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IT firms' new cost cutting mantra: Hire non-techies
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From nearly 10 percent of their current workforce, non-engineering graduates could account for nearly 20-25 percent of the staff at companies such as TCS, Wipro and HCL, over the next one to two years. Cognizant already has almost 20 percent of its global workforce who are non-engineering graduates. Companies such as Wipro are already readying their strategies for shifting nearly 40 percent of software services to readymade templates that can serve additional customers without having to hire incremental staff.
For years, India's $50-billion software exports industry has been hiring thousands of engineering graduates every year for writing software codes and processing back office tasks for top customers such as General Electric, Citibank and JP Morgan Chase. However, increasing wage inflation and rising attrition has forced them to seek ways to arrest linear growth.
Today, most of the entry-level computer science graduates are paid anywhere between
2 lakh and 5 lakh per annum by these software companies when they join, and with wage inflation of around 10 percent every year, the salary costs keep going up.
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I think Engineers has its own value in doing things in proper way, even he knows the best solution over problems. non-techies are trained to do the things which are followed on regular basis like, labor work of copy, pasting things. i agree on the skill level of both the techies and non-techies are matters. but this is the world of freelancer now every one, who is well experience and good technical skill start their own start up firm, In that case he/she must see his own benefit to get the things in less price and wages. so i think this condition only applies to newly establish companies.
Posted by:Prathamesh
- 27 Mar, 2010
5:
Wow Wow Wow...After going through all the 154 comments, what I can see by reading between the lines is a long standing feud between "Engineering Chauvinism" and "Inferiority Complex of Graduates".
Well, I'm an Engineering chauvinist too...
All I wish to say is, hiring Non-Engineers for Technology jobs is like using 'FeviQuick' or 'QuickFix' to fix a broken axle of a car...eventually you will drive yourselves into deeper shit.
Programming the microcomputers is not just a 'skilled labour', it needs deep understanding of how things work inside and you need to think in hundred possible ways to arrive at a solution. Non-Engineering courses doesn't train your brains to think so widely.
I'm not saying that, Non-Engineers haven't got any brains, but I would rather say, they are not trained to think like us.
Well, I'm an Engineering chauvinist too...
All I wish to say is, hiring Non-Engineers for Technology jobs is like using 'FeviQuick' or 'QuickFix' to fix a broken axle of a car...eventually you will drive yourselves into deeper shit.
Programming the microcomputers is not just a 'skilled labour', it needs deep understanding of how things work inside and you need to think in hundred possible ways to arrive at a solution. Non-Engineering courses doesn't train your brains to think so widely.
I'm not saying that, Non-Engineers haven't got any brains, but I would rather say, they are not trained to think like us.
Posted by:Balakrishnan Unnithan
- 24 Mar, 2010
6:
is this for real? if yes can anybody gimme a contact no/email of an HR so that i can apply for such positions?
Posted by:Sowgat Rakshit
- 23 Mar, 2010
7:
It is just not about Engineers and non-Engineers. The measures the corporate should take to crub attrition should be more concrete rather than taking these kind of drastic steps. It is just not going to help meet the challenges in long term.
Reasons for attritions could be as follows (as far as I could think of)
Lack of motivation, doing same kind of work again and again. No learning in the job.
No growth, politics in the company, low salary and stupid cost cutting measures (If they are earning money out of work the guys do, why not pay them too. But they employees are stingy, they do cost cutting while paying salaries too).
One another thing is, I think that in India, IT and IT related jobs are more compared to any other jobs,So if a person is interested in Electricals and Electronics and does Engineering in EEE, he would still have no or limited choices regarding what field he would like to work in.
I have seen companies recruiting people from various background into IT (I don’t say it as wrong). But the guys should have more options to choose from, regarding what they want to do (that way they could give their best and their work would motivate them enough to stick to the job)
Reasons for attritions could be as follows (as far as I could think of)
Lack of motivation, doing same kind of work again and again. No learning in the job.
No growth, politics in the company, low salary and stupid cost cutting measures (If they are earning money out of work the guys do, why not pay them too. But they employees are stingy, they do cost cutting while paying salaries too).
One another thing is, I think that in India, IT and IT related jobs are more compared to any other jobs,So if a person is interested in Electricals and Electronics and does Engineering in EEE, he would still have no or limited choices regarding what field he would like to work in.
I have seen companies recruiting people from various background into IT (I don’t say it as wrong). But the guys should have more options to choose from, regarding what they want to do (that way they could give their best and their work would motivate them enough to stick to the job)
Posted by:vishnu vardhan
- 21 Mar, 2010
8:
Its very good , short and long term profit mantra and stay on this is very Challengeable task.
Posted by:Biswanath Panigrahi
- 21 Mar, 2010
9:
Well, its better to know all about the comments all you have , and something i like most saying here, we can not replace a mason by a civil engineer or a mechanic by a mechanical engineer or a electrician by a electrical engineer. Here just like to highlight there is different job for different people, and there should be gap exist between them. In sense of tech and non-tech student , what i belief its a gap that decide your privilege to certain work force. Just compare to politics as this literacy and illiteracy does not matter ,and all we know what what will the result if it does not matter , similar to it, the tech and non tech will matter to a organisation not time soon, but definitely if coming future.
Posted by:Suryakanta
- 20 Mar, 2010
10:
I share the views expressed by Suryakanat. All the measures regarding cost cutting should not be at the cost of quality of human resource. I believe there is a clearcut difference in the mind set of tech. and non-tech persons by virtue of the difference in the curriculum. That way, all the jobs can be done by any person irrespective of his educational background, with some on the job training. It makes our higherprofessional education superfluous.
Piyush C.Sharma Replied to: Suryakanta
- 22 Mar, 2010
11:
if you don't know english then just write it in whatever language you know, may be it will be easier for us to understand what you are talking about.
Subhankar Replied to: Suryakanta
- 21 Mar, 2010
13:
Dear Suryakanta,
You certainly need to learn English Language. You and God are the only two who can figure out what you want to tell us.
Cdr Nagesh
You certainly need to learn English Language. You and God are the only two who can figure out what you want to tell us.
Cdr Nagesh
Nagesh Replied to: Suryakanta
- 20 Mar, 2010
14:
Many students in premier institute like Anna University,REC,etc studying non-circuit branch is to get an IT job. These student either study IT or respective branch subjects properly. They sit in the class without interest and write nothing in the examination they put the result publication tough. lot of moderation is done in result publication. They irritate a dedicated teacher in class and lab who's passion is the subject and teaching. Their aim is just B.E/B.TECH degree.
What a professionalism in these process. In India importance is not given to professional ethics. professional body is dead.
our majority so called engineers are nothing. engineers value is lost in the society. majority do third rated jobs and are trained work force.
It is good trend I was expecting it.
What a professionalism in these process. In India importance is not given to professional ethics. professional body is dead.
our majority so called engineers are nothing. engineers value is lost in the society. majority do third rated jobs and are trained work force.
It is good trend I was expecting it.
Posted by:tes
- 20 Mar, 2010
15:
At least now companies realise that all engineers are overrated. More than that they don't have any high quality jobs that only engineers can do. Any graduate provided with adequate training in particular area will out perform Engineers. But Engineers comes with a package. They know everything that is both required and not required by companies and demand more compensation. But non-techie graduates who know thier limits will work without demanding for more.
Posted by:pnrkumar
- 20 Mar, 2010
16:
So basically what you are saying is to scrap out the whole engg course ... cool... a country filled with grads. Why dont you try the same with any other specialized stream.. why only IT... am sure there ant all specialist jobs in other so called specialist sectors. Amazing.. truely this can happen only in india. Strange that there ant too many voices to dis-allow such an occurance.
Sayan Replied to: pnrkumar
- 21 Mar, 2010
17:
Who decides what is right resource for the job? The customer and the business owners. Its business that decides what is right and who should be employed.
Business is not scholarship or charity program, to award job to qualifications. It’s all about capability, whoever takes 3-lakh salary and can generate 10-lakh revenue, gets the job.
Business will not change for engineers. Engineers will have to change and make themselves good for business.
Business is not scholarship or charity program, to award job to qualifications. It’s all about capability, whoever takes 3-lakh salary and can generate 10-lakh revenue, gets the job.
Business will not change for engineers. Engineers will have to change and make themselves good for business.
Posted by:K Singh
- 20 Mar, 2010
18:
If engineers can't employ themselves and generate job for 5 others than its not worth crying for them. They should take pride doing that service for the country.
If all they can do is cry for a Job, compete with other graduate, and complain against equality, then it is a shame. Its time they show entrepreneurship and Leadership.
If all they can do is cry for a Job, compete with other graduate, and complain against equality, then it is a shame. Its time they show entrepreneurship and Leadership.
Posted by:Capt Rajat
- 20 Mar, 2010
19:
Thanks Captain,
Are the engineers our asset or liability?
Asset: They take responsibility of the nation and create jobs for the less fortunate fellow citizen.
OR
Liability: It becomes a headache for the nation to employ them. They compete for pity jobs that other graduates can do, and complain about their exclusive rights for job, by virtue of being engineers.
Are the engineers our asset or liability?
Asset: They take responsibility of the nation and create jobs for the less fortunate fellow citizen.
OR
Liability: It becomes a headache for the nation to employ them. They compete for pity jobs that other graduates can do, and complain about their exclusive rights for job, by virtue of being engineers.
Sudheer Replied to: Capt Rajat
- 20 Mar, 2010
20:
the concept of replacing techies with non-techies is not so better idea for all times. its ok in the matter of compensation they pay.it is good concept for some extent only..infact both techies and non-techies have there own
values respectively. NO ONE IS SMALLER THAN OTHERS. but it could become foolish thing if this process follows all the IT companies bliendly.I think non-techies could't perform good at programming in every time.
i am not saying that all the IT graduates perform well at everytime they given task. unlike,some one said, its not the matter of copy n pasting the code.
when the neck-cut situations happens then the client will show the actual cinema to the management.
then only the management come to know the values of the resources.
how everyone can do anything? if this is possible, there should be unic course. why universities offers various courses at the levels of graduation and postgraduations.
then what about the all the time spent their studies and subjects
anyway this is good news forall who aiming to get IT job. so.....cheers all...
values respectively. NO ONE IS SMALLER THAN OTHERS. but it could become foolish thing if this process follows all the IT companies bliendly.I think non-techies could't perform good at programming in every time.
i am not saying that all the IT graduates perform well at everytime they given task. unlike,some one said, its not the matter of copy n pasting the code.
when the neck-cut situations happens then the client will show the actual cinema to the management.
then only the management come to know the values of the resources.
how everyone can do anything? if this is possible, there should be unic course. why universities offers various courses at the levels of graduation and postgraduations.
then what about the all the time spent their studies and subjects
anyway this is good news forall who aiming to get IT job. so.....cheers all...
Posted by:sureshkoorapati
- 19 Mar, 2010
21:
Many students in premier institute like Anna University,REC,etc studying non-circuit branch is to get an IT job. These student either study IT or respective branch subjects properly. They sit in the class without interest and write nothing in the examination they put the result publication tough. lot of moderation is done in result publication. They irritate a dedicated teacher in class and lab who's passion is the subject and teaching. Their aim is just B.E/B.TECH degree.
What a professionalism in these process. In India importance is not given to professional ethics. professional body is dead.
our majority so called engineers are nothing. engineers value is lost in the society. majority do third rated jobs and are trained work force.
It is good trend I was expecting it.
What a professionalism in these process. In India importance is not given to professional ethics. professional body is dead.
our majority so called engineers are nothing. engineers value is lost in the society. majority do third rated jobs and are trained work force.
It is good trend I was expecting it.
tes Replied to: sureshkoorapati
- 20 Mar, 2010
22:
Very Thoughtful Reply. I agree to your points.
Jean Replied to: sureshkoorapati
- 20 Mar, 2010
23:
Nature of work determines the profiles of resources to be utilized for the work. Putting a engineering graduate in a support activity will only be under utilization of the respective individual by the organization. Out sourcing didn't start just because there were no coders to do the work but because companies in US wanted their skilled people to do more technical and business solution definition rather than mere coding. Also in India IT industry just like any other industry focus on the bottom line (profit vs cost). Cutting cost at every possible opportunities would be the first prioority of these companies. In a way it will help non engineering graduates to get more jobs and the engineering graduates should focus on enhancing their technical, soft skills as well as social skillset to be able to deliver as per their capabilities. It is good to see that IT industry is trying to reinvent itself after the recession, as only companies with strong sense of direction, employee satisfaction and growth opportunity will survive in the coming years. Competition has increased hence what we deliver and what we can deliver will decide the future of our IT industry.
Posted by:SRG
- 19 Mar, 2010
24:
It is up the employer to decide and select right team members for his Business activities. It is up to a person to get right Attitude, Skills, and Knowledge to get qualified to work with an employer. Software engineering is a Creative Passion! not just a casual service. This is what I think after working 25-years in Business Software engineering.
Posted by:Mohan
- 19 Mar, 2010
25:
...does it mean...a construction company should hire only a mason in place of a civil engineer,a mechanic in place of mechanical engineer etc etc...depending upon and practically speaking they had more knowledge on ground realities...its only a trend in the present sceaniro of cost cutting not degrading the level...give anybody 15 days he will learn...
Posted by:Urooj Zaidi
- 19 Mar, 2010
26:
Most of the engineers in IT firms are mere 'coders' where they get very minimum chances to improve their tech skills. For such a job, why should they prefer techies? In that perspective, the new change is good. But there are different aspects of the same job, where techie's skills are a must. From my experience, there should be clearer role demarcation between the jobs they do. Taking facts into consideration, and keeping all 'personal opinions' away, the new strategy of the IT majors can be successful, with a clearer career architecture, where the skills of each class of employees can be utilized at its best.
PS: I am an engineer, working in an indian IT major.
PS: I am an engineer, working in an indian IT major.
Posted by:Rohith
- 19 Mar, 2010
27:
What do you mean by "mere coders" by the way? Is coding such a trivial thing?
Amit Replied to: Rohith
- 20 Mar, 2010
28:
mere coders = = code coolies. IT or Non-IT, 95% of them are coolies.
sam pinto Replied to: Amit
- 20 Mar, 2010
29:
I have my sympathies with such people who are employed for so called "mere coding" and also with the clients who pay heavy bills for the so called "mere coding".
Amit Replied to: sam pinto
- 20 Mar, 2010
30:
You are right Amit. Actually there are lot of management considers coding as mere thing. Later they will run into problems and finds that coding is not mere. They learn this lesson by paying a high cost
Jean Paul Replied to: Amit
- 20 Mar, 2010
31:
In IT Industry Techie does not mean technical qualification, all it means is person with technology focus. Anyone who has interest in technology and have spent significant amount of time and effort learning it.
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Posted by:Lionel
- 19 Mar, 2010
32:
let’s show some respect to engineers. After-all they have spent so much money and time for their own career. They should get first priority to all jobs, whatever job it may be. We have more engineers then the job available anyway.
Companies should give first priority to engineers. Govt. should do something about it. We do not want Engineers to follow farmers and do something wrong.
Companies should give first priority to engineers. Govt. should do something about it. We do not want Engineers to follow farmers and do something wrong.
Posted by:Mouli
- 19 Mar, 2010
33:
Everyone is expressing their personal agenda here, it's funny to read.
Thank God Dhirubhai Ambani and all great entrepreneur like him were not Engineers!
Thank God Dhirubhai Ambani and all great entrepreneur like him were not Engineers!
Posted by:Tushar
- 19 Mar, 2010
34:
Hey Tushar you must know that all the bosses and founders of major IT companies were Engineers. Get your facts right and then speak.
Amit Replied to: Tushar
- 20 Mar, 2010
35:
Is Bill Gates engineer,is Steve Jobs engineer... please explain..
Arup Saha Replied to: Amit
- 20 Mar, 2010
36:
What I mean is having engineering degree does not make any difference, not even institute. Look at our country engineers are in root of almost every kind of infrastructure. If they really have professional ethics, the "talent" which is being discussed in this topic, the grooming of the institute or the professionalism being discussed here was really there, our country would not have one of the world's worst infrastructure.
I know IITians and also IAS(s) and IPS(s) who seek dowry (just a one example).
I'm in IT and I lead engineers and non engineers and I don't see any significant different in their talent, productivity, skills or anything else (just another example). Qualification and/or institute from where you are does not really make any difference except you might have little better presentation skills, that's it.
I'm firmly believe that degree may give you a better starting platform and institute may give you little better reputation, but rest is all the result you produce.
Let's come out of the narrow thinking and arrogance of being engineer or doctor. Those days are gone.
I know IITians and also IAS(s) and IPS(s) who seek dowry (just a one example).
I'm in IT and I lead engineers and non engineers and I don't see any significant different in their talent, productivity, skills or anything else (just another example). Qualification and/or institute from where you are does not really make any difference except you might have little better presentation skills, that's it.
I'm firmly believe that degree may give you a better starting platform and institute may give you little better reputation, but rest is all the result you produce.
Let's come out of the narrow thinking and arrogance of being engineer or doctor. Those days are gone.
Tushar Replied to: Arup Saha
- 22 Mar, 2010
37:
Previous post is reply to Amit's opinion, not to Arup. Sorry for the error.
Tushar Replied to: Tushar
- 22 Mar, 2010
38:
Do you mean an Engineer is a person with a proper engineering degree? Read the biographies of Steve Jobs and Bill Gates fully and see how keenly they were interested in computers for their early days. They went to Engineering schools too, but left because of they got success before graduating.
And why everybody has talking about exceptions. Excepts are not rules and someone has rightly said - "You don't have a fullmoon everyday"
And why everybody has talking about exceptions. Excepts are not rules and someone has rightly said - "You don't have a fullmoon everyday"
Amit Replied to: Arup Saha
- 20 Mar, 2010
39:
Majority of Indian IT engineers are code coolies, they do not think. Interestingly these days there are many module coolies aka module leads in Indian IT companies.
sam pinto Replied to: Arup Saha
- 20 Mar, 2010
40:
Well, I have been reading the comments below and would totally agree with the IT strategy that is currently being implemented. If someone is thinking of
hiring only engineers, then everybody in this country must study engineering. But, think of people who cannot study higher courses due to lack of financial
assistance or some other reason but yet can perform well if a chance is provided. There is no rule that an engineer can perform better than a non-engineer
or vice versa. You are paid for the level of performance and talent you have. And moreover why are you so concenred about engineers getting into technical IT jobs. 10 YEARS BACK preference was given only to MCA,
MBA, BE, BTEC, ME & MTECH as long as they had the engineering certification (mechanical and technical). So when there no concern for these candidates, why
the difference now.
I have been in this industry for last 10 years entered while doing MSC Computers and it was not considered. But, today I am in a good position serving
lot of IT clients.
I AM PROUD TO SAY MY NAME IS ARUN AND I AM A NON-ENGINEER AND MEET MY JOB RESPONSIBILITIES ABOVE EXPECTATIONS....
By the way..how do you define professionalism.... It should be in your style of work and not just externally...
hiring only engineers, then everybody in this country must study engineering. But, think of people who cannot study higher courses due to lack of financial
assistance or some other reason but yet can perform well if a chance is provided. There is no rule that an engineer can perform better than a non-engineer
or vice versa. You are paid for the level of performance and talent you have. And moreover why are you so concenred about engineers getting into technical IT jobs. 10 YEARS BACK preference was given only to MCA,
MBA, BE, BTEC, ME & MTECH as long as they had the engineering certification (mechanical and technical). So when there no concern for these candidates, why
the difference now.
I have been in this industry for last 10 years entered while doing MSC Computers and it was not considered. But, today I am in a good position serving
lot of IT clients.
I AM PROUD TO SAY MY NAME IS ARUN AND I AM A NON-ENGINEER AND MEET MY JOB RESPONSIBILITIES ABOVE EXPECTATIONS....
By the way..how do you define professionalism.... It should be in your style of work and not just externally...
Posted by:Arun
- 19 Mar, 2010
42:
I totally agree with you Arun. I'm from Non-Engineering background working in one of the TOP IT company. I didn't make up to engineering level becoz of my financial condition. But i must say that today i work neck-to-neck with engineers and my performance is always best from them. So why company should prefer engineers with high wages who is not even performing like a non-engineering graduate. I have seen this feeling while working with many engineers, that they thinks themselves up and above from rest which atlast barred them to learn new skills. So coming days are going to more tougher for engineers then non-engineers specially in IT sector
Shankara Replied to: Dinesh
- 20 Mar, 2010
43:
We will have to save our engineers. It is a great responsibility of the nation to think something for the engineers. I guess the farmers, the poor of this country should get other, to save the job of engineers.
It will be a great shame for nation if the nation cannot think of how to feed these Engineers. Its okay if the farmers are committing suicide, who cares they are not engineers anyway.
Lets get together and save the engineers, lets figure out what they can do, that a matriculate cannot and provide that to engineers to do.
It will be a great shame for nation if the nation cannot think of how to feed these Engineers. Its okay if the farmers are committing suicide, who cares they are not engineers anyway.
Lets get together and save the engineers, lets figure out what they can do, that a matriculate cannot and provide that to engineers to do.
Posted by:Rajan
- 19 Mar, 2010
44:
You said it right....Rather than working for something to happen in some other country and/or for some greedy minds,the time has exceeded to build our own nation. lets go ahead.......Great going.....
Sandeep Replied to: Rajan
- 19 Mar, 2010
45:
Hello Raja,
I can't understand why you are that much worried about the Engineers. If some body is Talented and Skilled, No company would like to loose him. Companies would always respect Skill and Talent. So, please don't worry.
Have a great time :)
I can't understand why you are that much worried about the Engineers. If some body is Talented and Skilled, No company would like to loose him. Companies would always respect Skill and Talent. So, please don't worry.
Have a great time :)
sekhar Replied to: Rajan
- 19 Mar, 2010
46:
why should engineers depend on others to save them... if you have skills success will anywaz come to you...
Arup Saha Replied to: sekhar
- 20 Mar, 2010
47:
Exactly, then why is all these cry? If they can't save themselve its not worth saving them.
Rajan Replied to: Arup Saha
- 20 Mar, 2010
48:
There more to being a techie than a software programmer .A software engineer doing a diploma in bioinformatics and joining a biotech company is as incompetent in serving a biotech industry as would a molecular biology graduate from any premier institute in a software.There are many field,technical field in particular where an engineer in useless. Say material science, creation of nanotube was first done by a american chemist,richard smalley,it is extensively used by ibm an it company. Algorithms are extensively by mathematicians.As a matter of theoretical computer science is as much mathematics as it is coding. Great computer scientists like Dijkstra was a theoretical physicist who later shifted to computer science because of interest. The founder of Intel corp , Dr Gordon Moore was infact a chemist,not even an engineer.So the grounds of segregating a engineering techie is indeed questionable.
Posted by:babai
- 19 Mar, 2010
49:
good insight.. but they were born engineers.. and everyday u don get a full moon.
rajesh Replied to: babai
- 19 Mar, 2010
50:
Well, I am more comments on this topic, but after all this is talk on IT Computer Technical people... So I told that Degree / Master is not important but the person whom a knowledge and skill they are deserve or prosperous for IT jobs. Second Thing is that, In IT Industries people have to reduces job criteria like Job degree qualification like MCA / PGDIT / MBA / BE (IT / COMP.) because some people who get the degree in Science / Commerce / Arts and they have also good knowledge in Computer. They are good technical skill and depth knowledge. So, I would like to suggest for comments. In IT NO degree / Master degree require but GIVE THE Important to KNOWLEDGE and SKILL / EXPERIENCE.
Posted by:RITESH VYAS
- 19 Mar, 2010
51:
This seems better. So no need of engg/MCA/PGDIT guys for getting into IT... all that you need to do from hereon is get a grads degree, then complete a certification may be. There you go, you have a job with top IT jiants.
Sounds great. I have wasted my years, could have done the same wouldnt have been indebted under such a moneytory debt as well.
Its like you learn Brain surgery by being an intern & then continue performing.
Sounds great. I have wasted my years, could have done the same wouldnt have been indebted under such a moneytory debt as well.
Its like you learn Brain surgery by being an intern & then continue performing.
Sayan Replied to: RITESH VYAS
- 19 Mar, 2010
53:
As it seems only for this field of work, its a complete waste of time, money & effort for all those who have studied. If this is what the employers are thinking then everyone can spend a mere amount for grads, do a course.
Is that it. Sadly this incursion is only happening in this SPECIALISED field of work, feel ashamed sometimes at am working in an IT field which doesnt even portray the amount of effort than one goes through for a period of 3-4 years of their lives.
Sad consequences and you ending up working with a work force wherein it makes you wonder whether it was a right decision of putting in that effort, could have easily done with a grads & got to that position.
Is that it. Sadly this incursion is only happening in this SPECIALISED field of work, feel ashamed sometimes at am working in an IT field which doesnt even portray the amount of effort than one goes through for a period of 3-4 years of their lives.
Sad consequences and you ending up working with a work force wherein it makes you wonder whether it was a right decision of putting in that effort, could have easily done with a grads & got to that position.
Posted by:Sayan
- 19 Mar, 2010
54:
well, computer engg is not a brain surgery..other Engineering streams need a strong base of subject knowledge but comp eng. is something based on logic...i am in this industry and I am telling this.it's all ends in COPY and PASTE...just take an example...have ever heard people from commerce, arts after graduation taking Mech engg, chem engg course..NO but they can go to computer courses like MCA, PGDIT .which all are same as comp Engg....program/ code writing only needs logic and nothing else which anyone can generate.
Posted by:Raj
- 19 Mar, 2010
55:
Dear friend you said: "other Engineering streams need a strong base of subject knowledge but comp eng. is something based on logic". Tell me what an average mechanical engineer do in his job? or a civil engineer? Do they apply everything they learn in their Engineering schools? Even 20% of it? Likewise, an average computer engineer does not require all the subject knowledge in average coding work. But yes he need to know the basics very well to deliver anything good. Even a programmer who works on pre-built frameworks need to know good coding skills, database knowledge, and various concepts.
I agree that most Indian companies don't care about quality and so you can find my software engineers who are not good in basics and this is due to these IT companies who want quantity and stress less on quality.
I agree that most Indian companies don't care about quality and so you can find my software engineers who are not good in basics and this is due to these IT companies who want quantity and stress less on quality.
Amit Replied to: Raj
- 19 Mar, 2010
56:
Well, MCA or PGIT subjects are exactly same as what you would study in the last 3 years of your computer science engg. Atleast that is true for MCA, that gives the knowledge on things that one needs for this domain of work. Its a specialised degree at the end or else then scrap this all these if you think that it isn't good enough. This way there is always a workaround for anything, question is does it maintain quality of work OR does it only maintain quantity of work.
Food for thought..
Food for thought..
Sayan Replied to: Raj
- 19 Mar, 2010
57:
True but one thing....MCA can also be done in Correspondence course...BUT YES I AGREE WITH YOU.. It's only the quality of work..that can be done by anyone..provided PROPER Training given...Dear .... engg degree is really not required..knowledge is, which can be sought from several sources...
Raj Replied to: Sayan
- 19 Mar, 2010
58:
Ok all is well!ButIn my perspective,I think IT field attracted poeple \shine not only by its huge pay.there were people who were studing engineering as their passion of life.i can assure we were using most advanced technology in our daily life which can only be used in military purposes this is because of people how fealed engeneering is their passion.i am saying,that non-technmical peoples are not less educated but they have no innovativeness,they will be only spoon feeding.if IT companies are planning to take non- tech for technician,then its better technically trained people can try of becoming enterpreneur
Posted by:md shakeel s
- 19 Mar, 2010
59:
Absolutely correct decision as there are so many IT maintenance and testing job does not require so called Engineering knowledge. Go Ahead !
Posted by:Ramasamy Murugan
- 19 Mar, 2010
60:
I believe in that case I can be a doctor & start performing surgeries as well being a computer engg... right? well i can be in training for 6 months max in an hospital as any other non-techie would be at a Top-notch IT firm.
Posted by:Sayan
- 19 Mar, 2010
61:
Sir, doctor's need a registration number and holds immense responsibility...it's not like comp engineers who can be from any chacha..mama college..doctors treat humans...i think you are not stupid to compare a doctor and engineer.
Raj Replied to: Sayan
- 19 Mar, 2010
62:
Agree that a doctor performs a lot much critical work. But its not like Software engineers do a very trivial kind of job and are not held responsible for anything.
If a person can do a short course and become a software engineer, then a person can do a short course in medicine and become a doctor. giving 5 yrs in MBBS and 5+ years further in higher studies is useless. I believe a total of 2 -3 years would be more than enough.
If a person can do a short course and become a software engineer, then a person can do a short course in medicine and become a doctor. giving 5 yrs in MBBS and 5+ years further in higher studies is useless. I believe a total of 2 -3 years would be more than enough.
Amit Replied to: Raj
- 19 Mar, 2010
63:
Then what is the use of having computer science as a course in BE or BTech..wat abt their job oppurtunities?
Posted by:Uday
- 19 Mar, 2010
64:
How do you justify that a BE/BTech is more equivalent for this post.
As far as my Education experience goes I trained a lot of Engineers who knew how to copy in Tests...whereas we usually dont develop that habit at a regular degree.
If that be the case ... then how come the Java Platform writes contain 60% graduates ...I am sure u must be cursing me.
But don't worry son...You guys wont get terminated..instead..will think & work harder..which you don't.
As far as my Education experience goes I trained a lot of Engineers who knew how to copy in Tests...whereas we usually dont develop that habit at a regular degree.
If that be the case ... then how come the Java Platform writes contain 60% graduates ...I am sure u must be cursing me.
But don't worry son...You guys wont get terminated..instead..will think & work harder..which you don't.
Soham Majumder Replied to: Uday
- 19 Mar, 2010
65:
ha...here comes the one who gives certificate to the non-engg students.sir,IT companies r hiring non engg graduates just to reduce their cost, not b'coz of their talent r hardwork.I'm sure in due course they'll hire 12th students n diploma students to do the same job.what will u say at that time.Will u say its b'cos +2 or diploma students are more talented than B.Es n B.SCs?
divya Replied to: Soham Majumder
- 19 Mar, 2010
66:
I wish to establish the difference between an Engineer and a non-Engineer.
Engineering is called a Professional degree and rightly so.
Professionalism requires to be untiring, problem solving, comprehending, multi-tasking, perfectionist. If other degrees where doing this, they would also be named Professional Degree. So a non-engineering graduate can never replace an Engineer.
Having said this, do all the Tom-Dick-Harry who posses a piece of paper saying "Certificate of Engineering" posses the above said Qualities? The answer is a poor NO.
Where this all screwed up? The so-called-professional-degree-holder, was never tested for the above quality. The education system is to be blamed for this chaos. Thats why non-engineering student's are considered a replacement for Engineers. The basic fault starts from Entrance, right persons don't enter the field. Merit is never meritted in India. A wrong input can never give a right output.
So its all fair to say non-Engineers are a right replacement to Wrong-Engineers. At least the Economists got it right!
Engineering is called a Professional degree and rightly so.
Professionalism requires to be untiring, problem solving, comprehending, multi-tasking, perfectionist. If other degrees where doing this, they would also be named Professional Degree. So a non-engineering graduate can never replace an Engineer.
Having said this, do all the Tom-Dick-Harry who posses a piece of paper saying "Certificate of Engineering" posses the above said Qualities? The answer is a poor NO.
Where this all screwed up? The so-called-professional-degree-holder, was never tested for the above quality. The education system is to be blamed for this chaos. Thats why non-engineering student's are considered a replacement for Engineers. The basic fault starts from Entrance, right persons don't enter the field. Merit is never meritted in India. A wrong input can never give a right output.
So its all fair to say non-Engineers are a right replacement to Wrong-Engineers. At least the Economists got it right!
Posted by:Rajesh
- 19 Mar, 2010
69:
Good one. A non-professional cannot match a professional person. No matter what the industry says.
Kanika Replied to: prashant
- 19 Mar, 2010
70:
I feel its good decision. It is not a question about IT or non-IT. Its question about expertise. If your expertise you will get an opportunity in any field. IT guys are not born with experience. Every one coming into this field without experience. Once they got trained then they are become IT experts by the same way No-IT guy can be a icon in their area once he got trained.
One of our reader commented like IT will become the low end job in coming years. I think he just closed his eyes in the office. ITS ALREADY LOW END JOB. Only thing for time being your earning more money then others. FYI, govt employees are getting more salaries then IT employees (Middle level and Low Level)
One of our reader commented like IT will become the low end job in coming years. I think he just closed his eyes in the office. ITS ALREADY LOW END JOB. Only thing for time being your earning more money then others. FYI, govt employees are getting more salaries then IT employees (Middle level and Low Level)
Posted by:Ram
- 19 Mar, 2010
71:
Hello Ram,
I do agree with you. But, no body would born with expertise. It is the education system, which makes people to be expertise in any form. Basically, Our education system has failed a bit to create such expertise. However, It would a good decision, replacing techies with non-techies.
I do agree with you. But, no body would born with expertise. It is the education system, which makes people to be expertise in any form. Basically, Our education system has failed a bit to create such expertise. However, It would a good decision, replacing techies with non-techies.
sekhar Replied to: Ram
- 19 Mar, 2010
72:
The IT service industry is making sense. Sometimes the triviality of the software tasks make it do-able by any literate person with some common-sense. Often it hurts the 'ego' of engineers and masters who are taught formally the computing. And most of the IT service companies just look at the dollar per head and are least bothered about the work content the pull out as out-sourcing contracts
Posted by:raman
- 19 Mar, 2010
73:
I must say that this idea makes good sense .. not only financially for employers but also from a general standpoint. For years, government organisations and universities have cribbed that the best brains are behind the better paying software jobs -- leaving them driblets to be content with.
Given the fact that a huge bulk of the work in the Indian IT industry is neither creative nor analytical but definitely repetitive, this scenario has been a terrible waste of good talent. Nobody is happy -- many engineers think they have been cheated when they find they have to do manual tasks which even a non-technical resource could do, while companies worry about the wage bill.
Going forward, good engineers will be more available to other industries/institutes for solving the real problems which abound. This might also reduce the craze for engineering, which is good given the fact that there the average quality of engineering graduates today in India is abysmally poor.
P.S : I am an engineer myself and have spent a couple of years with a big Indian software company.
Given the fact that a huge bulk of the work in the Indian IT industry is neither creative nor analytical but definitely repetitive, this scenario has been a terrible waste of good talent. Nobody is happy -- many engineers think they have been cheated when they find they have to do manual tasks which even a non-technical resource could do, while companies worry about the wage bill.
Going forward, good engineers will be more available to other industries/institutes for solving the real problems which abound. This might also reduce the craze for engineering, which is good given the fact that there the average quality of engineering graduates today in India is abysmally poor.
P.S : I am an engineer myself and have spent a couple of years with a big Indian software company.
Posted by:Satyajit
- 19 Mar, 2010
74:
I think somewhere the IT firms should become a bit sensible and smart.The IT firms/management should know what is the difference between hiring an engineer and a person coming from other field . Its something like eating a full riped mango and compromising on off season mango.
These firms try to implement on the ideas of so called bureaucratic idiots who are called management where they finally land up filing being bankrupt .
There are ways to look at things , and if Firms dont have vision and always look at cost effect then the day is not far when we will need to start again from zero and responsible will be the management with no thinking box on their shoulder.
These firms try to implement on the ideas of so called bureaucratic idiots who are called management where they finally land up filing being bankrupt .
There are ways to look at things , and if Firms dont have vision and always look at cost effect then the day is not far when we will need to start again from zero and responsible will be the management with no thinking box on their shoulder.
Posted by:Bidyut Banerjee
- 19 Mar, 2010
75:
IT will become the low end job in coming years.. I am not saying this because non-tech is joining IT. Just see how IT has grown over time... initially only comp science students from top institutes were part of the game, later it got diluted to all branches of engg, later it got diluted further to hire BSc. and now to the level of graduation. So I think its at an alarming state where we should think about other options - core industry jobs, entertainment, media, research, etc. It will not be a surprise if tomorrow IT becomes the most lowend job. Working in Mines may earn you better than working for an IT firm.
So non-techies, I think you certainly deserve this job, there is nothing so challenging that you all can not do, in fact you can be better in communication and will also learn technology over time but think - do u want to do the job that will be called as lowend job ?
So non-techies, I think you certainly deserve this job, there is nothing so challenging that you all can not do, in fact you can be better in communication and will also learn technology over time but think - do u want to do the job that will be called as lowend job ?
Posted by:Pradeep
- 19 Mar, 2010
76:
Completely agree with your point. This decision will be good for non-techies. But overall, for the current techie work force , it will be a nightmare. After 5to 7 years, they will loose their negotiation power and the wages will become quite lower. But the inflation will be consistently increasing in all these years
so it will be a difficult situation for the techies after 5 to 7 years
so it will be a difficult situation for the techies after 5 to 7 years
anurag Replied to: Pradeep
- 19 Mar, 2010
77:
I am confident the above decision has been made some non techie idiot.
A mechanic feels that he knows every thing of a vehicle until and unless he sees a new model. Lets see how this IT industry goes to dogs now.
A mechanic feels that he knows every thing of a vehicle until and unless he sees a new model. Lets see how this IT industry goes to dogs now.
Posted by:Amjad Khan
- 19 Mar, 2010
79:
Its not a matter of Tech VS Non Tech,
Any one can do any work.But if a some one have got some experties in any particulars He can perform that task in more better and efficient way.Lets take a HR Guys,One who can communicate better can do HR work.then what is need of experties in HR
One should not challenge any one degree.
Any one can do any work.But if a some one have got some experties in any particulars He can perform that task in more better and efficient way.Lets take a HR Guys,One who can communicate better can do HR work.then what is need of experties in HR
One should not challenge any one degree.
Posted by:Ranjeet Kumar
- 19 Mar, 2010
81:
I think u are right. Non tech mens disgusting that is not always true - Tanmoy
Tanmoy Replied to: Ranjeet Kumar
- 19 Mar, 2010
83:
At least they have come out of their deep slumber.
Posted by:sanjay chaudhary
- 19 Mar, 2010
84:
Its a real fact that today scenario of market is changing rapidly.Everybody has equal potential once he got exposure.Qualification is not only the constraint for this field.
Companies are right if they're using it for cost cutting, using this methodology.
Companies are right if they're using it for cost cutting, using this methodology.
Posted by:Deepak
- 19 Mar, 2010
85:
I believe in that case I can be a doctor & start performing surgeries as well being a computer engg... right? well i can be in training for 6 months max in an hospital as any other non-techie would be at a Top-notch IT firm.
Sayan Replied to: Deepak
- 19 Mar, 2010
86:
Are you making Joke of Doctors.Please,dont mislead the discussion.Medical profession has different protocols of working compare to us.Atleast,I am somehow agree with above statement to do outsourcing and for IT serivces,non-techies are really performing very well and we should admire them.
Ranjeet Replied to: Sayan
- 22 Mar, 2010
87:
Super Yaar.. Awesome.. I too agree your point
Actually, when companies are replacing techies with low cost non-techies, it means that particular job doesn't require techies. It doesn't mean there is no place for techies..
Techies can go ahead with more tech-oriented work which a non-techie can perform (with 6 months training too)
I am a Techie although, but I feel non-techies should be encouraged to tap the IT stream.
Actually, when companies are replacing techies with low cost non-techies, it means that particular job doesn't require techies. It doesn't mean there is no place for techies..
Techies can go ahead with more tech-oriented work which a non-techie can perform (with 6 months training too)
I am a Techie although, but I feel non-techies should be encouraged to tap the IT stream.
Jean Paul Replied to: Sayan
- 20 Mar, 2010
89:
i don't know by what crooked means you pass 6-8 subjects with each textbook having 1000 pages every semester. especially when all you techies' english is so pathetic as can be seen here in these posts.
i did an engg degree and dropped it half-way through. i didn't pass the exams on the first try. i never tried again because i felt nobody in the entire university knew anything of what they were talking about - teachers, students, no one. and i am not going to try to prove my knowledge to idiots.
totally agree with first comment that engg is just a useless certificate in india.
i did an engg degree and dropped it half-way through. i didn't pass the exams on the first try. i never tried again because i felt nobody in the entire university knew anything of what they were talking about - teachers, students, no one. and i am not going to try to prove my knowledge to idiots.
totally agree with first comment that engg is just a useless certificate in india.
Posted by:Sanju Paison
- 19 Mar, 2010
90:
Sanju:
You need not be very well versed in English for an Engineering degree. If you know good English than that is an added advantage. Engineering and English have not much in common.
You decided to pursue something else was your personal decision and may be very applicable in your scenario. This may not have been good option for others who enjoyed Engineering.
Additionally most of us are simple B.Techs are not PhD. We had just 4 years of exposure to different theories at basic level which is absolutely not sufficient for core and R&D jobs.
Now coming to other complain that most of us opt for engineering. This has to do the society in which we live. Most of us are from middle class where securing a job is one of the foremost need in life. There is huge financial insecurity for us and engineering of course open doors for IT industry at less cost and less effort.
I think we need to analyze things before passing judgement.
And really I do not see much harm in people choosing IT as a profession. Its all about perception. You might be thinking that you are doing good job and other might be thinking same. So be happy :-)
You need not be very well versed in English for an Engineering degree. If you know good English than that is an added advantage. Engineering and English have not much in common.
You decided to pursue something else was your personal decision and may be very applicable in your scenario. This may not have been good option for others who enjoyed Engineering.
Additionally most of us are simple B.Techs are not PhD. We had just 4 years of exposure to different theories at basic level which is absolutely not sufficient for core and R&D jobs.
Now coming to other complain that most of us opt for engineering. This has to do the society in which we live. Most of us are from middle class where securing a job is one of the foremost need in life. There is huge financial insecurity for us and engineering of course open doors for IT industry at less cost and less effort.
I think we need to analyze things before passing judgement.
And really I do not see much harm in people choosing IT as a profession. Its all about perception. You might be thinking that you are doing good job and other might be thinking same. So be happy :-)
Aditya Gupta Replied to: Sanju Paison
- 20 Mar, 2010
91:
Great Aditya.. Super Positive Comments
Jean Paul Replied to: Aditya Gupta
- 20 Mar, 2010
92:
you dropped a engg. degree half way of IIT or of a private college? You could have been able to understand the value of engg. degree if ever you passed the exam like JEE.
ANURAG Replied to: Sanju Paison
- 19 Mar, 2010
93:
not iit, but very reputed college
Sanju Paison Replied to: ANURAG
- 19 Mar, 2010
94:
Do some IIT and then comment idiot
SanjuIsShit Replied to: Sanju Paison
- 20 Mar, 2010
95:
Hi Sanju,
No offense but you want to put the blame of ur failures on engineering degree.. May i ask you what ur upto nowdays.. i am also a techie and i graduated form one of the reputed engineering colleges in Pune..it's a century old education system and just because you do not understand, u are stamping idiot mark on everyone ...
May i know what sought of knowledge and skills you posses now, apart from destructive criticism.
Regards,
A true engineer :)
No offense but you want to put the blame of ur failures on engineering degree.. May i ask you what ur upto nowdays.. i am also a techie and i graduated form one of the reputed engineering colleges in Pune..it's a century old education system and just because you do not understand, u are stamping idiot mark on everyone ...
May i know what sought of knowledge and skills you posses now, apart from destructive criticism.
Regards,
A true engineer :)
Tony Replied to: Sanju Paison
- 19 Mar, 2010
96:
maybe i wasn't able understand, or maybe no one else really understood either. but still i don't think all of them understood everything in those 1000 page books.
a lot of people act as though they know stuff that they really don't.
if you are one of those people, all i'm saying is you should be ashamed of yourself.
a lot of people act as though they know stuff that they really don't.
if you are one of those people, all i'm saying is you should be ashamed of yourself.
Sanju Paison Replied to: Tony
- 19 Mar, 2010
97:
A perfect answer for Sanju and all destructive criticizers who blame others to hide their failures.
Sanju if you couldn't pass the exams of this useless degree (useless according to sick persons like you) in the first try, then how can you pass exams of any useful degree... Well anyway, could you please tell all of us what degree you think is useful for the persons like you.
Warm Regards,
A techie who passed all the engineering exams in a first go :)
Sanju if you couldn't pass the exams of this useless degree (useless according to sick persons like you) in the first try, then how can you pass exams of any useful degree... Well anyway, could you please tell all of us what degree you think is useful for the persons like you.
Warm Regards,
A techie who passed all the engineering exams in a first go :)
Yatendra Replied to: Tony
- 19 Mar, 2010
98:
any degree which is taught properly, dude
Sanju Replied to: Yatendra
- 19 Mar, 2010
100:
if you are an idiot, it shows. i don't have to stamp any mark on you.
Sanju Paison Replied to: engg
- 19 Mar, 2010
101:
Sanju .. good that you left engineering.. Engineering is an art that needs hard work, application, zeal and love for engineering.. Engineer is a substitute word for creator. Thats why it is placed on par with Doctors. Thanks for quitting.
A Proud Engineer who had the courage and determination to clear the only Arrear paper in 7th sem. :)
A Proud Engineer who had the courage and determination to clear the only Arrear paper in 7th sem. :)
rajesh Replied to: Sanju Paison
- 19 Mar, 2010
102:
Thanks for quitting?
Say thanks to Albert Einstein and Bill Gates as well, Rajesh.
I joined engg to become a creator and it was not helping me to do that. I quit because I am a true creator.
Mean comments is all you know. Nothing will improve without the true desire to improve.
"It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument."
Say thanks to Albert Einstein and Bill Gates as well, Rajesh.
I joined engg to become a creator and it was not helping me to do that. I quit because I am a true creator.
Mean comments is all you know. Nothing will improve without the true desire to improve.
"It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument."
Sanju Paison Replied to: rajesh
- 19 Mar, 2010
103:
Well Sanju, if you believe yoursef to be a true creator, you should have stood the ground and shown to world that this what went wrong, and thats where you excelled. The moment you said you shielded-of that shows you werent absobing the pressure of becoming an Engineer/ Creator. Between did you create anything now other than childs, which millions of non-engineers has already done?
Well you said u didnt learn anything from Engineering, i learnt"It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument".
A true Engineer always sees an oppurtunity to learn.
Well you said u didnt learn anything from Engineering, i learnt"It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument".
A true Engineer always sees an oppurtunity to learn.
rajesh Replied to: Sanju Paison
- 19 Mar, 2010
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I Myself being part of the non-techie brigade who had joined an IT MNC in 2006 and working fine... with tech working under me.. and believe me there are thousands of non-techie who are doing better than techies in many fields. Hence i believe its perfectly fine for these companies to hire people like us.. its not the degree that matters its the intellect that bails you out. A non techie joining IT is as good as a civil engineer joined IT firm. IF they can do it, why cant we. Believe me after more than 3 years of exp. in this domain we non-tech are most sought after because it reduces project cost big time.
Posted by:Arup Saha
- 19 Mar, 2010
105:
ok but when appraisals come , you will also be given less.
I'm sure the management will say that also. Well i come from a company which already has the same strategy of hiring both graduates and engineers for the same job. Both sets of guys do the same job and are equally good but at the time of appraisal, the clever HR guys give lesser to the graduates,citing that engg>graduates, though the work is the same.
This creates jealousy and a whole lot of problems.
It's a double edged sword, this one.
The only way out of this would be for the government to open real high quality R&D institutes and also India should move from being a low cost IT destination to a high quality IT, EMS,hospitality and financial services country.
That's the only way everyone is going to be happy!
I'm sure the management will say that also. Well i come from a company which already has the same strategy of hiring both graduates and engineers for the same job. Both sets of guys do the same job and are equally good but at the time of appraisal, the clever HR guys give lesser to the graduates,citing that engg>graduates, though the work is the same.
This creates jealousy and a whole lot of problems.
It's a double edged sword, this one.
The only way out of this would be for the government to open real high quality R&D institutes and also India should move from being a low cost IT destination to a high quality IT, EMS,hospitality and financial services country.
That's the only way everyone is going to be happy!
Nandakumar Replied to: Arup Saha
- 20 Mar, 2010
106:
enna koduma saravanan ithu
superStarter Replied to: Arup Saha
- 19 Mar, 2010
108:
Biggest Advantage for IT companies hiring Non Techie is the Attrition rate and Low salary expectation. A non Techie like Civil , Mechanical etc will learn TCP/IP, Stacks ques, Computer org etc when they join IT industry and learning one programmin language like Java makes them proud and confident and they will settle down in same company for a longer period with less salary and Technology also they will not change and they will compare them with their frds working hard in manufacturing plant or in sites and they feel happy and satisfied. For IT companies and non techies its win win situation. Non Techies cant do multiple tasks like techies so effiecntly.
Ramesh Replied to: Arup Saha
- 19 Mar, 2010
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No offenses against anyone , but this is completely weird to state that NO Techies are performing better than Techies in many places.
You can't compare and put these type of statements on the forum . It's a matter of personal intellect and the circumstances and the type of work and responsibilities assigned which turns out to be in advantages for some whereas disadvantages for the other.
Furthermore it's not about the hiring of techies and non techies, it's about the availability of work and the workforce available.
Both these types have the right to work and they will move wherever they get the opportunity to do so leave ahead non techies , we all know that the type of work we get in IT industries , even if we train a High School student for same even he would be able to deliver efficiently .
Hope this statement of mine will take this discussion to a higher new level and much beyond the conflict of techies and non techies.
You can't compare and put these type of statements on the forum . It's a matter of personal intellect and the circumstances and the type of work and responsibilities assigned which turns out to be in advantages for some whereas disadvantages for the other.
Furthermore it's not about the hiring of techies and non techies, it's about the availability of work and the workforce available.
Both these types have the right to work and they will move wherever they get the opportunity to do so leave ahead non techies , we all know that the type of work we get in IT industries , even if we train a High School student for same even he would be able to deliver efficiently .
Hope this statement of mine will take this discussion to a higher new level and much beyond the conflict of techies and non techies.
Shubham Replied to: Arup Saha
- 19 Mar, 2010
111:
Arup, highly appreciate you....
suryakanta Replied to: Shubham
- 19 Mar, 2010
112:
A mere technology certificate mean nothing, when the education is far away from the ground reality of the work.
In USA even arts graduate work on hardcore technology, school students work on the technology that engineers in do for living. Most of the engineers in IT company in India do data entry and other crap job for earning, which even a matriculate can do.
In that scenario why differentiate what the qualification the graduate has, as long as the skill needed is of School level.
In USA even arts graduate work on hardcore technology, school students work on the technology that engineers in do for living. Most of the engineers in IT company in India do data entry and other crap job for earning, which even a matriculate can do.
In that scenario why differentiate what the qualification the graduate has, as long as the skill needed is of School level.
Posted by:Dr.Dinaker
- 19 Mar, 2010
113:
Oh Dr. saheb, do you really think that techies in IT do data entry, if so then you have a very good knowledge of IT industry. You the man!
Amit Replied to: Dr.Dinaker
- 19 Mar, 2010
114:
The IT technologies taught in the eng colleges are outdated and has no relevance with the work done by the IT companies
Most of the engineers bring nothing from their education except a certificate and high hopes. There certificate guarantees nothing.
Software for techies, Is only followed in India. In western countries, a Techie does not have to be an engineer. IT has nothing to do with technical qualification. Anyone who has interest in technology and have spent significant amount and effort learning it can do the job.
In IT Industry Techie does not mean technical qualification, all it means is person with technology focus.
Most of the engineers bring nothing from their education except a certificate and high hopes. There certificate guarantees nothing.
Software for techies, Is only followed in India. In western countries, a Techie does not have to be an engineer. IT has nothing to do with technical qualification. Anyone who has interest in technology and have spent significant amount and effort learning it can do the job.
In IT Industry Techie does not mean technical qualification, all it means is person with technology focus.
Posted by:Raja
- 19 Mar, 2010
116:
Yes Raja, I am totally agree with you...
San Replied to: Raja
- 19 Mar, 2010
117:
Seems to be a good strategy for the time being. I guess its the skill which matters and not credentials.
I do not deny that for certain jobs we will require qualified professionals. But a person who does not have a degree to back him but is equipped with the skill can definitely do the job equally well. As such most of the hackers are not from engineering schools but do possess good knowledge.
I do not deny that for certain jobs we will require qualified professionals. But a person who does not have a degree to back him but is equipped with the skill can definitely do the job equally well. As such most of the hackers are not from engineering schools but do possess good knowledge.
Posted by:Marian Jayson (HCG)
- 19 Mar, 2010
118:
You told:
"As such most of the hackers are not from engineering schools but do possess good knowledge."
How do you know this? tell me the source of this information. AFAIK, almost all of greatest hackers were and are from best Engineering schools.
"As such most of the hackers are not from engineering schools but do possess good knowledge."
How do you know this? tell me the source of this information. AFAIK, almost all of greatest hackers were and are from best Engineering schools.
Amit Replied to: Marian Jayson (HCG)
- 19 Mar, 2010
119:
Instead of taking non-tech guy for tech job, there are lots of jobless techies and they are ready to work for low salary. So they should consider these aspires first
Posted by:raju
- 19 Mar, 2010
120:
Hire n Fire Rule is being adopted in other industries too hence Aage dekho hota hai kya. Remember Work is God n Health is Wealth.
Posted by:Gods must be crazy
- 19 Mar, 2010
121:
Still MNC companies not learning from recession.Because during the recession period most of the layoffs done to the non technical persons
In India nearly larger number of technical students came out every year.All the technical students are ready to work with minimum amount in right platform.
So MNC gave a opportunity to technical students and develop the industry in a right and quicker way.
In India nearly larger number of technical students came out every year.All the technical students are ready to work with minimum amount in right platform.
So MNC gave a opportunity to technical students and develop the industry in a right and quicker way.
Posted by:Nanda
- 19 Mar, 2010
122:
There are a few things that engineering teaches and other streams don't -
1. Working under pressure (time crunch) - Each engineering semester lasts only a few months and students study around 6 - 8 subjects. And in each subject they at least have to study one book of around 1000 pages. Other streams take one full year to do the same.
2. Problem solving - For 4 years, engineering students are groomed over and over again to solve problems. Its a common pattern across all subjects. Even exam papers concentrate a lot on problems rather than just asking for theory.
Also, a general issue is that technical terms/jargon will sound like Greek and Latin to these non-technical / non-science students. The natural result would be a bad or useless product/service coming out of these companies!
Given this case, I think what will happen is that initially this non-techie model will work since companies will only give no-brainer work to them. After a few years, biz guys will congratulate themselves for being masters of the universe and expand the model to everything else in IT. And soon we'll see another IT slowdown.
1. Working under pressure (time crunch) - Each engineering semester lasts only a few months and students study around 6 - 8 subjects. And in each subject they at least have to study one book of around 1000 pages. Other streams take one full year to do the same.
2. Problem solving - For 4 years, engineering students are groomed over and over again to solve problems. Its a common pattern across all subjects. Even exam papers concentrate a lot on problems rather than just asking for theory.
Also, a general issue is that technical terms/jargon will sound like Greek and Latin to these non-technical / non-science students. The natural result would be a bad or useless product/service coming out of these companies!
Given this case, I think what will happen is that initially this non-techie model will work since companies will only give no-brainer work to them. After a few years, biz guys will congratulate themselves for being masters of the universe and expand the model to everything else in IT. And soon we'll see another IT slowdown.
Posted by:Vinay
- 18 Mar, 2010
123:
All the skills mentioned by you can be generated by a normal graduate..why most so called techies go to MBA after finishing tech course. it's nothing tough ..specially in computer engg...this is the only field where others can also triumph on Geeky nerds from some top moronish institute
Raj Replied to: Vinay
- 19 Mar, 2010
124:
I totally agree with you Vinay.
Yatendra Goel Replied to: Vinay
- 19 Mar, 2010
125:
I don't Know What the Company are like to do.But if non-techi person working on as techie it will create problem.
ok.Let's wait and see.The result will be come soon.
ok.Let's wait and see.The result will be come soon.
Posted by:Rohan Kumar
- 18 Mar, 2010
126:
Right now where in the economy is boosting up companies like WIPRO,TCS can cope up with these NON-IT people.but what if there is a need for R&D domain?definitely we cannot rely on them!
So my view is to train the jobless engineers and let them through in.
So my view is to train the jobless engineers and let them through in.
Posted by:India
- 18 Mar, 2010
127:
Indian IT Service industry has not reached to its maturity level the reasons are
1) Most of the IT professuinals are from non Tech baground... and this is the reason why most of the projects are going to scrap.
2) Because our IT MNCs are hiring not techies for cost cutting..... The RNG section is not improving.... and hence there is no single product developed by out IT companies till now....
To to compete with the best in the international market we need to hire professionals rather that hiring for the sake of cost cutting....
1) Most of the IT professuinals are from non Tech baground... and this is the reason why most of the projects are going to scrap.
2) Because our IT MNCs are hiring not techies for cost cutting..... The RNG section is not improving.... and hence there is no single product developed by out IT companies till now....
To to compete with the best in the international market we need to hire professionals rather that hiring for the sake of cost cutting....
Shanmukh Replied to: India
- 19 Mar, 2010
128:
of course that is a good mantra. it will give opprtunity to non-tech job-seekers because technical people can get job easily based on qualification but not easy for non-tech people. good we can adopt in any industrial field
Posted by:Lalit Dua
- 18 Mar, 2010
129:
This is right, but we shuld not think that they are hiring non-techies for non techies work. Still there are jobs for Techies search it and sure you will find that. If i am not wrong, gradute students are more than engineer student.
This is not meant, that only after eng you can do job. anyone can do job if he is qualifying the interview for that requirement. Based on the requirement there are job. So keep eyes open.
This is not meant, that only after eng you can do job. anyone can do job if he is qualifying the interview for that requirement. Based on the requirement there are job. So keep eyes open.
Posted by:Tej Dixit
- 18 Mar, 2010
130:
Suppose a tech graduate become a teacher of english subject after 6 month training in english subject.What will happen? Will he satisfy what he desire for? Never. Everyone searching for his/her desire job. If he/she does not get it then for money doing other sector job. this creating problem to the industry as well as in his/her career. So, stop this kind of shifting to save any sector.
Avijit Replied to: Tej Dixit
- 19 Mar, 2010
131:
I am very much agree with you, person like me i have faced and still facing this kind of issue that if you are not engineering degree we can't hire you if u have work experience in the same field whatsoever.. So the tech graduates doing the same job as we do..then why cant we have the opportunity...
Gopal Replied to: Tej Dixit
- 18 Mar, 2010
132:
IT market is picking up now, if the firms do these kind of activities, how the quality would come to the products? It will be definitely a remark to the Indian IT Market.
Posted by:John
- 18 Mar, 2010
133:
most of the software engineers still don't have jobs and are on roads... why on earth wouldn't they provide training to such people and use them even if its for low wage? why do they think that graduates can fill in this gap?
people here think that its very easy to learn and perform an IT job but its not so easy when u work on IT in a Non IT firm.. their wont be a team big enough to handle all the issues and people can only realize when it comes on to their throat..
people here think that its very easy to learn and perform an IT job but its not so easy when u work on IT in a Non IT firm.. their wont be a team big enough to handle all the issues and people can only realize when it comes on to their throat..
Posted by:srinath
- 18 Mar, 2010
134:
How many of us think that computer engg grads are really required for the kind of jobs offered in most of the IT companies in India? Be from any engg stream, commerce stream etc., join NIIT for 6 months and you can become a software developer. Unless there is heavy investment in R&D, this is going to remain the same. You will always remain an outsourcing destination. And so when US coughs, we get fever. This is the fact.
Posted by:rajiv
- 18 Mar, 2010
135:
So you believe that a 6 months course from NIIT etc can make you a programmer and you can start working on a production system?
You are absolutely wrong buddy! Let alone the non-tech graduates, even tech graduates from a non-IT can't work on any serious production code after a 6 months NIIT course. Its not that easy. Has it been so easy, you would not have seen money flowing in into IT.
Even if a person is an IT grad you can't say that he can perform well.
Programming is fun but not a kid's game. The biggest isuue the IT world is facing today is the lack of good programmers. We have witnessed the blunders comitted by sub-standard programmers.
Today's IT world demands you to have expertise in many mordern frameworks, databases, Operating Systems so that you can effectively work on highly complex and multithreaded business applications. Mordern languages and frameworks makes the work easy for programmers but require to know basics better.
You are absolutely wrong buddy! Let alone the non-tech graduates, even tech graduates from a non-IT can't work on any serious production code after a 6 months NIIT course. Its not that easy. Has it been so easy, you would not have seen money flowing in into IT.
Even if a person is an IT grad you can't say that he can perform well.
Programming is fun but not a kid's game. The biggest isuue the IT world is facing today is the lack of good programmers. We have witnessed the blunders comitted by sub-standard programmers.
Today's IT world demands you to have expertise in many mordern frameworks, databases, Operating Systems so that you can effectively work on highly complex and multithreaded business applications. Mordern languages and frameworks makes the work easy for programmers but require to know basics better.
Amit Replied to: rajiv
- 19 Mar, 2010
136:
I do agree with u Amit. Now a days Quality is missing in in Tech graduates. Determination is missing. Devotion is missing. and Dedication is missing. Now a days every pass out Engg graduate ask for the package not for the quality. As quantity of Engg graduates r increasing the quality Engg graduates are decreasing day by day. If u have to survive in IT industry u have to be technically sound and must equipped with multiple technologies within u.
Vikas Naidu Replied to: Amit
- 19 Mar, 2010
137:
Totally Agree with you......No Engineer wants to become a SW programmer coding away his life........What then happens to all the engineering knowledge acquired all 4 years.....India is wasting its talented Civil, Mech, Electrical engineers to the IT. Though the IT companies is not to be blamed. Neither the Engineers, they will surely flock to where the money and job guarantee is. It upto the government to emphasize and promote industries and infrastructre build up that will create more and suitable job for our engineers than wasting their talent in IT firms
Fardin Replied to: rajiv
- 18 Mar, 2010
138:
This is totally an irresponsible behavior...hiring non-techies for the technology related work. Even with techies, project success rate is less than 25%...with non techies...they intend to smash it to zero? Their greed and unethical vision makes them focus only on getting more money from what they are paid by the clients. This is not service but a disservice to the society. This stupid action of these companies will affect them very much in due course of time. wait and see.
These companies will defend that non techies are only employed to do non tech jobs. Will they then accept non techie billing rates? which is 15 USD onsite and 5 USD offshore?
These companies will defend that non techies are only employed to do non tech jobs. Will they then accept non techie billing rates? which is 15 USD onsite and 5 USD offshore?
Posted by:Sanjeev
- 18 Mar, 2010
139:
Some time Non tech people shows better permormence than that of Labeld Engineers...!
They can Buy labels without putting more efforts...!
They can Buy labels without putting more efforts...!
Pradeep Replied to: Sanjeev
- 18 Mar, 2010
140:
You are right Santra even in the cities where Job Prospects are very High, the accomodation is very costly. It generally cost around 30-40% of your salary.
Posted by:BPr
- 18 Mar, 2010
141:
prices of everything right from foodstuff, essential commodities to real-estate is inflating at the same rate. why not salaries?
Posted by:santra
- 18 Mar, 2010
142:
yes this is good question. We need to think and analys. Every goods of daily need are going out of reach of lower and middle level people and they are not in position to handle the situation because of stability in salary/wages. Every employer/ company/trader/business entity is takling the price inflation by increase the rate of there product and compansating itself. there are just bypassing the inflation to end users. and the thing remain in hand is indifference of mind of those people. atleast they must think, how can a worker who is getting a salary of 2300-4000 going to pray for wellness. and how he is managing things to livelyhood. afterall he has to incure the money for education,transportation, rent, daily mealing, society, cloth, religios etc. My utmost request to all business entity to think over it and try to get a solution for their workers because healthy worker's are the sign of good healf of business(RB said)
balwantrana Replied to: santra
- 18 Mar, 2010
143:
If firms start hiring all the non techies, what will happen to all the aspiring techies now..
Posted by:Tarun
- 18 Mar, 2010
144:
Hello Tarun,
No need to worry about the Techie guys. No company would like to loose a Well skilled Techie Guy. If they think somebody is useless, they would recruit a useful guy. So, Where there is a Talent, There would be a Job. Relax Tarun.
Hope you get me
No need to worry about the Techie guys. No company would like to loose a Well skilled Techie Guy. If they think somebody is useless, they would recruit a useful guy. So, Where there is a Talent, There would be a Job. Relax Tarun.
Hope you get me
sekhar Replied to: Tarun
- 19 Mar, 2010
145:
correct tarun, IT field is for IT specific peoples, like doctors.. they cant be more productive in other fields. if people have IT knowledge and if they have moved into some other manufacturing or service industries, its obvious that they cant perform as they can do in IT. i don't think that could help much to reduce cost since hire non techie in IT field is like asking farmer to do an operation in human body
Viral Patel Replied to: Tarun
- 18 Mar, 2010
146:
Anyone can do the coding it's not a big stuff, But the quality which a engineer can give with the confidance is no match for an non-engineering graduate.
If a guy from NIIT can be a software developer than any HSC pass kid can also be a software developer but will it be match for an Engineer. No ways.
If a guy from NIIT can be a software developer than any HSC pass kid can also be a software developer but will it be match for an Engineer. No ways.
Prasanjeet Replied to: Viral Patel
- 18 Mar, 2010
147:
yeah... i have a live example of one person who doesn't even know to that what is 10exp(-3) during school days and joined B.Comm and after doing some certification from NIIT that person is software engineer... awesome.... being a techie i feel shame not because i dint join NIIT but because i worked really hard to get admission into one of the premier engg college which helped me to reach in this position.
neha Replied to: Prasanjeet
- 23 Mar, 2010
148:
This is an illusion that engineers give good quality code. The ratio is 80:20 where 20% is the population who really thinks balance all are engineers that is all. All techies are hurt by the decision of business but it is a good move. IT industry with products coming in need people who understand business equally well. Problem is cost of an engineer with MBA is unaffordable even at entry level plus no guarantee that it will work.
msy Replied to: Prasanjeet
- 19 Mar, 2010
149:
i agree... there would sure be difference in work of a guy who spent not only 4 years of engg in Computers.. but also earlier years of computer-fascination and curiosity to know about computers... than a guy.. who knew computer as a machine for music and movies.. for most of his life.. and taking up a job of software development by doing a computer course at some quick-learn-shops like NIIT.
Its truly unfair to hire non-tech guys for jobs meant for tech ppl.. it creates job problems for computer guys.. me too facing it rite now.. !
Its truly unfair to hire non-tech guys for jobs meant for tech ppl.. it creates job problems for computer guys.. me too facing it rite now.. !
arshad Replied to: Prasanjeet
- 18 Mar, 2010
150:
What do you meant by "jobs meant for tech ppl."if a person a so called "Non techi",can do the same job and gives the same results then what is unfair in that....in todays world one should be result orientated not the process orientated, and i think the companies are doing the same.
Mansih Replied to: arshad
- 19 Mar, 2010
151:
In my opinion, there is no harm putting non-techies into techie job as long as he performs. Its the age of fittest survival. It is not a point to worry for fittest for whatever field, he is from. Definitely, most likely, for a non techie, it is difficult to replace techie. But, If he has enough zeal, passion, he will survive. Other wise, another fitter will take over. So, its about fittest survival. It should be a healthy competetion.
Debasish Replied to: arshad
- 19 Mar, 2010
152:
You said fittest, right? And the article says that this is a new mantra for cost reduction. Consider the points below:
1. Cost cutting and quality don't go hand in hand. if a person is good techie, even if he has no Tech degree why would he work for less salary?
2. Tell me how many non-IT people have you seen doing some software stuff?
3. IT is not only coding in some language, but it encompasses broader perspectives, like performance considerations, memory management, accuracy, security, processes and many more. Tell me, would you use a bank's payment gateway after knowing that some non-techie, sub-statndard programmer has worked on this?
4. From where a non-techie will bring the understanding of systems, algorithms, databases, networks, testing stategies, memory management strategies etc, which is learnt by a IT professional in his/her 4 or more yrs of study?
There are many more point to consider. This news is not a good news at all. The whole world these days is worried about the software quality, and these sub-standard, poorly skilled people will totally mess it up!
1. Cost cutting and quality don't go hand in hand. if a person is good techie, even if he has no Tech degree why would he work for less salary?
2. Tell me how many non-IT people have you seen doing some software stuff?
3. IT is not only coding in some language, but it encompasses broader perspectives, like performance considerations, memory management, accuracy, security, processes and many more. Tell me, would you use a bank's payment gateway after knowing that some non-techie, sub-statndard programmer has worked on this?
4. From where a non-techie will bring the understanding of systems, algorithms, databases, networks, testing stategies, memory management strategies etc, which is learnt by a IT professional in his/her 4 or more yrs of study?
There are many more point to consider. This news is not a good news at all. The whole world these days is worried about the software quality, and these sub-standard, poorly skilled people will totally mess it up!
Amit Replied to: Debasish
- 19 Mar, 2010
154:
Indian software services company want more profit for themselves that is why they do NOT want to pay what a person really deserves and all this is done under the pretext of cost cutting...if u need to carry stones from a quary u need a donkey and not a horse. And in a derby u need a horse and not a donkey. You have to pay what is fair. A person with n number of years experience will be expensive. But, that does not mean companies need to underpay the talented just because they are using the pretext of cost cutting or recession..India faces slow down and US faces recession..we need to understand the difference...
david Replied to: Lakshmi
- 19 Mar, 2010
155:
Jogendra...If Engineering is just a graduation then the Bsc/Bcom/BA are assumed as Normal graduates and the guys who have done BE/Btech are considered as Engineering Graduates.There is a huge difference in the standards of the knowledge they have acquired in long 4 years which is not even compared to NIIT/GNIIT or what normal graduates have learned.This is the reality and everybody should accept this as a FACTO!!
It's only the IT companies who are creating a substandard by hiring the non tech people for tech position just because they will give them a few months training and they are ready to work like labours on lower wages but its not going to match the standard of a guy who studied it for 4 years.
Its definitely going to create a problem in the long run.
It's not only about writing Code but its also about innovation, creativity, pressure management & yes Technical Terms which will surely come as Jargon or complex terms for non-tech.
A Four Years Base is Strong
OR
A Four Month Base is Strong...
n everybody knows the answer...
It's only the IT companies who are creating a substandard by hiring the non tech people for tech position just because they will give them a few months training and they are ready to work like labours on lower wages but its not going to match the standard of a guy who studied it for 4 years.
Its definitely going to create a problem in the long run.
It's not only about writing Code but its also about innovation, creativity, pressure management & yes Technical Terms which will surely come as Jargon or complex terms for non-tech.
A Four Years Base is Strong
OR
A Four Month Base is Strong...
n everybody knows the answer...
Devesh Nandan Srivastava Replied to: david
- 19 Mar, 2010
156:
A compounder of a doctor learns a lot about medicines by giving it to patients as recommended by the doctor but when it comes to diagnosing the disease and it future affects the doctor knows bes what treatment to give to the patient taking in view its side effects and implications on the patienst health.Similarly given a problem in IT a techie will have the analytical skill and vision to solve the problem in such a way so it is solved and doesn't cause future problems and not just to satisfy the need of problem solving only for the present.
jojo74 Replied to: david
- 19 Mar, 2010
157:
in the real world work should go on because it is business requirement and it does not matter whether done by engineer or non tech.we all know the standard of engineering gradutes.everyone will do the same thing once they will be at that position .at last only money and profit matters not degree.engineering degree is just a gradutaion degree and nothing else...
jogendra Replied to: david
- 19 Mar, 2010
158:
Hello Johny Johny, everyone could do the cut and paste work..,
Their business strategy is correct..,
As you are aware of discussion related to indian education, couple of days back on the same forum, no body (atleast 90%)of fresh graduate can't handle the work independently in any firm (say either IT/Electronics/Electrical). The company should provide them training of what the employee needs to do, that what you call as probationary period. All indians(humans)can learn well, if they were taught properly of what to do on the black box.
Think of chinese, They involve non doctorate students who do not know, how to do a 'proper' research, to involve in research that too, on human genome analysis, just by teaching what they should do.They just need a basic understanding.
Well, i dont find any wrong with their attitude...,
Best regards,
MK
Dont involve ECI as i am sure no body is going to listen your comments.
Their business strategy is correct..,
As you are aware of discussion related to indian education, couple of days back on the same forum, no body (atleast 90%)of fresh graduate can't handle the work independently in any firm (say either IT/Electronics/Electrical). The company should provide them training of what the employee needs to do, that what you call as probationary period. All indians(humans)can learn well, if they were taught properly of what to do on the black box.
Think of chinese, They involve non doctorate students who do not know, how to do a 'proper' research, to involve in research that too, on human genome analysis, just by teaching what they should do.They just need a basic understanding.
Well, i dont find any wrong with their attitude...,
Best regards,
MK
Dont involve ECI as i am sure no body is going to listen your comments.
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- 19 Mar, 2010
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