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Australian coroners fake info on Indian deaths
By SiliconIndia | Thursday, 02 July 2009, 01:49 Hrs |
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The report published, claims the toll to be much higher than what the federal government had admitted. The State and Territory Officials, under the National Coroners Information System (NCIS), moreover, have refused to comply with an application submitted by the daily, which inquired about the data on deaths of overseas students in the year ended November 2008, the paper said. A spokeswoman for Victorian Coroner, Jennifer Coate said "The information would not be made public because it was not exhaustive. The nationality and occupation of someone who has died is not required to be automatically recorded." The refusal came after the NCIS's previous indications of making the information available, the report said.
On questioning in the Parliament, the government said that in February 51 overseas students died in that year, with 34 dying of "unknown" causes. Fourteen cases were cited as accidents and three as death from illness. But, an investigation by The Age has established that the death toll is around 54 which is higher than 51 with mostly Indians, Korean and Chinese. Nearly half were Indians, holding one-fifth of the total student visas at that time, the report said. Opposition Immigration spokeswoman Sharman Stone informed that she sought the data in February because foreign-student organizations suspected under-reporting of deaths. "Citing 34 deaths as unknown is an extraordinary statistic," she said.
The government figures did not display suicide cases. Commenting on the issue, Chris Nyland, an expert on International Education, Monash University, said "There is a need for a federal advisory body on student safety. Mandatory statistical reporting of international students' deaths must also be done. If an overseas student dies in Australia, the education provider is not required to give a the cause of death when it reports the matter to the Department of Education, Employment and Workplace Relations, in present situations.
Witnessing the uncontrollable situation, External Affairs Minister of India, S M Krishna, is planning to visit Australia to address the situation.
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according to ur news few universities are offering at lowest rate of but, still there is no protection for life Citing 34 deaths as unknown is an extraordinary statistic this sentence doesn't make any sense
Posted by:jack
- 06 Jul, 2009
2:
Before you start talkin too much about racism in Australia,just take a moment to think about our own country (India).Dont you agree that there is racism in India in the basis of skin clour and the place a person coming from?Why many people in the north of India think that they are better than those from South?I dont know if those kinda discrmination (obviously that is racial) still exists in India,but if it does we cant complain too much.
In my opinion...especially those I have seen in Australia when I was there, seem like they dont care or respect the people in their host country.Playing lound music through their mobile phone in a train filled with passengers and talking loudly in the class rooms while the lecturer is teaching is not fair at all.But I am not trying say that because of these things,students from India have to get injured by the gangsters or teenage group.I know its hard to adopt other country's culture and it's custom in a full swing but you can always try no to get diliked by the people from that country.How would you feel if people from another country come to a hindu town in India and cook beef on the streets?
Before you start talkin too much about racism in Australia,just take a moment to think about our own country (India).Dont you agree that there is racism in India in the basis of skin clour and the place a person coming from?Why many people in the north of India think that they are better than those from South?I dont know if those kinda discrmination (obviously that is racial) still exists in India,but if it does we cant complain too much.
In my opinion...especially those I have seen in Australia when I was there, seem like they dont care or respect the people in their host country.Playing lound music through their mobile phone in a train filled with passengers and talking loudly in the class rooms while the lecturer is teaching is not fair at all.But I am not trying say that because of these things,students from India have to get injured by the gangsters or teenage group.I know its hard to adopt other country's culture and it's custom in a full swing but you can always try no to get diliked by the people from that country.How would you feel if people from another country come to a hindu town in India and cook beef on the streets?
Posted by:Jay
- 04 Jul, 2009
3:
Jay,
I am not sure your experience in India...... But I have been to almost every part of India as part of Business Trip (Except Far East). I never felt any racism (may be compitition) till now!
However this article says that Australian goverment's FAKE FACE !
I am not sure your experience in India...... But I have been to almost every part of India as part of Business Trip (Except Far East). I never felt any racism (may be compitition) till now!
However this article says that Australian goverment's FAKE FACE !
Npatel Replied to: Jay
- 06 Jul, 2009
4:
If i have my history right, it was criminals from the British Iles who were shipped to Australia in the 19th Century. They were used as labourers along with the locals. So you cannot really expect better from a nation that has emerged from criminal genes.
Posted by:B Srinivas
- 04 Jul, 2009
5:
Beg to differ Srinivas...It's like saying if your one of your ancestors was a thief, you're one too...while I do not disagree with the historical aspect of Australia, I surely would like to inform you that what you're making will amount to a racist comment, which is not warranted, and absolutely unacceptable.
Karthik Krishnan Replied to: B Srinivas
- 04 Jul, 2009
6:
Honestly, I think the whole idea of Indians being perverse and behaving badly with the womenfolk is rubbish. Considering people who\'ve commented here have taken viewpoints from a chat they had with a Finn friend or a French, let me tell you. I have little over 165 friends who are overseas, either studying, or working, 15 of them, down under, and a majority in the US.
1. I would really like to see one of the accused in the recent case of Thirthala Shravan, trying to defend themselves in the courts, stating Indians were perverts and that they misbehaved with the local women...it would be fun to watch them try it.
2. You should realise that the news item states that the victims are predominantly of Indian, Chinese and Korean origin (paragraph-3, line 3). So I guess even Chinese and Koreans are perverts and your friends in Finland \"abhor\" them too...perhaps...perhaps the whole world just hates Indians, Chinese and Koreans, because it so happens that they are the ones who get killed each time, and interestingly for their mobile phones, cash and sickeningly, the alcohol they possess. But I guess the fault lies with not just the Indians, but also the Chinese and the Koreans who were killed or attacked. Fair enough.
3. One must also realise that the news article states that the deaths were under-reported and that in most cases the deaths were stated as of \"unknown\" causes, and that suicide cases were not reported. But that too I guess is because Chinese, Indians and Koreans misbehave with womenfolk wherever they go and are hated for it. That is perhaps the reason why the coroners have under reported deaths and have not stated the causes of death very clearly. Fair enough.
4. One must also read the article...because this article doesn\'t seem to be about \"what caused the deaths\" but the fact that the deaths were not reported accurately, and that there was no clarity on the causes of death in most cases. But I guess \"Brutus is an honorable man\"...so the journalist must have made some mistake in titling the article, since it should have been, \"Why Indians are hated all around the world\"...oh sorry! I stand corrected there...the title should have actually been \"Why the Chinese, Koreans and Indians are hated all around the world\"...but that doesn\'t seem to do justice does it...so lets change the title of the article to \"Indians misbehave with women all around the world\". But strangely, I don\'t see such a title to this news item. But fair enough.
5. The matter seemed to be given importance in the Aussie Parliament. But I guess they\'re a bunch of ignorant folks who don\'t know the real reason...which is the fact that Indians misbehave with women...oh sorry Chinese, Koreans and Indians all misbehave with women. Fair enough.
6. I have not read about students of Indian origin, or Chinese or Korean, being attacked at their homes or on the streets...oh I think i\'ve made a mistake all over again. I hope you\'ll forgive me Gargi and Graham Simmons, and especially Markadam. I\'m sorry once again...what I was trying to say is that the Indian Embassy and Consulate (although it would be a High Commission since Australia and India are both Commonwealth nations...we learnt that in class-5, but we\'ll ignore this ignorance and move on). Where was I, Ah!, The Indian Embassy and Consulate should be aware of the whereabouts, and the health of its citizens in another country. Yeah right. They should put a police force and a bunch of private detectives to keep tabs on them, while the Aussie police eat donuts and the government smokes their peace pipe and chills out with a beer is it? The police and the government certainly don\'t seem to think so but perhaps, because of the way Indians misbehave with women, it should be the case. Fair enough.
7. An honest question. Are you guys literate? Can you read? Did you even bother about what you are talking about? There are people lying in hospitals comatose, and there are others dead. These are humans we are talking about. The Australian Davis Cup team was very quick to forfeit its matches with India, even at the cost of a penalty from the ITF, siting security concerns, even when there were none. You guys are so paranoid about the safety of your citizens on other countries\' soil...but you site reasons like \"It\'s because of the way Indians \'misbehave\' with women, that they get attacked, even if the case is that they\'re being mugged?\" But I guess it\'s all a part of the Vicious Circle that started with Indians, and Chinese, and Koreans all misbehaving with women, that they get mugged, they are victims of armed robbery, they get killed. Fair enough.
Mr SM Krishna, I suggest you think about it (at least for academic interests). You probably want to stop allowing Indian students to take courses in Australia, since the Aussies, who are very comprehensively represented in this discussion, expect the Indian Embassy to protect the Indian student, and make sure he/she is alive. They also admit that they would definitely continue attacking them for the way \"Indians, Chinese and Koreans misbehave with women\".
Mr. SM Krishna, I for one don\'t see why the $15.5 billion education industry in Australia should thrive at the cost of Indian blood being spilled for \"misbehaviour with women\"
1. I would really like to see one of the accused in the recent case of Thirthala Shravan, trying to defend themselves in the courts, stating Indians were perverts and that they misbehaved with the local women...it would be fun to watch them try it.
2. You should realise that the news item states that the victims are predominantly of Indian, Chinese and Korean origin (paragraph-3, line 3). So I guess even Chinese and Koreans are perverts and your friends in Finland \"abhor\" them too...perhaps...perhaps the whole world just hates Indians, Chinese and Koreans, because it so happens that they are the ones who get killed each time, and interestingly for their mobile phones, cash and sickeningly, the alcohol they possess. But I guess the fault lies with not just the Indians, but also the Chinese and the Koreans who were killed or attacked. Fair enough.
3. One must also realise that the news article states that the deaths were under-reported and that in most cases the deaths were stated as of \"unknown\" causes, and that suicide cases were not reported. But that too I guess is because Chinese, Indians and Koreans misbehave with womenfolk wherever they go and are hated for it. That is perhaps the reason why the coroners have under reported deaths and have not stated the causes of death very clearly. Fair enough.
4. One must also read the article...because this article doesn\'t seem to be about \"what caused the deaths\" but the fact that the deaths were not reported accurately, and that there was no clarity on the causes of death in most cases. But I guess \"Brutus is an honorable man\"...so the journalist must have made some mistake in titling the article, since it should have been, \"Why Indians are hated all around the world\"...oh sorry! I stand corrected there...the title should have actually been \"Why the Chinese, Koreans and Indians are hated all around the world\"...but that doesn\'t seem to do justice does it...so lets change the title of the article to \"Indians misbehave with women all around the world\". But strangely, I don\'t see such a title to this news item. But fair enough.
5. The matter seemed to be given importance in the Aussie Parliament. But I guess they\'re a bunch of ignorant folks who don\'t know the real reason...which is the fact that Indians misbehave with women...oh sorry Chinese, Koreans and Indians all misbehave with women. Fair enough.
6. I have not read about students of Indian origin, or Chinese or Korean, being attacked at their homes or on the streets...oh I think i\'ve made a mistake all over again. I hope you\'ll forgive me Gargi and Graham Simmons, and especially Markadam. I\'m sorry once again...what I was trying to say is that the Indian Embassy and Consulate (although it would be a High Commission since Australia and India are both Commonwealth nations...we learnt that in class-5, but we\'ll ignore this ignorance and move on). Where was I, Ah!, The Indian Embassy and Consulate should be aware of the whereabouts, and the health of its citizens in another country. Yeah right. They should put a police force and a bunch of private detectives to keep tabs on them, while the Aussie police eat donuts and the government smokes their peace pipe and chills out with a beer is it? The police and the government certainly don\'t seem to think so but perhaps, because of the way Indians misbehave with women, it should be the case. Fair enough.
7. An honest question. Are you guys literate? Can you read? Did you even bother about what you are talking about? There are people lying in hospitals comatose, and there are others dead. These are humans we are talking about. The Australian Davis Cup team was very quick to forfeit its matches with India, even at the cost of a penalty from the ITF, siting security concerns, even when there were none. You guys are so paranoid about the safety of your citizens on other countries\' soil...but you site reasons like \"It\'s because of the way Indians \'misbehave\' with women, that they get attacked, even if the case is that they\'re being mugged?\" But I guess it\'s all a part of the Vicious Circle that started with Indians, and Chinese, and Koreans all misbehaving with women, that they get mugged, they are victims of armed robbery, they get killed. Fair enough.
Mr SM Krishna, I suggest you think about it (at least for academic interests). You probably want to stop allowing Indian students to take courses in Australia, since the Aussies, who are very comprehensively represented in this discussion, expect the Indian Embassy to protect the Indian student, and make sure he/she is alive. They also admit that they would definitely continue attacking them for the way \"Indians, Chinese and Koreans misbehave with women\".
Mr. SM Krishna, I for one don\'t see why the $15.5 billion education industry in Australia should thrive at the cost of Indian blood being spilled for \"misbehaviour with women\"
Posted by:G Karthik Krishnan
- 03 Jul, 2009
7:
indians are rogues or not, there is no diference,they too are humans, they work to survive.
india is clean or dirty, again there is no difference, they earn to live and die.
india is clean or dirty, again there is no difference, they earn to live and die.
Posted by:duncan
- 03 Jul, 2009
9:
As an Aussie, I can tell you that the major cause of resentment towards Indian students is their attitude towards Australian women. This is due in many cases to appalling ignorance, which I have also seen on many occasions while in India. As long as a male Indian student is safe in the knowledge that there is an arranged wife waiting for him back home, he has no incentive to try to get to know local girls, learn to like them and begin to appreciate their qualities.
Posted by:Graham Simmons
- 03 Jul, 2009
10:
hey Graham,
I totaly agree with u being a gal I kno the levels of eveteasing in India, and I kno the way Indian Pervert guys behave in other countries, that has made them least loved among all the nations they have migrated.
but killing and injuring lone, hapless and weaponless Indian students doesnt seem to be much of an solution. atleast when Austrlia's Education industry is so dependant on Indians.
I totaly agree with u being a gal I kno the levels of eveteasing in India, and I kno the way Indian Pervert guys behave in other countries, that has made them least loved among all the nations they have migrated.
but killing and injuring lone, hapless and weaponless Indian students doesnt seem to be much of an solution. atleast when Austrlia's Education industry is so dependant on Indians.
Gargi Replied to: Graham Simmons
- 03 Jul, 2009
11:
Mr. Graham, indians are known for thier greate culture. they respect women like a god in our country. dnt mention these kind of comments again...
Bheemaraj Gaddad Replied to: Graham Simmons
- 03 Jul, 2009
12:
culture my a*s, i'm an indian and i know about our culture.. you must be referring to our long lost tradition that has been convoluted by atleast half the population into something that reviles the whole world.... so saying that we treat them like gods is an exaggeration by a long mile... even then i would say india treats its women better than a lot of the developed countries.... and for australia to be commenting on how we treat our women is like clinton preaching abstenance... our country is led by woman even though the titular head is a man, and your country has not even come close to a woman head of the nation, even though you have the queen as a symbolic head. I think that alone speaks volumes about how much importance is accorded....
Priyank Replied to: Bheemaraj Gaddad
- 05 Jul, 2009
13:
Hi Mr Bheemaraj,
You've hit the nail right on the head. Indians do treat women like gods - but Aussie women aren't gods! Instead of expecting all Aussie girls to be godlike, Indian students need to show a little more cool, understanding and French-style joie-de-vivre. As Upendra says, both India and Australia suffered from British rule - and whereas in both countries Victorian attitudes still live on, in Australia this is now much less so.
You've hit the nail right on the head. Indians do treat women like gods - but Aussie women aren't gods! Instead of expecting all Aussie girls to be godlike, Indian students need to show a little more cool, understanding and French-style joie-de-vivre. As Upendra says, both India and Australia suffered from British rule - and whereas in both countries Victorian attitudes still live on, in Australia this is now much less so.
Graham Simmons Replied to: Bheemaraj Gaddad
- 04 Jul, 2009
14:
well, Graham, I missed your point however...pardon me but I really do not understand French. Joie-de-vivre?
Irrespective of what it might mean, read my post in reply to all of your comments...that should put things into perspective for you...since I see pretty clear, that you don't have a clear one.
Irrespective of what it might mean, read my post in reply to all of your comments...that should put things into perspective for you...since I see pretty clear, that you don't have a clear one.
Karthik Krishnan Replied to: Graham Simmons
- 04 Jul, 2009
15:
Mr Graham, I don't know how u came to conclude this kind Argument, Nearly More than 3 Lack students from India are moving higher studies to different countries in the World. I did't See this kind of the Situation other than in World except Australia, I am sorry to say that is Australian Girls are such Hot than the Indian Girls , If the Indian Boys are such an Attitude persons no Aussie woman with you they might have flew with Indian boys.
Sandeep Replied to: Graham Simmons
- 03 Jul, 2009
16:
well Sandip,
To be true! In most countries they hate Indian students for the same reason.
I was yday chatting with my fren from Finland, and she told me the same thing. she hates Indian coz their attitude towards local woman is abhoring. they behave loke some perverts who has never seen a woman, and treat every girl as 1 night stand.
b4 blaming others we shd kno the shortcomings in us tooo. dont close your eyes to them
To be true! In most countries they hate Indian students for the same reason.
I was yday chatting with my fren from Finland, and she told me the same thing. she hates Indian coz their attitude towards local woman is abhoring. they behave loke some perverts who has never seen a woman, and treat every girl as 1 night stand.
b4 blaming others we shd kno the shortcomings in us tooo. dont close your eyes to them
Gargi Replied to: Sandeep
- 03 Jul, 2009
17:
true .. a lot of indian males abroad are quite revolting in their outlook towards the fairer sex, but generalising it is not called for... thats like saying every foreigner entering india is a corrupting capitalist out to make a quick buck by wringing the wealth out of india....they are not... moreover why are indian males being singled out in this respect, in the context that you have pointed out, italian or even brazillian males (of the ones i\'ve come across) have far outfaired indian males, not to mention a whole lot of other demographies... but you women seem to enjoy the attention since you are not speaking about them, cos if you were you\'d probably hate most men from any country.... moreover remember the 1 night stand itself is not an Indian concept to begin with...
Priyank Replied to: Gargi
- 05 Jul, 2009
18:
Ah Gargi,
So you and your Finn friend put together are an authority on Indian psychology and behavioural pattern is it?
Beg to differ. Your comment is not just a conceited racist one, but also of someone who knows nothing and doesn't even have a mind open enough to accept information or knowledge.
So you and your Finn friend put together are an authority on Indian psychology and behavioural pattern is it?
Beg to differ. Your comment is not just a conceited racist one, but also of someone who knows nothing and doesn't even have a mind open enough to accept information or knowledge.
Karthik Krishnan Replied to: Gargi
- 04 Jul, 2009
19:
I have two viewpoints on attack against Indian students:
1.It is deplorable, no doubt, but one cannot accuse Australia per se, as being racist. They have been generously offering opportunities to India, whether that benefits them or not is another question, nevertheless they have really been very generous in offering Indians and people from Asians to come into their country and work there and study there. India, is never such generous. If it were in India, there would have been mass outcry to stop giving visas to foriegners and some political party or other will pretend to be patriots to throw the foriegners out and make cheap mileage out of it.
2. In India too, human right violations and violences are plenty.. not a few incidences or even hundreds, people are killed in thousands in riots and racial hatred. I am and engineer from South India (Kerala), had my education in Delhi and Ahmedabad, and I had so many occassions of humiliations by North Indians. On my first day of admission to Delhi College of Engineering, Delhi a father of a Himachal Pradesh student asked my father contemptuously whether there were no engineering colleges in the south and why I came there. And throughout my North Indian life I have seen south indian\\\'s being called \\\'madrasis\\\', demeaned contemptuously, and i remember that I was considered a second class citizen, by a large number of north indians, who do not respect south indians. I had even thought out of frustration, that it was better to be under British than under North Indians.
3. Why do Indian students go to Australia to study even now? We have so many professional colleges here. They go mostly to enjoy the free life of western world. One freedom I mention here is, of course, the one recently conferred on Delhi High Court right of adult citizens to enter in consensual sex. Even this fundamental right is deprived to Indian youth in India. It is not the quality of education, I feel, that pushes Indians to the west, but the opportunities there of all sorts.
1.It is deplorable, no doubt, but one cannot accuse Australia per se, as being racist. They have been generously offering opportunities to India, whether that benefits them or not is another question, nevertheless they have really been very generous in offering Indians and people from Asians to come into their country and work there and study there. India, is never such generous. If it were in India, there would have been mass outcry to stop giving visas to foriegners and some political party or other will pretend to be patriots to throw the foriegners out and make cheap mileage out of it.
2. In India too, human right violations and violences are plenty.. not a few incidences or even hundreds, people are killed in thousands in riots and racial hatred. I am and engineer from South India (Kerala), had my education in Delhi and Ahmedabad, and I had so many occassions of humiliations by North Indians. On my first day of admission to Delhi College of Engineering, Delhi a father of a Himachal Pradesh student asked my father contemptuously whether there were no engineering colleges in the south and why I came there. And throughout my North Indian life I have seen south indian\\\'s being called \\\'madrasis\\\', demeaned contemptuously, and i remember that I was considered a second class citizen, by a large number of north indians, who do not respect south indians. I had even thought out of frustration, that it was better to be under British than under North Indians.
3. Why do Indian students go to Australia to study even now? We have so many professional colleges here. They go mostly to enjoy the free life of western world. One freedom I mention here is, of course, the one recently conferred on Delhi High Court right of adult citizens to enter in consensual sex. Even this fundamental right is deprived to Indian youth in India. It is not the quality of education, I feel, that pushes Indians to the west, but the opportunities there of all sorts.
Sreekumar Replied to: Graham Simmons
- 03 Jul, 2009
20:
Very true Sheekumar, many students and many others also rush out to break out of the hypocracy and mad social rules in India. Like a indian friend who studied in sydney and even became the president of his student body, says---
"In India its okay to piss on the street but not okay to kiss on the street" -- so basically we are okay if one guy creates a nuisance that lasts for over a day in its effect, we are still very victorian (?) about the whole sex thing.
I guess the freedom at time of khajuraho was lost somewhere during the muslim and bristish rules...
"In India its okay to piss on the street but not okay to kiss on the street" -- so basically we are okay if one guy creates a nuisance that lasts for over a day in its effect, we are still very victorian (?) about the whole sex thing.
I guess the freedom at time of khajuraho was lost somewhere during the muslim and bristish rules...
Upendra Replied to: Sreekumar
- 03 Jul, 2009
21:
Forget Australia - the educational system is a joke. Those who can't get into Canadian and US universities go there to get a degree.
Don't waste your time - just come to Canada and get your education for a lot less and be safe.
Don't waste your time - just come to Canada and get your education for a lot less and be safe.
Posted by:Samule Jacobs
- 02 Jul, 2009
22:
I appreciate your welcome note- but tell me - why would Canada be a more preferred destination than australia for a people already used to living in hot and dry climate ?
Upendra Replied to: Samule Jacobs
- 03 Jul, 2009
23:
It is the responsibility of the Indian Embassy (ha ha) in Australia to have some idea of where Indian citizens in Australia are, and at least know if they are alive. The first required step is to fire the Ambassador and all Consuls and get competent ones. Look at the contrast between the way Indian embassies and Consulates treat their citizens, and the way in which, say, Australia or UK or US or France care about how their citizens are treated. It is utterly unacceptable that students who are in their teens or twenties are left totally to fend for themselves with absolutely no concern by the Embassies and Consulates. The information is definitely available to these lazy incompetents, they are just too lazy, incompetent and arrogant to care. Fire them first, then we can see how to improve the situation.
Posted by:markadam
- 02 Jul, 2009
24:
First of all the Indian government should be blamed of for not taking these issues seriously.We hear a lot of news happening and happened in Australia only after the case of Baljinder and others stabbed.Indains should never prefer Australia as their study destination hereafter, then only they know the value of us.India has got many elite institutions and moreover Indian standard of education is appreciated worldwide.Why people go for Australia,when we have everything here??The real fact is that competition is high in India,that's why people go for other countries.
Posted by:vijay regunathan chandrasekaran
- 02 Jul, 2009
25:
Because there is no reservation in other countries.
rohit Replied to: vijay regunathan chandrasekaran
- 02 Jul, 2009
27:
Indian Student community needs to take heed from this. If the number of the applicants seeking admissions reduces significantly, then the Aus authorities will pay attention as hits their pocket straight away. Also, Indian education ministry should seriously think of reservation in Indian education system. Where would the cream go? Even after securing high marks, they cannot get seats in Indian institutes because more than half of the seats are "reserved" for backward classes. If they went abroad to study, they would be victims of these attacks. Is it a crime to be a bright boy with thirst for knowledge?
Regards,
Prash
Regards,
Prash
Posted by:Prashanth
- 02 Jul, 2009
28:
Very true. What is the use of blaming others? If opportunities and quality of life were available in India, people will not risk themselves like this. Even when you go abroad, Indians are ready to exploit other Indians or they fall victim to such attacks. With inflation at 11% in India its almost as if everyone needs to go abroad for atleast some time.
Kalyan Replied to: Prashanth
- 02 Jul, 2009
29:
It is true Indians settled abroad are most of the time ones who allow exploitation of Indians who are there to work or study. They do this in the form of H1B in US. The system abroad is made to protect individuals but somehow they get to know the loop holes and take advantage. This happens from big companies to small start ups. But not getting the exposure or not working abroad or not studying abroad is not the solution. Building strong ethics could be far fetched for people who are already set in their mind by now but protecting oneself by either setting a time frame and knowing the system before working in another country could help. Educating employees or students who travel abroad could be a step the Indian government can take if an effort is dispensed. We are moving towards open borders not limiting and drawing lines to close options.
Ann Replied to: Kalyan
- 02 Jul, 2009
30:
This is shame for the country, with the attacks going on, the irresponsible behavior of the government had already dented the image of the country, and now with the officials faking the information, this is really shameful.
Posted by:Rohan
- 02 Jul, 2009
31:
When the people of a nation do not value human life in their own country, this is what happens when they go outside of their country.
Why is it that we know immediately about even the smallest attacks on foreigners who come to India?
Thats because their govt has to care about their citizens, and citizens will make the govt take action, its not a five year "vote and forget" plan elsewhere.
The shameless embassy officials may not even be aware of this thing and even if they are- they dont have the balls to do anything.
Can you go back and read what our High Commissioner said after the racial attacks in Australia?"We have to learn to live in the rules of the land ... " This is just like the statement of strength when MMS says "We dont fear talking to pakistan..."
Why is it that we know immediately about even the smallest attacks on foreigners who come to India?
Thats because their govt has to care about their citizens, and citizens will make the govt take action, its not a five year "vote and forget" plan elsewhere.
The shameless embassy officials may not even be aware of this thing and even if they are- they dont have the balls to do anything.
Can you go back and read what our High Commissioner said after the racial attacks in Australia?"We have to learn to live in the rules of the land ... " This is just like the statement of strength when MMS says "We dont fear talking to pakistan..."
Upendra Replied to: Rohan
- 03 Jul, 2009
32:
Aussie's should be ashamed... that rogue govt just recruit students from outside which benefits their education income and thus there will be a good financial flow towards the country.... Being mean, they just want to fill their pocket....First of all when the Rascal Aussies who murder innocent victims out of racialism should be given severe punishment like some countries does, which is death for death, and so on.. These aussies should understand that they are not capable of learning, so the govt has to take students from outside. What a shame on you, you young AUSSIE's ... Try to learn how to live your life given by GOd... and not to distroy other life which God had given.....
Thud Replied to: Rohan
- 02 Jul, 2009
33:
This could be a hot little debate. I am Australian and I think that the Indian govt is a rogue govt too, just recruiting tourists from round the world benefitting your income. India is mean - they discriminate with foreign price for everything not Indian price and rip people off as soon as they get off the plane. Then you book into a hotel and you are dead in two days time or raped for no reason - very natural death or rape of course - and then our relatives are cremated without cause of death. The Indian police didn't even wait for me to get to India when my husband was murdered because they did it and concealed it.Police laugh at you when you come to find out what happened to your relative when you travel all the way from Australia with 3 children and that's it!You have to get back on the plane to Australia. How dare Indian people here comment without finding out what happens to Australians in India and all the other tourists and their families. I counted 80 tourists died suspiciously still waiting to hear from police in India. Your police are all corrupt in India and Australia has a few who still do their job and service the dead Indians and their families and at least give them respect. Now that throws some sh*t on the fan doesn't it?
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JAyasri Talapatra Gill Replied to: Thud
- 02 Jul, 2009
35:
You married an idiot and your English is deplorable - how did you pass any of the IIT required English classes to graduate?
Putting that aside, get a divorce and find good man....
Putting that aside, get a divorce and find good man....
Far Side Replied to: JAyasri Talapatra Gill
- 02 Jul, 2009
37:
You are so ridicilous to damn me- while being at the foot-step of the ladder. You do not try to bullshit on my decision. I ama better decision maker than most of the others- is not it?
Well, learn English, before speaking out- my advice to you..
Well, learn English, before speaking out- my advice to you..
Jayasri Talapatra Gill Replied to: Far Side
- 18 Feb, 2010
38:
What did you expect from australia, where it was made up of prisoners and rejects from the British empire. First they nationalized and converted the locals and call themselves civilized.
pranlal Replied to: JAyasri Talapatra Gill
- 02 Jul, 2009
39:
Hello Good morning, a wake up call
We were also prisoners of the Britis if you forget history- the difference is that we are a nation of wimps and Aus is a nation of anything else but NOT WIMPS.
Most Indian students go to Australia because of the beaches :) , can you imagine a beach in India where Indian girls are wearing bikinis and Indian guys are pretty aloof about it ?
Is the embassy making it mandatory to every student to undergo a cultural indoctrination ? like dont stare at girls like you do in India? Don't throw garbage everywhere? Dont spit of the streets, dont piss on the streets etc ?
Even in US we see desis leaving their garbage in nice heaps just outside the garbage disposal doors-also I hail from Mumbai- the national money machine and national garbage dump for India so I can understand, given the freedom, what mess we are capable of producing.
We were also prisoners of the Britis if you forget history- the difference is that we are a nation of wimps and Aus is a nation of anything else but NOT WIMPS.
Most Indian students go to Australia because of the beaches :) , can you imagine a beach in India where Indian girls are wearing bikinis and Indian guys are pretty aloof about it ?
Is the embassy making it mandatory to every student to undergo a cultural indoctrination ? like dont stare at girls like you do in India? Don't throw garbage everywhere? Dont spit of the streets, dont piss on the streets etc ?
Even in US we see desis leaving their garbage in nice heaps just outside the garbage disposal doors-also I hail from Mumbai- the national money machine and national garbage dump for India so I can understand, given the freedom, what mess we are capable of producing.
Upendra Replied to: pranlal
- 03 Jul, 2009
40:
so you're a WIMP eh!what kind of logic do you even use in your life?YOu even know about the "fly-tipping" problems in england??,they spend about 150 million pounds a year dealing with the problem,so according to you all of england are wimps who can't dump their garbage properly!!You are free to refer yourself as anything but don't go judging others!!:(
aaseesh sai marina Replied to: Upendra
- 06 Jul, 2009
41:
Well Upendra thank you for your insight on the whole issue, but there are a lot of loop holes in your side of the analysis, where in you very conveniently have described your "nation of wimps". Well just in case you forgot, India is a nation of 1 Billion plus citizens, so there is a marked difference in population than any other country particularly Australia which has far more land than us but much lesser citizens. Now being the logical jerk that you are,kindly open your mind and think- isnt it more difficult to govern a diverse nation like India with such huge population or in your case Australia which according to you is not a country of wimps, technologically more advanced blah blah blah and that they care ( joke).
I do not agree on a point wherein you have said that most Indian Students go to Australia because of beaches. How naive this reasoning can be? Now that you are from Mumbai, which has its own stinking beaches, tell me you see a lot of influx of people in Mumbai is the primary reason your Juhu Beach? or maybe a dumbhead would understand that this is because they are looking for better opportunities.
Amidst all the money spent, all the hardship undergone in getting visa, all the humiliation gone through because you are from "Thirld World".. dont you think even these Indians have the right to live and have some fun or maybe you still have the racist notion that its the birth right of a white to indulge in all activities and not some brown/black skinned guy who has come to this alien island with some dreams.
About Indians being perverts, trust me when I say that I have seen a lot many guys from different countries including Australia being sexists and not only Indians. Maybe you call them perverts because they are not too open about their sexuality ( because of the upbringing,social restrictions and the dillema whether we are more Broad minded than we actually think ) instead they are more of the voyuers or the sweet talkers when in a foreing land but tell me which man in this world would not try to go for a one night stand including Indians unless you participated in the July 2nd rally. I see it as a case of strong libido, which my friend mostly a lot of men possess.
This in no way makes RAPE acceptable as it could be the worst crime committed but what is wrong in trying some harmless flirting?
Now my view point is that yes it is very important that one should respect the culture and values/system of a country where one is residing. It is important that one should follow the rules and regulations of a country but it is equally important for the country to provide the same facilities, same enviornment for the individual because its not charity ,they are raking in moolah, plus, they are getting a readied workforce .
My friend it is very easy to criticise, but very difficult to implement, rather than giving your views everytime and deploring your own countrymen try to reach out a few and try changing the Image.
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Amidst all the money spent, all the hardship undergone in getting visa, all the humiliation gone through because you are from "Thirld World".. dont you think even these Indians have the right to live and have some fun or maybe you still have the racist notion that its the birth right of a white to indulge in all activities and not some brown/black skinned guy who has come to this alien island with some dreams.
About Indians being perverts, trust me when I say that I have seen a lot many guys from different countries including Australia being sexists and not only Indians. Maybe you call them perverts because they are not too open about their sexuality ( because of the upbringing,social restrictions and the dillema whether we are more Broad minded than we actually think ) instead they are more of the voyuers or the sweet talkers when in a foreing land but tell me which man in this world would not try to go for a one night stand including Indians unless you participated in the July 2nd rally. I see it as a case of strong libido, which my friend mostly a lot of men possess.
This in no way makes RAPE acceptable as it could be the worst crime committed but what is wrong in trying some harmless flirting?
Now my view point is that yes it is very important that one should respect the culture and values/system of a country where one is residing. It is important that one should follow the rules and regulations of a country but it is equally important for the country to provide the same facilities, same enviornment for the individual because its not charity ,they are raking in moolah, plus, they are getting a readied workforce .
My friend it is very easy to criticise, but very difficult to implement, rather than giving your views everytime and deploring your own countrymen try to reach out a few and try changing the Image.
Ankur Sharma Replied to: Upendra
- 05 Jul, 2009
42:
two words for everyone in this discussion- new zealand.
i'm indian and i've been here for three years. nothing but good things to say about it.
i'm indian and i've been here for three years. nothing but good things to say about it.
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- 04 Jul, 2009
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