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IITians wake up, your profs are on street
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Zoya Anna Thomas,Wednesday, 26 August 2009, 03:55 Hrs
Bangalore: Nationally, the average annual pay for professors in U.S. public universities is $115,509. Compare this to what Indian professors of the prestigious Indian Institute of Technology (IIT) get annually - a paltry $12,000. Although the cost of living in the U.S. is higher, the gap in the salaries of the professors needs correction. Is this what the nation builders get in return for putting in years of hard work into educating and mentoring the future of the nation?
Ever heard of Naveen Jain, the CEO and Co-founder of Intelius? He graduated from IIT Roorkee in 1979. Vinod Khosla? The Co-founder of Sun Microsystems graduated from IIT Delhi in 1976. Bharat Desai, Chairman and CEO of Syntel graduated from IIT Bombay. Arun Sarin, former CEO of Vodafone graduated from IIT Kharagpur. The list goes on. In 2006, two final year students of IIT Bombay landed a job with New York based software group, Lime for $80,000 per year, with a $10,000 signing bonus. The question is, why is the government paying so less to the very people who play such an important role in educating the brightest minds in the country.
Hundreds of faculty members of IIT Bombay and Roorkee went on mass casual leave on Monday to protest disparities in pay package approved by the Ministry of Human Resources Development (HRD) under the Sixth Pay Commission. Over 200 professors of IIT-Bombay held a silent march on the Powai campus. Over 400 professors of IIT Delhi followed suit. IIT-Madras and IIT Kharagpur professors had gone on leave, on Friday.
"The pay hike given by the government is at least 30 percent less at the lower level (of faculties) and at higher level it is 40 percent less than what we had asked for. It will be difficult for us to attract good faculty members," said Saumya Mukherjee, Professor at IIT Bombay.
The professors have alleged that the HRD ministry has sidelined the Goverdhan Mehta Committee report which had recommended better pay structure for IIT professors. The demand of scholastic pay in monthly installments of
15000 has been overlooked. "The ministry of human resources development is the real villain," said Hem Chandra Gupta, Professor of Physics at IIT-Delhi.
Pay scales of15, 600- 39,100 for lecturers or lecturer-cum-post-doctoral fellow, 30, 000 (minimum fixed) for assistant professors, 37, 400-67,000, 42, 800 (minimum fixed) for associate professors and 37, 400-67,000, Rs 48,000 (minimum fixed) for professors has been decided.
"If you compare the difference between the stipend of a PhD student and the working salary in a government science lab over, say, six years, the loss is23 lakh. Our demand of scholastic pay in monthly installments of 15, 000 has been overlooked though the committee had taken inputs from IIT Faculty Forum Federations and IIT directors," Mukherjee said.
The IITs have been facing an increasing shortage in faculty for over five years now. Add to that, as per government recommendations, eight new IITs are to be set up. This will need at least 8000 new professors. With pay packages this low, how the government hopes to attract the best is an issue that needs immediate attention.
Ever heard of Naveen Jain, the CEO and Co-founder of Intelius? He graduated from IIT Roorkee in 1979. Vinod Khosla? The Co-founder of Sun Microsystems graduated from IIT Delhi in 1976. Bharat Desai, Chairman and CEO of Syntel graduated from IIT Bombay. Arun Sarin, former CEO of Vodafone graduated from IIT Kharagpur. The list goes on. In 2006, two final year students of IIT Bombay landed a job with New York based software group, Lime for $80,000 per year, with a $10,000 signing bonus. The question is, why is the government paying so less to the very people who play such an important role in educating the brightest minds in the country.
Hundreds of faculty members of IIT Bombay and Roorkee went on mass casual leave on Monday to protest disparities in pay package approved by the Ministry of Human Resources Development (HRD) under the Sixth Pay Commission. Over 200 professors of IIT-Bombay held a silent march on the Powai campus. Over 400 professors of IIT Delhi followed suit. IIT-Madras and IIT Kharagpur professors had gone on leave, on Friday.
"The pay hike given by the government is at least 30 percent less at the lower level (of faculties) and at higher level it is 40 percent less than what we had asked for. It will be difficult for us to attract good faculty members," said Saumya Mukherjee, Professor at IIT Bombay.
The professors have alleged that the HRD ministry has sidelined the Goverdhan Mehta Committee report which had recommended better pay structure for IIT professors. The demand of scholastic pay in monthly installments of
15000 has been overlooked. "The ministry of human resources development is the real villain," said Hem Chandra Gupta, Professor of Physics at IIT-Delhi. Pay scales of
15, 600- 39,100 for lecturers or lecturer-cum-post-doctoral fellow, 30, 000 (minimum fixed) for assistant professors, 37, 400-67,000, 42, 800 (minimum fixed) for associate professors and 37, 400-67,000, Rs 48,000 (minimum fixed) for professors has been decided."If you compare the difference between the stipend of a PhD student and the working salary in a government science lab over, say, six years, the loss is
23 lakh. Our demand of scholastic pay in monthly installments of 15, 000 has been overlooked though the committee had taken inputs from IIT Faculty Forum Federations and IIT directors," Mukherjee said.The IITs have been facing an increasing shortage in faculty for over five years now. Add to that, as per government recommendations, eight new IITs are to be set up. This will need at least 8000 new professors. With pay packages this low, how the government hopes to attract the best is an issue that needs immediate attention.
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Reader's comments (173)
1: Sir,
Lets first talk about the "nation building" part-lets be clear which nation. I believe 99% of the IITians are in process of building US or some other nation which is paying them a rich life style or to thier own satisfaction to call it betterment of their technical career. lets not forget that they get world class education by the way govt money-they might have paid fees buts it only a token for each engineer or doctor govt pay more than 10times what a student is paying(for atleast govt colleges). Now what are they doing for the nation building- first thing they do is apply for passport and jump on to the flight which takes them to US. shame on them- if they feel tht their profs are paid less. let the "hard" earning "NRI"-"IITians" from abroad send some money to the profs. already the IT paid by me is wasted on brains going on drain.
lets stop this argument and think of really building the nation(India) which has given the education.
Lets first talk about the "nation building" part-lets be clear which nation. I believe 99% of the IITians are in process of building US or some other nation which is paying them a rich life style or to thier own satisfaction to call it betterment of their technical career. lets not forget that they get world class education by the way govt money-they might have paid fees buts it only a token for each engineer or doctor govt pay more than 10times what a student is paying(for atleast govt colleges). Now what are they doing for the nation building- first thing they do is apply for passport and jump on to the flight which takes them to US. shame on them- if they feel tht their profs are paid less. let the "hard" earning "NRI"-"IITians" from abroad send some money to the profs. already the IT paid by me is wasted on brains going on drain.
lets stop this argument and think of really building the nation(India) which has given the education.
Posted by: sathiyan - 31 Aug, 2009
2:Lots of IITians got educated at a subsidized
rates and are doing extremely well outside
India. Why don't they pay back through
endowments back to their institutes - which
can be augumented for Prof's salaries back
here? We need to look for private - public
partnership and these institutes should find
ways and means to pay their professors well.
Govt cannot do everything.
Ramesh V K replied to: sathiyan
post - 01 Sep, 2009
post - 01 Sep, 2009
3: IIT professors make extra income by
consulting and projects. They make travel
and do other stuff.
so they are also equally paid that is the truth. AND they make their kids get in to IIT some how.
so they are also equally paid that is the truth. AND they make their kids get in to IIT some how.
Posted by: arus - 28 Aug, 2009
4:this is not true..... academics in india is
still given lowest priority........
nishant replied to: arus
post - 03 Sep, 2009
post - 03 Sep, 2009
5:Ridiculous and absurd. There is nothing like
"Some How" their kids get into IIT. I have
spent 4 years in IIT as student and 6 years
in IISc as campus resident. I can give you
statistics if you need otherwise, please get
the numbers from any IIT.
IIT entry is just based on Merit..
IIT entry is just based on Merit..
Hari replied to: arus
post - 29 Aug, 2009
post - 29 Aug, 2009
6: Yes its based on Merit only in B.tech through
JEE, Not in M.tech or phd. If one prof
son/daughter did not get through JEE then
they will get M.tech or PHD. I knew this for
sure since I was also resident in IIT for a
while that "Some how means lot" which I
cannot explain here. No one take job for less
money. just to let you know the truth.
tjwrvc replied to: Hari
post - 30 Aug, 2009
post - 30 Aug, 2009
7: Leaving apart the issue of Low Salaries for
the highly qualified and derserving IIT
professors, I am surprised at the comparison
of the salaries. As I person with first hand
information about the US scenerio, I feel
that its not the right comparison. The basic
fact that out of the Salary of say
USD.100,000 per annum, the person earning it
needs to spend more than 60% to 70% to meet
the basic needs and amenities like housing,
transport, food, medical, insurance &
incidental expenses. Where as in the Indian
scenerio, the percentage of these costs are
not so high.
Another feature that distincts them is their status in the society in general. IIT Professors are considered and respected a lot in India, whereas its much different scenerio in US. In view of this, as an Indian, we look for overall picture, not just the amount of money or savings. Hope my fellow readers agree with my views.
Another feature that distincts them is their status in the society in general. IIT Professors are considered and respected a lot in India, whereas its much different scenerio in US. In view of this, as an Indian, we look for overall picture, not just the amount of money or savings. Hope my fellow readers agree with my views.
Posted by: Prakash - 28 Aug, 2009
8: As I read through the comments, a question
arises, i.e. Are the IIT'ans the only people
who needs to be regarded, What about the
other professors who have contributed so much
that their students have ended up occupying
35% of NASA's staff.
Why compare the IIT professors to the professors in US when the contribution of the professors in other lesser known institutions have equally contributed.
If ever we need, as citizens need to question why is it the other institutions which have been contributing not given the same status of IIT's, Why are the professors given salaries & regards similarly.
IIT Gurus are not the only Gurus, Let us rethink.
Why compare the IIT professors to the professors in US when the contribution of the professors in other lesser known institutions have equally contributed.
If ever we need, as citizens need to question why is it the other institutions which have been contributing not given the same status of IIT's, Why are the professors given salaries & regards similarly.
IIT Gurus are not the only Gurus, Let us rethink.
Posted by: Dileep Kumar - 28 Aug, 2009
9: No one is Born IITan. All are made IITans.
If you can understand the cycle from the
beginning, Anyone first learns from his/her
parents and surroundings. There is no doubt
parents are feeling utmost responsibility for
their children. No issues till here.
Next set of people who influence and guide these students is primary school teachers. After that, secondary school and this goes till 12th class.
Very clear point here is IIT PROFESSORS ARE NOT THE ONLY PEOPLE CREATING SO CALLED \\\"NATION BUILDERS\\\". There is lot of effort involved into it to get into IIT. Who is responsible for this TRANSITION from a child to an IIT student?
No doubt, it is teachers at thier primary, secondary and higher secondary schools. ATTITUDE(with which, undoubtedly, any one can get what they aspire) is being built from primary school.
Can any one here know that the average salary of a primary school teacher is as less as 6-7 thousands a month?
What is the difference between trained teachers and IIT professors? Any one can just guide you to be successful in your path. Guiding a matured human being is always easy compared to guiding a kid.
That is why, I said in my previous post that we should take responsibility for the people/place that is/are responsible for our growth.
Just stop discussing about the university grades and all other useless things and start contributing to your schools/colleges/universities. This will make lot of difference.
Again, I am not saying that government is not responsible for this. But, we should feel more responsible for our BELOVED GURUS.
Next set of people who influence and guide these students is primary school teachers. After that, secondary school and this goes till 12th class.
Very clear point here is IIT PROFESSORS ARE NOT THE ONLY PEOPLE CREATING SO CALLED \\\"NATION BUILDERS\\\". There is lot of effort involved into it to get into IIT. Who is responsible for this TRANSITION from a child to an IIT student?
No doubt, it is teachers at thier primary, secondary and higher secondary schools. ATTITUDE(with which, undoubtedly, any one can get what they aspire) is being built from primary school.
Can any one here know that the average salary of a primary school teacher is as less as 6-7 thousands a month?
What is the difference between trained teachers and IIT professors? Any one can just guide you to be successful in your path. Guiding a matured human being is always easy compared to guiding a kid.
That is why, I said in my previous post that we should take responsibility for the people/place that is/are responsible for our growth.
Just stop discussing about the university grades and all other useless things and start contributing to your schools/colleges/universities. This will make lot of difference.
Again, I am not saying that government is not responsible for this. But, we should feel more responsible for our BELOVED GURUS.
Posted by: NagaNY - 27 Aug, 2009
10: Hi, its nice to hear that there is injustice
over salary in six pay commission. You have
compared the salary with an USA professor and
IIT Professor.
I want to put some points, please give your comment if you feel good or bad with it
India is developing country and USA is developed country. Of course money matter but from where to raise fund and how to distribute
It’s the caliber of IIT student which should be appreciated. In my knowledge even the lowest rank university in USA has more turn over than IIT or any institute or University in India, all are mostly depended on government. Make your institute more professional as USA universities, raise fund and ask 30 % money over your salary.
Your ranking and comparison and contribution of the IIT’ans has done as per there position in private forum or company. (I do not have any doubt about IITians caliber or brilliancy but still no Nobel Laureate from Great IIT, neither in India nor in USA since last 50 years). In India, Nobel Laureates of Indian or Great scientist are from Traditional University. In America State Universities are developed as whole. So, why not to develop the traditional universities. Even very worst situation of best university in India. But, no body thinking and coming forward to strengthen the university to make India a develop and prosperous. India will never be developed by providing nearly 0.01% student good facilities, need of more researcher and that should be focused.
Why not to equip IIT with all the facilities in regarding hostels, research facilities and even promote then for the rural development as in case with USA universities.
I am not agreeing that IIT’ans do not have the prestige in nation. They have, why to bother about other when u are dedicated and committed to do some nice.
Its not the injustice with other professor who is working on same rank in NIT and other institute and they are really good and even better that some IIT professor. Why not to increase salary of all and should be focused as National Professor with different grade pay scale.
I want some IIT professor or student comment especially.
Sorry, if my comment will really heart someone.
I want to put some points, please give your comment if you feel good or bad with it
India is developing country and USA is developed country. Of course money matter but from where to raise fund and how to distribute
It’s the caliber of IIT student which should be appreciated. In my knowledge even the lowest rank university in USA has more turn over than IIT or any institute or University in India, all are mostly depended on government. Make your institute more professional as USA universities, raise fund and ask 30 % money over your salary.
Your ranking and comparison and contribution of the IIT’ans has done as per there position in private forum or company. (I do not have any doubt about IITians caliber or brilliancy but still no Nobel Laureate from Great IIT, neither in India nor in USA since last 50 years). In India, Nobel Laureates of Indian or Great scientist are from Traditional University. In America State Universities are developed as whole. So, why not to develop the traditional universities. Even very worst situation of best university in India. But, no body thinking and coming forward to strengthen the university to make India a develop and prosperous. India will never be developed by providing nearly 0.01% student good facilities, need of more researcher and that should be focused.
Why not to equip IIT with all the facilities in regarding hostels, research facilities and even promote then for the rural development as in case with USA universities.
I am not agreeing that IIT’ans do not have the prestige in nation. They have, why to bother about other when u are dedicated and committed to do some nice.
Its not the injustice with other professor who is working on same rank in NIT and other institute and they are really good and even better that some IIT professor. Why not to increase salary of all and should be focused as National Professor with different grade pay scale.
I want some IIT professor or student comment especially.
Sorry, if my comment will really heart someone.
Posted by: Mukesh - 27 Aug, 2009
11:dude.. if u see the data for last few years.
u will come to know that brain drain has
declined.. and for proffs.. i must tell u
being an IITian i know what they are. and
what they ought to be. by paying so less i
dont think IITs will be able to maintain
their standards for acads.. what they are
known for. nations top institutes , one of
worlds best technical institutes. and what we
hear is that they are runnig through shortage
of faculty. isnt it shame for us. or govt.
i m not targeting those who commented ridiculously.but the way they commented clearly showed their jealousy nothing else..
i m not targeting those who commented ridiculously.but the way they commented clearly showed their jealousy nothing else..
white_hat replied to: Mukesh
post - 01 Sep, 2010
post - 01 Sep, 2010
12:The Nobel Laureate thing
Mayank replied to: Mukesh
post - 06 Apr, 2010
post - 06 Apr, 2010
13: What \'nation builders\' is this writer
talking about? The real nation builders here
are the other citizens of India, who
desperately need quality improvement. This
\'paltry\' $12000 amount to Rs. Seven Lakhs
over here. Why should this man compare this
money with what a professor is earning in the
US, why not what a professor is earning in
the third world nations? As to the quality of
these \'teachers\' and the contribution of
their wards, what is it that these people are
contributing to the quality improvement of
the citizens here. They just become the super
class here, who the others have to bow to.
You should not talk nonsense. Reduce the
salary of these parasites, and bring it down
to levels of what the other fooled citizens
of this nation is earning. Instead of pumping
money for the luxurious lifestyle of these
people, built toilets in the towns, free rest
houses for the common persons to relax when
they travel to towns, bring in British
quality education to the children of the
common man, provide free school buses, set up
safe drinking water facility for the public
to use all over the nation etc. As to the
contribution of the IITs and IIMs, I heard
that they get paid around one or two lakhs
per month (around 1 to 2 thousand dollars)
over there in the US. Well, the truth is that
even an agricultural worker over there earn
much more. But then, the question is even if
the IITians earn a multiple of this in the
US, what is the use of this for the citizens
of India? Do not preach foolishness. What
this nation is the conservation of the
national wealth for the improvement of the
persons who live here, and not for the
support of persons who are aiming to escape.
Cut the salary of the professor and also of
all civil servants. What a college teacher
needs is just around Rs. 15000 per month. I
have also studied in fantastic government
colleges. I know the real quality of these
‘teachers’. Other than what
comes in the books, their knowledge is more
or less zero.
Posted by: Ved from Victoria Institutions - 27 Aug, 2009
14:Sir,
IITians profs are not stupid. Neither are they ignorant about what's happening around. They are well known and respected in their fields and they are the ones who lead research in India. So please don't generalize your observations about education system to everything.
IITians profs are not stupid. Neither are they ignorant about what's happening around. They are well known and respected in their fields and they are the ones who lead research in India. So please don't generalize your observations about education system to everything.
Mayank replied to: Ved from Victoria Institutions
post - 06 Apr, 2010
post - 06 Apr, 2010
15: How can anyone value a Guru.
There would be many more examples of other teachers, that are not IITians, but they good in their life.
Thats probably one of the reasons why we sa say Guru Before God.
Even if we make sure to respect, may be its more than green paper.
Yup, I do agree that its a fact, they may not get paid as they should be, but, considering resources, it may be okay.
There would be many more examples of other teachers, that are not IITians, but they good in their life.
Thats probably one of the reasons why we sa say Guru Before God.
Even if we make sure to respect, may be its more than green paper.
Yup, I do agree that its a fact, they may not get paid as they should be, but, considering resources, it may be okay.
Posted by: Kapil - 27 Aug, 2009
16:Besides this there is the additional
advantage of getting a large number of
consultancy projects from Industry and Govt
Departments, subsidized housing. The cost of
living in India is much lower.
Comparison of European/US salaries is also futile and is applicable across the board.
No doubt there should be more salary for professors , not only at IITs but also at all institutions of learning. The other day somebody was talking of a six figure salary package (Monthly) for faculty at a coaching Institute at Kota. Compare this with a Post Sixth CPC salary, Which is considered by all as manna from heaven, of a PGT of Kendriya Vidyalaya.
Again will you compare the salary of European/ US Govt Servants And Defence Personnel with Indian salaries?
Comparison of European/US salaries is also futile and is applicable across the board.
No doubt there should be more salary for professors , not only at IITs but also at all institutions of learning. The other day somebody was talking of a six figure salary package (Monthly) for faculty at a coaching Institute at Kota. Compare this with a Post Sixth CPC salary, Which is considered by all as manna from heaven, of a PGT of Kendriya Vidyalaya.
Again will you compare the salary of European/ US Govt Servants And Defence Personnel with Indian salaries?
Ranjan replied to: Kapil
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
17: Ok in a phase of understanding we agree that
we have to increase the salary of IIT
professor. As most of the person after PHD
dont want to join the teaching job because of
lack of money. I know teaching job is like
serving the country with giving good
knowledge to new upcoming students. But this
type of implementation should for all the
teachers of all the engineering colleges.As
they are also giving education to
students.There are large no. of students
doing engineering in various engineering
college of india. It means the teachers in
those colleges should pay less so that they
will differentiate their students in case of
quality of education. if u will consider then
only 10% are the part of IIT and rest 90% of
students making part in other engineering
college. Second money mater in every job. As
if u have less money then it losses it
charm.Its ok on the point of humanity but at
the level of personal life it maters. Like
without money how you can show the way of
higher education to you children. Today if
you want to get admission in IIT,MEDICAL,IIM
you need pre investment of money for coaching
or form filling or getting books. Without
money how a person can bear the load of
children education even if it is a profession
of teacher,doctor etc. On the other side have
any body look in to the mater of stipend of
PHD student in indian college,IIT or any
other places.It is same.A phd student is
giving his many years for completing the
phd.But in reward he is getting very less
money per month which is i think less then a
person working in call centre or a tea maker
on road.Then why a phd student is getting
very less stipend. Thereofre a student is
joing research when it has no hope for other
option. and it just joining not to do
research only to get degree to get abroad for
post doc or job. as in india phd student are
like slaves who will work hard but reward is
olnly few rs. If a voice is coming for
teachers then it should come for phd students
also. as they will become future
teachers.otherwise one day only few people
will think for phd or if think then they will
go outside not to come india. so thing for
all level.
Posted by: bonje - 27 Aug, 2009
18: I think you misdirected the wake-up call to
IITians. This would be more appropriate if
directed to the HRD Ministry.
If teaching was attractive in the first place many of us would have gladly considered this as a career.
Palak Bhattacharyya
IIT Kgp- 1978
If teaching was attractive in the first place many of us would have gladly considered this as a career.
Palak Bhattacharyya
IIT Kgp- 1978
Posted by: Palak Bhattacharyya - 27 Aug, 2009
19:I think a mistake a lot of posters are making
is just thinking about the present. Benefits
of faculty salary increases dont just benefit
existing faculty. Some additional
benefits:
--You can attract PhDs currently working in Indian industry into faculty positions
--You can attract Indian PhDs currently working abroad into faculty positions in India
--You can offer talented young people taking up industry jobs an alternative career path (do a PhD, become a teacher)
Each category above can contribute to the applicant pool
for future faculty positions and in turn raise the standards of these institutions, their students and also the Indian industry
--You can attract PhDs currently working in Indian industry into faculty positions
--You can attract Indian PhDs currently working abroad into faculty positions in India
--You can offer talented young people taking up industry jobs an alternative career path (do a PhD, become a teacher)
Each category above can contribute to the applicant pool
for future faculty positions and in turn raise the standards of these institutions, their students and also the Indian industry
jd99 replied to: Palak Bhattacharyya
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
20: There are two main reasons why India has got
a shortage of quality professors:
1. Lack of respect for teaching jobs compared to industry jobs
2. Below par compensation
My understanding is that the second point is the main culprit and if you start compensating them appropriately, in time the respect for teaching jobs in our society would automatically show up! If the government seriously wants to increase the number of quality institutions like the IITs in our country (am not talking about the dummy IITs they have opened with no proper planning whatsoever!), then they MUST compensate professors at par with industry.
1. Lack of respect for teaching jobs compared to industry jobs
2. Below par compensation
My understanding is that the second point is the main culprit and if you start compensating them appropriately, in time the respect for teaching jobs in our society would automatically show up! If the government seriously wants to increase the number of quality institutions like the IITs in our country (am not talking about the dummy IITs they have opened with no proper planning whatsoever!), then they MUST compensate professors at par with industry.
Posted by: Ex-IITian - 27 Aug, 2009
21: This is no surprise. For a society which
extols "Super Power Status" based on feudal
values without any importance to or
prioritising for science and technology,
without any basic product development in any
front, with only breathing on outsourced
crumps and BPO outputs....this fact about
professors is no shock.
And people who take up teaching are not the ones with natural inclination for research or their taste of teaching or like anything. They do so because they do not get any job and then they take up teaching as a last resort.
And people who take up teaching are not the ones with natural inclination for research or their taste of teaching or like anything. They do so because they do not get any job and then they take up teaching as a last resort.
Posted by: Mrinal Roy - 27 Aug, 2009
22:Yes Mr. Roy,
I personally know many of my professors, who have a very high leveraging packages waiting at the front doors. But due to their passion and love for whatever they are doing they had never opened the door. If today IIT faculty decide to leave the college and join the industry they will get huge sum of salary, but there is something which is stopping them from doing so and I think its their love and compassion for teaching.
I personally know many of my professors, who have a very high leveraging packages waiting at the front doors. But due to their passion and love for whatever they are doing they had never opened the door. If today IIT faculty decide to leave the college and join the industry they will get huge sum of salary, but there is something which is stopping them from doing so and I think its their love and compassion for teaching.
Alok Bansal replied to: Mrinal Roy
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
23: Do not talk about the passion and such
things. When these guys join the industry,
they will be just novices, and mere nitwits,
nothing more. In our nation, the teaching
class and the civil servants are persons who
have no other real ability to survive. After
getting government jobs, they try to publish
that they are an indispensible group.
Industry does not depend on academic
knowledge for surviving. It has knowledge of
its own, which the academicians later try to
catch up with!
Ved from Victoria Institutions replied to: Alok Bansal
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
24: Mr. Ved,
What do you really know about Civil Servants and Teaching Class? There are extraordinary people who have turned many things around amongst them. Do you have any idea the amount of effort that these people have to put in to go beyond the useless preconceived perceptions about them that hampers their work? Clean up your act before you start pointing fingers and start commenting about others.
What do you really know about Civil Servants and Teaching Class? There are extraordinary people who have turned many things around amongst them. Do you have any idea the amount of effort that these people have to put in to go beyond the useless preconceived perceptions about them that hampers their work? Clean up your act before you start pointing fingers and start commenting about others.
Asha replied to: Ved from Victoria Institutions
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
25:Mr Roy please do not put all IIT Professors
in such a category. Many IIT professors are
doing their job out of love and many have
left industry to jobs to come into teaching
and research. Please do not insult since you
do not have idea about all IIT faculties in
detail.
Joydeep Dutta
Associate Prof. IIT Kanpur
Joydeep Dutta
Associate Prof. IIT Kanpur
Joydeep Dutta replied to: Mrinal Roy
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
26: Mr. Dutta. All Teachers should be respected.
May from IITan or Non-IITan. If we really
ponder, IIT could not produce single Noble
Prize Winner despite tall claims.
viswanath replied to: Joydeep Dutta
post - 03 Sep, 2009
post - 03 Sep, 2009
27: "In 2006, two final year students of IIT
Bombay landed a job with New York based
software group, Lime for $80,000 per year,
with a $10,000 signing bonus."
what a stupid argument is this?
are these the only two people who completed their grad in IIT? there are hundreds of people who are coming out of IITs with much lesser packages. It at all they want to compare, they have to do so with the average Salary of outgoing grads.
what a stupid argument is this?
are these the only two people who completed their grad in IIT? there are hundreds of people who are coming out of IITs with much lesser packages. It at all they want to compare, they have to do so with the average Salary of outgoing grads.
Posted by: Ananymous - 27 Aug, 2009
28: I feel the whole argument is out of place. On
one hand it is said that the IIT professors
are there because of the thrill they get out
of Nation building and on the other hand they
demand higher salaries for their service. If
the professors were after money they should
have gone in search of such jobs. So long as
nobody has compelled them to serve the
nation, sacrificing their other golden
opportunities,they have no reason to
grudge.
In any case calling other universities 'third grade' and stamping engineers passing out from those universities as 'substandard' only belittles the IITians. After all it is those engineers who live in India and work for our country. If professors of IITs should compare their salary with their counterparts in US, these engineers should also have a claim to match their salaries with those of US engineers.
In any case calling other universities 'third grade' and stamping engineers passing out from those universities as 'substandard' only belittles the IITians. After all it is those engineers who live in India and work for our country. If professors of IITs should compare their salary with their counterparts in US, these engineers should also have a claim to match their salaries with those of US engineers.
Posted by: K.Narayanan - 27 Aug, 2009
29:That is a good reply! And why not compare the
US taxi drivers', carpenters', sweepers',
security men, and others salary also with
what similar persons earn in India? Why only
about the super paid white elephants of
India?
Ved from Victoria Institutions replied to: K.Narayanan
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
30: Who is this Paku yaar, clearly seems like a
person who has lost it in life and knows that
he is not talented enough to ever make it
big. Feel sorry for becharas like you.
Posted by: Amrit - 27 Aug, 2009
31:hey Amrit.This is Paku.First of all, you
don't have any opinion on any of the above
discussions. First do that and then speak. I
m still not lost in life and FYI I am a BITS
Pilani and IIM C grad
First speak out your opinion and criticize the opinion not the person.
First speak out your opinion and criticize the opinion not the person.
Paku replied to: Amrit
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
32: absolutely NO knowledge of ANY of the topics
they are talking about and then they say we
IITans are the ones removed from
reality....bogus....Profs at IITs are Gods,
but then one needs first hand
experience.....not only do they deserve more
salary, they deserve the very best of all
facilities our country can possibly
provide....whatever little recognition India
has got in the worldwide arena is because the
students that they have trained....but then
who will tell this to the dim-wits here who
think that just because the profs get
quarters and projects it compensates for the
pathetic salary they get.....hahahaha....and
some idiot has also written that since they
don't have the calibre to teach in the US,
they are teaching here.....dude just remember
this, it is the good fortune of our country
that they don't have such shitty
calibre....check this out: IIT profs make the
IITns --> IITn goes and creates blitz in the
US with his/her brilliance --> US knows
Indians' capability which the US can reap for
a cheaper cost --> US outsources to India -->
passouts of C & D grade colleges who
would otherwise be unemployed get jobs in
India .... and look at the ridiculousness of
those in this forum who are asking why IIT
professors should be paid more and what
contributions they make to our economy .....
these nonIITans suck.....
Posted by: IITrocks - 27 Aug, 2009
33:IITs Blitz. Ha Ha. NOT A SINGLE NOBLE PRIZE
WINNER. Only great talkers. Other
universities are better off
viswanath replied to: IITrocks
post - 03 Sep, 2009
post - 03 Sep, 2009
34:Buddy..If You are an IITian then i am really
sorry for you..They did not teach you the
very basic lession,to respect
Non-IITians..
Non IITian replied to: IITrocks
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
35: This "IITrocks" guy is a hype guy. Hope he
sees his end in the very future. He has no
respect even for any1 and he thinks he is a
legend.Sorry for you boss
paku replied to: Non IITian
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
36:IF you check the ISI web of knowledge, there
is an interesting information.4072 scientists
from USA have been given the highly cited
researcher status because of their impact
factor. Only 10 people from India are in the
list and out of those 10, only 3 people are
teachers in IITs. I think this explains well
who deserves what!
diamond replied to: IITrocks
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
37:Sorry dude, such a cheap work flow
exemplifies your beauty of shitty mind.
IITn goes to US and doesn't creat blitz, He is just working on dollors than Rupees, Work is work anywhere.
You know how much of public money is used in creating one IITn, you guy's are feeling proud of being bred on the money of these C&D grade collgege pass outs, who work on out sourced projects, who work in India, and pay their taxes.
This is a Vicious cycle.
There is no doubt that IITn's rock. but be humble towards the same C&D grade colleges to. Because they are the people who are toiling to get the best of the country(IITn), the best best facilities(atleast wat we can afford), than the US counterparts.
Understand the basics....
Guru Devo Bahava, Aacharya Devo bhava.
A guru is a guru, it's not a matter of concern weather he teaches in IIT, or a secondary school even...
IITn goes to US and doesn't creat blitz, He is just working on dollors than Rupees, Work is work anywhere.
You know how much of public money is used in creating one IITn, you guy's are feeling proud of being bred on the money of these C&D grade collgege pass outs, who work on out sourced projects, who work in India, and pay their taxes.
This is a Vicious cycle.
There is no doubt that IITn's rock. but be humble towards the same C&D grade colleges to. Because they are the people who are toiling to get the best of the country(IITn), the best best facilities(atleast wat we can afford), than the US counterparts.
Understand the basics....
Guru Devo Bahava, Aacharya Devo bhava.
A guru is a guru, it's not a matter of concern weather he teaches in IIT, or a secondary school even...
P.Sai Krishna replied to: IITrocks
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
38:hey Jerk! just remember IIT JEE makes IITians
not the profs.. Most of the profs there could
not get through this IIT JEE.Tell all your
cock and bull stories to the children. They
would beleive you. Its really bad fortune for
having you such guys studying in India. I
feel the IITs should be sponsored by US govt
for guys like you. Just jerk off!
Place the guys who pass IIT JEE in a local college, he would still be at par with the present IITian,may be even more
Place the guys who pass IIT JEE in a local college, he would still be at par with the present IITian,may be even more
paku replied to: IITrocks
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
39: You who do not have the balls to spend 14
hour days thinking hard, on just a PhD's
stipend for 5 years instead of 8hrs on an
decently-paid industry job, shouldnt comment.
The profs in IIT do not need to be there, and
you cannot understand what they have gone
through, to be there. They are doing this
country a service all said and done. The IITs
are an internationally recognised brand name
of India when it comes to education. To say
that the professors responsible for this feat
are not undercompensated is insane, and shows
a lack of familiarity with the issue of
academic jobs, in India and elsewhere.
H_NIT replied to: paku
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
40: I think for all what you have said, 6 lpa of
salary is more than enough in Kharagpur with
other amenities such as house,phone
conn,internet etc. Boss, I am also from India
and I know a guy's struggle for getting into
branded colleges. IITs are IITs not just bcos
of profs, its becos of the input quality (for
eg:IITJEE) and for a guy to qualify for this
exam, he should be trained well even before
getting into the prestigious institution. So
, the lecturers/profs at that level and even
at the school level also need to have their
pay hikes, not only the IIT profs.
That is what my arguement is.
It doesnt mean that ppl who work for 8 hrs a day are less talented than people who work for 14 hours a day.It shows that you basically go by numbers and not by any logic behind it. Poor you
That is what my arguement is.
It doesnt mean that ppl who work for 8 hrs a day are less talented than people who work for 14 hours a day.It shows that you basically go by numbers and not by any logic behind it. Poor you
paku replied to: H_NIT
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
41: @paku
seriously, that's your argument against increasing IIT profs' pay!
You work hard, I can safely assume that. The point is, if you get more salary will you be happy or not? Satisfying basic requirements is not the aim of salary, it is to compensate the true value of a person.
IIT profs are all the cream of their batches. Most students cannot commit to doing PhDs which is required if you want to become a IIT prof.
It might be the case that person X works harder than person Y. But Y may still be awarded higher salary because Y is more valuable.
I understand that you passed out from BITS, and then IIM C.
Will you settle down in a small Indian village for a 8000/- pm pay? After all, you will get house,phone conn,internet etc!
seriously, that's your argument against increasing IIT profs' pay!
You work hard, I can safely assume that. The point is, if you get more salary will you be happy or not? Satisfying basic requirements is not the aim of salary, it is to compensate the true value of a person.
IIT profs are all the cream of their batches. Most students cannot commit to doing PhDs which is required if you want to become a IIT prof.
It might be the case that person X works harder than person Y. But Y may still be awarded higher salary because Y is more valuable.
I understand that you passed out from BITS, and then IIM C.
Will you settle down in a small Indian village for a 8000/- pm pay? After all, you will get house,phone conn,internet etc!
Mayank replied to: paku
post - 06 Apr, 2010
post - 06 Apr, 2010
42: The existing situation has to be tackled with
brains. First of all, comparing a IIT
professor with a professor from a leading
universities in US is well beyond the limits.
Professor - industry relationship is very
less in india when compared to US. Also, the
amount of research that is done here is very
less and this can be viewed by the cited
research papers.
Posted by: Thyagarajan - 27 Aug, 2009
43: I agree that salaries of IIT professors are
not very good. But there are a lot of
facilities they enjoy while in IIT. One is
free accommodation. In Bombay and Delhi where
a decent accommodation might cost 30 to 50 K
pm, they are getting it for a licence fee of
Rs. 500 p.m. Of course they lose HRA around
Rs.5000. For a teacher in IIT, he gets
Rs.1000 pm towards the education of each kid.
Phone and internet are free.
But the major thing is government funded projects. They can buy very expensive laptops, mobile phones, digital cameras all in the name of projects. So not a single paisa is spent for these kind of luxuries. So I have afeeling that though the salary is not very good, they save a lot. I am saying this with the experience of working in 3 IITs in non-teaching positions. The real sincere professors-as they do everywhere-seldom worry about salaries.
But the major thing is government funded projects. They can buy very expensive laptops, mobile phones, digital cameras all in the name of projects. So not a single paisa is spent for these kind of luxuries. So I have afeeling that though the salary is not very good, they save a lot. I am saying this with the experience of working in 3 IITs in non-teaching positions. The real sincere professors-as they do everywhere-seldom worry about salaries.
Posted by: diamond - 27 Aug, 2009
44: After reading all the comments here, we can
figure out that this has become war zone
between IITans and non-IITans.
Lets have a neutral analogy for this.
80 percent of funds to the US universities will be from private companies. The reason they are funding is that they are getting more than that they have funded because of the people studied there.
Can any one name a single Indian based company or single decision maker from MNCs who studied in IITs have funded for IITs?
I am funding some thousands per month for the primary school that i have studied and some thousands for the secondary school that I have studied.
How many IITans like to fund to the institution from where they have turned into world class professionals?
As some one here said, the salaries to the IIT professors are being paid from the taxes of Indian people. And most of the people(not all) who had done their studies in IITs have settled in the US and paying taxes to the US government.
My concern here is, we should contribute something to the place from where we have grown, before blaming others.
If all old students of IIT contribute 1-2 percent of their earnings to their institutions, all the IIT professors will be paid almost equal(or even more) to the professors in the US.
This is not limited only to IITs, but to other insttutions also.
Lets have a neutral analogy for this.
80 percent of funds to the US universities will be from private companies. The reason they are funding is that they are getting more than that they have funded because of the people studied there.
Can any one name a single Indian based company or single decision maker from MNCs who studied in IITs have funded for IITs?
I am funding some thousands per month for the primary school that i have studied and some thousands for the secondary school that I have studied.
How many IITans like to fund to the institution from where they have turned into world class professionals?
As some one here said, the salaries to the IIT professors are being paid from the taxes of Indian people. And most of the people(not all) who had done their studies in IITs have settled in the US and paying taxes to the US government.
My concern here is, we should contribute something to the place from where we have grown, before blaming others.
If all old students of IIT contribute 1-2 percent of their earnings to their institutions, all the IIT professors will be paid almost equal(or even more) to the professors in the US.
This is not limited only to IITs, but to other insttutions also.
Posted by: Naga - 27 Aug, 2009
45:hi,
I am agreed with u....
but.. who contribute to our country....
a. IITians,
b. Non IITians,
c. Businessman
d. Politicians..
NO bODY IS CARING FOR INDIA....
We must RESPECT our COUNTRY...
I am agreed with u....
but.. who contribute to our country....
a. IITians,
b. Non IITians,
c. Businessman
d. Politicians..
NO bODY IS CARING FOR INDIA....
We must RESPECT our COUNTRY...
Lucky replied to: Naga
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
46:hai ,
By seeing all the views i am just sharing my opinion salaries improvement for IIT Professor is good where they can share more time and interest on students by guiding them in lot of ways.where more no.of IITians can become future iNTELLIGENT CEOs ,MDs,MINISTERS,MAJORS etc very easily by motivating them in right manner in such away that for creating servicing nature where INDIA can become more stronger by occupying highest positions in INDIA where Development is very easy.(eg :ABDUL KALAM).
In fact IIT Professors also should have same mentalty about working where they can get 100% job satisfaction.
Bright minds can be created by PROFESSORS only none other than that
Do u all accept or not
ok byee beye
By seeing all the views i am just sharing my opinion salaries improvement for IIT Professor is good where they can share more time and interest on students by guiding them in lot of ways.where more no.of IITians can become future iNTELLIGENT CEOs ,MDs,MINISTERS,MAJORS etc very easily by motivating them in right manner in such away that for creating servicing nature where INDIA can become more stronger by occupying highest positions in INDIA where Development is very easy.(eg :ABDUL KALAM).
In fact IIT Professors also should have same mentalty about working where they can get 100% job satisfaction.
Bright minds can be created by PROFESSORS only none other than that
Do u all accept or not
ok byee beye
K.ChandraSekhar replied to: Naga
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
47:You have hit the nail hard on the IITians
head.
Agree with each and every point in your comment
Agree with each and every point in your comment
Paku replied to: Naga
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
48: Pls Stop thinking so badly about Professor,
Kapil Sibal Minester of Human Resources
himself said in a conference at Hyderabad
Microsoft office recently that "There is a
need to increase the Salary of Professors
becoz currently we are paying very lesser
than compared to private universities, and
when compared to foriegn universities its
nothing" he added the Good news is that
Central had released 80K crs of Rupess in
this 5 years to develop the universities and
as well as increase the pay hikes etc... this
is a Good sign.
Save Education and stop thinking badly about all
Save Education and stop thinking badly about all
Posted by: Manoj - 27 Aug, 2009
49: What is money
A quantification of the ease with which you shall get going
Assume that you are well respected by everyone and everyone does things for you - do you need the paper-money
It does not matter if you get less number of paper-notes in India and more in U.S or some computer incrementing digits quantifying your value in U.S and doing less in India
The whole concept of going there or staying back simply based on some idiots hypothetical conception of your value has been a necessary evil
Professors like people getting recognition of their brain. does not care for money Exactly like how musicians like claps of the people
A quantification of the ease with which you shall get going
Assume that you are well respected by everyone and everyone does things for you - do you need the paper-money
It does not matter if you get less number of paper-notes in India and more in U.S or some computer incrementing digits quantifying your value in U.S and doing less in India
The whole concept of going there or staying back simply based on some idiots hypothetical conception of your value has been a necessary evil
Professors like people getting recognition of their brain. does not care for money Exactly like how musicians like claps of the people
Posted by: Kalidas. Y - 27 Aug, 2009
50:Mr Kalidas
I think money is as important as fame and respect. Its very idealistic of you to become good in this forum by saying this. If you want to stick to it try living without the 'paper' money yourself.
Think in terms of the profs they should really be paid well than wat they get today.
I think money is as important as fame and respect. Its very idealistic of you to become good in this forum by saying this. If you want to stick to it try living without the 'paper' money yourself.
Think in terms of the profs they should really be paid well than wat they get today.
utsav replied to: Kalidas. Y
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
51: hey all , pls. stop blaming each other yaar..
just try to understand .. these professors
are also human being as like we, and they do
have their social life, family and
responsibilities.
everything requires money and if they ask for some respected amount for their invaluable contribution to the nation and economy then whats wrong in that. Even a middle level manager in any MNC is getting more than them.
if the IIT'ns go and work abroad that is a separate matter, dont mix-up this matter with them.
rupesh soni
everything requires money and if they ask for some respected amount for their invaluable contribution to the nation and economy then whats wrong in that. Even a middle level manager in any MNC is getting more than them.
if the IIT'ns go and work abroad that is a separate matter, dont mix-up this matter with them.
rupesh soni
Posted by: rupesh soni - 27 Aug, 2009
52:hello rupesh
Do you think that a IIT prof should get more that 6 lakhs in Kanpur,Kharagpur inspite of getting additional benefits such as a 50,000 worth flat in blore for 500 rs, free telephone/mobile, free internet connection.
Yaar.. Just spend that extra money for other educational institutions and develop them instead of giving it to the profs again. Dont get overwhelmed by the article because the IIT profs are really not like the ones you are guessing them to be
Do you think that a IIT prof should get more that 6 lakhs in Kanpur,Kharagpur inspite of getting additional benefits such as a 50,000 worth flat in blore for 500 rs, free telephone/mobile, free internet connection.
Yaar.. Just spend that extra money for other educational institutions and develop them instead of giving it to the profs again. Dont get overwhelmed by the article because the IIT profs are really not like the ones you are guessing them to be
paku replied to: rupesh soni
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
53: boss, ur opinions may be right, but there are
some cases, people who love teaching ended up
in other industrial jobs because of low
salaries, think if u work in any
organisation, u get lots of benefits,
allowances, etc, the present teachers of
india (not only the IITs) are paid less when
compared to industry, software jobs. getting
accomodation in bnglr, mumbai,delhi like
cities with rs.500 is dependent on location,
what do you say abt accommodation in places
like kharagpur. they are serving for the
nation
people who are not getting jobs try to settle in the teaching field, but at the same time i also accept that there are some teachers really loving their proffession and doing excellent.
people who are not getting jobs try to settle in the teaching field, but at the same time i also accept that there are some teachers really loving their proffession and doing excellent.
ruby replied to: paku
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
54: Those who dont get a job and end up as a
teacher, they are not IIT faculties. They are
actually teachers in some private engg
colleges. Please remember, those who get a
faculty job in IITs, there academic career is
very good since begining (10th,
12th...).Generally people while doing BE from
some renowned institute, decide upon their
future goal. Few continue higher sudies and
few after 2/3 years in industry return back
to academia.
Students in private engg colleges don't get much guidence during their BE and later when they don't get a industry job, join some private institute as faculty.
So please don't compare IIT teachers with ordinay college teachers. You can not compare Dr. Manmohan Singh with Lalu Jadav.
Students in private engg colleges don't get much guidence during their BE and later when they don't get a industry job, join some private institute as faculty.
So please don't compare IIT teachers with ordinay college teachers. You can not compare Dr. Manmohan Singh with Lalu Jadav.
IISC student replied to: ruby
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
55: You are right Ruby. Give it to other govt
professors too, not only to IIT profs. They
are no different from other profs in other
colleges.That is the only way to improve the
education system. Otherwise the parity
increases between IITs and other colleges.
paku replied to: ruby
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
56: 1.End of the day who is ultimately giving he
money to the institution comes in to the
picture.
2. We all know foreign univeristies get heavy funds from private sector and they support them in turn by excellent reasearch and good students.
3.In India whats the sceanrio,should give pay heavy salary just like that(which means indirectly comman man is paying to proffessors)
4.Or invite exicting private partcipation and get better turn over?
5.Teaching is not a passion for many IIT proffessors any more -speak to any UG students across India.
6.But amany still saty back in IITs (comfort zone of place,legacy etc)
7.But these are capable people of contributing heavily to industry
8.No IIT proff will say not to $100,000 provided some industry contribution in expoected by him
2. We all know foreign univeristies get heavy funds from private sector and they support them in turn by excellent reasearch and good students.
3.In India whats the sceanrio,should give pay heavy salary just like that(which means indirectly comman man is paying to proffessors)
4.Or invite exicting private partcipation and get better turn over?
5.Teaching is not a passion for many IIT proffessors any more -speak to any UG students across India.
6.But amany still saty back in IITs (comfort zone of place,legacy etc)
7.But these are capable people of contributing heavily to industry
8.No IIT proff will say not to $100,000 provided some industry contribution in expoected by him
Posted by: Manoj.M - 27 Aug, 2009
57: It is disheartening to see many silly
comments made by many people above. Their
narrow mentality is perhaps due to the fact
that they are from some 3rd class institutes.
One person has said that most of the classes
in IITs are taken by PhD students. In my 2
years of stay in IIT Madras while doing
M.Tech., only 2 lectures had been taken by
PhD students, out of which one was conducted
due to illness of my Prof and other was
because my Prof had gone to attend some
conference with his students. Those were also
very basic lectures. The professor who was my
project guide there, he was doing research in
collaboration with Professors from University
of Michigan, University of Massachusettes,
Carnegie Melon University and many other
world class universities. He done is PhD from
US and he could become Professor in any US
university and earn many times more than in
India. Even in industry, he could earn many
many times more money. He came back to India
to join IIT Madras only because he wanted to
give back to India and stay with his family
here. In my project, he had collaborated with
Professors of top US universities while
getting much lesser salary than them, but he
works so much here. There are many such
Professors in IITs and IIT Madras is known
for its world famous faculty. He ands many
other Profs actively contribute not only to
industry, but also for rural development
projects and are responsible for raising
living standards of many poor in India. How
can you compare these professors with the
Profs of 3rd class universities? My Professor
and other IIT Professors came back to India,
but what about those who never come back? Do
we not need to pay them higher to attract
them back to India? People who are so jealous
of IITs, they should know that IITs are open
for every Indian. In the form that I filled
while getting admission, I was not asked to
fill my religion and not even my domicile in
it. Only being and Indian is enough. Those
who fail to make through IITs, they start
being jealous of IITs and IITans. People
should not make silly comments without
knowing the facts.
Posted by: Vivek Gupta - 27 Aug, 2009
58:claps on u r defence
shrinivas replied to: Vivek Gupta
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
59:I totally concur with vivek.There are so many
professors in IIT Madras that i know of who
have been invited several times to become
professors at institutes like MIT and the
likes. Some of these professors were alumni
who stayed back inspite of better
opportunities in terms of pay packages. And
as far alumni contribution goes we have
plentiful of that too but it mostly goes into
infrastructure development like setting up
new research centres in our institute.
Subhash Bharadwaj replied to: Vivek Gupta
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
60:After reading your comment, I also feel that
the other people commenting against IIT-profs
are writing pre-maturing without
understanding the gravity of the subject.
Yogendra replied to: Vivek Gupta
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
61: Well said
Yogi replied to: Yogendra
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
62: So what Have any IITian has served for our
Nation. SO what if they have invented in
Foreign Countries? The foreigner's wealth has
increased? Have our Country's wealth is
increased by these so called IITians. No they
study and use our hard earned fellow
countrymen taxes and then they go foreign
countries and increase theri wealth and do
nothing for the home country. Please note
that if you are comparing the salary for only
IIT professor, Pl compare the national income
of USA with that of India.
Posted by: Thiruvalluwar - 27 Aug, 2009
63: The question for Silicon India seems to be
that
600,000INR(12000$)in Kanpur,Kharagpur
or
115,509$ in Massachusets, Boston, California
Thats the weirdest comparison that I have ever seen.
Really speaking, if the prof who gets 6lakhs in IIT with around 4 yrs of experience is really eligible for that, he wont stay back in IIT. He would move to US universities.Simple logic.
Since he knows that he is not really eligible for the US universities(Most of them), he stays back in IIT and all this fuss is created.
Just use your brain IITians
A BITSian
600,000INR(12000$)in Kanpur,Kharagpur
or
115,509$ in Massachusets, Boston, California
Thats the weirdest comparison that I have ever seen.
Really speaking, if the prof who gets 6lakhs in IIT with around 4 yrs of experience is really eligible for that, he wont stay back in IIT. He would move to US universities.Simple logic.
Since he knows that he is not really eligible for the US universities(Most of them), he stays back in IIT and all this fuss is created.
Just use your brain IITians
A BITSian
Posted by: Paku - 26 Aug, 2009
64:reply for Paku's comments...
who told you professors in IIT has got 4 yrs of experience...do you even know what it takes to be a professor in IIT along with those degrees he has years of experience in research + a lot teaching exp. which is incomparable to ur pathetic knowledge you will ever gain in ur whole life....and you say they are ineligible for the universities outside.....u seem to be just another jealous fellow...it can be clearly seen from ur last line -"Just use your brain IITians"...if u had used ur brain u would have been with me...
a student from IITB
who told you professors in IIT has got 4 yrs of experience...do you even know what it takes to be a professor in IIT along with those degrees he has years of experience in research + a lot teaching exp. which is incomparable to ur pathetic knowledge you will ever gain in ur whole life....and you say they are ineligible for the universities outside.....u seem to be just another jealous fellow...it can be clearly seen from ur last line -"Just use your brain IITians"...if u had used ur brain u would have been with me...
a student from IITB
jjain replied to: Paku
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
65: Not every Prof in IIT is eligible for US
universities dude.I m not here to fight with
you . But thats the fact. Only 10 pc of the
whole lot deserves much.
Can a Prof become a Prof in IIT without attaining minimum of 4 yrs of experience? Just jerk off. Thats what I meant
Penultimately, most of the IITians think that all the other ppl are jealous of them. You are one among them. There is no great excuse for it.
Ultimately, try to serve India Mr.IITian. Otherwise, you would face the same "Jealously feeling towards IITian" in your whole life.Just dont foff to US for higher studies or MS. Do it in your own IIT. will you do it? do you see any B.Tech grad from IIT pursuing his M.Tech in IIT again. NO . He flys to US for pursuing MS. I know you will be again one of them. Do you know why he does so? He does it because he(a BTECH from IIT) knows that IIT M.Tech is no valuable due to many reasons.You IITians are eating away the taxes from Indian government and jerking off to US and serving them.
Finally, dude! I am from BITS Pilani. I am not like you guys. I havent eaten any of the Government taxes and I am serving my nation. So,I have no reasons to be jealous of you in simple terms.
Can a Prof become a Prof in IIT without attaining minimum of 4 yrs of experience? Just jerk off. Thats what I meant
Penultimately, most of the IITians think that all the other ppl are jealous of them. You are one among them. There is no great excuse for it.
Ultimately, try to serve India Mr.IITian. Otherwise, you would face the same "Jealously feeling towards IITian" in your whole life.Just dont foff to US for higher studies or MS. Do it in your own IIT. will you do it? do you see any B.Tech grad from IIT pursuing his M.Tech in IIT again. NO . He flys to US for pursuing MS. I know you will be again one of them. Do you know why he does so? He does it because he(a BTECH from IIT) knows that IIT M.Tech is no valuable due to many reasons.You IITians are eating away the taxes from Indian government and jerking off to US and serving them.
Finally, dude! I am from BITS Pilani. I am not like you guys. I havent eaten any of the Government taxes and I am serving my nation. So,I have no reasons to be jealous of you in simple terms.
Paku replied to: jjain
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
66: who so ever is paku (cooked up his brain),
really sorry to see that u r leading a fight
here, if u do really have a problem with IIT
Profs demanding more pay then u should come
down to any of the IIT and compare it with
urs BITS( c,d,...z class i don't know). U r
going to see the difference, its not just
clearing JEE that makes u an IITIAN, its the
effort that a prof puts into u, its the
relationship that he has built.
I clearly understand that why u guys feel 6lpa a huge sum, its all because u can never dream of it.Any prof at IIT usually spend 6 hours a day on various projects in addition to the academic activity. They do deserve it.
I clearly understand that why u guys feel 6lpa a huge sum, its all because u can never dream of it.Any prof at IIT usually spend 6 hours a day on various projects in addition to the academic activity. They do deserve it.
IIT Rocks replied to: Paku
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
67: oh oh oh oh... just stop ur boasting about
urself dude! seems that you are a huge hype
guy in your college. First of all you dont
know whether "BITS( c,d,...z class i don't
know)" comes into which category of colleges.
FYI it stands above 3 IITs. Now coming to
your 6lpa discussion, Jerk,Do you mean that 6
lpa in India is a less amount? You are really
a crack. This is not USA. This is India. WTF
you mean by "you guys". Do you think you are
a ABDUL KALAM/STEVE JOBS/BILL GATES ? Lets
see what you earn as your first salary and
where you stand in 3 years down the lane.
Never under estimate anyone dude. You are
surely gonna pay for your pride in the near
future. Stay and watch!
Do you even remember what your 10th class english teacher does now? First these type of teachers should be encouraged and paid more,not the IIT profs.
Mind it!
Do you even remember what your 10th class english teacher does now? First these type of teachers should be encouraged and paid more,not the IIT profs.
Mind it!
Paku replied to: IIT Rocks
post - 28 Aug, 2009
post - 28 Aug, 2009
68:I do! Prof Ram, Science was Dhara mam I
remember other teacher too, if you want i can
name them.
I respect them, I visit them often. Prof. Ram improved my enlgish, Dhara mam taught me mechanics.
I even remember my maths teacher of 4th class. but not science teacher...
What I want to say is that, when a teacher shapes your career, you remember them. At least I do.
And the fact is, many IIT profs are really awesome, but some aren't. There aren't enough profs actually. So if we want more awesome profs, we need to give them enough compensation.
I totally understand that 6lpa is not a low package, but what you dont take into account is that they can get 20lpa in industry.
Being selfless is one thing, being impractical is another.
IITians are not Gods, but they are not devils either. The way you are portraying them(*us) is wrong.
NRIs(IITians and non-iitians) play an important role in representing our country elsewhere. We have had major breakthroughs in diplomacy with several countries only because of the NRI lobby + They brought goodwill to our country and money with them. This is a global world... localization of man power is not fruitful. Attracting talent is therefore necessary.
And i am not saying that don't increase the quality of education in other univs... that's necessary too! But don't scrap IIT profs' pay hikes for that!
And yeah, becoming an IIT prof is not even half as hard as securing a 20lpa job. I know this for a fact and so I am stating it.
About all the opportunities that they have: Well, industry gives them the same opportunities too... so does the government to it's ministers, Civil Servants and Military to it's personnel. I bet BITS does that too.
@IIT Rocks
Chill dude!
I respect them, I visit them often. Prof. Ram improved my enlgish, Dhara mam taught me mechanics.
I even remember my maths teacher of 4th class. but not science teacher...
What I want to say is that, when a teacher shapes your career, you remember them. At least I do.
And the fact is, many IIT profs are really awesome, but some aren't. There aren't enough profs actually. So if we want more awesome profs, we need to give them enough compensation.
I totally understand that 6lpa is not a low package, but what you dont take into account is that they can get 20lpa in industry.
Being selfless is one thing, being impractical is another.
IITians are not Gods, but they are not devils either. The way you are portraying them(*us) is wrong.
NRIs(IITians and non-iitians) play an important role in representing our country elsewhere. We have had major breakthroughs in diplomacy with several countries only because of the NRI lobby + They brought goodwill to our country and money with them. This is a global world... localization of man power is not fruitful. Attracting talent is therefore necessary.
And i am not saying that don't increase the quality of education in other univs... that's necessary too! But don't scrap IIT profs' pay hikes for that!
And yeah, becoming an IIT prof is not even half as hard as securing a 20lpa job. I know this for a fact and so I am stating it.
About all the opportunities that they have: Well, industry gives them the same opportunities too... so does the government to it's ministers, Civil Servants and Military to it's personnel. I bet BITS does that too.
@IIT Rocks
Chill dude!
Mayank replied to: Paku
post - 06 Apr, 2010
post - 06 Apr, 2010
69:Common, not everyone is behind money, still
there are many dedicated people who place
their duty above all and moreover dont
belittle the worth of these Profs.I feel pity
for people like you who have this notion that
anything Western is superior. May be we still
carry that baggage of inferiority long after
British have gone.
For gods sake wakeup...
For gods sake wakeup...
Manjunath Patil replied to: Paku
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
70: Right said jjain, I did my certification from
IIT-Bombay, man the professors are living
legends. You cannot beat them. Have you ever
thought how they managed to get there?
Students are not trained like student-teacher
relationship, it's like parent-child
relationship. Any student coming out of IIT
can easily start his career with 6lakhs. Man,
just don't make such nasty comments without
knowing what it takes. Be there once to feel
the difference.
Prakash replied to: jjain
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
71: Hello Prakash
You have totally gone out of the disussion. The disussion is about the salaries of the Profs in IIT and their eligibilities for the same. First see the topic dude. No emotional relationship matter or legendary information is being discussed here.
You have totally gone out of the disussion. The disussion is about the salaries of the Profs in IIT and their eligibilities for the same. First see the topic dude. No emotional relationship matter or legendary information is being discussed here.
Paku replied to: Prakash
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
72: I mean Paku to stop making nasty comments on
professors.
Prakash replied to: Prakash
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
73: Mr.Prakash ji
All the IITians are dedicated ppl. Thats why they are there. But they also need to get the reward for their dedication if they are really talented. The only place in the world where dedicated and talented ppl are rewarded most is the US,agree or not, Its a world known fact. That where the weak point of Indian education system,like many other Indian systems,lies.
All the IITians are dedicated ppl. Thats why they are there. But they also need to get the reward for their dedication if they are really talented. The only place in the world where dedicated and talented ppl are rewarded most is the US,agree or not, Its a world known fact. That where the weak point of Indian education system,like many other Indian systems,lies.
Paku replied to: Prakash
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
74:Paku,
I am commenting on your post as to IIT professors eligibility at US University. Our professors are worth more than what they are receving now. However let me make it clear, they are not bothered about USDs, I have seen them going to remote villages and teach the kids for no gain. They do this usually during the vacation period. How many of us think of doing this for free? So pls stop bad mouthing professors.
I am commenting on your post as to IIT professors eligibility at US University. Our professors are worth more than what they are receving now. However let me make it clear, they are not bothered about USDs, I have seen them going to remote villages and teach the kids for no gain. They do this usually during the vacation period. How many of us think of doing this for free? So pls stop bad mouthing professors.
Prakash replied to: Paku
post - 31 Aug, 2009
post - 31 Aug, 2009
75: Cmon man, all the IITians are dedicated ppl.
Thats why they are there. But they also need
to get the reward for their dedication if
they are really talented. The only place in
the world where dedicated and talented ppl
are rewarded most is the US,agree or not, Its
a world known fact. That where the weak point
of Indian education system,like many other
Indian systems,lies.
Paku replied to: Manjunath Patil
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
76: I think the issue is how much an IIT Prof.
should get in comparison of other University
Prof. in India, as he takes his classes
regularly, does a fair amount of research and
consultancy, and contributes in running the
Institute properly. Fine we get cream but
then we we do some value addition so that the
finished product coming out of Institute is
absorbed in the market. IIT Prof. are not
full time researchers and they have good labs
but not of world standard, still producing
work (Students and research papers) which are
cited and have got value. The title of this
article is catchy but issue is w.r.t. India.
Posted by: r c mittal - 26 Aug, 2009
77: Why the hell these people are in streets?
Lacs of people are still getting less than $1
per day. If u have to compare with US, then
compare their courage and their working for
nation building and patriotism. We are
comparing with US when it comes to salary,
not with bribery, cleanliness, and other good
things of Western Nations.
Posted by: Sankar - 26 Aug, 2009
78: The question for Silicon India seems to be
that
600,000INR(12000$)in Kanpur,Kharagpur
or
115,509$ in Massachusets, Boston, California
Thats the wierdiest comparision that I have ever seen.
Really speaking, if the prof who gets 6lakhs in IIT with around 4 yrs of experience is really eligible for that, he wont stay back in IIT. He would move to US universities.Simple logic.
Since he knows that he is not really eligible for the US universties(Most of them), he stays back in IIT and all this fuss is created.
Just use your brain IITians
A BITSian
600,000INR(12000$)in Kanpur,Kharagpur
or
115,509$ in Massachusets, Boston, California
Thats the wierdiest comparision that I have ever seen.
Really speaking, if the prof who gets 6lakhs in IIT with around 4 yrs of experience is really eligible for that, he wont stay back in IIT. He would move to US universities.Simple logic.
Since he knows that he is not really eligible for the US universties(Most of them), he stays back in IIT and all this fuss is created.
Just use your brain IITians
A BITSian
Posted by: Paku - 26 Aug, 2009
79: Of course professors have helped their
students and continue to do so. However the
IITians mentioned have all made their money
as entrepreneurs ... and we all know the
risks an entrepreneur faces. Why not the
profs also be more enterprising and do some
ENTREPRENEUR work to gain extra money. For
every 1 student who does well, there must be
100s who are now out of job: so these
students out of job also were coached by same
professors: Will the prof take a pay cut for
every student who is out of job and not doing
well?
In all companies the employee gets 30 to 40% less than what he was promised, or deserved: so if the profs get their salary hike (in these times of recession), will the Govt pass a law saying that all other companies must also restore salaries of employees?
Tough times call for tough people to take different perspective and lead the nation OUT of recession trends: instead of crying like babies and demanding more just for themselves.
In all companies the employee gets 30 to 40% less than what he was promised, or deserved: so if the profs get their salary hike (in these times of recession), will the Govt pass a law saying that all other companies must also restore salaries of employees?
Tough times call for tough people to take different perspective and lead the nation OUT of recession trends: instead of crying like babies and demanding more just for themselves.
Posted by: Amm - 26 Aug, 2009
80:Not to forget that these Profs get all the
modern amneities such as luxrious housing at
minimal, and schooling for their kids.
Above all they mint their money through their consulting jobs (the work is derived from students itself)
And most of these here are professors because they dont have options like any other brainies, and also it is illogical to compare their paypackages to USD packages. If we all need quivalent USD payscale then its better we earn it in US and not here.
And for doctrate students most of these profs blackmail them out of their abilities, till they hand over them the doctrate.
Above all they mint their money through their consulting jobs (the work is derived from students itself)
And most of these here are professors because they dont have options like any other brainies, and also it is illogical to compare their paypackages to USD packages. If we all need quivalent USD payscale then its better we earn it in US and not here.
And for doctrate students most of these profs blackmail them out of their abilities, till they hand over them the doctrate.
Amrut replied to: Amm
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
81: Saddest post I could have imagined
1) Get your facts right: Only very few IIT profs do consulancy. It's a common thing in US not India.
2) Profs don's use student's research... If they do, they name the person too. And I personally would be mega lucky if my prof does that to me.
3) Blackmailing... seriously? DON'T SAY THINGS WITH A BASE!
1) Get your facts right: Only very few IIT profs do consulancy. It's a common thing in US not India.
2) Profs don's use student's research... If they do, they name the person too. And I personally would be mega lucky if my prof does that to me.
3) Blackmailing... seriously? DON'T SAY THINGS WITH A BASE!
Mayank replied to: Amrut
post - 06 Apr, 2010
post - 06 Apr, 2010
82: This may sound skeptical but one should not
deny the fact, out of these IITians how may
of them works for the nation building.
All those teachers who are conservatively these brain builders (who finally going to serve developed countries either by staying within India or somewhere else) helps in country development.
One can’t completely deny their relevance or contribution but in accordance to their U.S. counterpart unfortunately this ratio isn’t even comparable.
So in my opinion it’s relentless on the part of teachers.
All those teachers who are conservatively these brain builders (who finally going to serve developed countries either by staying within India or somewhere else) helps in country development.
One can’t completely deny their relevance or contribution but in accordance to their U.S. counterpart unfortunately this ratio isn’t even comparable.
So in my opinion it’s relentless on the part of teachers.
Posted by: Himanshu Sharma - 26 Aug, 2009
83: HI to everyone,
Guess most of the people who have written over this blog, were IITian's, or some way or the other related to IIT's.
It's sad to see that even people of such repute, are in the same cycle of condem'ng each other.
Alway's the other side of the hill is green, It's our understanding to take a irrational cource, and best judge.
Guy's lets be practical, and put a valid question.
It's human tendency to choose what suit's him the best.
Many grad's who wanna stick back to the nation and propel it's growth stay back, the choices are individualistic in nature.
I beleive no person is good or bad, it's the situations or circumstances which make him a bad person, or a good one.
Let's create the situations or oppurtunities which make this country great, and able attract or retain the immense talent.
This article is yet another situation or a decision of a politician who is not of merit, who is mostly uneducated, or work of a highly ethical, educated and agressive policy maker(IAS) officers, who are compelled to work under an uneducated minister.
Let's fight this incompetant leader, and his policies, rather than in fighiting.
Guess most of the people who have written over this blog, were IITian's, or some way or the other related to IIT's.
It's sad to see that even people of such repute, are in the same cycle of condem'ng each other.
Alway's the other side of the hill is green, It's our understanding to take a irrational cource, and best judge.
Guy's lets be practical, and put a valid question.
It's human tendency to choose what suit's him the best.
Many grad's who wanna stick back to the nation and propel it's growth stay back, the choices are individualistic in nature.
I beleive no person is good or bad, it's the situations or circumstances which make him a bad person, or a good one.
Let's create the situations or oppurtunities which make this country great, and able attract or retain the immense talent.
This article is yet another situation or a decision of a politician who is not of merit, who is mostly uneducated, or work of a highly ethical, educated and agressive policy maker(IAS) officers, who are compelled to work under an uneducated minister.
Let's fight this incompetant leader, and his policies, rather than in fighiting.
Posted by: P.Sai Krishna - 26 Aug, 2009
84: This is not a good article, dont compare
professors in US and India. US is already a
well developed country and their revenues are
much higher than us. How can you compare
salaries in US and India.
Posted by: Sarath - 26 Aug, 2009
85: kya bakwaas hai. There is lots to do but
media would like to use their skills and
power in this crap only.
Illogical strikes and hype. Such catchy headings only to get attention.
No doubt with such advertising capabilities we are landing no where.
Illogical strikes and hype. Such catchy headings only to get attention.
No doubt with such advertising capabilities we are landing no where.
Posted by: Neha - 26 Aug, 2009
86:I have closely watched IIT profs.. ..They
have been given lavish duplex flat in a lush
green IIT campuses..approx rent for such flat
in such prime location should be > 50,000 per
month...and they get this for peanuts...on
building the talent.. people who qualify for
IIT are cream of the system and what value
these professors can add to this cream other
than providing them notes for the topic. Also
most of the classes in these IITs have been
taken by the students who are doing PHD...
and most of the time these prof are busy
doing in some govt. sponsored project and
don't even take their regular classes... We
can't compare the salary packages of prof
with their students as the kind of time and
effort these iit grads puts in their job,
these prof don't even put 10% of that...so
whatever they get in terms of salary and
perks is one of the best and govt should not
have trouble in attracting new talent who can
take care of upcoming IITs in India...If
these old prof wants to compare their salary
with their students then let these prof
should reach atleast 50% of the effort which
their students make in their job...
Sunil replied to: Neha
post - 26 Aug, 2009
post - 26 Aug, 2009
87: I am an IITian.. And I totally disagree!
Every word of the above post is not only
wrong but also hurtful.
Mayank replied to: Sunil
post - 06 Apr, 2010
post - 06 Apr, 2010
88: IItains,IItains...IItian wherevr IItians are
compared to the best of the world they are
generally the students either under-graduates
or grauates.Have we ever heard any successful
name of Professor who has been compared with
the best of the world.I am not in against
that their pay shouldnt be revised but I
strongly condemn the attitute of media and
general people who are comparing the pay
scale of an IIT prof. with a prof in US.I
will say if you want to compare then compare
everything payscale,currency
value,facilities,burden of job....evrything
not only salary.
Posted by: mohan - 26 Aug, 2009
89:There are many profs who are renowned world
wide. Just that you got to be in the academia
to know about them. May be lack of publicity.
For eg: see www.ams.org/notices/200305/fea-bornemann.pdf< br /> I suggest you read this article for a famous result result from a group of indians, including a prof from IIT.
For eg: see www.ams.org/notices/200305/fea-bornemann.pdf< br /> I suggest you read this article for a famous result result from a group of indians, including a prof from IIT.
Raven replied to: mohan
post - 26 Aug, 2009
post - 26 Aug, 2009
90: Especially please read stuff written under
the heading "The Media Pipeline" on page 6.
Raven replied to: Raven
post - 26 Aug, 2009
post - 26 Aug, 2009
91: Hello Mohan,
there r plenty of Prof who are well known in whole world in their field.. So, plz don't say ki profs are not well known to the world. I personally know couple of profs who r the champ in their field. Indeed you cant compare US and Indian prof salary, as most of the uni in US are private and backed by the Industrial funding.. Also, let me take you around 60 years back when the pay commission of India approved the prof salary, was quiet handsome.By the time, the increment or increase in prof salary was not hiked in the same way, as it should be. This is typical Indian mentality arre bad main kar lenge ..abhi rahne do.. What we are facing in India today is the result of those pending increments. I hope, if Indian industry and Govt put their money on R&D than only we can expect the better salary. But at that time, we should also expect lots of new innovations from professors.
there r plenty of Prof who are well known in whole world in their field.. So, plz don't say ki profs are not well known to the world. I personally know couple of profs who r the champ in their field. Indeed you cant compare US and Indian prof salary, as most of the uni in US are private and backed by the Industrial funding.. Also, let me take you around 60 years back when the pay commission of India approved the prof salary, was quiet handsome.By the time, the increment or increase in prof salary was not hiked in the same way, as it should be. This is typical Indian mentality arre bad main kar lenge ..abhi rahne do.. What we are facing in India today is the result of those pending increments. I hope, if Indian industry and Govt put their money on R&D than only we can expect the better salary. But at that time, we should also expect lots of new innovations from professors.
Ratnesh replied to: Raven
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
92: Have you heard of Dr. Ashok Jhunjhunwala
considered to be the 14th most powerful man
in India by Forbes and is currently in the
board of directors of SBI. He is also a
professor here at IITM
Sam replied to: Ratnesh
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
93: Well in India, the teaching profession is
generally taken by those who don't land up in
good paying jobs. It is generally the
scenario whether in IITs or NITs. It is a
very hard fact but people has to accept it.
Wherever in Universities in US or Germany for
example take only those as professors who are
academically brilliant and has a proven
experience in industry and that's why they
land up with a higher paying job. How many
professors of IIT and IIM are giving their
net intelligence into industry, hardly 10% or
may be less. There is a difference between
the books and the real world. Reading out few
verses from the book and categorically
establish those facts is not a difficult
thing. How many of these professors have
contributed in the upliftment of Industry or
Society? The answer will again be very few.
It is one's individual contribution (read
students) that actually allow them to get a
high salary job. Their attitude and aptitude
allows them to achieve the success. And it is
not only IITs and IIMs students who are on
the top of the world, there are many
institutes from where people are graduating
and making success stories. So it means all
those institutes who's students are making
success stories shall get pay at par with
IIT's and IIM's Profs.
And lets take up one more scenario that is of the real corporate world. For example a team from the corporate world is responsible for making a product which has driven the markets crazy and made the cash registers of the company ringing. So does it mean that the salary of that team shall be made equivalent to the salary of the CEO of the company. I am not saying that they should not be rewarded. They should be and they are indeed in terms of appreciation, some cash benefits but that depends on how much each individual has contributed. The lead is appreciated higher because of the contributions he had made. Same is true with the institutions. It is not mentioned that how much money and power the directors of these institutes are enjoying. The director of these institutes enjoys no less power than of an high profile IAS officer placed in the ministry. The issue has been blown out of proportions. Its always the individual contribution that creates a success story. Yes, I don't deny the fact that it is the people around him who helps him to reach that level but that does not mean that each of those contributions be rewarded in the same manner. Did we ever thought about those school teachers who get us into IITs? Did we ever thought of those parents who has lived their hardships bringing in the intellect and nurturing him through out? The answer might be no. But the media has one responsibility i.e. to blow out any issue out of the proportions to get the fame.
And lets take up one more scenario that is of the real corporate world. For example a team from the corporate world is responsible for making a product which has driven the markets crazy and made the cash registers of the company ringing. So does it mean that the salary of that team shall be made equivalent to the salary of the CEO of the company. I am not saying that they should not be rewarded. They should be and they are indeed in terms of appreciation, some cash benefits but that depends on how much each individual has contributed. The lead is appreciated higher because of the contributions he had made. Same is true with the institutions. It is not mentioned that how much money and power the directors of these institutes are enjoying. The director of these institutes enjoys no less power than of an high profile IAS officer placed in the ministry. The issue has been blown out of proportions. Its always the individual contribution that creates a success story. Yes, I don't deny the fact that it is the people around him who helps him to reach that level but that does not mean that each of those contributions be rewarded in the same manner. Did we ever thought about those school teachers who get us into IITs? Did we ever thought of those parents who has lived their hardships bringing in the intellect and nurturing him through out? The answer might be no. But the media has one responsibility i.e. to blow out any issue out of the proportions to get the fame.
Posted by: Saurabh Jain - 26 Aug, 2009
94:Your thought process is really biased by the
fact that your own university has faculty
members that are really bunch of morons.
Go check out the list of faculty of IIT Delhi and you would find people having exceptionally bright track record.
eg. Prof. Naveen Garg he's showing right path to many organizations of repute along with teaching.
I think currently you are making money in some company
and you think the qualities u have they profs do not have.
You think the soft skills that u have are above everything.
Have you heard the name of Pankaj Jalote from IIT Kanpur
He's been working for Microsoft for many years and now he's in teaching profession.Google him and see the fact.
And now let's talk about "profs not doing anything for country and mankind"
Who makes policies for welfare of country?obviously our govt.
If govt is not offering them any such project how can they contribute?Do you expect,they do research spending their own hard-earned money?
In countries like US universities regularly get such projects for govt & private sector.
Go check out the list of faculty of IIT Delhi and you would find people having exceptionally bright track record.
eg. Prof. Naveen Garg he's showing right path to many organizations of repute along with teaching.
I think currently you are making money in some company
and you think the qualities u have they profs do not have.
You think the soft skills that u have are above everything.
Have you heard the name of Pankaj Jalote from IIT Kanpur
He's been working for Microsoft for many years and now he's in teaching profession.Google him and see the fact.
And now let's talk about "profs not doing anything for country and mankind"
Who makes policies for welfare of country?obviously our govt.
If govt is not offering them any such project how can they contribute?Do you expect,they do research spending their own hard-earned money?
In countries like US universities regularly get such projects for govt & private sector.
archer replied to: Saurabh Jain
post - 26 Aug, 2009
post - 26 Aug, 2009
95:your comment "the teaching profession is
generally taken by those who don't land up in
good paying jobs. It is generally the
scenario whether in IITs or NITs", proves you
comes from a third grade university.. to
become a prof at IIT's you need a PhD from a
well known and acknowledged university and a
good track record.. Usually those who choose
to become a prof are high intellect
individuals.
ved replied to: Saurabh Jain
post - 26 Aug, 2009
post - 26 Aug, 2009
96: My dear friend, it seems you have never been
into these institutes. For your Kind
information, I am from one of those premier
institutes only, batch of 2K. If you would
have been from one of those institutes, you
would have got to know the exact reality of
the professors.
Saurabh replied to: ved
post - 26 Aug, 2009
post - 26 Aug, 2009
97: There were many comments below indicating
that indian profs are no good compared to
their US counterparts. Well even if this is
true, have you ever wondered why it is so?
The good ones go over to the US. Other give
up academia and get into industry. The few
remaining good ones are those who don't
really care for money. But the fact is that
majority of them do care for money. So if
situations don't change, this outflow would
only increase. Thus if you want to see good
profs in India, then you got to pay them. If
not, the so called premier institutes of the
country would go down the drain. It is a
vicious circle: bad pay would get you bad
profs.
Posted by: Raven - 26 Aug, 2009
98:Its fact that IIT profs will never get what
their counter parts gets in US. So if any of
these profs wish go to the US they will go,if
money is the motive of their life.There would
be Institutions in India also,would be paying
better salary than what gov pay to these IIT
profs. And any way These talented people only
advocate free market principle.They talk
about demand-supply rules. So if they become
so demanding they will get what the diserve
in monetary terms. Teaching is very noble job
and very respectable job in India. Profs
should not compare their salary with what
people get in corporate. First because they
dont face the everyday challege of
corporate,and kind of job insecurities people
face in corporate.These profs have the
respect,decent salary and other perks.They
should think about how they can contribute to
uplift the living standard of fellow citizes
also.
Navin replied to: Raven
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
99: This is not a good report. If you compare
according to the currency of India and US
then its not correct because US professors
are earning $115000 in its own currency but
if you calculate the IIT professors salary in
INR then its not very low , its $12,000 that
means its 12000 * 45 = 5,40,000INR. that
means US is far behind in salary in compare
to our figure.
Posted by: chandan - 26 Aug, 2009
100:Dear Chandan,
Seems your logic is compltely out of place when making this comparison. If you want to say the INR 5,40,000 is more than in value to USD 115000. then perhaps you are too naive about the market economy or the basic currency valuation fundamentals. while comparing you have to bring the two values on the same scale of measurement. You cannot say 10kg is bigger than 7 feet or 100 liters is equal to 1.2 kms. The point raised in the report is very vaild as has been supported by the others in theor comments. While One Dollar in US can buy you a decent meal or a ride in the subway. You cannot expect the same benefits one derive in India with One Rupee coin. and if you do still wnat to make that comparison then the USD 115000 becomes INR 57,50,000 more than 10 times the Indian profs salary and the cost of living in US is approximately 2.5 - 4 times that in India. So in that sense the salary of the US Prof is still more than 25 Lakh INR again much much more than the poor Indian Prof.
Seems your logic is compltely out of place when making this comparison. If you want to say the INR 5,40,000 is more than in value to USD 115000. then perhaps you are too naive about the market economy or the basic currency valuation fundamentals. while comparing you have to bring the two values on the same scale of measurement. You cannot say 10kg is bigger than 7 feet or 100 liters is equal to 1.2 kms. The point raised in the report is very vaild as has been supported by the others in theor comments. While One Dollar in US can buy you a decent meal or a ride in the subway. You cannot expect the same benefits one derive in India with One Rupee coin. and if you do still wnat to make that comparison then the USD 115000 becomes INR 57,50,000 more than 10 times the Indian profs salary and the cost of living in US is approximately 2.5 - 4 times that in India. So in that sense the salary of the US Prof is still more than 25 Lakh INR again much much more than the poor Indian Prof.
Fardin replied to: chandan
post - 26 Aug, 2009
post - 26 Aug, 2009
101:@ Chandan: Dude, have u ever heard a concept
of PPP - Purchase Power Parity and you can't
compare on currency exchange rate.To give you
an example, some of the electronic and FMCG
goods are in fact economical in US while some
of the services are expensive. So it becomes
a basket of goods which is covered under PPP
and then u compare te purchasing power.
Rohit Tuteja replied to: chandan
post - 26 Aug, 2009
post - 26 Aug, 2009
102: Rohit: Dude no offense but when the cost of
living(Or simply Expenses) and earning is
comapred to US then India = US/10 that means
if you are saving/earning/spending Re 1 in US
its equal to Rs 10 in India.
So according to this statistics Indian professors are earning 12,000 X 10 = 120,000 And I think its almost as better as 115,509
So according to this statistics Indian professors are earning 12,000 X 10 = 120,000 And I think its almost as better as 115,509
Abhi replied to: Rohit Tuteja
post - 26 Aug, 2009
post - 26 Aug, 2009
103: Its a tricky situation, asking the govt to
pay a higher salary to the Professors,
because they produce bright students who make
it really big in the society. I have a few
suggestion,
IITs or IIMs should become more participative in th economy. They should tieup with the industry local, national, from developed and developing economies to provide consulting, research or other activities. This will increase the income of individual IITs/IIMs. This income is a result of the direct input of the professors, students and management. A part of this income should be retained by the individual institute (for increasing infrastructure), and the rest distributed among those who took up these research or assignment. With this, smart professors and students will make way more than thier salaries. The institute will also make good money, which it can use for its infra development.
So in coming years, each IIT will compete with each other for the best students and best professors. And the industry will select the IIT based on the best team
IITs or IIMs should become more participative in th economy. They should tieup with the industry local, national, from developed and developing economies to provide consulting, research or other activities. This will increase the income of individual IITs/IIMs. This income is a result of the direct input of the professors, students and management. A part of this income should be retained by the individual institute (for increasing infrastructure), and the rest distributed among those who took up these research or assignment. With this, smart professors and students will make way more than thier salaries. The institute will also make good money, which it can use for its infra development.
So in coming years, each IIT will compete with each other for the best students and best professors. And the industry will select the IIT based on the best team
Posted by: Ameen Ahsan - 26 Aug, 2009
104:I am agreeing with the point Ameen, but the
thing here is...if these profs are going to
do the research or consulting job...it is
gonnu be an impact on the lectures or
sessions they take..
I doubt on the feasibility of this idea
I doubt on the feasibility of this idea
aashish replied to: Ameen Ahsan
post - 26 Aug, 2009
post - 26 Aug, 2009
105:you are indeed right:
This is the point made in the NDTV panel discussion. Almost all IITs and IIMs are having sufficient revenues ( form students, industries and consultancies). They can fund them self and can fix their salary their own!.
In fact, these are the only " rich" places in any govt educational/research institutes.
IIT is getting loads of money from
This is the point made in the NDTV panel discussion. Almost all IITs and IIMs are having sufficient revenues ( form students, industries and consultancies). They can fund them self and can fix their salary their own!.
In fact, these are the only " rich" places in any govt educational/research institutes.
IIT is getting loads of money from
raj replied to: Ameen Ahsan
post - 26 Aug, 2009
post - 26 Aug, 2009
106: Half truth. I don't see any truth in the
content of the article.If you really want to
go with data pull out the entire list of
graduates over the years and highlight those
who have actually made a mark like the names
you have dropped in the article. You seem to
have completely overlooked an individuals
strengths and drive which contribute most to
peak performance and grand success.Does this
help bring some semblance. Reflective
journalism, shall we say?
Posted by: Deep Bali - 26 Aug, 2009
107: IITians wake up, your profs are on street.
It is not true... Well if you are comparing the salaries then one should compare the expenses here and in US only then you will get correct picture. Because it is only one side of mirror.
This is confusing fact which is half true....
It is not true... Well if you are comparing the salaries then one should compare the expenses here and in US only then you will get correct picture. Because it is only one side of mirror.
This is confusing fact which is half true....
Posted by: Jitendra Kumar - 26 Aug, 2009
108: So, you guys like to see IIT professors going
on a strike, huhm.. What an useless
comparison.. Don't you have anything else to
publish..
Posted by: Ram - 26 Aug, 2009
109: Professors in IITs do not write competitive
grants as much as they do here in the US. In
addition, they get the best students filtered
after an intense entrance exam. What is left
for them is to just deliver lectures from
text books written by others. Retention is
not a concern.
Tenure and promotion criteria are very demanding here. Professors also do a lot of institute service, serve on reviews, and connect with industry.
Tenure and promotion criteria are very demanding here. Professors also do a lot of institute service, serve on reviews, and connect with industry.
Posted by: Santosh - 26 Aug, 2009
110:I strongly agree with you santosh. It is the
intelligence of students that bring them up.
They start preparing from their secondary
school itself. The professors ain't preparing
them.
Ram replied to: Santosh
post - 26 Aug, 2009
post - 26 Aug, 2009
111: I think you didn't even visit IIT once mostly
professors of IITs......
What ever student learn here is taught by prof with some standard........
What ever student learn here is taught by prof with some standard........
mahendra replied to: Ram
post - 26 Aug, 2009
post - 26 Aug, 2009
112: If you have graduated from a good college,
you would know the difference. Good education
does not come out of the books. You need
experienced people: people who can guide you,
nurture you. Lots of these IITians themselves
would admit that they are what they are
because of what they learned from their
professors. The professors are preparing
them. There are good profs and bad ones here
and in US.
Raven replied to: Ram
post - 26 Aug, 2009
post - 26 Aug, 2009
113: The role of professors at IITs is not merely
limited to academics, though they do excel in
that. Since most students live on campus as
do the profs, professors are mentors and
students are radically influenced by their
hero professors during their stints. Career
and character decisions are made on campus.
None of that can be taken lightly in terms of
value.
Srikumar replied to: Raven
post - 26 Aug, 2009
post - 26 Aug, 2009
114: U cannot compare directly. The currency and
the place is different. Then if you compare
chinese salary in USD to US salary, chinese
should hang themselves. Every country has its
own living cost and standard. By the way you
can compare anyone's salary to equivalent US
professional. For the time being, compare
yours in USD
Posted by: vikram - 26 Aug, 2009
115: It is your bad karma if you are working in
india only the goondas working for
politicians make good money others who are
dependent on government did bad deeds in last
life so then you live and work in India. I do
not understand why indian government is so
stingy it can rather pay well and employees
can also have a good life style but they
rather make them suffer. Sadistic minister
and sadistic policy and if you don't have a
job then you don't get any money from
government and all the taxes you paid are
waste there is no help
Posted by: Krishnan - 26 Aug, 2009
116: ok people. i think the reporter here has just
placed facts. its up to you how you want to
evaluate. since it has been mentioned that
the cost of living is higher in the US- it
clearly shows that only facts have been laid
out for our knowledge.
Posted by: saijal - 26 Aug, 2009
117: I lived in IIT madras for 15 years, since my
dad works there. I completely agree with the
above article. The pay package of the profs
is just too low. A BTech from IIT gets a
minimum of 45,000 in his first job.And a Prof
in IIT gets the same amount close to his
retirement. Its sad! Free internet to staff
of IIT was given just 4 years back. Increase
the pay of a prof based on the number of
publications he has... Based on the number of
patents he has...This would be mutually
beneficial.
Posted by: sindhu - 26 Aug, 2009
118:I think professors get a house to live in a
serence environment. Have a nice workplace
and they are the bosses at their workplace.
Look at the amenities at IIT campuses. No
Btech can afford such a luxury for whatever
he earns. Plus, look at the retirement
benefits. Also, many profs do work with
industry and make a cool sum. Know the facts
first.
If they want the same package face the same circumstances, too. Don't just compare the salary dude. Live in reality. Grow up. Stop complaining.
If they want the same package face the same circumstances, too. Don't just compare the salary dude. Live in reality. Grow up. Stop complaining.
Not important replied to: sindhu
post - 26 Aug, 2009
post - 26 Aug, 2009
119:OI think you should check your facts
again.Further the B-Tech is paid because the
market is ready to pay. In the case of IIT
Professors you should compare the number of
papers/IP etc comming out of these institutes
and then compare it with those comming out of
top US universities and then you will feel
whether paying 45000 is alo worth.
Jairaj replied to: sindhu
post - 26 Aug, 2009
post - 26 Aug, 2009
120: IIT professors are not on the streets, They
are living in the hearts of every IITan. Our
education system is much better than US
education system. Good education for every
indian is only possible by reducing cost out
of our education system, It possible only by
commitment of prof's, reduction of costs in
all ways, innovation.
Posted by: Redhat - 26 Aug, 2009
121: We in India have this stupid system for IITs.
Free education, Free top of the art labs and
free hosteling and all the products fly the
day the finishes the college to make US
dollars.
Since our government does not have any vision about the nation, we run stupid and our professors are paid poor.
Every organization shoudl be self sustainable. Why don't they charge a good amount from students?
(If you look at it, most of the students coming there are brilliant and from well to do families. Unless you spent some lakhs, you can nto pass the IIT exams(training))
Since our government does not have any vision about the nation, we run stupid and our professors are paid poor.
Every organization shoudl be self sustainable. Why don't they charge a good amount from students?
(If you look at it, most of the students coming there are brilliant and from well to do families. Unless you spent some lakhs, you can nto pass the IIT exams(training))
Posted by: Ithin - 26 Aug, 2009
122:Dear Mr. Ithin, when you so stupidly complain
about the IIT products that go abroad, you
insult the majority IITians who stay here and
contribute to the industry, serve the nation
by joining the Public Sector or the
Administrative Services, teach at the IITs or
do hardcore social work on the ground. It is
not your fault as the media focuses only on
those people who went abroad and became
successful and not those who stayed here and
made a difference to the lives of millions.
For example, the Right to Information Act was
passed because an IITian and social worker
Mr. Arvind Kejriwal campaigned extensively
for that. There are so many examples but
cynical and ignorant people like you will do
nothing but sit at your home and criticize
others who are actually doing something
positive for others. Along with the
politicians, it is the ignorant and
self-opinionated people like you, due to whom
our nation is in such a bad shape. Look at
your own actions before pointing fingers at
others.
Achintya Nath Sexena replied to: Ithin
post - 26 Aug, 2009
post - 26 Aug, 2009
123: Dear Achintya, on contrary to what you said,
majority of iitians (about 80%) go abroad.
Raven replied to: Achintya Nath Sexena
post - 26 Aug, 2009
post - 26 Aug, 2009
124: Incorrect Stats!
--Please check your sources
--Please check your sources
Mayank replied to: Raven
post - 06 Apr, 2010
post - 06 Apr, 2010
125: If you define success by the amount of US $ a
person has made, then yes, IIT graduates are
far more successful than the profs who have
taught them in college. But IITs were simply
not conceived in such terms. However, the
disparity in prof pay and their graduates is
now so extreme, that something must be done.
Agreed if you add up all the benefits
(medical, accomodation, etc.), the disparity
is less, and the love of teaching in a
suitable environment should eclipse the
paltry pay structure, but that is not the
reality nowadays.
Brij replied to: Achintya Nath Sexena
post - 26 Aug, 2009
post - 26 Aug, 2009
126: Just come to the IITs and you will know how
far is this true. Professors over here donot
get the facilities to sharpen their skills
unlike those in the western parts. And today
when you say U.S. profesors have more brains,
its because more than half of our talents
steps out of this country or donot go for the
profession. Sole reason, Lack of Pay. Had
anyone ever put their thoughts on the pangs
in the lives of this notable class, all the
commentators who say there is a lack of
quality in Indian professors to get such pay,
would have been mum today.
The guru shishya bond that we say to pray, lies only as a sacred philosophy and not a sacred duty. How many would ever care for the lives of the professors? not even 1% so we have to fight on our own.
The guru shishya bond that we say to pray, lies only as a sacred philosophy and not a sacred duty. How many would ever care for the lives of the professors? not even 1% so we have to fight on our own.
Posted by: M Krishnan - 26 Aug, 2009
127: If you are comparing salaries of US and
Indian University Professors, also compare
the fees the students pay. I graduated from
one of the IIT a few years ago, and paid INR
12 000 per semester. Do you see where that
compares with what a student pays at a US
university? You can't expect the government
to fund everything. People talk of the
students and professors at IIT. But one of
the greatest things at an IIT is the
resources it offers - computer labs, the
library, online subscriptions to journals.
All this is provided for by government
funding already. Few other institutes in
India can even think of comparing their
resources with one of the IITs. And it's not
just academic resources. Even extra
curricular ones like sports facilities and
hobby groups. No one disagrees professors
deserve more, but just blaming the government
without trying to understand it's view is
childish. As for US-Indo comparisons and
sensationalism, enough has been said in other
comments.
Posted by: Anshuman - 26 Aug, 2009
128: US professors have more brain than Indian..
Posted by: shery - 26 Aug, 2009
129:yeah shery We understood you dont have
brain.... :)
Indain replied to: shery
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
130:This is perfectly wrong... Indian Brain has
no match in the world.. they grab the best
places wherever they go and that's why some
countries have become possessive about their
own country graduates... Indians are best!
Atul replied to: shery
post - 26 Aug, 2009
post - 26 Aug, 2009
131:An Indian or anyone who has any idea about
Indian professors commenting this is the
biggest fool on the planet earth.
Amulya Gurtu replied to: shery
post - 26 Aug, 2009
post - 26 Aug, 2009
132:Dude lots of the so called US professors are
indians !
Raven replied to: shery
post - 26 Aug, 2009
post - 26 Aug, 2009
133: The reporter has done a pretty bad job with
the $12000 number. Currently, a professor
having over 15 or more years of experience at
an IIT gets that salary. New faculty,
typically get $6000 or less(-taxes) (Rs 25000
per month).
Now consider the fact that the faculty at IIT are churning out 100s of undergraduates every year who get an annual average salary of more than $15000.
Also consider the fact that new faculty at IIT routinely have competing offers from competing universities abroad, and companies abroad.
Now consider the fact that the faculty at IIT are churning out 100s of undergraduates every year who get an annual average salary of more than $15000.
Also consider the fact that new faculty at IIT routinely have competing offers from competing universities abroad, and companies abroad.
Posted by: SChat - 26 Aug, 2009
134: What a silly post. SiliconIndia needs to be
more qualitative in their writing. Although I
agree that professors should be paid more,
but what's with the sensationalism here?
"IITians wake up, your profs are on street"
and all? and $12000 vs $X amount US salary?
as others have said, thats a stupid
comparison.
Please raise issues on their merit. Don't turn them into a K serial
Please raise issues on their merit. Don't turn them into a K serial
Posted by: Ankit Chandra - 26 Aug, 2009
135:I agree. For SI its always about comparing
everything with US. I wonder some times do
articles like these get them more readers?
kumar replied to: Ankit Chandra
post - 26 Aug, 2009
post - 26 Aug, 2009
136: Obviously, Zoya Anna Thomas could have done a
better job of writing the case for better
salary for IIT faculty. Looks like most of
the readers have focused on the "comparison
with U.S. salaries". The debate got derailed.
Posted by: Srinivasan - 26 Aug, 2009
137:this is the maturity & quality of Indian
journalism. they do not know what to write
and how to put their point forward.
Amulya Gurtu replied to: Srinivasan
post - 26 Aug, 2009
post - 26 Aug, 2009
138: Before going on just comparing the salaries
of IIT profs and US profs, we have to compare
the other counts as well. The quality
research output from the US univesrities and
IITs should also be compared. Also how many
IIT profs are Nobel laureates, or have at
least produced papers with high impact? While
in the US you can see such in plenty.
Posted by: Jay - 26 Aug, 2009
139:Dear Mr. Jay, what is the facility or the
incentive available in India for people to do
high quality research ?
In a country where the top career is that of a government bureaucrat what do you expect ? Do we as a society give due respect to our teachers and researchers ? The answer is a big NO and we as a society leave no stone unturned in humiliating our scientists , teachers and researchers and treat them as third class citizens. And you expect Nobel Laureates from such a society ?
In a country where the top career is that of a government bureaucrat what do you expect ? Do we as a society give due respect to our teachers and researchers ? The answer is a big NO and we as a society leave no stone unturned in humiliating our scientists , teachers and researchers and treat them as third class citizens. And you expect Nobel Laureates from such a society ?
Achintya Nath Sexena replied to: Jay
post - 26 Aug, 2009
post - 26 Aug, 2009
140:Well I think you are grossly unaware of
research output from our country. For example
the long standing deep question of existence
of polytime algorithm from primality test was
solved by Indians:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AKS_primality_te
st. Lots of indians have definitely gone
abroad and produced many such results. The
question is why didn't they do it here?
Because our country didn't give them what
they wanted. Lots of these so called US profs
are of Indian origin. For other such
important results see
http://scienceblogs.com/pontiff/2009/07/omg_q
ippspace.php
http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=808695< br /> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myhill%E2%80%93N erode_theorem
So in effect, if the government does not give what they want, they would go to places where they get what they want.
http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=808695< br /> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myhill%E2%80%93N erode_theorem
So in effect, if the government does not give what they want, they would go to places where they get what they want.
Raven replied to: Jay
post - 26 Aug, 2009
post - 26 Aug, 2009
141: I agree that the salary is less for educating
the brightest minds in our country. But,
cannot expect Gov to pay them as in US.IIT
Professors deserve a minimum of 25000 USD per
annum for building up the brightest minds in
the country. After all.. They are working for
Our Nation. Consider Them.
Posted by: Sunil - 26 Aug, 2009
142: Dear reporter, please stop such senseless
comparisons. In the US a journalist with 5-9
years of experience earns 30-50k USD per
annum. Do you expect to earn that in India?
Would you then write another report titled
Indians wake up, your journalists are on
street?
Posted by: samir - 26 Aug, 2009
143: I read below comments,those are really
hurting. An IIT professor is getting 6L/Annum
and the students from IIT are getting a
salary of Min 10L/Annum at trainee
level...You people want more salary, but your
teachers dont? what you will get with 6L in
india? 6L means after all deductions he may
get approx 35000/-... right? For that does he
need to do PhD?
School teachers are getting 15000/- as a starting salary after completion of their probation....
What my feeling is nobody can not estimate the teacher's efforts. Right now there is a lot of scarcity for faculty...If the situation continue like this, next generations education will be poor...
PS: I am an M.Tech graduate from a reputated university and I served to a reputed engineering college for six years with a salary ranging from 12-15 thousands. Because of that salary only I left that profession and I am in consulting profession.... I earned that six years income in 6 months :-)
School teachers are getting 15000/- as a starting salary after completion of their probation....
What my feeling is nobody can not estimate the teacher's efforts. Right now there is a lot of scarcity for faculty...If the situation continue like this, next generations education will be poor...
PS: I am an M.Tech graduate from a reputated university and I served to a reputed engineering college for six years with a salary ranging from 12-15 thousands. Because of that salary only I left that profession and I am in consulting profession.... I earned that six years income in 6 months :-)
Posted by: John - 26 Aug, 2009
144: Before comparing salary, please compare the
prices of basis things in both the countries.
How much a genral House costs? A rail ticket
in the UK for travelling 200 KM costs RS
4,000 while in India not even RS 400.
You pay RS 60,000 for a 2 room apartment in the UK/US while you pay RS 16,000 in India.
You pay RS 80 for one brinjal in UK/US while in India you can get 10 KG of brinjal (eggplant).
Please also compare all these.
You pay RS 60,000 for a 2 room apartment in the UK/US while you pay RS 16,000 in India.
You pay RS 80 for one brinjal in UK/US while in India you can get 10 KG of brinjal (eggplant).
Please also compare all these.
Posted by: Ramesh - 26 Aug, 2009
145:Dear Mr. Ramesh, do these comparisons of
yours justify that IIT professors deserve
lower pay than Professors of UGC administered
Universities ?
Achintya Nath Sexena replied to: Ramesh
post - 26 Aug, 2009
post - 26 Aug, 2009
146: This is completely sensilization of news
without any susbstance. Comparing USA
salaries with Indian salaries without context
and full picture is stupid. This not to
suggest or conclude that I am against
increase in salary for professors that too at
IIT. How about a comparison of maid servents
at every IIT professor's home with no maid
servents at most of the USA professor's home?
Why because professors earning $115,000 in US
cannot afford it? Who has better quality of
life with the money they are earning?
Posted by: Amulya Gurtu - 26 Aug, 2009
147:Dear Mr. Ramesh, do these comparisons of
yours justify that IIT professors deserve
lower pay than Professors of UGC administered
Universities ?
Achintya Nath Sexena replied to: Amulya Gurtu
post - 26 Aug, 2009
post - 26 Aug, 2009
148: Personally I also feel that the Professors
from those esteem institutes should be
getting some good package. But we shouldn't
compare to the average US package $115,509,
we should also take the cost of living in
account.
Posted by: Darring - 26 Aug, 2009
149: Why dont you compare with Vietname where the
salary might be very low? Why only US? Please
dont do this comparison.
Posted by: Premkumar - 26 Aug, 2009
150:do u know what have u written
do u intend to move on from developing to underdeveloped
or ur starting salary as 5lpa and then reduced every yr
that is what comparing with vietnam instead of US
THINK BEFORE U INK.
do u intend to move on from developing to underdeveloped
or ur starting salary as 5lpa and then reduced every yr
that is what comparing with vietnam instead of US
THINK BEFORE U INK.
IIT ROCKS replied to: Premkumar
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
151:Hi Lots of fuss going on comparison with
other nations salary etc ........please do
one more comparison ......i m a son of NSG
commando...and know what he earns....Why no
one compare there salary to a US
commando.....u will find the difference does
this imply my father should start fighting
for America .......is it have any sense which
most of the professional doing
..........Please looking forward for comments
posses some sense ......if we talk let us
talk for everyone each one has his
specialization in his own
field..........Thanks
Punit replied to: Premkumar
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
152: So increase their salary too! Army as well as
IITs are short of personnel!
Mayank replied to: Punit
post - 06 Apr, 2010
post - 06 Apr, 2010
153: Don't the faculty also get free accomodation
(nice apartments in a beautiful setting by
Indian standards)? I bet they also get free
electricity, free phone, no property tax and
many other fringe benefits which do not exist
in the US. Also, $12000 seems like a pretty
good salary by Indian standards.
Posted by: Charlie - 26 Aug, 2009
154: It is futile to discuss this topic when
people don't see the reason. Do we have any
such comparison for other fields /
professions as brought out by the learned
reader AKS? It is a fact, academicians in
India are ill-paid that is why we are unable
to attract talent and we are losing out our
best professors. I know few capable
candidates refusing to accept such academic
posts simply for the reason - lower salaries.
If you want to produce best brains in India,
you need best academicians. If you want best
academicians or attract best new talent to
academic field, pay best. No comparison with
cost of living, buying power, etc. etc. Even
within India, I know MCAs and other graduate
degree holders working in IT industry,
receiving anywhere between Rs.15 lakhs to
Rs.40 lakhs per year! One may say they
contribute to their company to make money and
hence they are paid. Our professors also
produce best talents in the country and they
need to be paid. As long as have such
'comparative' mentality, we will ever remain
only 'at the bottom' of world class economy.
Posted by: Arvindh Kumar - 26 Aug, 2009
155: The statement "- a paltry $12,000" without
proper context/perspective is inadequate.
The article should have also mentioned average experience (in terms of # of years as professor) as well as average level of education.
Also, to put the things in perspective the article should've included the cost of living as well as the buying power.
The article should also have mentioned which social strata does $115,509/year in US v/s Rs.576,000/year (at an assumed exchange rate of $1=Rs.48) place the professors in their respective society for just comparison of the salaries.
The article should have also mentioned average experience (in terms of # of years as professor) as well as average level of education.
Also, to put the things in perspective the article should've included the cost of living as well as the buying power.
The article should also have mentioned which social strata does $115,509/year in US v/s Rs.576,000/year (at an assumed exchange rate of $1=Rs.48) place the professors in their respective society for just comparison of the salaries.
Posted by: AKS - 26 Aug, 2009
156:I don't even understand why we compare our
data with US data. The conditions are
completely different. One thing globalization
has put in our blood is this comparison.. the
sole reason of brain drain, the sole reason
of unbalanced social structure.. why don't we
understand that they are getting as much as
they need and being an IITian I easily can
estimate their income through several other
sources. So it's just not even a topic of
discussion comparing our data with US. Long
since we have been doing this and have been
forgetting about a huge mass of India dying
under the strong sun and cold moon. So I
would strongly and humbly request you to put
your thoughts to something that has meaning
attached and at the same time would request
the professors to focus on what is intended
from an institute like IIT.
Manoj replied to: AKS
post - 26 Aug, 2009
post - 26 Aug, 2009
157: Dear Mr. Manoj, what is intended from an IIT
is that it will provide quality education and
research output which is comparable to the
best in the world. If they can do it, fine,
and if they cannot, they will simply die and
you will not be able to say to anyone proudly
anymore that you are an IITian. Being an
IITian myself I am appalled at the
insensitivity that IITians show towards their
professors' compensation packages and being
an Indian, I am appalled at the lack of
respect that we Indians have towards teachers
and Professors. This when we have a strong
tradition of honouring our Gurus and
Acharyas. This shows that the land of India
is now so selfish , ungrateful and
materialistic that it considers a teacher to
be no more than an intellectual beggar.
Achintya Nath Sexena replied to: Manoj
post - 26 Aug, 2009
post - 26 Aug, 2009
158: hi Achintya, I dont think the Guru, Acharya
thing is applicable in the current IITs, I
have been there and I can without doubt say
these professors are just a means to complete
the degree more like a formality you have to
endure, all the learning is done by the
students themselves.
I am not against the pay-hike, but definitely these people are not what the article makes them look like.
I am not against the pay-hike, but definitely these people are not what the article makes them look like.
Rakesh Sharma replied to: Achintya Nath Sexena
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
159: There is a scarcity of good technologists in
India.
There is a scarcity of good teachers in India.
Technology is the only way out for us.
We need to pay better salaries to our teachers and research assistants if we are to be competitive.
An alternative is to start an institute like the Fraunhofer Society in germany. Which is a group of private centres of excellence in Applied sciences which earn money as well as educate and the max plank institute which are the ones of pure science funded by the industries & defence
There is a scarcity of good teachers in India.
Technology is the only way out for us.
We need to pay better salaries to our teachers and research assistants if we are to be competitive.
An alternative is to start an institute like the Fraunhofer Society in germany. Which is a group of private centres of excellence in Applied sciences which earn money as well as educate and the max plank institute which are the ones of pure science funded by the industries & defence
Chandramouli replied to: Manoj
post - 26 Aug, 2009
post - 26 Aug, 2009
160: well said Mouli . the so called professors
there lack also the initiative, and any one
who did not study in IIT excuse me . the prof
if were so sacrificing and contributors , i
know the truth , the money given by alumnis
are eaten by directors and if they are so why
dont they apply themselves for private jobs..
they want permanency and so on. for writing a
appraisal they tease the people in IIT , for
them and in IIM even some professors say it
out showing their jealousy to students, do
the IIT students deserve it.. iam in India
and earn good , though not comparitive to
India, but form the day i joined to till this
day i slog my arse out every day , also know
that getting another 8 IITs will only make
them common , and so then they deserve the
pay the get, if they want more let them fight
..iam not stopping them to get more ..but i
ask are the people really doing something for
it..Excuse me dear some professors who really
contribute to Humanity. We cannot let all
other professors to earn same as these people
who really slog for betterment, and more all
IITians who claimed if real for India
generated people , do you think they come
back , so search the companys you will find
out in Chennai Nandanam , a real IIT guy go
ask him what it needs to make a difference to
come back in Recessiona after a decade in USA
with a huge title in a huge company, then
write anything you can... dare to face
anything , also have face to bear atleast
something..India is at fault from last 20 yrs
, did you do anything apart writing such
nonsense..In India people are to be cared are
on real streets not literature wise..make a
difference there .. They dont even earn a
50rs a day ..observe the cobbler his customer
retention and care..are they not teaching us
lessons.. did our parents not teach us what
is to strive and take a stridde.. Dont be
idiots , watch the surrounding around us..
not even tsunamis can wash the dirt of the
minds and streets... do we need tsunamis ..we
suffered one till 1947..go invite one
more...Before any one asks me what am i
doing.. if anyone interested then i will give
you my adress and come with me i will take
you to show what i do...then you speak about
yourself.. i do all i spend 2000 rs for the
education of two children for every
month..did this even when i didnot have a
job... to do is somehting to keep thinking is
forever a job... do something guys dont waste
time and chance..
Indian replied to: Chandramouli
post - 26 Aug, 2009
post - 26 Aug, 2009
161: In India Most of the professors are their job
out of their physical problem or inability to
cope up with the industrial jobs. Think about
it how can someone be a professor if he is
paid more to work less in industries.
The lack of professors or quality professors is going to become a more immense problem in coming days. Can any one imagine someone to work at so low salary just to teach and just thinking about the development of the country.
I think the best solution to the problem can only be increasing their pay scale and providing them a better standard of living. This would not only motivate the current employees but would also attract the people working in various industries in India and abroad. Think of how nice it would be if our engineers are taught by real engineers who have a great deal of real life practical experience.
So far as the problem of decreasing the cost in IITs is considered. There should be some rules binding the students who are leaving the country for any reason after completing their studies from any Top class institutes like IIT, IIM, AIIMS etc, to pay the extra cost the Indian government incurred during their coarse of Studies. This will give a win-win situation as those who are leaving the country would be contributing to the Universities they studied in and those who are residing will surely be contributing to the Country.
The lack of professors or quality professors is going to become a more immense problem in coming days. Can any one imagine someone to work at so low salary just to teach and just thinking about the development of the country.
I think the best solution to the problem can only be increasing their pay scale and providing them a better standard of living. This would not only motivate the current employees but would also attract the people working in various industries in India and abroad. Think of how nice it would be if our engineers are taught by real engineers who have a great deal of real life practical experience.
So far as the problem of decreasing the cost in IITs is considered. There should be some rules binding the students who are leaving the country for any reason after completing their studies from any Top class institutes like IIT, IIM, AIIMS etc, to pay the extra cost the Indian government incurred during their coarse of Studies. This will give a win-win situation as those who are leaving the country would be contributing to the Universities they studied in and those who are residing will surely be contributing to the Country.
Ritesh Mishra replied to: Chandramouli
post - 26 Aug, 2009
post - 26 Aug, 2009
162: IITian Professor get pay much more than the
regular payscale of government ,Even IITian
professor getting research fund more than the
pay , They manage the expenditure through
fund and salary remain, even they get
travelling expenditure and facility as A1
standard.As compare to US, Indian expenditure
is much more less in non metro city, and
little bit higher in metro city, Government
has provide residencial facility, cooperative
facility and much more, now think really they
worth for this.
pramod replied to: Ritesh Mishra
post - 26 Aug, 2009
post - 26 Aug, 2009
163:sat naam peace
foolest fool replied to: pramod
post - 26 Aug, 2009
post - 26 Aug, 2009
164: Hi , Everyone
i would like to stress on only one issue
1 dollars = 48 rupees
what is the standard living in india compared to other foreign country .
Common the comparison is too " RAW "
i would like to stress on only one issue
1 dollars = 48 rupees
what is the standard living in india compared to other foreign country .
Common the comparison is too " RAW "
Sreeharsha Aithal replied to: foolest fool
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
165: My mother saw a documentary on an old 90 yr
old woman in Kerala who has a mentally
challenged grandson,who cant work .At the age
of 90, she pushes a ironing vehicle to
support her only grandson. When my mom phoned
up the director and asked to contact the old
lady , she said she gets Rs 50 a day and
makes gruel for her grandson. She doesnt want
to beg ,so she does this.
I respect the IIT prof's knowledge and commitment but not the IIT'an who goes to the US. Dont worry profs you are not so bad off..after all vidhya dhanam sarva dhanal pradhanam. You people have that ,what else matters?
I am not an IITan or a BITS'ian ,I work in an indian electronics MNC which makes a lot of forex for India every day.
I respect the IIT prof's knowledge and commitment but not the IIT'an who goes to the US. Dont worry profs you are not so bad off..after all vidhya dhanam sarva dhanal pradhanam. You people have that ,what else matters?
I am not an IITan or a BITS'ian ,I work in an indian electronics MNC which makes a lot of forex for India every day.
Nan replied to: Sreeharsha Aithal
post - 27 Aug, 2009
post - 27 Aug, 2009
166: HI Lots of fuss going on comparison with
other nations salary etc ........please do
one more comparison ......i m a son of NSG
commando...and know what he earns....Why no
one compare there salary to a US
commando.....u will find the difference does
this imply my father should start fighting
for America .......is it have any sense which
most of the professional doing
..........Please looking forward for comments
posses some sense ......if we talk let us
talk for everyone each one has his
specialization in his own
field..........Thanks
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