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Australian coroners fake info on Indian deaths
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siliconindia news bureau
Bangalore: Over 54 students from overseas died of various reasons in Australia last year of which nearly half were Indians. The public officials tried to hide details of the deaths, to protect the lucrative $15.5 billion education market in the country, 'The Age' in Melbourne reported.
The report published, claims the toll to be much higher than what the federal government had admitted. The State and Territory Officials, under the National Coroners Information System (NCIS), moreover, have refused to comply with an application submitted by the daily, which inquired about the data on deaths of overseas students in the year ended November 2008, the paper said. A spokeswoman for Victorian Coroner, Jennifer Coate said "The information would not be made public because it was not exhaustive. The nationality and occupation of someone who has died is not required to be automatically recorded." The refusal came after the NCIS's previous indications of making the information available, the report said.
On questioning in the Parliament, the government said that in February 51 overseas students died in that year, with 34 dying of "unknown" causes. Fourteen cases were cited as accidents and three as death from illness. But, an investigation by The Age has established that the death toll is around 54 which is higher than 51 with mostly Indians, Korean and Chinese. Nearly half were Indians, holding one-fifth of the total student visas at that time, the report said. Opposition Immigration spokeswoman Sharman Stone informed that she sought the data in February because foreign-student organizations suspected under-reporting of deaths. "Citing 34 deaths as unknown is an extraordinary statistic," she said.
The government figures did not display suicide cases. Commenting on the issue, Chris Nyland, an expert on International Education, Monash University, said "There is a need for a federal advisory body on student safety. Mandatory statistical reporting of international students' deaths must also be done. If an overseas student dies in Australia, the education provider is not required to give a the cause of death when it reports the matter to the Department of Education, Employment and Workplace Relations, in present situations.
Witnessing the uncontrollable situation, External Affairs Minister of India, S M Krishna, is planning to visit Australia to address the situation.
The report published, claims the toll to be much higher than what the federal government had admitted. The State and Territory Officials, under the National Coroners Information System (NCIS), moreover, have refused to comply with an application submitted by the daily, which inquired about the data on deaths of overseas students in the year ended November 2008, the paper said. A spokeswoman for Victorian Coroner, Jennifer Coate said "The information would not be made public because it was not exhaustive. The nationality and occupation of someone who has died is not required to be automatically recorded." The refusal came after the NCIS's previous indications of making the information available, the report said.
On questioning in the Parliament, the government said that in February 51 overseas students died in that year, with 34 dying of "unknown" causes. Fourteen cases were cited as accidents and three as death from illness. But, an investigation by The Age has established that the death toll is around 54 which is higher than 51 with mostly Indians, Korean and Chinese. Nearly half were Indians, holding one-fifth of the total student visas at that time, the report said. Opposition Immigration spokeswoman Sharman Stone informed that she sought the data in February because foreign-student organizations suspected under-reporting of deaths. "Citing 34 deaths as unknown is an extraordinary statistic," she said.
The government figures did not display suicide cases. Commenting on the issue, Chris Nyland, an expert on International Education, Monash University, said "There is a need for a federal advisory body on student safety. Mandatory statistical reporting of international students' deaths must also be done. If an overseas student dies in Australia, the education provider is not required to give a the cause of death when it reports the matter to the Department of Education, Employment and Workplace Relations, in present situations.
Witnessing the uncontrollable situation, External Affairs Minister of India, S M Krishna, is planning to visit Australia to address the situation.
Reader's comments(41)
1: according to ur news few universities are
offering at lowest rate of but, still there
is no protection for life Citing 34 deaths as
unknown is an extraordinary statistic this
sentence doesn't make any sense
Posted by: jack - 06 Jul, 2009
2:
Before you start talkin too much about racism in Australia,just take a moment to think about our own country (India).Dont you agree that there is racism in India in the basis of skin clour and the place a person coming from?Why many people in the north of India think that they are better than those from South?I dont know if those kinda discrmination (obviously that is racial) still exists in India,but if it does we cant complain too much.
In my opinion...especially those I have seen in Australia when I was there, seem like they dont care or respect the people in their host country.Playing lound music through their mobile phone in a train filled with passengers and talking loudly in the class rooms while the lecturer is teaching is not fair at all.But I am not trying say that because of these things,students from India have to get injured by the gangsters or teenage group.I know its hard to adopt other country's culture and it's custom in a full swing but you can always try no to get diliked by the people from that country.How would you feel if people from another country come to a hindu town in India and cook beef on the streets?
Before you start talkin too much about racism in Australia,just take a moment to think about our own country (India).Dont you agree that there is racism in India in the basis of skin clour and the place a person coming from?Why many people in the north of India think that they are better than those from South?I dont know if those kinda discrmination (obviously that is racial) still exists in India,but if it does we cant complain too much.
In my opinion...especially those I have seen in Australia when I was there, seem like they dont care or respect the people in their host country.Playing lound music through their mobile phone in a train filled with passengers and talking loudly in the class rooms while the lecturer is teaching is not fair at all.But I am not trying say that because of these things,students from India have to get injured by the gangsters or teenage group.I know its hard to adopt other country's culture and it's custom in a full swing but you can always try no to get diliked by the people from that country.How would you feel if people from another country come to a hindu town in India and cook beef on the streets?
Posted by: Jay - 04 Jul, 2009
3:Jay,
I am not sure your experience in India...... But I have been to almost every part of India as part of Business Trip (Except Far East). I never felt any racism (may be compitition) till now!
However this article says that Australian goverment's FAKE FACE !
I am not sure your experience in India...... But I have been to almost every part of India as part of Business Trip (Except Far East). I never felt any racism (may be compitition) till now!
However this article says that Australian goverment's FAKE FACE !
Npatel replied to: Jay
post - 06 Jul, 2009
post - 06 Jul, 2009
4: If i have my history right, it was criminals
from the British Iles who were shipped to
Australia in the 19th Century. They were used
as labourers along with the locals. So you
cannot really expect better from a nation
that has emerged from criminal genes.
Posted by: B Srinivas - 04 Jul, 2009
5:Beg to differ Srinivas...It's like saying if
your one of your ancestors was a thief,
you're one too...while I do not disagree with
the historical aspect of Australia, I surely
would like to inform you that what you're
making will amount to a racist comment, which
is not warranted, and absolutely
unacceptable.
Karthik Krishnan replied to: B Srinivas
post - 04 Jul, 2009
post - 04 Jul, 2009
6: Honestly, I think the whole idea of Indians
being perverse and behaving badly with the
womenfolk is rubbish. Considering people
who\'ve commented here have taken viewpoints
from a chat they had with a Finn friend or a
French, let me tell you. I have little over
165 friends who are overseas, either
studying, or working, 15 of them, down under,
and a majority in the US.
1. I would really like to see one of the accused in the recent case of Thirthala Shravan, trying to defend themselves in the courts, stating Indians were perverts and that they misbehaved with the local women...it would be fun to watch them try it.
2. You should realise that the news item states that the victims are predominantly of Indian, Chinese and Korean origin (paragraph-3, line 3). So I guess even Chinese and Koreans are perverts and your friends in Finland \"abhor\" them too...perhaps...perhaps the whole world just hates Indians, Chinese and Koreans, because it so happens that they are the ones who get killed each time, and interestingly for their mobile phones, cash and sickeningly, the alcohol they possess. But I guess the fault lies with not just the Indians, but also the Chinese and the Koreans who were killed or attacked. Fair enough.
3. One must also realise that the news article states that the deaths were under-reported and that in most cases the deaths were stated as of \"unknown\" causes, and that suicide cases were not reported. But that too I guess is because Chinese, Indians and Koreans misbehave with womenfolk wherever they go and are hated for it. That is perhaps the reason why the coroners have under reported deaths and have not stated the causes of death very clearly. Fair enough.
4. One must also read the article...because this article doesn\'t seem to be about \"what caused the deaths\" but the fact that the deaths were not reported accurately, and that there was no clarity on the causes of death in most cases. But I guess \"Brutus is an honorable man\"...so the journalist must have made some mistake in titling the article, since it should have been, \"Why Indians are hated all around the world\"...oh sorry! I stand corrected there...the title should have actually been \"Why the Chinese, Koreans and Indians are hated all around the world\"...but that doesn\'t seem to do justice does it...so lets change the title of the article to \"Indians misbehave with women all around the world\". But strangely, I don\'t see such a title to this news item. But fair enough.
5. The matter seemed to be given importance in the Aussie Parliament. But I guess they\'re a bunch of ignorant folks who don\'t know the real reason...which is the fact that Indians misbehave with women...oh sorry Chinese, Koreans and Indians all misbehave with women. Fair enough.
6. I have not read about students of Indian origin, or Chinese or Korean, being attacked at their homes or on the streets...oh I think i\'ve made a mistake all over again. I hope you\'ll forgive me Gargi and Graham Simmons, and especially Markadam. I\'m sorry once again...what I was trying to say is that the Indian Embassy and Consulate (although it would be a High Commission since Australia and India are both Commonwealth nations...we learnt that in class-5, but we\'ll ignore this ignorance and move on). Where was I, Ah!, The Indian Embassy and Consulate should be aware of the whereabouts, and the health of its citizens in another country. Yeah right. They should put a police force and a bunch of private detectives to keep tabs on them, while the Aussie police eat donuts and the government smokes their peace pipe and chills out with a beer is it? The police and the government certainly don\'t seem to think so but perhaps, because of the way Indians misbehave with women, it should be the case. Fair enough.
7. An honest question. Are you guys literate? Can you read? Did you even bother about what you are talking about? There are people lying in hospitals comatose, and there are others dead. These are humans we are talking about. The Australian Davis Cup team was very quick to forfeit its matches with India, even at the cost of a penalty from the ITF, siting security concerns, even when there were none. You guys are so paranoid about the safety of your citizens on other countries\' soil...but you site reasons like \"It\'s because of the way Indians \'misbehave\' with women, that they get attacked, even if the case is that they\'re being mugged?\" But I guess it\'s all a part of the Vicious Circle that started with Indians, and Chinese, and Koreans all misbehaving with women, that they get mugged, they are victims of armed robbery, they get killed. Fair enough.
Mr SM Krishna, I suggest you think about it (at least for academic interests). You probably want to stop allowing Indian students to take courses in Australia, since the Aussies, who are very comprehensively represented in this discussion, expect the Indian Embassy to protect the Indian student, and make sure he/she is alive. They also admit that they would definitely continue attacking them for the way \"Indians, Chinese and Koreans misbehave with women\".
Mr. SM Krishna, I for one don\'t see why the $15.5 billion education industry in Australia should thrive at the cost of Indian blood being spilled for \"misbehaviour with women\"
1. I would really like to see one of the accused in the recent case of Thirthala Shravan, trying to defend themselves in the courts, stating Indians were perverts and that they misbehaved with the local women...it would be fun to watch them try it.
2. You should realise that the news item states that the victims are predominantly of Indian, Chinese and Korean origin (paragraph-3, line 3). So I guess even Chinese and Koreans are perverts and your friends in Finland \"abhor\" them too...perhaps...perhaps the whole world just hates Indians, Chinese and Koreans, because it so happens that they are the ones who get killed each time, and interestingly for their mobile phones, cash and sickeningly, the alcohol they possess. But I guess the fault lies with not just the Indians, but also the Chinese and the Koreans who were killed or attacked. Fair enough.
3. One must also realise that the news article states that the deaths were under-reported and that in most cases the deaths were stated as of \"unknown\" causes, and that suicide cases were not reported. But that too I guess is because Chinese, Indians and Koreans misbehave with womenfolk wherever they go and are hated for it. That is perhaps the reason why the coroners have under reported deaths and have not stated the causes of death very clearly. Fair enough.
4. One must also read the article...because this article doesn\'t seem to be about \"what caused the deaths\" but the fact that the deaths were not reported accurately, and that there was no clarity on the causes of death in most cases. But I guess \"Brutus is an honorable man\"...so the journalist must have made some mistake in titling the article, since it should have been, \"Why Indians are hated all around the world\"...oh sorry! I stand corrected there...the title should have actually been \"Why the Chinese, Koreans and Indians are hated all around the world\"...but that doesn\'t seem to do justice does it...so lets change the title of the article to \"Indians misbehave with women all around the world\". But strangely, I don\'t see such a title to this news item. But fair enough.
5. The matter seemed to be given importance in the Aussie Parliament. But I guess they\'re a bunch of ignorant folks who don\'t know the real reason...which is the fact that Indians misbehave with women...oh sorry Chinese, Koreans and Indians all misbehave with women. Fair enough.
6. I have not read about students of Indian origin, or Chinese or Korean, being attacked at their homes or on the streets...oh I think i\'ve made a mistake all over again. I hope you\'ll forgive me Gargi and Graham Simmons, and especially Markadam. I\'m sorry once again...what I was trying to say is that the Indian Embassy and Consulate (although it would be a High Commission since Australia and India are both Commonwealth nations...we learnt that in class-5, but we\'ll ignore this ignorance and move on). Where was I, Ah!, The Indian Embassy and Consulate should be aware of the whereabouts, and the health of its citizens in another country. Yeah right. They should put a police force and a bunch of private detectives to keep tabs on them, while the Aussie police eat donuts and the government smokes their peace pipe and chills out with a beer is it? The police and the government certainly don\'t seem to think so but perhaps, because of the way Indians misbehave with women, it should be the case. Fair enough.
7. An honest question. Are you guys literate? Can you read? Did you even bother about what you are talking about? There are people lying in hospitals comatose, and there are others dead. These are humans we are talking about. The Australian Davis Cup team was very quick to forfeit its matches with India, even at the cost of a penalty from the ITF, siting security concerns, even when there were none. You guys are so paranoid about the safety of your citizens on other countries\' soil...but you site reasons like \"It\'s because of the way Indians \'misbehave\' with women, that they get attacked, even if the case is that they\'re being mugged?\" But I guess it\'s all a part of the Vicious Circle that started with Indians, and Chinese, and Koreans all misbehaving with women, that they get mugged, they are victims of armed robbery, they get killed. Fair enough.
Mr SM Krishna, I suggest you think about it (at least for academic interests). You probably want to stop allowing Indian students to take courses in Australia, since the Aussies, who are very comprehensively represented in this discussion, expect the Indian Embassy to protect the Indian student, and make sure he/she is alive. They also admit that they would definitely continue attacking them for the way \"Indians, Chinese and Koreans misbehave with women\".
Mr. SM Krishna, I for one don\'t see why the $15.5 billion education industry in Australia should thrive at the cost of Indian blood being spilled for \"misbehaviour with women\"
Posted by: G Karthik Krishnan - 03 Jul, 2009
7: indians are rogues or not, there is no
diference,they too are humans, they work to
survive.
india is clean or dirty, again there is no difference, they earn to live and die.
india is clean or dirty, again there is no difference, they earn to live and die.
Posted by: duncan - 03 Jul, 2009
9: As an Aussie, I can tell you that the major
cause of resentment towards Indian students
is their attitude towards Australian women.
This is due in many cases to appalling
ignorance, which I have also seen on many
occasions while in India. As long as a male
Indian student is safe in the knowledge that
there is an arranged wife waiting for him
back home, he has no incentive to try to get
to know local girls, learn to like them and
begin to appreciate their qualities.
Posted by: Graham Simmons - 03 Jul, 2009
10:hey Graham,
I totaly agree with u being a gal I kno the levels of eveteasing in India, and I kno the way Indian Pervert guys behave in other countries, that has made them least loved among all the nations they have migrated.
but killing and injuring lone, hapless and weaponless Indian students doesnt seem to be much of an solution. atleast when Austrlia's Education industry is so dependant on Indians.
I totaly agree with u being a gal I kno the levels of eveteasing in India, and I kno the way Indian Pervert guys behave in other countries, that has made them least loved among all the nations they have migrated.
but killing and injuring lone, hapless and weaponless Indian students doesnt seem to be much of an solution. atleast when Austrlia's Education industry is so dependant on Indians.
Gargi replied to: Graham Simmons
post - 03 Jul, 2009
post - 03 Jul, 2009
11:Mr. Graham, indians are known for thier
greate culture. they respect women like a god
in our country. dnt mention these kind of
comments again...
Bheemaraj Gaddad replied to: Graham Simmons
post - 03 Jul, 2009
post - 03 Jul, 2009
12: culture my a*s, i'm an indian and i know
about our culture.. you must be referring to
our long lost tradition that has been
convoluted by atleast half the population
into something that reviles the whole
world.... so saying that we treat them like
gods is an exaggeration by a long mile...
even then i would say india treats its women
better than a lot of the developed
countries.... and for australia to be
commenting on how we treat our women is like
clinton preaching abstenance... our country
is led by woman even though the titular head
is a man, and your country has not even come
close to a woman head of the nation, even
though you have the queen as a symbolic head.
I think that alone speaks volumes about how
much importance is accorded....
Priyank replied to: Bheemaraj Gaddad
post - 05 Jul, 2009
post - 05 Jul, 2009
13: Hi Mr Bheemaraj,
You've hit the nail right on the head. Indians do treat women like gods - but Aussie women aren't gods! Instead of expecting all Aussie girls to be godlike, Indian students need to show a little more cool, understanding and French-style joie-de-vivre. As Upendra says, both India and Australia suffered from British rule - and whereas in both countries Victorian attitudes still live on, in Australia this is now much less so.
You've hit the nail right on the head. Indians do treat women like gods - but Aussie women aren't gods! Instead of expecting all Aussie girls to be godlike, Indian students need to show a little more cool, understanding and French-style joie-de-vivre. As Upendra says, both India and Australia suffered from British rule - and whereas in both countries Victorian attitudes still live on, in Australia this is now much less so.
Graham Simmons replied to: Bheemaraj Gaddad
post - 04 Jul, 2009
post - 04 Jul, 2009
14: well, Graham, I missed your point
however...pardon me but I really do not
understand French. Joie-de-vivre?
Irrespective of what it might mean, read my post in reply to all of your comments...that should put things into perspective for you...since I see pretty clear, that you don't have a clear one.
Irrespective of what it might mean, read my post in reply to all of your comments...that should put things into perspective for you...since I see pretty clear, that you don't have a clear one.
Karthik Krishnan replied to: Graham Simmons
post - 04 Jul, 2009
post - 04 Jul, 2009
15:Mr Graham, I don't know how u came to
conclude this kind Argument, Nearly More
than 3 Lack students from India are moving
higher studies to different countries in the
World. I did't See this kind of the
Situation other than in World except
Australia, I am sorry to say that is
Australian Girls are such Hot than the Indian
Girls , If the Indian Boys are such an
Attitude persons no Aussie woman with you
they might have flew with Indian boys.
Sandeep replied to: Graham Simmons
post - 03 Jul, 2009
post - 03 Jul, 2009
16: well Sandip,
To be true! In most countries they hate Indian students for the same reason.
I was yday chatting with my fren from Finland, and she told me the same thing. she hates Indian coz their attitude towards local woman is abhoring. they behave loke some perverts who has never seen a woman, and treat every girl as 1 night stand.
b4 blaming others we shd kno the shortcomings in us tooo. dont close your eyes to them
To be true! In most countries they hate Indian students for the same reason.
I was yday chatting with my fren from Finland, and she told me the same thing. she hates Indian coz their attitude towards local woman is abhoring. they behave loke some perverts who has never seen a woman, and treat every girl as 1 night stand.
b4 blaming others we shd kno the shortcomings in us tooo. dont close your eyes to them
Gargi replied to: Sandeep
post - 03 Jul, 2009
post - 03 Jul, 2009
17: true .. a lot of indian males abroad are
quite revolting in their outlook towards the
fairer sex, but generalising it is not called
for... thats like saying every foreigner
entering india is a corrupting capitalist out
to make a quick buck by wringing the wealth
out of india....they are not... moreover why
are indian males being singled out in this
respect, in the context that you have pointed
out, italian or even brazillian males (of the
ones i\'ve come across) have far outfaired
indian males, not to mention a whole lot of
other demographies... but you women seem to
enjoy the attention since you are not
speaking about them, cos if you were you\'d
probably hate most men from any country....
moreover remember the 1 night stand itself is
not an Indian concept to begin with...
Priyank replied to: Gargi
post - 05 Jul, 2009
post - 05 Jul, 2009
18: Ah Gargi,
So you and your Finn friend put together are an authority on Indian psychology and behavioural pattern is it?
Beg to differ. Your comment is not just a conceited racist one, but also of someone who knows nothing and doesn't even have a mind open enough to accept information or knowledge.
So you and your Finn friend put together are an authority on Indian psychology and behavioural pattern is it?
Beg to differ. Your comment is not just a conceited racist one, but also of someone who knows nothing and doesn't even have a mind open enough to accept information or knowledge.
Karthik Krishnan replied to: Gargi
post - 04 Jul, 2009
post - 04 Jul, 2009
19:I have two viewpoints on attack against
Indian students:
1.It is deplorable, no doubt, but one cannot accuse Australia per se, as being racist. They have been generously offering opportunities to India, whether that benefits them or not is another question, nevertheless they have really been very generous in offering Indians and people from Asians to come into their country and work there and study there. India, is never such generous. If it were in India, there would have been mass outcry to stop giving visas to foriegners and some political party or other will pretend to be patriots to throw the foriegners out and make cheap mileage out of it.
2. In India too, human right violations and violences are plenty.. not a few incidences or even hundreds, people are killed in thousands in riots and racial hatred. I am and engineer from South India (Kerala), had my education in Delhi and Ahmedabad, and I had so many occassions of humiliations by North Indians. On my first day of admission to Delhi College of Engineering, Delhi a father of a Himachal Pradesh student asked my father contemptuously whether there were no engineering colleges in the south and why I came there. And throughout my North Indian life I have seen south indian\\\'s being called \\\'madrasis\\\', demeaned contemptuously, and i remember that I was considered a second class citizen, by a large number of north indians, who do not respect south indians. I had even thought out of frustration, that it was better to be under British than under North Indians.
3. Why do Indian students go to Australia to study even now? We have so many professional colleges here. They go mostly to enjoy the free life of western world. One freedom I mention here is, of course, the one recently conferred on Delhi High Court right of adult citizens to enter in consensual sex. Even this fundamental right is deprived to Indian youth in India. It is not the quality of education, I feel, that pushes Indians to the west, but the opportunities there of all sorts.
1.It is deplorable, no doubt, but one cannot accuse Australia per se, as being racist. They have been generously offering opportunities to India, whether that benefits them or not is another question, nevertheless they have really been very generous in offering Indians and people from Asians to come into their country and work there and study there. India, is never such generous. If it were in India, there would have been mass outcry to stop giving visas to foriegners and some political party or other will pretend to be patriots to throw the foriegners out and make cheap mileage out of it.
2. In India too, human right violations and violences are plenty.. not a few incidences or even hundreds, people are killed in thousands in riots and racial hatred. I am and engineer from South India (Kerala), had my education in Delhi and Ahmedabad, and I had so many occassions of humiliations by North Indians. On my first day of admission to Delhi College of Engineering, Delhi a father of a Himachal Pradesh student asked my father contemptuously whether there were no engineering colleges in the south and why I came there. And throughout my North Indian life I have seen south indian\\\'s being called \\\'madrasis\\\', demeaned contemptuously, and i remember that I was considered a second class citizen, by a large number of north indians, who do not respect south indians. I had even thought out of frustration, that it was better to be under British than under North Indians.
3. Why do Indian students go to Australia to study even now? We have so many professional colleges here. They go mostly to enjoy the free life of western world. One freedom I mention here is, of course, the one recently conferred on Delhi High Court right of adult citizens to enter in consensual sex. Even this fundamental right is deprived to Indian youth in India. It is not the quality of education, I feel, that pushes Indians to the west, but the opportunities there of all sorts.
Sreekumar replied to: Graham Simmons
post - 03 Jul, 2009
post - 03 Jul, 2009
20: Very true Sheekumar, many students and many
others also rush out to break out of the
hypocracy and mad social rules in India. Like
a indian friend who studied in sydney and
even became the president of his student
body, says---
"In India its okay to piss on the street but not okay to kiss on the street" -- so basically we are okay if one guy creates a nuisance that lasts for over a day in its effect, we are still very victorian (?) about the whole sex thing.
I guess the freedom at time of khajuraho was lost somewhere during the muslim and bristish rules...
"In India its okay to piss on the street but not okay to kiss on the street" -- so basically we are okay if one guy creates a nuisance that lasts for over a day in its effect, we are still very victorian (?) about the whole sex thing.
I guess the freedom at time of khajuraho was lost somewhere during the muslim and bristish rules...
Upendra replied to: Sreekumar
post - 03 Jul, 2009
post - 03 Jul, 2009
21: Forget Australia - the educational system is
a joke. Those who can't get into Canadian and
US universities go there to get a degree.
Don't waste your time - just come to Canada and get your education for a lot less and be safe.
Don't waste your time - just come to Canada and get your education for a lot less and be safe.
Posted by: Samule Jacobs - 02 Jul, 2009
22:I appreciate your welcome note- but tell me -
why would Canada be a more preferred
destination than australia for a people
already used to living in hot and dry climate
?
Upendra replied to: Samule Jacobs
post - 03 Jul, 2009
post - 03 Jul, 2009
23: It is the responsibility of the Indian
Embassy (ha ha) in Australia to have some
idea of where Indian citizens in Australia
are, and at least know if they are alive. The
first required step is to fire the Ambassador
and all Consuls and get competent ones. Look
at the contrast between the way Indian
embassies and Consulates treat their
citizens, and the way in which, say,
Australia or UK or US or France care about
how their citizens are treated. It is utterly
unacceptable that students who are in their
teens or twenties are left totally to fend
for themselves with absolutely no concern by
the Embassies and Consulates. The information
is definitely available to these lazy
incompetents, they are just too lazy,
incompetent and arrogant to care. Fire them
first, then we can see how to improve the
situation.
Posted by: markadam - 02 Jul, 2009
24: First of all the Indian government should be
blamed of for not taking these issues
seriously.We hear a lot of news happening and
happened in Australia only after the case of
Baljinder and others stabbed.Indains should
never prefer Australia as their study
destination hereafter, then only they know
the value of us.India has got many elite
institutions and moreover Indian standard of
education is appreciated worldwide.Why people
go for Australia,when we have everything
here??The real fact is that competition is
high in India,that's why people go for other
countries.
Posted by: vijay regunathan chandrasekaran - 02 Jul, 2009
25:Because there is no reservation in other
countries.
rohit replied to: vijay regunathan chandrasekaran
post - 02 Jul, 2009
post - 02 Jul, 2009
27: Indian Student community needs to take heed
from this. If the number of the applicants
seeking admissions reduces significantly,
then the Aus authorities will pay attention
as hits their pocket straight away. Also,
Indian education ministry should seriously
think of reservation in Indian education
system. Where would the cream go? Even after
securing high marks, they cannot get seats in
Indian institutes because more than half of
the seats are "reserved" for backward
classes. If they went abroad to study, they
would be victims of these attacks. Is it a
crime to be a bright boy with thirst for
knowledge?
Regards,
Prash
Regards,
Prash
Posted by: Prashanth - 02 Jul, 2009
28:Very true. What is the use of blaming others?
If opportunities and quality of life were
available in India, people will not risk
themselves like this. Even when you go
abroad, Indians are ready to exploit other
Indians or they fall victim to such attacks.
With inflation at 11% in India its almost as
if everyone needs to go abroad for atleast
some time.
Kalyan replied to: Prashanth
post - 02 Jul, 2009
post - 02 Jul, 2009
29: It is true Indians settled abroad are most of
the time ones who allow exploitation of
Indians who are there to work or study. They
do this in the form of H1B in US. The system
abroad is made to protect individuals but
somehow they get to know the loop holes and
take advantage. This happens from big
companies to small start ups. But not getting
the exposure or not working abroad or not
studying abroad is not the solution. Building
strong ethics could be far fetched for people
who are already set in their mind by now but
protecting oneself by either setting a time
frame and knowing the system before working
in another country could help. Educating
employees or students who travel abroad could
be a step the Indian government can take if
an effort is dispensed. We are moving towards
open borders not limiting and drawing lines
to close options.
Ann replied to: Kalyan
post - 02 Jul, 2009
post - 02 Jul, 2009
30: This is shame for the country, with the
attacks going on, the irresponsible behavior
of the government had already dented the
image of the country, and now with the
officials faking the information, this is
really shameful.
Posted by: Rohan - 02 Jul, 2009
31:When the people of a nation do not value
human life in their own country, this is what
happens when they go outside of their
country.
Why is it that we know immediately about even the smallest attacks on foreigners who come to India?
Thats because their govt has to care about their citizens, and citizens will make the govt take action, its not a five year "vote and forget" plan elsewhere.
The shameless embassy officials may not even be aware of this thing and even if they are- they dont have the balls to do anything.
Can you go back and read what our High Commissioner said after the racial attacks in Australia?"We have to learn to live in the rules of the land ... " This is just like the statement of strength when MMS says "We dont fear talking to pakistan..."
Why is it that we know immediately about even the smallest attacks on foreigners who come to India?
Thats because their govt has to care about their citizens, and citizens will make the govt take action, its not a five year "vote and forget" plan elsewhere.
The shameless embassy officials may not even be aware of this thing and even if they are- they dont have the balls to do anything.
Can you go back and read what our High Commissioner said after the racial attacks in Australia?"We have to learn to live in the rules of the land ... " This is just like the statement of strength when MMS says "We dont fear talking to pakistan..."
Upendra replied to: Rohan
post - 03 Jul, 2009
post - 03 Jul, 2009
32:Aussie's should be ashamed... that rogue govt
just recruit students from outside which
benefits their education income and thus
there will be a good financial flow towards
the country.... Being mean, they just want to
fill their pocket....First of all when the
Rascal Aussies who murder innocent victims
out of racialism should be given severe
punishment like some countries does, which is
death for death, and so on.. These aussies
should understand that they are not capable
of learning, so the govt has to take students
from outside. What a shame on you, you young
AUSSIE's ... Try to learn how to live your
life given by GOd... and not to distroy other
life which God had given.....
Thud replied to: Rohan
post - 02 Jul, 2009
post - 02 Jul, 2009
33: This could be a hot little debate. I am
Australian and I think that the Indian govt
is a rogue govt too, just recruiting tourists
from round the world benefitting your income.
India is mean - they discriminate with
foreign price for everything not Indian price
and rip people off as soon as they get off
the plane. Then you book into a hotel and you
are dead in two days time or raped for no
reason - very natural death or rape of course
- and then our relatives are cremated without
cause of death. The Indian police didn't even
wait for me to get to India when my husband
was murdered because they did it and
concealed it.Police laugh at you when you
come to find out what happened to your
relative when you travel all the way from
Australia with 3 children and that's it!You
have to get back on the plane to Australia.
How dare Indian people here comment without
finding out what happens to Australians in
India and all the other tourists and their
families. I counted 80 tourists died
suspiciously still waiting to hear from
police in India. Your police are all corrupt
in India and Australia has a few who still do
their job and service the dead Indians and
their families and at least give them
respect. Now that throws some sh*t on the fan
doesn't it?
Anthia replied to: Thud
post - 02 Jul, 2009
post - 02 Jul, 2009
34: I am in Texas,America. I have a similar own
experience. In here Brian Sean Gill, my
husband is manually vanished after Cynthia
Silva, a south Indian labor/clerk kind of
illegally entered GC of Soth Ca' sexual hunt
and pusuit. The related local cops gave her
the support to do her extremity on my marrige
and life. They kept me moneyless and
continued with this abolishment excercise on
challenging them, as required with the real
situation. Though I am an engineer, from
I.I.T. and is legally immigrant, was happily
married otherwise, still so far I could not
get any money help from locals to make it to
count.
youTube/goalbetween07
youTube/goalbetween07
JAyasri Talapatra Gill replied to: Thud
post - 02 Jul, 2009
post - 02 Jul, 2009
35: You married an idiot and your English is
deplorable - how did you pass any of the IIT
required English classes to graduate?
Putting that aside, get a divorce and find good man....
Putting that aside, get a divorce and find good man....
Far Side replied to: JAyasri Talapatra Gill
post - 02 Jul, 2009
post - 02 Jul, 2009
37: What did you expect from australia, where it
was made up of prisoners and rejects from the
British empire. First they nationalized and
converted the locals and call themselves
civilized.
pranlal replied to: JAyasri Talapatra Gill
post - 02 Jul, 2009
post - 02 Jul, 2009
38: Hello Good morning, a wake up call
We were also prisoners of the Britis if you forget history- the difference is that we are a nation of wimps and Aus is a nation of anything else but NOT WIMPS.
Most Indian students go to Australia because of the beaches :) , can you imagine a beach in India where Indian girls are wearing bikinis and Indian guys are pretty aloof about it ?
Is the embassy making it mandatory to every student to undergo a cultural indoctrination ? like dont stare at girls like you do in India? Don't throw garbage everywhere? Dont spit of the streets, dont piss on the streets etc ?
Even in US we see desis leaving their garbage in nice heaps just outside the garbage disposal doors-also I hail from Mumbai- the national money machine and national garbage dump for India so I can understand, given the freedom, what mess we are capable of producing.
We were also prisoners of the Britis if you forget history- the difference is that we are a nation of wimps and Aus is a nation of anything else but NOT WIMPS.
Most Indian students go to Australia because of the beaches :) , can you imagine a beach in India where Indian girls are wearing bikinis and Indian guys are pretty aloof about it ?
Is the embassy making it mandatory to every student to undergo a cultural indoctrination ? like dont stare at girls like you do in India? Don't throw garbage everywhere? Dont spit of the streets, dont piss on the streets etc ?
Even in US we see desis leaving their garbage in nice heaps just outside the garbage disposal doors-also I hail from Mumbai- the national money machine and national garbage dump for India so I can understand, given the freedom, what mess we are capable of producing.
Upendra replied to: pranlal
post - 03 Jul, 2009
post - 03 Jul, 2009
39:so you're a WIMP eh!what kind of logic do you
even use in your life?YOu even know about the
"fly-tipping" problems in england??,they
spend about 150 million pounds a year dealing
with the problem,so according to you all of
england are wimps who can't dump their
garbage properly!!You are free to refer
yourself as anything but don't go judging
others!!:(
aaseesh sai marina replied to: Upendra
post - 06 Jul, 2009
post - 06 Jul, 2009
40:Well Upendra thank you for your insight on
the whole issue, but there are a lot of loop
holes in your side of the analysis, where in
you very conveniently have described your
"nation of wimps". Well just in case you
forgot, India is a nation of 1 Billion plus
citizens, so there is a marked difference in
population than any other country
particularly Australia which has far more
land than us but much lesser citizens. Now
being the logical jerk that you are,kindly
open your mind and think- isnt it more
difficult to govern a diverse nation like
India with such huge population or in your
case Australia which according to you is not
a country of wimps, technologically more
advanced blah blah blah and that they care (
joke).
I do not agree on a point wherein you have said that most Indian Students go to Australia because of beaches. How naive this reasoning can be? Now that you are from Mumbai, which has its own stinking beaches, tell me you see a lot of influx of people in Mumbai is the primary reason your Juhu Beach? or maybe a dumbhead would understand that this is because they are looking for better opportunities.
Amidst all the money spent, all the hardship undergone in getting visa, all the humiliation gone through because you are from "Thirld World".. dont you think even these Indians have the right to live and have some fun or maybe you still have the racist notion that its the birth right of a white to indulge in all activities and not some brown/black skinned guy who has come to this alien island with some dreams.
About Indians being perverts, trust me when I say that I have seen a lot many guys from different countries including Australia being sexists and not only Indians. Maybe you call them perverts because they are not too open about their sexuality ( because of the upbringing,social restrictions and the dillema whether we are more Broad minded than we actually think ) instead they are more of the voyuers or the sweet talkers when in a foreing land but tell me which man in this world would not try to go for a one night stand including Indians unless you participated in the July 2nd rally. I see it as a case of strong libido, which my friend mostly a lot of men possess.
This in no way makes RAPE acceptable as it could be the worst crime committed but what is wrong in trying some harmless flirting?
Now my view point is that yes it is very important that one should respect the culture and values/system of a country where one is residing. It is important that one should follow the rules and regulations of a country but it is equally important for the country to provide the same facilities, same enviornment for the individual because its not charity ,they are raking in moolah, plus, they are getting a readied workforce .
My friend it is very easy to criticise, but very difficult to implement, rather than giving your views everytime and deploring your own countrymen try to reach out a few and try changing the Image.
I do not agree on a point wherein you have said that most Indian Students go to Australia because of beaches. How naive this reasoning can be? Now that you are from Mumbai, which has its own stinking beaches, tell me you see a lot of influx of people in Mumbai is the primary reason your Juhu Beach? or maybe a dumbhead would understand that this is because they are looking for better opportunities.
Amidst all the money spent, all the hardship undergone in getting visa, all the humiliation gone through because you are from "Thirld World".. dont you think even these Indians have the right to live and have some fun or maybe you still have the racist notion that its the birth right of a white to indulge in all activities and not some brown/black skinned guy who has come to this alien island with some dreams.
About Indians being perverts, trust me when I say that I have seen a lot many guys from different countries including Australia being sexists and not only Indians. Maybe you call them perverts because they are not too open about their sexuality ( because of the upbringing,social restrictions and the dillema whether we are more Broad minded than we actually think ) instead they are more of the voyuers or the sweet talkers when in a foreing land but tell me which man in this world would not try to go for a one night stand including Indians unless you participated in the July 2nd rally. I see it as a case of strong libido, which my friend mostly a lot of men possess.
This in no way makes RAPE acceptable as it could be the worst crime committed but what is wrong in trying some harmless flirting?
Now my view point is that yes it is very important that one should respect the culture and values/system of a country where one is residing. It is important that one should follow the rules and regulations of a country but it is equally important for the country to provide the same facilities, same enviornment for the individual because its not charity ,they are raking in moolah, plus, they are getting a readied workforce .
My friend it is very easy to criticise, but very difficult to implement, rather than giving your views everytime and deploring your own countrymen try to reach out a few and try changing the Image.
Ankur Sharma replied to: Upendra
post - 05 Jul, 2009
post - 05 Jul, 2009
41:two words for everyone in this discussion-
new zealand.
i'm indian and i've been here for three years. nothing but good things to say about it.
i'm indian and i've been here for three years. nothing but good things to say about it.
ashwin replied to: Upendra
post - 04 Jul, 2009
post - 04 Jul, 2009
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