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HR - 'Human Resource' or 'Harassing Resource'?
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HR - 'Human Resource' or 'Harassing Resource'?
Bangalore: Some call it 'Hardly Required', while others prefer 'Harassing Resource'. What are we talking about? HR = once known as 'Human Resources'. With changing times, the Human got lost somewhere and the Resources are no more accessible. We've all had our rather unpleasant experiences (99% of the time) with this species that every company hires to bring some method to madness.

We've all waited with baited breath for that one call or one email. But they just don't bother to convey the response - especially if it's negative. Here's a lowdown by iDiva on some common excuses, statements, reasons whatever - used by HR professionals, and what they really mean so you are not left hoping and anticipating for that response for days and even months sometimes.

1. We'll get back to you / We'll call you for the next round
This is that one thing, which is inscribed on each and every HR textbook in college, we are sure. And we are also sure there are special classes on voice modulation and acting, when it comes to saying it. Each one of them practised repeating this one line again and again, even in their dreams. And every successful HR professional has scored a 100/100 on this one.

What it means: You hear this, and it's all over for you. They just forgot to add that 'never' before the 'get back to you'. Never ever even in your most optimistic dreams, expect a positive... sorry... any response from this person ever in your life.

Piece of advice: Move on. There are better pastures to be captured.

2. We are waiting for the top management's decision / The decision maker is not in town
Wow! What a way to shoo away a candidate.

What it means: It means there is no top management. And if there is, they don't even know you exist. This HR professional wanted to break the cliche (refer statement no 1), and came up with this one.

Piece of advice: Google the company's CEO/VP/Director's email id, and send an email to this HR person, putting all the biggies on cc. You might just get someone fired. Revenge was never this sweet.

3. The position is on hold
This one's a classic rage this season. Its origin lies in recession, and this one statement has been ruling the recruitment industry for the last couple of years. You usually get to hear this one after 10 calls to the HR department.

What it means: Forget that you even went to this company for an interview. Put on hold all the dreams you ever had to join them.

Piece of advice: Please move on. It's the classic 'The End' with a different sound.

We are sure there are a lot more innovative words of wisdom some of you would have been subjected to. Leave a comment and share yours with us. Help our readers overcome their professional illusions and move on to a fresh interview with a smile.

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5: HR can never be Harrasing Resources ! See HR is a vast department n it includes many policies & procedures which the hr employees have to take care before taking any decision. The strategies which are formulated are need to be implemented or applied for the betterment of ofcourse the organisation. So the statement that we will get back to you, definetly means that they are looking forward to the anticipated growth n goals to be achieved for the organisation itself. The negative approach towards this must be changed to a possitive one n ofcourse keep the fact in your heart that the good pastures are waiting for you.

thanks
Ms. Daman
Posted by:damanpreet kaur - 15 Jan, 2010
6: HR operates in a much functional manner than described above. It is all about process orientation and improvement. And its not a fortnight but a gradual process that leads to success. So guys start taking it more seriously.
Posted by:Aditi Wadhwa - 15 Dec, 2009
7:
M SORRY, BUT THE REALITY IS HR PERSONNEL NEVER TELL THE TRUTH AND THEY SIMPLY MAKE THINGS MORE COMPLEX
GOURAV Replied to: Aditi Wadhwa - 21 Dec, 2009
8:
Hi Gaurav,

If you see, HR department is very optimistic. In case of "we will get back to you" line, this is keeping the future opportunities in mind where they can consider your profile. There are other faces of HR department also which people outside dont get to see.Also, HRD is bounded by processes from the senior management which they have to follow. Something that top management can not convey to the employees/prospective employees directly, is routed through HRD. Thats the reason why most of the time you hear negative announcement from this group. Though, all the positive announcement will be from top management directly.

give it a thought.

Thanks
Ankur
Ankur Replied to: GOURAV - 01 Jan, 2010
9:
though I believe that the message should be clear even in case if your profile is not among the shortlist.
Ankur Replied to: Ankur - 01 Jan, 2010
10:
ankur, if its replied to us in the direct way for example, if the candidate is not even shortlisted, n he is provided with feedback that you are not shortlisted, will definetly embarrass him n never know it may lead him to some negative thoughts n even may inculcate some boredom in him. This way lead him to stress n demotivation. I feel its ok if any candidate is held up by saying that we will get back to you or by any other words. Atleast this will lead him with positive attitude.

thanks
damanpreet kaur
daman Replied to: Ankur - 15 Jan, 2010
11:
the funny thing is that when it is am employee referral, the employee is asked to bear the brunt! "Hey you, pass it on!"
Ram Chari Replied to: GOURAV - 21 Dec, 2009
12: HR today has started playing a very strategic and very influential roles in large organisations where every thing is very systematically planned and process driven . TO make HR work genuinely it can come from the strong convictions and core values of the top management
Posted by:kalpana - 14 Dec, 2009
13: I would expect HR to be more transparent, unbiased and replete with people who are down to earth. The innovative and catchy wording is only to assuage the ruffled feeling of the participant in a recruitment drive. There is every need to have more human face in this department. Jayasimha Raghavan
Posted by:JAYASIMHA RAGHAVAN - 14 Dec, 2009
14:
I think one key challenge is "balancing the act". There is always an element of humiliation in the "reject" message that a recruiter needs to deliver. There is no perfect way to do that all the time. This sometimes results in "mixed" messaging, which is better than silence on most occasions.
Ram Chari Replied to: JAYASIMHA RAGHAVAN - 21 Dec, 2009
15: I say that when an organisation (especially) uses the 3rd line and it is hiding something else from me, the HR here, definitely stands for 'Harassing Resources' or any other expansion that suits the above quoted words.
Posted by:Abhi - 14 Dec, 2009
16: Dear all
I don't agree that HR are making bridge between employer and employee. Yes some HR charges excess amount from employee it is not fare.
Posted by:Bijay Kumar - 13 Dec, 2009
17: fantastic reading, it took almost an hour to complete all the comments.
Posted by:Kchetry - 13 Dec, 2009
18: Besides all the said statement a unique corruption which is started in the HR system (specially in hiring freshers) is maligning their image. The system goes like this.
1. Company pays some money to HR Consultants
2. Many HRConsultancies aso charge from the candidates
3. In order to increase their chance they start bribing the HR exectives. (Something like we will pay you back the ammount your comany pays and plus Rs.1000 on every candidate).
4. Now an HR execctive has to hire say 50 exectives. If out of 50 he chooses 40 from these consultants. He will get more than 1.5 lacs. Such hiring happens every week. Now u calculate.
5. Fair selection goes to only 20%
6. The problem is -> bigger the company, higher the applicants are ready to pay and that is the reason this corruption is increasing in bigger and more recognised companies.
7. The worst part is top rated companie are paying to consultants and stil reciving inferrior staff because of this practise.
Posted by:Shailendra - 13 Dec, 2009
19: HR will be the first departmnt to receive the CV for process and forward the resource/candidate to required department. Person/top management who interviews will raise unwanted questions that is not pertaining to the post. In real they have to first go through the CV in detail and later interview that candidate. It is in reverse now, they will call the candidates unrelated to that field and later message passed as theyu will come back in short span. HR would have not been updated about the candidates interviewed and that CV is not reviewed again(this is currently happening overall in almost all Indian Companies). Talented Resource goes in the hand of unknowledgeable interviewers and landup in abusing HR. This concludes HR is just a puppet in TOP Management hands. Can TOP Management take a call atleast now
Posted by:Srujana - 13 Dec, 2009
20: The word Human Resource as it is the most strategic and difficult part to understand. But, when it comes to HR resources management and services and in the Technical and Geek sector then a MBA cannot be the solution.
The HR team itself should be framed that have worked technically understanding the basic issues even if the Technical Project Manager or the Engineering Head is biased.

The harassment is prominently done by the Higher Management in the HR who have already a pipeline or create false committments just to have their jobs safe enough and not being fired.

There should be something for them to show to the Top Management

I write this based on an experience about more than a year back during the recession where telephonic interviews were taken to be for fun.
Prosenjit Adhya
Posted by:Prosenjit Adhya - 12 Dec, 2009
21: Hi all,
i agree with you ram but in how many cases it really happens like that.Uptill yet what i have discovered is that HR are the remote controlled puppet in the hand of topmanagement and influential persons holding the higher post.They offer jobs & good perks to the candidate refered by these persons .What if the candidate is not suitable they just do`nt care about it.
Second reflection----------- If you are well educated and deserve the post but have no reccomendation and unfortunately if you are unemployed that time ,they will just treat you like a A.............. ..Offer you very less salary and you are forced to accept that as you have no much options .After making to much benifits to the company and spoling your months of time doing dedecated work to the company if you say them for the hike they will just let you count many HR policies ,rules ,regulations etc. On the other hand the another guy who some how is managing his job but having some jack will get a salary hike in a row.
Posted by:rahul - 12 Dec, 2009
22: HR - Highly Redundant.
Though a management individual myself, HR is powerless in the presence of egoistical and whimsical CEOs et al. They are more like Russian dolls who rock with the orders from top.
Posted by:canta - 12 Dec, 2009
23: Well it seems a lot of time & energy is getting wasted in defining what really constitute HR: In todays context when recession seems to be getting over & market is openning up, we all should agree that real HR meaning is HIRE & RETAIN.
Posted by:SUJIT KUMAR - 12 Dec, 2009
24:
such an interesting and appropriate meaning has been given.HR means only HIRE n RETAIN. Companies/HR professionals not only need to Hire employees but they also need to develop its human resources with quality of work-life if companies want to retain them for long time and lesser employee turnover.
Bhupinder Preet Replied to: SUJIT KUMAR - 16 Dec, 2009
25: 1. HR means Headless Recruiter
2. The Suitable word for HR is--Harassing People.
3. Its really good to name HR -Hardly Required
4. hopeless recruiters......HR
5. HR is short form of Himesh Reshamiya
6. HR people are (H-ighly R-eckless people)
7. HR : humbly reduculus
8. HR.............Kalyug ka Mahabharat
9. HR - "harressing Resource"
10. HR – House of rudeness
11. HR - hog cholera(Meaning : Highly infectious virus disease of swine)
Posted by:abc - 12 Dec, 2009
26:
Teri maa da fudda maareya. Teri gallan to aidan lagda ki teri janani chod ditti kisse HR waale ne.
ABCD Replied to: abc - 12 Dec, 2009
27:
i m sure u r n HR
ABCDF Replied to: ABCD - 13 Dec, 2009
28: It differ from company to company.But the most roll of HR is very much managed by others employee.
Posted by:Avi - 12 Dec, 2009
29: H.R. : High Risk to any organisation.
Posted by:M.R. Sriprasad - 12 Dec, 2009
30: HR donot just focus on recruitment process. HR is an intregal part and effective for a large company (with various functions) with 100+ employees. With clear-cut plans,forecasts, policies,protocols and procedures, HR department should act with a humane touch focussing on individual and overall development.
Posted by:Humans Respected - 12 Dec, 2009
31: best eg wen amitabh bacchan went for Interview in All India Rado, we all knw wat happ, he was nt selected, HR guys, do u need ny other EG, i hv so many. plz comment on it i will show it 2 u den
Posted by:akshat - 12 Dec, 2009
32: HR itself is a Hired Rascal
Posted by:akshat - 12 Dec, 2009
33: Yes, I accept this article. needless to say that HR people wasting time of a candidate by saying words like "We will get back to you" and "We call you later".. So these words make a candidate puzzled.. Should he wait? or Should he go for another job interview?. So Be clear with candidate.
Posted by:Sathik - 11 Dec, 2009
34: What are you trying to convey? No message here !
Posted by:girish - 10 Dec, 2009
35: Pretty humorous I should say. The article definitely could have helped a few of my friends. I do believe that the entire decision of recruiting a candidate is not vested in the HR and they merely act as an interface between the higher management and the candidate but in certain situations like these when a HR already knows that a candidate is not selected it is better not to keep the aspirant in the dark and wondering that he will get a joining. The HR should be very clear in stating that he/she is not selected at this moment but can again try later. In doing what they are doing they are only earning a bad name to the profession as well as to the company.
Posted by:Espee - 10 Dec, 2009
36: Blaming HR only for recruiting is not acceptable at all.

The Roll of HR is not only recruiting but also

•Workforce planning
•Induction, Orientation and On boarding
•Skills management
•Training and development
•Personnel administration
•Compensation in wage or salary
•Time management
•Travel management (sometimes assigned to a/cing rather than HR)
•Payroll (sometimes assigned to a/cing rather than HR)
•Employee benefits administration
•Personnel cost planning
•Performance appraisal

Some of the above task can also be outsourced.

While Recruiting, a person has to go through many steps, which are performed by various departments. It depends on the interview panel whom to select & after that HR comes into the picture.

HR is the most IMP asset of organization.....
Posted by:Priti Shivsharan - 10 Dec, 2009
37:
I don't agree on this as for each of roles/responsibilities mentioned above there are specific HR's as far as Corporate companies are concern. I think HR is the only levis job today after Bank Probably Bank executives are more occupied than them during 9 to 5 job.
Chirag Replied to: Priti Shivsharan - 14 Dec, 2009
38: When we were not into HR, we were used to listen these few words. But now being a human being it is always difficult say "No" or "you are not selected" or "we can't take you" etc. These words give a negative feedback to person’s emotions, ability & expectations. And HR person/VP/GM HR or anybody is not enough to judge a person’s emotional intelligence, capability & ability. It always happens personally/professionally, that we always find less possibility to say NO who is therefore to show you his/her honesty, punctuality, talent etc.
Posted by:Debashis Raj - 10 Dec, 2009
39: I strongly believe the person who wrote this article is very much fed up with HR people. But here want to tell you that it is not only a HR who takes the all decisions.HR acts as an mediator b/w a decision maker and the candidate. And if you take about Ccing the mails to top management( VP/ GM), will also not help out as they have "N" no of mails in hier inbox. It only depends on the interview panel/ hiring manager( Team manager/team lead) who takes the decision on whether the candidate is suitable form his/her team or not, then comes HR role in picture. So please stop blaming only "HR" for everything :)

Good Luck to you
Posted by:Roopali - 10 Dec, 2009
40: To All,
I have been in the industry for over a decade. I do not want to take either sides - HR or Candidates! There could be exceptions on either sides. However, HR should certainly take a note of the below suggestions to improve recruitment process and candidate's experience:
1. Share Job description: Do not schedule/shortlist candidates for interviews without a professionally written Job description from your Hiring manager.I have had experiences where the hiring managers have no clue why they hire. Unfortunately, after clearing 4 technical rounds(over phone with various depts) and 2 F-F interviews with the hiring managers, the candidate is rejected. Reason given by HR: We don't find you suitable to this role or you are overqualified! This frustrates a candidate since the role and Job description is neither provided nor explained before shortlisting the candidate or during the interview process despite being asked!
I have heard it from my own HR friends that many hiring / Hr managers use this method to reduce salaries, diminish the candidates role to show cost savings though the candidate demonstrates potential to perform a bigger role!

As a hiring manager, I do not hire unless I have approvals on funding, fitment , role and designation of the candidate! I provide a documented JD to my HR which helps filter profiles easily. I also personally screen profiles and ask my HR to schedule interviews only with suitable candidates based on each other's convenience. HR has the right to demand every hiring manager to provide meaningful JD's.I meet candidates on time, every time. I do not waste time, if am not serious about hiring!

2. To everyone - HR, candidates and Interview panel: Be on time and schedule F-F discussions only at the time of offer roll-out. These days,we can meet candidates over video conference and roll-out offers over email. Saves time and logistics.

3. To HR: Please give appropriate and specific feedback such as
i. you need to brush up your skills in this area
ii. you are good, but we found a better candidate who suits the role.
iii. your expectations are high. Tell him/her objectivelty where he/she stands in the market according to skill/experience/certifications/qualification! This will help candidates to do a reality check.

4.Lastly, HR is the most understaffed dept I have ever worked in my career. In some places the ratio is 1: 1000( 1 HR for 1000 employees).Often times, i see HR's not having time for their own learning and training! How are you then going to find time for employees? My observation is that HR's mostly are not metrics driven. Justify your workload and work-life balance by publishing systematic metrics to management to hire more staff in your teams. This will solve all problems and assure your own appraisals.I have even helped my HR's by preparing quick presentations on their problems since they don't have time to prepare. They do return the favour when I need their help to ramp-up/down my teams.

Any more suggestions are welcome!
Posted by:Mani - 09 Dec, 2009
41:
hi Mani,

Thank for sharing your experience and suggestions, i appreciate your experience.

Thank you,
Sailaja
Sailaja Replied to: Mani - 10 Dec, 2009
42:
RASCAL IS FINE,BUT THEY ARE NOT ONLY RASCAL,THEY ARE HEINIOUS RASCALS,THESE BASTARDS HAVE NO BRAIN EMBEDDED WITHIN THEIR HEAD.AT THE TIME OF INTERVIEW IT JUST SEEMS
THAT THEY ARE ALL IN ALL IDOITS DONT KNOW ABOUT THE JOB PROFILE TO BE OFFERED AND SIT ON THEIR POTTY SIT AND TAKE THE INTERVIEW.ALWAYS MAKE THE ROUNDABOUT TALK,NOT ANYTHING
WHICH IS GENUININE AND TO BE IMPLEMENTED.BUT ONCE THE APPOINTMENT LETTER IS RECIEVED,THEY ARE JUST LIKE DOGS SITTING IN THE CORRIDOR.
RAVI
RAVI Replied to: Sailaja - 12 Jan, 2010
43:
Hi sailaja,
Welcome. Appreciate your comments. Best wishes in your role

Mani
Mani Replied to: Sailaja - 13 Dec, 2009
44: It Depends on the policy of the organisation.In my total experience (24year)Executive are same but meet in different behaviour in different organisation .
Posted by:M.P.Singh - 09 Dec, 2009
45: Don't ever comment bad regards towards the HR. you will know the importance when you will be in that position. This is the toughest job. Even i am working for marketing i know the value of this branch of management.
Posted by:chetan - 09 Dec, 2009
46:
Chetan,

You are lucky to have a good exp. but 99.9% have bad experiences.It is impossible to deny that the article is not true. Manupilation or misinterpreted offer letters(when it comes to hidden clauses) to the amount of time wasted which leads to long hours of wait for candidates in recruitment to the troubles faced by employees on exit is purely due to the arrogance and incompetency of HR depts. I myself have faced several such situations in my previous interviews..and after the recruit the golden candidate, there are 99% chances he will be not fit for the job. Improper communication of results and misbehaviour is a common outlook of HR's of companies based in India.
vinu Replied to: chetan - 09 Dec, 2009
47: Dear All,
First of All, I believe the Article mentioned above is only mentioning the "Recruitment & Selection" (Only ONE of many Functions of HR) rather than the whole human resources.... The core issue with HR is that there job is intangible “a service”, with NO physical Job completion Product ... Like an Engineer or a Sales Man ... That is why the Job is often misunderstood...
Today in the Era of Tough Competition, Resource Scarcity, Low Profitability, & Economic Recession ... NO company can afford over staffing under the name of any thing .... & if the TOP MANAGEMENT like most of U thinks below .... HR is an Expense (Which actually is not), then the very next day u ppl... would see NO MORE HR Guyz .... :((
& Then God knows, who will make ur Salaries & Appraisals & would allow U avail Leaves & send & Pay for Ur trainings … & If u assign all these to some other Person … The moment u create the Demon again….
I believe the mis management of HRM is directly a grievance of ourselves i.e. WE r affected directely…., that’s why we r so much frustrated on them .... But for a moment if One analyze that what are the Good Things & tension free life in office we have all b’coz of A damn Useless, worthless Deptt…. I think the perception would change…
Every day loads of Positions go vacant & if any one of U come to know the NOs. of Resumes received ... (& U can’t even think about it ) .... To give a step by step feed back to ever one looks bit unrealistic....
Have u ever heard the QULAITY dilemma ... "Even if u acheive 99.99 % Quality but the one who receives the 0.01 % of Defect .... Consider the quality is worst for the whole 100%"
Posted by:Nabeel Huda - 08 Dec, 2009
48: Hi,
To all respondent,

Its not so bad response by mix of professional, pro & anti HR in the forum.

I humbly request to HR professional pl restraint in such sort of mandate.

Since siliconindia put it on top let the professional of all corner & branch of industry must send there comment and make this profession of HR from middlemen Job to central job.

Its pitty that a few undertake middlemen Job.

I request to aprofessional pl do take HR at your work place when you deal with your employees so that Hr remain busy for employee welfare, motivation, grooming, and career planning.

More the conflict more the confusion.

Love to see some more response in India at least 1 lac than I may realise that really HR doing great Job as a HR in India, as all they are dealing negative of Human being.

Regards
VS
Posted by:Vijay S Pundir - 08 Dec, 2009
49: let the respective HR to do their job!search urself and be confident and ready to work according to them.in short dont give them a chanch to use such words or comments!tckre n all di best!
Posted by:prashant malviya - 08 Dec, 2009
50: I think Silicon did it right but do silicon taking any step for such kind of activities/actions doing by an HR in an organization. So that I candidate will take a sigh of relief either positive or negative....
Posted by:Tanmay Chaturvedi - 08 Dec, 2009
51:
ITs not only for a candidate, as anything related to business associated with this so called HR is a tedius one. Most of the BD professionals must have faced this, none of the calls will get connected to them....if its for a cold call most of the time they wont be in the seat. No mails will get answer. Fixed calles, minimum have to wait for 2 - 3 hrs.
Reasons:
1. Busy in Discussion / Meeting:
Real fact: chatting with collegues or busy in cafteria.
2. Holding another call:
Real fact: chatting with collegues or busy in cafteria.
3. Not in the seat:
Real fact: chatting with collegues or busy in cafteria.
Facts being the same and reasons are different....Mostly come to office by 11 and leave by 5. A Waste Resource in any organisation.
devan Replied to: Tanmay Chaturvedi - 08 Dec, 2009
52: This article is absolutely about true instances and the way HR proffs performed their duties. The biggest problem with HR is they don't remember that they are supposed to support production/technology staff not to rule/mamange them, what they very usually and intentionaly do.
Posted by:kapil gupta - 08 Dec, 2009
53:
Everything mentioned over sounds real,except then not evaluating the practical circumstances,Its not fault of the silicon India who has published this article but with out going to depth of current economy slowdown,Organisational culture and the mgmt involment in decission making .

Why to blame HR when get such answers like get back to u or its on hold or sometimes mgmt is not there to take a decision.

Let me tell you people who had heared this answers this is true to 80% since HR in every company is not a sole decision maker,there r many other people involves in taking deccission regarding selection of a candidate mostly in case where there r many talented candiadtes for less no of vacancy and here it comes the preference part whom to take why to take.

Here I can give a best Example,now-a -days when we go for shopping particularly in recession,we mostly do window shopping roaming around malls wasting time of sales exceuctive asking all features about any product and finally not taking or telling ok we'll see later.

Here nobody thinks whoes time they wasted.Their own with the poor sales person standing and waiting for a customer to fullfil his target to get some performance incentive.

I hope this is done by all the so called people who has given all these feedbacks for HR.This example was given only to say when market is so big and many varities are available its customer decission to take or drop out.Hope this example is enough to explain y HR replies that way.

If that is also not enoug let me explain abt other professional talk about IT,we have a perception that they are only the hard worker but the reality is not every time true.They goes to off 11 open their gmail,face book,orcut and somany other social cite and their days starts with all chatting,showing the online option busy as if they r busy in some project,where in actual its busy for nothing.That is even not enough for them.HR has to arrange outing since they r getting too much work pressure ( Chatting pressure)and tehy have to be awarded as best performer .Are yaar any body can be a best performer in chatting or in face book.But this poor HR who will slugg to get nice candidates,will waste time and money in arranging training & developmental activities for them and end wot is the result.These highly talented IT professinal palying sollitatires.

SO NOW I PUT FORTH THIS QUESTION TO ALL THOSE WHO HAS COMMENTS ON HR PROFESSIONAL. TELL ME NOW WHO ARE THE HARRASHING REASOURCES ?
Suchitra pattnaik Replied to: kapil gupta - 08 Dec, 2009
54: Excellent..is the word..
The article adresses the critical issue with a touch of humor to it.
All of us at some point of time must have received such feebacks from the HR in a manner which is best explained through your article..
Posted by:Ajit - 08 Dec, 2009
55: Brilliant Article! The truth couldn't have been put in a better way....The HRs(probably excluding the Top HRs) are the most useless ppl around....They are the biggest liability on a company doing nothing and earning a lot...In my 2 yrs of wrk ex I realized it everyday.Instead of they firing engineers, they are the ones who should be thrown out at the earliest
Posted by:Roy - 08 Dec, 2009
56:
Mr. Roy

How about putting you in HR and letting you work with 100s of ppl who like you are cribbing and weeping all the time about things not done? You are yet to see what HR can do to your career. I pity HR guys coz they have to/will have to deal with resources like you. All the best. Hope some day you will come across some really good HR people who will show you what HR is worth and hope that day you will stop crying about HR.
Meenu Replied to: Roy - 09 Dec, 2009
57: hi all
i have just jooined u, the statement that HR persons are paid far nothing its wrong bcz this is the only cost incurring post far any org.they r the backbone of any org. bcz they bring d person in org. and tell them their role. they do this not to disappoint an individual
Posted by:krishna awasthi - 07 Dec, 2009
58: I've been reading Silicon India's newsletters for quite some time now and haven't had any major complaints with it so far. It does a good job of consolidating and picking news from different sources and provides a convenient place to read it all.

But I must admit that this particular article disappointed me. It stereotypes an entire area of work, an area quite critical to any organization, and does so in a childish and immature language.

I would expect the articles published here to be more balanced and informative and not simply those targeted at triggering big discussion, just to garner some popularity.
Posted by:Satya - 07 Dec, 2009
59:
Hello all

Iam also a regularly reading articles in Silicon, this is the one of the best article i have read, and this is what happening all over. thumps up for Silicon
Mohan Replied to: Satya - 07 Dec, 2009
60:
Satya, for this type of experiences you should go and give the interview as a candidate, then you must be realized that each and every line of this article is true. Ant body can write a book of these kinds of incidents that HR persons do with the candidates. I think you are one them... and this articles pulling the feelings out from you...
Robin Replied to: Satya - 07 Dec, 2009
61: To my knowledge....HR ppl are the ones who are paid for doing nothing...they just do the job of Centre management...Nowadays they started harassing ppl also....this is a nice article at right time....atleast seeing the comment like this, HR's shud rethink their ideologies....
Posted by:minor - 07 Dec, 2009
62:
Hi Minor,

Your name suggests how micro your level of thinking is, do you have any idea on the perspective of HR for a whole organisation , if you are a techcie or any other domain you either deal with system or data, but HR deal with human beings & keep in mind every human being is different.

I am not saying HR is the greatest work in an organisation , but i am pretty sure we strive & work hard as every other domain does.
Manoj U S Replied to: minor - 08 Dec, 2009
63:
I don't agree. Though HR professional are doing many jobs he never appriciated. His job is thankless job. He is a bridge between employee & employer. Stop making such statement that the are paid for nothing.
vijay gohil Replied to: minor - 07 Dec, 2009
64:
Hey no offence but i would rather like to correct you over here"HR ppl are the ones who are paid for doing nothing",its not true because if you are been interviewed you have just spent 15 to 20 mins with HR and i guess in that fractions of minutes you can never judge someones work,Let us take in a broader way if you are working in a firm,let me remind you that it would be an HR who informed you about this job,it would be an HR who have interviewed you,it would be an HR who have given may be your first offerletter and you have given him thanks,it would be an HR who process your salary and save your leaves when it is wrongly marked by your operation team(TL TC..)..So i think that what ever we are been paid is justified..wat say
Chirag Gamit Replied to: minor - 07 Dec, 2009
65: 251 comments...I guess (offendent) HR are the most free people...in offices....
Posted by:abk - 07 Dec, 2009
66: Hi all,

A nice article to discuss on, I agree to what dilip says. I work for a Recruitment firm with some of the Top MNC has our client, Many a times it so happens we talk to a aspirant for a particular job opening so many times starting from initial screening to shortlisting to the offer acceptance. that it becomes hard to for anybody to inform them if they are rejected after the Technical or the final round of interview, May be that is the reason usually HRs don't inform the aspirant if the feedback is negative, instead they say "we shall get back to u, Manager approval is pending etc, position on hold". But we must understand the aspirant position as well and behave in a professional way, by giving the proper feedback if posible also give the reason for the rejection, so that they can look work on that and will be helpful in their future interview process .

Lets not play with others professional career.
Posted by:Shankari Lokesh - 07 Dec, 2009
67: Hi all,
In all organisations and companies, HR dept is for hiring and recuitment,welfare and development of employes.But unfortunately the dept in most companies is found to be lavishing on companies resources and is a burden.

In my organisation,people come for interview in morning and stay back hearing rubbish reasons from the managers till late nights.And once I made a point to ask my freind who is in HR dept that why actually are the people asked to wait so long,she replied me:They always check your patience.Then i asked her what if they lose an eligible candidate,she again replied to me saying in a land of crores,if one is gone we will get another with more talent,so gone is gone thats it.

After that i realised there is no matter in wasting our official time in attending interviews.
Posted by:iturhs - 07 Dec, 2009
68: According to me HR means Headless Recruiter. I know most of the HR position hold women who don't know what to do till end of life. HR must be confident about what she is looking for. She has no idea how to perform desired task to get desired result.
Posted by:Vishal - 07 Dec, 2009
69:
Is it ?Then y mothers r women y can't they be even guys?I mean women have high qualities like caring,thy have respect for values and building capability either its home or a big organisation..so organisation even need a caring person since resources in any companies are not machineries they r human beings.

More specifying women only know wot to do next,Why to think upto the end of life when its uncertain.Lets all guys waste time in thinking wot to to do.
Suchitra Replied to: Vishal - 08 Dec, 2009
70: My perception of HR is not too good. The perception will not come by reading books or articles, it should come by you own experience. I have experienced a lot and wanted to give 100% marks to the above articles. It is an eye-opener for the management if they come across this article.
Nowadays…most of the company is hiring young girls for the HR position.. who does not have working experience for even one month. How the hiring is been done? It is based on Knowldege, People handling skill, response skill, Human management skill not at all.. This is on beauty to showcase high-class working culture. Their responses are so bad that you will really believe that they are from Harassing resources not from Human resources.
Posted by:Sanjay - 07 Dec, 2009
71: its so true..i dont understand wat it takes to learn all this words..
Posted by:sandhya - 07 Dec, 2009
72:
hey sandhya..!
u r a kind of ma girl..even i think the same..dat learn only the things which should b clear and understandable to one n all.....!regards!
prashant Replied to: sandhya - 08 Dec, 2009
73:
Hi What is true ?
Karthic Replied to: sandhya - 08 Dec, 2009
74: I believe that our perception of HR, that is "Human Resource" is coloured by our own experience.

HR is not entirely to be blamed since the entire organization is the HR Department. We need to understand who and what we mean by HR (beside the joke).

I also believe that there are a lot of HR professionals who can testify to the important role that HR had played and continue to play in the success of their organizations.

Some of the questions we need to ask are: "What is the HR policy of the organizations?", "What role does the top management want HR to play?", "What training are required to make HR people more relevant to the organization's plan?", "What are the HR strategies that the organization must adopt?", "How can the organization link the HR objectives to the accomplishment of the organization's business objectives?", and so on, and so forth.

HR is only as important as the organization wants it to be.
Posted by:P Raphael Claudius - 07 Dec, 2009
75: I dont know whether managers or HR is to blame for this, but I wonder why they are willing to consider you for every location, except your home town ?
Posted by:Ram - 06 Dec, 2009
76:
For a simple reason that the local person knows the attitude, culture and the local HR consultants. He is also aware of the local HR regulations though its mostly uniform. Also the resources of the HR person are locally placed.
Ramandeep Sidhu Replied to: Ram - 07 Dec, 2009
77: What I believe it is not intentionally done by HR. There are several genuine reasons or sudden change in management decision as per business demand. What required is HR shouldn’t keep hanging the thing …. have to convey the decision fast and with valid reason .But same time candidate shouldn’t be very reactive and ready to absorb if decision is not in favor.
Posted by:Ram - 06 Dec, 2009
78: Oh! I find it a good place to share our frustation on the HR ppl. Well apart from joke, I had to face the HR disaster at Hyundai. These ppl called me up for the interview 2-3 times, took my detailed interview and finally gave a confirmation that u'v been selected for the job. They sent me my offer letter and proposed salary on e-mail and asked me to send a confirmation on it. I agreed. Although it was not a fascinating package but i agreed for a thought that it should be a good company to work with. After I sent my confirmation, there was no revert from their side for 10 days. When I called them up askin about the joining date & other formalities, they told me that i was wrongly proposed that salary as they'll only count my work experience after PG. So asked me to join on a much salary. What a frustating moment was that! Were they blind before giving the offer letter? And they hardly cared to communicate me about their mistake. I never expected this from a company of their repo. But its a fact. Its a company where they give more importance to theoretical knowledge than the work experience will have these rubbish people as employees only. If this was the starting, m happy i did not had to face more harrasment from them.
Posted by:jaya sawhney - 06 Dec, 2009
79:
You must share that email with the highest authority and get that HR person blasted. I have been in HR all along and though this is an uncommon it is considered crime and one could get fired for such a mistake.
Ramandeep Sidhu Replied to: jaya sawhney - 07 Dec, 2009
80: Two companies which reminds me the pathetic behaviour of HR

They think the candidates coming to interview are slaves, and need to agree to whatever

1. Commerce Velocity, Jayanagar Bangalore:- Here there is a HR Manager by name Seetha Muthukumar. she called me up by looking at my CV in naukri and asked if I can attend a F2F Interview. I was ready, since she mentioned abt MNC, HQ in US. She wanted me to attend the interview on a weekday which I wasnot ready because of my current project deliverables, she gave me multiple time slots on weekdaly I said I am sorry I cant attend, later she got angry and said "If you are looking for job, should should bend your head and come for interview on whatever time slots we have ", I too got angry and disconnected the phone. What a pathetic HR Policy.

2. Osprosys, Airport Road:- This is a pathetic company with no HR policy, they called me for interview at 6 PM in the evening and told me to wait, I waited till 7:45 PM and no response, later she came at 7:50 she said like interview panel is in a meeting, they are not in a position to take the interview. How stupid it is, if they are in meeting, why cant these HRs inform us. We were around 5 members left.

Now I am in a 1000 times better company with better HR policies.
Posted by:Vihari Sharma - 06 Dec, 2009
81:
Dear Vihari,
Commerce Velocity HR was absolutely right . By simple logic If you don't have time to attend IV , you are that interested rather just exploring . Why one should waste time for a guy who is not serious. Next if you were that much committed to your project,there was no need to put your CV in Job portal.
Be it you or anyone else playing this dirty game should be treated like this .
Ganesh Singh Replied to: Vihari Sharma - 07 Dec, 2009
82:
Hi Ganesh,

Your mail clearly says you are a HR guy, I saw your profile in linked in anyway. Vihari was right every individual has a self respect. Its not a dirty game, there are many people who wish to change, want to get out of hectic non professional work environment might not find time to get out.

So Let me tell you how my HR handled that, he was most professional guy, he asked me what time I can attend the face to face since no time slot was suitable he arranged a telephonic for me and once I got shortlisted simultaneously I went through the managerial, HR rounds cleared them all and joined.

This is right HR policy and no the one you mentioned, like the HR at CV told "Bend your head ....".
Saurav Mohanty Replied to: Ganesh Singh - 07 Dec, 2009
83:
Seetha is now Director of Commerce Velocity. Are you looking out for a job there
AdvantageIndia Replied to: Ganesh Singh - 07 Dec, 2009
84:
Dear AdvantageIndia,
You should use your name rather than your company.
Ganesh Singh Replied to: AdvantageIndia - 08 Dec, 2009
85:
Hi Vihari, I too aware of these companies, good that you got a better place to work. Never ever join these companies.
AdvantageIndia Replied to: Vihari Sharma - 06 Dec, 2009
86:
Hi Ganesh, Look at the terminology she used, should I bend my head then need to attend. Am I a begger in the street. See if you are into IT and looking for change but cought up with the deliverables, how can you find the time, She shouldnt have used that terminology.

Will you be ready bend your head infront of anybody, its a matter of self respect each and every individual having.
Vihari Sharma Replied to: Ganesh Singh - 07 Dec, 2009
87: Hi,

The Suitable word for HR is--Harassing People.
I had a very much bad experience with one of the MNC in Bangalore.I had applied for the IT Position.They had taken 6-7 rounds for this including 4 core technical & 2 for General.At the time of final HR round, they said that you are over qualified. its not suitable for desired profile. We had uploaded your cv for the future openings in our database & wl let u know later.Then i asked to Technical Recruiter firstly who had giving me lame excuses.I asked if my is over qualified then why you have taken so many rounds?
After that i met HR-Head. I had done lot of talk & argus on this.After a long discussion, she said only one bullshit word---SORRY.
Posted by:Rohit Baweja - 06 Dec, 2009
88:
Is that MNC is "IBM" or "Yahoo" or "Google".......:-)
Rajesh Replied to: Rohit Baweja - 06 Dec, 2009
89: Hey, Guys, Its really good to name HR - 'Human Resource' or 'Harassing Resource'Or Hardly Required.I'd work for an MNC ( A Software Company)in Bangalore as a HR person in recruitment field for 3 years, as my exact roll was to screening of resumes as required by company,Call candidates for Tests ( As IQ EQ,& Technical tests) I feel really sorry, as I know, feel sorry but the truth, we'd call a candidate for 15 times to company to have final intraction with the Management and to handover him a appointment letter, You know,our team lead & MD will him for final .... but in vain we always been told that, we are in a urgent meeting call him for next day....so....on with many candidates, you know main fact? Out of 20 candidates,15 will get selected in IQ,EQ Test,they've to wait for final interview with Team Mgr, MD's & HR Mgr, but in vain candidate could not make out anything in time, you some candidates use get another job as well,
And you know, we use make some candidates to hold to get best of best candidates as well, so this all happens in many IT Companies,Well, we can not blame, to a poor HR guy or a girl who calls candidates and conducts test for them,because they for the company and they've talk on behalf of the companies.Therefore, I as I know, Main 'Harassing Resource'Or Hardly Required is only top level management in every step taken by HR with the employees, and they only make them run around month plus, for their releiving letters, experience, leters, final settlement or appointment letters etc.

Well, at last I have personally regret and feel sorry for those all candidates, who have faced these challenges with HR's.I do agree with them how they go through.
Thanks..its really nice artcile to understand specially to the managers & MD's.
regards
bk_dilip@rediffmail.com
Bangalore
Posted by:Dilip - 06 Dec, 2009
90:
It's the responsibility of HR to make sure that candidates time not get wasted. You have to convey the message that it is every one's time is precious. Because every one have their plans and HR's are responsible to conduct the interviews on time. Organize them only senior members committed for the schedule. I am sorry to say that your description above shows skipping "BASIC" role of HR.
Hope this helps you make better HR.
chandra Replied to: Dilip - 07 Dec, 2009
91: I had a bad experience from IBM. The consultancy send my resume to them and they shortlisted mine and called me for the face to face interview. I had took half day leave and went for the interview, they had given me guest pass and asked me to wait in front of the interview room. They called one by one randomly, I thought interview is going on for multiple technologies. After 2 hours a lady came and read a list of names which includes mine also. She said 'YOUR RRESUME IS NOT MATCHIG WITH OUR REQUIREMENTS'. I asked this is not a walk in interview right? and who shortlisted our resume?, I already having a job and I took half day leave to attend the interview, But you simply called me to sat here for two hours. The consaltancy called me, I shouted him. He apologised and said shall I arrange a telecon interview to the same company.
Posted by:Thomas Joseph - 06 Dec, 2009
92: Hello,
Well I think Harassing Resource is the most suitable word for HR. They harass people not only at the time of interview but they keep on harassing people when they join an organisation and there real face come\\\\\\\'s when an individual is serving a notice period all of the sudden they put new rules at this time. If you want to know such company I will tell you the name
Posted by:Vinay - 06 Dec, 2009
93:
Hi,

Please tell me which is that company
Anil R.S. Replied to: Vinay - 06 Dec, 2009
94:
This is not happening at one place dude, all over
Vihari Sharma Replied to: Vinay - 06 Dec, 2009
95: Hello,
Well I think Harassing Resource is the most suitable word for HR. They harass people not only at the time of interview but they keep on harassing people when they join an organisation and there real face come\'s when an individual is serving a notice period all of the sudden they put new rules at this time. If you want to know such company I will tell you the name
Posted by:ABHAY - 06 Dec, 2009
96: Most of the Indian companies specially in Delhi/NCR calls the candidate for Urgent Interview at their own Expenses without paying T.A to the candidates. That is why the Management & HR department do not treat the candidates seriously. After many times follows the HR just answer these three statements. Even many times they just forget the candidate who appeared for the interview at his own expenses.
Posted by:Sushil Garg - 06 Dec, 2009
97: I was working with a company named v2solutions located at vashi-navi mumbai, where i experienced it. I found HR harrasing employees and not releaving them in time. I totally agree with you. Strict action should be taken against them. Even they terminated some employees, when they not required them on certain project without any notice or warning.
Posted by:mac - 06 Dec, 2009
98:
I'm agree with you dude. V2Solutions' policies for freshers are worst in India. I've heard now 2 years bond is also there for every fresher. Companies like V2Solutions are only making their business, employee satisfaction is zero.
truth Replied to: mac - 07 May, 2010
99:
I totally agree with even I am working in V2solutions
I say they have bad hr policies and bad policies for freshers,
they sign a bond and doesn't pay as companies standard.
SophiaLoren Replied to: truth - 07 Jun, 2010
100:
Hi Mac,
I completely agree with you. I too have heard about V2 Solutions creating problems for employees. I know few people who have been harassed by V2 Management. I really think strict action should be taken against them and they even write fake reviews of employee strength.
Aamir Replied to: mac - 08 Dec, 2009
101: I totally agree. Even i had same experience with HR of my company. i worked for last 2.5 years without a single complaint. But atlast, HR harrasses and doesn't relieve candidates on time because of critical work pressure in the organisation even though the notice period is served.
Posted by:funkyideas - 06 Dec, 2009
102: Hi!
Its not so much an "HR" issue as it is a cultural issue - We indians are not comfortable saying "No" to people - Its something we are slowly developing - thanks to the numerous calls offering free credit cards.
I believe the only way to combat the situation is to have enough options on hand - If I am a good resource and have interviewed at 5 places it really doesn't matter whether they will get back to me in this life or the next or if the position is on hold/ the top management has gone missing!If I am good and have applied to reputed companies - its only a matter of time before I make it.
The 2nd aspect is as an applicant I too need to interview the company and see if this is the place that I want to work with - if this is the way I get treated on the outside - imagine what it would be like inside!
Posted by:Mic - 06 Dec, 2009
103:
I agree but no one want to kill their time just giving interviews and dont care about it. Do you think your time is not precious.
Chandra Replied to: Mic - 07 Dec, 2009
104: Nice piece, just wish it was written and edited better. A badly written report can really make one lose interest in it.
Posted by:Mohan - 06 Dec, 2009
105: Hi,
I have same exprience with my company.earlier I am working on contract base.Due to my performance company want's to convert me as permenant employee.
But when I went to submit all my document to HR department,then the 2/3 HR guy's treated me in such a way that, I had decided leave this organization in coming months.
Posted by:kapil - 06 Dec, 2009
106: Excellent article and comments. Unfortunately many workers in various fields are overworked which is unfortunate but does add to the problems mentioned. This does not give them an excuse to be rude, mean, and uncaring but this behavior is common in many jobs. I have found that in any business situation it seems to be more common now not to respond, not to return phone calls,email, etc, and frequently not to even listen to phone messages, just note who called and only call them if you have something that applies to the situation. I am an independent contractor so do not deal with HR but am really tired of unreturned phone calls by other business people, unanswered cell phones, etc. If they tell you they will get back to you and then don't, I have found it is usually because they were wrong about something they told you and do not wish to admit it so they just don't call back.
Posted by:Jeremy Burns - 06 Dec, 2009
107: Guys n Gals, In one of my previous company we needed people with Oracle experience. Guess what our HR did? He went to the 'resumes' folder and searched for the word 'Oracle'.

Out came few hundred CV's. But there were at least 20 CVs where people had written that they DO NOT KNOW Oracle but since they have SQL server experience, it won't be a problem for them.

Many from these 20 - 'NOT Oracle group' were called for the interview..No point in saying if some of them eventually got the job.

It is not always the HR's fault. Senior PMs sometimes ask them to find a resource who has 100 yrs of architecture experience, 200 years of Project Management experience with MBA, PMP, proficient in Coldfusion with knowledge of SAP implementation !

No I am not HR, but just an ordinary resource! - Nisha (iITPRO.NET : Indian IT Professionals Network).
Posted by:Nisha - 06 Dec, 2009
108:
i totally agree with you, most of the time constraint and undefined tasks to the HR makes him weird. Think of the situation where the HR is from different department many of my friends they are doing their MBA and will become HR and asking them for the technology, they will fail so the HR must be appointed who is having good knowledge over the issues and technology
Prakash Replied to: Nisha - 06 Dec, 2009
109: hopeless recruiters......HR
Posted by:rasheed - 06 Dec, 2009
110:
They are not hopeless like software engineering.. SE always telling lies.
Unknown Replied to: rasheed - 06 Dec, 2009
111:
But they are not as hopeless as you.
Unknown Replied to: rasheed - 06 Dec, 2009
112: Looks like HR guys are good in digging their own grave..!

Just look at the comments made. We can easily say who is a HR guy & who is not. Most of them whom you find argumentative to comments posted are clearly the HR guys. Now am I justified with my points as said before.Remember humbleness, politeness, gentleness etc. Looks like some thing is missing in them isn't?:-) So we can only hope for da best and leave da rest to time. A simple thing. One offense & HR feels offended. So guess how a candidate feels when he is not getting a proper response. This is just a simple discussion & remember for the candidate it is his career. His life.! every thing. what should he do. sit back & bless the HR for the irresponsible & baseless responses that they give. First the feeling of responsibility itself is missing. How can u guys shoulder the responsibility of a corporate. Try to come to ground zero. Realize the work of a professional whom you want to recruit. Understand his need, his skill set required, the way their personal life is etc. Its not a easy job right. But only when a HR knows this he does a justified undisputed recruitment or appraisal. Remember this is what u guys r paid for. Every HR should know the difficulties. You are the bridge between the management & an employee. Only when you understand, an effective undisputed decision is taken. Lets say given an opportunity how many of the HR guys agree? Wana bet. Not even 20% will agree. Know why? Its the risk for their career.Its not the essay writing on HR practice at school. Its life. Please make a note gentlemen. Every employee recruited by u is under the same pressure. Every one has risk. No one is spared and that is also ensured by u HR guys. So why shouldnt it be the same pressure for HR. Lets say its just a training for qualification:-) Isnt that fair guys.! Lets see howmany guys qualify. Let the judges be the even the candidates recruited by you. Let them score your level of understanding. Let it be at any level. Junior or senior. If a HR is a real management guy. Try this out. But beware guys, may be your office operations may get stranded as most of the HR guys will resign as they will feel unsatisfied & might even resign after seeing the results of their performance score cards evaluated by their own peers.

So I would try to suggest rather to blame any HR.! Lets see if atleast this works with them. What say folks?
Posted by:Ashwin - 06 Dec, 2009
113:
Dear Ashwin,
I have been in HR for a decade now and i would not disagree with you completly. However i believe that the role of an HR is to act as a business analyst as they are the ones who interact with most staff members from cross functions. They are also supposed to act as intervention specialist and advice business on various issues. If we talk about recruitments and trainings, well thats just a small part of their job. Also let me clarify that due to a lot of paperwork, SAP issues and uncertainty of the business the HR is blamed as they are the face of the company. There are companies where the HR is not a facilitator but the driver.
Champsidhu Replied to: Ashwin - 08 Dec, 2009
114:
Hello Ashwin,

I presume that u r a techie.
Its for your kind information,HR'S DO NOT HIRE ANYONE BY THEIR WILL AND WISH. ITS THE MADNESS OF SENIOR TECHIES WHO ASK FOR RESOURCES MAKE THEM GIVE THESE ANSWERS WT U GUYS ARE TALKING ABT. Pls try to understand before you speak
Unknown Replied to: Ashwin - 06 Dec, 2009
115:
I agree with u unknown,Ashwin please try to understand and check what u have writtrn.its only ur perception.
unknown Replied to: Unknown - 06 Dec, 2009
116:
I find Ashwin very gentle and practical. I think previous comments are from HR guys, very rude. You dont like to face the truth and hence hide your "name" as well.
Ashwin actually valuing HR's and role. Advising to grow up to the standards. I find my HR's more than the employees in my company...
chandra Replied to: unknown - 07 Dec, 2009
117:
I mean HR's leaving my company so fastly.. than employees.
chandra Replied to: chandra - 07 Dec, 2009
118: By going thro' the comments itself, one can understand the thoughts or perception of professionals about "HR". India took more than 25 years to come out of 'labor law enforcement' officer to HR but unfortunately HR is still just a “road show organizer” and many times scapegoat. CEO’s discretion whether to give more rights to HR is a critical aspect, which the author of this article fails to address. Also everybody knows who’s directing HR to act as the “Oh Poor Me”. Like any other profession, there can be many people who don’t know the value of people…but it should not lead us to the blind conclusion that HR is ‘Harassing Resource’

I believe in people and their immense capabilities and hence would say, HR professional is an inevitable part of any business.
Posted by:Sree - 06 Dec, 2009
119: Thats the way it will be. After all HR is the messenger of the company. In war you can never kill the messenger. You just have to tolerate him, whatever the case may be.

And try HR job at their salary. One of the most thankless job I have known. Atleast the above answers in the article are polite enough not to directly break someone's heart.

The person is just playing the role. Outside of the company HR people are just the same as any normal person. Doesn't the sales people or marketing people have to fake their company's credentials in case of getting a good customer. Nobody is a Saint and thats the fact.

And whatever the case, I have found that all want to be on good terms with the HR people, no matter what these people might say about the HR people behind their backs.
Posted by:Abdul Kadir - 06 Dec, 2009
120: Fantastic, not only the article, but also the comments.
I support the comment if IThink that the we should think a while about the recruiter, or a HR generalist. We have to spend some time to think on the matter bfore we are going to comment on it.And we should note another point that an HR professional is just dropping those people who are no punctual, with no discipline etc. The condition that the HR thinks is purely professional and not personal.
Posted by:praveen - 06 Dec, 2009
121:
All,
We jus can blaim the entire HR Profession. Same time HR has to satisfy the emplyees and management as well. It is a thankless job. It is not the problem of the HR professionals but it is like that in nature..
Sharaf Qatar Replied to: praveen - 08 Dec, 2009
122: Fantastic people.Their first call is emergency,then never calls back!
Posted by:Deepankar - 06 Dec, 2009
123:
Nothing is with HR.. Its all decided by Management. It evaluate every point what you spoke in the interview (Both Technical & HR interview) based on that they will recruit. Its pointless to blame HR
Nirmala Replied to: Deepankar - 06 Dec, 2009
124: All should understand that HR people recruit for other departments and what they say to candidates are what they hear from those departmental heads. Whenever an HOD or a senior manager feel that his dept. needs a new person they inform HR, who start their hunt. Once the process nears completion, the HOD / senior manager would say "we may be able to manage without a new recruit" or "we have budget constraint" or "the vacancy did not get approval", etc. What the poor HR guy can do?
Posted by:Murali - 06 Dec, 2009
125:
Gracias Senores Muy Agradecido por sus Mensajes y trato de Leerlos ho Traducirlos para Responderles Att. Luis F Cristancho Rojas
LUIS FERNANDOCRISTANCHO ROJAS Replied to: Murali - 06 Dec, 2009
126:
yes, It seems hr nothing to do management will take final decision
chandra shekar.N Replied to: Murali - 06 Dec, 2009
127: Having half decade of experience of IT industry, I had always dreamt of learning from HR folks in industry. But most times, the heavy workload didn't let me do. But I had lot of respect for them. Eventually I figured out them that
they are cannibals favoring management. They even leave their humanistic feelings ... IT needs Employee Unions ...
Posted by:anonymous - 06 Dec, 2009
128: It's been interesting reading the comments posted, especially the negative one. Here's my take on the situation. It is easy to comment and point out the negative. However, before you do so, please spend some time in the other persons' shoes. Be a recruiter, trainer or HR generalist for a month (on their salaries, I might add). Experience the reality of their situation and then comment. Your views will have more validity then.
Posted by:IThink - 06 Dec, 2009
129: After learning from me when I was working as quality assurance head(Procedure for HR)...My(female) HR(Grove Limited) send me out of the organisation..That is the quality of female who doesn't have any experince in CMM level 5 company(international standards).
Posted by:VirtualAHuman - 05 Dec, 2009
130: Hi guys I feel the HR are the bum lickers of the upper management. If any HR bastards reading this beg to disagree contact me at my email id. You rascals do you even have a back bone :)))
Posted by:Neeraj Gupta - 05 Dec, 2009
131:
Go and kiss your mother's behind.
Zig Ziglar Replied to: Neeraj Gupta - 08 Dec, 2009
132:
I think this is a bit rash comment not worthy of publishing. But, reactions apart, I do agree HR has not displayed courage, not been standing up to voice the collective conscience. But that is the way many large organisations have done in the name of leading the function. B Schools need to put a bit of emphasis on creating better people, especially in HR, than better managers.
Krish, Maximus Consulting.
Krish Replied to: Neeraj Gupta - 06 Dec, 2009
133: Depending upon market scenerio, there will be good and hard time.At this peroid of time there is no point blaming HR.Only solutions for this is to be straight forward and communicate.
Posted by:wilson - 05 Dec, 2009
134:
That's what HR is critisized for Mr. Wilson. They don't provide a straight answer or solution to a problem, instead prolong it. They'll be found in cafeteria, gardens even in the company's gym or sports area but when it comes to work related queries they are a busy lot.
Vinay Mittal Replied to: wilson - 06 Dec, 2009
135: I think the value of HR department can be understood in the different manner. Think about the professionalism without HR skills. No discipline and no value of managing the human resource. The condition like the HR thinks is purely professional attitude but the way the other employees take it as personally. The HR department if work efficiently than it can incrwease the human potential upto four folded
Posted by:Prakash Nawange - 05 Dec, 2009
136: This is a wonderful one..! I cannot say even a single line is a mistake. I am a victim of all these lines as mentioned above. Its high time the HR guys tune up to the times. I could spot a guy's comment as Why blame only HR..? I would like to clarify to people that there are also people like me in the market with a focus in mind. We never jump jobs or don't leave the HR uninformed. I would like to make a statement here at this point. Please readers don't mistake me. There is no other reason for the slow prosperity or Brain drain or lack of faster growth in India. The corporates play a major role. More than that individuals play a major role. Its not only the corrupted politics. Why do people go abroad..? Why do people go misguided..? Is it only for money..? Is it only for super luxurious life..? No..! No way..! This is a FLAT WORLD friends..! Its that they are not recognized properly in our country. I wont blame the entire crowd. But ya we must admit to this fact. And why is this happening..? Its because the HR ACTIVITIES TEND TO LEAD RATHER TO FOLLOW RECRUITMENT ACTIVITIES. This going to lead to a disaster if I am correct as this process is becoming very similar and closer to the present phenomena of globalization as it was never expected to be. Here the financial system tends to lead rather to follow real economic activity which lead to all this global recession & crisis. Its high time that not only HR but all recruiters to realize that you have to be posses certain things for sure like
1. Be broad minded.
2. Be open & transparent. Communicate if a candidate is rejected.Indirectly you can help him identify his flaws and appreciate him for some thing that you found him good which will be a good piece of encouragement.
3. Ensure a right person to interview a right candidate with respect to respective candidates profile.
4. Ensure the person with Money, Authority & need to be sitting in the interview panel/ committee. Definitely the HR is a person with only targets:-) He never feels the heat when a good candidate is rejected.
5. Be on earth & try to explore ground reality. Try to analyze & succeed. Just chumma asking for people with experience or negotiating wired packages as a compromise will never solve your problem but only make things worse. There are thousand ways to fill that position & also be productive. India is a potential country for that with a huge number of resources. Once this is done, the problem of attrition is well solved. I would request the HR not to just blame the system for not doing your job properly. try to add value to the organization. Beware guys. Its just the time that organizations in India have to go lean. Try to ensure your seat. But dont harass the candidates taking this account.

Please some HR guys answer me for this question. Is there a requirement to ask a candidate about himself when you have the resume for that person in your hand..?

Ok some may say they check attitude or language at times. Cant you try to be more productive asking the candidate to talk some thing on the reason for him to be in the interview for a respective position.Isnt that more productive. Try to be sensible. Background verification can be done later. Try to know the candidate before interviewing him. That is actually your role as a HR. Sorry if Iam offensive..!
6. Remember, real attitude, skill & performance is checked at work & not in the interview. So select people & only then you can analyze them better.

7. Be humble, polite, gentle & modest. I have rarely seen HR guys with all these in one single person. On top of this they hunt for people in the market with all these in a single person... What a pity..!heh he he

8. Every individual is an opportunity. If you fail to identify this, its clear that it is you who fail and not the candidate. He moves on & its you & ultimately your company who lags.

9. Be open with your situation & requirement. Communicate the actual reason for rejecting a candidate. Atleast he will be happy to know the reason. Almost 95% candidates accept a proper reason.

10. Avoid stupid reasons like you are over qualified or your language is not upto the mark or you dont carry an American accent etc. Hey these are minor things which are due to the environment. These are subject to change. Please understand.If the candidate is over qualified try to put him with a person more qualified than him or a slot where he fits in the best. Dont reject him for being over qualified. Get his consent before rejecting him to be overqualified.At the same time dont hire a masterpiece for a wrong job. Its not his mistake to be over qualified. Similarly dont expect a Indian to have an American slang & and American to have an Indian slang. If you expect Indians to have an American slang then the location for the interview will be only immigration centers at airports or spoken English classrooms:-) and this is the expectations of Indians in Oracle :-)

and at last give some experience before you ask for experienced candidates. If all employers ask only for experienced people, where do the fresh manpower go..? They will simply migrate to places, to different domains or even deffer at times. Provide people with some experience today so that you can ask for experienced people tomorrow.

Hope I wasn't offensive..!:-)
Posted by:Ashwin - 05 Dec, 2009
137:
Your comments nice... to read

But, your mentioned certain things all not acceptable.

other said HR is a _____...etc etc......... etc...

I am asking you all who wrote the comments above:

How many are are really know about job profile?

Aswin you asked " a requirement to ask a candidate about himself when you have the resume for that person in your hand..?" yes is like a unwritten common question, which help to avoid fake candidates like who are all kicked out by Real HR professional. Evey on think it is a simple Question. I hope every one come across this question in many time. ask your self Hom many are failed to answers. Resume is the only instrument was created to use and refer the candidate in their absence. resume any one can write.

If the candidate in not able tell her/him self.. how that he going to sale his work to company

the common state in employee and employer relation is "Employee work is sale to the company"

employee are dealings with the work,HR people are dealing with human (good and bad people)

May be one HR dis wrong to the some employees.For that Saying non-sense thinks abt HR professional is a stupidity . It is not good mannerism.

Instead of doing work spending time in posting nonsense here.. the if am a HR for you will kick all of your ASS

you never come across the Real HR..

All the best.. wer every you go u need to beg the HR
pradeepKC Replied to: Ashwin - 07 Dec, 2009
138:
I agree to the words of Ashwin
Kundan Replied to: Ashwin - 06 Dec, 2009
139:
i agree to the words of Ashwin.it is the ground reason why india is lagged behind.HR persons must go through this suggestion and should help find the real human power inside men.
sagarika Replied to: Ashwin - 06 Dec, 2009
140:
Very well said Ashwin. Iam totally agree with your view. If any HR people reading this article, i would ask them to follow ashwin's path.
Shankar Pradhan Replied to: Ashwin - 06 Dec, 2009
141:
Hi Shankar! Thanx for ur reply.
Ashwin Replied to: Shankar Pradhan - 06 Dec, 2009
142:
Ashwin well said! I can feel and understand your experiences in your comments. Though it’s hard, it’s true. I feel that HR is no more a support group for a company. If I have a company I would have a guy with deep knowledge in the companies operations and then the subjective knowledge of the HR as HR manager / team. No one can judge a thing with out experiencing it. Every company should have a value message along with their vision mission statement. As the companies operations stive to achive the vision and mission within the companies Ethics. HR should strive for the value statement of the company.
Srinivas ramachandran Replied to: Ashwin - 05 Dec, 2009
143: Again and Again dont blame hr's thy too are human.
its clearly seen that those who dont know anything about what is HR is talking all rubbish and blaming others like anything.First of all who is having the decision power its the top management and hr has to implement what they say.

Mind u All u people dont have any right to talk nonsense there is a limit for your abuses which is absolutely baseless.
Posted by:brownies - 05 Dec, 2009
144:
your word is right but you have a right picture atlest you guys have tell to clear and because no body will waiting if u r given frank statement.
yogesh Replied to: brownies - 05 Dec, 2009
145: my professional colleague,

i guess the average age of the reading and reacting population will be in 20's or max 30's. None of you have seen the industrial days of 70's and 80's. The contribution of then personnel dept and now HR Dept. is tremendous in improving the dignity of labour. i urge all of you to read well about the changes in the working sector in India in last 50 yrs and you will realise the contribution of HR. Work and pay is a system laid down by civilised society to conduct themselves and live amicably. HR plays a huge role in maintaining this order. It's a reality that the management takes the praise for good work done and HR takes the blame for harsh decisions. that's the way it is. It remains one of the most thankless professions in the planet.
Posted by:George Varghese - 05 Dec, 2009
146: I can understand the frustration...but as mentioned..a call from HR, and e-mail reply or during an interview the candidate can be informed that he/she is not selected because of the desired profile does not match the skill set. The more positive way of saying it is unfortunately there are other candidates who have done well at the interview. This will give an idea to the candidate as the reason why he is not selected. If communicated clearly he/she will not wait for the reply from HR,as he already knew the result. If the main function (HR) which deals from resume screening to the final round does not reply back, I think it is a huge problem. The Human element is lost with the Human Resource Function. This is the function that should care and look into the development.
Posted by:kiran - 05 Dec, 2009
147: HR can function as "Human resource" if and only if the top management supported the novel practice, otherwise it shall be a desk to hinder the interest of prospective candidates. The manner in which most of the IT company HR professionals behaved during the recession, do indicate that when things are hostile to the Management, the style of HR tends towards "Harassing Resource". By this they have distanced prospective candidates from their Company and even the new aspirants have started looking towards the offer of employment with suspicion. Of course HR is not always to say “yes’, but they should primarily learn how to tell a pleasing and convincing "No", when things shape beyond comprehension.
Posted by:SachiBahrain - 05 Dec, 2009
148: Well, as most of them quoted its an interesting topic to have a discussion at length, a few points I have to share. Someone has quoted that "HR does not earn a single rupee" therefore it is not required. But, to remind you my friend, every single penny saved for the company is equal to a "Penny earned" for the company and thats what HR is supposed to do. I know we all do not like someone observing us or trying to tech us, but we should start accepting that "not all of us right at all times" and there has to be someone reminding on a constant basis on the right practices (that is the duty of HR). All of us must try accepting HR as a line function than just a support function and that will change the whole perspective.
Posted by:Vishwanath - 05 Dec, 2009
149: Very Well Said Rajiv [Comment No.157)

Do any of the person Interviewed reply back to the Company/HR that they are not interested in the job they were interviewed or got a better offer? Why blame HR only?

Know yourself first? Right No?

Amruth
Posted by:Amruth Das - 05 Dec, 2009
150:
ya as a candidate and the best human i replied so that due to me someone who really required that job doesnot loose that1...though i am unemployed ryt nw searching for the ryt job..that is electrical technical field..someday surely am going to get it....the thing about hr is really hardly required is correct.....

--->jay hind
amit Replied to: Amruth Das - 07 Dec, 2009
151: Bar none - TCS has the worst HR organization in the world. This is followed by their dysfunctional finance organization. They are very far from ethics and morality due to the Kumbhkaran effect.
Posted by:Rakshash Bum - 05 Dec, 2009
152: thanks for this article and all the posts, next time i would say on the face that you are rejected pls do not apply here again. after reading all this i came to know what respect people have for HR? we really need to struggle to push the candidature ahead, we are answerable to so many now i learnt it not required to be polite to such sick candidates.
Posted by:San - 05 Dec, 2009
153:
sorry....its not about being required to be polite to "sick candidates". Please dont call candidates sick, it makes me feel sick being a hardcore and passionate HR senior.
All candidates are genuine and passionate about themselves and come to you to try getting a job. Whether they meet the required skills or they dont, THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO BE TREATED WITH RESPECT. PERIOD.
SAGAR KUNTE Replied to: San - 05 Dec, 2009
154: The problem does not end here ladies and gentlemen. You give a wonderful interview, settle your package and you have a blast for your new, but thats just the begining. Your project allotment is in their hands, your various letters are at their stake. Every HR forgets that they are the support functions. They dont earn a single penny for the organisation.They are in the organisation to make our lives smooth since we are the staff who earn for the company.
Posted by:Sujoy Upadhyay - 05 Dec, 2009
155: the basic ideas of employee engagement, fringe benefits, employee recognitions, performance management, outings, free health insurance, compensation & benefits, holidays, Saturday dressing concept, all employee friendly policy, promotion strategy. employee discount on company's product ,etc are the proposal of H R department to the highest level policy makers who just give an approval. so one should not forget the services rendered by HR department before blaming it. hiring is the JOB of a H R and firing is job of concerned department, HR just facilitate the firing process, but talent identification Talent hunting =, sourcing the right candidates, these all are done by a HR thats why an employee is in the Job.
Posted by:Haragovind Singh - 05 Dec, 2009
156: this is such a sorry excuse for an article, so badly written(or quoted!)

HR is not so much a Strategic Function now as it is an Operational Necessity. Sad but true! And having sold B services to the same, I have borne witness to their wholesome dumbing down, over the years.

With minimal thought leadership and initiative, they are more a liability for organisations- reason why some of the smaller companies outsource to us.

Spare a thought, for those who choose to put their rears on the line and actually do some good work. Unfortunately there are so few left.
Posted by:cary - 05 Dec, 2009
157:
True and sad what you say. But i look towards those "few" rather than seek solace in the many. And what few are we talking about? You will find just a "few" good leaders at the top, just a "few" dedicated operations managers, just a "few" good team members, just a "few" good politicians and so on and so forth.
HR is not a job, it is a CALLING. Anyone seeking a career in HR, please go somewhere else
SAGAR KUNTE Replied to: cary - 05 Dec, 2009
158: Hi,
Interesting topic to debate on.One can go taking at length about it. I would also like to share some of my experiences here. I am a Business Development Guy having 7 years work experience, worked as a Business Development Manager for almost 5 years. To begin with, I will be forthright to accept flaw in my resume, I have changed quite few companies and that gives my resume a look of an unstable person. Ofcourse, those changes were made owing to certain unavoidable circumstances (Which primarily includes familial constraints). I have always been in this loop, HR guy shortlists my resume, calls me for an interview and I have a HR person in front me questioning me as to why did I leave so many organizations and didn't stay with one for a longer duration. I fire back asking them, did u not look into my resume before calling me for an interview. If u are apprehensive from the word go, then why waste both of ours time (things which can be discussed over a phone call and sorted should be taken care in that manner instead our HR fellas,have started behaving like people who can summon any one any time and question them right in front of them, this is certainly not needed).Second, I find it inappropriate for a HR person to be asking questions to a Sales personnel or for that matter a technical guy (Once u have noted the explanations that you received during your conversation on phone with the candidate, one should simply put that up on the candidates resume and if the guy is still suitable from a functional perspective put him up to the functional guy) reason is simple. HR cannot possibly master all functions. there function is and should be to act as a facilitator. where-in they should facilitate by pulling out resumes in line with the requirement given by the functional people and put them across functional heads. After the functional heads have had their round of questioning, the HR person can step in again and question in line of knowing a person's psyche, based on their findings if the functional person has given a go ahead for the candidate as suitable from a function perspective, HR should work towards building an environment and training programs and policies where-in the employee feels secure in the company and in it's working culture. Unfortunately we have a system which is a bit different, here the functional heads, I wouldn't say all, but many for that matter ask the HR person to test the person's psyche, and in most of the cases, the candidate feels, why am I being questioned by HR guy, when I am not at all going to work in that department (this excludes candidates those who are there for HR positions). This is where I lost it most of the times, I am not sure how many of you would agree. In addition to this, I certainly do not understand one thing, how can one ask a question like "Tell me something about yourself?", which still makes me look at my resume and ask a question to myself, does this resume look that of a fresher? And funny thing, it is sometime asked by a person, who is junior to me in designation and as well as experience. I hope this discussions, helps our brilliant HR folks to rectify certain flawed process and concentrate more on making a the work place more friendly towards people who want to join them in their organization and work towards formulating ideal policies.
Posted by:Sagar - 05 Dec, 2009
159:
Friends, please ignore the typo errors made.
Thanks-Sagar
Sagar Replied to: Sagar - 05 Dec, 2009
160: HR is short form of Himesh Reshamiya ... :D
but there is no difference in this HR and company HR ...
U like it or not ... u have to hear his songs ... :D
Posted by:anuj - 05 Dec, 2009
161: these HR people are (H-ighly R-eckless people)who wont even bother about intimating the result to the person who seeks a job when it is negative. they feel as if they are the once who give bread and butter and they are the ultimate. they even forget that at least once they felt the same about the HR.
Posted by:ravi - 05 Dec, 2009
162: Sare HR wale Punjab aa jaooo ,, assi sabka dimag thik kar dawange ,,, HR walo kee liyee galii bhii kaam padegiii ,, i dont want to insult the "degnity of Gali",,, God give peace to these dirty souls in hell,,,,
Posted by:killtheHR - 05 Dec, 2009
163: HR : humbly reduculus
Posted by:hate hr - 05 Dec, 2009
164: this is true. when co wants to squeeze anyone's happyness they put HR in front. when there is any party they behave like careting staff. while u r part of org they give u no values when u r out they r prompt in replying to your queries pertaining to F&F & exp letter. useless guys
Posted by:raj - 05 Dec, 2009
165: yup,,hr,,i had also a big exp wid so called hr...highly ragbag,home for ramblers,hunt randomly,causing human rankle,and humurous....,many words,,,theres one branded firm ,indian mnc,,which has been in campus recruitment in top b school,,,and these hr people are campus recruiting for last 2.5 months,that too when they are for campus tecruit for 1wt time ,,,i mean same national slogan ,well get back to u,,,can any of u people believe ,dat in d history of campus recruitment,,any firm has taken this timee,,,,shame on them,,,please explain them any of the guys ,,the meaning of campus recruit,,////either they need to throw away whole hr deptt..or replace wid them some one who can handle it all,,,cheers
Posted by:rahul - 05 Dec, 2009
166:
one more thing i forgot,,,these highly responsive people ,dont have their fundamentals in any of the multidisciplinary areas in an organisation,,still they r given d task of shortlisting people in engineerng,managementt,,etc,etc,,,biggest joke of millionium na guys
rahul Replied to: rahul - 05 Dec, 2009
167: The commets seem to be unending. HR manager is a manager of the managers.Normally he must possess the 4 C's ie. Competence, confidence, capacity for decision making and communication skill. I must belive that the problem discussed is a matter of lack of or delay in decision making. The copy book describes a novice's possible reaction to poblems as below,-
A novice may adopt one of the following actions in the face of a crisis. (actions listed are only illustrative and not specific to any person, state or region)
1) Solve it as per her/ his personal judgment
2) Consult a book or a peer
3) Take help from a public man, immediate boss, or leader of the community
4) Parley the problem by entering into long correspondence
5) Ignore the problem altogether in an attitude of resignation
6) Provide a temporary solution to cover up the symptoms (in a way sweep things under carpet)
7) Loose temper and throw the blame on others
8) Try to get away from the environment seeking administrative or political relief (like trying for transfer etc.)
9) Go to the press exposing whomsoever can be a threat to her/ his existence or peace.
10) Panic and run away from the problem (resign, take leave, proceed on tour, go for higher studies etc.)
Posted by:Prof(Dr.) Ramakumar,V. - 05 Dec, 2009
168: Wonderful
I agree to this. Its true. I have seen these excuses a lot many times.
Posted by:shambhu - 05 Dec, 2009
169: The article here is very interesting has it have favour what is we called fact. I had too faced similar situation and as the time gone I had learned the strategy of companies anytime. Maybe your are employed or not. They are playing cards with the people values. At the time of Interviews there are undetermined urgency of people that they give hardly any time to think while after getting jobs we many times faces situation like all worst of job is here. At the time, people should carefully select the companies. also should not hurry up at the risk of your position. Negotiation is the key, which can play a major role during interviews. I had read somewhere that, saying 'No' is also a healthy habit when you know it is not possible. It is this point where majority of risk is involved. I never say that you should tell always no, but it can turn your way of life too. Then it may be Interview or Negotiation while Project handlings. In both cases, what you say is important is what Management notes it. By the way methodology of Management is “Do or Die”
Posted by:Jayant Patil - 05 Dec, 2009
170: We are committed to assisting highly skilled professionals with their job search. In the current challenging business environment, we are focusing significant time and effort on identifying job opportunities for our candidates. When we find an opportunity that is a match for your skills, we will contact you immediately. Until then, please know we are working hard to find the right position for you.
Posted by:Ashok - 05 Dec, 2009
171: wow, you called the Human Resources Department over ten times? No wonder they put you off. Seems the problems in the article are those of the writer and not necessarily what occurs in what used to be called the "Personnel Department". Seems like there's some misunderstanding going on there.
Posted by:Christie Fox - 05 Dec, 2009
172: Really the HR people are sick people. They simple talk about ethics and principle. They are people without power but always talk nonsense. I really had experience with HR people especially Noida HR,they fired around 60 person in sep.2009 including me.even i was hired by the company from sapient and those sick people fired me.The HR head is really sick over there he want flowers please send him flowers.
Posted by:Hks - 05 Dec, 2009
173:
who fired you? HR or your manager? and why did they fire you? do ask these questions for yourself before commenting.
Priyanka Replied to: Hks - 06 Dec, 2009
174:
My dear boy the HR never hired you so there is no question of them firing you. They just facilitated your hiring and firing. Did you have the balls to go and talk to your manager about it? I am sure "not".
Champsidhu Replied to: Priyanka - 08 Dec, 2009
175: I do agree with both HR and employees/Job seekers. As said HR have their responsibilities balanced between employee and employer but they can be little human to tell the truth to the employee without dragging or with complex statements. HR way of speaking are very tricky when it comes to negotiating package or negotiating hike. All they say is "We have plans of increasing the package/hike in near future or in next appraisal" of which there is no future at all. I have heard this starting from offer letter to all the appraisals.
Management says "I know you have done a lot in this project but sorry about what had happened, I will surely take this to higher management or I promise you in next appraisal" of which there will not be any talk in future and the word promise is like written on water.
All they speak so smart is like piercing a needle in a banana.
As long as you do not complain and do your work like a slave, you are a good employee. but when you complain or resign then you are an irresponsible and hard heart employee leaving the project unfinished.
Posted by:Shuaib - 05 Dec, 2009
176: hi everybody
hr is like bhism pitamah who can not enjoy family life due to his father shantanu (boss),he/she has to look on the side of kauravs (union leaders) even after they are knowing this is wrong,still he/she has to wish for the victory of pandavas (workers). In this bargain they have to lye on sharshaiyya(comments from all the sides).they have ichcha mrityu vardan (from management) but they can not even die till surya goes uttarayan (another hr is recruited)
Posted by:budhpal - 05 Dec, 2009
177:
True experience of corporate life as "Kalyug ka Maha Bharat". Sad part Bharat is always involved. No worries remember "Work is GOD" - Jai Shri Krishna and Freelancing Jai Ho!
Gods_must_be_crazy Replied to: budhpal - 07 Dec, 2009
178:
good explaination abt HR.............Kalyug ka Mahabharat
shraddha Replied to: budhpal - 05 Dec, 2009
179: This is really informative article. I would like to share one of my experience with SI. Recently I was working with Apollo Infosystem Pvt. Ltd. Bangalore. I was looking for some change in my profile. One day I got a mail from Source One PVt. Ltd. for the post of IT Recruiter. I went over the interview and selected. I told to the the HR that I need at least a week time because I have to inform current working company. But HR Refuse my request and told me to join immediately! I Joined next day and send a mail to my current firm stated that I might resign for current employment.
I went a week to Source One where I got selected. But I found that there is no proper system or place to sit to do work. One week they played a high drama like we would provide training. After a week the HR call me and tell right now we do not have requirement. We would plan to make another team. It might be formulated after a week so we plan to expand your joining date and we would inform later.
When I called after a week to the HR even I did not get any recall from the company I came to know the fact that my joining date may take 1 or 2 months.
What a beauty way of stuffing people. Now I do not have any job in my hand. Please be aware of private organization.
Victim Vidya
Posted by:Vidyadhara - 05 Dec, 2009
180:
Dear, Victim Vidya,

Can you tell me what happen to the previous employer? They had trusted you for their job, and you sent an e-mail and disappeared because you got a better offer. You thought for your benefit, and gave up commitment and integrity their?

Now you are demanding commitment and integrity from another company. Applause
SRS Replied to: Vidyadhara - 12 Dec, 2009
181:
drag dis company to court ,,n b ready wid ur papers to show,,
you have suffered bcos of this
rahul Replied to: Vidyadhara - 05 Dec, 2009
182:
Hi Vidya,

Being an HR proffessional one thing I can surely tell you that what they did to you was an utter nonsense...I don't know if you communicated your feelings to them and made them understand the fact that this way they are playing with people's career...its always advisable to think thousand times before you take such a big decision...

Kumar
Nagendra Kr Singh Replied to: Vidyadhara - 05 Dec, 2009
183: HELLo u all

See to some i need to tell HR is HR there is no substitute for that.HR is somthing that is like same as other departments only reason we HR are in direct contact with top management.
We are doing what we have been told and its not our final decision that we hire u r not.

people just dont know wat is HR and evn shame on u who did HR MBA.and commenting ur perception on hr.companies cannt work without HR for long if u all think the same ways as u said in the comments..please do the work that is given to u first of all.

we are not fools sitting here as HR to be underestimated in any way by u all.

All have their own work and u MBA's (HR)u all out thr better dont join any HR team with these mentality.if u all have these kinda mentality then no wonder y u are not chosen for the post is clear.

Am a 1 yr experienced HR prof now seeking HR jobs.
I know wat is HR and i Will nevr Agree to all thes baseless perceptions of u all.

U people better TALK LESS AND WORK MORE than to comment such stupidity.MIND UR BUSINESS>DONT TEACH HR"s

WE ARE HUMAN RESOURCE
Posted by:chaithanya - 05 Dec, 2009
184:
Hi Chaitanya
Who said that HRs are Fools ? I believe no one yet has commented that. I think You HRs think that other People are fools and only a resource that can be used and thrown.
Do you guys ever feel what goes in ur mind when u go for an interview and HR says, we will get back to you Instead of saying Sorry u are not selected ?
Every Professional is strong enough to understand that he or she didnt got selected due to some reasons. Then why the hell do u guys tries to give hope or False commitments ?
Try to think this. You will understand what it means.
If you are an HR try to change and adopt where your policies are lacking rather then carrying Wrong thoughts.

I wish you guys learn in future and bring good trends. All the best.
Shambhu Replied to: chaithanya - 05 Dec, 2009
185:
Hi Shambu,

When we are also called we to listen these k,at times its something like a better way of speaking thats all.if u cud understand what it real means then y r u get so tensed?

Relax,there is always a better way of speaking for evrything.
chaithanya Replied to: Shambhu - 06 Dec, 2009
186:
u better mind ur business,whatever written in this aarticle is almost cent percent true,u r having only 1 yr experience in HR field,just grow up man,u r not in that position to support for ur proffesion....all HR's are selfish,they don't understand the feelings of a candidate...
susanta Replied to: chaithanya - 05 Dec, 2009
187:
What u want us to tell feedback for ur interview...? many a times candidates having 4-5 yrs of exp. were survyving just bcoz of IT Boom. after there interview if we get feedback like" This Candidate is technically very poor, he is not clear even in basics." u want us to tell this kind of feedback on ur face...? we will do it from next time. better u people be ready...and don't abuse again to us for that kind of language and feedback. Respect urself and others too. we all are Human Beings and HR is "Human Resource" no one can change it.
An HR obiviously Replied to: susanta - 06 Dec, 2009
188:
Hi Sushantha,

What field ur into?
When u say we dont understand,what about us?
Does anybody tried to nderstand HR?
chaithanya Replied to: susanta - 06 Dec, 2009
189:
Shut your language Mr.
I am trying for jobs in North America not to talk about them in India and sabi ek hi thaali ke chate bate hai sb.
Ashok Replied to: chaithanya - 05 Dec, 2009
190:
All the best
brownies Replied to: Ashok - 06 Dec, 2009
191:
Do not lose your temper Mr.chaithanya then you are losing your HR qualities who speak so smart and calm turning down the request of employees very easily. You are such a great people who cheat the employees in a very diplomatic way.

"U people better TALK LESS AND WORK MORE than to comment such stupidity.MIND UR BUSINESS>DONT TEACH HR"s" >> if you could say others to talk less and do the work then why should not others teach you(HR"s").
I just like to know how you HR people could make fake promises to employees. Do you expect that employees work like a slave without complaining for their appraisals?

Could you please explain why in all organization the new comer gets more than who is already working for you?

Why do all the HRs become so humble and care to meet the employee to explain his huge responsibilities and importance in the organization and make fake promises to the employess when he/she resigns which was not done when he/she was working for the firm.
Shuaib Replied to: chaithanya - 05 Dec, 2009
192:
I really didnt understand ur prob.once u clear it i can give uthe explanation.and please go through these comments above.I think ur so disturbed.
brownies Replied to: Shuaib - 06 Dec, 2009
193:
Hi Chaithanya,

I totally agree with your statements. HR is the one who recruit the right person for the right job at the right time. The HR Team help the Organization to balance their talent force and make flexible benefits, introduce policies, culture etc. The HR Team take care of the A-Z process of employee's. This can be done only if the company has got an excellent HR team.

Chaithanya - Ur comments are good, but being an HR, you should not be rude and plz do not comment like this. Be Diplomatic while speaking, thats my advice.

And more over I am not an HR, but I know the functions of an HRD.
Atul Krishna Replied to: chaithanya - 05 Dec, 2009
194:
Atul,
ya well said.see sometimes we too get disturbed for these unneccassary comments.i would like to tell SI not to put such topics in detail,as all departments undergo some problem or the other.

thanks,
chaithanya
chaithanya Replied to: Atul Krishna - 06 Dec, 2009
195:
I think now u r cool, I guess. Being an HR - The first thing is to be "Diplomatic". Keep this word always in your mind, then you will get succeed in your profession. "Think and Speak always"

Regards,
Atul Krishna
atulkrishna4you@gmail.com
Atul Replied to: chaithanya - 06 Dec, 2009
196:
yah sure,thanks.
unkown Replied to: Atul - 07 Dec, 2009
197:
Please correct me if I am wrong, in my understanding and experience- HRD - means HUMAN RESOURCE DISTRUCTION,any way i do not balme the HR as a person,most of the top management want HR for projecting the management problem through some chelas,hence the existance of HR.
Pillai Replied to: Atul Krishna - 05 Dec, 2009
198:
Yes, you are right because to be diplomatic in HR is one of the major attributes.
Ashok Replied to: Atul Krishna - 05 Dec, 2009
199: well i m not agree with da statement...its nt "harressing Resource" rather it may be called as "Hearing Resource" or "Healthy Recruitments" or "Healing Relations". it is not only concerned with recruitment but it means alot to the successful running of an organization. apart from recruitment it manage all ur relations and work as a backbone to increase communication,interaction nd help employees to reduce stress generating from work pressure specially for marketing people. and it practically do so plz dont call it as Harressing Resource which gives employees the freedom to speak and making decisions and also save you from the typical Tailor's approach of making money like a machine..
Posted by:Burhan Uddeen Shibli - 05 Dec, 2009
200: "HR"
THEY ARE BEST SUITED FOR INDIAN POLITICS, THEY DON'T KNOW THE MEANING/VALUE OF HUMAN RESOURCE, THEY ARE BEST SUITED FOR COWBOY JOB.
WORST BEGINS FIRST FROM HR TILL RESIGNATION
REGARDS
SATISH
DUBAI
satish.hakladi@gmail.com
Posted by:SATISH - 05 Dec, 2009
201: It is good to discuss two school thoughts. I have some suggestion for HR. please inform the candidate the status, if the decision is not favor send a regret, so that candidate look for alternate.

HR also having the responsibility to manage the balance between employee and employer.
Posted by:Raja - 05 Dec, 2009
202: Yes I do agree,HR role must be only to balance the interest of the top management and the employees both.On these going days HR interview is like police and thieves, asking silly questions and making true person to become Lair.
Posted by:binson - 05 Dec, 2009
203: Hire and fire the dirty but necessary to sustain a business, there are a lot of complication and emotion involved in that. It is a touchy area no one wants to do that, because they want to LOOK GOOD in the cost of company.
But, someone has to do that. HR Dept does that, By paying the price of looking like a villain, and ridicule at.
Posted by:Smruti - 05 Dec, 2009
204: I can very relate to the above article. Recently gave an interview and due to some problem with timing they said that you are there on hold so can really feel the heat of this article
Posted by:Rashi - 05 Dec, 2009
205: Yes I do agree, I am Prakash, MBA HR looking for HR job from last 5 months , till now I have attented 34 Interviews{ 8 companies & 24 consultancies ). In all the interviews the common words heard by me are
\" we will get back to u \", \" we will let you know \". No one will give on spot result. The unique thing is that in every interview I have qualified till final round, but in final round my result will be negetive. I dont know am wondering about this. It seems now, unfortunatly I have choosen HR has my Specialisation, HR is only meant for only FEMALES.... [Boys are in-capable to HR job, this is what our corporate world as thought me]. HR proffesionals in corporates are looking only the negtive things in candidates but nobody will see what is positive things in him. I am an very good example for this. I have secured less marks in 12th (below 50%) but things that I am the top scorer in degree and in my Post graduate in college (7 distinctions), till now nobody has appretiated this. HR will see what was Prakash 5 back, but no one will see what is Prakash Today.
Posted by:Prakash AP - 05 Dec, 2009
206:
Hi Prakash, Desperation, Thats the uniqueness of the HR specility, dont feel like you are one in a crowd in a organisation like the IT, Eng, R&D and Sales guys......of course u would be one of a few HR in a organisations where u will fon 100 of these mentioned guys in a bunch oing nothing but following blindly likes sheeps what their herd leaders says.........and when ever they find time try to compare themselves stupidly with the other companies benifits and facilities to the place where they are (you will find no end to it...... even they change to an other place they will do the same)
But HR is an unique and scare job oppurtunity (when comparing to these monotomous positions i have earlier mentioned), once you have the confidence you have qualified for it you are in a better scope to get to the top in the field.... yes staters are always in a trouble because when u are chosen in an interview your qulaity has to be tested to your experience only as there will be no like to like to compare you in the organisation (but in the positions i have mentioned when they are recruited in 100s the only crieteria is whether the candiate is like a available model in the company as there is a easy way to shape them for the job as there is trial and error precidents)
I see your personal experience, i will share mine i completed my Masters in HR in 1993, from a premium university in Tamilnadu, i was a science student till my school days hoping for enginnering as a education, but when i got into HR and Management and completed my five years of studies, i had the same problem for one year in sourcing a job,(i was doing some correspondence courses and appearing for exams of the Public Sector) and i started my career in 1994, one year later as an apprentise in HR with a stipend, but once i was in i got into the executive category of the company within 9 months an was heading a unit of the company independently as a HR.
So its a easy way after the tough start......... and dont get bugged with these stupid comments that you see in this article as they suite only the sheeps of the positions i have mentions who as a herd look only at one thing at a time as the leader would make them see............ as i always love to say -Saying NO is an art, but saying YES and meaning NO is a greater art and that is Human Resources.

M. RAJESH THOMAS
00966552904182
Manager HR
Start teaching others what you know,
you may end up learning more.
Rajesh Thomas Replied to: Prakash AP - 07 Dec, 2009
207: HR Managers are muke spectators in this corporate world...Most of our companies are manager driven company....And these HR Managers dont have any say......Even during recession Infy and Wipro were not able to curb the atirition............I think HR role is a defunct role in the current scenario
Posted by:anurup - 05 Dec, 2009
208: To precisely comment on this article i would like to ask What do you think is the role of HR?
HR has to balance the interest of the top management and the employees both. And if their is no opening or the candidate has not delivered properly in his interview, are we going to hire them?
No way a company in this tough competitive world will entertain such people.
The best way is to say, we will get back to you.
And you have your answer lying in this statement.
And ofcourse we always wait for the top managements decision, we are not going to pay the candidate from our pocket ( you know HR is paid lesser than the Engineers. Though HR has the post of manager - still considered the cost centre..then why to increase further cost by recruiting an individual).
And for the position is on hold - sir ofcourse someone suitable is not there or may be the company is thinking of promoting its own employee to that post.
Nothing new in these things.. i dont know why people curse the HR department.
HRD simply devises the policies and after the approval they execute and monitor..say whatever but put your self in the shoes of an HR see the results..
Of course you dont want to raise the manufacturing cost in an organisation.
Be a wise HR. Likewise be wise like an HR.
Posted by:Lalita Thakur - 05 Dec, 2009
209: The article is nothing more than a hilarious piece which should be enjoyed as it is :) It shows immaturity and one- sided generalized views of the writer. We all think "our" jobs are most imp. while others have nothing better to do than play games as mentioned above.
Every job requires has certain aspects which may not be appreciated by other stakeholders...if you look closely even your job has aspects conflicting with "someone/ some grp" of the org.
The bottom-line is may be yes, there are certain aspects which can be improved upon, but one needs to broaden their outlook that HR is not just about making employees play some games on friday and keep track of their attendance..
peace
P.S. I appreciate the post for one thing ..it has helped many vent out their frustrations..Good work , “Need to improve Writer.”
Posted by:Pooja - 05 Dec, 2009
210: Ya that's a quite truth we all know. On these going days where the employment is getting quiet a difficult term, these HR personnel really don't care the dreams of any level of candidates. Just be some human..
Posted by:ridhvi - 05 Dec, 2009
211: The basic idea is that the current systems are based on the western model of work culture and is hardly suitable for the Indian environment.
There are as many morons in HR as there are morons in the general employee pool.
And as far as the IT/MNC companies go they are there in India 'only' for the cost advantage and their business ethics speak for itself.
The quality of work that they do is another indicator, inspite of all the hype the majority of the projects are low risk and often involve outdated tech that the US companies don't want to do anymore.

The top management lacks any idea what risk is after all if they could make money out of low risk work why should they bother.

And I don't think anything is wrong 'Job Hopping' after all most companies or rather 'HR' pegs a persons value based on their previous salary scale and the number of projects.

And I have seen equally bad candidates who blow up their resume and have poor work culture.
Posted by:chandra - 05 Dec, 2009
212: gr8 to see such comment.........yes HR major work is too make the other guy in trouble....when ever som proble will come they will simply divert the mouth of the monster(problem) to the Techical guys.....
Posted by:chandan - 05 Dec, 2009
213: Really the HR people are sick people. They simple talk about ethics and principle. They are people without power but always talk nonsense. I really had experience with HR people especially Accenture HR . I cleared two rounds of interview and they told me to come to office to get the offer letter. In Accenture office the HR people delayed for almost 3 hours and were acting as if they are favouring me by giving the offer. After waiting for 4 hours one sick lady HR comes and tells that the Current CTC is too high and cannot meet the expected CTC as the senior people are not giving approval. Please check the mail below send by the Accenture HR team.
" This is to inform you that you have been called to collect your Offer Letter tomorrow at the below address –

Accenture Services Pvt Ltd.
Divyashree Technopark Sez
Sy No 36/2 Kundalahalli Village
K R Puram Hobli, Bangalore East Taluk
Whitefield
Bangalore-560066

Acenture has a unique reference ID for all New Joiner Candidates and your’s is:
Pls make a note of this and bring it with you when you report at our office.





However, we would like you to carry the following documents when you come to collect the offer.

· EAF (This is the form that the Team has sent you as a soft copy)

· PAN CARD

· SALARY REVISION LETTER or LATEST PAYSLIP

· HIGHEST EDUCATIONAL DOCUMENT

· last 3 yrs work documents
Contact person for Whitefield office is: Nina Bheda


Pls contact this person when you reach the office.
Thanks & Regards,
"

Being one of the so called TOP companies it is act of disgrace at there end. They don't have any rights to waste somebody precious time and money involved.
Posted by:user - 05 Dec, 2009
214:
Oh Man, I thought I was the only one who had this kind of an experience with Accenture. I have to say that it probably the worst HR team in the industry. Its a horrifying experience for outstation candidates like me.

The complete lack of professionalism is astounding.
Deepak Replied to: user - 05 Dec, 2009
215:
Very true.. I also had similar exp.
Tarun Replied to: user - 05 Dec, 2009
216:
Hi,
This could be just one off case but in last 5 year i can count at least 15 odd cases where interviewee comes out of interview pretending to take a imp call & vanished without informing anyone. Guess why ? Just because he was unable to answer satisfactory even in those areas which are highlighted in the CV and claims to be master of them.
Now what you expect from that HR guy ...
Ganesh Singh Replied to: user - 05 Dec, 2009
217: Hai Everyone,

Think Big. Lot more to do guys its better to concentrate in something which is productive.If you have that ability change something else go with the change.

We are in the world which never accepted anyones justification and importance.We know we are good go with that.

King
Posted by:King - 05 Dec, 2009
218: Frankly HR will be doing something that is why they are paid by any company.
Obviously in a Tech company an Engineer is more important than a HR. So there is no point comparing. They are being paid accordingly for what they are doing.
For example it is their responsibility to map needs of organizations (decided to a large extent by technical interviews in IT Companies) with the prospective candidates. It falls upon them to choose the best possible candidate at cheapest price.

In large companies junior HRs' frankly do clerical job and nothing else.

If you look at it even in MBA it is fields like Finance, Marketing and Operations which enjoy a higher status than HR. HR people generally do not end up becoming CEOs'.
So they do what they are expected to do. They are just a support department in any company and they are treated that way

For HRs' who are saying how hard they work well Engineers obviously work a lot harder than HR Does. HR is generally out of Office by 6 pm. This is a fact.
Posted by:Varun - 05 Dec, 2009
219:
Sorry dear I wont buy your last point that HR guys leave office at 6.
I am an HR with a BPO and here the agents timings are fixed they start making hue and cry for the delay of 10mins because of any cab issue and next day we recieve 10mails from the agents on the same issue.
But we The team of 7 HR and one Mgr four are the Female HR and even they stretch for 3-4 Hrs on average of 4days in a week. so u can understand what will be happening with male HRs.
rakesh Replied to: Varun - 05 Dec, 2009
220: Everybody recognises the need for HR deptt. If you have great Human resources only then can you be a truly great company. The issue is with the 'diplomatic' HR personnel I have come across. Evade and Escape - an army tactic seems so be the cornerstone of HR interaction. Never say Yes, never say No, just waffle, do not commit. Diplomatic is a good word but abused in this context.
Posted by:pradeep - 05 Dec, 2009
221:
They are H(ardly) R(esponsible) persons,runs errands for their bosses,neatly dressed frontline staff,ignorance (of selection, b'cause backdoor entrant)is their bliss. The less said the better.

The outsourcing of HR is recommended.
ashish Replied to: pradeep - 05 Dec, 2009
222: In my opinion HR means HORSE RIDERS. They treat candidates as HORSE & try to ride them when ever there work comes.... Fully Selfish persons r they..
Posted by:Jairaj Gaur - 05 Dec, 2009
223:
I DO AGREE VERY MUCH.....
CHANDRU Replied to: Jairaj Gaur - 05 Dec, 2009
224: This is really strange to see comments in huge numbers. I think our so called Project Managers are the most useless creatures or atleast no better than HR guys . Facts is, this kind of attitude is common in any professional but HR being the public face, everyone enjoys finding a problem in them . Guys, just try and get a good guy for your project then you will realize what value HR is adding to a Org.
Posted by:Ganesh Singh - 05 Dec, 2009
225:
"Prakash Ranjan"

The HR has been corectly described in the article.
The time has come for these people to change the sentence of we will get back to you/call you later.
They are limited to the hiring and induction only.
These days they are becoming funwari team just to organise the fashion shows and the tambola for their own fun in the name of operational engagement.
They are just the 20% of the people who are drawing the 80% the salary of the employee who can benefit more to the company.
Prakash Replied to: Ganesh Singh - 05 Dec, 2009
226: Correct. Almost all the HR's I have seen are "close confidants" of big bosses and they will do anything to stay like that!
Posted by:bhuth - 05 Dec, 2009
227: Work is God. Hence HR seems to be Heavenly Resouce but not Heavily Resource :)
Posted by:God\'s must be crazy - 05 Dec, 2009
228:
OK Chal na tera na mera Khota paisa. HR = Harnessing Resources
Gods must be crazy Replied to: God\'s must be crazy - 08 Dec, 2009
229: HR stands for HARDLY REQUIRED.Their job is to lick the backs of their bosses and keep them happy. They have nothing to offer and just waste company's resources.
Posted by:Aasheesh Kumar - 05 Dec, 2009
230: Hi,
I agree, some improvement is necessary in HR.
one point I will sugest only..
First HR round , if passed then Technical Round to save both side energy.
Posted by:Samir - 05 Dec, 2009
231: finally, we got the balls to speak up but is this gonna change anything. no perhaps not. the policies are such that HRs would grow more and more cold. they have to save the company's interests and their own asses because they are just support group u see. it's the real revenue earners of the company who are expendable. it's called the cruel irony.
Posted by:bijunator - 05 Dec, 2009
232: I dont agree with this article, being in hr it is actually the way we have to call a candidate for the next round.After all, even the hr has to work only when it gets orders from the top management.
Posted by:Seema Negi - 05 Dec, 2009
233: i would tend to agree with the article that most HR "professionals" in the IT sector are general purpose "clerks" who can operate the HR system for various transactional activities like new hire, movement, pay fixation, resignation etc. None of them -- and i speak after 20 years in the business -- have the foggiest idea of what an IT professional wants or how he could or should be helped ... and so command no respect from the IT community.
Posted by:Prithwis Mukerjee - 05 Dec, 2009
234:
I dont think the cheapskits like you belong to the iT community.
Pls do not spoil the respect for this community by calling yourself a "IT Community"
Unknown Replied to: Prithwis Mukerjee - 05 Dec, 2009
235:
Does that mean that all IT people are general purpose technicians who only know one thing "ctrl C + ctrl V"?

Why generalize the work? Do you know anything about training, recruitment, psychometric analysis, or better still ORGANIZATIONAL DEVELOPMENT? Do you know what Thomas Profiling is?

Now as your "ego" is hurt, I guess to give me a fit reply, you will "google" all these words and give me fit answer. Isn't it?

No offense as I am also an Engineering Grad. My point is, try to see the other side before you comment.

Also, from the purview of the rest of the management especially HR, the IT professionals are perceived as "Greedy Job Hoppers" who wouldn't sit steady with a job, given an opportunity of "bigger, fatter" salary.
Jigar Replied to: Prithwis Mukerjee - 05 Dec, 2009
236:
Mr. Prithwis Mukherjee,

Your comment shows how cheap you think.
And HR ppl are not here to spread red carpet and welcome the cheapskits like you.If you are getting your "wage" on time in your company thats because of the mercy shown on you by these "general purpose clerks".

I really pity the HR who has hired a you. May be you did not have the guts to show your cheap attitude in front of them.
We should keep quiet, thinking "barking dog does not bite"
Unknown Replied to: Prithwis Mukerjee - 05 Dec, 2009
237:
Very Cheap Thinking, u ur self called IT Industry, it is just like abusing them who identified ur qualities bt i must say they mistaken taking u, U dont deserve where you are.

God bless u
amruta Replied to: Unknown - 05 Dec, 2009
238: HR is needed in every company, But the interview schedule be like this . First company should take interview to the candidate with related department. If he passed the first interview then it should goes to HR department. Because some candidates are technically brilliant according to their field. If HR takes the first Interview company is losing the good candidates
Posted by:Opininon - 05 Dec, 2009
239:
HR needs persons for their work , here no point of good candidates and bad candidates any person can do any thing
agnilinkyt
sudhir Replied to: Opininon - 05 Dec, 2009
240:
well that can be done and infact most companies follow this procedure today because as you rightly mentioned HR may not be well equipped to test the candidate's technical expertise. However candidates should be made to face interviews with HR manager for obvious reasons
anushree Replied to: Opininon - 05 Dec, 2009
241:
i don't thinks so that HR has no any work and they always do time pass. Firstly you have to understand what exactly HR do. See HR is always having seasonal work. Pay roll, recruitment, joining are not happening on regular basis. Once pyroll is done the person who does this work will get some free time it does not mean he is doing time pass. On the time of payroll we have to sat back late night what about that? and for the answer which u get after your inteview like 'will call u' or 'position on hold' our business head wants to convey this message through us.Without working in hr u can not understand our pain.


Beena
HR
Beena Replied to: anushree - 05 Dec, 2009
242:
What about people other than HR staying back almost every day late night irrespective of seasons.
varun Replied to: Beena - 05 Dec, 2009
243: We will have to keep in mind that they are so called HR professionals,not psyciatrist,so if understanding candidate's mindset is the main objective of so called HR INTERVIEW, then we should appoint psyciatrist instead of them.Like my fellow friends,I have also seen HR people leave at sharp 6 in the evening and through out the day they will chat here and there as if they are in office to make fun only.
Posted by:Sukanta - 05 Dec, 2009
244:
Mr. Sukanta,

Definitely you need to hire a psychiatrist bcoz, your boss may not know when you go out of your senses and start blabbering bullshit
Unknown Replied to: Sukanta - 05 Dec, 2009
245:
well incase you were not aware of this then HR professionals are well equipped to study the mindset of candidates. They would have to be considering the tall stories candidates write in their resumes or CVs or whatever!
anushree Replied to: Sukanta - 05 Dec, 2009
246:
It's the top level HR representatives who frames the policy for the organization. so when the organization have many projects going on for them and they need people the HR simply ignores the tall stories of the candidates but when there is a slump you people make things worse for the same candidate you are just like puppets in the hand of management and it's pretty much clear satyam fiasco, The HR scrutinies the candidates but here the organization was writing the tall stories, do you HR people really bother answering candidate you consider yourself the bigboss before the interview and once the candidate is in you don't have any control
Ipsita Replied to: anushree - 05 Dec, 2009
247:
Hw to come in contact with yr firm, i m interested in it.....
Kindly reply it...
Rawal Shailesh Shivabhai Replied to: anushree - 05 Dec, 2009
248: HR is not useless. They are the ones who are answerable to management if tomorrow you screw things up and why should they put their asses on fire by selecting a candidate with a strong academic background but not an ounce of common sense. The reason candidates are made to go through an interview with the HR Manager is to ensure that a highly qualified idiot with an armload of degrees but not the right kind of attitude is NOT selected because instead of an asset they become a liability to the organisation. Dnt always blame others and think before you open your big mouths coz only immatured and ignorant people rant and rave about some crap or the other. your degrees will help you only to a certain extent but with an attitude like that you wouldnt even get the job of an attendant. No wonder HR rejected you! and next time dnt bother going to your HR manager for your leaves ,benefits, salary hikes or promotions coz quite frankly you deserve NOTHING!
Posted by:Anushree - 05 Dec, 2009
249:
HRs are for conducting interviews and after that they are useless. If you are a HR you are useless too. Coz your each and every word said above shows your bad attitude.
Avani Joshi Replied to: Anushree - 05 Dec, 2009
250:
sorry to disappoint you but nah am not an hr professional so your words of wisdom were totally wasted on me
anushree Replied to: Avani Joshi - 05 Dec, 2009
251:
Ya HR conducts Interviews only, tomorrow you will say

A Civil engineer, mixes cement. An Electrical Engineer repairs your electricity connection. An arts graduate does painting only.

Ignorance shows up.
Jigar Replied to: Avani Joshi - 05 Dec, 2009
252:
Awesome Anushree ... brilliantly said .. Human Resource is a Highly Responsible Department in company.Company can run with limited technical & functional departments or Clubbed togather but without HR u can never think about a company.
Market gets to know about Requirements only through HR department not through Friends, parents, College Principles, Batch Mates Or from CEO/VP.
The only department plans & Gives opportunity for new Resource is so called "Harassing Resource " .
Companies run with set of Protocols, if we get right candidates we offer them , that's how all companies operates. if someone is good in technical bad in communication , with lots of attitude would you hire him guess yes if you own a company .

From now never send or ask your friends to refer your resume to HR department. please CC it to CEO for opportunities.. thanks


Srihari Replied to: Anushree - 05 Dec, 2009
253:
hey srihari.......it seems that u r the number one idiot in the world.....do u have cow dung in ur head
ritz jones Replied to: Srihari - 06 Dec, 2009
254:
its not available in market .. as its with you ( Cow Dung )
srihari Replied to: ritz jones - 08 Dec, 2009
255:
ha ha ha, all the strategies, planning, engineering are done by HR, right Anushree?I know there are lot of idiots in the market with a armful of degrees, do not even know how to talk in public forum.We have got the best example over here itself.By the way,there are many people in the market,any dumb HR like you does not even deserve to stand infront of them, be within your stature and limitation and concentrate on your job. Frnakly speaking , you people are doing the toughest job in the office, Sitting idle from 10-5
in the office
Sukanta Replied to: Anushree - 05 Dec, 2009
256:
That means HRs are always sitting idle without doing any work..Then why is the company(Top Management) paying salaries for HRs? why are the companies hiring HR people without work? you are doing your work with your project requirements, you will do according to client requirements, not your own requirements right? like that we also do according to company requrements
pallavi Replied to: Sukanta - 07 Dec, 2009
257:
an HR department is a parasitic department. They make merry on the blood, sweat and tears of Technical and Engineering staff. These HR ppl harass employees no end and when tough times strike fire the harworking and money making cash cows(tech and engg ppl) and themselves get promoted to plum postings by showing cost reductions. These ppl are not required and could easily be done away with.
sreekumar Replied to: Sukanta - 05 Dec, 2009
258:
By your ignorance and reply, seems you might just be one of those "idiots in the market with an armful of degree, and a mouthful of thanklessness."
Jigar Replied to: Sukanta - 05 Dec, 2009
259:
by the way its beneath my dignity to even reply to your comment but i shall make an exception in your case firstly am not an HR professional and secondly at the end of the day every company requires an HR department and you are the one who does not know how to talk in a public forum Why the hell you getting so personal? chill man
anushree Replied to: Sukanta - 05 Dec, 2009
260:
I go with anushree,you guys(so called technical) are not aware how exactly a HR dept functions.We create a better work culture, which is always get destroyed by technical people,we talk to higher ups when they wanted to remove someone and we ask for proof so that his/her career should not get destroyed and we will be blamed when u dont perform. We talk about sharing profits which u cnt.we build orgn effectiveness,we create oneness (Whcih is hard to find among technical people).Majority of your time will be spent on machines where as HR deal MAN not with machines.Your results are project speicific,HR results are company specific. All policy and process will be formulated and then implemented by HR not by any technical people. When a company starts they recruit HR first so that he recruits and implement the policy, Dont talk like DUMB fellows and dont show up. You are no where close to US.When it comes to curruption technical people are most currupted than anyone else in this world. You recommend a DUMB fellow who is your friend or a relative. SO we are here to give equal opportunity to every one
Chaitanya Deshpande Replied to: anushree - 05 Dec, 2009
261:
I totally disagree on the point of technical peope the most corrupted one. I have seen most of the HRs doing it. Perhaps, I can provide proofs for what I am saying. I underwent a non sense by a HR head and was fired from the job for no reason. There was no reason why they should have done this to me but it came out of some sarchastic mentality of the HR head.
I also agree that everyone is not same but most of them have a tremendos attitude and ego problem. In short, they do everything else than what they are appointed for.
Milind Naphade Replied to: Chaitanya Deshpande - 05 Dec, 2009
262:
Hi, Anushree. Within 2 hours you cannot judge a people, at the time of interview they show they are good. After getting appontment they will show you their real face. Then what is the use of filtering people like this. I am not saying that HR is not essential, they are essential to some extent only not 100%
Opinion Replied to: Anushree - 05 Dec, 2009
263:
That is Why The HR Professional Need To be competent dude.... So That They Can Judge The True Character of The Candidate in a Couple of Questions only....


I wont say HR is absolute... But it as important as any other Department...


Moreover, You Even Have Production Break Down... Does That mean The Production Head is Incompetent?


And What About Results of The Many Marketing Show Downs That Fail.
Abhishek Sharma Replied to: Opinion - 05 Dec, 2009
264:
Dear Anushree it seems to be you are also such vexed HR,even u can not judge someone in 20 yrs,why u HR are bothered of judging right or wrong in a person once u get a contract signed where its clearly mentioned to kick out a person any time for any of his/her fault.so where is the risk?No Organization will run based on personnal judging criteria,u know wat makes u more faulty its when u are not coming after profound knowledg/experience,u r the same part of the herd who does not bother to check talent or attitude of understanding a tough reasoning, u just decide based on what written in his/her resume, which soon will make u blind in judging someone.
sham Replied to: Opinion - 05 Dec, 2009
265:
ya, you are right, I want to add further by saying that it can be needed in big firm like IBM, Infy, Tata, Google etc etc,but if one firm has just been established, then setting a HR department should not be their first priority
Sukanta Replied to: Opinion - 05 Dec, 2009
266:
Bravo Anushree....well said :-)
Pinal Mehta Replied to: Anushree - 05 Dec, 2009
267:
I completely agree with you.
Zinnia Replied to: Anushree - 05 Dec, 2009
268: I gone thru all the comments. and I ashame that most literated people are commenting like illiterate one. There are a lot of HR dept doing their job well. There will be someone misusing the dept. And because of that we cannot blame all the HR Dept which are doing their Job Well. Try to understand the situation. If they want to appoint somebody they want to do it. They cannot avoid the candidates. Ms.Sesha donot underestimate clerks openions too.
Posted by:Nair - 05 Dec, 2009
269: Before complaining its very essential to understand how a HR works. An HR does not decide on his own. HR works in coordination with all the departments.
An HR recruits in cordination with the department heads.
An HR conducts training keeping in par with the department needs.
An HR assesses your performance on your Bosses inputs on your performance.
An HR decides on your salary, ur bonus, ur leaves, ur holidays, ur transfers etc as per the company policy.
The HR are just the executors and conveyors. So if the HR says something that would be in consultation with the relevant authority or department. So if you want to react, react at the entire system.
The jargons like "We'll get back to you" are diplomatic staements means we are looking for a progressive candidate in case we do not get we will take you. Tell me who is not a diplomat in todays world. One is forced to be a diplomat to survive in this competitive world. So why blame the HR's alone or why generalise such statements on a specific group.
Posted by:Zinnia Kalita Das, Consultant, Lea Associates South Asia Pvt Ltd - 05 Dec, 2009
270:
What you said is 'Right'an HR does not decide on its own. It plays important role in any organisation. It functions as a tool to management to recruit or retrench workforce.

In other words, if HR dominates Management, it leads even to closure of Companies by retrenching good workforce, creating greatloss to Company.

I hope HR should have their own power to decide fate of actual performers, rather following the instructions of the departmental heads while deciding about annual performance appraisals. Then people cannot blame HR, if it is judged properly without hurting even a single "good performer".

Now-a-day the HR is acting like a rubber stamps, getting recommendations of the HOD's and processing the same without knowing the reality. There must be VAST change in their approach.

HR remain in many company's as service providers, facilitators rather deciding authority.

Regards
Venkata Subba Rao Nanduri
+919849562900
NV Subba Rao Replied to: Zinnia Kalita Das, Consultant, Lea Associates South Asia Pvt Ltd - 05 Dec, 2009
271: Dear fellow professionals, I was threatened by my HR Head on multiple occasions directly and indirectly that my career would be destroyed if I refused to act on his orders, despite not reporting to him in any way. I was harassed through boycott imposed by the HR Head & denied awards & recognitions. Why? - I had caught him red-handed in various financial and legal violations. He had even gone to the extent of disabling the biometric attendance recording system at one of our offices where he sat in order to remove any evidence of fraud in relation to Employee Headcount & Salary.
Posted by:SPG - 05 Dec, 2009
272:
This was in an MNC
SPG Replied to: SPG - 05 Dec, 2009
273:
So, it means HR heads in all the firms, especially MNCs are crooked vandals who go around harassing employees?

Don't generalize things.
Jigar Replied to: SPG - 05 Dec, 2009
274:
I am simply narrating something actually happened, that too in an MNC. This by no stretch of imagination is a generalization. To my mind this is an extreme situation highlighting to what extent a few HR guys can misuse their authorities.
SPG Replied to: Jigar - 05 Dec, 2009
275: I agree with most of your views. HR also stands for HARDLY REQUIRED, HUMILIATING RRECRUITERS.

What a havoc the so-called some of the HR people play in IT Recruitment. I want to illustrate with personal experience. One of my relatives appeared for a top IT Company off campus recruitment. The candidate has outstanding academic record through out the career. The candidate cleared both written test and technical interview. The person conducting Technical Interview commended the candidate saying you will be an asset to the organization. The candidate was short listed among 100 out of 1200 appeared. Then began the ordeal. The candidate appeared for HR. The HR person was a sadist. He asked such ridiculous questions like why are you so confident, does your Father worked in Army Suppose you were not selected what would be your feelings etc. After half of an hour HR interview the candidate was not selected.

I took up the issue with the MD of the Top Company and challenged him to review the performance and if the performance was really not up to the mark reject it. Alternatively I suggested to him to allow the candidate to appear again (waiving the 6 months ban). The MD was convinced that there was some injustice. The candidate was asked to appear for an Interview at Hyderabad and then in Bangalore. Again the treacherous HR intervened and sent a letter after one month that the candidate did not perform well in HR and was not selected. Such is the power of HR even the MD cannot do any thing. My point is if the candidate has not performrd well in Hyderabad why calling again in Bangalore. Again I wrote a banging letter to the MD about the role of HR in this case. The outcome can be easily guessed. SILENCE IS BLISS. Of course the candidate later got a better job in a reputed IT company. Another drawback in the recruitment system of IT Companies is why so much importance is given to HR. If HR is final why written test and Technical Interview. Even the behavior of some of the HR people visiting Institutions is also questionable.

I only can conclude for HR HEY RAM.

Dr.A.Jagadeesh Nellore AP
Posted by:Dr.A.Jagadeesh - 05 Dec, 2009
276: u r very correct ,this is planned activity.
i think in there professional life they born with this agenda.
Everytime they muckup this statement.
Posted by:Hemant - 05 Dec, 2009
277: Face it people. Does any of those "selected" people go to the HR person and thank him/her. All good things happen to you, the credit always goes to you. All bad things happen to you, its always the fault of others.

Whether you are selected or not had, has and will always depend on your credentials and abilities. Good or bad, remember, for your next job you will have to face a person from the HR department.

Rather then replying to this post, try soul-searching. It would definitely help in getting the frustration of "not getting the job" out of your mind.
Posted by:Jigar - 05 Dec, 2009
278:
I agree, and anyways its always the other side of grass greener, go try n fetch the right resource for your company in right time, right skillset and with the given cost...n thn these techies will understand the wrk HR does..complaining is very easy but being in other's position tells u the truth.. Grow up guys..
Bhumika Replied to: Jigar - 05 Dec, 2009
279:
Am sure you are in HR. You probably haven'thanked anybody in you life. Wherever this happens, HR does not do its job, so accept it that HR doesn't carry out their work effectively in most of the places. Companies like Google, GE, etc... why do hear about them, becoz their HR is excellent.

Is HR performance internally ever evaluated? but promotions / perks are always there mate on a preferential basis...

HR: Stop crying & do your work.
Venky Replied to: Jigar - 05 Dec, 2009
280:
their the people working also great................
Pallab Replied to: Venky - 05 Dec, 2009
281: YES I AGREE WITH ALL THESE POINTS. AND ITS TRUE . AND I BELIEVE THAT ITS "HARRASING RESOURES" RATHER THAN HUMAN RESOURCES. THEY DONT HAVE ANY RESPOSIBILTY. SIMPLY ATTENDING AND FINISHING WORK HOURS. THATS ALL.
Posted by:PREETESH KAKKAD - 05 Dec, 2009
282: Of recent "Due to recession we cannot give you a salary raise".IT HR's should be fitted with a polygraph someone please make this a mandatory rule!
Posted by:DigitalGuy - 05 Dec, 2009
283: no comments...
Posted by:pritam - 05 Dec, 2009
284: It is truth where everyone faces....and it clearly reflects that the decision taken by HR (most of the cases) are not genuine...

People should have guts to tell openly to the candidate...in case of negative....these kind of attitude we can expect a HR Person is genuine in his decision....
Posted by:krishna - 05 Dec, 2009
285:
ohh really is it lyk dat?if d HR cums n tels u on ur face u r not selected.u will still call dem cold.dey dnt know how to convey d news.man.y arnt u ready to accept dat if u r not felt worth u ll not b taken.if u feel u r sumthin prove it no.convince him.dats wat u r dere for.to tell him about u.y put d entire blame of not gettin selctd on HR.btr wud b to find out how u did?d person takin d interview is given d pre defined parameters on which he takes d decision.n dnt forget.evn he came to d organisation by givin an interview.he knows how it is.its jst dat u guys dnt know.coz u ve nevr been on d other side..
anu Replied to: krishna - 05 Dec, 2009
286:
I might not say so... I attended an interview with Microsoft. And believe me, I have seen the best HR in my entire career. Although after some round, I could not be sortlisted.
But the HR person called me in a separate room and explained me, why I am not selected. Even he gave me some guidelines and told if I prepare in this way, I can make it... And also he told that I can reappear the interview after 6 months.

This is called professionalism.

Moreover I won't say all HR people are bad or unprofessional. Because I have seen many HR people that they are like Bhishma in Mahabharat. Even after being an IT professional, I have some sympathy for them.
sanku Replied to: anu - 12 Mar, 2010
287: Wow thats a piece of Truth i say... Nice insight
Posted by:Sam - 05 Dec, 2009
288: Add "Hardly Re-seen" in the list of meaning for HR.
Because they are hardly seen again after you happen to actually join their company.
Posted by:NHS - 05 Dec, 2009
289: It is absolutely right, HR or Harassing Resource, they have no idea about the Human or Human resources, seldom they use there comonsense in selecting personnel, they need wisdom to judge a person, HR can never become an expert in all the field, it is useless deptt.
Posted by:George Kutty - 05 Dec, 2009
290:
so you have a lot of common sense huh? stop complaining and go do your work
anushree Replied to: George Kutty - 05 Dec, 2009
291:
True we are not expert in all fields let me as k you something you have so many kinds of testers right reg testing func testing etc etc do all testers know each and everything Take DBA you have Oracle Mysql and the list goes but competency lies in one

Coming to your point that HR is a USELESS dept

WE decide whether we want to hire you or not
We make sure your paycheck come in time or not imcluding you r bonuses and all
WE decide and make sure your salary come in time
WE make sure your performance is mapped and rewarded
WE make sure your leave is duly credited
and the list goes on
Arvind Replied to: George Kutty - 05 Dec, 2009
292:
Cant this be done by a Clerk as well ?

For hiring HR at most decides that out of 2 technically good guys which guy can be hired for lesser money
anonymous Replied to: Arvind - 05 Dec, 2009
293:
"You" do, but meanwhile "you" don't do thinking that as your job as one more employee of the same company.
rvind Replied to: Arvind - 05 Dec, 2009
294:
mr. kutty you are correct. i heard from a friend of mine in reliance that they are very heavily reducing the staff to make more profit? is this inhuman or not?
i.chandrasekharan Replied to: George Kutty - 05 Dec, 2009
295:
It all depends on business ethics. The CEO of a company along with the board of members decides the company policies. HR department is just a messenger.

TATA group is quite known for their business ethics and the HR policies of L&T are quite favored. So are many other companies. Try to search for the work culture of Google. These are benchmarks that companies are setting for others. Isn't this the other side of the coin?

You can't take just one example and label everyone else to be the same.

One more thing, since when did cutting staff lead to profits? Does this mean that a company having no staff reaps the highest benefits? Cutting staff (and that too redundant staff) is one of cutting costs. Even a common man knows that you have to cut out the luxuries when there is a financial crunch!
Jigar Replied to: i.chandrasekharan - 05 Dec, 2009
296:
HR has always got certain responsibilities -Do anyone of you think that the most successful companies like Google, infosys, TCS hiring tons of candidates are doing everything without the help of HR.
I understood from the responses that you people are not qualified enough to get through the interview or didnot have the enough so called resources to venture into any organization...i heard from a friend reliance is bad...i heard from papa and mamma that they are not good people...shows ones maturity towards this discussion.

Please if you cant make out the truth please back off buddies..dont even chant the word HR..u dont deserve it...
Gopi Replied to: i.chandrasekharan - 05 Dec, 2009
297:
I CAN SEE A DIFFERENT KIND OF FEEDBACK FROM THE HR'S IN THIS DISCUSSION. HR'S --U REALLY MAKE ME LAUGH-- TRUST ME WE DONT NEED HR'S, HARDLY REQUIRED(HR). I AM INTO SALES AND MARKETING- I ALWAYS HAVE A FIGHT WITH HR.
I WILL TLL YOU ONE INCIDENT- I CLEARED ALL THE ROUNDS AND THEN I GOT SELECTED IN A REPUTED COMPANY. THE DAY WHEN I JOINED, I CAME TO KNOW THAT THE PROFILE WHAT I WILL BE HANDLING AND THE PROFILE WHAT I WAS OFFERED IS NOT SAME-THERE WAS HELL DIFFERENCE. T.HEY PUT ME IN A DIFFERENT PROFILE WITHOUT MY KNOWLEDGE. GREAT JOB HR-3 CHEERS FOR U
AKSHAY Replied to: Gopi - 05 Dec, 2009
298:
HR seldom respond to any queries. If doing routine clerical work is HR's function then the Dept's name should be changed. There is no professionalism among the HR staff which may be due to the curriculam they have in their studies. So Mr.Gopi dont reply with a clerks background.
sesha Replied to: Gopi - 05 Dec, 2009
299:
Here comes the people who can decide on curriculam,gosh..really funny to be in this discussion..see i have been working for TATA's, i know what professionalism is, especially the framers of the welfare laws in the country by the top HR guys in the TATA clan ..would like to know on what basis u framed such a mind set....that HR cant be professionals ..or your weird guess of me answering with clerks background
Gopi Replied to: sesha - 05 Dec, 2009
300: this is absolute and the better way to call them all is "BARBARIANs of MODERN ERA". they r piece of shit in corporate world i think the world would be better in their absence. the hackneyed people r the harass resource.......
Posted by:krish - 05 Dec, 2009
301: Dear friends,

HR - 'Human Resource' or 'Harassing Resource'?
By siliconindia news bureau

With reference to above heading, my suggestion is to have more Self-confidence in applying your strategic thoughts in your organisation.

My way of doing things till now, never waited for any action by myself to recoin the word HR as"Human Relationships" and found to be working in a more positive way.Here I applied my self and scored with my positive skills.

Keep in touch

Regards
SWOT Shriram Shenbagaraman
lmgi007@gmail.com
Posted by:SWOT Shriram Shenbagaraman - 05 Dec, 2009
302: All said and done, it still remains a thankless job.

No one murmurs when good things come their way(through those very HR people), but hell breaks loose when the rejections come in.
Let us give due to where deserved.
Posted by:Latika Das - 05 Dec, 2009
303: HR Limitation are always confidential in terms of policy and Employee Regulation, HR Team can perform if they work into line Management environment. It if Often i have noticed HR is bounded with KInd of Matrix Managment where approval for any regulation become difficult for them.

So As Off now my personal experience with HR team is not good as other team, But I feel pity about same.
Posted by:AVishek - 05 Dec, 2009
304: HR is required for other process, but I m agree on the given points. "I'll get back to you", "waiting for the Top Management's decision", etc,etc.....if they don't want to recruit then they should ask an applicant to look forward an other opportunity by lingering the matter HR professionals are wasting their time and applicant's time too.They should follow the policy of a Computer 1 (selected) and 0 (rejected) n that's all, the matter ends their...Even if anybody have marked or not I don't know, but each-n-every time they use to ask a TYPICAL question to an applicant "TELL ME SOMETHING ABOUT YOURSELF", if an applicant is gonna brief all things then why the HELL he/she is carrying their Resumes, person should be asked questions in his/her ability, technical question, current profile, profile offered and many more.

HR professionals are giving training, but I think they even need the same.
Posted by:Priyanka Vinda - 04 Dec, 2009
305:
Hi Priyanka,
When a job seeker doesn't stop exploring opportunities even after getting an offer in hand, do you really think he/she will keep on waiting for the HR comments. Seems you are just new entrant to professional world . You wont agree but the fact is 50% of info given in the CV is either incorrect or irrelevant . TELL ME SOMETHING ABOUT YOURSELF is just like how is day today , nothing more than that. This is just make you guys conformable before actually putting in tough Q/A session.
Ganesh Singh Replied to: Priyanka Vinda - 07 Dec, 2009
306:
Humans are not computers. In real life there are many things that can't be judged from the context of 0 and 1. One bad experience and it seems all the world is bad, is it? Grow up. Try to come out of your dreams, and face reality.

And if you think that you are better, START PROVING and you won't be facing any difficulties in life.
Jigar Replied to: Priyanka Vinda - 05 Dec, 2009
307:
I think you didn't get the point, by saying computer my point was either 0-Rejected or 1-Selected but by lingering the matter nothing gonna happen.

I am already grown as after growing and experiencing such experience I came to this conclusion, and in the matter of proving myself I am already proving by not following all such mentioned things, if I wanna recruit any good profiled candidate I directly ask him to appear for the second round and finally recruit him/her. I don't believe in giving unnecessary Statements like we are planing to recruit or I need to discuss and bla bla bla............IF I AM CLEAR TO CONCEPT I DON'T THINK I CAN FACE ANY DIFFICULTY.

THANK YOU !!!
Priyanka Vinda Replied to: Jigar - 05 Dec, 2009
308:
Hi Priyanka,
when an HR says tell me about yourself we want to compare your saying with what you have put in your resume as typically a lot of candidate put Bullshit and also stretch the truth to a breaking point . Another reason we ask this question is to make you comfortable so that you can give your best shot for the interview . And sometimes . An Hr mains job is to make sure the candidate would be a culture fit or communication and also background verification . the technical rounds are then taken by the techies. We also fix salaries in a competitive way so as to retain people like you .. So before you even think of commenting on this .. take a re look ... Am presuming your a techie and people like you switch company ASAP and we have to look out and find a right person to replace you .
Arvind Replied to: Priyanka Vinda - 05 Dec, 2009
309:
Hi Arvind,
By asking this TYPICAL question HR professionals have to search something new as how I am asking to my applicants. I have never asked them "TELL ME SOMETHING ABOUT YOURSELF". You can start by knowing their Educational Background, Ask them to brief their current Job Profile, Discuss candidate's experience, etc,etc......the matter of Switching Company OFF I don't think my kinda people being a reason behind that, is of YOUR kinda employees who are responsible for it.

I would like to + one more thing that CHANGE is must in LIFE if you are following typical strategies and ethics to recruit anybody I don't think any1 can take interest into your activity as applicants are also looking to have Different interview experience......At this stage my Company is not planing to replace ME, but whenever to are in need of a JOB, you are always WELCOME... :D
Priyanka Vinda Replied to: Arvind - 05 Dec, 2009
310: Harassing is more suitable for HR nowadays. HR harass candidate in the meanest way but sweetly.
Posted by:Piyush - 04 Dec, 2009
311:
Kindy ellaborate on this ... I believe your talking through your hat here
Arvind Replied to: Piyush - 05 Dec, 2009
312:
Kudos to those who started this chain and the article...well i guess they have joined their respective organizations without the so called harassing resources...or they should be entrepreneurs of their own. ..beleive me all these guys who are pointing to those HR doesnt even know what the value of the term is..it is accepted that all the organizations may not maintain same kind of professionalism in HR departments...it doesnot mean that HR itself is an useless department without which the organizations suffocate to death within no time.
Gopi singh Replied to: Arvind - 05 Dec, 2009
313:
Hello all,
All the comments are fine but why dont you people think about what HRs are going through in thier organization. When they are telling you all these they mean it. What ever the technical panel says the same will be ciommunicated to the candidates,there is nothing that HRs will ake on their own....For all your kind information if these many Software professionals are working now do you think any of the HR will not involve in this whole process.... And at the end of the day as they will not come under the client's billing they will be main victims at the time of recession... Please hold your words when you are speaking about somebody.
SHUS Replied to: Piyush - 05 Dec, 2009
314:
The useless job is HR,useless person is one working as HR,it is impossible to read a person, hope SHUS has to get more matured in this regarding...
Nityams Replied to: SHUS - 05 Dec, 2009
315:
Hello Nityams,

You are the biggest idiot on this forum... First think how much useful you are when you are calling somebody useless, you might be earning lakhs together but you dont even have a rupees value...
SHUS Replied to: Nityams - 05 Dec, 2009
316:
hey people SHUS got anger, plz stop harassing HR here, because they lose control when u reveal real facts about HR.
yes i accept myself as an idiot only if i depend on HR.
ok SHUS carry on we can not stop you. by the way if u can understand "if u stand in front of mirror u can only watch ur face & so not ur backwards only others can see".
unknown Replied to: SHUS - 06 Dec, 2009
317:
Hello Nityams and all others who blame HR,

I think you have to learn a lot.If HR is useless dept, whyon the earth do u run to them for your leave, salary, benefits related issues?they are useless... don go to them, sort it out by yourself if you are capable enough.. I bet you are not. And I definitely do not think if a person is very efficient in whichever area he is working in, will have to face the kind of problems and answers from HR wt u guys facing.HR ppl know very well to keep you guys at your place and your level. So think before you blabber things out.
Unknown Replied to: Nityams - 05 Dec, 2009
318:
Nityam, Can u justify you job?
1. You recruit in all departments without having any knowledge of the department - This can be best done by department head ( YES/NO)
2. you compile resumes (i dont think roket science is involved in it)In govn. offices done by cleark.
3. You keep up the work place - That a housekeeping supervisor can do well, why a tie chad fool is needed.
4. You give good work envioronment - thats a mith u do all non sence and then clean the mess and look for reward.
5. You cut cost by removing coffee machine, xerox machine, toilet papers and loquid shop - all these will not add up to your salary also , why dont u quit in bulk...company will have good cost cutting.
6. You hold long meetings, with all dicisions left to upper management, than why the fcuk are u here.
7. U recruit all tom, dick and harry.. later cry crocodile tears saying people are not performing, more man power etc. etc.
8. Save face to management by sacking all those people whom u have not recruited....who have actually survived the company over the years.
9.
10.
11..lots of thing are there to share ,catch u all later.
Sai Replied to: Unknown - 19 Dec, 2009
319:
We run to them because Company has decided that they are the points of contact...
anonymous Replied to: Unknown - 05 Dec, 2009
320:
its their job and its to be done by them as they are paid for it .... what we are talkin here is whythe Hr are skipped pf from while takin interviews and harassinfg an individual.... there is one of my friend who gone for interview and the guy was fast asllep in workin hrs its not that he was workin or thimkin or testin it was that when my friend asked him a simple question he asked that its u who r here for an interview not for an interviewing the interviewer ........ thats the unspecufic answer heard till date from an SELF HARASING INDIVIDUAL
STUD Replied to: Unknown - 05 Dec, 2009
321:
So HR's function is purely clerical Mr.Unknown. You better work in Government organisation then in a private one.
Known Replied to: Unknown - 05 Dec, 2009
322:
Hi All

Good going so far, all morons like many of you would not have been working in an organisation if not for the effort to recruit you by the Highly Responsible department in an organisation, not to mention the HR.
Though all humans have the right and feeling of not to be rejected,HR is the only entity in an organisation which understands the feeling, as the saying goes, "Saying NO might be an art. But saying YES and meaning NO is a greater art", not to mean the YES man in al the entity of an organisation.
Rajesh Thomas Replied to: Known - 06 Dec, 2009
323:
They are not only mentioned above all, they "HIGHLY RISKY' also....
Ajay Replied to: Known - 05 Dec, 2009
324:
Guys better stop blaberring and go back to you work - Dont waste your valuable time. Nothing is going to change.

Hope sensible guys will go with me.
King Replied to: Ajay - 05 Dec, 2009
325:
HR is the real ass hole in an organization. They do nothing and get paid off. F... you Indian HR.
Draupadi Replied to: King - 05 Dec, 2009
326:
Hi,

The person who had started thi post must have had a bad experince with HR depart. and HR professionals.

I personally feel all those people who r negative about the HR's should given a chance to work as HR and then only they will be asked about the comments on the same.

As such HR dept is presumed to be the dept who take all decisions, but we, HR professionals know how true it is. We say “we’ll get back to you” it shows we may. It is not always that the person is rejected after we say this, but it shows the person has some chance and at-times we call the person again and hire him/her.

Then the most important task we do is “to handle people like you all”. Did any of you ever thought why u go and search for help when u r in some kind of trouble of problem with your colleague or your senior, you don’t right, this is because you know HR people will help you coming out of the problem, that is what the importance of HR.

So, a suggestion to people who thinks HRs are “Harrasing or Hardly required”, go and put yourself at their places.
A proud HR processionals. Replied to: Ajay - 05 Dec, 2009
327:
totaly agree with Rajiv
LokRaje Replied to: A proud HR processionals. - 08 Dec, 2009
328:
Hi All,
I thought HR people give those comments because they dont want to directly hurt the confidence of the person being interviewed...(its my personal view)
Buts its better to convey the truth in a polite manner rather than making people wait and increase their level of expectation cum frustrations...
Note for HRs..
Only thing HRs need to note from all the above discussions is that ... pls try to inform results directly and in a polite manner (its always not possible to satisfy everyone ).. Being polite, humble and straight forward are great human qualities.. It reflects on our personal character rather than roles we play HR or Management or Any one...
Tech guys who are affected ... i have no comments ..but can clearly understand the amount of frustrations on not being properly responded or treated.....

Hope all the comments are people's perspective & are for GOoD, its better to pick the right things alone and try to implement them...

There are HR who are very good as well...
The Techies are the back Bones of anyCompany for they run the companies projects..

All are important ...All are reposible for what they do...
Ashwins comments were gentle.... Thanks for your views Ashwin ...

Those who do their jobs properly, these comments wont hurt. Others need to be positive in picking up the right things from these discussions and try to improve upon...

Thanks a lot my dear brothers and sisters for all your comments ...
BILLA Replied to: A proud HR processionals. - 07 Dec, 2009
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I feel there is flaw in our edcuation system. Not every engineer turn out to be good technical person. Same way not every Qualified HR guys turn out be a good Human resource professional. Every body thinks that they can get into HR if they don't get any other better course (inspite of not having any humane quality / consideration). I know there are lots of technical guys who are good at HR likewise lots of good HR professionals also there. Management plays a key role in recruiting right hr people with right attitude who are genuinely interested in people issues. Management should recruit HR guys who are high on EQ ( emotinal Quotient ) rather than IQ. I can undestand the feeling of people who undegone bad experiences. Lets not generalise every body like same kettle of fish.
Prabu kk Replied to: A proud HR processionals. - 07 Dec, 2009
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when u turn every difficulty in to your capability.. then it would test others capacity to create complexity ..
Shwetha Replied to: A proud HR processionals. - 06 Dec, 2009
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hahahaha A proud HR processionals.... you feel proud when you do bad things to people ?

Shame on proud HR processionals.......
joe Replied to: A proud HR processionals. - 05 Dec, 2009
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HR JOB is not a worthy profession...it seems to me as a worthless job hunting people that too at times not fit..They simply consume the valuable resources of the orgenisation and donot add any value as such.Neither a vig meetle is required to become a HR..I have my own company and have never faced any HR related issue till date....Now its a different story that people might say a lot of things to defend their position but still the reallity remains the same...
B&B securities limited Replied to: A proud HR processionals. - 05 Dec, 2009
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HR is the real ass hole in an organization. They do nothing and get paid off. F... you Indian HR.
pal Replied to: A proud HR processionals. - 05 Dec, 2009
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i ve to say that the topic caught my attention however after reading most of the posts.i would like to say that i can also begin writing an article on how engineers giving technical support are clueless sometims to help customers, a sales person is clueless however agressive to dump a product on you, how a finance department is hopless in clearing out vendors payments and so on. HR is providing the support services to the other departments and i agree jsut like the other professinals mentioned above there are lapses. however if people are making the mistake it would not right to infer that the funtion or need of the department is useless.being a corporate consultant there are several companies ive seen how HR works round the clock to meet top managmetn and employee expectation.so we need to straighten the people and processes and not the question the existence hastily.cheers
MDR Replied to: A proud HR processionals. - 05 Dec, 2009
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Wow I loved your comments, really this is one department [HR] which puts it all on the line for the support ag the other organizational members even in these turbulent times. LONG LIVE HR
Vivek Ganeriwala Replied to: A proud HR processionals. - 05 Dec, 2009
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To all the members of this forum : I think the people involved in this forum are free and they don't have work to do. They are just passing their office timings to post their comments in this forum.

Let HR do their job and do concentrate on your job to prosper the country and yourself too...
Rajiv Replied to: A proud HR processionals. - 05 Dec, 2009
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@above HRs: two doubts:
1. To u, never getting bk after "i'll get bk2u" mite b result (or consequence, nt sure) of complicated corporate procedures etc ... bt its a damn lie all the same.
2. Can't u try clean logic n simple language fr 1ce, evn whn u r trying to convince us n defend urselves? Luk at ur posts ... most of thm a bundle of meaningless jargons. old habits die hard i suppose!
Some1 definitely nt HR Replied to: Champ - 02 Feb, 2010
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Who d fuk r u man? Everywhere same response.
Champ Replied to: Possibilityobjective - 10 Dec, 2009
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