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'India convinced of ISI role in Mumbai terror'
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IANS
New Delhi: India is convinced "without a shadow of doubt" about Pakistan's spy agency ISI's involvement in the Mumbai terror attacks and is readying to present to Islamabad "a list of ISI handlers" who allegedly masterminded the terror strikes.
"We are one hundred percent convinced that the Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) is involved in the Mumbai attacks," a highly placed intelligence source told IANS Thursday.
"We know these attacks could not have been staged by an isolated militant group. There is not a shadow of doubt about that," the source said.
"We are zeroing in on the names of these ISI handlers and will present a fool-proof case (to Pakistan) soon," the source added.
Indian intelligence agencies are preparing a list of ISI handlers of the perpetrators of the Mumbai massacre with the help of US intelligence, which is also convinced about the ISI's role, the sources said.
Ajmal Kasab, the lone terrorist who was arrested after the Mumbai terror strikes, has revealed during his interrogation that he was trained in at least four camps in Pakistan and met LeT leader Mohammad Hafeez Saeed. Saeed is among the fugitives, including underworld don Dawood Ibrahim and , Jaish-e-Mohammad outfit's chief Masood Azhar, whom New Delhi wants extradited from Pakistan.
India has, however, yet to react to Pakistan's rejection of its demand for handing over its 20 'most wanted' fugitives who are suspected to have a hand in major terror strikes in the country over the years.
India has blamed elements in Pakistan for engineering the Nov 26 Mumbai terror attacks that lasted 50 hours and suspects the hand of Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT), a banned militant outfit that now operates under the control of Jamaat-ud-Dawa, which runs Islamic schools and charity work in Pakistan.
New Delhi is now convinced that the LeT was working in close coordination with some sections in the ISI, which created the militant outfit nearly two decades ago to wage a proxy war against India over the Kashmir issue.
There is also a growing perception among the US security and intelligence establishment about the involvement of the ISI and LeT in the Mumbai attacks.
With these disclosures as a backdrop, US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has sent a tough, no-nonsense message to Pakistan, asking it to cooperate "urgently and transparently" with India in tracking the perpetrators of the Mumbai mayhem that killed 172 people, including six Americans.
In a direct snub to Pakistan, Rice, who was in New Delhi Wednesday, told Islamabad that it must act against the perpetrators even if they are "non-state actors", as claimed by Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari.
She reinforced this message again in Islamabad when she met Zardari, asking for a "robust" response from Pakistan in dealing with India's concerns over the Mumbai terror attacks.
According to American intelligence agencies, former officers from Pakistan's army and its powerful ISI helped train the Mumbai attackers, the New York Times reported Thursday, citing a former Defence Department official.
But the unnamed official said that no specific links had been uncovered yet between the terrorists and the Pakistani government.
India is keeping all options open, including precision military strikes against terrorist camps in Pakistan and suspension of composite dialogue, to deal with Pakistan if it fails to respond to its key demands that include taking strong action against the perpetrators of Mumbai attacks and handing over the fugitives from Indian.
India is ready to give Pakistan "a reasonable amount of time" and will decide on its next steps only after that, sources said.
"We are one hundred percent convinced that the Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) is involved in the Mumbai attacks," a highly placed intelligence source told IANS Thursday.
"We know these attacks could not have been staged by an isolated militant group. There is not a shadow of doubt about that," the source said.
"We are zeroing in on the names of these ISI handlers and will present a fool-proof case (to Pakistan) soon," the source added.
Indian intelligence agencies are preparing a list of ISI handlers of the perpetrators of the Mumbai massacre with the help of US intelligence, which is also convinced about the ISI's role, the sources said.
Ajmal Kasab, the lone terrorist who was arrested after the Mumbai terror strikes, has revealed during his interrogation that he was trained in at least four camps in Pakistan and met LeT leader Mohammad Hafeez Saeed. Saeed is among the fugitives, including underworld don Dawood Ibrahim and , Jaish-e-Mohammad outfit's chief Masood Azhar, whom New Delhi wants extradited from Pakistan.
India has, however, yet to react to Pakistan's rejection of its demand for handing over its 20 'most wanted' fugitives who are suspected to have a hand in major terror strikes in the country over the years.
India has blamed elements in Pakistan for engineering the Nov 26 Mumbai terror attacks that lasted 50 hours and suspects the hand of Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT), a banned militant outfit that now operates under the control of Jamaat-ud-Dawa, which runs Islamic schools and charity work in Pakistan.
New Delhi is now convinced that the LeT was working in close coordination with some sections in the ISI, which created the militant outfit nearly two decades ago to wage a proxy war against India over the Kashmir issue.
There is also a growing perception among the US security and intelligence establishment about the involvement of the ISI and LeT in the Mumbai attacks.
With these disclosures as a backdrop, US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has sent a tough, no-nonsense message to Pakistan, asking it to cooperate "urgently and transparently" with India in tracking the perpetrators of the Mumbai mayhem that killed 172 people, including six Americans.
In a direct snub to Pakistan, Rice, who was in New Delhi Wednesday, told Islamabad that it must act against the perpetrators even if they are "non-state actors", as claimed by Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari.
She reinforced this message again in Islamabad when she met Zardari, asking for a "robust" response from Pakistan in dealing with India's concerns over the Mumbai terror attacks.
According to American intelligence agencies, former officers from Pakistan's army and its powerful ISI helped train the Mumbai attackers, the New York Times reported Thursday, citing a former Defence Department official.
But the unnamed official said that no specific links had been uncovered yet between the terrorists and the Pakistani government.
India is keeping all options open, including precision military strikes against terrorist camps in Pakistan and suspension of composite dialogue, to deal with Pakistan if it fails to respond to its key demands that include taking strong action against the perpetrators of Mumbai attacks and handing over the fugitives from Indian.
India is ready to give Pakistan "a reasonable amount of time" and will decide on its next steps only after that, sources said.
Reader's comments(20)
1: Lets dont focus on why and till when Pak will
do all this things,every one knows they are
wantedly doing this....vats d fun in asking
them to stop all this..do they stop all this
things just because we asked/requested/begged
them?
firstly lets accept this as our failure and analyse where the problem is occuring, Criminals/Terrorists always use the creative/new ways to carry on this type of activities, But we are designing actions/security controls basing upon the earlier happend things. I mean we should have a wing which can assess all possible ways of beeing attacked and all those routes should be curbed(there should be simultanious action plan to correct the mistakes in aiir and water ways while planing for correction in land ways)
For this we should have a leader who can think beyond the available resources and available possibilities....Only the person who is professional and trained can do this...I dont intend to blame the ministers but the logic is "a cricketer plays better cricket than a tennis player"
So, vat I feel is there should be some rule that atleast before 10 days to the elections the parties should announce their nominated people for crucial ministries(if they win and form a govt)like Home, Defence, Finance and why they feel these people are eligible and vat are there capabilities and acquired skills to handle this role...same time it puts the pressures on the parties to get real eligible candidates into the picture because this directly influences theire victory in elections
So that even people will have a chance to descide/not to have clowns atleast in the crucial ministries and to elect the party who brought eligible candidates to the nation admin
firstly lets accept this as our failure and analyse where the problem is occuring, Criminals/Terrorists always use the creative/new ways to carry on this type of activities, But we are designing actions/security controls basing upon the earlier happend things. I mean we should have a wing which can assess all possible ways of beeing attacked and all those routes should be curbed(there should be simultanious action plan to correct the mistakes in aiir and water ways while planing for correction in land ways)
For this we should have a leader who can think beyond the available resources and available possibilities....Only the person who is professional and trained can do this...I dont intend to blame the ministers but the logic is "a cricketer plays better cricket than a tennis player"
So, vat I feel is there should be some rule that atleast before 10 days to the elections the parties should announce their nominated people for crucial ministries(if they win and form a govt)like Home, Defence, Finance and why they feel these people are eligible and vat are there capabilities and acquired skills to handle this role...same time it puts the pressures on the parties to get real eligible candidates into the picture because this directly influences theire victory in elections
So that even people will have a chance to descide/not to have clowns atleast in the crucial ministries and to elect the party who brought eligible candidates to the nation admin
Posted by: Murali - 07 Dec, 2008
2: Hell loo ooh MuM bai eye! R U Listening! Hell
loo India! R U Sleeping?
Posted by: scott - 06 Dec, 2008
3: Elephant is asking Mouse to fight the Tiger!
Be patient and Be calm! TIGER will be back
Again! Again! Again!
Again and Again, we go after the mouse to fight..where is the MOUSE? Poor Mouse and Poor Elephant! Well done!
Again and Again, we go after the mouse to fight..where is the MOUSE? Poor Mouse and Poor Elephant! Well done!
Posted by: scott - 06 Dec, 2008
4: ACTION, ACTION, ACTION! CUT! CUT! Sounds
familiar!
DONT WAIT! CUT PAK FROM WORLD MAP LIKE GEORGE FERNANDEZ ONCE SAID!
DONT WAIT! CUT PAK FROM WORLD MAP LIKE GEORGE FERNANDEZ ONCE SAID!
Posted by: scott - 06 Dec, 2008
5: So Indians Should Join Hands With America And
Clean Up Our Borders For 100 Plus Kms And Use
Nice Diwali Fireworks In Stock And Clean Up
Afgan Border Also. America Can Fund India For
That! That Better! Why Worry About A Failed
State, They Don’t Know How To Handle
“Stateless Personsâ€! This Time
Not Only Indians But Many Americans And Brits
Died Too And That Too In 5 Star Hotels! Good
Excuse!
Protect Bharath Mata! Wake Up And Go To Streets! Let The Whole World Know That Action Speaks Louder Than Words! Yes Indians R Calm N Brainy! Prove It! No Point In Saying We R Intelligent! Act and Act Now! B4 its too late!
Protect Bharath Mata! Wake Up And Go To Streets! Let The Whole World Know That Action Speaks Louder Than Words! Yes Indians R Calm N Brainy! Prove It! No Point In Saying We R Intelligent! Act and Act Now! B4 its too late!
Posted by: scott - 06 Dec, 2008
6: ISI involvement! ISI comment: oh no! We are
fighting a proxy war. We are only in the back
ground! Give us proof, like dawood’s
case will handle this the same way! Indians
have been patient all these years! So they
can wait many more years! We will get
culprits to book! Dont worry indians, be
happy, we are neighbors, we will help! Be
calm! Be patient!
Why this attack? Pak has problems on afgan border. They need to divert attention and milk america, no bush and rice for money by saying india will attack! Pak inflation 22% , no growth and no money! But they need money to catch bin laden. Oh ya! We all forgot! Poor failed state!
Why this attack? Pak has problems on afgan border. They need to divert attention and milk america, no bush and rice for money by saying india will attack! Pak inflation 22% , no growth and no money! But they need money to catch bin laden. Oh ya! We all forgot! Poor failed state!
Posted by: scott - 06 Dec, 2008
7: Why are Indians Sleeping? Why are we allowing
this nonsense?
Who will protect Bharath Mata? AMERICANS? BRITISH? NRIs?
PAK will not hand over the Dawood and 20 other criminals for what happened in 1993! It may take another 20 years! Dawood and all 20 would have died by then!
Pak has too many "stateless Persons" now in thousands and will reach a few million!
Who will protect Bharath Mata? AMERICANS? BRITISH? NRIs?
PAK will not hand over the Dawood and 20 other criminals for what happened in 1993! It may take another 20 years! Dawood and all 20 would have died by then!
Pak has too many "stateless Persons" now in thousands and will reach a few million!
Posted by: Scott - 06 Dec, 2008
8: Terrorist were caught on CCTV, why they were
not intercepted that time.CCTV is used for
work afterwords.
Posted by: Urooj Zaidi - 06 Dec, 2008
9: POLITITIANS WHETHER IN PAKISTAN OR IN INDIA,
OR
ALL OVER THE WORLD ARE THE SAME.
THE BEST SOLUTION WOULD BE FOR THE COMMON CITIZENS TAKE THIS INTO THEIR OWN HANDS.
OUR MUSLIM FRIENDS IN INDIA CAN SHOW (THEIR SOLIDARITY WITH INDIA)THE WAY AND SET THE EXAMPLE BY DECLARING EN MASS THROUGH ALL THEIR ORGANISATIONS. CONDEMNING PAKISTAN'S ACT AND ALSO ASK OUR PAKISTAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS TO FOLLOW THE SAME THERE IN PAKISTAN.
ANALYSE WITH THEM THE ROOT CAUSE AS TO WHY THEY BEHAVE IN SUCH A MANNER. COME OUT WITH A SOLUTION SORTING OUT THE MISAPPREHENSIONS THROUGH DIALOGUES.
ONCE THE TRUTH IS DISCLOSED, THE SOLUTIONS AUTOMATICALLY FOLLOW.
ALL OVER THE WORLD ARE THE SAME.
THE BEST SOLUTION WOULD BE FOR THE COMMON CITIZENS TAKE THIS INTO THEIR OWN HANDS.
OUR MUSLIM FRIENDS IN INDIA CAN SHOW (THEIR SOLIDARITY WITH INDIA)THE WAY AND SET THE EXAMPLE BY DECLARING EN MASS THROUGH ALL THEIR ORGANISATIONS. CONDEMNING PAKISTAN'S ACT AND ALSO ASK OUR PAKISTAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS TO FOLLOW THE SAME THERE IN PAKISTAN.
ANALYSE WITH THEM THE ROOT CAUSE AS TO WHY THEY BEHAVE IN SUCH A MANNER. COME OUT WITH A SOLUTION SORTING OUT THE MISAPPREHENSIONS THROUGH DIALOGUES.
ONCE THE TRUTH IS DISCLOSED, THE SOLUTIONS AUTOMATICALLY FOLLOW.
Posted by: SHANKAR - 06 Dec, 2008
10: Please stop all these activities for
peace,hardly destruction of pakistan will
take 30 mins for Indian army.Even if we get
most wanted terrorists shall we get back the
great commandos and officers
Posted by: Confidential - 06 Dec, 2008
11: Hi All,
The basic problem to be identified and addressed is Indian Law formulated in the year 1857,which needs to be amended,as the tools of committing crime have been modified.The law has got the liberty (law of liberty)for criminals,we have come too far scientifically and carrying the law of stone age, but the corrupt and criminal politicians'for their own benefits will never seek the amendments.So its better suggested to eliminate the mother of criminals i.e POLITICIANS
The basic problem to be identified and addressed is Indian Law formulated in the year 1857,which needs to be amended,as the tools of committing crime have been modified.The law has got the liberty (law of liberty)for criminals,we have come too far scientifically and carrying the law of stone age, but the corrupt and criminal politicians'for their own benefits will never seek the amendments.So its better suggested to eliminate the mother of criminals i.e POLITICIANS
Posted by: Shobha - 05 Dec, 2008
12: I would like to point that it is a good
strategy to ask for the 20 Most wanted
criminals, ISI and Let Officials(Of course
Dawood 'Namak Haram') from Pakistan. But what
if they give these people. They are not the
reason, they are just working on behalf of
and are intermidiate individuals(pawns in
Chess) Try to see the bigger picture. What is
te root cause. You cannot cure a disease if
you don't treat it from the root. Who has
created these ISI and LeT and fueled them
with support,protection and Finance. Who
want's Kashmir and is on a proxy war? Just
think
If they don't hand over those 20 criminals then What? What? Why are we spending 2/3rd of our national income on Defense many years? Why do we have defense if we are not defended and dozens of attacks are carried out on us. Why do we have them? They too get frustated not doing anything. So......... See America does it just keep its forces for show, just see how much it uses them.
If they don't hand over those 20 criminals then What? What? Why are we spending 2/3rd of our national income on Defense many years? Why do we have defense if we are not defended and dozens of attacks are carried out on us. Why do we have them? They too get frustated not doing anything. So......... See America does it just keep its forces for show, just see how much it uses them.
Posted by: Kaustubh - 05 Dec, 2008
13: It only took Indian agencies fifteen minutes
to find and declare the perpetrators
(Pakistan). They could have waited at-least a
day to pin the blame to make it look and feel
REAL.
Blaming somebody else for their own security failures is an old game played by Indian media and Government alike.
Blaming somebody else for their own security failures is an old game played by Indian media and Government alike.
Posted by: Alan Silver - 05 Dec, 2008
14: I think India is doing the right thing by
giving the 20 India's Most wanted criminals
list to pakistan and awaiting for Pakistan's
response. Pakistan has to respond positively
to India to stop the tentions between both
the cuntries. If Pakistan does not responds
positively then India has all rights to take
an extream action against Pakistan to get the
20 Most Wanted criminals.
Posted by: Venkat - 05 Dec, 2008
15: From a distance - India can carry out a
coordinated media campaign with all of the
media globally. Indeed, it should look at
IMF, World Bank, LIBOR, and all banking
institutions to try and cut off financial
aid. In addition, we need to put a Muslim
president who will work as a backdrop to all
of this. Get all Arab countries into the mix
and above all, look at ways to show strength
which is sustainable.
Invasion, attacks, or interventions are very costly and have a very short term effect so the campaign should be focused on getting the media to make them look like a terrorist state. This move will take a long time for them to get rid off.
Use the media as a weapon and keep pumping them with honest information and let the world decide if they really want immigrants or visitors from that nation or do business with them.
Invasion, attacks, or interventions are very costly and have a very short term effect so the campaign should be focused on getting the media to make them look like a terrorist state. This move will take a long time for them to get rid off.
Use the media as a weapon and keep pumping them with honest information and let the world decide if they really want immigrants or visitors from that nation or do business with them.
Posted by: Ved - 05 Dec, 2008
16: Mahboob, Thinking radically may not work
always right. None of the politicians in
India are ruthless in their heart to do such
a crime.
There could have been lapses in the system, but that does not mean that our politicians are bad and ill-hearted.
Pakistan media has been mentioning that US government orchestrated the WTC attacks, but they did a good job and got away. However, Indian politicians could not be smart.
I think it is ultimate stupidity to think on those lines. It is good that FBI and Scotland yard are here to help in the investigations as they will get real hand information on who is behind it.
There could have been lapses in the system, but that does not mean that our politicians are bad and ill-hearted.
Pakistan media has been mentioning that US government orchestrated the WTC attacks, but they did a good job and got away. However, Indian politicians could not be smart.
I think it is ultimate stupidity to think on those lines. It is good that FBI and Scotland yard are here to help in the investigations as they will get real hand information on who is behind it.
Posted by: shankar - 05 Dec, 2008
17: simple boss, we have satellites,missiles,
uav, just drop some "fire crackers" and
finish this chapter, na rahega saanp na
bajegi bansari.
Posted by: Zameer Kazi - 05 Dec, 2008
18: Hi all,
Instead of talking what happened, Please suggest ideas on handling them....
How India is going to react for the Pakistan's response on denying of surrendering 20 'most wanted' fugitives?
Instead of talking what happened, Please suggest ideas on handling them....
How India is going to react for the Pakistan's response on denying of surrendering 20 'most wanted' fugitives?
Posted by: Muthuganesh - 04 Dec, 2008
19: Hi All,
Its very easy to attribute such attacks with some outfit and it has become our tradition to do so without putting any firm evidence and it has become very hard to convince our politicians that terrorism is within. I urge our beloved politicians to stop playing dramas as they just played in the name of mumbai terror attacks. I say it a well planned drama made by our prestegious politicians specially leaders in opposition to gain vote bank benefits and to project muslims and Islam as bad origins.
I have few questions,
1. We all know what ATS chief Hemant Karkare was doing just before this happened. He was about to unveil the big hands behind the terror attacks that happened in last few years. My question is why Hemant Karkare and his team was given undera quality or fake bullet proof jackets to combat the terrorists? Pause a while and think, could it not be a well planned drama to kill him?
2. When everything had happened, our prestigious media says that the terrorists came from sea routes using a boat and they entered the city from some specific routes. My question is why not they were stopped then and there? Is our intelligence so strong in getting before time information but so weak in taking preventive actions? I think the defintion of indian intelligence should be changed.
3. Why not the terrorists caught alive in such incidence and if caught alive why they are not put before the media and unveil the facts? Why such things happen behind the curtain always?
Our so called political leaders know who are behind. Simply shouting behind Pakistan may not work now. Pakistan knows and our leaders know who are behind.
Dears readers, dont simply go by what our media projects. Being a responsible citizen, its your duty to use your mind also and try to analyze what could be behind.
Its very easy to attribute such attacks with some outfit and it has become our tradition to do so without putting any firm evidence and it has become very hard to convince our politicians that terrorism is within. I urge our beloved politicians to stop playing dramas as they just played in the name of mumbai terror attacks. I say it a well planned drama made by our prestegious politicians specially leaders in opposition to gain vote bank benefits and to project muslims and Islam as bad origins.
I have few questions,
1. We all know what ATS chief Hemant Karkare was doing just before this happened. He was about to unveil the big hands behind the terror attacks that happened in last few years. My question is why Hemant Karkare and his team was given undera quality or fake bullet proof jackets to combat the terrorists? Pause a while and think, could it not be a well planned drama to kill him?
2. When everything had happened, our prestigious media says that the terrorists came from sea routes using a boat and they entered the city from some specific routes. My question is why not they were stopped then and there? Is our intelligence so strong in getting before time information but so weak in taking preventive actions? I think the defintion of indian intelligence should be changed.
3. Why not the terrorists caught alive in such incidence and if caught alive why they are not put before the media and unveil the facts? Why such things happen behind the curtain always?
Our so called political leaders know who are behind. Simply shouting behind Pakistan may not work now. Pakistan knows and our leaders know who are behind.
Dears readers, dont simply go by what our media projects. Being a responsible citizen, its your duty to use your mind also and try to analyze what could be behind.
Posted by: Mahboob - 04 Dec, 2008
20: will anything happen until and unless it is
believed by the neighbouring govt.?
Posted by: deepak - 04 Dec, 2008
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