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IT faces shortage of computer science engineers
Bangalore: The IT sector has been hiring engineers from other engineering disciplines due to lack of computer science engineers in the country and this is probably one of the main hindrances to the growth of the Indian economy. NR Narayana Murthy feels the the growth of the IT sector is getting limited because of this.

Infosys hired 20,000 to 22,000 people from non-computer science backgrounds last year. "Today, by and large, majority of the engineering graduates that we take come from non-computer science backgrounds. We have electrical engineers, mechanical engineers and civil engineers. Given that this country is on high economic growth path, we have come to a stage where we should take only computer science people and we don't take away engineers who can build factories, dams and power plants," said Murthy at the tenth Annual Convocation International Institute of Information Technology, Bangalore (IIIT-B).

Murthy feels that there is a need to chalk out a plan to facilitate opportunities for state governments, the Central government and other inter state institutes to start more institutes which would focus on technical education.

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An Engineering graduate who aspires to get a job in the job market will always look for highest pay plus some branded Companys .Only IT industry attracts them .They hire all good Non Computer science engineers because they look only for Aptitude not thinking that they will "fit the purpose" .
This might not-be true in all the cases but this will surely affect the other General Engineering Industry thereby there leading to severe shortfall of engineers in the Value Chain .

Graduating Engineers passing out from the Engg/Technology Institutions need to know that 'IT Jobs' are not end in itself and that Information Technology is only a enabler which is predominantly used in every Industry.

Students should get some kind of free counselling during their campus selections by holding some kind of Brainstorming sessions where in they can tap right kind of talent and make sure that talent hunt is in line with the Industry requirements.
And also this is where the GOVT & Industry Leaders can play a pivotal role in helping the Aspirant/s and also the Industry.

Needless to say that Industry cannot run merely on HEADCOUNT basis as this will create shortage of manpower in other Industry which is detrimental to Nations Infrastructure Industry, which forms the basis for driving the Economy .
There is serious need to understand needs of the other process Industries which not only uses IT but also gives/manufactures food , Clothing, Housing,Health & Infrastructure to every other industry.


Every Company by their HR practices want to attract with ESPOS ,and other benefits which will help them to have Strenth. But in the long run lacks the vision for nation .
May be this is a predicament which needs to b looked at , as these circumstances may have been created inadvertently, but there is a need to look at this problem with lot of holisim !Solve it holistically.
Engineering Colleges churn out thousands of students but they dont supply to the right areas. On the flip-side job markets are also getting unstable because of bad recruits which also creates havoc in the capital markets .

Drivers for the economy should not be overlooked .!
Posted by:Anil Mydur - 30 Jul, 2010
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work home now scam Replied to: Anil - 01 Dec, 2010
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Dear Reader, It seems that you or Murthy are living in some isolated island. Come and see in this country, there are plenty of colles, where companies have not recruited even 20% of computer science graduates. There still CS graduates available even from 2008 batch. so who says that, there are not enough CS graduates. Yes definitely, there may not be enough quality CS graduates. Due to this reason, Infy kind of companies will hire people based on aptitude. CS discipline require mostly the aptitude as the basic qualification. Most engineering graduates could do MTech CS, with Mech/civil/electrical etc in graduation. why? again because it is not too much fondation sensitive. I being in senior management position has seen plain BSc people have very great skills in IT/ The same is not true about other branches like civil/mech, because those branches are very very old(more than 600 yrs, and there is lots of fondational material.
Aryan Replied to: Anil Mydur - 25 Aug, 2010
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And regarding mech/civil/electrical graduates. Who says industry is facing problems due to lack of these engineers. Since the recession last time, there are plenty of these engineers just waiting to start, even for no salary, just to get experience. It is the idustry, which is making them suffer for not giving vacancies, and the not other way round.
Aryan Replied to: Aryan - 25 Aug, 2010
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work home now scam Replied to: Aryan - 01 Dec, 2010
39: What Sri.Murthy said is apt and hardcore truth...
I feel, When a mech. or electrical engineer is made to design s/w, at first he will check the material of the peripherals or make sure that the connections given are good.
he may be trained by the the company, but doesn't know much softwaring as a comp. graduate... hahaha...

IT 'LL BE A SITUATION JUST LIKE A MAN WHO WITNESSED A FILM-SHOOTING DIRECTS THE NEXT...
The IT n ITES companies should see that comp. graduates are hired to the maximum...
YET ANOTHER GREAT PROBLEM IS THAT A COMPUTER GRADUATE CANNOT EARN HIS BREAD SOME OTHER WAY, WHILE OTHER ENGINEERS KNOW SOME OTHER WORK TOO...
Posted by:PRAVEEN KRISHNAN V - 29 Jul, 2010
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work home now scam Replied to: PRAVEEN - 01 Dec, 2010
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Hello Mr. Praveen , I suppose you are a computer graduate. Nobody likes a Nokia 1100 or 1200 nowadays since it serves only one purpose just like CS students. Softwares are for supporting hardware and electricals and electronics. If you get a person who can understand the function then there is no need for hiring three or four people to work on the same job just to write codes, process flow, basic functional analysis and output testing.
So don't be under the impression that Nokia 1100 are the best , but they are outdated.
Anil Replied to: PRAVEEN KRISHNAN V - 25 Aug, 2010
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43: It is very absard saying that non domin people will give best result inspite of domin people. I am from logistcs back ground. My company have recruited a B.E. mechanical instead of MBA in logistics. Becasuse BE gayus have more tallent with high sore in x and XII. But he have no primary knowledge of Logistics. as a result our advance licence have blaclisted by DGFT. if our company had recruited any logistics domin person do not face this type of problem. so Murthy sahab pls change your attitude.pls hire employee form relevnt Zone. If you have a primary school I have nothing to say.
Posted by:SUNEEP KUMAR GHATAK - 19 Jul, 2010
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work home now scam Replied to: SUNEEP - 01 Dec, 2010
45: I m with preethi & maninder. Its actully a problem that is because of the hurdles of percentage in the basic level educations, lot of graduates are not able even to attend the company rounds even they might be very good in specialization. Take the other trade students and then giving them training can never replace a regular CSE graduate.

rather going only to premium colleges they should also open some options to other colleges so that they can also get the chance to get a equal fight with other students because getting premium institution can never be taken as consideration coz everybody knows todays counselling process which totally influenced with the government reservation policies.

Still there are lot of CSE graduates from last two years who are waiting for the job interview calls who were hit in recession. So just telling that Lack of CSE professionals is not true.
Posted by:Yamraj - 19 Jul, 2010
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work home now scam Replied to: Yamraj - 01 Dec, 2010
47: i m with preethi he/she write, the it sector are not recruiting the cs or it engineering students there are no. of computer science student who waiting or searching for jod.. but there is no vacancies for them the recruitment is nill
Posted by:Maninder Singh - 18 Jul, 2010
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49: Is this a Gimick to recruit Foreigners/Non-Engineering Students at Cheaper salary?
Posted by:lucky - 18 Jul, 2010
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work home now scam Replied to: lucky - 01 Dec, 2010
51: Mr.Murthy is wrong since there are lakhs of people of CSE without jobs and waiting for an oppurtunity.If they feel the students of other disciplines are more then why should they recruit them and leave the CSE people!Also making the chance for the students less to attend the company for six and nine months of time which will be a waste of time and having unfare selections.

If they feel there is shortage of CSE students, then it would be wrong statement and should try to give chances for the CSE people rather than to the others.
Posted by:Preethi - 17 Jul, 2010
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work home now scam Replied to: Preethi - 01 Dec, 2010
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hi guys am computer science 2008 pass out...Wat i think Mr. Murthy is trying to say is there is lack of talanted Computer Science students.As i have seen many of my friends having aggregate of above 70% but dont know c language correctly.
Vivek Replied to: Preethi - 18 Jul, 2010
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work home now scam Replied to: shirish - 01 Dec, 2010
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Most mushrooming private colleges are giving degrees to the people, who are not have aptitude to do even BSc. They are just money making businesses, giving degrees for money. The standard of engineering is gone down like aything.
Aryan Replied to: shirish - 25 Aug, 2010
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Posted by:sahil - 17 Jul, 2010
64:
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work home now scam Replied to: sahil - 01 Dec, 2010
65: hi,
I am a MCA 2010 batch and was finalist (top 6 teams) of infosys aspirations 2020 (a programming contest by infosys) in the year 2009. but still i was not allowed to sit for the infy campuss interview due to my low score in grad...
if academics is major criteria thn wat was the purpose of such contests?

hw cn u say that IT is facing lack of computer science engineers if u don't look at the student at masters....
Posted by:Shuv - 17 Jul, 2010
66:
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work home now scam Replied to: Shuv - 01 Dec, 2010
67: Really just thought that he is saying correct,If it is correct then why his company is hiring the students of those groups rather than hiring only computer science engineering graduates, they are so many people who are without jobs and completed their graduation in CSE,,,
Posted by:Nani - 17 Jul, 2010
68:
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work home now scam Replied to: Nani - 01 Dec, 2010
69: TO all
If the person who interested in IT why don't you join Computer Science only,Why they will join EEE,ECE and EIE etc
then simply join in IT,is they don't know what they want to become,am simply who working in IT those not from IT related education they don't have proper answer why they joined,mostly people answer they are getting good package,is this not shame to say.......!!!
Posted by:suraj kumar keerthi - 17 Jul, 2010
70:
By birth, you did not know that you will become IT professional right? It's not everyone get into CSE. Also ECE is 100% better than CSE junks. Doing cut and paste job is not that much great. But ofcourse everyone needs money. Also people from other descipline perform well than so called CSE junkies in IT
observer Replied to: suraj kumar keerthi - 18 Jul, 2010
71: I guess day by day this will increase, coz nowadays colleges are not teaching computer science..they are just cocentrating on "computer programming language".

How many so called "computer science Engineering" grads in college and passed out of college knows the internal of Operating system and do they know how to write a Kernel in the Operating System or any internal working of similar stuff?


Slowly Computer Science Engineering students becomes Computer Application students..where they get proficiency in some programming language and term them as CSE Grads.
Posted by:maheshexp - 14 Jul, 2010
72:
yah u r right............i dont wanna mention even in most of the recognized institutes like IITs/NITs tghe professor even though have done MTech from IITS rr etc etc they dont kniow how to teach they just join in good institutes to get gud salary packages and to njoy less workload life and dont have really a keen intrest of as how they should need to give us gud fundas about programming language.......
sahil Replied to: maheshexp - 17 Jul, 2010
73:
Root-cause is that the current-salary of IT/CS staff of college is very less compared to that of a good software-engineer. Hence, the talented IT/CS ppl go to industry instead of becoming staff(in teaching/research @ college).

SOLUTION:If the industry & university have a strong linkage where the college staff's are sponsored by industry for taking active part in industrial projects, then talented engineers would be attracted to become college staff role. This eventually would increase the teaching quality.
kumar Replied to: maheshexp - 17 Jul, 2010
74: Mr. Murthy is totally wrong not only Murthy but the all executives who fill that there are lack of computer engineers. These people want high academic high score person but they forget those person have sound knowledge of computer may be they have less score. Due to high score they are giving chance those person/student who don't know how to write simple program in 'C'. There are thousands of students from MCA, MSC , MCS and Computer engineer who are lacking of computer jobs.
Posted by:Shivendra - 14 Jul, 2010
75:
By the way... In my view, what Mr. Murthy want to say is absolutely correct....'As our country is on a growth path the Mechanical , Civil,etc Engg. are required for development of Industries,dams,etc and recruiting them for software line is reducing that much engg. from respective discipline as they r good and can do great in their own field also...
Arun Sahu Replied to: Shivendra - 21 Jul, 2010
76:
IT needs ppl who can learn the new technologies fast irrespective of their graduation subject/stream. Hence IT companies including INFY recruits graduates with excellent academic performance and does not restrict to CS/IT graduates.

In other words, a high performance non-CS engineer is better than an average performance CS engineer(from IT companies perspective).
kumar Replied to: Shivendra - 17 Jul, 2010
77:
Exactly this is the case in many of colleges mow a days. They take the one who may have 85% in other stream and do forget the one having 65 to 75% in the field of computer science.
Sudipan Ghosh Replied to: Shivendra - 15 Jul, 2010
78:
Making complaint is not a solution. If Mr Murthy feels shortage of computer science engineers, then he is right. But it can be fullfilled with MCA, MSC in IT Or MCS (trained only for IT fields) who can fullfil the shortage. So he should have a view on it.
Rajib Replied to: Shivendra - 14 Jul, 2010
79: Mr Murthy is actually posing infy's problem as a common problem. He himself has a very conservative hiring policy. He takes people only with good academic background. He never restricted his policy to recruit CSE candidates only. In india I believe, we have a huge population and because of the new engg colleges coming up everyday, we have lot of engineers graduating every year. Mr murthy talks as if we were living in an island where we have limited population and limited graduates. I think Mr Murthy is in some kind of illusion, or he is probably upset about his company's failure which he is attributing to hiring of non CSE candidates. It is wrong to think that if we hire non CSE candidates into IT, then India can not build factories, dams, roads and bridges etc. If we compare manpower of IT companies to that of public sector companies, IT will fall behind by a lot. Mr Murthy, please dont worry about India. India is still capable enough to take care of itself. Please worry about your company. And please dont comment on something that you yourself dont implement
Posted by:Manish - 13 Jul, 2010
80: I disagree this,
There are thousands of computer science engineering, M.C.A. and M.Sc. students searching jobs with technical skills. But the big multi-national companies like infosys, tcs, wipro are hiring other than IT peoples in campus interviews.
Job searching peoples who completed their graduations in 2008, 2009, 2010 doesn’t have knowledge, which is absolutely wrong.
Posted by:Arjun - 13 Jul, 2010
81: Our office servers always be down & even normal functioning always be in trouble, but I could not understand the reasons. Thanks to Ld. Murthy who told facts to Media & now I can understand the reasons for poor functioning of servers of our offices.
Posted by:mayihelpyouonline dot com - 13 Jul, 2010
82:
I totally agree with you... I am CSE graduate. There are lot more of CSE who have knowledge but not getting job coz of.. there marks between 60% to 65%..
Pravin Yadav Replied to: mayihelpyouonline dot com - 17 Jul, 2010
83:
Partial knowledge might be dangerous compared to no knowledge.
kumar Replied to: Pravin Yadav - 17 Jul, 2010
84:
Nice piece of evidence
Abhishek Bharadwaj Replied to: mayihelpyouonline dot com - 13 Jul, 2010
85: [:O]

lack of computer science students?

IT has become so cheap that any one is joining it.
Whether u r engg student or any background student u can get a IT job.

IT just seeking for low cost Labours and they are getting it by selecting non computer background students.

when other industries get boom there will be again


noo u r guessin wrong.



there will be no demand for computer students.
there will be chance for those who dnt even hav degree.
beware watchman of ur home too can be ur colleague next day.
i m not discriminating Watchman guys i m just saying IT will be more and more open to all.
Posted by:Srikanth - 13 Jul, 2010
86: The comment of Mr. Narayan Murthy is totally wrong. This time the Infosys didn't came to the many colleges of Gujarat, especially in Dharmsinh Desai University, where there were many talented students who can make another Infosys. You can not find the things until you search for those. Infosys hired students from Nirma University, but didn't came to Dharmsinh Desai University where this time was a really great batch of Computer Science Engineers. So I am disagree with Mr. Narayan Murthy.
Posted by:Darshan Prajapati - 13 Jul, 2010
87: This statement by Mr. NarayanMurthy is not correct.
He must come to M.P.'s Engineering colleges to hire Computer Science Engineers. I bet, he will get more computer science engineers than his company currently hires.
Anyways, thanks to Mr. NarayanMurthy that he at least took a look at our country's engineers...
Posted by:CSE Grad - 13 Jul, 2010
88:
In Andhra 650 Engineering Colleges exist. In Every College while other disciplines have 60 seats,Computer Science Enginnering and Electronics and Communication Engineering Branch 120 seats each. About 5 years back IT used to have 120 seats.
Dr.A.Jagadeesh Replied to: CSE Grad - 13 Jul, 2010
89: I agree with Amit.
As far as it is concerned about the no. of Computer Science and Engineering graduates, they are being generated a lot these days. Take an example of the M.P. State technical university (Rajiv Gandhi Proudhyogiki Vishvidhyalaya, Bhopal, M.P.), it is producing a lot of computer science engineers every year.
So if any one says that there is a lack of Computer Science Engineer Grads, i don't agree with him totally.
though, Quality is a matter of fact...
Posted by:CSE Grad - 13 Jul, 2010
90: The fault lies with IT Companies themselves Mr.Narayana Murthy.The IT Companies come with a Target to Engineering Colleges. They cut off those scoring more and those scoring less. In between they select the number they want. In the process non-computer branch graduates get selected. Those with Mechanical,Civil and Electrical branch instead of waiting to get good Core subject jobs presfer to join IT Companies whether they like it or not. This is the crux of the problem. By far the maximum number of seats avaible in Engineering are in Computer Science and IT. As such to get quality Computer Graduates is not difficult for IT Companies.

Dr.A.Jagadeesh Nellore(AP),India
Posted by:Dr.A.Jagadeesh - 13 Jul, 2010
91: Mr Murthy is right and what he is saying must be taken seriously by the govt.
10 - 15 years back the scenario was different. There was a severe lack of IT grads (CSE / MCA / MSc Comp) in the country and IT was on boom. Companies had the projects in hand and they had to deliver, so they hired non-IT grads in the desperation.
Also, it was good for the then non-IT grads because they were in large Numbers and job opportunities were less so they got jobs in IT.
Now the scenario is different. Country is producing large number of IT grads. I will not comment on quality because that can be improved. Also, there has been a rise in job opportunities in other engineering sectors with reality / infra, automobile, power sector booms. So we are at a higher level of balance than we had 10-15 years back. If we keep hiring non-IT grads, we will deprive the country with good quality Civil / Mechanical / Electrical / Mining like core sector engineers.
We need best quality in those sectors too. So, now IT companies can plan out to hire more IT grads than non-IT grads.
Posted by:Amit - 12 Jul, 2010
92:
for ur kind info d quality it matters now days also.........in most of the emerging colleges quality should matter but unfortunately dy focus on quantity...........
so sad as a result non it grads have good n a sound quality to occupy the vaccant spaces..............
thnxxx.........
priya Replied to: Amit - 17 Jul, 2010
93:
Right, quality of IT grads is the most important, but what I am saying is "It can be improved by raising the bar in entrance tests, teaching quality, examination standards, research facilities and by motivating students towards innovations.
Amit Replied to: priya - 18 Jul, 2010
94: Hi all,
this situation has arrived due to wrong recruitment policy of Big MNC like infy, their policy tells that
1.if u hav done well in BE/MCA/BTech and not done so in Xth and XIIth then u can not be a good computer engineer.
2.During Infy Recruitment process u must not hav technical knowledge(becoz in interview and written round they never ask any technical question, they check only communication skill and nothing else).
3. they hire people based on their personality only..
so how can mr. murthy can get the best computer engineers on the basis of these policy...
Posted by:chandan - 12 Jul, 2010
95:
In addition to excellent technical skills, industry expects excellent communication skill & personality. For executing projects successfully, both are compulsory (from employers perspective).
kumar Replied to: chandan - 17 Jul, 2010
96:
Yes, I am totally agree with you chandan. And I have 1 more point to add in their recruitment policy is that they don't check out other colleges which are recently opened. They moves towards only those colleges which have their reputed name. Atleast, they have to visit other colleges,, their also they found some telenet student.

And I also not understand what is the sense to placed a criteria for Xth and XIIth.
Ritika Replied to: chandan - 15 Jul, 2010
97:
u r 100% rt dude,,,
sharath Replied to: chandan - 13 Jul, 2010
98: Hi,
I don't agree with this kind of statement by Mr.Murthy. Because during campus recruitment, Infosys doesn't do much screening to hire the candidates. So naturally it gets much incapable candidates from all branches. If they can offer only CS/IS candidates and do a comfortable Screening, they can get much Talented,Capable candidates.

Regards,
MEngineer
Posted by:MEngineer - 12 Jul, 2010
99:
Hi Murthy Sahab !

I am Rajesh Kumar ! I will never prefer Infosys to join becoz I can never get in Infosys @ fresher Level because I have secured only 51% and 57% in High school , and Intermediate from UP BOARD but in Graduation I secured 73% and in PG (MCA , JNU , GOLD MEDALIST) I secured 89% and I have got a very very good offer from MNCs for better than Infosys. and working with Infys 4-5 Years exp Engineers and doing great amongst them.....................

CHANGE YOUR THOUGHT AND ALLOW THE PEOPLE FROM POOR BACKGROUNDS , ALLOW THEM TO SEAT in Your SCREENING at least , If they have guts they will crack and prove themselves like me ............

I am getting 9 Lacs p.a. now and having just a single year experience.... Which I never have thought of with Infy .......


APNI SONCH BADLO MURTHY BETA! TO TUMHE ENGINEERS MILENGE COMPUTER BACKGROUND SE !
RAJESH replied to: K.S.Dharan
RAJESH Replied to: MEngineer - 12 Jul, 2010
100:
yo..............sahi d s d passion that every 1n should keep in them...............
pia Replied to: RAJESH - 17 Jul, 2010
101:
rightly said even we were allowed to sit.
they want 10th n 12th passed candidates with good % even they havnt studeis computer in 10 or 12 or any how..but not a computer geek ...
Ravdeep Replied to: RAJESH - 15 Jul, 2010
102:
i agree wid u rajesh,,may b due to some problems one wud hav not done well in their intermediate but datz not the final result...and ur a good example of it by scoring high in ur grad n pg...
Abhi Replied to: RAJESH - 13 Jul, 2010
103:
sahi hai dost i m also thinking like that
pharmacist Replied to: RAJESH - 12 Jul, 2010
104: "Lack of computer science engineers big challenge for IT"
A big joke by Murthy.
It is said that the IT sector has been hiring engineers from other engineering disciplines due to lack of computer science engineers in the country and this is probably one of the main hindrances to the growth of the Indian economy.
But i would like to say that if you think like this then why have you put some criteria of marks obtained in 10-12 standard.If you believe in engineer from CS/IT background then set a criteria CS/IT as stream allowed for these companies.
I am also from CS background.I have first division in 10th,But second division in 12th.I have secured 8.7 GPA in B.Tech in CSE. But i have not eligible for not only infosys but also for other big MNC. Only second division in 12th standard does show my lack of skill for these company.
So i would like to say that if you think about CS engineers then revise your criteria and allow maximum CS student for your company. Then others will follow you.If you can't do this then please don't say a joke like this.
Posted by:Shashi Kapoor - 12 Jul, 2010
105:
Hi Murthy Sahab !

I am Rajesh Kumar ! I will never prefer Infosys to join becoz I can never get in Infosys @ fresher Level because I have secured only 51% and 57% in High school , and Intermediate from UP BOARD but in Graduation I secured 73% and in PG (MCA , JNU , GOLD MEDALIST) I secured 89% and I have got a very very good offer from MNCs for better than Infosys. and working with Infys 4-5 Years exp Engineers and doing great amongst them.....................

CHANGE YOUR THOUGHT AND ALLOW THE PEOPLE FROM POOR BACKGROUNDS , ALLOW THEM TO SEAT in Your SCREENING at least , If they have guts they will crack and prove themselves like me ............

I am getting 9 Lacs p.a. now and having just a single year experience.... Which I never have thought of with Infy .......


APNI SONCH BADLO MURTHY BETA! TO TUMHE ENGINEERS MILENGE COMPUTER BACKGROUND SE !
RAJESH Replied to: Shashi Kapoor - 12 Jul, 2010
106: Mr. Murthy Says that only cs Based engineers should work in IT Companies k we can approve his idea. Think of other Sectors in India there is no employment in any other field. I am an Engineer From Non CS Background, my friends who were placed in IT companies while Campus Recruitment are working and others are still in search of jobs. People go for places where there is employment not to HELL.
Posted by:Ramesh - 12 Jul, 2010
107:
Think of other Sectors in India there is no employment in any other field

http://lektor.co.il
megallodon Replied to: Ramesh - 12 Jul, 2010
108:
There are many cs/it engg.s who are not getting job till now after 5 to 7 years.bcoz they have some financial problem or family problem.
Just do 1 thing develope a website and tell to register there who are it/cs engg.s but still not got any job.. and just see howmany r there.my friends who r passed out 2005 batch in cs/it but still they r not got any job.companies are asking min 3+ exp. and if fresher then 2009/10 batch..what about them who are 2003-2005 passed out but still not got job bcoz of some family problem.
selina mohanty Replied to: Ramesh - 12 Jul, 2010
109: there are so many students who are fullfilling the criteria but still not getting placed only due to reason that they didn,t cleared the apti test.........does that tells the fact that who cleared the apti test by any means are eligible for recruitment and the rest of students with gud academic results are still waiting for their day.........
can any thing can be done regarding this.......
Posted by:Ravi - 12 Jul, 2010
110:
yep i agree with u aptitude is a big burden although there are guys who r technically intelligent and back at aptitude . those are really getting affected
ramakrishna Replied to: Ravi - 12 Jul, 2010
111:
yes i too agree with ravi and ramakrishna , well said frnds.those who r technically strong enough but back in aptitude r really suffering a lot. i just want to say that not only aptitude, but also technical tests should be conducted and given more weigthage while the company is hiring the students.
ataulla Replied to: ramakrishna - 13 Jul, 2010
112:
yah i agree if not apti then atleast the technikals.. should be done n allowed ..........
sahil Replied to: ataulla - 17 Jul, 2010
113: the most important behind that . top companies put a critaria that if a student has not 60% marks in H.S.C. & S.S.C. then he can not come in those companies.
I want to ask to Mr. Murty that if marks are less in earlier acadmics & the student have good percentage in engineering then how can they predict that the student is not able to work in that company.

company should choose knowledgeable person, who can better serve company instead of person having good academic record.

I have also faced this sisuation , I am computer science engineer but not got placed in campus placement just because of having less marks in 10th standard.
Posted by:Anupam Kumar Srivastava - 12 Jul, 2010
114: from my family it self contains three computer science post graduates..
where is the scarcity of engineers. only thing is incompetence engineers ...all are unemployees
Posted by:kreddy - 12 Jul, 2010
115: At last somebody (Mr. Narayan Murthy) has understood the problem and was honest enought to communicate the same. Thank you Mr. Murthy. In coming days, we will see more comuter scinece engineers in IT industry.
Posted by:sanjoy - 12 Jul, 2010
116: If he wants to see more computer engineers, then he should recruit computer engineers and include a pattern which emphasize on technical skills gained in that field.

If I go around looking for donkeys, how will I get horses.
First they have put up a recruiting policy in which technicians are always left aside, then how will they get technicians.
So silly comments of person of his stature

From my college infy recruited around 80 students out of 20 were from cs. It is not that others from computer science branch were not capable.
Secondly, I dont think IT needs engineers, it needs labourers which can be trained and put to use. Information Technology is a field which does not need people who can innovate. Engineers who want to go into research should choose core sectors over IT.
IT is a service provided by indians at cheap rate to the western world.There is no computer science in it
Posted by:gaurav - 12 Jul, 2010
117:
Bravo....bravo.....u had the gut to say this.

really true....IT does not need comp sc grads. motorola, intel, Sun, IBM , CISCO, bell labs, c-dac ....yes they need comp sc grads. I really could not understand how a man of Murthy's stature could say this. Is there any reporting error?
A chakraborty Replied to: gaurav - 12 Jul, 2010
118:
Yep I too agree with u because i am a s/w developer , and comp sc grads are not much being used in IT
ramakrishna Replied to: A chakraborty - 12 Jul, 2010
119: the problem is not that " The comp Sci engineers are lesser in number " ...but the main problem that Mr. Murty should understand is that " The package offered to engineers is less".. so a good comp sci engineer prefer to go to a better company in terms of package rather to join Infy....I bet if Infy increases the package to 5+ lacs to Engineering graduate..then their will be more of comp sci engineers then the other branches....
Posted by:Himanshu Saxena - 12 Jul, 2010
120:
It is this attitude towards making money that our country is moving backwards. I am glad that Mr. Murthy realised this now atleast. Why cant we look at other countries and learn a lesson? We all love travelling abroad and more than that love to criticize our country, why cant we work towards reviving other sectors?
anonymous Replied to: Himanshu Saxena - 12 Jul, 2010
121: No Wonder every other company says so and so does he. I have a great respect for him, but at times I wonder how Infy has evolved over time, since he left... or rather just say left for good :)

As others have commented... Infy is not paying good, and they way they play around with good technical minds.. its very selfish of Infy. People are not grown into technical minds but a big team of donkeys who follow what their masters say them to do.. Tehnical capabilities are the last sought (once you are in job) while they are the shown as without them you cant do anything i there... I wonder why do they actually need them....
Posted by:Angel - 12 Jul, 2010
122: I think there are two things here.
1: Its not that there is shortage of computer science engineers in India. There is a shortage of good computer engineers. Thats what made Mr. Murthy to make the statement I think. Instead of waiting for government to do something about it, I think Infosys and such IT giants should recruit software engineers good / bad, and train them. The last thing we want is a sudden surge of comp science engineers, which is already at saturation.

2: I totally agree with him that software companies need to stop / reduce recruiting people of other disciplines. Because of sudden boom in the IT field, people have started to neglect / ignore other fields. That will always hurt a country in the long run. So the big question is - How do we make other fields lucrative? Again, the answer lies in the collective. The governments should allow for more privatization of other industries. Currently there is a very tight hold by government on non-IT sectors. Its not a responsibility that solely lies with the govs. Privatization of IT started with companies like Infy, TCS, Wipro. I guess we need such entreprenuers in other sectors who can make a start in other sectors. Public - Private partnerships on other sectors / industries is the only way to acheive this. Its needs to be public - because its ensures regulation. it needs to be private - because it ensures growth, agressive growth(read better salaries) and promotes competition. We are called a socialist nation, may be its time to embrace it fully.
Posted by:Sri - 12 Jul, 2010
123: Truth is different,
Most Computer Science Engineers are not joining Infy(there are several reasons, among them is package is low, most of the guys who selected to Infy always get other 2 to 3 offer).

So no way of joining Infy.
Posted by:Ramaswamy - 12 Jul, 2010
124: The kind of hiring system infy is using is completely senseless.I even know a person who has completed his B.Tech in biotechnology and has been hired by infy. Its ridiculous. But again it is senseless to say that we dont have C.S graduates in country. Please open your eyes Mr. Murthy. It would be good for thousands of unemployed.
Posted by:SJa - 12 Jul, 2010
125: Last year infosys hired 120 students from lucknow out of 120, 87 students was from other stream like elec,mech.even many IT students was there who was jobless so how mr.murthy can say that lack of computer science engineer in our country. in other hand any core company like L&T never hires any computer science students for their electrical jobs...
Posted by:parihar - 12 Jul, 2010
126: Murthy sir have to remember one thing that he is also a non computer engineer being in electrical stream he maintained his company in the top list how think . job should be provided on basis of knowledge and attitude but not the stream in which the student is ... even so many software companies mds are from non cse group
Posted by:pratap reddy - 12 Jul, 2010
127: SO infy now wants only Computer Science Guys, Why in gods name did they first start recruiting only engineers from all the braches?I ts become a de facto to only recruit BE graduates, what about people from BSC Computer Science. So Infy first says recruit only engineers, Now wants only only CS guys. WEll its true that Engineering Degree is good in papers . SO why just say only CS guys, IF both CS guys & civil guys are able to perform same tasks in IT, shouldnt that be enough, Yes unless its embedded or VLSI then only Electronics guys would be in need. But other wise frankly asking for only CS or Engg in IT seems of quite absurd.
Posted by:Jay - 12 Jul, 2010
128: Crazy...what infosys wants is just Engineering Degree on paper...they don't see how skilled a person is in the domain he is working..Murty should understand that degree has no connection with knowledge..
Posted by:Rohit Prasade - 12 Jul, 2010
129: I think Mr. Murthy has gone out of his senses. He should come out of his moribund infy life and see the actual situation. This is a pity that he doesnt know that if we throw a stone in a crowded place, it will surely hit an engineer and that too a computer science one.
Posted by:SJa - 12 Jul, 2010
130:
I agree with you.Today first option that any student looks for is computer science.Everybody want to know about programming and operating systems.
Rakesh Replied to: SJa - 12 Jul, 2010
131:
Mr. Murthy was among the one in the list of my idols before his senseless statement.
SJa Replied to: Rakesh - 12 Jul, 2010
132:
But you'll have to agree that the statement he made was partially incorrect.Our country is lacking "QUALITY" education.I mean even in IITs n NITs also most of the teachers are appointed just because it is mandatory.I myself study in an NIT and let me tell you the condition isn't good.
Rakesh Replied to: SJa - 17 Jul, 2010
133: There is no shortage of best brains in India either in IT or not IT everyone is best at their place but when it comes to growth and developement of country ALL WE DO IS WHAT WE CAN SEE HERE AS COMMENTS . INSTEAD OF UTILISING OUR VALUABLE TIME AND KNOWLEDGE FOR SOME PRODUCTIVE WORK we pay attention to BLAME GAME AND WORD WAR.....BE INDEPENDENT AND PROVE OTHERS WRONG BY DEEDS NOT BY WORDS..ACTUALLY PROVING YOURSELF RIGHT IS BETTER THAN PROVING OTHERS WRONG ---- CHOICE IS YOURS.--- HOPE U PEOPLE UNDERSTAND ME .....
Posted by:CTAL - 12 Jul, 2010
134:
very rightly said CTAL
Anindya Replied to: CTAL - 12 Jul, 2010
135:
INSTEAD OF UTILISING OUR VALUABLE TIME, WE COME OUT ANDFOLLOW THOSE INVOLVED IN THE BLAME GAME AND FINALLY PUT OUR ADVICES TO OTHERS.... :)

No Offense buddy.
I am just telling that only doing a productive work which we always do in our workplaces, never satisfies you.. Its always a productive discussion on the work which makes it more productive and fruitful.
So, we have been given a forum here to discuss... Lets discuss some productive which can enhance your thoughts towards an idea or say activity broadly enhance us as a whole.

If you have any kind of such productive thing which we can discuss and use it for our own benefits please proceed.......
Tapan Mahato Replied to: CTAL - 12 Jul, 2010
136:
i'm sure friend u completely neglected the last sentence "PROVING URSELF RIGHT ........."
CTAL Replied to: Tapan Mahato - 12 Jul, 2010
137: there are lot of It student in india that are jobless and CEO said that there is no computer/IT people left in india?
Posted by:jai - 12 Jul, 2010
138:
People working in S/w companies are not working on their own domain. they are just working without any technology n name. S/ Companies is not maintaining policy to retain there employees.. Employee satisfaction is negative. Only big n sweet buildings are available. Very stringent policies. And companies r lookin for graduates havin high percentage, where in they forget that people with less % marks are getting paid higher than the toppers. Really bad.. Now companies hiring the same low markin people.. Hopefully ppl to watch 3 Idiots n learn from it..
rathijoga Replied to: jai - 12 Jul, 2010
139: How the lack of computer science professionals a big be a challenge for IT, when people from other streams are getting an opportunity and performing well in IT. And as mentioned by an unknown friend, there is no lack of computer science graduates. If the IT cos open their eyes, they can find many a CS professionals roaming without a job. If the numbers has reduced now, the sole responsibility goes to the IT cos, who at the time of recession sacked many professionals from their job, some of them are still not getting any opportunity as no one is ready to consider their(sacked employees) ill-fate. These kind of activities by the great IT giants have horrified the people studying engineering. I agree, the preference for studying CS has reduced, its only because of the behavior that was shown by the IT cos during recession. Coz its unknown whether we can survive the next recession. So conclusively IT cos don't have any challenge because of the lack of CS graduates. They dont bother whether you are a CS or other. They can make you work as per their needs and throw you out when not needed.
Posted by:Tapan Mahato - 12 Jul, 2010
140: It not because of the lack of computer Science Engineers.Companies are demanding for other branches.They want a label as "Engineer".The tests and interview are administered only generally not for any specific branch.
Susamma
Posted by:susamma - 12 Jul, 2010
141: When Murthy talks of hiring just CS people, he leaves unsaid "of the required quality". Having a CS degree is no guarantee of that. That is why most IT companies hire "in bulk" and filter out during training.

Mr. Murthy is taking the long term view and saying that engineers of good quality are needed to build the country's infrastructure. Who is going to set up and maintain nuclear plants, if the best talent goes in to software?

I agree with him. But it is far more costly to train a competent civil engineer than a CS. And the rewards are no where near that in the IT sector.

Now that Murthy has become a VC looking at non-IT sectors, he sees the collateral damage caused by the IT boom.

In the early days of PCs in India, Shiv Nadar of HCL saw that to sell PCs people would have to learn how to use them, and program them. He had the foresight to set up NIIT.

I think the problem seen by Murthy is a business opportunity.
Posted by:AarEm - 12 Jul, 2010
142: They cant recruit computer engineer because they cant afford them....they will recruit even illeterate....for the sake of CHEAP LABOUR....from other streams....and blame the...computer engineer...silly CEOs
Posted by:jai - 12 Jul, 2010
143:
I think the statement given by you is correct but you must see the second side of coin where thousands of computer science engineers are sitting jobless and there chance is given to someone else who works for lower cost.
Pratik Namdev Replied to: jai - 12 Jul, 2010
144:
If a Computer Science Engineer is sitting idle without a job and Civil Enineer is working in his place, the CSE can understand his own quality. Its not what we work. Its How we qork. The Qlaity, Efficiency and Effectiveness matters.
Praveen Replied to: Pratik Namdev - 12 Jul, 2010
145: My. Murthy... If you can stop the partiality rule in company than you will be able to hire only Computer Science Engineers. Don't give such statements which do not fits.. Get the record of unemployment from Governments department. Have you ever visited other states like GUJARAT , RAJASTHAN , PUNJAB for hiring..If yes then how many Computer science engineers you have hired from there.Please don't give statement that literally stays wrong.
Posted by:Subh - 12 Jul, 2010
146: Murthy sir, in which word your living, are you talking about india.... There are lakhs of computer engineers which are searching for job. Plus the number of engineers coming from private institutes (NIIT, APTECH, CDAC and many other) are different. There are many degrees like BE, MCA, BCA, BCS, MCS, MCM which are computer related branches. There are private institutes like SEED infotech and which produces large number of computer engineers. Every second graduate in metro cities is a computer engineer (not any other engineer). Every dad wants his son/daughter to be computer engineer. Sooner there will almost crores of engineer in india. How many you want sir ?
Posted by:joy - 12 Jul, 2010
147: This is for Mr Murthy that why the infosys hiring people from other non it field.Still there are many computer science fresh student who looking for jobs.There are almost 5000 computer Sci student passout every year in only GUJARAT.And Infosys has not recruit even 100 student from Gujarat.So Come To Gujarat you Find Your Requirement is Fufilled
Posted by:Hiren Shah - 12 Jul, 2010
148:
They cant recruit computer engineer because they cant afford them....they will recruit even illeterate....for the sake of CHEAP LABOUR....from other streams....and blame the...computer engineer...silly CEOs
jai Replied to: Hiren Shah - 12 Jul, 2010
149: is murty mad? what does he need to argue do he realize when sombody is not getting job and striving to get any kindaa job ........... really he had lost his senses in order to run after technology to make money........see there are a level sort of companies...gud professional companies need their core students , a medium level company wil need some core and students from other streams.......if every body will start reading only technology then there will be no one to make computers and its other parts etc etc...
ha....lol....
Posted by:rudra - 12 Jul, 2010
150: Wat is Murthy Doing for Society. Ans is a big Zero.. He dont has any rights to make such comments.. His sole motto is infosys and Minting money for self.. Nothing in Nations interset... Does he have any social organisation..Does he sponsor Poor students engineering? no..
Posted by:Vinay - 12 Jul, 2010
151:
Mr. Vinay, There is a saying in English saying... THINK BEFORE YOU INK. You better do some R&D about Mr. Narayana Murthy, before you jump to conclusions about him. And service to society doesn't end at sponsoring poor students, or running a social organization. He is running a Venture Capital fund, that fuels those best minds in the country which has ideas but lack money to realize their dream and passion of fueling the country's economy. And, the best part is that, INFY is one of the country's highest tax payers. So, it is directly contributing to the ECONOMY, without which the burden falls directly on the common man, and mark my words.... THAT WOULD BE UNBEARABLE ... IF HAPPENED.

Get INSPIRED from successful people..... but JEALOUSY AND HATRED is not the solution. GET A LIFE! ... GROW UP.
Bhushan Replied to: Vinay - 12 Jul, 2010
152:
Dear Bhushan

Hi . I would like to correct your facts for Venture Capital Funds. Its not for society, not for best minds in the country its all about making money from other best mind people and having larger shares then the originator. Now about your point of Largest Tax Payer, Please find that how much subsidies has been granted to infosys and you will surprise that subsidies are much higher than that of taxes. Also Subsidy given to any company is from the resources of the COMMON MAN. and ALL IS FOR MONEY... and the company like infy must do as return for society. And i believe though i am not having any facts Mr. Murthy may be doing some kind of social work either by providing free education or else as what i expect from the person of his caliber, and if he is not doing so please we all can convey message through different forums to spent some share from his large wealth and not only he, we all can do and can help society and we must do it as we all are capable either in one way or other. Please don't take any thing personal its all for OUR COUNTRY OUR PEOPLE
Narendra Replied to: Bhushan - 13 Jul, 2010
153:
but sir before giving the statement he should atleast realize of what he is saying...................
rudra Replied to: Bhushan - 12 Jul, 2010
154: I never ever expected such a ridiculous, wild discriminating, brainwashing comment on "Engineers who built factories, dams and power plants" for a Mr. Murthy who is blaming them now.

If you are not able to provide opportunities please don't make any discriminating statements. Every one has their own potentials.What Sun can do moon can't & what moon can do sun can't. So its better not to compare but to praise their glory.

For company Growth you required "Engineers who can build factories, dams and power plants" that time and now take only computer science people! Whats this? You can't build your Company's and country's economic growth solely with CS/IT persons.

Every one has the potential to learn new things and do the job. Mr. Murthy should stop giving these type of comments.
Posted by:Siddhalingesh - 12 Jul, 2010
155:
@above person

then why the hell should you pursue other disciplines of engg and then venture into our industry
may people in india should opt for cse if they ought to stay in it jobs an electrical or mechnical engg cannot become a software engineer
then whats the use of a seperate computer science discipline so i think what mr murthy said is partially true
the drives that have been happening are only limited to top institutes and i think there are more than enough engineers(c.s.e) in the market but grabbing them is a strategy let to mr murthy
Rama chandra murthy Replied to: Siddhalingesh - 12 Jul, 2010
156:
Every one has the potential to learn new things and do the job.
ya thats true, but what is required is more trained manpower in Computer Science in order to revolutiuonize the system.
No doubt you are exceptionally well and we appreciate your talent , but your skills are suited to a different domain than IT.
So better excel your domain rather than being a part of something in which you are less familiar.

Dont take it personally, I am talking about the general trend.
Abhishek Bharadwaj Replied to: Siddhalingesh - 12 Jul, 2010
157:
mate you have replied yourself . as there is a lot of difference between moon and sun. I think that much of science every body knows. A computer Eng. Knows the basic of computer Science and civil and electrical Eng. Know the basic of thier own Stream but not computer Sc.
Vikram Replied to: Abhishek Bharadwaj - 12 Jul, 2010
158:
Hey first read the article sternly then write abything....
Rajul Pratap Replied to: Siddhalingesh - 12 Jul, 2010
159:
hey hello..................the article speaks mostly about considering the issue of cs/it students not involving into theuir core companies that the company itself should think off and not throwing irritating statements on other branches of science students.................if u wants that more and more cs people shiould get attracted to ur company then u should make ur company perfect and make proper rules and regulations abide by to satisfy both the employees who work with dedication and ur company.............
instead of arguing and making an advertisement to recruit more people next yr......
dont ever try to cpmare every one is best in their fields and to the work to which they put their dedication and ur no one to comment.
rudra Replied to: Rajul Pratap - 12 Jul, 2010
160: I disagree with Mr. Murthy's comments even though I am a Computer Engineer myself. Reasons are many like below:
1. Engineers from other disciplines can be much better when the product or project at hand is for that discipline. So an Automobile Engineer may be able do better when building an automobile related software since he/she comes from that background. Similar for other disciplines.
2. From a company's viewpoint, the company is able to strike a bargain with the engineers from other disciplines in terms of compensation. Since much about the software building can be learnt by any one given he/she has the basic skills for that. That's what infact Infy does while hiring and then gives rigorous training.
3. If Mr. Murthy (or Infy) practiced what he says in comments, then Infy (& he) can train engineers by picking up Computer engineers only rather than stealing away talent from other disciplines.

The above in now way means that "Any" engineer from one discipline is better than the other. Each one is good in their domains.

Such Comments are NOT really expected from such a personality.
Posted by:Ghanshyam - 12 Jul, 2010
161:
If you can read the complete article then you would know what he is saying. Please don't unnecessarily comment on what he said.
Palak Mathur Replied to: Ghanshyam - 12 Jul, 2010
162:
hello he has lost is senses he doesent even know of what he is speaking off.. since Mr. Murty is just concentrating on the besiness tech part and he thinks that his company also needs copmliments etc etc as other core companies doo...
its alevel sir which very body needs to cross up and goo
nothing is stable time is changing and every body changes...

what if u saywhen a scientist does his BTech from CS Mtech in tronics/civil/material science
or BTech from bio and MTech in CS
rudra Replied to: Palak Mathur - 12 Jul, 2010
163:
If you do not follow comments properly, do not comment. Put in your comments rather than commenting on others' comments.
Natasha Replied to: Palak Mathur - 12 Jul, 2010
164: I agree with Mr. Murthy but this their own fault. Why they hire people from non-IT backround when there is lot of IT students who are not from big institutes, but still they are very talented and without a job. If they start conducting nationl wide test like nagarro did tehn they will get quality engineers.
Posted by:Yogeesh - 12 Jul, 2010
165:
I do agree to Mr N.R. Murthy,but they should see that there is another option,
there is lack of computer science engineers because the young and talented people from the small colleges are underseen.....
so actually its a illusion of computer science engineers lacking therein
the companies should hire those people
a few colleges in the north are:
Kumaon Engineering College,Dwarahat(www.kecua.ac.in), Uttrakhand.
Govind Ballabh Pant Engineering College,Pauri(www.gbpec.net)
Uttrakhand.
Birla Institute Of Applied Sciences(BIAS),
Bhimtal,Uttrakhand.
Prem Prakash Arya Replied to: Yogeesh - 12 Jul, 2010
166: What Mr Murthy is saying has to be thought with bigger depth rahter than taking it personally over engineering backgrounds.
What he intends to say is IT has been hogging people of other streams which can lead to a failure in the horizontal development of country.
The country needs civil/structural engineers to lead a construction project and not some babus with fake degree from some deemed university. If a civil engineer opted for degree in a civil field, he has an expertize to it that can be put to better use elsewhere.
This world is not just about IT and computers.
Posted by:Sumedh - 12 Jul, 2010
167: Mr. Murthy is absolutely right track.
Do you ever know the plight of a CS Engineer after spending 8 semesters digging the elements of COmputer Science only to find out later that what he has learned till now is of no special importance and he is placed in the same pool of non-It graduates.
The entire effort seems to be wasted. We often hear people saying Software Engineers are just like mob, anyone can be apart of it.

We see that CS people remain jobless , while non-Cs people get a job. Why? because the questions asked in interview has rarely anything to do with Computer Science.

Can anybody answer why till today there couldnot be any Google, Facebook or Orkut from India. We always follow what Us guys do. We rarely do something genuine of our own.Companies dont hire engineers, they do hire outbots.

Sorry for being rude friends , but its true
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Comments Awaited
Abhishek Bharadwaj
Posted by:Abhishek - 12 Jul, 2010
168:
hey there if the non it people have more talent and mind and intelligent then cs people then what is the topic to argue.........
vini Replied to: Abhishek - 12 Jul, 2010
169:
" Why? because the questions asked in interview has rarely anything to do with Computer Science"

Abhishek, why can not the CS people answer the questions just as well? Surely Civil Engg people are not getting selected because the questions are about cement?
AarEm Replied to: Abhishek - 12 Jul, 2010
170:
Because erratic selection process and irrelevant questions can not judge if a person is able to work in a particular field specially engineering. What I experienced in the selection process is that a guy who even did not studied properly throughout his 8 semesters got selected, WHY? because he prepared well for the Campus Selections according to what is asked in the written and verbal tests.
Now this person got selected doesnot mean that he will be a good software engineer because the test was not intended particularly to test IT and related skilld. It was just a scrutiny process used by our IT giants. But I have a friend who could not clear for Infy, later got selected for CISCO. Thanks to CISCO for not asking 10th class math and Clerk level logic in written tests. If these type of written tests can be a measure, clerks are better fitted for IT jobs in our Indian IT companies.
Amit Replied to: AarEm - 12 Jul, 2010
171:
well said frnd.
ataulla Replied to: Amit - 13 Jul, 2010
172:
what u said is true brother i am a computer science graduate my self ive seen many companies in hyderabad recruit non it people if they are from top colleges this attitude ought to change
Rama chandra murthy Replied to: Abhishek - 12 Jul, 2010
173:
After a long long time atleast one of the IT head opened his eyes to recruit CSE engg. rather other science candidates..!
Thanks god our successors..!
Kishore Replied to: Abhishek - 12 Jul, 2010
174:
yes, I agree with you Abhishek. There are lots of CS people who are jobless, and to survie they go for BPO jobs. on otrher hand non-Cs people who are from some big institute or we can say some expensive inst get these jobs which we deserve.
yogeesh Replied to: Abhishek - 12 Jul, 2010
175:
Absolutely right most of the students dont work during their education career. They failed to develop their knowledge on field and technology. Then there how can every one will get the job. am i right....
Raj Replied to: AarEm - 12 Jul, 2010
176: This is a very sad thing that a genuine concern and foresight from one of the better leaders in the country has been potrayed in such a sensational manner totally twisting its meaning out of context.

Myth# - Statement says "NR Narayana Murthy feels the the growth of the IT sector is getting limited because of this."

Fact# - Read his statement. "....we don't take away engineers who can build factories, dams and power plants". Infosys has always maintained a unbiased attitude towards recruitment irrespective of the brnch of engineering. The selection process based on puzzles and there is a rigorous training. The reason why this statement is that Mr Murthy feels that other sectors are growing rapidly and present the same or better opportunities for other engineering graduates. Their education and experience can be better utilized rather than shifting to IT. 10 years ago it was OK, because IT was the bread & butter and all engineering graduates wanted to earn better so shifted to IT, but now it is not so. The idea is not because IT is having a problem but because other sectors are running dry. Other industrial sectors should match IT & overseas salary & benefits to retain best talent.
Posted by:FrequentReader - 11 Jul, 2010
177:
Fortunately, you are one of the very few who got the message correctly.
Amit Replied to: FrequentReader - 12 Jul, 2010
178: Accept it Mr. Murthy. You cannot afford CS/IT Engineers salaries, hence you have to hire engineers from other branches. There is considerable difference in the salaries of CS/IT folks and other branch Engineers. And CS engineers are better of working of algorithms, IT space doesn't require their skills to be pledged in business solutions. CS folks are way above the IT services in Indian IT space.
Posted by:crackpot - 11 Jul, 2010
179:
Hey Dude.dnt get me wrong.here the discussion is not about who is more skilled and who is not.I am a telecommunication engg and i have been working in IT since 2006.Reason -1)In ETC there werent much job opportunities in India.In 2006 i had 3 options.Either try for a job in some govt organisation (say BSNL) , go for MTech and become a faculty in some college or work for an IT company.I dnt think i am less skilled thn a regular CS/IT guy. I am as good in C and Cpp as i am in microprocessor and DSP.And it wasnt some jackpot tht got me the job.i had to compete with other guys (from all other streams)and luckily i made it. i dnt think anything is Biased here.
2)If i am good in C/Cpp or whtever i learnt in my Engg why wouldnt i choose an IT job.?
The Pay thing.Well while passing out from college companies treat all BEs or Btechs As freshers.Stream/ Branch hardly matters. they pay them almost same.The thing tht only matters is how much you get in reasoning and aptitudes and your interview.

I feel the same about Mechanical/Electrical and ETC .Infact its harder for a mechanical or electrical or civil guy to get a job in IT, as they never had papers like DSP,Microprocessors,Computer networks yet they did well and got a job in IT. So pls.dont complain and dont compare.
prakash Replied to: crackpot - 12 Jul, 2010
180:
I am commenting for the first time.I fully agree with you. I have been in the industry for a long time and have qualifications masters in both ETC and IT.I have also interviewed a lot of people from freshers to Experienced. For freshers I don't know how much the college study is important for recruitment. It has never happened that freshers are directly given core development activity without training. What becomes important is problem solving and analytical skills. Technology can be learnt but skills are difficult to learn. Say u r an IT engineer and you know the latest languages but the question is to what extent and I may use some other language and tools to develop the software. IT is a big term and covers a lot of things. Chip design and DSP companies are also IT companies so There I donot think they teach Industry standard VLSI in CS/IT. Some companies still have some restriction only to select ECT/CS/IT. There is no hard and fast rule and if U see IT industry in developed countries like US you find IT people from commerce back ground who are successful software architects and write better code. It doesn't matter only the personal caliber matters.
Regarding quantity of IT engineers, I think lot are still searching for Job and some are very good too. Regarding quality I better no comment as I have some bitter experiences.
Anyway I think that these are somethings which are difficult argue as there are no fixed rule to it.
These are entirely comments which I or we have seen throughout our long experience in IT.
Tatan Replied to: prakash - 12 Jul, 2010
181: Every one has the potential to learn new things and do the job. Mr. Murthy should stop giving these type of comments.
Posted by:Prashanth - 11 Jul, 2010
182:
Yes you are right, but whats the point in doing B.Tech/M. Tech in Agriculture and then working in IT industry, testing some software or supporting some inventory system?
akjoshi Replied to: Prashanth - 12 Jul, 2010
183:
Yes, i agree but let them put their efforts on their respective fields not only in IT. Let others fields grow with good economy. The present situation leads to the better economy of the overseas rather ours.. ! Just think of it.
Kishore Replied to: Prashanth - 12 Jul, 2010
184: This is absolutely ridiculous. I'm myself an IT engineer. And I'm totally jobless..!! Even though I'm premium user of siliconindia!! #IRONY
Posted by:Bhavik Vijay Shah - 11 Jul, 2010
185: This appears to be a hate speech against non-IT background pool of resources and we should be sensitive enough to write such blogs. technical roles are being driven by certifications and there is no point of linking Non-IT resources with economy.
Posted by:Pankaj Gupta - 11 Jul, 2010
186: It's very panic to know that still IT sector is hiring non-computer background candidates for the IT sector due to the lack of Computer Science Engineers. But there's 10,000 IT professionals still looking for the jobs. Organizations should have to maintains their criteria for IT professionals and made an easy way to approach the right jobs. E.g. Organizations should have organize the seminar in the different institutes to tell the students "How could they easily get/apply for the right job?". Some students still have no idea to "how to apply for the right job?", whether s/he has adequate knowledge and communication skill.
Posted by:Uttam Singh Bist - 11 Jul, 2010
187: at one time computer science was being taken up by all and sundry. now what happened?
Posted by:kishore - 11 Jul, 2010
188:
Narayana Murthy has said what was in many people's mind but were afraid to talk. Why should industry spend crores of rupees for training fresh graduates when that was what we expect from thousands of colleges that collects lakhs of rupees from students. Why can't the education system listen to what is needed by the industry.
babumohanan Replied to: kishore - 11 Jul, 2010
189:
Murthy probably doesn't have any idea about the thousands of it/cse engineers that are sitting without any job (on the ground cause of last recession and poor on-campussing in their college). however when they appear for the off-college interviews, they get rejected on hollow grounds...how's that statement fair?
somen das Replied to: babumohanan - 11 Jul, 2010
190:
I m very shocked after getting this news... How Narayan Murthy can say like this.. In our country a lot of CS engineers(MCA,BTech CS) are still looking for a job... If Infosys really needs good CS engineers then why infosys keep criteria at the selection time?
mahesh Replied to: somen das - 11 Jul, 2010
191:
i agree with mahesh..there are lot of CSE branch engineers but big companies like Wipro infosys TCS and also satyam keep criteria at selection time whose effect the computer engineers...why these companies keep criteria?if candidate has a ability then they can prove.
I requested to big companies plss give the chance to every CSE engineers
manoj Replied to: mahesh - 12 Jul, 2010
192:
There are quite a lot of engineers. But, companies look for the quality in them. Because, there are so many people, companies can't just give a job. They look for who is best among the available people.
chaits Replied to: mahesh - 11 Jul, 2010
193:
Murthy Probably doesnot know that there should be equal proportional between CS/IT and non IT engineers. For example to build better avionics software you need Aeronautical Engineers + Electronics/Electrical engineers. Comp science engineers are of not much help. In US and other Countries they have branches like Electrical and Computer Engineering for this purpose. To build a powerplant software you need knowledge about Electrical Engineering,computer science knowledge is not much of help. I feel the problem of Infosys is they couldnot place the non IT engineers in the right domain where they need to be..
Swarup Samal Replied to: chaits - 12 Jul, 2010
194:
IT industry is the only field where anybody can get access.any non IT person gets access to this field easily.the reason y non IT people r recruited is coz companies want to make profit as they hav to pay more to a computer engineer.Restrictions should b put on tht no non IT person gets access into this field.else computer engineers will hav to face job problems as it is facing now coz of non IT people.
RVV Replied to: Swarup Samal - 12 Jul, 2010
195:
This is not true. Mr. Murthy's statement is absolutely not worth sincere. There are a large number of computer engineer graduates who were not recruited by the same Infy when their campus interviews were attended. The scale prescribed by them were too meagre. Hence could not go thru.,
K.S.Dharan Replied to: Swarup Samal - 12 Jul, 2010
196:
First off, no offense to anyone, I am just disappointed by the discussion here. Try to listen to what the man is saying. He is a guy who has had more success than he ever imagined for himself, and now sitting at the top of Maslow's pyramid and with knowldege and experience, he is just trying to help the industry as best as he can. If you are not where you wanted to be, dont blame anyone else...something in you needs to be fixed, fix it...no contest with bad luck though...if bad luck is your problem, it can mess you up big time....but still hard work should be able to control some damage
disappointed Replied to: K.S.Dharan - 25 Aug, 2010
197:
Hi Murthy Sahab !

I am Rajesh Kumar ! I will never prefer Infosys to join becoz I can never get in Infosys @ fresher Level because I have secured only 51% and 57% in High school , and Intermediate from UP BOARD but in Graduation I secured 73% and in PG (MCA , JNU , GOLD MEDALIST) I secured 89% and I have got a very very good offer from MNCs for better than Infosys. and working with Infys 4-5 Years exp Engineers and doing great amongst them.....................

CHANGE YOUR THOUGHT AND ALLOW THE PEOPLE FROM POOR BACKGROUNDS , ALLOW THEM TO SEAT in Your SCREENING at least , If they have guts they will crack and prove themselves like me ............

I am getting 9 Lacs p.a. now and having just a single year experience.... Which I never have thought of with Infy .......


APNI SONCH BADLO MURTHY BETA! TO TUMHE ENGINEERS MILENGE COMPUTER BACKGROUND SE !
RAJESH Replied to: K.S.Dharan - 12 Jul, 2010
198:
Exactly there is no lack of CS/IT graduates.you would wonder that many of them r teaching in private schools.I think Mr. Murthy don't know CS/IT graduate die to work in such an IT giant but due to hiring policy and rules of compnies they remain very back even they have very strong technical knowledge.I m 2007 passout in IT branch my all friends who always die to do programming are teaching in colleges without satisfaction.
Paritosh Replied to: K.S.Dharan - 12 Jul, 2010
199:
Mr. Murthy didn't blame any branch and he didn't apprise any branch. He just analysed the past years in the IT sector and their employees , and he finalize there is a real need in computer science or IT people in IT industry.....Really there were so many graduates from the computer science or IT background are unemployeds from the past 2 year(2008). I'm really thankfull to Mr.Murthy for exploring a great idea to this world.
pavan Replied to: K.S.Dharan - 12 Jul, 2010
200:
Sir sorry to say you live in the world of illusion.I am a live example who had good computer knowledge and grew up with computer when i was in third class even after completing b,tech in computer science with good academic record i did not got job in computer field.Still after 3 year of graduation i am search job which give me satisfaction.
shamshul Replied to: K.S.Dharan - 12 Jul, 2010
201:
I agree with murthy..atleast now they hav realized...i dont no y ppl taking it as a discrimination against other branches...every branch has got its own importance..so ppl with other background should work in their respective fields which wil help in overal development of d country...Mr.Murthy has to start it with d infosys n stop recruiting other ppl n give opportunity for thousands of those who r unemployed or underemployed from IT branches...
its really hard to digest when companies keep d same cutoff for al branches its totally unfair..C.S ppl can go nowhere other than IT..may be companies need ppl across branches for s/w development regarding other fields .recruit them only in such conditions...
manoj Replied to: K.S.Dharan - 12 Jul, 2010
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