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IITians wake up, your profs are on street

By Zoya Anna Thomas   |   Wednesday, 26 August 2009, 03:55 Hrs   |    175 Comments
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IITians wake up, your profs are on street
Bangalore: Nationally, the average annual pay for professors in U.S. public universities is $115,509. Compare this to what Indian professors of the prestigious Indian Institute of Technology (IIT) get annually - a paltry $12,000. Although the cost of living in the U.S. is higher, the gap in the salaries of the professors needs correction. Is this what the nation builders get in return for putting in years of hard work into educating and mentoring the future of the nation?

Ever heard of Naveen Jain, the CEO and Co-founder of Intelius? He graduated from IIT Roorkee in 1979. Vinod Khosla? The Co-founder of Sun Microsystems graduated from IIT Delhi in 1976. Bharat Desai, Chairman and CEO of Syntel graduated from IIT Bombay. Arun Sarin, former CEO of Vodafone graduated from IIT Kharagpur. The list goes on. In 2006, two final year students of IIT Bombay landed a job with New York based software group, Lime for $80,000 per year, with a $10,000 signing bonus. The question is, why is the government paying so less to the very people who play such an important role in educating the brightest minds in the country.

Hundreds of faculty members of IIT Bombay and Roorkee went on mass casual leave on Monday to protest disparities in pay package approved by the Ministry of Human Resources Development (HRD) under the Sixth Pay Commission. Over 200 professors of IIT-Bombay held a silent march on the Powai campus. Over 400 professors of IIT Delhi followed suit. IIT-Madras and IIT Kharagpur professors had gone on leave, on Friday.

"The pay hike given by the government is at least 30 percent less at the lower level (of faculties) and at higher level it is 40 percent less than what we had asked for. It will be difficult for us to attract good faculty members," said Saumya Mukherjee, Professor at IIT Bombay.

The professors have alleged that the HRD ministry has sidelined the Goverdhan Mehta Committee report which had recommended better pay structure for IIT professors. The demand of scholastic pay in monthly installments of 15000 has been overlooked. "The ministry of human resources development is the real villain," said Hem Chandra Gupta, Professor of Physics at IIT-Delhi.

Pay scales of 15, 600- 39,100 for lecturers or lecturer-cum-post-doctoral fellow, 30, 000 (minimum fixed) for assistant professors, 37, 400-67,000, 42, 800 (minimum fixed) for associate professors and 37, 400-67,000, Rs 48,000 (minimum fixed) for professors has been decided.

"If you compare the difference between the stipend of a PhD student and the working salary in a government science lab over, say, six years, the loss is 23 lakh. Our demand of scholastic pay in monthly installments of 15, 000 has been overlooked though the committee had taken inputs from IIT Faculty Forum Federations and IIT directors," Mukherjee said.

The IITs have been facing an increasing shortage in faculty for over five years now. Add to that, as per government recommendations, eight new IITs are to be set up. This will need at least 8000 new professors. With pay packages this low, how the government hopes to attract the best is an issue that needs immediate attention.

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1: Sir,
Lets first talk about the "nation building" part-lets be clear which nation. I believe 99% of the IITians are in process of building US or some other nation which is paying them a rich life style or to thier own satisfaction to call it betterment of their technical career. lets not forget that they get world class education by the way govt money-they might have paid fees buts it only a token for each engineer or doctor govt pay more than 10times what a student is paying(for atleast govt colleges). Now what are they doing for the nation building- first thing they do is apply for passport and jump on to the flight which takes them to US. shame on them- if they feel tht their profs are paid less. let the "hard" earning "NRI"-"IITians" from abroad send some money to the profs. already the IT paid by me is wasted on brains going on drain.
lets stop this argument and think of really building the nation(India) which has given the education.
Posted by:sathiyan - 31 Aug, 2009
2:
Lots of IITians got educated at a subsidized rates and are doing extremely well outside India. Why don't they pay back through endowments back to their institutes - which can be augumented for Prof's salaries back here? We need to look for private - public partnership and these institutes should find ways and means to pay their professors well. Govt cannot do everything.
Ramesh V K Replied to: sathiyan - 01 Sep, 2009
3: IIT professors make extra income by consulting and projects. They make travel and do other stuff.
so they are also equally paid that is the truth. AND they make their kids get in to IIT some how.
Posted by:arus - 28 Aug, 2009
4:
this is not true..... academics in india is still given lowest priority........
nishant Replied to: arus - 03 Sep, 2009
5:
Ridiculous and absurd. There is nothing like "Some How" their kids get into IIT. I have spent 4 years in IIT as student and 6 years in IISc as campus resident. I can give you statistics if you need otherwise, please get the numbers from any IIT.

IIT entry is just based on Merit..
Hari Replied to: arus - 29 Aug, 2009
6:
Yes its based on Merit only in B.tech through JEE, Not in M.tech or phd. If one prof son/daughter did not get through JEE then they will get M.tech or PHD. I knew this for sure since I was also resident in IIT for a while that "Some how means lot" which I cannot explain here. No one take job for less money. just to let you know the truth.
tjwrvc Replied to: Hari - 30 Aug, 2009
7: Leaving apart the issue of Low Salaries for the highly qualified and derserving IIT professors, I am surprised at the comparison of the salaries. As I person with first hand information about the US scenerio, I feel that its not the right comparison. The basic fact that out of the Salary of say USD.100,000 per annum, the person earning it needs to spend more than 60% to 70% to meet the basic needs and amenities like housing, transport, food, medical, insurance & incidental expenses. Where as in the Indian scenerio, the percentage of these costs are not so high.

Another feature that distincts them is their status in the society in general. IIT Professors are considered and respected a lot in India, whereas its much different scenerio in US. In view of this, as an Indian, we look for overall picture, not just the amount of money or savings. Hope my fellow readers agree with my views.
Posted by:Prakash - 28 Aug, 2009
8: As I read through the comments, a question arises, i.e. Are the IIT'ans the only people who needs to be regarded, What about the other professors who have contributed so much that their students have ended up occupying 35% of NASA's staff.

Why compare the IIT professors to the professors in US when the contribution of the professors in other lesser known institutions have equally contributed.

If ever we need, as citizens need to question why is it the other institutions which have been contributing not given the same status of IIT's, Why are the professors given salaries & regards similarly.

IIT Gurus are not the only Gurus, Let us rethink.
Posted by:Dileep Kumar - 28 Aug, 2009
9: No one is Born IITan. All are made IITans. If you can understand the cycle from the beginning, Anyone first learns from his/her parents and surroundings. There is no doubt parents are feeling utmost responsibility for their children. No issues till here.

Next set of people who influence and guide these students is primary school teachers. After that, secondary school and this goes till 12th class.

Very clear point here is IIT PROFESSORS ARE NOT THE ONLY PEOPLE CREATING SO CALLED \\\"NATION BUILDERS\\\". There is lot of effort involved into it to get into IIT. Who is responsible for this TRANSITION from a child to an IIT student?

No doubt, it is teachers at thier primary, secondary and higher secondary schools. ATTITUDE(with which, undoubtedly, any one can get what they aspire) is being built from primary school.

Can any one here know that the average salary of a primary school teacher is as less as 6-7 thousands a month?

What is the difference between trained teachers and IIT professors? Any one can just guide you to be successful in your path. Guiding a matured human being is always easy compared to guiding a kid.

That is why, I said in my previous post that we should take responsibility for the people/place that is/are responsible for our growth.

Just stop discussing about the university grades and all other useless things and start contributing to your schools/colleges/universities. This will make lot of difference.

Again, I am not saying that government is not responsible for this. But, we should feel more responsible for our BELOVED GURUS.
Posted by:NagaNY - 27 Aug, 2009
10: Hi, its nice to hear that there is injustice over salary in six pay commission. You have compared the salary with an USA professor and IIT Professor.

I want to put some points, please give your comment if you feel good or bad with it

India is developing country and USA is developed country. Of course money matter but from where to raise fund and how to distribute

It’s the caliber of IIT student which should be appreciated. In my knowledge even the lowest rank university in USA has more turn over than IIT or any institute or University in India, all are mostly depended on government. Make your institute more professional as USA universities, raise fund and ask 30 % money over your salary.

Your ranking and comparison and contribution of the IIT’ans has done as per there position in private forum or company. (I do not have any doubt about IITians caliber or brilliancy but still no Nobel Laureate from Great IIT, neither in India nor in USA since last 50 years). In India, Nobel Laureates of Indian or Great scientist are from Traditional University. In America State Universities are developed as whole. So, why not to develop the traditional universities. Even very worst situation of best university in India. But, no body thinking and coming forward to strengthen the university to make India a develop and prosperous. India will never be developed by providing nearly 0.01% student good facilities, need of more researcher and that should be focused.

Why not to equip IIT with all the facilities in regarding hostels, research facilities and even promote then for the rural development as in case with USA universities.

I am not agreeing that IIT’ans do not have the prestige in nation. They have, why to bother about other when u are dedicated and committed to do some nice.

Its not the injustice with other professor who is working on same rank in NIT and other institute and they are really good and even better that some IIT professor. Why not to increase salary of all and should be focused as National Professor with different grade pay scale.
I want some IIT professor or student comment especially.
Sorry, if my comment will really heart someone.
Posted by:Mukesh - 27 Aug, 2009
11:
dude.. if u see the data for last few years. u will come to know that brain drain has declined.. and for proffs.. i must tell u being an IITian i know what they are. and what they ought to be. by paying so less i dont think IITs will be able to maintain their standards for acads.. what they are known for. nations top institutes , one of worlds best technical institutes. and what we hear is that they are runnig through shortage of faculty. isnt it shame for us. or govt.

i m not targeting those who commented ridiculously.but the way they commented clearly showed their jealousy nothing else..
white_hat Replied to: Mukesh - 01 Sep, 2010
12:
The Nobel Laureate thing
Mayank Replied to: Mukesh - 06 Apr, 2010
13: What \'nation builders\' is this writer talking about? The real nation builders here are the other citizens of India, who desperately need quality improvement. This \'paltry\' $12000 amount to Rs. Seven Lakhs over here. Why should this man compare this money with what a professor is earning in the US, why not what a professor is earning in the third world nations? As to the quality of these \'teachers\' and the contribution of their wards, what is it that these people are contributing to the quality improvement of the citizens here. They just become the super class here, who the others have to bow to. You should not talk nonsense. Reduce the salary of these parasites, and bring it down to levels of what the other fooled citizens of this nation is earning. Instead of pumping money for the luxurious lifestyle of these people, built toilets in the towns, free rest houses for the common persons to relax when they travel to towns, bring in British quality education to the children of the common man, provide free school buses, set up safe drinking water facility for the public to use all over the nation etc. As to the contribution of the IITs and IIMs, I heard that they get paid around one or two lakhs per month (around 1 to 2 thousand dollars) over there in the US. Well, the truth is that even an agricultural worker over there earn much more. But then, the question is even if the IITians earn a multiple of this in the US, what is the use of this for the citizens of India? Do not preach foolishness. What this nation is the conservation of the national wealth for the improvement of the persons who live here, and not for the support of persons who are aiming to escape. Cut the salary of the professor and also of all civil servants. What a college teacher needs is just around Rs. 15000 per month. I have also studied in fantastic government colleges. I know the real quality of these ‘teachers’. Other than what comes in the books, their knowledge is more or less zero.
Posted by:Ved from Victoria Institutions - 27 Aug, 2009
14:
Sir,
IITians profs are not stupid. Neither are they ignorant about what's happening around. They are well known and respected in their fields and they are the ones who lead research in India. So please don't generalize your observations about education system to everything.
Mayank Replied to: Ved from Victoria Institutions - 06 Apr, 2010
15: How can anyone value a Guru.

There would be many more examples of other teachers, that are not IITians, but they good in their life.

Thats probably one of the reasons why we sa say Guru Before God.

Even if we make sure to respect, may be its more than green paper.

Yup, I do agree that its a fact, they may not get paid as they should be, but, considering resources, it may be okay.
Posted by:Kapil - 27 Aug, 2009
16:
Besides this there is the additional advantage of getting a large number of consultancy projects from Industry and Govt Departments, subsidized housing. The cost of living in India is much lower.
Comparison of European/US salaries is also futile and is applicable across the board.
No doubt there should be more salary for professors , not only at IITs but also at all institutions of learning. The other day somebody was talking of a six figure salary package (Monthly) for faculty at a coaching Institute at Kota. Compare this with a Post Sixth CPC salary, Which is considered by all as manna from heaven, of a PGT of Kendriya Vidyalaya.
Again will you compare the salary of European/ US Govt Servants And Defence Personnel with Indian salaries?
Ranjan Replied to: Kapil - 27 Aug, 2009
17: Ok in a phase of understanding we agree that we have to increase the salary of IIT professor. As most of the person after PHD dont want to join the teaching job because of lack of money. I know teaching job is like serving the country with giving good knowledge to new upcoming students. But this type of implementation should for all the teachers of all the engineering colleges.As they are also giving education to students.There are large no. of students doing engineering in various engineering college of india. It means the teachers in those colleges should pay less so that they will differentiate their students in case of quality of education. if u will consider then only 10% are the part of IIT and rest 90% of students making part in other engineering college. Second money mater in every job. As if u have less money then it losses it charm.Its ok on the point of humanity but at the level of personal life it maters. Like without money how you can show the way of higher education to you children. Today if you want to get admission in IIT,MEDICAL,IIM you need pre investment of money for coaching or form filling or getting books. Without money how a person can bear the load of children education even if it is a profession of teacher,doctor etc. On the other side have any body look in to the mater of stipend of PHD student in indian college,IIT or any other places.It is same.A phd student is giving his many years for completing the phd.But in reward he is getting very less money per month which is i think less then a person working in call centre or a tea maker on road.Then why a phd student is getting very less stipend. Thereofre a student is joing research when it has no hope for other option. and it just joining not to do research only to get degree to get abroad for post doc or job. as in india phd student are like slaves who will work hard but reward is olnly few rs. If a voice is coming for teachers then it should come for phd students also. as they will become future teachers.otherwise one day only few people will think for phd or if think then they will go outside not to come india. so thing for all level.
Posted by:bonje - 27 Aug, 2009
18: I think you misdirected the wake-up call to IITians. This would be more appropriate if directed to the HRD Ministry.
If teaching was attractive in the first place many of us would have gladly considered this as a career.
Palak Bhattacharyya
IIT Kgp- 1978
Posted by:Palak Bhattacharyya - 27 Aug, 2009
19:
I think a mistake a lot of posters are making is just thinking about the present. Benefits of faculty salary increases dont just benefit existing faculty. Some additional benefits:
--You can attract PhDs currently working in Indian industry into faculty positions
--You can attract Indian PhDs currently working abroad into faculty positions in India
--You can offer talented young people taking up industry jobs an alternative career path (do a PhD, become a teacher)

Each category above can contribute to the applicant pool
for future faculty positions and in turn raise the standards of these institutions, their students and also the Indian industry
jd99 Replied to: Palak Bhattacharyya - 27 Aug, 2009
20: There are two main reasons why India has got a shortage of quality professors:
1. Lack of respect for teaching jobs compared to industry jobs
2. Below par compensation
My understanding is that the second point is the main culprit and if you start compensating them appropriately, in time the respect for teaching jobs in our society would automatically show up! If the government seriously wants to increase the number of quality institutions like the IITs in our country (am not talking about the dummy IITs they have opened with no proper planning whatsoever!), then they MUST compensate professors at par with industry.
Posted by:Ex-IITian - 27 Aug, 2009
21: This is no surprise. For a society which extols "Super Power Status" based on feudal values without any importance to or prioritising for science and technology, without any basic product development in any front, with only breathing on outsourced crumps and BPO outputs....this fact about professors is no shock.
And people who take up teaching are not the ones with natural inclination for research or their taste of teaching or like anything. They do so because they do not get any job and then they take up teaching as a last resort.
Posted by:Mrinal Roy - 27 Aug, 2009
22:
Yes Mr. Roy,
I personally know many of my professors, who have a very high leveraging packages waiting at the front doors. But due to their passion and love for whatever they are doing they had never opened the door. If today IIT faculty decide to leave the college and join the industry they will get huge sum of salary, but there is something which is stopping them from doing so and I think its their love and compassion for teaching.
Alok Bansal Replied to: Mrinal Roy - 27 Aug, 2009
23:
Do not talk about the passion and such things. When these guys join the industry, they will be just novices, and mere nitwits, nothing more. In our nation, the teaching class and the civil servants are persons who have no other real ability to survive. After getting government jobs, they try to publish that they are an indispensible group. Industry does not depend on academic knowledge for surviving. It has knowledge of its own, which the academicians later try to catch up with!
Ved from Victoria Institutions Replied to: Alok Bansal - 27 Aug, 2009
24:
Mr. Ved,
What do you really know about Civil Servants and Teaching Class? There are extraordinary people who have turned many things around amongst them. Do you have any idea the amount of effort that these people have to put in to go beyond the useless preconceived perceptions about them that hampers their work? Clean up your act before you start pointing fingers and start commenting about others.
Asha Replied to: Ved from Victoria Institutions - 27 Aug, 2009
25:
Mr Roy please do not put all IIT Professors in such a category. Many IIT professors are doing their job out of love and many have left industry to jobs to come into teaching and research. Please do not insult since you do not have idea about all IIT faculties in detail.
Joydeep Dutta
Associate Prof. IIT Kanpur
Joydeep Dutta Replied to: Mrinal Roy - 27 Aug, 2009
26:
Mr. Dutta. All Teachers should be respected. May from IITan or Non-IITan. If we really ponder, IIT could not produce single Noble Prize Winner despite tall claims.
viswanath Replied to: Joydeep Dutta - 03 Sep, 2009
27: "In 2006, two final year students of IIT Bombay landed a job with New York based software group, Lime for $80,000 per year, with a $10,000 signing bonus."

what a stupid argument is this?
are these the only two people who completed their grad in IIT? there are hundreds of people who are coming out of IITs with much lesser packages. It at all they want to compare, they have to do so with the average Salary of outgoing grads.
Posted by:Ananymous - 27 Aug, 2009
28: I feel the whole argument is out of place. On one hand it is said that the IIT professors are there because of the thrill they get out of Nation building and on the other hand they demand higher salaries for their service. If the professors were after money they should have gone in search of such jobs. So long as nobody has compelled them to serve the nation, sacrificing their other golden opportunities,they have no reason to grudge.

In any case calling other universities 'third grade' and stamping engineers passing out from those universities as 'substandard' only belittles the IITians. After all it is those engineers who live in India and work for our country. If professors of IITs should compare their salary with their counterparts in US, these engineers should also have a claim to match their salaries with those of US engineers.
Posted by:K.Narayanan - 27 Aug, 2009
29:
That is a good reply! And why not compare the US taxi drivers', carpenters', sweepers', security men, and others salary also with what similar persons earn in India? Why only about the super paid white elephants of India?
Ved from Victoria Institutions Replied to: K.Narayanan - 27 Aug, 2009
30: Who is this Paku yaar, clearly seems like a person who has lost it in life and knows that he is not talented enough to ever make it big. Feel sorry for becharas like you.
Posted by:Amrit - 27 Aug, 2009
31:
hey Amrit.This is Paku.First of all, you don't have any opinion on any of the above discussions. First do that and then speak. I m still not lost in life and FYI I am a BITS Pilani and IIM C grad

First speak out your opinion and criticize the opinion not the person.
Paku Replied to: Amrit - 27 Aug, 2009
32: absolutely NO knowledge of ANY of the topics they are talking about and then they say we IITans are the ones removed from reality....bogus....Profs at IITs are Gods, but then one needs first hand experience.....not only do they deserve more salary, they deserve the very best of all facilities our country can possibly provide....whatever little recognition India has got in the worldwide arena is because the students that they have trained....but then who will tell this to the dim-wits here who think that just because the profs get quarters and projects it compensates for the pathetic salary they get.....hahahaha....and some idiot has also written that since they don't have the calibre to teach in the US, they are teaching here.....dude just remember this, it is the good fortune of our country that they don't have such shitty calibre....check this out: IIT profs make the IITns --> IITn goes and creates blitz in the US with his/her brilliance --> US knows Indians' capability which the US can reap for a cheaper cost --> US outsources to India --> passouts of C & D grade colleges who would otherwise be unemployed get jobs in India .... and look at the ridiculousness of those in this forum who are asking why IIT professors should be paid more and what contributions they make to our economy ..... these nonIITans suck.....
Posted by:IITrocks - 27 Aug, 2009
33:
IITs Blitz. Ha Ha. NOT A SINGLE NOBLE PRIZE WINNER. Only great talkers. Other universities are better off
viswanath Replied to: IITrocks - 03 Sep, 2009
34:
Buddy..If You are an IITian then i am really sorry for you..They did not teach you the very basic lession,to respect Non-IITians..
Non IITian Replied to: IITrocks - 27 Aug, 2009
35:
This "IITrocks" guy is a hype guy. Hope he sees his end in the very future. He has no respect even for any1 and he thinks he is a legend.Sorry for you boss
paku Replied to: Non IITian - 28 Aug, 2009
36:
IF you check the ISI web of knowledge, there is an interesting information.4072 scientists from USA have been given the highly cited researcher status because of their impact factor. Only 10 people from India are in the list and out of those 10, only 3 people are teachers in IITs. I think this explains well who deserves what!
diamond Replied to: IITrocks - 27 Aug, 2009
37:
Sorry dude, such a cheap work flow exemplifies your beauty of shitty mind.
IITn goes to US and doesn't creat blitz, He is just working on dollors than Rupees, Work is work anywhere.

You know how much of public money is used in creating one IITn, you guy's are feeling proud of being bred on the money of these C&D grade collgege pass outs, who work on out sourced projects, who work in India, and pay their taxes.

This is a Vicious cycle.

There is no doubt that IITn's rock. but be humble towards the same C&D grade colleges to. Because they are the people who are toiling to get the best of the country(IITn), the best best facilities(atleast wat we can afford), than the US counterparts.

Understand the basics....
Guru Devo Bahava, Aacharya Devo bhava.

A guru is a guru, it's not a matter of concern weather he teaches in IIT, or a secondary school even...
P.Sai Krishna Replied to: IITrocks - 27 Aug, 2009
38:
hey Jerk! just remember IIT JEE makes IITians not the profs.. Most of the profs there could not get through this IIT JEE.Tell all your cock and bull stories to the children. They would beleive you. Its really bad fortune for having you such guys studying in India. I feel the IITs should be sponsored by US govt for guys like you. Just jerk off!

Place the guys who pass IIT JEE in a local college, he would still be at par with the present IITian,may be even more
paku Replied to: IITrocks - 27 Aug, 2009
39:
You who do not have the balls to spend 14 hour days thinking hard, on just a PhD's stipend for 5 years instead of 8hrs on an decently-paid industry job, shouldnt comment. The profs in IIT do not need to be there, and you cannot understand what they have gone through, to be there. They are doing this country a service all said and done. The IITs are an internationally recognised brand name of India when it comes to education. To say that the professors responsible for this feat are not undercompensated is insane, and shows a lack of familiarity with the issue of academic jobs, in India and elsewhere.
H_NIT Replied to: paku - 27 Aug, 2009
40:
I think for all what you have said, 6 lpa of salary is more than enough in Kharagpur with other amenities such as house,phone conn,internet etc. Boss, I am also from India and I know a guy's struggle for getting into branded colleges. IITs are IITs not just bcos of profs, its becos of the input quality (for eg:IITJEE) and for a guy to qualify for this exam, he should be trained well even before getting into the prestigious institution. So , the lecturers/profs at that level and even at the school level also need to have their pay hikes, not only the IIT profs.
That is what my arguement is.

It doesnt mean that ppl who work for 8 hrs a day are less talented than people who work for 14 hours a day.It shows that you basically go by numbers and not by any logic behind it. Poor you
paku Replied to: H_NIT - 28 Aug, 2009
41:
@paku
seriously, that's your argument against increasing IIT profs' pay!

You work hard, I can safely assume that. The point is, if you get more salary will you be happy or not? Satisfying basic requirements is not the aim of salary, it is to compensate the true value of a person.

IIT profs are all the cream of their batches. Most students cannot commit to doing PhDs which is required if you want to become a IIT prof.

It might be the case that person X works harder than person Y. But Y may still be awarded higher salary because Y is more valuable.

I understand that you passed out from BITS, and then IIM C.
Will you settle down in a small Indian village for a 8000/- pm pay? After all, you will get house,phone conn,internet etc!
Mayank Replied to: paku - 06 Apr, 2010
42: The existing situation has to be tackled with brains. First of all, comparing a IIT professor with a professor from a leading universities in US is well beyond the limits. Professor - industry relationship is very less in india when compared to US. Also, the amount of research that is done here is very less and this can be viewed by the cited research papers.
Posted by:Thyagarajan - 27 Aug, 2009
43: I agree that salaries of IIT professors are not very good. But there are a lot of facilities they enjoy while in IIT. One is free accommodation. In Bombay and Delhi where a decent accommodation might cost 30 to 50 K pm, they are getting it for a licence fee of Rs. 500 p.m. Of course they lose HRA around Rs.5000. For a teacher in IIT, he gets Rs.1000 pm towards the education of each kid. Phone and internet are free.
But the major thing is government funded projects. They can buy very expensive laptops, mobile phones, digital cameras all in the name of projects. So not a single paisa is spent for these kind of luxuries. So I have afeeling that though the salary is not very good, they save a lot. I am saying this with the experience of working in 3 IITs in non-teaching positions. The real sincere professors-as they do everywhere-seldom worry about salaries.
Posted by:diamond - 27 Aug, 2009
44: After reading all the comments here, we can figure out that this has become war zone between IITans and non-IITans.

Lets have a neutral analogy for this.

80 percent of funds to the US universities will be from private companies. The reason they are funding is that they are getting more than that they have funded because of the people studied there.

Can any one name a single Indian based company or single decision maker from MNCs who studied in IITs have funded for IITs?

I am funding some thousands per month for the primary school that i have studied and some thousands for the secondary school that I have studied.

How many IITans like to fund to the institution from where they have turned into world class professionals?

As some one here said, the salaries to the IIT professors are being paid from the taxes of Indian people. And most of the people(not all) who had done their studies in IITs have settled in the US and paying taxes to the US government.

My concern here is, we should contribute something to the place from where we have grown, before blaming others.

If all old students of IIT contribute 1-2 percent of their earnings to their institutions, all the IIT professors will be paid almost equal(or even more) to the professors in the US.

This is not limited only to IITs, but to other insttutions also.
Posted by:Naga - 27 Aug, 2009
45:
hi,

I am agreed with u....

but.. who contribute to our country....

a. IITians,
b. Non IITians,
c. Businessman
d. Politicians..



NO bODY IS CARING FOR INDIA....

We must RESPECT our COUNTRY...
Lucky Replied to: Naga - 27 Aug, 2009
46:
hai ,
By seeing all the views i am just sharing my opinion salaries improvement for IIT Professor is good where they can share more time and interest on students by guiding them in lot of ways.where more no.of IITians can become future iNTELLIGENT CEOs ,MDs,MINISTERS,MAJORS etc very easily by motivating them in right manner in such away that for creating servicing nature where INDIA can become more stronger by occupying highest positions in INDIA where Development is very easy.(eg :ABDUL KALAM).
In fact IIT Professors also should have same mentalty about working where they can get 100% job satisfaction.
Bright minds can be created by PROFESSORS only none other than that
Do u all accept or not
ok byee beye
K.ChandraSekhar Replied to: Naga - 27 Aug, 2009
47:
You have hit the nail hard on the IITians head.
Agree with each and every point in your comment
Paku Replied to: Naga - 27 Aug, 2009
48: Pls Stop thinking so badly about Professor, Kapil Sibal Minester of Human Resources himself said in a conference at Hyderabad Microsoft office recently that "There is a need to increase the Salary of Professors becoz currently we are paying very lesser than compared to private universities, and when compared to foriegn universities its nothing" he added the Good news is that Central had released 80K crs of Rupess in this 5 years to develop the universities and as well as increase the pay hikes etc... this is a Good sign.

Save Education and stop thinking badly about all
Posted by:Manoj - 27 Aug, 2009
49: What is money
A quantification of the ease with which you shall get going

Assume that you are well respected by everyone and everyone does things for you - do you need the paper-money

It does not matter if you get less number of paper-notes in India and more in U.S or some computer incrementing digits quantifying your value in U.S and doing less in India

The whole concept of going there or staying back simply based on some idiots hypothetical conception of your value has been a necessary evil

Professors like people getting recognition of their brain. does not care for money Exactly like how musicians like claps of the people
Posted by:Kalidas. Y - 27 Aug, 2009
50:
Mr Kalidas

I think money is as important as fame and respect. Its very idealistic of you to become good in this forum by saying this. If you want to stick to it try living without the 'paper' money yourself.
Think in terms of the profs they should really be paid well than wat they get today.
utsav Replied to: Kalidas. Y - 27 Aug, 2009
51: hey all , pls. stop blaming each other yaar.. just try to understand .. these professors are also human being as like we, and they do have their social life, family and responsibilities.
everything requires money and if they ask for some respected amount for their invaluable contribution to the nation and economy then whats wrong in that. Even a middle level manager in any MNC is getting more than them.
if the IIT'ns go and work abroad that is a separate matter, dont mix-up this matter with them.

rupesh soni
Posted by:rupesh soni - 27 Aug, 2009
52:
hello rupesh
Do you think that a IIT prof should get more that 6 lakhs in Kanpur,Kharagpur inspite of getting additional benefits such as a 50,000 worth flat in blore for 500 rs, free telephone/mobile, free internet connection.
Yaar.. Just spend that extra money for other educational institutions and develop them instead of giving it to the profs again. Dont get overwhelmed by the article because the IIT profs are really not like the ones you are guessing them to be
paku Replied to: rupesh soni - 27 Aug, 2009
53:
boss, ur opinions may be right, but there are some cases, people who love teaching ended up in other industrial jobs because of low salaries, think if u work in any organisation, u get lots of benefits, allowances, etc, the present teachers of india (not only the IITs) are paid less when compared to industry, software jobs. getting accomodation in bnglr, mumbai,delhi like cities with rs.500 is dependent on location, what do you say abt accommodation in places like kharagpur. they are serving for the nation
people who are not getting jobs try to settle in the teaching field, but at the same time i also accept that there are some teachers really loving their proffession and doing excellent.
ruby Replied to: paku - 27 Aug, 2009
54:
Those who dont get a job and end up as a teacher, they are not IIT faculties. They are actually teachers in some private engg colleges. Please remember, those who get a faculty job in IITs, there academic career is very good since begining (10th, 12th...).Generally people while doing BE from some renowned institute, decide upon their future goal. Few continue higher sudies and few after 2/3 years in industry return back to academia.
Students in private engg colleges don't get much guidence during their BE and later when they don't get a industry job, join some private institute as faculty.
So please don't compare IIT teachers with ordinay college teachers. You can not compare Dr. Manmohan Singh with Lalu Jadav.
IISC student Replied to: ruby - 27 Aug, 2009
55:
You are right Ruby. Give it to other govt professors too, not only to IIT profs. They are no different from other profs in other colleges.That is the only way to improve the education system. Otherwise the parity increases between IITs and other colleges.
paku Replied to: ruby - 27 Aug, 2009
56: 1.End of the day who is ultimately giving he money to the institution comes in to the picture.

2. We all know foreign univeristies get heavy funds from private sector and they support them in turn by excellent reasearch and good students.

3.In India whats the sceanrio,should give pay heavy salary just like that(which means indirectly comman man is paying to proffessors)

4.Or invite exicting private partcipation and get better turn over?

5.Teaching is not a passion for many IIT proffessors any more -speak to any UG students across India.

6.But amany still saty back in IITs (comfort zone of place,legacy etc)

7.But these are capable people of contributing heavily to industry

8.No IIT proff will say not to $100,000 provided some industry contribution in expoected by him
Posted by:Manoj.M - 27 Aug, 2009
57: It is disheartening to see many silly comments made by many people above. Their narrow mentality is perhaps due to the fact that they are from some 3rd class institutes. One person has said that most of the classes in IITs are taken by PhD students. In my 2 years of stay in IIT Madras while doing M.Tech., only 2 lectures had been taken by PhD students, out of which one was conducted due to illness of my Prof and other was because my Prof had gone to attend some conference with his students. Those were also very basic lectures. The professor who was my project guide there, he was doing research in collaboration with Professors from University of Michigan, University of Massachusettes, Carnegie Melon University and many other world class universities. He done is PhD from US and he could become Professor in any US university and earn many times more than in India. Even in industry, he could earn many many times more money. He came back to India to join IIT Madras only because he wanted to give back to India and stay with his family here. In my project, he had collaborated with Professors of top US universities while getting much lesser salary than them, but he works so much here. There are many such Professors in IITs and IIT Madras is known for its world famous faculty. He ands many other Profs actively contribute not only to industry, but also for rural development projects and are responsible for raising living standards of many poor in India. How can you compare these professors with the Profs of 3rd class universities? My Professor and other IIT Professors came back to India, but what about those who never come back? Do we not need to pay them higher to attract them back to India? People who are so jealous of IITs, they should know that IITs are open for every Indian. In the form that I filled while getting admission, I was not asked to fill my religion and not even my domicile in it. Only being and Indian is enough. Those who fail to make through IITs, they start being jealous of IITs and IITans. People should not make silly comments without knowing the facts.
Posted by:Vivek Gupta - 27 Aug, 2009
58:
claps on u r defence
shrinivas Replied to: Vivek Gupta - 27 Aug, 2009
59:
I totally concur with vivek.There are so many professors in IIT Madras that i know of who have been invited several times to become professors at institutes like MIT and the likes. Some of these professors were alumni who stayed back inspite of better opportunities in terms of pay packages. And as far alumni contribution goes we have plentiful of that too but it mostly goes into infrastructure development like setting up new research centres in our institute.
Subhash Bharadwaj Replied to: Vivek Gupta - 27 Aug, 2009
60:
After reading your comment, I also feel that the other people commenting against IIT-profs are writing pre-maturing without understanding the gravity of the subject.
Yogendra Replied to: Vivek Gupta - 27 Aug, 2009
61:
Well said
Yogi Replied to: Yogendra - 27 Aug, 2009
62: So what Have any IITian has served for our Nation. SO what if they have invented in Foreign Countries? The foreigner's wealth has increased? Have our Country's wealth is increased by these so called IITians. No they study and use our hard earned fellow countrymen taxes and then they go foreign countries and increase theri wealth and do nothing for the home country. Please note that if you are comparing the salary for only IIT professor, Pl compare the national income of USA with that of India.
Posted by:Thiruvalluwar - 27 Aug, 2009
63: The question for Silicon India seems to be that

600,000INR(12000$)in Kanpur,Kharagpur
or
115,509$ in Massachusets, Boston, California

Thats the weirdest comparison that I have ever seen.
Really speaking, if the prof who gets 6lakhs in IIT with around 4 yrs of experience is really eligible for that, he wont stay back in IIT. He would move to US universities.Simple logic.
Since he knows that he is not really eligible for the US universities(Most of them), he stays back in IIT and all this fuss is created.
Just use your brain IITians

A BITSian
Posted by:Paku - 26 Aug, 2009
64:
reply for Paku's comments...
who told you professors in IIT has got 4 yrs of experience...do you even know what it takes to be a professor in IIT along with those degrees he has years of experience in research + a lot teaching exp. which is incomparable to ur pathetic knowledge you will ever gain in ur whole life....and you say they are ineligible for the universities outside.....u seem to be just another jealous fellow...it can be clearly seen from ur last line -"Just use your brain IITians"...if u had used ur brain u would have been with me...
a student from IITB
jjain Replied to: Paku - 27 Aug, 2009
65:
Not every Prof in IIT is eligible for US universities dude.I m not here to fight with you . But thats the fact. Only 10 pc of the whole lot deserves much.
Can a Prof become a Prof in IIT without attaining minimum of 4 yrs of experience? Just jerk off. Thats what I meant
Penultimately, most of the IITians think that all the other ppl are jealous of them. You are one among them. There is no great excuse for it.
Ultimately, try to serve India Mr.IITian. Otherwise, you would face the same "Jealously feeling towards IITian" in your whole life.Just dont foff to US for higher studies or MS. Do it in your own IIT. will you do it? do you see any B.Tech grad from IIT pursuing his M.Tech in IIT again. NO . He flys to US for pursuing MS. I know you will be again one of them. Do you know why he does so? He does it because he(a BTECH from IIT) knows that IIT M.Tech is no valuable due to many reasons.You IITians are eating away the taxes from Indian government and jerking off to US and serving them.

Finally, dude! I am from BITS Pilani. I am not like you guys. I havent eaten any of the Government taxes and I am serving my nation. So,I have no reasons to be jealous of you in simple terms.
Paku Replied to: jjain - 27 Aug, 2009
66:
who so ever is paku (cooked up his brain), really sorry to see that u r leading a fight here, if u do really have a problem with IIT Profs demanding more pay then u should come down to any of the IIT and compare it with urs BITS( c,d,...z class i don't know). U r going to see the difference, its not just clearing JEE that makes u an IITIAN, its the effort that a prof puts into u, its the relationship that he has built.

I clearly understand that why u guys feel 6lpa a huge sum, its all because u can never dream of it.Any prof at IIT usually spend 6 hours a day on various projects in addition to the academic activity. They do deserve it.
IIT Rocks Replied to: Paku - 27 Aug, 2009
67:
oh oh oh oh... just stop ur boasting about urself dude! seems that you are a huge hype guy in your college. First of all you dont know whether "BITS( c,d,...z class i don't know)" comes into which category of colleges. FYI it stands above 3 IITs. Now coming to your 6lpa discussion, Jerk,Do you mean that 6 lpa in India is a less amount? You are really a crack. This is not USA. This is India. WTF you mean by "you guys". Do you think you are a ABDUL KALAM/STEVE JOBS/BILL GATES ? Lets see what you earn as your first salary and where you stand in 3 years down the lane. Never under estimate anyone dude. You are surely gonna pay for your pride in the near future. Stay and watch!

Do you even remember what your 10th class english teacher does now? First these type of teachers should be encouraged and paid more,not the IIT profs.

Mind it!
Paku Replied to: IIT Rocks - 28 Aug, 2009
68:
I do! Prof Ram, Science was Dhara mam I remember other teacher too, if you want i can name them.
I respect them, I visit them often. Prof. Ram improved my enlgish, Dhara mam taught me mechanics.
I even remember my maths teacher of 4th class. but not science teacher...
What I want to say is that, when a teacher shapes your career, you remember them. At least I do.

And the fact is, many IIT profs are really awesome, but some aren't. There aren't enough profs actually. So if we want more awesome profs, we need to give them enough compensation.
I totally understand that 6lpa is not a low package, but what you dont take into account is that they can get 20lpa in industry.
Being selfless is one thing, being impractical is another.

IITians are not Gods, but they are not devils either. The way you are portraying them(*us) is wrong.

NRIs(IITians and non-iitians) play an important role in representing our country elsewhere. We have had major breakthroughs in diplomacy with several countries only because of the NRI lobby + They brought goodwill to our country and money with them. This is a global world... localization of man power is not fruitful. Attracting talent is therefore necessary.

And i am not saying that don't increase the quality of education in other univs... that's necessary too! But don't scrap IIT profs' pay hikes for that!

And yeah, becoming an IIT prof is not even half as hard as securing a 20lpa job. I know this for a fact and so I am stating it.

About all the opportunities that they have: Well, industry gives them the same opportunities too... so does the government to it's ministers, Civil Servants and Military to it's personnel. I bet BITS does that too.

@IIT Rocks
Chill dude!

Mayank Replied to: Paku - 06 Apr, 2010
69:
Common, not everyone is behind money, still there are many dedicated people who place their duty above all and moreover dont belittle the worth of these Profs.I feel pity for people like you who have this notion that anything Western is superior. May be we still carry that baggage of inferiority long after British have gone.
For gods sake wakeup...
Manjunath Patil Replied to: Paku - 27 Aug, 2009
70:
Right said jjain, I did my certification from IIT-Bombay, man the professors are living legends. You cannot beat them. Have you ever thought how they managed to get there? Students are not trained like student-teacher relationship, it's like parent-child relationship. Any student coming out of IIT can easily start his career with 6lakhs. Man, just don't make such nasty comments without knowing what it takes. Be there once to feel the difference.
Prakash Replied to: jjain - 27 Aug, 2009
71:
Hello Prakash
You have totally gone out of the disussion. The disussion is about the salaries of the Profs in IIT and their eligibilities for the same. First see the topic dude. No emotional relationship matter or legendary information is being discussed here.
Paku Replied to: Prakash - 27 Aug, 2009
72:
I mean Paku to stop making nasty comments on professors.
Prakash Replied to: Prakash - 27 Aug, 2009
73:
Mr.Prakash ji

All the IITians are dedicated ppl. Thats why they are there. But they also need to get the reward for their dedication if they are really talented. The only place in the world where dedicated and talented ppl are rewarded most is the US,agree or not, Its a world known fact. That where the weak point of Indian education system,like many other Indian systems,lies.
Paku Replied to: Prakash - 27 Aug, 2009
74:
Paku,
I am commenting on your post as to IIT professors eligibility at US University. Our professors are worth more than what they are receving now. However let me make it clear, they are not bothered about USDs, I have seen them going to remote villages and teach the kids for no gain. They do this usually during the vacation period. How many of us think of doing this for free? So pls stop bad mouthing professors.
Prakash Replied to: Paku - 31 Aug, 2009
75:
Cmon man, all the IITians are dedicated ppl. Thats why they are there. But they also need to get the reward for their dedication if they are really talented. The only place in the world where dedicated and talented ppl are rewarded most is the US,agree or not, Its a world known fact. That where the weak point of Indian education system,like many other Indian systems,lies.
Paku Replied to: Manjunath Patil - 27 Aug, 2009
76: I think the issue is how much an IIT Prof. should get in comparison of other University Prof. in India, as he takes his classes regularly, does a fair amount of research and consultancy, and contributes in running the Institute properly. Fine we get cream but then we we do some value addition so that the finished product coming out of Institute is absorbed in the market. IIT Prof. are not full time researchers and they have good labs but not of world standard, still producing work (Students and research papers) which are cited and have got value. The title of this article is catchy but issue is w.r.t. India.
Posted by: r c mittal - 26 Aug, 2009
77: Why the hell these people are in streets? Lacs of people are still getting less than $1 per day. If u have to compare with US, then compare their courage and their working for nation building and patriotism. We are comparing with US when it comes to salary, not with bribery, cleanliness, and other good things of Western Nations.
Posted by:Sankar - 26 Aug, 2009
78: The question for Silicon India seems to be that

600,000INR(12000$)in Kanpur,Kharagpur
or
115,509$ in Massachusets, Boston, California

Thats the wierdiest comparision that I have ever seen.
Really speaking, if the prof who gets 6lakhs in IIT with around 4 yrs of experience is really eligible for that, he wont stay back in IIT. He would move to US universities.Simple logic.
Since he knows that he is not really eligible for the US universties(Most of them), he stays back in IIT and all this fuss is created.
Just use your brain IITians

A BITSian
Posted by:Paku - 26 Aug, 2009
79: Of course professors have helped their students and continue to do so. However the IITians mentioned have all made their money as entrepreneurs ... and we all know the risks an entrepreneur faces. Why not the profs also be more enterprising and do some ENTREPRENEUR work to gain extra money. For every 1 student who does well, there must be 100s who are now out of job: so these students out of job also were coached by same professors: Will the prof take a pay cut for every student who is out of job and not doing well?

In all companies the employee gets 30 to 40% less than what he was promised, or deserved: so if the profs get their salary hike (in these times of recession), will the Govt pass a law saying that all other companies must also restore salaries of employees?

Tough times call for tough people to take different perspective and lead the nation OUT of recession trends: instead of crying like babies and demanding more just for themselves.
Posted by:Amm - 26 Aug, 2009
80:
Not to forget that these Profs get all the modern amneities such as luxrious housing at minimal, and schooling for their kids.

Above all they mint their money through their consulting jobs (the work is derived from students itself)

And most of these here are professors because they dont have options like any other brainies, and also it is illogical to compare their paypackages to USD packages. If we all need quivalent USD payscale then its better we earn it in US and not here.

And for doctrate students most of these profs blackmail them out of their abilities, till they hand over them the doctrate.
Amrut Replied to: Amm - 27 Aug, 2009
81:
Saddest post I could have imagined

1) Get your facts right: Only very few IIT profs do consulancy. It's a common thing in US not India.
2) Profs don's use student's research... If they do, they name the person too. And I personally would be mega lucky if my prof does that to me.
3) Blackmailing... seriously? DON'T SAY THINGS WITH A BASE!
Mayank Replied to: Amrut - 06 Apr, 2010
82: This may sound skeptical but one should not deny the fact, out of these IITians how may of them works for the nation building.
All those teachers who are conservatively these brain builders (who finally going to serve developed countries either by staying within India or somewhere else) helps in country development.
One can’t completely deny their relevance or contribution but in accordance to their U.S. counterpart unfortunately this ratio isn’t even comparable.
So in my opinion it’s relentless on the part of teachers.
Posted by:Himanshu Sharma - 26 Aug, 2009
83: HI to everyone,
Guess most of the people who have written over this blog, were IITian's, or some way or the other related to IIT's.
It's sad to see that even people of such repute, are in the same cycle of condem'ng each other.
Alway's the other side of the hill is green, It's our understanding to take a irrational cource, and best judge.

Guy's lets be practical, and put a valid question.
It's human tendency to choose what suit's him the best.
Many grad's who wanna stick back to the nation and propel it's growth stay back, the choices are individualistic in nature.

I beleive no person is good or bad, it's the situations or circumstances which make him a bad person, or a good one.

Let's create the situations or oppurtunities which make this country great, and able attract or retain the immense talent.

This article is yet another situation or a decision of a politician who is not of merit, who is mostly uneducated, or work of a highly ethical, educated and agressive policy maker(IAS) officers, who are compelled to work under an uneducated minister.

Let's fight this incompetant leader, and his policies, rather than in fighiting.
Posted by:P.Sai Krishna - 26 Aug, 2009
84: This is not a good article, dont compare professors in US and India. US is already a well developed country and their revenues are much higher than us. How can you compare salaries in US and India.
Posted by:Sarath - 26 Aug, 2009
85: kya bakwaas hai. There is lots to do but media would like to use their skills and power in this crap only.

Illogical strikes and hype. Such catchy headings only to get attention.

No doubt with such advertising capabilities we are landing no where.
Posted by:Neha - 26 Aug, 2009
86:
I have closely watched IIT profs.. ..They have been given lavish duplex flat in a lush green IIT campuses..approx rent for such flat in such prime location should be > 50,000 per month...and they get this for peanuts...on building the talent.. people who qualify for IIT are cream of the system and what value these professors can add to this cream other than providing them notes for the topic. Also most of the classes in these IITs have been taken by the students who are doing PHD... and most of the time these prof are busy doing in some govt. sponsored project and don't even take their regular classes... We can't compare the salary packages of prof with their students as the kind of time and effort these iit grads puts in their job, these prof don't even put 10% of that...so whatever they get in terms of salary and perks is one of the best and govt should not have trouble in attracting new talent who can take care of upcoming IITs in India...If these old prof wants to compare their salary with their students then let these prof should reach atleast 50% of the effort which their students make in their job...
Sunil Replied to: Neha - 26 Aug, 2009
87:
I am an IITian.. And I totally disagree! Every word of the above post is not only wrong but also hurtful.
Mayank Replied to: Sunil - 06 Apr, 2010
88: IItains,IItains...IItian wherevr IItians are compared to the best of the world they are generally the students either under-graduates or grauates.Have we ever heard any successful name of Professor who has been compared with the best of the world.I am not in against that their pay shouldnt be revised but I strongly condemn the attitute of media and general people who are comparing the pay scale of an IIT prof. with a prof in US.I will say if you want to compare then compare everything payscale,currency value,facilities,burden of job....evrything not only salary.
Posted by:mohan - 26 Aug, 2009
89:
There are many profs who are renowned world wide. Just that you got to be in the academia to know about them. May be lack of publicity.
For eg: see www.ams.org/notices/200305/fea-bornemann.pdf
I suggest you read this article for a famous result result from a group of indians, including a prof from IIT.
Raven Replied to: mohan - 26 Aug, 2009
90:
Especially please read stuff written under the heading "The Media Pipeline" on page 6.
Raven Replied to: Raven - 26 Aug, 2009
91:
Hello Mohan,
there r plenty of Prof who are well known in whole world in their field.. So, plz don't say ki profs are not well known to the world. I personally know couple of profs who r the champ in their field. Indeed you cant compare US and Indian prof salary, as most of the uni in US are private and backed by the Industrial funding.. Also, let me take you around 60 years back when the pay commission of India approved the prof salary, was quiet handsome.By the time, the increment or increase in prof salary was not hiked in the same way, as it should be. This is typical Indian mentality arre bad main kar lenge ..abhi rahne do.. What we are facing in India today is the result of those pending increments. I hope, if Indian industry and Govt put their money on R&D than only we can expect the better salary. But at that time, we should also expect lots of new innovations from professors.
Ratnesh Replied to: Raven - 27 Aug, 2009
92:
Have you heard of Dr. Ashok Jhunjhunwala considered to be the 14th most powerful man in India by Forbes and is currently in the board of directors of SBI. He is also a professor here at IITM
Sam Replied to: Ratnesh - 27 Aug, 2009
93: Well in India, the teaching profession is generally taken by those who don't land up in good paying jobs. It is generally the scenario whether in IITs or NITs. It is a very hard fact but people has to accept it. Wherever in Universities in US or Germany for example take only those as professors who are academically brilliant and has a proven experience in industry and that's why they land up with a higher paying job. How many professors of IIT and IIM are giving their net intelligence into industry, hardly 10% or may be less. There is a difference between the books and the real world. Reading out few verses from the book and categorically establish those facts is not a difficult thing. How many of these professors have contributed in the upliftment of Industry or Society? The answer will again be very few. It is one's individual contribution (read students) that actually allow them to get a high salary job. Their attitude and aptitude allows them to achieve the success. And it is not only IITs and IIMs students who are on the top of the world, there are many institutes from where people are graduating and making success stories. So it means all those institutes who's students are making success stories shall get pay at par with IIT's and IIM's Profs.
And lets take up one more scenario that is of the real corporate world. For example a team from the corporate world is responsible for making a product which has driven the markets crazy and made the cash registers of the company ringing. So does it mean that the salary of that team shall be made equivalent to the salary of the CEO of the company. I am not saying that they should not be rewarded. They should be and they are indeed in terms of appreciation, some cash benefits but that depends on how much each individual has contributed. The lead is appreciated higher because of the contributions he had made. Same is true with the institutions. It is not mentioned that how much money and power the directors of these institutes are enjoying. The director of these institutes enjoys no less power than of an high profile IAS officer placed in the ministry. The issue has been blown out of proportions. Its always the individual contribution that creates a success story. Yes, I don't deny the fact that it is the people around him who helps him to reach that level but that does not mean that each of those contributions be rewarded in the same manner. Did we ever thought about those school teachers who get us into IITs? Did we ever thought of those parents who has lived their hardships bringing in the intellect and nurturing him through out? The answer might be no. But the media has one responsibility i.e. to blow out any issue out of the proportions to get the fame.
Posted by:Saurabh Jain - 26 Aug, 2009
94:
Your thought process is really biased by the fact that your own university has faculty members that are really bunch of morons.
Go check out the list of faculty of IIT Delhi and you would find people having exceptionally bright track record.
eg. Prof. Naveen Garg he's showing right path to many organizations of repute along with teaching.
I think currently you are making money in some company
and you think the qualities u have they profs do not have.
You think the soft skills that u have are above everything.
Have you heard the name of Pankaj Jalote from IIT Kanpur
He's been working for Microsoft for many years and now he's in teaching profession.Google him and see the fact.
And now let's talk about "profs not doing anything for country and mankind"
Who makes policies for welfare of country?obviously our govt.
If govt is not offering them any such project how can they contribute?Do you expect,they do research spending their own hard-earned money?
In countries like US universities regularly get such projects for govt & private sector.
archer Replied to: Saurabh Jain - 26 Aug, 2009
95:
your comment "the teaching profession is generally taken by those who don't land up in good paying jobs. It is generally the scenario whether in IITs or NITs", proves you comes from a third grade university.. to become a prof at IIT's you need a PhD from a well known and acknowledged university and a good track record.. Usually those who choose to become a prof are high intellect individuals.
ved Replied to: Saurabh Jain - 26 Aug, 2009
96:
My dear friend, it seems you have never been into these institutes. For your Kind information, I am from one of those premier institutes only, batch of 2K. If you would have been from one of those institutes, you would have got to know the exact reality of the professors.
Saurabh Replied to: ved - 26 Aug, 2009
97: There were many comments below indicating that indian profs are no good compared to their US counterparts. Well even if this is true, have you ever wondered why it is so? The good ones go over to the US. Other give up academia and get into industry. The few remaining good ones are those who don't really care for money. But the fact is that majority of them do care for money. So if situations don't change, this outflow would only increase. Thus if you want to see good profs in India, then you got to pay them. If not, the so called premier institutes of the country would go down the drain. It is a vicious circle: bad pay would get you bad profs.
Posted by:Raven - 26 Aug, 2009
98:
Its fact that IIT profs will never get what their counter parts gets in US. So if any of these profs wish go to the US they will go,if money is the motive of their life.There would be Institutions in India also,would be paying better salary than what gov pay to these IIT profs. And any way These talented people only advocate free market principle.They talk about demand-supply rules. So if they become so demanding they will get what the diserve in monetary terms. Teaching is very noble job and very respectable job in India. Profs should not compare their salary with what people get in corporate. First because they dont face the everyday challege of corporate,and kind of job insecurities people face in corporate.These profs have the respect,decent salary and other perks.They should think about how they can contribute to uplift the living standard of fellow citizes also.
Navin Replied to: Raven - 27 Aug, 2009
99: This is not a good report. If you compare according to the currency of India and US then its not correct because US professors are earning $115000 in its own currency but if you calculate the IIT professors salary in INR then its not very low , its $12,000 that means its 12000 * 45 = 5,40,000INR. that means US is far behind in salary in compare to our figure.
Posted by:chandan - 26 Aug, 2009
100:
Dear Chandan,

Seems your logic is compltely out of place when making this comparison. If you want to say the INR 5,40,000 is more than in value to USD 115000. then perhaps you are too naive about the market economy or the basic currency valuation fundamentals. while comparing you have to bring the two values on the same scale of measurement. You cannot say 10kg is bigger than 7 feet or 100 liters is equal to 1.2 kms. The point raised in the report is very vaild as has been supported by the others in theor comments. While One Dollar in US can buy you a decent meal or a ride in the subway. You cannot expect the same benefits one derive in India with One Rupee coin. and if you do still wnat to make that comparison then the USD 115000 becomes INR 57,50,000 more than 10 times the Indian profs salary and the cost of living in US is approximately 2.5 - 4 times that in India. So in that sense the salary of the US Prof is still more than 25 Lakh INR again much much more than the poor Indian Prof.
Fardin Replied to: chandan - 26 Aug, 2009
101:
@ Chandan: Dude, have u ever heard a concept of PPP - Purchase Power Parity and you can't compare on currency exchange rate.To give you an example, some of the electronic and FMCG goods are in fact economical in US while some of the services are expensive. So it becomes a basket of goods which is covered under PPP and then u compare te purchasing power.
Rohit Tuteja Replied to: chandan - 26 Aug, 2009
102:
Rohit: Dude no offense but when the cost of living(Or simply Expenses) and earning is comapred to US then India = US/10 that means if you are saving/earning/spending Re 1 in US its equal to Rs 10 in India.
So according to this statistics Indian professors are earning 12,000 X 10 = 120,000 And I think its almost as better as 115,509
Abhi Replied to: Rohit Tuteja - 26 Aug, 2009
103: Its a tricky situation, asking the govt to pay a higher salary to the Professors, because they produce bright students who make it really big in the society. I have a few suggestion,

IITs or IIMs should become more participative in th economy. They should tieup with the industry local, national, from developed and developing economies to provide consulting, research or other activities. This will increase the income of individual IITs/IIMs. This income is a result of the direct input of the professors, students and management. A part of this income should be retained by the individual institute (for increasing infrastructure), and the rest distributed among those who took up these research or assignment. With this, smart professors and students will make way more than thier salaries. The institute will also make good money, which it can use for its infra development.

So in coming years, each IIT will compete with each other for the best students and best professors. And the industry will select the IIT based on the best team
Posted by:Ameen Ahsan - 26 Aug, 2009
104:
I am agreeing with the point Ameen, but the thing here is...if these profs are going to do the research or consulting job...it is gonnu be an impact on the lectures or sessions they take..

I doubt on the feasibility of this idea
aashish Replied to: Ameen Ahsan - 26 Aug, 2009
105:
you are indeed right:
This is the point made in the NDTV panel discussion. Almost all IITs and IIMs are having sufficient revenues ( form students, industries and consultancies). They can fund them self and can fix their salary their own!.
In fact, these are the only " rich" places in any govt educational/research institutes.
IIT is getting loads of money from
raj Replied to: Ameen Ahsan - 26 Aug, 2009
106: Half truth. I don't see any truth in the content of the article.If you really want to go with data pull out the entire list of graduates over the years and highlight those who have actually made a mark like the names you have dropped in the article. You seem to have completely overlooked an individuals strengths and drive which contribute most to peak performance and grand success.Does this help bring some semblance. Reflective journalism, shall we say?
Posted by:Deep Bali - 26 Aug, 2009
107: IITians wake up, your profs are on street.
It is not true... Well if you are comparing the salaries then one should compare the expenses here and in US only then you will get correct picture. Because it is only one side of mirror.
This is confusing fact which is half true....
Posted by:Jitendra Kumar - 26 Aug, 2009
108: So, you guys like to see IIT professors going on a strike, huhm.. What an useless comparison.. Don't you have anything else to publish..
Posted by:Ram - 26 Aug, 2009
109: Professors in IITs do not write competitive grants as much as they do here in the US. In addition, they get the best students filtered after an intense entrance exam. What is left for them is to just deliver lectures from text books written by others. Retention is not a concern.

Tenure and promotion criteria are very demanding here. Professors also do a lot of institute service, serve on reviews, and connect with industry.
Posted by:Santosh - 26 Aug, 2009
110:
I strongly agree with you santosh. It is the intelligence of students that bring them up. They start preparing from their secondary school itself. The professors ain't preparing them.
Ram Replied to: Santosh - 26 Aug, 2009
111:
I think you didn't even visit IIT once mostly professors of IITs......
What ever student learn here is taught by prof with some standard........
mahendra Replied to: Ram - 26 Aug, 2009
112:
If you have graduated from a good college, you would know the difference. Good education does not come out of the books. You need experienced people: people who can guide you, nurture you. Lots of these IITians themselves would admit that they are what they are because of what they learned from their professors. The professors are preparing them. There are good profs and bad ones here and in US.
Raven Replied to: Ram - 26 Aug, 2009
113:
The role of professors at IITs is not merely limited to academics, though they do excel in that. Since most students live on campus as do the profs, professors are mentors and students are radically influenced by their hero professors during their stints. Career and character decisions are made on campus. None of that can be taken lightly in terms of value.
Srikumar Replied to: Raven - 26 Aug, 2009
114: U cannot compare directly. The currency and the place is different. Then if you compare chinese salary in USD to US salary, chinese should hang themselves. Every country has its own living cost and standard. By the way you can compare anyone's salary to equivalent US professional. For the time being, compare yours in USD
Posted by:vikram - 26 Aug, 2009
115: It is your bad karma if you are working in india only the goondas working for politicians make good money others who are dependent on government did bad deeds in last life so then you live and work in India. I do not understand why indian government is so stingy it can rather pay well and employees can also have a good life style but they rather make them suffer. Sadistic minister and sadistic policy and if you don't have a job then you don't get any money from government and all the taxes you paid are waste there is no help
Posted by:Krishnan - 26 Aug, 2009
116: ok people. i think the reporter here has just placed facts. its up to you how you want to evaluate. since it has been mentioned that the cost of living is higher in the US- it clearly shows that only facts have been laid out for our knowledge.
Posted by:saijal - 26 Aug, 2009
117: I lived in IIT madras for 15 years, since my dad works there. I completely agree with the above article. The pay package of the profs is just too low. A BTech from IIT gets a minimum of 45,000 in his first job.And a Prof in IIT gets the same amount close to his retirement. Its sad! Free internet to staff of IIT was given just 4 years back. Increase the pay of a prof based on the number of publications he has... Based on the number of patents he has...This would be mutually beneficial.
Posted by:sindhu - 26 Aug, 2009
118:
I think professors get a house to live in a serence environment. Have a nice workplace and they are the bosses at their workplace. Look at the amenities at IIT campuses. No Btech can afford such a luxury for whatever he earns. Plus, look at the retirement benefits. Also, many profs do work with industry and make a cool sum. Know the facts first.
If they want the same package face the same circumstances, too. Don't just compare the salary dude. Live in reality. Grow up. Stop complaining.
Not important Replied to: sindhu - 26 Aug, 2009
119:
OI think you should check your facts again.Further the B-Tech is paid because the market is ready to pay. In the case of IIT Professors you should compare the number of papers/IP etc comming out of these institutes and then compare it with those comming out of top US universities and then you will feel whether paying 45000 is alo worth.
Jairaj Replied to: sindhu - 26 Aug, 2009
120: IIT professors are not on the streets, They are living in the hearts of every IITan. Our education system is much better than US education system. Good education for every indian is only possible by reducing cost out of our education system, It possible only by commitment of prof's, reduction of costs in all ways, innovation.
Posted by:Redhat - 26 Aug, 2009
121: We in India have this stupid system for IITs. Free education, Free top of the art labs and free hosteling and all the products fly the day the finishes the college to make US dollars.

Since our government does not have any vision about the nation, we run stupid and our professors are paid poor.

Every organization shoudl be self sustainable. Why don't they charge a good amount from students?

(If you look at it, most of the students coming there are brilliant and from well to do families. Unless you spent some lakhs, you can nto pass the IIT exams(training))
Posted by:Ithin - 26 Aug, 2009
122:
Dear Mr. Ithin, when you so stupidly complain about the IIT products that go abroad, you insult the majority IITians who stay here and contribute to the industry, serve the nation by joining the Public Sector or the Administrative Services, teach at the IITs or do hardcore social work on the ground. It is not your fault as the media focuses only on those people who went abroad and became successful and not those who stayed here and made a difference to the lives of millions. For example, the Right to Information Act was passed because an IITian and social worker Mr. Arvind Kejriwal campaigned extensively for that. There are so many examples but cynical and ignorant people like you will do nothing but sit at your home and criticize others who are actually doing something positive for others. Along with the politicians, it is the ignorant and self-opinionated people like you, due to whom our nation is in such a bad shape. Look at your own actions before pointing fingers at others.
Achintya Nath Sexena Replied to: Ithin - 26 Aug, 2009
123:
Dear Achintya, on contrary to what you said, majority of iitians (about 80%) go abroad.
Raven Replied to: Achintya Nath Sexena - 26 Aug, 2009
124:
Incorrect Stats!
--Please check your sources
Mayank Replied to: Raven - 06 Apr, 2010
125:
If you define success by the amount of US $ a person has made, then yes, IIT graduates are far more successful than the profs who have taught them in college. But IITs were simply not conceived in such terms. However, the disparity in prof pay and their graduates is now so extreme, that something must be done. Agreed if you add up all the benefits (medical, accomodation, etc.), the disparity is less, and the love of teaching in a suitable environment should eclipse the paltry pay structure, but that is not the reality nowadays.
Brij Replied to: Achintya Nath Sexena - 26 Aug, 2009
126: Just come to the IITs and you will know how far is this true. Professors over here donot get the facilities to sharpen their skills unlike those in the western parts. And today when you say U.S. profesors have more brains, its because more than half of our talents steps out of this country or donot go for the profession. Sole reason, Lack of Pay. Had anyone ever put their thoughts on the pangs in the lives of this notable class, all the commentators who say there is a lack of quality in Indian professors to get such pay, would have been mum today.

The guru shishya bond that we say to pray, lies only as a sacred philosophy and not a sacred duty. How many would ever care for the lives of the professors? not even 1% so we have to fight on our own.
Posted by:M Krishnan - 26 Aug, 2009
127: If you are comparing salaries of US and Indian University Professors, also compare the fees the students pay. I graduated from one of the IIT a few years ago, and paid INR 12 000 per semester. Do you see where that compares with what a student pays at a US university? You can't expect the government to fund everything. People talk of the students and professors at IIT. But one of the greatest things at an IIT is the resources it offers - computer labs, the library, online subscriptions to journals. All this is provided for by government funding already. Few other institutes in India can even think of comparing their resources with one of the IITs. And it's not just academic resources. Even extra curricular ones like sports facilities and hobby groups. No one disagrees professors deserve more, but just blaming the government without trying to understand it's view is childish. As for US-Indo comparisons and sensationalism, enough has been said in other comments.
Posted by:Anshuman - 26 Aug, 2009
128: US professors have more brain than Indian..
Posted by:shery - 26 Aug, 2009
129:
yeah shery We understood you dont have brain.... :)
Indain Replied to: shery - 27 Aug, 2009
130:
This is perfectly wrong... Indian Brain has no match in the world.. they grab the best places wherever they go and that's why some countries have become possessive about their own country graduates... Indians are best!
Atul Replied to: shery - 26 Aug, 2009
131:
An Indian or anyone who has any idea about Indian professors commenting this is the biggest fool on the planet earth.
Amulya Gurtu Replied to: shery - 26 Aug, 2009
132:
Dude lots of the so called US professors are indians !
Raven Replied to: shery - 26 Aug, 2009
133: The reporter has done a pretty bad job with the $12000 number. Currently, a professor having over 15 or more years of experience at an IIT gets that salary. New faculty, typically get $6000 or less(-taxes) (Rs 25000 per month).

Now consider the fact that the faculty at IIT are churning out 100s of undergraduates every year who get an annual average salary of more than $15000.

Also consider the fact that new faculty at IIT routinely have competing offers from competing universities abroad, and companies abroad.
Posted by:SChat - 26 Aug, 2009
134: What a silly post. SiliconIndia needs to be more qualitative in their writing. Although I agree that professors should be paid more, but what's with the sensationalism here? "IITians wake up, your profs are on street" and all? and $12000 vs $X amount US salary? as others have said, thats a stupid comparison.
Please raise issues on their merit. Don't turn them into a K serial
Posted by:Ankit Chandra - 26 Aug, 2009
135:
I agree. For SI its always about comparing everything with US. I wonder some times do articles like these get them more readers?
kumar Replied to: Ankit Chandra - 26 Aug, 2009
136: Obviously, Zoya Anna Thomas could have done a better job of writing the case for better salary for IIT faculty. Looks like most of the readers have focused on the "comparison with U.S. salaries". The debate got derailed.
Posted by:Srinivasan - 26 Aug, 2009
137:
this is the maturity & quality of Indian journalism. they do not know what to write and how to put their point forward.
Amulya Gurtu Replied to: Srinivasan - 26 Aug, 2009
138: Before going on just comparing the salaries of IIT profs and US profs, we have to compare the other counts as well. The quality research output from the US univesrities and IITs should also be compared. Also how many IIT profs are Nobel laureates, or have at least produced papers with high impact? While in the US you can see such in plenty.
Posted by:Jay - 26 Aug, 2009
139:
Dear Mr. Jay, what is the facility or the incentive available in India for people to do high quality research ?
In a country where the top career is that of a government bureaucrat what do you expect ? Do we as a society give due respect to our teachers and researchers ? The answer is a big NO and we as a society leave no stone unturned in humiliating our scientists , teachers and researchers and treat them as third class citizens. And you expect Nobel Laureates from such a society ?
Achintya Nath Sexena Replied to: Jay - 26 Aug, 2009
140:
Well I think you are grossly unaware of research output from our country. For example the long standing deep question of existence of polytime algorithm from primality test was solved by Indians: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AKS_primality_test. Lots of indians have definitely gone abroad and produced many such results. The question is why didn't they do it here? Because our country didn't give them what they wanted. Lots of these so called US profs are of Indian origin. For other such important results see http://scienceblogs.com/pontiff/2009/07/omg_qippspace.php
http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=808695
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myhill%E2%80%93Nerode_theorem
So in effect, if the government does not give what they want, they would go to places where they get what they want.
Raven Replied to: Jay - 26 Aug, 2009
141: I agree that the salary is less for educating the brightest minds in our country. But, cannot expect Gov to pay them as in US.IIT Professors deserve a minimum of 25000 USD per annum for building up the brightest minds in the country. After all.. They are working for Our Nation. Consider Them.
Posted by:Sunil - 26 Aug, 2009
142: Dear reporter, please stop such senseless comparisons. In the US a journalist with 5-9 years of experience earns 30-50k USD per annum. Do you expect to earn that in India? Would you then write another report titled Indians wake up, your journalists are on street?
Posted by:samir - 26 Aug, 2009
143: I read below comments,those are really hurting. An IIT professor is getting 6L/Annum and the students from IIT are getting a salary of Min 10L/Annum at trainee level...You people want more salary, but your teachers dont? what you will get with 6L in india? 6L means after all deductions he may get approx 35000/-... right? For that does he need to do PhD?
School teachers are getting 15000/- as a starting salary after completion of their probation....

What my feeling is nobody can not estimate the teacher's efforts. Right now there is a lot of scarcity for faculty...If the situation continue like this, next generations education will be poor...
PS: I am an M.Tech graduate from a reputated university and I served to a reputed engineering college for six years with a salary ranging from 12-15 thousands. Because of that salary only I left that profession and I am in consulting profession.... I earned that six years income in 6 months :-)
Posted by:John - 26 Aug, 2009
144: Before comparing salary, please compare the prices of basis things in both the countries. How much a genral House costs? A rail ticket in the UK for travelling 200 KM costs RS 4,000 while in India not even RS 400.

You pay RS 60,000 for a 2 room apartment in the UK/US while you pay RS 16,000 in India.

You pay RS 80 for one brinjal in UK/US while in India you can get 10 KG of brinjal (eggplant).

Please also compare all these.
Posted by:Ramesh - 26 Aug, 2009
145:
Dear Mr. Ramesh, do these comparisons of yours justify that IIT professors deserve lower pay than Professors of UGC administered Universities ?
Achintya Nath Sexena Replied to: Ramesh - 26 Aug, 2009
146: This is completely sensilization of news without any susbstance. Comparing USA salaries with Indian salaries without context and full picture is stupid. This not to suggest or conclude that I am against increase in salary for professors that too at IIT. How about a comparison of maid servents at every IIT professor's home with no maid servents at most of the USA professor's home? Why because professors earning $115,000 in US cannot afford it? Who has better quality of life with the money they are earning?
Posted by:Amulya Gurtu - 26 Aug, 2009
147:
Dear Mr. Ramesh, do these comparisons of yours justify that IIT professors deserve lower pay than Professors of UGC administered Universities ?
Achintya Nath Sexena Replied to: Amulya Gurtu - 26 Aug, 2009
148: Personally I also feel that the Professors from those esteem institutes should be getting some good package. But we shouldn't compare to the average US package $115,509, we should also take the cost of living in account.
Posted by:Darring - 26 Aug, 2009
149: Why dont you compare with Vietname where the salary might be very low? Why only US? Please dont do this comparison.
Posted by:Premkumar - 26 Aug, 2009
150:
do u know what have u written
do u intend to move on from developing to underdeveloped
or ur starting salary as 5lpa and then reduced every yr
that is what comparing with vietnam instead of US
THINK BEFORE U INK.
IIT ROCKS Replied to: Premkumar - 27 Aug, 2009
151:
Hi Lots of fuss going on comparison with other nations salary etc ........please do one more comparison ......i m a son of NSG commando...and know what he earns....Why no one compare there salary to a US commando.....u will find the difference does this imply my father should start fighting for America .......is it have any sense which most of the professional doing ..........Please looking forward for comments posses some sense ......if we talk let us talk for everyone each one has his specialization in his own field..........Thanks
Punit Replied to: Premkumar - 27 Aug, 2009
152:
So increase their salary too! Army as well as IITs are short of personnel!
Mayank Replied to: Punit - 06 Apr, 2010
153: Don't the faculty also get free accomodation (nice apartments in a beautiful setting by Indian standards)? I bet they also get free electricity, free phone, no property tax and many other fringe benefits which do not exist in the US. Also, $12000 seems like a pretty good salary by Indian standards.
Posted by:Charlie - 26 Aug, 2009
154: It is futile to discuss this topic when people don't see the reason. Do we have any such comparison for other fields / professions as brought out by the learned reader AKS? It is a fact, academicians in India are ill-paid that is why we are unable to attract talent and we are losing out our best professors. I know few capable candidates refusing to accept such academic posts simply for the reason - lower salaries. If you want to produce best brains in India, you need best academicians. If you want best academicians or attract best new talent to academic field, pay best. No comparison with cost of living, buying power, etc. etc. Even within India, I know MCAs and other graduate degree holders working in IT industry, receiving anywhere between Rs.15 lakhs to Rs.40 lakhs per year! One may say they contribute to their company to make money and hence they are paid. Our professors also produce best talents in the country and they need to be paid. As long as have such 'comparative' mentality, we will ever remain only 'at the bottom' of world class economy.
Posted by:Arvindh Kumar - 26 Aug, 2009
155: The statement "- a paltry $12,000" without proper context/perspective is inadequate.

The article should have also mentioned average experience (in terms of # of years as professor) as well as average level of education.

Also, to put the things in perspective the article should've included the cost of living as well as the buying power.

The article should also have mentioned which social strata does $115,509/year in US v/s Rs.576,000/year (at an assumed exchange rate of $1=Rs.48) place the professors in their respective society for just comparison of the salaries.
Posted by:AKS - 26 Aug, 2009
156:
I don't even understand why we compare our data with US data. The conditions are completely different. One thing globalization has put in our blood is this comparison.. the sole reason of brain drain, the sole reason of unbalanced social structure.. why don't we understand that they are getting as much as they need and being an IITian I easily can estimate their income through several other sources. So it's just not even a topic of discussion comparing our data with US. Long since we have been doing this and have been forgetting about a huge mass of India dying under the strong sun and cold moon. So I would strongly and humbly request you to put your thoughts to something that has meaning attached and at the same time would request the professors to focus on what is intended from an institute like IIT.
Manoj Replied to: AKS - 26 Aug, 2009
157:
Dear Mr. Manoj, what is intended from an IIT is that it will provide quality education and research output which is comparable to the best in the world. If they can do it, fine, and if they cannot, they will simply die and you will not be able to say to anyone proudly anymore that you are an IITian. Being an IITian myself I am appalled at the insensitivity that IITians show towards their professors' compensation packages and being an Indian, I am appalled at the lack of respect that we Indians have towards teachers and Professors. This when we have a strong tradition of honouring our Gurus and Acharyas. This shows that the land of India is now so selfish , ungrateful and materialistic that it considers a teacher to be no more than an intellectual beggar.
Achintya Nath Sexena Replied to: Manoj - 26 Aug, 2009
158:
hi Achintya, I dont think the Guru, Acharya thing is applicable in the current IITs, I have been there and I can without doubt say these professors are just a means to complete the degree more like a formality you have to endure, all the learning is done by the students themselves.
I am not against the pay-hike, but definitely these people are not what the article makes them look like.
Rakesh Sharma Replied to: Achintya Nath Sexena - 27 Aug, 2009
159:
There is a scarcity of good technologists in India.
There is a scarcity of good teachers in India.
Technology is the only way out for us.

We need to pay better salaries to our teachers and research assistants if we are to be competitive.

An alternative is to start an institute like the Fraunhofer Society in germany. Which is a group of private centres of excellence in Applied sciences which earn money as well as educate and the max plank institute which are the ones of pure science funded by the industries & defence
Chandramouli Replied to: Manoj - 26 Aug, 2009
160:
well said Mouli . the so called professors there lack also the initiative, and any one who did not study in IIT excuse me . the prof if were so sacrificing and contributors , i know the truth , the money given by alumnis are eaten by directors and if they are so why dont they apply themselves for private jobs.. they want permanency and so on. for writing a appraisal they tease the people in IIT , for them and in IIM even some professors say it out showing their jealousy to students, do the IIT students deserve it.. iam in India and earn good , though not comparitive to India, but form the day i joined to till this day i slog my arse out every day , also know that getting another 8 IITs will only make them common , and so then they deserve the pay the get, if they want more let them fight ..iam not stopping them to get more ..but i ask are the people really doing something for it..Excuse me dear some professors who really contribute to Humanity. We cannot let all other professors to earn same as these people who really slog for betterment, and more all IITians who claimed if real for India generated people , do you think they come back , so search the companys you will find out in Chennai Nandanam , a real IIT guy go ask him what it needs to make a difference to come back in Recessiona after a decade in USA with a huge title in a huge company, then write anything you can... dare to face anything , also have face to bear atleast something..India is at fault from last 20 yrs , did you do anything apart writing such nonsense..In India people are to be cared are on real streets not literature wise..make a difference there .. They dont even earn a 50rs a day ..observe the cobbler his customer retention and care..are they not teaching us lessons.. did our parents not teach us what is to strive and take a stridde.. Dont be idiots , watch the surrounding around us.. not even tsunamis can wash the dirt of the minds and streets... do we need tsunamis ..we suffered one till 1947..go invite one more...Before any one asks me what am i doing.. if anyone interested then i will give you my adress and come with me i will take you to show what i do...then you speak about yourself.. i do all i spend 2000 rs for the education of two children for every month..did this even when i didnot have a job... to do is somehting to keep thinking is forever a job... do something guys dont waste time and chance..
Indian Replied to: Chandramouli - 26 Aug, 2009
161:
In India Most of the professors are their job out of their physical problem or inability to cope up with the industrial jobs. Think about it how can someone be a professor if he is paid more to work less in industries.

The lack of professors or quality professors is going to become a more immense problem in coming days. Can any one imagine someone to work at so low salary just to teach and just thinking about the development of the country.

I think the best solution to the problem can only be increasing their pay scale and providing them a better standard of living. This would not only motivate the current employees but would also attract the people working in various industries in India and abroad. Think of how nice it would be if our engineers are taught by real engineers who have a great deal of real life practical experience.

So far as the problem of decreasing the cost in IITs is considered. There should be some rules binding the students who are leaving the country for any reason after completing their studies from any Top class institutes like IIT, IIM, AIIMS etc, to pay the extra cost the Indian government incurred during their coarse of Studies. This will give a win-win situation as those who are leaving the country would be contributing to the Universities they studied in and those who are residing will surely be contributing to the Country.
Ritesh Mishra Replied to: Chandramouli - 26 Aug, 2009
162:
IITian Professor get pay much more than the regular payscale of government ,Even IITian professor getting research fund more than the pay , They manage the expenditure through fund and salary remain, even they get travelling expenditure and facility as A1 standard.As compare to US, Indian expenditure is much more less in non metro city, and little bit higher in metro city, Government has provide residencial facility, cooperative facility and much more, now think really they worth for this.
pramod Replied to: Ritesh Mishra - 26 Aug, 2009
163:
sat naam peace
foolest fool Replied to: pramod - 26 Aug, 2009
164:
Hi , Everyone
i would like to stress on only one issue

1 dollars = 48 rupees


what is the standard living in india compared to other foreign country .

Common the comparison is too " RAW "
Sreeharsha Aithal Replied to: foolest fool - 27 Aug, 2009
165:
My mother saw a documentary on an old 90 yr old woman in Kerala who has a mentally challenged grandson,who cant work .At the age of 90, she pushes a ironing vehicle to support her only grandson. When my mom phoned up the director and asked to contact the old lady , she said she gets Rs 50 a day and makes gruel for her grandson. She doesnt want to beg ,so she does this.
I respect the IIT prof's knowledge and commitment but not the IIT'an who goes to the US. Dont worry profs you are not so bad off..after all vidhya dhanam sarva dhanal pradhanam. You people have that ,what else matters?
I am not an IITan or a BITS'ian ,I work in an indian electronics MNC which makes a lot of forex for India every day.
Nan Replied to: Sreeharsha Aithal - 27 Aug, 2009
166:
HI Lots of fuss going on comparison with other nations salary etc ........please do one more comparison ......i m a son of NSG commando...and know what he earns....Why no one compare there salary to a US commando.....u will find the difference does this imply my father should start fighting for America .......is it have any sense which most of the professional doing ..........Please looking forward for comments posses some sense ......if we talk let us talk for everyone each one has his specialization in his own field..........Thanks
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