
The right thing will be to have good quality higher education and each student for each stream must be capable of contributing into the field of his/her qualification.
PLEASE DONOT TALK ABOUT THE QUANTITY BUT THINK ABOUT QUALITY.
FOOD CANNOT ATTRACT STUDENTS TO SCHOOL NOR THE EASY PAYOFF LOAN WHAT WILL ENCOURAGE A STUDENT IS THE ASSURANCE OF EMPLOYMENT FOR HIM/HER SLELF AFTER COMPLETION OF EDUCATION
Posted by: Rakesh Mishra - 21 Mar, 2010
32:i agree this practical comment.
even now we cud find loads of engineering college in south but the academic n curricular facility lacks there despite of young brain den...we must think over it..
even now we cud find loads of engineering college in south but the academic n curricular facility lacks there despite of young brain den...we must think over it..
devendra kumar meshram replied to: Rakesh Mishra
post - 21 Mar, 2010
post - 21 Mar, 2010
33: it is a very god thing to try india for
educating india by 2030.but by giving
education is not the real purpose.because
before 10 years india gov t had a project
name as "sarba shikhsa abhijan" in which govt
is spending more mony but the effect is very
low.
secondly main purpose of study to know some thing by the inteluctual study.which is inspired by the lectures,which facilities is not available i india cauz such type of innovative lectures is not available in india.
every year china is producng more than 4 lakh phd students,in compairation to india 8-10 thousands.
which statics is wery low.
if india has to overcome india firstly china by 2030 then givt has to lok after the farmers.beecause in india about 60 percentages are farmers .hence india has to cover up the farmers first so that our aim can be achived.
secondly main purpose of study to know some thing by the inteluctual study.which is inspired by the lectures,which facilities is not available i india cauz such type of innovative lectures is not available in india.
every year china is producng more than 4 lakh phd students,in compairation to india 8-10 thousands.
which statics is wery low.
if india has to overcome india firstly china by 2030 then givt has to lok after the farmers.beecause in india about 60 percentages are farmers .hence india has to cover up the farmers first so that our aim can be achived.
Posted by: biswajit jayasingh. - 21 Mar, 2010
34: they are jst creating more labors for MNC. No
research is done in our country as compared
to others. In most of universities 90%
research are jst copied . Education system
should encourage students to do new things
instead of jst teachin regular thing of book.
In my agri university most of prof dont even
know basics . its very poor condition of
education in my field. no classes , no
lectures in ug and pg level. its fact.
Firstly Mr.Sabil should make straight this
peoples.
What they have done of sarva shiksha abhiyan, most of us knw that.
What they have done of sarva shiksha abhiyan, most of us knw that.
Posted by: aditya bakle - 21 Mar, 2010
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Sunil K Aggarwal replied to: aditya bakle
post - 21 Mar, 2010
post - 21 Mar, 2010
36: By 2030 God-willing there will be no schools,
no institutions or any formal kind of
education systems, not even the governments
of the kind, especially without politicians,
necessarily. They will have long ago been
vanished as days of Adam & Eve.
Research in every field shall be so extraordinary that the children born will be intellectuals at least much more than our present ones foresight, visions, projections and programs. Parents just have to follow the procedures to minimal specific "dose" for having what kind of it, in which particular field etc. they wish.
The mastery of the then parents will be in their height of ambitious imagination that will be the deciding factor for the futuristic humans.
Doesn't all that sound realistic if not a joke?
Research in every field shall be so extraordinary that the children born will be intellectuals at least much more than our present ones foresight, visions, projections and programs. Parents just have to follow the procedures to minimal specific "dose" for having what kind of it, in which particular field etc. they wish.
The mastery of the then parents will be in their height of ambitious imagination that will be the deciding factor for the futuristic humans.
Doesn't all that sound realistic if not a joke?
Posted by: ms m - 21 Mar, 2010
37: Yes it's as though we are starting from a
scratch beginning from now onward. At least
there is an agreement in the comments, on the
fact that 60 and more years had been
absolutely lost & utterly waisted and never
ever thought on the matter.
Posted by: Mohd Shafiq Mohiuddin - 21 Mar, 2010
38: the country like india where so many people r
in such a position that they can not find
food for 2 times in a day and most of time
stay with drink water , how u expect they can
educated in 2030.they can not survive
first.our expectation is so high........which
is impossible.
Posted by: asit kumar mohanty - 21 Mar, 2010
39: Lets Analyze the news
“in 2030 ..….….. NO ACCOUNTIBILITY don’t expect anything in 5 years, wait till 2030
"Nandan .. Will work with us." ….…OUTSOURCED it, not our responsibility
“THEY should make our population literate” ……”THEY” did you notice “THEY”
“We have now a policy” ….... POLICY, Think about that
“We will pay Rs.10k per month”…....A FAT TALK - Read next statement
“all states should chip in” ….. NO MONEY.. that 10k is should come from State Govt
“We need a system in place ….. NOTHING IS DONE
“India will be most educated country in the world by 2030” ……. Just Playing Astrologer
This is typical Kapil Sibal BIG TALK …. ….. which any road side TOUT can do.
“in 2030 ..….….. NO ACCOUNTIBILITY don’t expect anything in 5 years, wait till 2030
"Nandan .. Will work with us." ….…OUTSOURCED it, not our responsibility
“THEY should make our population literate” ……”THEY” did you notice “THEY”
“We have now a policy” ….... POLICY, Think about that
“We will pay Rs.10k per month”…....A FAT TALK - Read next statement
“all states should chip in” ….. NO MONEY.. that 10k is should come from State Govt
“We need a system in place ….. NOTHING IS DONE
“India will be most educated country in the world by 2030” ……. Just Playing Astrologer
This is typical Kapil Sibal BIG TALK …. ….. which any road side TOUT can do.
Posted by: Sarath - 21 Mar, 2010
40:
why 2030 ? What's the problem with now ?
dear minister can we liberate education system of India so that you politicians stop using and rationing the limited seats available in institutes. Why can't we open education to private parties so they can produce quality education, employment and make profit as well while educating India. Money will pour into this sector as other sectors we have seen. Why government can not become
only regulator ? Since we are I'll equipped mentally to fund the money required for India's education and will spend billions in defence procurement rather than education.
Libaration is the only way left for us. Are you prepaired or you still have an excuse about cost and quality which is never attained in govt schools.
why 2030 ? What's the problem with now ?
dear minister can we liberate education system of India so that you politicians stop using and rationing the limited seats available in institutes. Why can't we open education to private parties so they can produce quality education, employment and make profit as well while educating India. Money will pour into this sector as other sectors we have seen. Why government can not become
only regulator ? Since we are I'll equipped mentally to fund the money required for India's education and will spend billions in defence procurement rather than education.
Libaration is the only way left for us. Are you prepaired or you still have an excuse about cost and quality which is never attained in govt schools.
Posted by: Shafique Ansari - 21 Mar, 2010
41: It’s an extremely good ideal. However,
prior to this, we need to make sure that
quality education is reaching at primary
level in all the villages.
Primary schools in the villages are without teachers, no monitoring of the education quality is there in the villages, attendance rates are usually 50%. Till there is no equitable access to basic education, talks of education at higher level seems very shallow.
Primary schools in the villages are without teachers, no monitoring of the education quality is there in the villages, attendance rates are usually 50%. Till there is no equitable access to basic education, talks of education at higher level seems very shallow.
Posted by: Manjushree - 21 Mar, 2010
42: Yes that will be literate populace only. How
employable will they be only time can tell.
Posted by: sanjay chaudhary - 20 Mar, 2010
43: Being the most educated country is a strange
goal. Is he talking about degrees in
education or literacy or is he talking about
the educated behaviour of people?
As of now, even our educated class behaves like illiterates. And if we go by Shiela Dikshit's recent goal, she wants to change the behaviour of delhiwallahs overnight from rude to polite. :-)
So, I would like the govt to:
define education
set realistic goals
have a plan of action for the lower level goals so that the higher level goals can be achieved.
I find the govt wanting in all these.
As of now, even our educated class behaves like illiterates. And if we go by Shiela Dikshit's recent goal, she wants to change the behaviour of delhiwallahs overnight from rude to polite. :-)
So, I would like the govt to:
define education
set realistic goals
have a plan of action for the lower level goals so that the higher level goals can be achieved.
I find the govt wanting in all these.
Posted by: Kaushik - 20 Mar, 2010
44: Minister has become an astrologer
No responsibility, or action, Only prediction
All it mean is, - don't expect anything in 5 years -
Point taken Minister
No responsibility, or action, Only prediction
All it mean is, - don't expect anything in 5 years -
Point taken Minister
Posted by: Surya - 20 Mar, 2010
45:Very well said, Surya.
Actually I agree on long term goals but I don't think it helps if ministers just say things like: in 2120, we will be the best. :-)
Actually I agree on long term goals but I don't think it helps if ministers just say things like: in 2120, we will be the best. :-)
Kaushik replied to: Surya
post - 20 Mar, 2010
post - 20 Mar, 2010
46: I agree to the vision India:removing
illiteracy by 2030 but ministers these days
stay close to the figures in their books that
is far from actuality or in the field
site.
Our so called ministers have been misleading/fooling citizens settings these kinda objectives which in disguise is achieving their personal wealth attainment.
Also this dream is over-ruling Indian being Developed/Superpower by 2020 which shows his incapable efforts,planning to delay by 10 more years.
Talking about the system in place:-Systems are already in place but how often your survillance checks or improves it.
Our so called ministers have been misleading/fooling citizens settings these kinda objectives which in disguise is achieving their personal wealth attainment.
Also this dream is over-ruling Indian being Developed/Superpower by 2020 which shows his incapable efforts,planning to delay by 10 more years.
Talking about the system in place:-Systems are already in place but how often your survillance checks or improves it.
Posted by: Truly Indian - 20 Mar, 2010
47: Education is not an end or a aim in itself it
is only a means to an aim of Moksha . People
go for education as they have a need to
invent or have some necessity . People around
the world learned sanskrit because they
wanted to decrypt the vedas , countries
educated people as scientists like NASA
because they wanted to demystify the galaxy
or win wars like Germany.India has no focus
on genuine research and there are no policies
as yet . Politicians should come out with
consolidated and integrated policy documents
than to issue some vague catchy populist
statements . MM joshi had a genuine thinking
that he promoted ayurveda and jyotish
research and recognised these streams as
academic programmes in India . Even countries
like USA have adopted these subjects a great
deal but in India there is still not a
serious policy as exhorted by Ramdev .We need
grass root reforms and not a distracting
internalisation like Sibbal has in his minds.
Posted by: Sunil K Aggarwal - 20 Mar, 2010
48:What Crap?
what Veda, NASA, ayurveda, Jyotish has to do with this news? Sibal and Joshi are same people in two party, remember India Shining?
So cut the crap.
what Veda, NASA, ayurveda, Jyotish has to do with this news? Sibal and Joshi are same people in two party, remember India Shining?
So cut the crap.
Lalu replied to: Sunil K Aggarwal
post - 20 Mar, 2010
post - 20 Mar, 2010
49: Well, try to be a little polite while
arguing. Because I'm sure others don't have a
dearth of impolite words either.
What Sunil says makes sense to me. He has a different perspective.
And well, India was really shining at that time. It was still better than the crores of rupees spent on "mera bharat mahaan" stickers and posters at a time when India was struggling with hunger and basic livelihood problems.
"what Veda, NASA, ayurveda, Jyotish has to do with this news?"
Well, as I said in my comment above, the govt needs to define education before setting such goals. If education is a set of degrees, then degrees in what? Without a definition, you cannot say that what Sunil wrote is unrelated to the news.
What Sunil says makes sense to me. He has a different perspective.
And well, India was really shining at that time. It was still better than the crores of rupees spent on "mera bharat mahaan" stickers and posters at a time when India was struggling with hunger and basic livelihood problems.
"what Veda, NASA, ayurveda, Jyotish has to do with this news?"
Well, as I said in my comment above, the govt needs to define education before setting such goals. If education is a set of degrees, then degrees in what? Without a definition, you cannot say that what Sunil wrote is unrelated to the news.
Kaushik replied to: Lalu
post - 20 Mar, 2010
post - 20 Mar, 2010
50: “India in 2030 will be most educated in the
world …. IF ….. x happens, y
happens…
"Nandan has told me that he will work with us." …how fortunate are we…. 98% of india don’t know Nandan, except elites and Infy staff
“They should make our population literate and take the benefit” … great sir it is now the worlds responsibility not the govts
“We have now a policy” ….. thank you … thank you …. for the policy.. we already started feeling good
“We will pay their salary, which is Rs.10,000 per month”….. what about salary of the math, and language teachers, who will pay that?
“all states should chip in to improve education” ….. that 10k will be paid by State Govt…It was expected
“We need a system in place for quality education and quality teachers”….. so FACT is nothing is in place yet
“The minister also said that India will be most educated country in the world by 2030” ……. Thank you Nostradamus and Silicon India
Dear Minister how is the cocktail?
"Nandan has told me that he will work with us." …how fortunate are we…. 98% of india don’t know Nandan, except elites and Infy staff
“They should make our population literate and take the benefit” … great sir it is now the worlds responsibility not the govts
“We have now a policy” ….. thank you … thank you …. for the policy.. we already started feeling good
“We will pay their salary, which is Rs.10,000 per month”….. what about salary of the math, and language teachers, who will pay that?
“all states should chip in to improve education” ….. that 10k will be paid by State Govt…It was expected
“We need a system in place for quality education and quality teachers”….. so FACT is nothing is in place yet
“The minister also said that India will be most educated country in the world by 2030” ……. Thank you Nostradamus and Silicon India
Dear Minister how is the cocktail?
Posted by: Nandan - 20 Mar, 2010
51:That's very well dissected, Nandan.
I'm also surprised that this govt wants us to feel good by making a promise in an undefined area AND wants foreign countries and state govt to bear the expenses. What about the "education" cess and the "higher education" cess we are paying on everything since the last 5 years to teh CENTRAL govt? :-)
I'm also surprised that this govt wants us to feel good by making a promise in an undefined area AND wants foreign countries and state govt to bear the expenses. What about the "education" cess and the "higher education" cess we are paying on everything since the last 5 years to teh CENTRAL govt? :-)
Kaushik replied to: Nandan
post - 20 Mar, 2010
post - 20 Mar, 2010
52:India will rule the world in 2025….
We have a dream in place, Sachin will work with us, we have thought about a policy too, State govts should fund that, The poor people in india should think about that, The govt should put a system in place,
India will rule the world in 2025….
What a crap talk….. CNBC, Silicon India… what a sold-out media
We have a dream in place, Sachin will work with us, we have thought about a policy too, State govts should fund that, The poor people in india should think about that, The govt should put a system in place,
India will rule the world in 2025….
What a crap talk….. CNBC, Silicon India… what a sold-out media
Sourav replied to: Nandan
post - 20 Mar, 2010
post - 20 Mar, 2010
53: its happy knowing the potent we have,but it
be a dream if we dont take it in right
direction.the time has come for a massive
change in our education system.its happy
knowing that few are indulged towards making
a progress in our education system. practical
knowledge should be imparted to students,we
have only very few good colleges of iit
standards...
we have to concern those areas too........
we have to concern those areas too........
Posted by: siddharth a - 20 Mar, 2010
54: We are making our people educated,that is a
great thing. Our education system is like
making people as computers as memorizing
instruments. Today our educated people even
unable to utilize the fundamental right of
vote in the democracy to elect more worhtful
candidate . They are unabale to do
so.Through this exameple we can understand
where we are. Our education instituions
encouraging non-voactional education. That
is big problem in near to our country. Try
to encourage vocational education system, out
people can understand on their own legs.
Indirectly we can curbing crime,terrorism,all
anti-social activities.
It is the duty of the people who treat them as intellecturals of this country. To make our system more standardful
It is the duty of the people who treat them as intellecturals of this country. To make our system more standardful
Posted by: K.Vijaya Mohan Raj - 20 Mar, 2010
55: Indian education is like this .The system of
eduction is " teaching something about
everything " . It should be focussed on
teaching " Every thing about something " .
Good day to you all
Posted by: M.MOHAN - 20 Mar, 2010
56:I disagree with this because in fact, I think
Indians try to learn everything about
something. Instead, we should first learn
something about everything and then try to
specialise.
Also, there are pitfalls of both. If there is a dearth of specialised people, specific problems are unsolved and require import of talent.
If there is a dearth of "jacks of all trades", people become dependent on other specialised people or gadgets to do simple tasks, as in the USA.
Also, there are pitfalls of both. If there is a dearth of specialised people, specific problems are unsolved and require import of talent.
If there is a dearth of "jacks of all trades", people become dependent on other specialised people or gadgets to do simple tasks, as in the USA.
Kaushik replied to: M.MOHAN
post - 21 Mar, 2010
post - 21 Mar, 2010
57: yes education is very important and should be
available to everyone. With education comes
the need for jobs. There must be ample or an
abundance of jobs available too. Plan for
both.
Posted by: Christie Fox - 20 Mar, 2010
58: Great the review of my fellow Indians. I
would like to ask them Something. "Thus a
person without an AIM ever succeed?" I
suppose the answer is NO. Then why are we
criticizing a Mr. Sibil for presenting before
us the AIM of making India the most educate
Country in the world. Why can't we just
support and chip in whatever we can.
I seriously suppose it is time we stop criticizing and start working.
I support his Idea completely. And I'm sorry to say I don't know any labour class person who is computer literate.
I kindly request you to rise above Politics and do something.
Jai Hind..
I seriously suppose it is time we stop criticizing and start working.
I support his Idea completely. And I'm sorry to say I don't know any labour class person who is computer literate.
I kindly request you to rise above Politics and do something.
Jai Hind..
Posted by: Karan Kumar - 20 Mar, 2010
59:Why we are criticising him is because:
1. The goal of becoming the best in something is a very vague goal and in all probability, will never be achieved. And anyway, after 30 years, his party will not take the blame if it is not. He may even be around to take the blame personally.
2. This is a country that LACKS education. We are not even in the race. However, the goal, instead of trying to educated a certain number or percentage of people, is just saying, we will win the race.
3. We are already paying education and higher education cess to the govt since a time when there was no goal. And now, there is a goal but the govt is saying they won't do anything. The state govts and foreign companies are being expected to take the responsibility. So, tell me, Karan, how is this above politics?
1. The goal of becoming the best in something is a very vague goal and in all probability, will never be achieved. And anyway, after 30 years, his party will not take the blame if it is not. He may even be around to take the blame personally.
2. This is a country that LACKS education. We are not even in the race. However, the goal, instead of trying to educated a certain number or percentage of people, is just saying, we will win the race.
3. We are already paying education and higher education cess to the govt since a time when there was no goal. And now, there is a goal but the govt is saying they won't do anything. The state govts and foreign companies are being expected to take the responsibility. So, tell me, Karan, how is this above politics?
Kaushik replied to: Karan Kumar
post - 21 Mar, 2010
post - 21 Mar, 2010
60: Those who do not have anything to show are
showing rosy pictures in distant future.
Kapil Sibbal is only politician with no record of any achievements so he must talk about 2030, not 2010.
Kapil Sibbal is only politician with no record of any achievements so he must talk about 2030, not 2010.
Posted by: nisha - 20 Mar, 2010
61: Dear Concerned,
Yeah,India may be the most educated country in the world by 2030 but never in terms of science and Technology. I think educated persons will not appreciate your new policy of appointing ICT at schools. I feel now a days computer can operated by even a uneducated mason and carpenter. Just think, how many uneducated people operate multimedia mobile phone without anybodies assistance. Did you train them?
Try to think of doing something great. Support research and development by establishing research labs with state-of-the-art instrumentation and good emolument for researchers (it can stop brain drain). Do you know, how much government is giving fellowship for researchers (for JRF/SRF and RAs)?, having masters and doctoral degree(respectively) they are working for small money, less than a primary school teachers salary! Is the government supporting science and technology? How many academically good talents do research? remember academically good talents opt IT and other fields due to money. If government provide good support most of them opt research and development.
India is in hands of Idiots. Everywhere corruption! Corrupt politicians, facing media saying we are people favor. I think implementation of each and every government scheme is to make government officials and politicians rich. Do not you people think so? It is not an exception in research organisations as well. For instance, government research funding agencies delaying release of each installment of grants even though PIs submitted their UC and statement of accounts in time, reason is expectation of money. They can not ask directly so they do like that. The same is in every government organisations. Problems for researchers: they may not get fellowship in time , sometimes it may get delayed for yrs due to negligence of government. do you think about their family? do not they have family? After all these government expecting good research from them. Do you (politicians) really think about future India? is it possible for them to carry out research.
Just sit for ten minutes and think in favor of future India rather than making money. I consider politics and prostitution are one and the same because both are concerned about making money!
Gurumurthy G P
Manipal
Yeah,India may be the most educated country in the world by 2030 but never in terms of science and Technology. I think educated persons will not appreciate your new policy of appointing ICT at schools. I feel now a days computer can operated by even a uneducated mason and carpenter. Just think, how many uneducated people operate multimedia mobile phone without anybodies assistance. Did you train them?
Try to think of doing something great. Support research and development by establishing research labs with state-of-the-art instrumentation and good emolument for researchers (it can stop brain drain). Do you know, how much government is giving fellowship for researchers (for JRF/SRF and RAs)?, having masters and doctoral degree(respectively) they are working for small money, less than a primary school teachers salary! Is the government supporting science and technology? How many academically good talents do research? remember academically good talents opt IT and other fields due to money. If government provide good support most of them opt research and development.
India is in hands of Idiots. Everywhere corruption! Corrupt politicians, facing media saying we are people favor. I think implementation of each and every government scheme is to make government officials and politicians rich. Do not you people think so? It is not an exception in research organisations as well. For instance, government research funding agencies delaying release of each installment of grants even though PIs submitted their UC and statement of accounts in time, reason is expectation of money. They can not ask directly so they do like that. The same is in every government organisations. Problems for researchers: they may not get fellowship in time , sometimes it may get delayed for yrs due to negligence of government. do you think about their family? do not they have family? After all these government expecting good research from them. Do you (politicians) really think about future India? is it possible for them to carry out research.
Just sit for ten minutes and think in favor of future India rather than making money. I consider politics and prostitution are one and the same because both are concerned about making money!
Gurumurthy G P
Manipal
Posted by: Gurumurthy G P - 20 Mar, 2010
62:Gud one
Mohit replied to: Gurumurthy G P
post - 21 Mar, 2010
post - 21 Mar, 2010
63:Education is not an end or a aim in itself it
is only a means to an aim of Moksha . People
go for education as they have a need to
invent or have some necessity . People around
the world learned sanskrit because they
wanted to decrypt the vedas , countries
educated people as scientists like NASA
because they wanted to demystify the galaxy
or win wars like Germany.India has no focus
on genuine research and there are no policies
as yet . Politicians should come out with
consolidated and integrated policy documents
than to issue some vague catchy populist
statements . MM joshi had a genuine thinking
that he promoted ayurveda and jyotish
research and recognised these streams as
academic programmes in India . Even countries
like USA have adopted these subjects a great
deal but in India there is still not a
serious policy as exhorted by Ramdev .We need
grass root reforms and not a distracting
internalisation like Sibbal has in his minds.
Sunil K Aggarwal replied to: Gurumurthy G P
post - 20 Mar, 2010
post - 20 Mar, 2010
64:hello gurumurthy
i just read your comment i accept your point now our government release a new scheme mean it for making money and publishing politics....people not think abt that they only expect theif offers.these are all done by even literate also.......but i consider education loan in our country is useful for most poor people
i just read your comment i accept your point now our government release a new scheme mean it for making money and publishing politics....people not think abt that they only expect theif offers.these are all done by even literate also.......but i consider education loan in our country is useful for most poor people
prabhusrinivasan replied to: Gurumurthy G P
post - 20 Mar, 2010
post - 20 Mar, 2010
65: as we have develpoing edu system . the edu
system should have the practicle knowledge
Posted by: abhishek - 20 Mar, 2010
66:yes its true
we have to change our type of education system
to have the knowledge in practical
can we do this?
we have to change our type of education system
to have the knowledge in practical
can we do this?
Jeyaraman baskaran replied to: abhishek
post - 20 Mar, 2010
post - 20 Mar, 2010
67: Education is not waste,
Education system has made education as waste.
HRD minister should concentrate in changing the education system.
The current education system gives only degrees, not knowledge.
So the government should concentrate in changing the education system rather than starting new varisities which doesnt provide any knowledge to the students.
If the quality of education has to improve then changing the education system is the only way.
Education system has made education as waste.
HRD minister should concentrate in changing the education system.
The current education system gives only degrees, not knowledge.
So the government should concentrate in changing the education system rather than starting new varisities which doesnt provide any knowledge to the students.
If the quality of education has to improve then changing the education system is the only way.
Posted by: student - 20 Mar, 2010
68: its beteer to beproductive rather than high
literacy rate.
Posted by: dara shyamsundar - 20 Mar, 2010
69: Seems long term. Sports meets contribute to
Educare and Education. 1 Goal to which I am
signatory makes the forthcoming world
football venue, to hallmark the advent of
Educare for one and Education for all. Nelson
Mandela and Kevin Rudd and many celebrities
apart the signatures of the common people
make this a vibrant echo. Action is called
for and NOW.
Posted by: Nayanika - 20 Mar, 2010
70: Yeah that would truly be a dream come true
for India..we too are working for the same
cause at our local city Ahmedabad..
Check out our work at: http://www.kitaabmarket.com
Check out our work at: http://www.kitaabmarket.com
Posted by: Kitaab Market - 20 Mar, 2010
71: I thought the Unique Identity Authority (UID)
was planned for every citizen, now he is
talking about UID for every student only,
news to me.
Dr. Singh, i have always known you to be a bad king who does not take care of his ministers. Here it is, this statement from Mr. Sibal proves that. For GODs' sake his health needs to be taken care of first before making him work like a donkey.
Dr. Singh, i have always known you to be a bad king who does not take care of his ministers. Here it is, this statement from Mr. Sibal proves that. For GODs' sake his health needs to be taken care of first before making him work like a donkey.
Posted by: biju - 20 Mar, 2010
72: Press Trust Of India / New Delhi March 18,
2010, 1:11 IST
After deciding to make Class X board exam optional, India’s premier school board Central Board of Secondary Education (CBSE) is set to go global by introducing a new syllabus for international students and would affiliate any school from any country from the next academic session.CBSE would introduce a new syllabus to make it on par with international boards like International Baccalaureate (IB).
The new syllabus will be only meant for international students and will be taught in the interested affiliated schools from abroad.
“From next session, CBSE will introduce a separate curriculum for international students. This will help the board to become an international board like IB,” a HRD ministry official said. However, CBSE will continue its existing curriculum for domestic students.
The new curriculum will be of international standards and give a global perspective to the subjects of study.
Citing an example, the official said while the subject of history in the existing syllabus mainly deals with Indian history, the new syllabus will focus on world history. Similarly, the syllabus of all subjects would be made keeping in view the curriculum of international boards. CBSE would introduce the new syllabus in Class I and Class IX in the next session. Then every year, the new syllabus would be introduced in a new class. “Over a few years, CBSE will have international standard syllabus for all classes,” he said.
After deciding to make Class X board exam optional, India’s premier school board Central Board of Secondary Education (CBSE) is set to go global by introducing a new syllabus for international students and would affiliate any school from any country from the next academic session.CBSE would introduce a new syllabus to make it on par with international boards like International Baccalaureate (IB).
The new syllabus will be only meant for international students and will be taught in the interested affiliated schools from abroad.
“From next session, CBSE will introduce a separate curriculum for international students. This will help the board to become an international board like IB,” a HRD ministry official said. However, CBSE will continue its existing curriculum for domestic students.
The new curriculum will be of international standards and give a global perspective to the subjects of study.
Citing an example, the official said while the subject of history in the existing syllabus mainly deals with Indian history, the new syllabus will focus on world history. Similarly, the syllabus of all subjects would be made keeping in view the curriculum of international boards. CBSE would introduce the new syllabus in Class I and Class IX in the next session. Then every year, the new syllabus would be introduced in a new class. “Over a few years, CBSE will have international standard syllabus for all classes,” he said.
Posted by: vu3int - 20 Mar, 2010
73: Computer application programming is just a
skill like carpentry, plumbing, embroidery,
house hold wiring etc .. Honourable Minister
Kabil Sibal should order the shut-down of all
meaningless graduate colleges and dump
universities or atleast 'upgrade' them to
vocational training centers.
Posted by: raman - 20 Mar, 2010
74: For a second I thought Silicon India have
moved Joke of the Day column to the top. Its
not only that has developed in last 2 decades
but host of other 3rd world countries as
well. We may have done better than others.
But nothing exceptional.
Posted by: Aditya Gupta - 20 Mar, 2010
75:yess india has ability to host the third
world but for this it must be necessary to
complit our responsibility carefully...chenge
the low mentlity to other people...and help
the needy person where this is
necessary....b'cus this is the real emage of
india....this is the only power of india to
host the thired world.....so we care
ful......
rajnish ranjan replied to: Aditya Gupta
post - 20 Mar, 2010
post - 20 Mar, 2010
76: In 2030 there is going to be two groups in
India because of this policy.
1) 100% educated group working as slave to MNC's.
2) 100% illiterate below poverty line.
After paying tax for past 60 years why cannot this government provide quality education free of cost to all, so that the future generation will be united.
Congress sucks
1) 100% educated group working as slave to MNC's.
2) 100% illiterate below poverty line.
After paying tax for past 60 years why cannot this government provide quality education free of cost to all, so that the future generation will be united.
Congress sucks
Posted by: Pravin - 20 Mar, 2010
77: 800 students protest new DTU status
Manash Pratim Gohain & TNN
New Delhi: After Delhi University (DU) vice-chancellors objection to the upgrading of Delhi College of Engineering (DCE) to a state university Delhi Technological University (DTU) it is now the turn of the students and teachers of the college to come out and protest against the move.Over 800 protesting students first gathered inside the DTU campus on Thursday and when police lathicharged them,they gathered near Rohini Courts complex.Later the protesters spilled over to the Ring Road at Prashant Vihar.
Pankaj Mishra,a final year student,said, Our college was earlier affiliated to a Central university and,as students,we know the benefits it brings while applying abroad or during placements.Instead of degrading the college to a state university,DCE should have been upgraded to IIT status or at least an NIT.We also demand that our vice-chancellor P B Sharma be removed.
Rajib Ray,a faculty member of Kirorimal College and also an elected member of DU executive council the highest decision-making body of the varsity had recently filed a writ petition in the Delhi High Court alleging that the DTU Act 2009 was unconstitutional.Admitting the petition,the HC had served notices to the government of NCT of Delhi,Union of India,Delhi Technological University (DTU) and Delhi University asking them to reply to the observations made in the petition.The matter would come up for hearing on April 14.
Speaking to The Times of India,Ray said, By enacting the Delhi Technological University Act 2009,Delhi legislative assembly has overstepped its power,authority and constitutional competence,and,hence,the Act is liable to be declared ultra vires and enacted without power,authority and competence.
In September 2009,as reported in The Times of India,DU vice-chancellor Deepak Pental wrote to the Lieutenant Governor of Delhi,Tejendra Khanna,saying : DCE is one of the constituent colleges of DU under statute 30 of the statutes of University of Delhi,and the name of the college also figures under the DU statutes.The DU statutes have been framed under Section 28 of Delhi University Act with the approval of the President of India in his capacity as the Visitor of DU.Therefore,it become mandatory for Delhi government to seek approval of the Central government before notifying the said Act in its official gazette.
Terming the DTU Act 2009 as unconstitutional and in violation of statutes of DU,Ray said no permission or approval was obtained from the DU executive council as was required under the ordinance of DU.
manash.gohain@timesgroup.com
Manash Pratim Gohain & TNN
New Delhi: After Delhi University (DU) vice-chancellors objection to the upgrading of Delhi College of Engineering (DCE) to a state university Delhi Technological University (DTU) it is now the turn of the students and teachers of the college to come out and protest against the move.Over 800 protesting students first gathered inside the DTU campus on Thursday and when police lathicharged them,they gathered near Rohini Courts complex.Later the protesters spilled over to the Ring Road at Prashant Vihar.
Pankaj Mishra,a final year student,said, Our college was earlier affiliated to a Central university and,as students,we know the benefits it brings while applying abroad or during placements.Instead of degrading the college to a state university,DCE should have been upgraded to IIT status or at least an NIT.We also demand that our vice-chancellor P B Sharma be removed.
Rajib Ray,a faculty member of Kirorimal College and also an elected member of DU executive council the highest decision-making body of the varsity had recently filed a writ petition in the Delhi High Court alleging that the DTU Act 2009 was unconstitutional.Admitting the petition,the HC had served notices to the government of NCT of Delhi,Union of India,Delhi Technological University (DTU) and Delhi University asking them to reply to the observations made in the petition.The matter would come up for hearing on April 14.
Speaking to The Times of India,Ray said, By enacting the Delhi Technological University Act 2009,Delhi legislative assembly has overstepped its power,authority and constitutional competence,and,hence,the Act is liable to be declared ultra vires and enacted without power,authority and competence.
In September 2009,as reported in The Times of India,DU vice-chancellor Deepak Pental wrote to the Lieutenant Governor of Delhi,Tejendra Khanna,saying : DCE is one of the constituent colleges of DU under statute 30 of the statutes of University of Delhi,and the name of the college also figures under the DU statutes.The DU statutes have been framed under Section 28 of Delhi University Act with the approval of the President of India in his capacity as the Visitor of DU.Therefore,it become mandatory for Delhi government to seek approval of the Central government before notifying the said Act in its official gazette.
Terming the DTU Act 2009 as unconstitutional and in violation of statutes of DU,Ray said no permission or approval was obtained from the DU executive council as was required under the ordinance of DU.
manash.gohain@timesgroup.com
Posted by: Sunil K Aggarwal - 20 Mar, 2010
78:
What is your policy or vision ? Do you have an approach policy/paper or any high level
forums or committees whose recommendations you are trying to implement
OR all this is your freak whims ? Could you be more open and transparent on the background documents which you may cite in your statements . There is nothing to feel shy in this after are you and Dr. MM Singh both are qualified ,accredited persons with certificates, no matter there has been dust biting in the matter of DTU Act 2009 , Right to education Act ,FDI in higher education bill etc etc and now this fluke.
Will there be any accredition in future that will obviate the constitutionally mandatory poll for the post of PM as has been Dr degree right now ?
What is your policy or vision ? Do you have an approach policy/paper or any high level
forums or committees whose recommendations you are trying to implement
OR all this is your freak whims ? Could you be more open and transparent on the background documents which you may cite in your statements . There is nothing to feel shy in this after are you and Dr. MM Singh both are qualified ,accredited persons with certificates, no matter there has been dust biting in the matter of DTU Act 2009 , Right to education Act ,FDI in higher education bill etc etc and now this fluke.
Will there be any accredition in future that will obviate the constitutionally mandatory poll for the post of PM as has been Dr degree right now ?
Posted by: vu3int - 20 Mar, 2010
79: Most educated,most productive,most
industrialised,most advanced,most
powerful,most richest are some of the
words,our politicians use to hood-wink our
country's poor people. Education without jobs
or opportunity for earnings is like creating
more educated beggars by the govt.
Posted by: Ramesh - 20 Mar, 2010
80: It is interesting that all Indians are
leaving all other occupations so as to become
top in Education. Minister did not see the
increasing population (300 Crores) and
decreasing agricultural products and
agricultural lands. Don't Indian students
need food as if they only want 'education'
for the coming 20 years.
Posted by: Marthanda Varma - 20 Mar, 2010
81:How can the Minister go through the paths of
education without eating, drinking, and other
day to day physical needs, straight to, or
is it a matter of "most educated" "India in
2030 will be most educated in the world.
Marthanda Varma replied to: Marthanda Varma
post - 20 Mar, 2010
post - 20 Mar, 2010
82: hrd minister is saying correctly and doing
well. now there is a need of making positive
change in the education system which is going
to be detoriated day by day and and in
present and future human resource people so
that they may be self disciplined. only then
our country will become a developed state.
Posted by: shashi bhushan kumar - 20 Mar, 2010
83:I am agree with Mr. Sibal but instead of
allowing the foreign universities he should
try to improve the quality of privates and
government universities already providing the
education.
Just do't copy the other simply try to improve our systems.
once in the past we were the master of education in the world and now we have to request the foreigner to come here and show us the way.IF OUR ANCESTOR CAN DO THIS ,WHY CAN'T WE?
Just do't copy the other simply try to improve our systems.
once in the past we were the master of education in the world and now we have to request the foreigner to come here and show us the way.IF OUR ANCESTOR CAN DO THIS ,WHY CAN'T WE?
VIVEK KUMAR TYAGI replied to: shashi bhushan kumar
post - 20 Mar, 2010
post - 20 Mar, 2010
84: In an interesting article,” Education:
India must learn from China” V Sridhar
& Kala Seetharam Sridhar (Business
Standard (June 1,2009) Wrote:
A quick China-India comparison with respect to enrolment in higher education is worthy of note. A look at the statistics indicates that the new enrolment for the Master's programme in engineering and management are about 125,000 and 45,000 in China respectively.
However, in India the number of students enrolled in a Masters programme in engineering is about 20,000, of which the share of Indian Institute of Technology (IIT) is a mere 2,800.
In management, the elite Indian Institute of Management (IIM) altogether have about 1,400 seats for the PGDBM (MBA) programme. The number of students enrolled in PhD programmes in engineering and management in China is about 22,000 and 5,000 respectively.
India graduates less than 1,000 PhD students in engineering. Each IIM graduates on the average 5-7 FPM (PhD) students per year, which makes it very inefficient to even conduct classes.
This stark difference in numbers should set alarm bells ringing for the high-tech industries in India, which boast of huge professional manpower as the reason for their growth and outsourcing opportunities.
Can we withstand yet another beating, this time in higher education, by the Chinese? What are the reasons for such a disparity?
The main reason is the different models of higher education being pursued in these two countries. China has a system of funding large public universities, similar to that in the US.
For example, out of the 795 institutes that provide post-graduate programmes in China, none is privately-owned. These institutions are funded by central ministries and local educational departments.
Most of the centrally-funded institutions are large having 30,000-50,000 students (across graduate and post-graduate programmes). For instance, Shandong University in Jinan, China, consists of about 60,000 students (nearly as big as some of the largest universities in the US).
Fudan University in Shanghai, which hosts the Shanghai Forum every year, consists of nearly 30,000 students. The advantages of large universities are clear. They have state funding, and have large campuses (e.g. land-grant universities in the US mid-west), huge physical and financial resources, a large number of students and faculty.
Researchers have empirically proved that economies of scale exist in higher education, especially in postgraduate educational institutions. In a study on US PhD-granting institutes, the minimum efficient scale was found to be between 11,000 and 30,000 students.
However, India depends merely on seven IITs and seven IIMs to make all the difference to higher education. In a welcome move, six more IITs were set up in 2008 and three more are under consideration. However, these are neither large nor adequate to give quality education to the approximately 138-million youth who are in the age range of 15-25 years.
Since these institutions are autonomous and independent in their functioning, the benefits of economies of scale can never be tapped, resulting in higher long-run average costs, thus necessitating either more funding by the government or higher tuition fees as indicated by the recent hike in fees by some of the IIMs.
Researchers have also proved that economies of scope also exist in higher education and that those institutes who have graduate and post-graduate teaching along with research programmes are more efficient compared to the ones who specialise in a niche area.
Further, large universities having different departments and schools enable the exchange of ideas in a much more fruitful manner across disciplines. For example, most of the US universities have large economics departments outside the business schools from where business students can take specific economic courses, thus benefitting from the faculties' specialisation.
The importance that the Indian government has given to specialised engineering and management institutes has also resulted in the neglect of other social and physical sciences.
The new government should take higher education as one of the priority areas for the development of our country's intellectual capital. Though public universities exist in India, the quality of infrastructure and faculty are worrisome.
It is time that we follow the footsteps of the US and China and create large universities of international standards. As Professor Arthur Bienenstock of Stanford University points out, a good university should have high-quality post-graduate students who want to learn to perform research, an intellectual climate that encourages scholarship, facilities in which teaching and research can be performed effectively, adequate funding, and quality leadership. “
Dr.A.Jagadeesh Nellore(AP)
A quick China-India comparison with respect to enrolment in higher education is worthy of note. A look at the statistics indicates that the new enrolment for the Master's programme in engineering and management are about 125,000 and 45,000 in China respectively.
However, in India the number of students enrolled in a Masters programme in engineering is about 20,000, of which the share of Indian Institute of Technology (IIT) is a mere 2,800.
In management, the elite Indian Institute of Management (IIM) altogether have about 1,400 seats for the PGDBM (MBA) programme. The number of students enrolled in PhD programmes in engineering and management in China is about 22,000 and 5,000 respectively.
India graduates less than 1,000 PhD students in engineering. Each IIM graduates on the average 5-7 FPM (PhD) students per year, which makes it very inefficient to even conduct classes.
This stark difference in numbers should set alarm bells ringing for the high-tech industries in India, which boast of huge professional manpower as the reason for their growth and outsourcing opportunities.
Can we withstand yet another beating, this time in higher education, by the Chinese? What are the reasons for such a disparity?
The main reason is the different models of higher education being pursued in these two countries. China has a system of funding large public universities, similar to that in the US.
For example, out of the 795 institutes that provide post-graduate programmes in China, none is privately-owned. These institutions are funded by central ministries and local educational departments.
Most of the centrally-funded institutions are large having 30,000-50,000 students (across graduate and post-graduate programmes). For instance, Shandong University in Jinan, China, consists of about 60,000 students (nearly as big as some of the largest universities in the US).
Fudan University in Shanghai, which hosts the Shanghai Forum every year, consists of nearly 30,000 students. The advantages of large universities are clear. They have state funding, and have large campuses (e.g. land-grant universities in the US mid-west), huge physical and financial resources, a large number of students and faculty.
Researchers have empirically proved that economies of scale exist in higher education, especially in postgraduate educational institutions. In a study on US PhD-granting institutes, the minimum efficient scale was found to be between 11,000 and 30,000 students.
However, India depends merely on seven IITs and seven IIMs to make all the difference to higher education. In a welcome move, six more IITs were set up in 2008 and three more are under consideration. However, these are neither large nor adequate to give quality education to the approximately 138-million youth who are in the age range of 15-25 years.
Since these institutions are autonomous and independent in their functioning, the benefits of economies of scale can never be tapped, resulting in higher long-run average costs, thus necessitating either more funding by the government or higher tuition fees as indicated by the recent hike in fees by some of the IIMs.
Researchers have also proved that economies of scope also exist in higher education and that those institutes who have graduate and post-graduate teaching along with research programmes are more efficient compared to the ones who specialise in a niche area.
Further, large universities having different departments and schools enable the exchange of ideas in a much more fruitful manner across disciplines. For example, most of the US universities have large economics departments outside the business schools from where business students can take specific economic courses, thus benefitting from the faculties' specialisation.
The importance that the Indian government has given to specialised engineering and management institutes has also resulted in the neglect of other social and physical sciences.
The new government should take higher education as one of the priority areas for the development of our country's intellectual capital. Though public universities exist in India, the quality of infrastructure and faculty are worrisome.
It is time that we follow the footsteps of the US and China and create large universities of international standards. As Professor Arthur Bienenstock of Stanford University points out, a good university should have high-quality post-graduate students who want to learn to perform research, an intellectual climate that encourages scholarship, facilities in which teaching and research can be performed effectively, adequate funding, and quality leadership. “
Dr.A.Jagadeesh Nellore(AP)
Posted by: Dr.A.Jagadeesh - 20 Mar, 2010
85: The education system in the country has got
rotten. We had a better education in 50s and
in last 50-60 years there has been gradual
deterioration. Barring few premier
institutions the education is now in the
hands of mafia. The schools, colleges and
universities lack proper class rooms and
laboratories and qualified teachers. Having
large number of people with the kind of
certificates and degrees being awarded
currently is not going to make India
educated.
Posted by: D. P. Mishra - 20 Mar, 2010
86: The way higher education is privatised and
the private institutions admitting students
not on merit but on the basis of
affordability is a matter of concern. And
then by inviting foren universities to India
what HRD minister intends to reflect. Sir,
visit first the country side of india, see
the plight of elementry schools and then
frame ur policies on education. Be realistic
and stop day dreaming.
Posted by: P.S.Thakur - 20 Mar, 2010
87: Most number of educated people and percentage
literacy are two different entities.
We are reproducing so fast then why only education ,
Most number of BPL's will also be here,
if you transcript such news with ambiguous journalism.
We are reproducing so fast then why only education ,
Most number of BPL's will also be here,
if you transcript such news with ambiguous journalism.
Posted by: Amol Raje Patil - 20 Mar, 2010
88: They should make our population literate and
take the benefit ... well cant they make
their own population literate and take
benefit?
Posted by: Amit - 20 Mar, 2010
90: It's simple meaning is that India is going to
produce most no. of Educated unemployed
People in the World in coming 20 yrs. Because
If we consider the current educational system
and its quality ,it is very worst except some
reputed institutes.
So first step must be to improve the quality and standards of education , not only the numbers of students.
So first step must be to improve the quality and standards of education , not only the numbers of students.
Posted by: Rakesh - 20 Mar, 2010
91: Deal sibal
i welcome your comments and steps taken ,Dr Manmohan singh has taken these steps in right earnest ,UIID ,and the policy of computer teacher will certainly add to the strenght of education ,sir you are exactly right rural india needs a lot of emphasis .
I also welcome Govt Of India setting up Education loan facility ,it is a very good step indeed and in right direction .Sir I would like to add that ,experience of Delhi metro shows how it has a cascade effect on society,environment.
Now that this can be replicated in other cities like Hyderabad,Bangalore ,Kochi , i would like to suggest setting up a training institute (that can impart training on tech maintenance of metro coaches,train drivers,other staff like station masters,security etc) by giving loans to rural indian students and then equip them so that are employment ready when project is completed .
the same can be done in aviation sector
Iam very happy to note the progress made and steps taken by the Govt Of India
rama mohana rao anne
sydney australia
i welcome your comments and steps taken ,Dr Manmohan singh has taken these steps in right earnest ,UIID ,and the policy of computer teacher will certainly add to the strenght of education ,sir you are exactly right rural india needs a lot of emphasis .
I also welcome Govt Of India setting up Education loan facility ,it is a very good step indeed and in right direction .Sir I would like to add that ,experience of Delhi metro shows how it has a cascade effect on society,environment.
Now that this can be replicated in other cities like Hyderabad,Bangalore ,Kochi , i would like to suggest setting up a training institute (that can impart training on tech maintenance of metro coaches,train drivers,other staff like station masters,security etc) by giving loans to rural indian students and then equip them so that are employment ready when project is completed .
the same can be done in aviation sector
Iam very happy to note the progress made and steps taken by the Govt Of India
rama mohana rao anne
sydney australia
Posted by: rama mohana rao anne - 20 Mar, 2010
92: All are educated but what about quality.Still
quality education is missing in Indai.Also
there is no command on education system who
are taking lots of fess and not provide 1% of
eduaction quality.It is just Businace in
Indai.No one seroius even sible try to add
some more college who will suck the blood of
Middle class indian as they doing currently.I
really dont know where my country will stand
in 2030.All politions are just saying this
that we are going to be strong in 2020 but no
one doing anything for that.Please people
come forword to protect our country,dont
relay on this politions
Posted by: Deeno - 19 Mar, 2010
93: if India cant get rid of illiteracy in 63
years of independence then what it will do in
coming 20 years when many World aids will
stop coming. The basic root cause for all is
extreme poverty which is still
pertaining.,.,. and will continue,.,all the
steps will make Rich more Richer and Poor
more Poorer. Education has already became the
HOT BUSINESS SECTOR nowadays. All programs
designed for rural India are fake just as
millions of NGO's working all over doing
nothing except making good reports and
drawing intelligent nexus with Bureaucrats
and Politicians.
Posted by: Bivash - 19 Mar, 2010
94:India in 2030 will be most educated in the
world . hmmm and most unemployed also . I am
an iitian , and I am planning to leave this
damn hell !
iitian replied to: Bivash
post - 20 Mar, 2010
post - 20 Mar, 2010
95: Dear Dr A Jagdish,
Your views are thought provoking.
I feel, instead of bringing in Foreign Universities to give their degrees from Indian soil, Kapil Sibal should recruit best global talent to work for Indian Universities and improve Indian universities\' brand overseas. Thus the world should recruit indian students ex-indian universities instead of Foreingn Universties operating from Indian soil.
Regads
Vachaspati, Pune
Your views are thought provoking.
I feel, instead of bringing in Foreign Universities to give their degrees from Indian soil, Kapil Sibal should recruit best global talent to work for Indian Universities and improve Indian universities\' brand overseas. Thus the world should recruit indian students ex-indian universities instead of Foreingn Universties operating from Indian soil.
Regads
Vachaspati, Pune
Dr V Mishra replied to: iitian
post - 20 Mar, 2010
post - 20 Mar, 2010
96: What would be the plight of that country
where people like Bivash after completing
their study from prestigious institutions
think as mentioned here. A country becomes
great not by its virtue but by its people.
Think twice befre declaring the country Hell
!
Ashish replied to: iitian
post - 20 Mar, 2010
post - 20 Mar, 2010
97: Yeah! He should learn to think!
Gurumurthy GP
Gurumurthy GP
Gurumurthy G P replied to: Ashish
post - 20 Mar, 2010
post - 20 Mar, 2010
98: Hey maan read my article and then address
me.,.,U r reading iitian's message and
replying to me ? I think U r first time in
this site or numbers of ur specs needed to be
checked nw.
There were many reforms called since our independence but except the Bureaucrats and Politicians no one gained from them., I thing u just came from some other planet! and need to know more about our country. I got to know so I left Politics at my early stage.,
There were many reforms called since our independence but except the Bureaucrats and Politicians no one gained from them., I thing u just came from some other planet! and need to know more about our country. I got to know so I left Politics at my early stage.,
Bivash replied to: Ashish
post - 20 Mar, 2010
post - 20 Mar, 2010
99: Coold dude....
Yaah it's mistake tht I'd replied to u.. But ur own article is nt in good sense..There is a long history of blame game, so tht is nt a solution. If others wl nt do,who else wl do it? It cud b u, me or ny1 else.I've firm belief tht all of us can make change,need of hour is to change our attitude.
Yaah it's mistake tht I'd replied to u.. But ur own article is nt in good sense..There is a long history of blame game, so tht is nt a solution. If others wl nt do,who else wl do it? It cud b u, me or ny1 else.I've firm belief tht all of us can make change,need of hour is to change our attitude.
Ashish replied to: Bivash
post - 20 Mar, 2010
post - 20 Mar, 2010
100: @iitian - Are u having 6 CGPA?
ann replied to: iitian
post - 20 Mar, 2010
post - 20 Mar, 2010
101: so folks ..coming bak to discussion , I was
looking at another aspect cant v expedite it
, cant we deleiver at in early years .....wht
u say , pls suggest , and how come
Jay replied to: ann
post - 22 Mar, 2010
post - 22 Mar, 2010
102: he is alreay 70..by 2030 he will die...for
that time he can say anything...I say half of
india will be shifted to moon for tackle
population explosion in 2050...AH
abk replied to: ann
post - 22 Mar, 2010
post - 22 Mar, 2010
103: ha ha ha..
Sabari replied to: abk
post - 23 Mar, 2010
post - 23 Mar, 2010
104: In order to achive the Vision 2030 of HR
Minister Mr. Sibal first we should have a
family set up vision. "Matha, Pitha Guru,
Daivam". We got Matha (Bharamba), Pitha
(Gandihij). There is no Guru to guide us! It
is a laps of our Constitution. There is no
'National Prayer'.
A Guru with National outlook -" One Cast, One Creed and One God" and acceptable & agreeable to all cast & creed.
First create a GURU accepatable to all Indians.
Secondly the we were having only one Religion (Hindu Culture)which make a 'Good Man'. Now there are many religions and we need 'Better Man' suitable to all Religions.Here the Religion is secondary. This is the requirement of 'Sathya Yaugam' which starts on Sept. 9th, 2006. We see the fall of USD ($) and US Banks. A new monaatory system is offing for 'Satya Yaugam'.
With all this India can guide the World much earlier than 2030.
(Vijayan N. Pandala)
www.vijayanpandala.com.
A Guru with National outlook -" One Cast, One Creed and One God" and acceptable & agreeable to all cast & creed.
First create a GURU accepatable to all Indians.
Secondly the we were having only one Religion (Hindu Culture)which make a 'Good Man'. Now there are many religions and we need 'Better Man' suitable to all Religions.Here the Religion is secondary. This is the requirement of 'Sathya Yaugam' which starts on Sept. 9th, 2006. We see the fall of USD ($) and US Banks. A new monaatory system is offing for 'Satya Yaugam'.
With all this India can guide the World much earlier than 2030.
(Vijayan N. Pandala)
www.vijayanpandala.com.
Vijayan N. Pandala replied to: abk
post - 22 Mar, 2010
post - 22 Mar, 2010
105:Sri Narayana's slogan
in reply to Vijayan N.Pandala's line:
"A Guru with National outlook -" One Cast, One Creed and One God" and acceptable & agreeable to all cast & creed."
Haven't you heard about Sree Narayana Guru whose slogan was:
One in kind, one in faith,
One in God is mankind
Of one same womb, one same form
Difference none there is at all
in reply to Vijayan N.Pandala's line:
"A Guru with National outlook -" One Cast, One Creed and One God" and acceptable & agreeable to all cast & creed."
Haven't you heard about Sree Narayana Guru whose slogan was:
One in kind, one in faith,
One in God is mankind
Of one same womb, one same form
Difference none there is at all
Vidya replied to: Vijayan N. Pandala
post - 24 Mar, 2010
post - 24 Mar, 2010
106: I am also pointing Sree Narayana Guru of
Kerala. He only can guide India to correct
direction. We do not need Hindu India/Muslim
India/Chrastain India. We need Indian
India.
For this we need a Guru to guide.
For this we need a Guru to guide.
Vijayan N. Pandala replied to: Vidya
post - 09 Aug, 2010
post - 09 Aug, 2010
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