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Firms sell 'readymade projects' to engg students
Bangalore: Engineering students who need to do projects as part of their course, can now buy readymade projects that small sized software firms are selling in 'project shops', reports Shariq Iqbal of Bangalore Mirror.
Last year, Suresh Kumar (name changed), an eighth semester engineering student then, developed a software that could compress large files and store them in your computer. Impressed with his innovation, the varsity evaluators rewarded him with an A+ grade.
However according to Bangalore Mirror, three months before he submitted his project, Suresh was on the streets of Jayanagar and Kengeri searching for a ready-made project from the 'project shops' that have sprung up in these areas.
In fact, a student, on condition of anonymity said, "We resort to buying readymade projects as they are done by seasoned coders and developers. They save us the headache and constant concern of ruining our project; besides, they are more professional."
A walk down the streets of Jayanagar and Kengeri will take you through shady little rooms inviting students for readymade projects created by small-sized software companies who bank on this 'seasonal business.'
An innovative geek told Bangalore Mirror, "Buying a project might be a trend, but I think the evaluators do understand and recognize an original work. For those genuinely interested in developing something on their own, I do not think there is any dearth of recognition and appreciation."
The shopkeepers are ready to give the entire readymade project in a pendrive, as well as teach all the basics involved in the development of the particular project, and also an FAQ bank with answers. Also offered is a list of more than 80-odd projects thare available. "Choose the one you find interesting, collect all the intellectual material, check everything and pay
8,000. The price is negotiable," said a shopkeeper.
According to the Visvesvaraya Technological University (VTU) Registrar K V A Balaji who Bangalore Mirror spoke to, such incidents are happening. "It has come to our notice that some students go out and get their projects done. We have also noticed that there are professional agencies which are selling projects. As it is outside our purview, we cannot take action against such companies. Hence, we have issued a circular to all colleges that students have to do projects only in colleges and not go to industries outside."
Last year, Suresh Kumar (name changed), an eighth semester engineering student then, developed a software that could compress large files and store them in your computer. Impressed with his innovation, the varsity evaluators rewarded him with an A+ grade.
However according to Bangalore Mirror, three months before he submitted his project, Suresh was on the streets of Jayanagar and Kengeri searching for a ready-made project from the 'project shops' that have sprung up in these areas.
In fact, a student, on condition of anonymity said, "We resort to buying readymade projects as they are done by seasoned coders and developers. They save us the headache and constant concern of ruining our project; besides, they are more professional."
A walk down the streets of Jayanagar and Kengeri will take you through shady little rooms inviting students for readymade projects created by small-sized software companies who bank on this 'seasonal business.'
An innovative geek told Bangalore Mirror, "Buying a project might be a trend, but I think the evaluators do understand and recognize an original work. For those genuinely interested in developing something on their own, I do not think there is any dearth of recognition and appreciation."
The shopkeepers are ready to give the entire readymade project in a pendrive, as well as teach all the basics involved in the development of the particular project, and also an FAQ bank with answers. Also offered is a list of more than 80-odd projects thare available. "Choose the one you find interesting, collect all the intellectual material, check everything and pay
8,000. The price is negotiable," said a shopkeeper.According to the Visvesvaraya Technological University (VTU) Registrar K V A Balaji who Bangalore Mirror spoke to, such incidents are happening. "It has come to our notice that some students go out and get their projects done. We have also noticed that there are professional agencies which are selling projects. As it is outside our purview, we cannot take action against such companies. Hence, we have issued a circular to all colleges that students have to do projects only in colleges and not go to industries outside."
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Reader's comments (110)
1: Studs of fianl year hav cm across
exams,campus interviews,soon.most importantly
see education system.it must changed.syallbus
of VTU won change periodically,if does so it
can b old theory subjets.
first v studs want some industrail knowledge n wat they expect frm us.introduce some more new tech labs reduce theory subjects.give 1 yr for projects.so they get time to do som new stuffs.
first v studs want some industrail knowledge n wat they expect frm us.introduce some more new tech labs reduce theory subjects.give 1 yr for projects.so they get time to do som new stuffs.
Posted by: Rohith - 02 Apr, 2010
2: I think a full fledged final year project is
too much to expect from VTU students, a large
percentage of whom struggle even to clear
their papers within 4 years. It is
unrealistic to expect a group of 4 who barely
know to write a "Hello World" program to
develop a large application. Want to blame
some one?
Blame the education system, blame the curriculum and blame the admission process and criteria, but not the students. If they were capable, they wouldn't have gone to buy projects in the first place. It is one thing for the Vice-chancellor to lament about the condition sitting in his cozy chair, and quite another thing to see how hard students find it to do projects on their own.
Blame the education system, blame the curriculum and blame the admission process and criteria, but not the students. If they were capable, they wouldn't have gone to buy projects in the first place. It is one thing for the Vice-chancellor to lament about the condition sitting in his cozy chair, and quite another thing to see how hard students find it to do projects on their own.
Posted by: piesauce - 16 Mar, 2010
3:All 7 semesters of engineering , students
try to pass there papers , and you expect
them to make a embedded /software project
in final semester , why don't give them any
knowledge of practical electronics from
beginning , look at the level of expertise
we have in Engineering Practical Labs of
our college , lecturer just makes a copy of
text book on black board , when they
themselves don't know how to apply knowledge
to practice (and most of the time their
theory is also not clear ) , don't blame
students .
Amit replied to: piesauce
post - 19 Mar, 2010
post - 19 Mar, 2010
4: Take it easy yaar. We are Indians think like
Indians not like foreigners. Ye India hi
idhar subkuch chaltha hi.
ok leave it. If the student had done the project on JAVA and he get the job on testing in corporate company. the project will never useful in his life.so why should waste his time for project. Especially in software field no one can individually delop the projects with full of futures with in 6 months. in that 6 months also he have to be write the exams. With in 6 months any project will completes? that is not possible for software projects. I think dont put the projects in engg coll
ok leave it. If the student had done the project on JAVA and he get the job on testing in corporate company. the project will never useful in his life.so why should waste his time for project. Especially in software field no one can individually delop the projects with full of futures with in 6 months. in that 6 months also he have to be write the exams. With in 6 months any project will completes? that is not possible for software projects. I think dont put the projects in engg coll
Posted by: tinku - 11 Mar, 2010
5:Dear Tinku,
Please consider that the Project work is there to enhance our Practical knowledge, which can be achieved by DOING the project on our own. That knowledge cannot be transmitted via books, and any other media. Purchasing the Project from market will actually make you lazy and unaware of the joy which we get after its completion. So my friend if you wanna do stick to your job in IT, DO your project..You will not get any READY-MADE projects in your professional life..!
Please consider that the Project work is there to enhance our Practical knowledge, which can be achieved by DOING the project on our own. That knowledge cannot be transmitted via books, and any other media. Purchasing the Project from market will actually make you lazy and unaware of the joy which we get after its completion. So my friend if you wanna do stick to your job in IT, DO your project..You will not get any READY-MADE projects in your professional life..!
Urvee replied to: tinku
post - 14 Mar, 2010
post - 14 Mar, 2010
6: you write this blog that's gud .....
but my friend first find out who is the responsible for this
our teachers or ous.
if we do not have the right knowledge then how can we represent our selves .
but my friend first find out who is the responsible for this
our teachers or ous.
if we do not have the right knowledge then how can we represent our selves .
Posted by: girijesh - 11 Mar, 2010
7:Girijesh U're in college dude! Not in school.
If u expect your "TEACHERS" to teach you,
u'll never learn anything in ur coll.
life.
Generally I just wonder, which dept. teacher teaches to do all other activities, such as mentioned above ah..
Generally I just wonder, which dept. teacher teaches to do all other activities, such as mentioned above ah..
Ashwanth Kumar replied to: girijesh
post - 12 Mar, 2010
post - 12 Mar, 2010
8: Friend please stop blaming the students. The
main reason why students go for ready made
projects because teachers of VTU have no
practical knowledge. They are just concerned
about the course that`s it. No creativity is
appreciated. If you are creative then also
they have no brains to understand that.
And not only B.E, M.Tech students are also getting the ready made projects which are developed by B.E graduates.
Please ask these teachers to get some practical knowledge and watch 3 idiots this will help.
And not only B.E, M.Tech students are also getting the ready made projects which are developed by B.E graduates.
Please ask these teachers to get some practical knowledge and watch 3 idiots this will help.
Posted by: Mahesh - 10 Mar, 2010
9:dear frnd 3 idiots is a nice movie but that
is just a movie we shud nt get attached to it
..
the things happening over there r never commited in our real lives
the things happening over there r never commited in our real lives
praveen kumar replied to: Mahesh
post - 11 Mar, 2010
post - 11 Mar, 2010
10: what mahesh says is exactly right. the
teacher should get some practical
knowledge.its not a matter whether they
understand this by seeing a 3idiots movie.
karthikeyan replied to: praveen kumar
post - 12 Mar, 2010
post - 12 Mar, 2010
11: I've had friends buying project from outside,
and I don't mind it, I did my project from
scratch, search for "crane ogre" in youtube
and click on the first video, this project
became so popular in youtube and yet my
evaluators were skeptical whether I did it
and if it was so, whether it had any
particular practical purpose, forget about
the well done remarks, they din't even wanna
see the entire project? So why bother to
build something from scratch which is not
even seen for a while?
I just had motivation to do something on my own and I kept going, only I know the pain I went through and I received no motivation from outside, at least this was the area I liked.
Whats sad is evaluators expect projects which are "hot and burning" if it is innovation that we bring they look outside if to find if its the cutting edge?
I don't see anything wrong in students in buying software from outside as long as Lecturers have "Whats the big deal?" attitude.
I just had motivation to do something on my own and I kept going, only I know the pain I went through and I received no motivation from outside, at least this was the area I liked.
Whats sad is evaluators expect projects which are "hot and burning" if it is innovation that we bring they look outside if to find if its the cutting edge?
I don't see anything wrong in students in buying software from outside as long as Lecturers have "Whats the big deal?" attitude.
Posted by: Sameer - 09 Mar, 2010
12: I think some people go outside n buy projects
b'coz they r not confident enuf that they can
develop a project on their own..... also on
top of it... theres a poor suuport and
motivation by the profs... Seriously if a
student has a good, supportive and above all
knowledgable prof.... i dont think there is
any problem for students doing project
alone... Wat really suxs is that prof is not
able to help in anything n he keeps on
pressing to do more... be more innovative...
do something new.... n wen the project
guide's duty jumps in they back offf... come
tmrw... i m busy now... we will discuss it
later.... wat is more shameful that wen the
project in case gets completed.... they ask
us to present paper with their names in the
paper... wtf... no help n just ur name!
Posted by: Ashutosh Mukherjee - 08 Mar, 2010
13:man..i agree with you fully...thats exactly
what happened with my team..i did my prj 4m d
scratch..unable to complete it on time..and
hardly any help..4m d guides..but yeah..im
satisfied..um a 3rd yr engg stud 1 more year
to go..but im pretty confi..the next prj i
do..vl be a success..so guys..plss..be try to
be a genuine engg studnt..though v say india
produces more engg grads than china..its imp
4 us to keep in mind..that we can beat them
only if v put in sum real effort..so
guys..try being of some help to your country.
nikitha replied to: Ashutosh Mukherjee
post - 12 Mar, 2010
post - 12 Mar, 2010
14: Shame on the people that provided comments to
the above article. Do these people know the
English language? Have they seen or used a
dictionary? How many of you were admitted to
the Engineering College by the quota system?
By writing such rubbish you are showing your ignorance. Save time, study, do your project(don't buy it) and be of some value to India.
By writing such rubbish you are showing your ignorance. Save time, study, do your project(don't buy it) and be of some value to India.
Posted by: Raj Acharya - 08 Mar, 2010
15:excuse me are you professor in one of the
engineering colleges, pardon me but the way
you wrote it seems so.
peculiar replied to: Raj Acharya
post - 09 Mar, 2010
post - 09 Mar, 2010
16: obviously, colleges need to come up with
newer ways of having students do projects --
ways that are more in sync with changed
times.
why blame students for picking up on an easier way.
why blame students for picking up on an easier way.
Posted by: ANR - 08 Mar, 2010
17: It should not happened for the sake of
students only.
Posted by: New Techies - 07 Mar, 2010
18: every body is doing lotsof wrong things
if govt is making so much difference between students themselves. so what if those students can bought out a project.
aur waise bhi bhi yeh sab to common hai.
bihar mein jab log exams hi nahi dete aur btech ki degree plus reservation le kar govt sectors mein job kar sakte hein toh atleast students buying projects are at least true students and not the fake ones
if govt is making so much difference between students themselves. so what if those students can bought out a project.
aur waise bhi bhi yeh sab to common hai.
bihar mein jab log exams hi nahi dete aur btech ki degree plus reservation le kar govt sectors mein job kar sakte hein toh atleast students buying projects are at least true students and not the fake ones
Posted by: Dinesh Kukreti - 07 Mar, 2010
19: Now days the pressure built up on the
students for performance made them to indulge
in such kind of activities. But still if
students are moving to such kind of behavior
it is not good from students point of view as
well as Institutions. If students make a
habit of this kind thing it is not good for
them also in future. At the same time
Institutes also should take care about while
framing there Insti program it should bring
the innovations & skills of the students.
Posted by: New Techies - 07 Mar, 2010
20: With Respect to Prof in college should
appriciate litle thing done by Students..
Students are ready to do projects by there
own.. but they dont want to take risks in
terms of marks(score) in case of failer. So
my oppinion is if student fails to do the
project completly the part of work done by
him must me appriciated by Professors..
Posted by: Veersh Gutti - 07 Mar, 2010
21:I totally agree with you.its all because of
some stupid professors.
syed replied to: Veersh Gutti
post - 08 Mar, 2010
post - 08 Mar, 2010
22:Good point
Kaushik replied to: Veersh Gutti
post - 08 Mar, 2010
post - 08 Mar, 2010
23: Yes it's right article because most of the
student don't have deep knowledge about the
languages on which they develope their
project also the project guide doesn't have
any practicle knowledge.Therefore in present
situation most of last year student has to
face these problems.
Can anyone have solution on this problem?
Can anyone have solution on this problem?
Posted by: vikas - 07 Mar, 2010
24: This is wrong ........
Students , pls don buy projects. Evaluators will be able to differentiate between the projects bought and those done by students. If in case he finds out that the project has been bought, he can give you a BIG 0.
Also it'll spoil your creativity and coding skills. This will affect you a lot when you join a job later.
Students , pls don buy projects. Evaluators will be able to differentiate between the projects bought and those done by students. If in case he finds out that the project has been bought, he can give you a BIG 0.
Also it'll spoil your creativity and coding skills. This will affect you a lot when you join a job later.
Posted by: Anoop - 07 Mar, 2010
25:There is nothing wrong. During accedemics a
student is expected to do dummy jobs. When
80% students resort to redymades the original
project fetches lower ranks. If it is made
legal, we can judge them in viva and student
will not carry burden on his soul.
Dev Kiran replied to: Anoop
post - 07 Mar, 2010
post - 07 Mar, 2010
26: what is the point in judging a person for a
project when he has not done it on his own ..
Anoop replied to: Dev Kiran
post - 11 Mar, 2010
post - 11 Mar, 2010
27: Its mistake in our system ,where proffesors
and lectures will give good marks to the
students who get out put and not considering
the innovative idea or idea of approch,in
most of the colleges lecturers/project guides
are not in a position to help students to
resilve some of technical issue they fac
during execution of the project, students are
worried abut markes and goes out to buy
project... here entire eductaion system has
to be blammed for such projects and its
reduce Quality of edication.
Posted by: premj - 07 Mar, 2010
28: IT'S NOT STUDENT MISTAKE. TEACHER COMPELL
THEM TO BUY THE PROJECT FROM OUTSIDE BECAUSE
AT THE END OF THE ENGINEERING & STUDENT
REALIZE THAT HE DOESN'T HAS ANY WHICH WILL
HELP HIM TO DO PROJECT WITH ITS OWN. BECAUSE
TEACHER DON'T HAVE KNOWLEDGE AT THAT LEVEL
WHICH IS REQUIRED & SOME WHO HAVE THEY
ARE UNABLE TO EXPRESS IT PROPERLY........
ON ALL THE EIGHT DIRECTION THERE IS ONLY ONE PERSONE WHO IS IN LOSS..... STUDENT
ON ALL THE EIGHT DIRECTION THERE IS ONLY ONE PERSONE WHO IS IN LOSS..... STUDENT
Posted by: MOHSIN AKHTAR - 07 Mar, 2010
29:I tend to agree with you.
My college mentor had no idea what she should ask us to do - she told us to think of something on our own.
NO, WE DID NOT BUY ANYTHING.
Thankfully, my project partner had some contacts in a govt org and someone there suggested what problems they are having and how we can solve them. So, essentially, that real-life work became our project. But I just think we were lucky.
Out of 5 lakh engineers in India every year, even 1000 cannot get real projects. The problems are many:
1. Colleges force students to work on projects they may not have interest in. So, even if they may find a nice project for themselves, the college may force them not to work on it.
2. "Professors" are often lacking in knowledge and ideas and cannot suggest anything to work on, like it was in our case.
3. Most of the students might not have grasped many subjects during their studies, so they cannot be innovative enough in the last semester. This is because most people get into engg because of the lure of "good jobs", whatever that means. Most of them don't even know what the word "engineering" means.
My college mentor had no idea what she should ask us to do - she told us to think of something on our own.
NO, WE DID NOT BUY ANYTHING.
Thankfully, my project partner had some contacts in a govt org and someone there suggested what problems they are having and how we can solve them. So, essentially, that real-life work became our project. But I just think we were lucky.
Out of 5 lakh engineers in India every year, even 1000 cannot get real projects. The problems are many:
1. Colleges force students to work on projects they may not have interest in. So, even if they may find a nice project for themselves, the college may force them not to work on it.
2. "Professors" are often lacking in knowledge and ideas and cannot suggest anything to work on, like it was in our case.
3. Most of the students might not have grasped many subjects during their studies, so they cannot be innovative enough in the last semester. This is because most people get into engg because of the lure of "good jobs", whatever that means. Most of them don't even know what the word "engineering" means.
Kaushik replied to: MOHSIN AKHTAR
post - 08 Mar, 2010
post - 08 Mar, 2010
30: I agree with you
In my case our Dept HOD is our project guide.
I & my partners never had intrest in DSP.
But He was pursuing Phd. in that subject.
So he rejected all our ideas calling them DUMB.
Finally wen all others were doing their projects we didnt even had the theme of our project
After completion of 1 sem he dumped a DSP based project on us & we had no option coz we hav already wasted a lot of time due to rejection of almost 9 to 10 project ideas from our guide.
So now we do neither have the knowledge nor intrest in that area but are compelled to do the same..
WHAT SHALL WE DO...
If we buy the proj that is immoral.
If we dont we wont Graduate in 2010..
In my case our Dept HOD is our project guide.
I & my partners never had intrest in DSP.
But He was pursuing Phd. in that subject.
So he rejected all our ideas calling them DUMB.
Finally wen all others were doing their projects we didnt even had the theme of our project
After completion of 1 sem he dumped a DSP based project on us & we had no option coz we hav already wasted a lot of time due to rejection of almost 9 to 10 project ideas from our guide.
So now we do neither have the knowledge nor intrest in that area but are compelled to do the same..
WHAT SHALL WE DO...
If we buy the proj that is immoral.
If we dont we wont Graduate in 2010..
Ajinkya replied to: Kaushik
post - 09 Mar, 2010
post - 09 Mar, 2010
31:Students only join colleges for campus life.
Otherwise why they are not busy on all their
subjects from day one ?
Most of them are then punished severly by ground realities when fun days are over and they are facing the world.
Most of them are then punished severly by ground realities when fun days are over and they are facing the world.
nisha replied to: MOHSIN AKHTAR
post - 07 Mar, 2010
post - 07 Mar, 2010
32: Run! if you can't then walk, if you can't
then crawl but never stop, at least you'll
reach somewhere.
Hope this gives you the answer. Teachers are to guide not to prepare projects for students. With all the resources available on internet and other resources available in the college why not these so called 'students at loss' explore these resources.
Hope this gives you the answer. Teachers are to guide not to prepare projects for students. With all the resources available on internet and other resources available in the college why not these so called 'students at loss' explore these resources.
Abul Aula Jasser replied to: nisha
post - 07 Mar, 2010
post - 07 Mar, 2010
33: This is very much illegal activity only.
Somebody says students are lazy now a days
and teachers are don't have knowledge, But
many people should accept that many
intelligent peoples are there in
industries(including peoples who are selling
project to students) why they cant guide the
student with free of cost. Already all the
employees are earning good amount but still
they want money. Please stop that nonsense
earning and try to guide at least one student
per year increase one by one for next coming
years. Finally you can feel that goodness.
This is the most very big activity than money
and food donate.
I am already doing this one.....
I am already doing this one.....
Posted by: Sathasivam - 07 Mar, 2010
34:I AGREE WITH YOU. THOSE WHO HAVE KNOWLEDGE
MUST SHARE WITH OTHERS. AT LEAST ONE MUST
TEACH AT LEAST ONE PERSON. I ALSO GIVI MY
SPARE TIME TO THE STUDENTS WHO WANTS TO JOIN
BANKING INDUSTRY. MORE THAN 30 STUDENTS
JOINED VARIOUS BANK. I HAVE INSPIRED THEM TO
LEARN. SUCH TYPE OF ' KARMA YAGNA' IS HELPFUL
FOR THE SOCIETY. MANY A STUDENTS AND THEIR
FAMILIES ARE VERY HAPPPY TODAY. THIS 'YAGNA'
I STARTED ON 1ST JANUARY 2008 AND TILL THE
DATE IT IS CONTINUE WITH SEVERAL STUDENTS.
ONE OF THE BEST COLLEGES 'MP SHAH COMMERCE
COLLEGE AT JAMNAGAR' IS GIVING ME SUPPORT FOR
THIS ACTIVITY. WE ARE GIVING GUIDANCE FOR THE
CAREER WITHOUT ANY CHARGE.
KIREET POMAL replied to: Sathasivam
post - 08 Mar, 2010
post - 08 Mar, 2010
35: The student is only as good as the
teacher.....I am a Chemical Engineer who has
passed out from the M.S.Ramaiah Institute of
Technology 7 yrs back......this practice was
quite prevalent during those times as well.
What do you expect the students to do when
the lecturers themselves have minimal
knowledge regarding the subjects? The
students resort to such activities because
they can get away with it.
Posted by: Manash - 07 Mar, 2010
36:Absolutely right.Espesially this happens in
new colleges where there will be no
infrastructure,teaching,guidance and skilled
lecturers....
praveen replied to: Manash
post - 07 Mar, 2010
post - 07 Mar, 2010
37: Dear Sir,
Can I get a project that belongs to s/w testing i.e manual testing.
Can I get a project that belongs to s/w testing i.e manual testing.
Posted by: Sushant - 07 Mar, 2010
38:Excellent..........
lijoalex replied to: Sushant
post - 07 Mar, 2010
post - 07 Mar, 2010
39: Project making and selling is a very big
business.Projects for class ix,X,Xi and XII
are easily available.This purchasing of
project is because there is no teaching
about making these projects in class. If
making project in class is made mandatory
with evaluation in between the session this
problem can be solved.Teaching should be
converted from part time profession to full
time profession
Posted by: vinod arora - 06 Mar, 2010
40: What a shame ..these would be the students
who would buy anything tommorrow..from jobs
to people to any opportunity and any
materialistic gains they want. Sincere
students would suffer due to the immoral
behaviour of these students as GPA is
affected when an average but hardworking
student has to compete against these nuts.
One who calls such an act of progress as
smartwork is a fool as nothing stands on the
foundation of falsity. Someday or the other
the would come to face with their real
competence.
Posted by: Harshala - 06 Mar, 2010
41:Yes. Your last sentence was very important.
One day, that day will come......for sure...
A Chakraborty replied to: Harshala
post - 06 Mar, 2010
post - 06 Mar, 2010
43:Sir, projects are mandatory for ALL streams.
Kaushik replied to: Jeeva
post - 08 Mar, 2010
post - 08 Mar, 2010
44: Yes I too Agree all of these issues and
suggestions.
Anybody whats any guidence in java project development or
How to get the jobs while studying itslef(must be tanlented enough)if not i will guide you guys to get the jobs in IT field.naseerssn@gmail.com
Anybody whats any guidence in java project development or
How to get the jobs while studying itslef(must be tanlented enough)if not i will guide you guys to get the jobs in IT field.naseerssn@gmail.com
Posted by: Naseer - 06 Mar, 2010
45: What will you do/expect, if your own
lecturers' belonged to the project shopper
category, during his/her education time ?!
Posted by: Sharma Anil - 06 Mar, 2010
46: You know it now!We knew it 10 years back.
Posted by: abhra - 06 Mar, 2010
47: welcome to the reality guys
it took ages for the ppl to realize this fact
this is not a new thing in engg streams there are well established project markets in cities, u just have to name the domain/technology u want the project on then u'll have a long list to chose from.
u can't only blame the students for this even the lecturers and colleges are also responsible for this menace.
if the lecturers apart from giving only lectures in the class try to become practical mentors for the students and put their efforts seriously in helping students become engineers true in sense then there should be no issues.
it took ages for the ppl to realize this fact
this is not a new thing in engg streams there are well established project markets in cities, u just have to name the domain/technology u want the project on then u'll have a long list to chose from.
u can't only blame the students for this even the lecturers and colleges are also responsible for this menace.
if the lecturers apart from giving only lectures in the class try to become practical mentors for the students and put their efforts seriously in helping students become engineers true in sense then there should be no issues.
Posted by: wajahat - 06 Mar, 2010
48: This buying project is not very new concept.
Now there is serious involvement of college
lecturers and staff in this buisness. It is a
good season for lecturers / small fake
companies who are just up to spoil the coming
generation of engineers. Where the hell our
country is heading ? i think this illegal
project business should be stopped instantly.
Posted by: Nabhi - 06 Mar, 2010
49: hi
Visvesvaraya Technological University should be ashamed for not noticing the student basement of knowledge...
If readymade projects r sold for 5000, in future it will be sell for 200 to 500......then the students will look for readymade projects only.......they will not get much knowledge.
Visvesvaraya Technological University should be ashamed for not noticing the student basement of knowledge...
If readymade projects r sold for 5000, in future it will be sell for 200 to 500......then the students will look for readymade projects only.......they will not get much knowledge.
Posted by: Gopi - 06 Mar, 2010
50: hi
Most of them say that, how can I do project in 2 or 3 months......
I am say that past 3 years u had learnt basic from your teacher, you have to learn and you have to implement , for that only you have learnt for 3 years........
student life is to enjoy, but at same time that is the time to learn and improve your knowledge...........
Most of them say that, how can I do project in 2 or 3 months......
I am say that past 3 years u had learnt basic from your teacher, you have to learn and you have to implement , for that only you have learnt for 3 years........
student life is to enjoy, but at same time that is the time to learn and improve your knowledge...........
Posted by: Gopalakrishnan - 06 Mar, 2010
51: hi
this is first for bangalore know.....
but in chennai last ten years this the job for many people....
but one thing, buying ready made projects the knowledge of the future students can be reduced........
project is the basement of IT field to a student......
I request to students that do your own project without any help, not only IEEE is projects there r more application projects to do it..........
this is first for bangalore know.....
but in chennai last ten years this the job for many people....
but one thing, buying ready made projects the knowledge of the future students can be reduced........
project is the basement of IT field to a student......
I request to students that do your own project without any help, not only IEEE is projects there r more application projects to do it..........
Posted by: Gopalakrishnan - 06 Mar, 2010
53: If any students are looking for a project on
.net/java+ms sql, then you can work on real
time project.. Required one realtime Project
lead with 3+ years of exp. on .net and ms sql
in system applications is preferable..
Freshers or Five Software engineer trainees
are required for getshightech and project
duration will be for min. 6 to 12 months
project based on enterprise applications.
Email:gets.hightech@gmail.com
Posted by: sheikh.mohammed arbaz - 06 Mar, 2010
54:hi ,
i m student of mca final semester,
i have to do live project . please guide me to do live project in any reputed fim on free entership.sugest some comapanies in delhi .
i m student of mca final semester,
i have to do live project . please guide me to do live project in any reputed fim on free entership.sugest some comapanies in delhi .
rishikesh ranjan replied to: sheikh.mohammed arbaz
post - 06 Mar, 2010
post - 06 Mar, 2010
55: It reminds me of those days back in 2004
where we used finish our classes by afternoon
then working on our project till night. We
have started bit earlier as we know that
doing own projects takes time. But the
learning and experience from doing own
projects is tremondous. We do had fun also
while doing projects.
Posted by: Ravikumar - 06 Mar, 2010
56: This is shocking! There several reasons why
students should dirty their hands doing
coding:
1. The student project is just about the *only* time the students can learn the reality of software development and get to learn a language (and other programming constructs).
2. By doing the project hands-on, the student can discover how the IT industry works
3. My firm's interview process always starts off with the student project (and not just for freshers). People who buy their projects are out in 2 minutes
4. I've seen purchased project which is riddled with errors. There is virtually no quality control in these places, and a student is opening himself for being caught out at any point in her career.
1. The student project is just about the *only* time the students can learn the reality of software development and get to learn a language (and other programming constructs).
2. By doing the project hands-on, the student can discover how the IT industry works
3. My firm's interview process always starts off with the student project (and not just for freshers). People who buy their projects are out in 2 minutes
4. I've seen purchased project which is riddled with errors. There is virtually no quality control in these places, and a student is opening himself for being caught out at any point in her career.
Posted by: Sierra Bravo - 06 Mar, 2010
57: "3 Idiots" - "3 Idiots" - "3 Idiots" - "3
Idiots"
No Practicals in 1 st Sem
No Practicals in 2 nd Sem
No Practicals in 3 rd Sem
No Practicals in 4 th Sem
No Practicals in 5 th Sem
No Practicals in 6 th Sem
No Practicals in 7 th Sem
How can a Student LEARN and DO project in 2 months?
Just Think...!
Is dotNET, JAVA etc So simple to learn in 2 months....!
Ha ha ha , Its a joke.
And Every one Knows it tooo (Professors, Lecturers, Parents students)
How can a student do hardwork, when his friend is Njoying(by getting it readymade. Hassle free)
--------------------------------------------- ----------
Solution
--------------------------------------------- ----------
1) Students should get more of Practical training than of KILO'S of Theory from the First Sem.
2)Colleges should Encourage students who are doing projects by their own.
3)Media should showcase Researches and make Researchers popular ,along side Cricketers,Film Stars.
INDIA can be developed only with INNOVATION
An Innovation can change Entire World.
Examples are "WHEEL" , FIRE , SATILLITE, ELECTRICITY, TELEPHONE ,INTERNET" and more.........
No Practicals in 1 st Sem
No Practicals in 2 nd Sem
No Practicals in 3 rd Sem
No Practicals in 4 th Sem
No Practicals in 5 th Sem
No Practicals in 6 th Sem
No Practicals in 7 th Sem
How can a Student LEARN and DO project in 2 months?
Just Think...!
Is dotNET, JAVA etc So simple to learn in 2 months....!
Ha ha ha , Its a joke.
And Every one Knows it tooo (Professors, Lecturers, Parents students)
How can a student do hardwork, when his friend is Njoying(by getting it readymade. Hassle free)
--------------------------------------------- ----------
Solution
--------------------------------------------- ----------
1) Students should get more of Practical training than of KILO'S of Theory from the First Sem.
2)Colleges should Encourage students who are doing projects by their own.
3)Media should showcase Researches and make Researchers popular ,along side Cricketers,Film Stars.
INDIA can be developed only with INNOVATION
An Innovation can change Entire World.
Examples are "WHEEL" , FIRE , SATILLITE, ELECTRICITY, TELEPHONE ,INTERNET" and more.........
Posted by: Surya - 06 Mar, 2010
58:I totally Agree with u surya
These Lecturers teach how to cool plain rice and expect us to make pulav,biriyani , batani rice..and stuff like that,
They are not interested in even helping the project because even they are not sure of what is the project is about.. (Its coz..lack of practical knowledge )
These Lecturers teach how to cool plain rice and expect us to make pulav,biriyani , batani rice..and stuff like that,
They are not interested in even helping the project because even they are not sure of what is the project is about.. (Its coz..lack of practical knowledge )
karthik replied to: Surya
post - 06 Mar, 2010
post - 06 Mar, 2010
59:Well your solution is really practical.
I can't say about other places, but during my engg.(not software) I did my final project with 4 of my friends and we succeed.
We got appreciation in form of attention & grade.
It is not the system that needs a change rather it is the mindset.
Let me tell you the truth; initially in our group we were 7, but two of them did not have confidence on my concept and method of doing by ourselves and left.
So you should be confident and technically sound enough to do all these...
I can't say about other places, but during my engg.(not software) I did my final project with 4 of my friends and we succeed.
We got appreciation in form of attention & grade.
It is not the system that needs a change rather it is the mindset.
Let me tell you the truth; initially in our group we were 7, but two of them did not have confidence on my concept and method of doing by ourselves and left.
So you should be confident and technically sound enough to do all these...
Kulamani Samal replied to: Surya
post - 06 Mar, 2010
post - 06 Mar, 2010
60: itz really a issue to think over..! the
universities are generating lakhs of
engineers every year,itz sad that they land
up being inefficient on working on real time
projects.
Universitites have tight their norms in such case to retain standard ..!
regards,
anirudh
Universitites have tight their norms in such case to retain standard ..!
regards,
anirudh
Posted by: anirudh - 06 Mar, 2010
61: KNOWLEDGE is itself a REWARD. So it is
immaterial whether we get a reward in the
form of marks or money for a project that we
do. It is an individuals decision to buy a
project or do a project. Liberalization on
the evaluation of VTU projects based on the
output can initiate students to DO a project.
Most of the students buy the project fearing
the output. If the evaluation is based on the
procedure taken up I feel this trend of
BUYING projects would come down. Hope this
conversation enlightens our juniors to DO A
PROJECT which is a qualification for an
ENGINEER.
Student under VTU doing a project in IISc
Student under VTU doing a project in IISc
Posted by: Vijitha - 06 Mar, 2010
62: I finished my engi through VTU itself....
what i saw in project evaluation is like
those who bought the project from some
agencies GOT VERY GOOD MARKS THAN OUR
PROJECT...
what i want to tell VTU is issuing circular restricting such projects won't work at all. students will not listen to such circulars... INSTEAD VTU should train its LECTURERS capable of distinguishing between real and the proj which has bought from agencies.... VTU first should take a common assessment test to LECTURERS to check their standard, then only our education system may develop......
what i want to tell VTU is issuing circular restricting such projects won't work at all. students will not listen to such circulars... INSTEAD VTU should train its LECTURERS capable of distinguishing between real and the proj which has bought from agencies.... VTU first should take a common assessment test to LECTURERS to check their standard, then only our education system may develop......
Posted by: Jayalaxmi - 06 Mar, 2010
63: This is very common for BE/B.Tech,MBA,MCA
graduates !
The facaulty and head of the deptt,,has to look into
The facaulty and head of the deptt,,has to look into
Posted by: Doisch Technologies - 06 Mar, 2010
64: i am an engg student of 8th semester and know
its kind of hectic handling a project, goin
thru all the work in 2-3 months...but i feel
we must enjoy every bit of the pressure
because its a sign of a good software
programmer..even if its hectic...after you do
all the hard work it really pays off and the
amount of satisfaction u get is way above....
Posted by: bimba - 06 Mar, 2010
65: Project is meant to enhance knowledge of the
students. In bangalore most of the students
are purchasing projects. I have evaluated lot
of thesis and found that students do not even
try to clear their fundamentals. Let student
submit a small project but it should have
creativity and concepts of engineering.
VTU should set up the correct procedure for the evaluation of thesis
VTU should set up the correct procedure for the evaluation of thesis
Posted by: Rajeev Jain - 06 Mar, 2010
66: First time I would like to praise
SiliconIndia, for removing the pall off the
denigrating ploy employed by ghetto
Engineering Students. People often tend to
hide these fact. One won't be surprised to
acknowledge teachers who are unaware of such
wrongdoings.
Posted by: Saurav Kumar - 06 Mar, 2010
67: WHy ? I ask WHY does Silicon India have to
publish such trash articles and that too so
often . The articles are not even worthy of
being in a college gossip mag. Why Did I
subscribe it! I don't know about the students
who purchased those projects but they cant be
any worse then the people who write such
articles. Selling crass to public. I mean I
ask all readers one simple question. When was
the last you read about some latest tech
here. Say have u read an article on iPhone
social apps ohh y go dat far.. has even
somebdy read a review on Nexus One (google
android based phone) or perhaps google wave.
I am i reading here . Crap. Un-subscribing.
Posted by: anguished reader - 06 Mar, 2010
68:i think boss u going to be wrong because it
is matter in which we have to think seriously
and we have required to some motivation to
this type of activities and i think u going
to be selfish from u r side and i u feel
irritating u r self so u blame it to site.
whether u can get the update form other side
than why u should worry for this if it is a
waste for u.
kirti1714 replied to: anguished reader
post - 06 Mar, 2010
post - 06 Mar, 2010
69:hmmm...nice comment...
but why u r saying like this.?you can also post some new tech. stuff why u r blaming to others..
but why u r saying like this.?you can also post some new tech. stuff why u r blaming to others..
nkr replied to: anguished reader
post - 06 Mar, 2010
post - 06 Mar, 2010
70:Truth Hurts Buddy
John Pinto replied to: anguished reader
post - 06 Mar, 2010
post - 06 Mar, 2010
71: my dear friends in hyderabad many institutes
do this type of things from years.
nad some more institutes fraud the students that it is company not a institute
nad some more institutes fraud the students that it is company not a institute
Posted by: rajiv - 06 Mar, 2010
72: I developed my own algorithms for labs &
in exams evaluator refused to accept my
program because it did not match the standard
programs remembered & executed by
students. The experience was same with the
project as well, Any ways hard work always
pays marks have not stopped me from being a
good engineer I think it applies for others
as well
Posted by: rajath - 06 Mar, 2010
73:absolutely true rajath....
this is true for all colleges in chennai
this is true for all colleges in chennai
vishesh replied to: rajath
post - 06 Mar, 2010
post - 06 Mar, 2010
74: This is usual phenomenon in education and
existing since last decade. This is happening
because of FAR-SIGHTEDNESS of policy makers.
With agenda that no one should fail in first
and second year evaluation process is
compromised and all non-eligible are
promoted. This stuff when in FINAL year I my
opinion cannot produce anything original,
complition of project is mandatory thus these
students are left with the option of buying
the project either from seniors or from
market.
Things like this cannot be stopped unless we have some integrated mechanism which at some stage refrains non-eligible students to proceed further or they should improve themselves.
TODAYS MAIN PROBLEM OF THE EDUCATION IS COMPLUSION TO HAVE HIGHER PASSING PERCENTAGE RATHER THAN ELIGIBLE AND INTELLIGENT PRODUCT THAT CAN BE CONSUMED BY THE INDUSTRY EASILY.
Things like this cannot be stopped unless we have some integrated mechanism which at some stage refrains non-eligible students to proceed further or they should improve themselves.
TODAYS MAIN PROBLEM OF THE EDUCATION IS COMPLUSION TO HAVE HIGHER PASSING PERCENTAGE RATHER THAN ELIGIBLE AND INTELLIGENT PRODUCT THAT CAN BE CONSUMED BY THE INDUSTRY EASILY.
Posted by: RAKESH MISHRAS - 06 Mar, 2010
75: You know most of you who have spoken here
haven't thought a few practical things
through about what students go through....
I too started off doing my project in a DRDO and know many other friends of mine who are doing it in actual IT companies...
But in college we have to cope through 4 difficult and new subjects and the teachers are not really that informative about them however they might appear to be well informed.... (do we blame the curriculum for this?)
Next, we have stuff like seminars where we are forced to go to college for 3 whole weeks and not even allowed to miss them in lieu to do our project, by threatening us that our marks will be affected....
Next our internal guides are not of any help they are so disinterested as to even take the time to listen to the student's progress in the project....
Last but not the least... I suppose all of us have gone through teacher's favoritism we have to cope through...
Now i ask is it any wonder that a student takes a readymade project that he/she is sure of getting marks or do a new project with absolutely no help and then he/she gets screwed on some mere tecnicality (like what are those colors used,related and next say in the type of project you choose just because the teacher has no idea what you have done does not mean what you have is wrong)and try to cut marks...
Hence i would like to say there is always another side for the same story don't judge students just because they bought a project sometimes its out of necessity also...
I too started off doing my project in a DRDO and know many other friends of mine who are doing it in actual IT companies...
But in college we have to cope through 4 difficult and new subjects and the teachers are not really that informative about them however they might appear to be well informed.... (do we blame the curriculum for this?)
Next, we have stuff like seminars where we are forced to go to college for 3 whole weeks and not even allowed to miss them in lieu to do our project, by threatening us that our marks will be affected....
Next our internal guides are not of any help they are so disinterested as to even take the time to listen to the student's progress in the project....
Last but not the least... I suppose all of us have gone through teacher's favoritism we have to cope through...
Now i ask is it any wonder that a student takes a readymade project that he/she is sure of getting marks or do a new project with absolutely no help and then he/she gets screwed on some mere tecnicality (like what are those colors used,related and next say in the type of project you choose just because the teacher has no idea what you have done does not mean what you have is wrong)and try to cut marks...
Hence i would like to say there is always another side for the same story don't judge students just because they bought a project sometimes its out of necessity also...
Posted by: antagonized student - 06 Mar, 2010
76:Absolute truth. Now just see I am in 3rd year
and this sem is not even of 3 months. For
past one month I have been planning on my own
project and now suddenly faculties have
assigned specific projects. And moreover the
list includes projects such as Speech
Recognition System ...Not Voice,Knowledge
Based Expert System, Face Recogniton(not
identification), Touch Screens, Visrtual
Network Implementation....
And all these are for Mini-Projects Not Final Year Projects. I do not think faculties have any idea how sophisticated these systems are but have been assigned without even looking at there feasibility and requirements. When asked for some help the answer come...Why don't you search the internet,I don't have time, I do not much about this....BUT we need to show the project. Can somebody imagine someone implementing these in 2 months...what will the student do...just go to the market and buy it. I agree that students should be told to do which may be small but must have genuine effort and may be sometimes given the freedom to build what is already there but in their own way.
And all these are for Mini-Projects Not Final Year Projects. I do not think faculties have any idea how sophisticated these systems are but have been assigned without even looking at there feasibility and requirements. When asked for some help the answer come...Why don't you search the internet,I don't have time, I do not much about this....BUT we need to show the project. Can somebody imagine someone implementing these in 2 months...what will the student do...just go to the market and buy it. I agree that students should be told to do which may be small but must have genuine effort and may be sometimes given the freedom to build what is already there but in their own way.
Yki replied to: antagonized student
post - 06 Mar, 2010
post - 06 Mar, 2010
77: This is not at all true.. they dont sell it.
they actually make u code it from start to
beginning with ur own design and ur own code.
I was a student and had to do the same and i
went to a place where they sold the projects
but they dint hand me over the entire project
but they helped me and it took 4 to 5 months
to complete. It may happen tht some ppl do
this kind of selling of projects but not
everyone.. and besides they also give u a
certificate that "so n so student has
succesfully completed the project in this
time duration etc etc.." This article is not
entirely true..
Posted by: narci - 06 Mar, 2010
78: We should identify those people's who are
doing this smart work ie making projects for
money. No doubts they are talented and doing
it only for money.I think HRD ministry should
harness their real talent in some
constructive way. Better we involve these
minds in bigger task and pay them handsome
amount so that they dont have to sell their
talent merely for few thousand ,and for those
who are buying ready made stuff should be
encouraged to do task on their own.
Posted by: Eng.Vidyut - 06 Mar, 2010
79: Knowing this i am really a blessed person
that i never went to college & wasted my
father's hard earned money & my precious
time...Why as an individual we take what
anyone else gives us...While using a
mobile,drving a car,while dressing up we need
all of them to be the latest & different
from others..as well as it should be the
best...
So when it comes to projects why "DUPLICATE"...
"WHY NOT" something "YOU" made it by urself which is "UNIQUE"...
ALL THE BEST GUYS/GALS LOOKING FORWARD FOR THE BEST OF INDIANS IN "2010"...ON TOP ALLOVER...
JAI HO...
So when it comes to projects why "DUPLICATE"...
"WHY NOT" something "YOU" made it by urself which is "UNIQUE"...
ALL THE BEST GUYS/GALS LOOKING FORWARD FOR THE BEST OF INDIANS IN "2010"...ON TOP ALLOVER...
JAI HO...
Posted by: Amar Raval - 06 Mar, 2010
80: I recently participated in a project
competition held in nasik and won 2nd prize
because the winner of the first prize had got
its project done from outside and had paid 8k
per member to get that project ..... and than
i queried my self if i would have payed those
amount than the first prize would have been
mine
Posted by: Hitesh Kapoor - 06 Mar, 2010
81:hey kapoor don't be upset yar.our system is
like that only.there is no value for hard
work.see one on one u only know the value of
hard work.good luck
chinmayi replied to: Hitesh Kapoor
post - 06 Mar, 2010
post - 06 Mar, 2010
82:hi kapoor, ur getting more knowldge than the
people ...
venkat replied to: Hitesh Kapoor
post - 06 Mar, 2010
post - 06 Mar, 2010
83: This is a trend I fought against during my
days at post grad, urging fellow batch mates
not to resort to this as this would become an
evil in the long run.If we truly try to
understand the cause, its merely the kids who
do engineering for the heck of it and neither
have the talent nor the interest to bend
their backs to "qualify" for their
engineering degree who resort to this. Why do
we go to the extent of buying software, the
more easy way they resort to is downloading
from the internet. Please do away with quotas
in education, give opportunities to the
really deserving, create infrastructure for
innovation and finally please find faculties
who have experience in the real world not who
merely rote the book.
Posted by: Girish Chander - 06 Mar, 2010
84: Nothing new. This is also not confined to
Bangalore. it is rampant in other cities as
well. With the proliferation of engineering
colleges, lack of good teachers and dilution
of standadrds, this is bound to happen.
Experienced faculty members also know that
this is happening. This is also the reason
why most engineering graduates are
unemployable. Recruiters should carefully
screen candidates to select really qualified
people.
Posted by: VRS - 06 Mar, 2010
85:ya i agree with u
jinu replied to: VRS
post - 06 Mar, 2010
post - 06 Mar, 2010
86: I think 3 IDIOTS are earning! and thank God
they must be Indians. What's wrong if they
are in Jayanagar and Kengari.
We must honour the real talent.
But most of the comments are worth to be read and understood by Education Akas, including bloody politicians.
ALL MUST BE SHOWN 3 IDIOTS.
Best regards,
Best regards,
We must honour the real talent.
But most of the comments are worth to be read and understood by Education Akas, including bloody politicians.
ALL MUST BE SHOWN 3 IDIOTS.
Best regards,
Best regards,
Posted by: Arun Pratap Singh - 06 Mar, 2010
87:What? What's so great in 3 idiots? He stole
exam paper as well. And, we, the engineers
are just doing the basics of buying ready
made projects. However, I don't promote such
ideas, but the unorganized system of
education is the reason to blame for!
If everyone studies like Aamir Khan then what about our future.. lol.
Students know how sick the education system is, the formal dress codes, the bans and unprofessional lectures are an added bonus for taking this into an worse level of education possible (exception). I, alone, cannot change this system and I don't think it's going to change anytime soon.
I am in my 2nd year of engg. education. I've transferred college and now studying in an much better environment, the point is we need to have better engg. colleges (as I've been in one of the not-so-best college) with educated lecturers and more focus on practicals and not on theories. Why do we even study 1st year of engg while we decide to take up our respective courses initially? WE are wasting the first year by studying everything, GOD DAMN Stick with the courses and not all the stuffs. Indeed, KNOWLEDGE is USEFUL but a human brain cannot digest everything!
I know my cribbing would not be seen in any of the history books, maybe, someone will read on here and get an over view that students aren't the one who are to blame. It's how this works.. if the whole system had an better environment then buying ready made projects would be out of context.
Peace and cheers! :)
If everyone studies like Aamir Khan then what about our future.. lol.
Students know how sick the education system is, the formal dress codes, the bans and unprofessional lectures are an added bonus for taking this into an worse level of education possible (exception). I, alone, cannot change this system and I don't think it's going to change anytime soon.
I am in my 2nd year of engg. education. I've transferred college and now studying in an much better environment, the point is we need to have better engg. colleges (as I've been in one of the not-so-best college) with educated lecturers and more focus on practicals and not on theories. Why do we even study 1st year of engg while we decide to take up our respective courses initially? WE are wasting the first year by studying everything, GOD DAMN Stick with the courses and not all the stuffs. Indeed, KNOWLEDGE is USEFUL but a human brain cannot digest everything!
I know my cribbing would not be seen in any of the history books, maybe, someone will read on here and get an over view that students aren't the one who are to blame. It's how this works.. if the whole system had an better environment then buying ready made projects would be out of context.
Peace and cheers! :)
Sidharth replied to: Arun Pratap Singh
post - 09 Mar, 2010
post - 09 Mar, 2010
88:u r rite dear
chinmayi replied to: Arun Pratap Singh
post - 06 Mar, 2010
post - 06 Mar, 2010
89: Don't take serously, Basically all things
depend on the student judgment on this issue.
Which way they would like to go that is main
obsession.
Posted by: Prof. Verma - 06 Mar, 2010
90: Every one want money. This kind of situation
will bring down Indian Brain to zero level.
We Indian are known for brain we have. So
guys either do not do engineering or do it
your self. You got the seat to engineering
college, its a your luck, think of those who
did not got it and want do some thing in
life. Pay for learning but do not pay for
ready-made solutions.
Posted by: Arun J - 06 Mar, 2010
91:wow realy ur rite
chinmayi replied to: Arun J
post - 06 Mar, 2010
post - 06 Mar, 2010
92: This is stale news. Sorry for putting it so
plainly. But the truth is, the student alone
is not to blame. Lack of good lecturers who
do not encourage their students but are
always ready to condemn them is the main
reason. Take the Practicals, for instance.
The lecturers want the task to be done within
the 3 hours of lab timings. If such
enforcements exist, naturally students also
find easy means to finish their task purely
for the marks.
Posted by: sandhya - 06 Mar, 2010
93: i am not sure how good an idea it is for
students to do projects only in college!
Getting in an industry gives good exposure
and understanding on the topic. If osmeone
genuinly does work it doesn't matter where he
does it - and if someone doesn't - then again
this rule will be bypassed.
Posted by: Aditya - 06 Mar, 2010
94: The author is presenting like finding water
in mars or something. This process has been
in existence since the beginning of computer
courses, like another commenter said. but not
only for engineering courses. u can buy
electronics projects, mechanics projects and
project in any stream. And it is not only
engineering students, degree and diploma
students also do it. buying ready-made
projects is the de-facto part of curriculum
now.
Posted by: Saurabh - 06 Mar, 2010
95:True,I agree what Saurabh has mentioned, the
article is being presented as if its
something being discovered now!
Well,the rot has seeped into those doing Ph.d too, long back.One of my friend(who has doctorate in engineering) who before retiring from premier R& D organization joined a top ten Engineering college in Bangalore for teaching purpose.He once mentioned, after having seen how the lecturers in college obtain Doctorate, he felt ashamed to be called a fellow doctorate.The rot started from University or do we say the day politician/business man started owning up colleges and also university!
Colleges became business center (to mint money) and since(20 years back same story) long has ceased to be knowledge center.
Anyhow who takes up teaching job? Have we heard of any personality from Industry speaking of teaching students if not for entire time at least an hour in a day (of course once the retire from active position in a company) to share the knowledge that he/she gained through the success in his/her career…don't we know its those who for some reason were unlucky to get into industry.Some may say left over (though I have my reservation on such opinions as if industry has best of breed only!)Naturally most of them are there due to compulsion and not because they like it.so how does one expect best from them?
do we know of any training being imparted to those who need to teach.infact in West its norm that certain subjects, for example, management cannot be taught by person unless he/she has worked sufficiently long in industry in that position to teach it to others! And for that its not degree that matters but experience which is true fact.
Well, we know today in India MBA schools has mushroomed so much that you see every other person doing MBA…
Market is driven by demand verses supply. However,most of the time its other way round in India, the supply is always 10 times the demand be it anything. vegetable like tomato(we heard farmers throwing tomatoes on roads since the prices has fallen to level that gives no returns for their expenditure incurred) to Ph we are always over stalked
Well,the rot has seeped into those doing Ph.d too, long back.One of my friend(who has doctorate in engineering) who before retiring from premier R& D organization joined a top ten Engineering college in Bangalore for teaching purpose.He once mentioned, after having seen how the lecturers in college obtain Doctorate, he felt ashamed to be called a fellow doctorate.The rot started from University or do we say the day politician/business man started owning up colleges and also university!
Colleges became business center (to mint money) and since(20 years back same story) long has ceased to be knowledge center.
Anyhow who takes up teaching job? Have we heard of any personality from Industry speaking of teaching students if not for entire time at least an hour in a day (of course once the retire from active position in a company) to share the knowledge that he/she gained through the success in his/her career…don't we know its those who for some reason were unlucky to get into industry.Some may say left over (though I have my reservation on such opinions as if industry has best of breed only!)Naturally most of them are there due to compulsion and not because they like it.so how does one expect best from them?
do we know of any training being imparted to those who need to teach.infact in West its norm that certain subjects, for example, management cannot be taught by person unless he/she has worked sufficiently long in industry in that position to teach it to others! And for that its not degree that matters but experience which is true fact.
Well, we know today in India MBA schools has mushroomed so much that you see every other person doing MBA…
Market is driven by demand verses supply. However,most of the time its other way round in India, the supply is always 10 times the demand be it anything. vegetable like tomato(we heard farmers throwing tomatoes on roads since the prices has fallen to level that gives no returns for their expenditure incurred) to Ph we are always over stalked
shrinath replied to: Saurabh
post - 06 Mar, 2010
post - 06 Mar, 2010
96: Ready-made project was not begun today or
yesterday. It has been selling from beginning
of the stage since computer course started in
college. students make dim their skills
& opportunity themselves.
only one thing is students are satisfied themselves at shortest way to achieve their marks. But there is no gain in future for that type of project.
only one thing is students are satisfied themselves at shortest way to achieve their marks. But there is no gain in future for that type of project.
Posted by: Dhanaraj - 06 Mar, 2010
97: The colleges can give the projects to
students and ask them to do in the college
but how many professors are avaiable who can
give the project and get it done mostly the
colleges are not having profs and knoledge
base is also less
Posted by: Dr vemuri pc rao - 06 Mar, 2010
98: This is really a bad thing happend in IT
Field.
this is injustice to the students who are really doing hardwork to study.
the faculty of the college should make students fail who are buing readymade projets.
i also studying B.C.A. in saurashtra university,
my friends are also buying readymade projects and faculties of saurashtra university give them 80 to 90 marks in project .
this is injustice to the students who are really doing hardwork to study.
the faculty of the college should make students fail who are buing readymade projets.
i also studying B.C.A. in saurashtra university,
my friends are also buying readymade projects and faculties of saurashtra university give them 80 to 90 marks in project .
Posted by: Kamal Rachani - 06 Mar, 2010
99:This is really a bad thing. even i have done
my engineering quite a long time back and
right now running a software firm. Such new
are like black spots in our it sector. If
such things are heard by our clients how are
outsourcing their work to us it will
literally hamper our work.
After reading this article I will surely make sure that my hiring team recheck the applicant project reports before hiring because i this guys can't even effort to create their own project how will they create a new innovation projects in the sector?
Thank you silicoindia for the article
After reading this article I will surely make sure that my hiring team recheck the applicant project reports before hiring because i this guys can't even effort to create their own project how will they create a new innovation projects in the sector?
Thank you silicoindia for the article
pallav goswami replied to: Kamal Rachani
post - 06 Mar, 2010
post - 06 Mar, 2010
100: If eng student dont want to take streess then
they shud not opt for the task like
engineering
Posted by: Atul Singh - 05 Mar, 2010
101: `Outsourcing`
Posted by: Shyam.P.Kunte - 05 Mar, 2010
102:
This is going on for a long time. Just as in many fields there is a crisis of character and honesty it is there among some engineering students in their project work.
But who purchases project work and obtain degrees in Engineering when they go for interview for Technical jobs face the music. Especially in higher education and in acquiring jobs the project work plays a crucial role.
Some companies recruiting Engineering Graduates rely mostly on the project work done by the engineering graduates at the time of interview.
Moreover doing the project work by the student himself inculcates research methodology in him which will help in his further career.
Dr.A.Jagadeesh Nellore (AP)
This is going on for a long time. Just as in many fields there is a crisis of character and honesty it is there among some engineering students in their project work.
But who purchases project work and obtain degrees in Engineering when they go for interview for Technical jobs face the music. Especially in higher education and in acquiring jobs the project work plays a crucial role.
Some companies recruiting Engineering Graduates rely mostly on the project work done by the engineering graduates at the time of interview.
Moreover doing the project work by the student himself inculcates research methodology in him which will help in his further career.
Dr.A.Jagadeesh Nellore (AP)
Posted by: Dr.A.Jagadeesh - 05 Mar, 2010
103: this is pathetic. it kills innovation. they
will stop using their brains and it will take
them nowhere.
Posted by: ahana - 05 Mar, 2010
104:srsly! It should be curbed at initial stages
before it poses threat to future of
innovation!
Murali replied to: ahana
post - 06 Mar, 2010
post - 06 Mar, 2010
105: Its bad on student part to buy a proj but at
the same time its the responsiblity of the
evaluators to discourage this by giving bad
marks to these stolen items.
I dont think its a big deal for a evaluator to judge if the student has actually burbt hand on the proj or not.
I dont think its a big deal for a evaluator to judge if the student has actually burbt hand on the proj or not.
Kashif replied to: Murali
post - 06 Mar, 2010
post - 06 Mar, 2010
106: I'm also the student of B.Tech and buying
project is not only work on the big city,it
also works in small city and towns. The
student who buying the project has to shame
on him/her.They are spoiling his/her and the
COUNTRY future.Student who doing this should
realise that they are the engineers not a
normal human who find a certificate of
coputer from a rode-side computer
center.Engineers has his/her own identity.
So please don't do this and don't screw the engineering.
So please don't do this and don't screw the engineering.
Shashank replied to: Kashif
post - 06 Mar, 2010
post - 06 Mar, 2010
107: Hi
DO buying a project will be furnishing teh skills ? i don't think so .
do the system in the college will chane ? i don't think so .
do the institute will ever rasie any question from these .? no .
So what is the atleast moral of this story .
dear just be a human and genuine to urself wether not to any one but urself .
in 100 60 are into this line .. and rest 40 into CA or any other .
but still major factor is this and still we call overselfs as best .
well in short we are now trying to be pratical rather being ethical .
and mostly what is the worth of such output
15k , 20 k , max 30k for 5to 10 yrs time period ,
i would say better is to have something buisness rather wasting so much time and money .
DO buying a project will be furnishing teh skills ? i don't think so .
do the system in the college will chane ? i don't think so .
do the institute will ever rasie any question from these .? no .
So what is the atleast moral of this story .
dear just be a human and genuine to urself wether not to any one but urself .
in 100 60 are into this line .. and rest 40 into CA or any other .
but still major factor is this and still we call overselfs as best .
well in short we are now trying to be pratical rather being ethical .
and mostly what is the worth of such output
15k , 20 k , max 30k for 5to 10 yrs time period ,
i would say better is to have something buisness rather wasting so much time and money .
GGA replied to: Shashank
post - 06 Mar, 2010
post - 06 Mar, 2010
108:The real core problem in india is lack of
practical knowleze.
Most of the time spend in theory classes and 2 to 3 hrs for practicals.The confidence of the students here goes down,when it comes to project,they dont know how to make it,so they opt for private sources.
There must be reforms in education system,I know it is no easy because one class more than 100 students,how it will be managed.HRD ministry should think about problem and bring some educational reforms in teaching of engineering structure.
Thanks
Most of the time spend in theory classes and 2 to 3 hrs for practicals.The confidence of the students here goes down,when it comes to project,they dont know how to make it,so they opt for private sources.
There must be reforms in education system,I know it is no easy because one class more than 100 students,how it will be managed.HRD ministry should think about problem and bring some educational reforms in teaching of engineering structure.
Thanks
saurabh replied to: GGA
post - 07 Mar, 2010
post - 07 Mar, 2010
109: Dear Students,
The final year project works need the correct application of engineering and scientific principles for the specification,analysis,design and development of a "project"
irrespective of its application, size and performance.
As a Professor, I have been guiding more than 10 teams every year and we are publishing our works as International Conference or Journal papers. We are respecting the students potential and their ideas and trying to give an engineering touch.As most of you said that staff members may not be in a position to guide you as what you expected since teachers including myself are not experts in atleast one area. But we are also learning with our students. Let us grow together but dont allow others to grow in between us.There may be some faculty members who have not realized the importance of the students talent since they are also freshers. Forgive them and let us prove ourself in a small domain atleast.
We have to learn and work for ourselves including me.
The final year project works need the correct application of engineering and scientific principles for the specification,analysis,design and development of a "project"
irrespective of its application, size and performance.
As a Professor, I have been guiding more than 10 teams every year and we are publishing our works as International Conference or Journal papers. We are respecting the students potential and their ideas and trying to give an engineering touch.As most of you said that staff members may not be in a position to guide you as what you expected since teachers including myself are not experts in atleast one area. But we are also learning with our students. Let us grow together but dont allow others to grow in between us.There may be some faculty members who have not realized the importance of the students talent since they are also freshers. Forgive them and let us prove ourself in a small domain atleast.
We have to learn and work for ourselves including me.
Chandrasekaran replied to: saurabh
post - 07 Mar, 2010
post - 07 Mar, 2010
110: While I agree with most of the part you have
narrated, however, the thought of "Let us
grow together but dont allow others to grow
in between us" are certainly not appreciated.
Whoever it might be, whatever be the case. We shouldn't worry about others who are growing in a way.. maybe I took it in the wrong way! Probably not...
Whoever it might be, whatever be the case. We shouldn't worry about others who are growing in a way.. maybe I took it in the wrong way! Probably not...
Sidharth replied to: Chandrasekaran
post - 11 Mar, 2010
post - 11 Mar, 2010
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