Bad bosses can be good for economy
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SiliconIndia,Monday, 16 November 2009, 19:03 Hrs
New Delhi: Pay cuts, layoffs and unemployment - recession couldn't have been worse. On top of this if you have a bad boss you might have a tough time surviving. But an expert is claiming that bad and evil bosses are better suited for recession.
Scott Adams, the Creator of Dilbert, the cartoon strip that adds a comic element to 2,000 solemn newspapers across 70 countries, has discovered merit in evil bosses. Adams is convinced that difficult bosses can be good, as they help spawn entrepreneurs. "The worse bosses are, the better it is for the economy. In the old days people were born entrepreneurs, but today people are forced into entrepreneurship whether they like it or not," he told Economic Times in an interview.

His comments might be based on the U.S economy and its worst recession since Great Depression, but California resident Adams could well be looking at India and Indians from the same entrepreneurial prism going forward. And future Dilbert strips could see India and Indians depicted differently. Adams says that Indians have moved far ahead of the image of the smart, yet inexperienced office intern Asok, who is one of Dilbert's colleague. An IITian by qualification, Asok has been bestowed with psychic powers but continues to work for someone. But this might change soon. "He's the most confident person with the least power. Maybe, I'll have him strike out and be an entrepreneur some day."
"Trouble is that in order to be a good boss you got to be kind of a jerk, you got to be selfish and be willing to hurt other people to advance your own cause. I'm not like that. People try and take advantage of me pretty easily," says Adams, who has for years entertained millions every morning with his wit on employer-employee relationships. Asked about the impact of the U.S. recession on Dilbert, Adams has his own, and distinctive take.
"There are two things going on in the U.S. right now. If you don't have a job, and that's a lot of people, then things are pretty bad obviously. But those people who have kept their jobs, what they're finding is that the price of stuff is lower. When you order something that used to take a lot of weeks to be built and get shipped to you, you're getting it in a month. In a weird way, there are a lot of people who are moving into houses they couldn't have afforded before the crash," Adams added.
From a Dilbert point of view, the U.S. recession has done some good. "There's a period when everything is great and it's an employee's market and they ask for more money or they're going somewhere else. But right now we're in a period, where obviously you want to keep your employer happy because finding another job is going to be hard," says Adams. And this new insight has a source. Adams, who is building a new 'green' home in Pleasanton, California, is seeing attitudes change first-hand.
"You've never seen such good cooperation from all the sub-contractors. Everybody shows to work because there isn't that much work to have. It turned out to be the very best time to build a house because everybody's so eager to work. It's strange because usually the upside is not very obvious. I'm sure during the Great Depression there probably wasn't anybody who was better off."
For the past 20 years Adams' cartoons have ridiculed corporate workplaces and the 'Cubicle life' and everything around it, from management fads to consultants to evil bosses. But he says the central character of Dilbert borrows a bit from his own personality. "I certainly have shared some of his traits. I'm socially awkward and had trouble getting dates when I was his age, and a bit nerdy, so there's a lot of me in him. But I am more of Dogbert, the side of me that has a running conversation in my head saying inappropriate things. I use Dogbert as the character who says out loud the things I'm thinking," he said.
Scott Adams, the Creator of Dilbert, the cartoon strip that adds a comic element to 2,000 solemn newspapers across 70 countries, has discovered merit in evil bosses. Adams is convinced that difficult bosses can be good, as they help spawn entrepreneurs. "The worse bosses are, the better it is for the economy. In the old days people were born entrepreneurs, but today people are forced into entrepreneurship whether they like it or not," he told Economic Times in an interview.
His comments might be based on the U.S economy and its worst recession since Great Depression, but California resident Adams could well be looking at India and Indians from the same entrepreneurial prism going forward. And future Dilbert strips could see India and Indians depicted differently. Adams says that Indians have moved far ahead of the image of the smart, yet inexperienced office intern Asok, who is one of Dilbert's colleague. An IITian by qualification, Asok has been bestowed with psychic powers but continues to work for someone. But this might change soon. "He's the most confident person with the least power. Maybe, I'll have him strike out and be an entrepreneur some day."
"Trouble is that in order to be a good boss you got to be kind of a jerk, you got to be selfish and be willing to hurt other people to advance your own cause. I'm not like that. People try and take advantage of me pretty easily," says Adams, who has for years entertained millions every morning with his wit on employer-employee relationships. Asked about the impact of the U.S. recession on Dilbert, Adams has his own, and distinctive take.
"There are two things going on in the U.S. right now. If you don't have a job, and that's a lot of people, then things are pretty bad obviously. But those people who have kept their jobs, what they're finding is that the price of stuff is lower. When you order something that used to take a lot of weeks to be built and get shipped to you, you're getting it in a month. In a weird way, there are a lot of people who are moving into houses they couldn't have afforded before the crash," Adams added.
From a Dilbert point of view, the U.S. recession has done some good. "There's a period when everything is great and it's an employee's market and they ask for more money or they're going somewhere else. But right now we're in a period, where obviously you want to keep your employer happy because finding another job is going to be hard," says Adams. And this new insight has a source. Adams, who is building a new 'green' home in Pleasanton, California, is seeing attitudes change first-hand.
"You've never seen such good cooperation from all the sub-contractors. Everybody shows to work because there isn't that much work to have. It turned out to be the very best time to build a house because everybody's so eager to work. It's strange because usually the upside is not very obvious. I'm sure during the Great Depression there probably wasn't anybody who was better off."
For the past 20 years Adams' cartoons have ridiculed corporate workplaces and the 'Cubicle life' and everything around it, from management fads to consultants to evil bosses. But he says the central character of Dilbert borrows a bit from his own personality. "I certainly have shared some of his traits. I'm socially awkward and had trouble getting dates when I was his age, and a bit nerdy, so there's a lot of me in him. But I am more of Dogbert, the side of me that has a running conversation in my head saying inappropriate things. I use Dogbert as the character who says out loud the things I'm thinking," he said.
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Reader's comments (28)
1: You mean to say I should thank my boss for a
thriving enterprise I have going! He sure
fitted the bill!Mean, Ugly, Evil, Nasty and
Ugly to boot!
Posted by: Shirin Abbas - 18 Nov, 2009
2: Everyone has good qualities if someone who
understands other's problem & try to
solve the same,is best boss as well as
employee also. Because both think to well for
the organization. Problems come to us only
to teach us how we can solve the same better
way. In difficult situations our mind do work
more effectivelly & creativelly. It shows
that kindness always live in highest
positioned person also. If we think positive
then next one will have to be positive by the
nature's principle.
Sudha Asthana
Sudha Asthana
Posted by: sudha - 18 Nov, 2009
3: I am still trying to understand as to what
one should take away from the expert above...
the fact that there are bad / good bossed
& how to identify them... or undertsand
recession in Western & Eastern part of
the world... or how things have been good for
some & bad for some due to the econimoc
conditions... or how there are always certain
good things & opportunities that are
there in every situation, whether good or
bad...
It is subjective for everyone but I personally would go for the last thought...
It is subjective for everyone but I personally would go for the last thought...
Posted by: Sumanta Ghosh - 17 Nov, 2009
4: I dont think in India anyone likes to work
under a Indian Boss when compared with a
bosses of other country as I have personally
seen lot of politics going around within the
organization related to caste, comunity etc..
Posted by: Pankaj - 17 Nov, 2009
5: I personally do not believe that the
recession was a drama enacted by the western
world under the leadership of USA to weaken
the emerging economies in the Latin America
and Asia.
Pl. read " I personally do believe...."
Pl. read " I personally do believe...."
Posted by: Roy - 17 Nov, 2009
6: A boss who knows his work and his
subordinates work and also ruthlessly adhere
to his time schedule to meet the targets is
always treated as a bad boss because..every
body knows....I do not know what the
subordinates in the rest of the world thinks
about such a boss. Yes..in a period of
recession such a boss is always an asset to
the organisation he works. In India, I do not
believe that we faced a recession as what was
advertised in the western world. Whatever was
said here was a pretext to retrench the
employees and make the rest to work for more
hours at a reduced pay...and of course to
raise the interest rates of banks. I
personally do not believe that the recession
was a drama enacted by the western world
under the leadership of USA to weaken the
emerging economies in the Latin America and
Asia.
Posted by: Roy - 17 Nov, 2009
7: there are two way to see the world.one part
is too bright to say anything and another one
too dark to see the actual thing. bosses r
always bad for his junior is one part and
bosses are always good is another thought.
well its all depends on your own view. but
bad bosses fiar for economy is not complitely
true. after all workers under a boss give
their all good efforts only when they
inspired the good quality of leadership. so
may be this survey appllied for usa but
things are not same in other country
coporates.
Posted by: Bishwajeet kumar - 17 Nov, 2009
8:WHO IS A BOSS? ALSO WHO IS A BIG BOSS? BOTH
BLEADY CHEAT AND EQUALLY SAME. THEY THINK
THAT THEY MAY BE THE BOSS BUT THEY WILL NEVER
REALISED BY WHOM WE OR I MADE AS BOSS.THEY
WERE CREATED BY THE REAL AND TRUE INNOCENT
PEOPLE BEHIND THEM.THEY ARE ALSO ILLETRTATED
AND UNEDUCATED AND THE BOSS WIL NOT EVEN
THINK AND TRY TO MAKE THEM EDUCATED IN ANY
LEVEL HE HAS BEEN SO CALLED BOSS. CALLED
BOSSES AND BIGBOSSES. BUT THEY WILL OUGHT
REMEMBER AND REALISE IT SOON BECAUSE THE REAL
BOSS IS THE POOR UNEDUCATED PEOPLE OF
COUNTRY. SOON IT MAY HAPPEN.
AISHWARYA RAI replied to: Bishwajeet kumar
post - 17 Nov, 2009
post - 17 Nov, 2009
9: a copied bit frm ET
Posted by: sowmya - 17 Nov, 2009
10: Well, very few Indians really wants to work
under Indian boss, (with the possible
exception of the government guys, and the
corporate/BPO sector). Everyone is desperte
to be a boss. It is part of our ancient
history, wherein by hook or crook, the scheme
is the overthrow one's superior, if it is
possible. If not possible, adorn the pose of
a willing slave, till oppurtunity strikes.
When the oppurtunit strikes, the subordinate
is another person altogether. It is basically
connected to our stiffling feudal language
and communication. Now, it seems the these
things have arrived in the English shores
also. God save the society there!
Posted by: Ved from Victoria Institutions - 17 Nov, 2009
11: how come a bad and evil manager is good.
if it is happen then it must be a temporary, definitely it wont be permanent
if it is happen then it must be a temporary, definitely it wont be permanent
Posted by: Narendra - 17 Nov, 2009
12: it depends on the definition of bad boss. if
bad boss is tough task master and end of day
able to produce good results and if bad boss
never allow you to have easy task, keep you
work hard. the statement is true.
apart from this category, one can not expect any thing positive.
apart from this category, one can not expect any thing positive.
Posted by: rajeev - 17 Nov, 2009
13:Hi,
to be strict in task and responsibilities, is not a bad and evil boss, its a strict boss and naturally every one respects that but we r talking about Bad (Evil) boss.
I hope we can not resolve the difference between Bad and Strict Boss.
Thanks
to be strict in task and responsibilities, is not a bad and evil boss, its a strict boss and naturally every one respects that but we r talking about Bad (Evil) boss.
I hope we can not resolve the difference between Bad and Strict Boss.
Thanks
Samir Momin replied to: rajeev
post - 17 Nov, 2009
post - 17 Nov, 2009
14: Hi,
again I will make Peoples remind Newtons Law who use to forget again and again " there is equal and opposite reaction for a action" so.... Bad action will get Bad reaction. I cant understand How "Bad" Boss can ever generate " good" economy.
Samir Momin.
again I will make Peoples remind Newtons Law who use to forget again and again " there is equal and opposite reaction for a action" so.... Bad action will get Bad reaction. I cant understand How "Bad" Boss can ever generate " good" economy.
Samir Momin.
Posted by: Samir Momin - 16 Nov, 2009
15:I am agree with your formula and explanation,
but bad and evil managers by giving wrong
feedback about team members they are
indirectly spoiling company atmosphere, other
team members are scared to work under such
evil and bad managers, but high level
managenet never have time to look into low
level team member feedback, just they adicted
to believe manager words, and doing action by
firing the candiates, but later few months..
if more no. of candiates eaving from the
company, managenet sure will observe the
things where exactly the root cause? this is
what really happened in many places, high
level management never listen team member
words... such a bad, evil and highly -ve
talented managers around innocent and
intelligent people, any how whatever cost
nothing to worry.. he is good or bad manager
doesnot matter, if the guy who is fired is
more talented, he will get more benefits in
short time than his coleagues in previous
company... finally the conculsion is thinking
about manager good or bad nothing will get,
how to show our talent in next company, we
must act like lead and should be moral
support to many of the guys who suffered like
us...
Ravi Prasad replied to: Samir Momin
post - 16 Nov, 2009
post - 16 Nov, 2009
16: Hi,
For short Period you can feel Bad Boss is good for company and economy boss, if it will come to team members Company Will not servive with the help of Bad Bosses and therefore economy that is for sure from my side.
So there should be a good boss, mind it!
Samir Momin
For short Period you can feel Bad Boss is good for company and economy boss, if it will come to team members Company Will not servive with the help of Bad Bosses and therefore economy that is for sure from my side.
So there should be a good boss, mind it!
Samir Momin
Posted by: Samir Momin - 16 Nov, 2009
17: this is really pathetic situation when the
people are appreciating bad bosses and
managers, and the logic itself that that bad
management can promote entrepreneurship is
definitely screwed up, or the person making
such argument is a bad manager himself, yea
definitely the bosses may push the employees
and may or may not get any productivity out
them, but definitely kill the zeal for
entrepreneurship, which only buds from a free
flowing thought process and 'undying' zeal of
materialising those ideas, which a bad
manager can only 'nip in the buds', good or
bad for economy but bad bosses are definitely
bad news for the budding entrepreneurs
Posted by: shivansh - 16 Nov, 2009
18:A valid point by shiv.
“Survival of the fittest” is a good phase, but “Nobody is unfit” should be the view, if it’s to be looked positively. The strategy of any organization paves way to different behavioral patterns in different people. But exhibiting a behavioral pattern in a manner that people with us are comfortable, lies in the individual. If the labeled Bad bosses are contributing to upturn in entrepreneurs, then the entrepreneur should be appreciated/supported by us, for his/her guts to be so. Let us not worry/pay attention to theses bad/bosses, for they get their turn to accurate or cleanse. All the struggle an employee puts to tackle a bad boss should groom him professionally & personally. For this to happen we need to either avoid paying attention to erratic games played/ or wisely handle it in a manner that his as… burns by our approach.
“Survival of the fittest” is a good phase, but “Nobody is unfit” should be the view, if it’s to be looked positively. The strategy of any organization paves way to different behavioral patterns in different people. But exhibiting a behavioral pattern in a manner that people with us are comfortable, lies in the individual. If the labeled Bad bosses are contributing to upturn in entrepreneurs, then the entrepreneur should be appreciated/supported by us, for his/her guts to be so. Let us not worry/pay attention to theses bad/bosses, for they get their turn to accurate or cleanse. All the struggle an employee puts to tackle a bad boss should groom him professionally & personally. For this to happen we need to either avoid paying attention to erratic games played/ or wisely handle it in a manner that his as… burns by our approach.
Ram replied to: shivansh
post - 17 Nov, 2009
post - 17 Nov, 2009
19: Great Techies.... by seeing this conversion
threads, they have changed the tile of this
article... first they dispolayed like this
-Bad and evil bosses are best bosses during
recession- now it is like this -Bad bosses
can be good for economy-... once they mention
evil bosses. they cannot limit this article,
because lot of evil managers are present in
this society, for that they removed that
word...
Posted by: Ravi Prasad - 16 Nov, 2009
20: Very true Ravi. We hear these kind of stories
very often these days. Thats why many people
choose to start their own business so that
they can do things the way they want &
when they want & being the boss of their
own destiny...
Posted by: Manesh Mohan - 16 Nov, 2009
21:Thank you manesh,sidhu and ddfdf,
but my intension is different like, recession is good for innocent people, to prove their talents in other companies, by seeing fired candiate presence in other companies the previous employers must think to change the company as immediately as possible... if it happends like that while firing candiate they will look at manager profile and feedback also...
Ha Ha Ha... how many techies likes my openion, i dont know, but surely we can change the world aganist the meaning of the word RECESSION
but my intension is different like, recession is good for innocent people, to prove their talents in other companies, by seeing fired candiate presence in other companies the previous employers must think to change the company as immediately as possible... if it happends like that while firing candiate they will look at manager profile and feedback also...
Ha Ha Ha... how many techies likes my openion, i dont know, but surely we can change the world aganist the meaning of the word RECESSION
Ravi Prasad replied to: Manesh Mohan
post - 16 Nov, 2009
post - 16 Nov, 2009
22: 1000% true, they dont have any of +ve
attitude, they only know cruetly against
subordinates... their personal worries and
depressions are showing on team members... it
may not effect the candiate, but it effects
the company, when company looses one
effiecient guy by getting BIG Zero feedback,
Real talented people never worry about all these non-sense things... they can prove wherever they got appointed. He also get good fecilities and hike than previous company...
still I didnt understand, then what is the use of throwing out an efficient candiate? going effect candiate career or going to spoil present company resources? waiting for more replies... if u like my comment...
Real talented people never worry about all these non-sense things... they can prove wherever they got appointed. He also get good fecilities and hike than previous company...
still I didnt understand, then what is the use of throwing out an efficient candiate? going effect candiate career or going to spoil present company resources? waiting for more replies... if u like my comment...
Posted by: Ravi Prasad - 16 Nov, 2009
23:I am one of the fellow for the above
statement..
Sidhu replied to: Ravi Prasad
post - 16 Nov, 2009
post - 16 Nov, 2009
24: Yes Ravi.. You are pretty much true.
Praveen replied to: Sidhu
post - 16 Nov, 2009
post - 16 Nov, 2009
25: I am also same thing.Its good But we know
what we
ddfdf replied to: Sidhu
post - 16 Nov, 2009
post - 16 Nov, 2009
26: It is 100% true. I am totally agreeing to the
above article.
diwakarreddy replied to: ddfdf
post - 16 Nov, 2009
post - 16 Nov, 2009
27: It may be true that bad bossses are best at
certain instances but they are just
exceptions. that incidents are only
ephemarel. Such kind of incidents just happen
instead of being the result of any intended
positive effort. But good is always
victorious irrespective the arena and walk of
life. Bad can never beat the good. Good has
been having its good survival for long long
ago. time and again it is proved that good is
the one what has the support of great people
and god in turns. So don't get allured by
this article. Be good ,great and live lively
and let the juniors live happily with your
absolute support in their growth
manoj bharal replied to: diwakarreddy
post - 17 Nov, 2009
post - 17 Nov, 2009
28:The time is really bad and on top of Bad
booss, this sometime can become nightmare.
Therefore, at this situation you should not
loose your temprament. And as always said the
good and hardwork is always victorious and
pays off. So be a good boss and be good to
boss.
kailash joshi replied to: manoj bharal
post - 18 Nov, 2009
post - 18 Nov, 2009
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