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SiliconIndia,Sunday, 29 November 2009, 18:22 Hrs
New Delhi: In recent years, India has welcomed back tens of thousands of former emigrants and their offspring. When he visited U.S. this week, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh personally extended an invitation to all Indian-Americans and nonresident Indians who wish to return home. But, many Indians who spent most of their lives in North America and Europe are finding that they can't go home again.
Take for instance, Shiva Ayyadurai who left Mumbai with his family nearly 40 years ago, and promised himself that he would return to India someday to help his country. In June this year, Ayyadurai, now 45, moved from Boston to New Delhi hoping to make good on that promise. An entrepreneur and lecturer at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, with a number of American degrees, he was the first recruit of an ambitious government program to lure talented scientists of the so-called desi diaspora back to their homeland, reports New York Times.
"It seemed perfect," he said recently of the job opportunity. But it wasn't. As Ayyadurai sees it now, his Western business education met India's notoriously inefficient, opaque government, and things went downhill from there. Within weeks, he and his boss were at loggerheads. Last month, his job offer was withdrawn. Ayyadurai has moved back to Boston.
About 100,000 returnees will move from the U.S. to India in the next five years, estimates Vivek Wadhwa, a Research Associate at Harvard University who has studied the topic. These repats, as they are known, are drawn by India's booming economic growth, the chance to wrestle with complex problems and the opportunity to learn more about their heritage. They are joining multinational companies, starting new businesses and even becoming part of India's sleepy government bureaucracy.
But a study by Wadhwa and other academics found that 34 percent of repats found it difficult to return to India - compared to just 13 percent of Indian immigrants who found it difficult to settle in the U.S. The repats complained about traffic, lack of infrastructure, bureaucracy and pollution.
Take for instance, Shiva Ayyadurai who left Mumbai with his family nearly 40 years ago, and promised himself that he would return to India someday to help his country. In June this year, Ayyadurai, now 45, moved from Boston to New Delhi hoping to make good on that promise. An entrepreneur and lecturer at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, with a number of American degrees, he was the first recruit of an ambitious government program to lure talented scientists of the so-called desi diaspora back to their homeland, reports New York Times.
"It seemed perfect," he said recently of the job opportunity. But it wasn't. As Ayyadurai sees it now, his Western business education met India's notoriously inefficient, opaque government, and things went downhill from there. Within weeks, he and his boss were at loggerheads. Last month, his job offer was withdrawn. Ayyadurai has moved back to Boston.
About 100,000 returnees will move from the U.S. to India in the next five years, estimates Vivek Wadhwa, a Research Associate at Harvard University who has studied the topic. These repats, as they are known, are drawn by India's booming economic growth, the chance to wrestle with complex problems and the opportunity to learn more about their heritage. They are joining multinational companies, starting new businesses and even becoming part of India's sleepy government bureaucracy.
But a study by Wadhwa and other academics found that 34 percent of repats found it difficult to return to India - compared to just 13 percent of Indian immigrants who found it difficult to settle in the U.S. The repats complained about traffic, lack of infrastructure, bureaucracy and pollution.
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Reader's comments (33)
1: In the whole world the only country provide
chiken priyani to a terror is India.
Posted by: zcr - 02 Dec, 2009
2:yeah, yeah you want Indian monies to remain
in Europe and America and you suck the blood
of India like leaches. And stuff you tummy
with Indian priyanis
the whole India will change for the best starting from poor/downtrodden to the highest Indians
the whole India will change for the best starting from poor/downtrodden to the highest Indians
kamal indiana replied to: zcr
post - 03 Dec, 2009
post - 03 Dec, 2009
3: I think India will improve only at its own
pace. There is not one issue that needs to be
solved but a plethora of them. So, if the
NRIs are looking to come back to help India
out...then they should do it selflessly and
with not a complaining attitude but a fixing
attitude. Coz with a complaining attitude,
they would run away..as there is not dearth
of problems in India....but if they come with
a positive attitude to fix things up....come
wat may...they would survive....all d
best...
Posted by: Ashish Malik - 02 Dec, 2009
4:well said, Ashish.every indian should
contribute a little in the progress of india.
whether they are NRIs or those indian who
living in india.
K. Indiana replied to: Ashish Malik
post - 04 Dec, 2009
post - 04 Dec, 2009
5: Guys, there’s an article up on Nature.Com
called Innovation Demands Freedom by
V.A.Shiva Ayyadurai (http://www.vashiva.com)
that REALLY gives the scoop on what’s been
happening with CSIR and Samir K. Brahmachari.
CSIR either needs to be shut down or
Brahmachari needs to be held to task on all
of this. Also, I found a blog
http://freedomforscience.blogspot.com where
CSIR scientists have put up Ayyadurai &
Sardana’s REPORT and you can download it.
Posted by: vpatel - 01 Dec, 2009
6: Change India for once and for all.
PM MMS can\'t change the Indian constitution and political system by himself. This is the responsibility of all Indians and NRIs to be politically aware and active.
Actually it is not the politicians who are responsible but I strongly believe it is ALL the general and common people of India including every single Indians who are responsible for every negative and positive phenomenon which takes place on the Indian Territory.
Who will take the initiative? We don\'t know. That’s the answer comes in everybody\'s mind. So what is the solution of essential Indian dogmatic problems? Think and react positively to change the India throughout.
Bring and a Political and Social revolution in India.
PM MMS can\'t change the Indian constitution and political system by himself. This is the responsibility of all Indians and NRIs to be politically aware and active.
Actually it is not the politicians who are responsible but I strongly believe it is ALL the general and common people of India including every single Indians who are responsible for every negative and positive phenomenon which takes place on the Indian Territory.
Who will take the initiative? We don\'t know. That’s the answer comes in everybody\'s mind. So what is the solution of essential Indian dogmatic problems? Think and react positively to change the India throughout.
Bring and a Political and Social revolution in India.
Posted by: Mr Kamal Indiana - 01 Dec, 2009
7:please stop this blame game. we Indians will
keep blaming one another and rest of the
world will capture the Martian territory.
kamal indiana replied to: Mr Kamal Indiana
post - 03 Dec, 2009
post - 03 Dec, 2009
8: Now Indian growth statments out smarting
western move. But fact is completely
different if you go into detail. We developed
Healthcare systems even better than currently
avilable in west, specially keeping in mind
helping fellow Indians, but when I wrote to
various govts with full information,
desapointed by outcome. Now instead of
bribing, I\\\'m much focused on other
countries. Even if get projects in India, I
doubt if it can be done properly and intime
in this environment. Its OK for some one who
just looking for any business.
Posted by: Indian - 30 Nov, 2009
9: Mr. Prime Minister before Inviting NRI's back
to home. please change the politics in India
and try to develop necessary Infrastructure
every where in the country.
Posted by: Kumar - 30 Nov, 2009
10:It is the responsibility of every citizen
Riyas replied to: Kumar
post - 30 Nov, 2009
post - 30 Nov, 2009
11: first fix your family affairs mr Riyas. the
whole country changes if a family changes.
you know who i am
bt8czw replied to: Riyas
post - 03 Dec, 2009
post - 03 Dec, 2009
12: Can me and you join together and develop
infrastructure in India? lol. never. btw if i
return to india I will not be paid as I am
paid now and I cant meet my responsibilites
with that.
Shuaib replied to: Riyas
post - 01 Dec, 2009
post - 01 Dec, 2009
13: yes, it is responsibility of every citizens
of india and NRIs need to join all the
indians in this juncture. It is not only the
infrastrutures we should care about but we
should care about our coming generations in
India in particular and the world in general.
Ahmad from London replied to: Shuaib
post - 01 Dec, 2009
post - 01 Dec, 2009
14: I think it is a big change to move back to
India for an NRI. It is very very hard. Think
the other way, in work, why should a non-NRI,
who is king of his territory accept
competition? Why should he change the way he
works i.e. plan everything before
implementing. The world inside India works
without planning. Then why should someone
suddenly accept an NRI's way of thinking?
Success in India comes from how good you are
in establishing relationships and not on good
work.
So i think, rather than changing everything, its easier for an NRI to adjust his work and living style to that in India as long as he is in India.
Again Dr. Manmohan Singh's comment was just a rhetoric. He has seen the world enough to know that nobody will come back unless a great depression happens permanently.
So i think, rather than changing everything, its easier for an NRI to adjust his work and living style to that in India as long as he is in India.
Again Dr. Manmohan Singh's comment was just a rhetoric. He has seen the world enough to know that nobody will come back unless a great depression happens permanently.
Posted by: biju - 30 Nov, 2009
15:I completely agree with you, Even if highly
educated loos job in west, may prefer to work
at gas station then accepting technical job
in India even in private sector. USA will be
manage to correct their problem before even
India change a beat. Look this article and
other article from him:
http://blogs.siliconindia.com/HospitalSystems /India_being_a_global_power_missing_ingredien ts-bid-17anuzx399379114.html
http://blogs.siliconindia.com/HospitalSystems /India_being_a_global_power_missing_ingredien ts-bid-17anuzx399379114.html
DesBharat replied to: biju
post - 30 Nov, 2009
post - 30 Nov, 2009
16: I repeat the comment I made earlier. Prime
minister should consult his home, foreign,
and education as well as industrial affairs
ministries and then invite Indian origin
talent home after establishing in innovative
approaches for the growth at home, especially
the investmentments and banking policies that
can foster entrapreneurial ventures that can
grow high tech jobs and bring educational
institutions in India par to its needs so
that we do not have to read that 75% of
Indian Techies are not employable!
PM need to to invest in his home work!
PM need to to invest in his home work!
Posted by: Mike - 30 Nov, 2009
17: I think there is a translation problem in
that, in my opinion I think Indians in the
past and PM Singh recently were simply
WELCOMING Indians back home and not INVITING
them back home.
I've never called anyone a repat so that word is strange to me but traffic is in the big cities along with commuter trains (the small cities hardly have the funds for even a bus system). The jobs are in the big cities and I don't know if repats are permitted to start their own small business and work from home but I can tell you that today people do work for companies but work from home so the traffic problem can be eliminated. Pollution comes from many cars and if you're in the berbs then the polution isn't a problem. As far as infrastructure is concerned the US does have ample infrastructure. Bureaucracy is only if one is concerned with the government as in filling out forms or updating things (like visas) but if you have an attorney then they do that for you. Certainly on the wages IT's earn here they could afford an attorney. So see, the problems could be solved easily.
I've never called anyone a repat so that word is strange to me but traffic is in the big cities along with commuter trains (the small cities hardly have the funds for even a bus system). The jobs are in the big cities and I don't know if repats are permitted to start their own small business and work from home but I can tell you that today people do work for companies but work from home so the traffic problem can be eliminated. Pollution comes from many cars and if you're in the berbs then the polution isn't a problem. As far as infrastructure is concerned the US does have ample infrastructure. Bureaucracy is only if one is concerned with the government as in filling out forms or updating things (like visas) but if you have an attorney then they do that for you. Certainly on the wages IT's earn here they could afford an attorney. So see, the problems could be solved easily.
Posted by: Christie Fox - 30 Nov, 2009
18: Dear friends:
I myself am a recently returned NRI from Sydney Australia. After completing my PHD in Pharmaceutical Chemistry and Post-Doc in the USA, I then emigrated to Australia in 1995 and had a stint with the Australian Govt. Recently returned back to Bharath and now working as a professor of Organic Chemistry at a college here in Southern Bharath... Yes, there are lots of problems and the salary is just a fraction of what I used to make... But the enormous satisfaction of being close to my family (my old parents), my older sister and her family, and most importantly being able to converse freely in my beautiful sounding mother tongue, TAMIL at work and with collegues, being able to instruct students in Tamil now and then when they don't understand a particular concept, my son now speaking good Tamil and calling me Appa and calling mother Amma (not mummy and daddy) and calling grandpa and grandma (thaatha and thaathi), being able to physically serve my parents.... NOTHING CAN BEAT THIS FEELING...
And on top of it: THIS IS MY LAND AND MY COUNTRY AND I'M AN EQUAL KING HERE WITH MY OTHER FELLOW BHARATEEYAS
I myself am a recently returned NRI from Sydney Australia. After completing my PHD in Pharmaceutical Chemistry and Post-Doc in the USA, I then emigrated to Australia in 1995 and had a stint with the Australian Govt. Recently returned back to Bharath and now working as a professor of Organic Chemistry at a college here in Southern Bharath... Yes, there are lots of problems and the salary is just a fraction of what I used to make... But the enormous satisfaction of being close to my family (my old parents), my older sister and her family, and most importantly being able to converse freely in my beautiful sounding mother tongue, TAMIL at work and with collegues, being able to instruct students in Tamil now and then when they don't understand a particular concept, my son now speaking good Tamil and calling me Appa and calling mother Amma (not mummy and daddy) and calling grandpa and grandma (thaatha and thaathi), being able to physically serve my parents.... NOTHING CAN BEAT THIS FEELING...
And on top of it: THIS IS MY LAND AND MY COUNTRY AND I'M AN EQUAL KING HERE WITH MY OTHER FELLOW BHARATEEYAS
Posted by: Shiva - 30 Nov, 2009
19:Excellent Master...Very well said :
\"JANANI JANMA BHOOMISCHA SWARGADAPI GARIYASI\"
\"JANANI JANMA BHOOMISCHA SWARGADAPI GARIYASI\"
yes we will replied to: Shiva
post - 03 Dec, 2009
post - 03 Dec, 2009
20: You can live in the west for a 100 yrs but
still u remain a brownie.Come to think of it
, you even have to change your name in order
to make it more pronounceable to
westerners.No matter how efficient,
clean,transparent,etc etc the system might be
there , its not your own country.all nri's
have had put up with various kinds of subtle
and not so subtle racism for all their
lives.Just ask any one in UK/Australia,etc.US
was different but the recession and bad blood
created by the code coolies is ruining things
there also...
Posted by: Ankit - 30 Nov, 2009
21: goverment , politic , bussiness , law and
order , etc is so bad in india that i just
cont belive i will be able to survive in
india. i have made plans to go back to india
several times and every time i get to india
things look so difficult and out of control
that i just run back to africa
but i would love to stay back in india around my own people
but i would love to stay back in india around my own people
Posted by: Shyam Sundrani - 30 Nov, 2009
22: Well you can't expect India to be equal in
transparency, governance etc, overnight as
their western countries from where these
NRI's are returning or thinking of returning.
Yes there are a million problems but you
should be aware and given thought to the main
problems before taking the decision.
"The repats complained about traffic, lack of infrastructure, bureaucracy and pollution". Of course these problems are there. Didn't the NRI's find about these problems when they came for their 'holiday' in India?
The point is, every place has it own merits and demerits. Do your homework well and stand by your decision.
- Nisha (iITPRO.NET)
"The repats complained about traffic, lack of infrastructure, bureaucracy and pollution". Of course these problems are there. Didn't the NRI's find about these problems when they came for their 'holiday' in India?
The point is, every place has it own merits and demerits. Do your homework well and stand by your decision.
- Nisha (iITPRO.NET)
Posted by: Nisha - 30 Nov, 2009
23: First of all for guys her ...........be
practical......
with absolutely no control over increasing commodities prices , rea estate and all basic commodities.......I think hardly any NRI would think of returning except that he had very good economic back up or condition for himself..........from my point of view in India everyone here is in the effort of looting the other .....fierce competition huh.......
The life of a common man is highly vulnerable here..if u take down the figures PRACTICALLY.......anything can be written on paper here......even the newspapers are bribed or politically inclined....
From my point of view the human value in India is quite less that than in west........
with absolutely no control over increasing commodities prices , rea estate and all basic commodities.......I think hardly any NRI would think of returning except that he had very good economic back up or condition for himself..........from my point of view in India everyone here is in the effort of looting the other .....fierce competition huh.......
The life of a common man is highly vulnerable here..if u take down the figures PRACTICALLY.......anything can be written on paper here......even the newspapers are bribed or politically inclined....
From my point of view the human value in India is quite less that than in west........
Posted by: Dinesh - 30 Nov, 2009
24:Even US Govt had scams in India its at all
level and in US its only in high level.
indirectly affecting us. Why health care is
so high so is the health insurance. they
make us feel insecure and get insurance and
make money. Why all the labour rate is so
high. U pay more to others by force or
legally . In india its thro bribe.. money
wise its same.
Well there are hassles in india we knew it was here for centuries and were born and brought up in this so called tough world but thats what made us to face problems. US Govt calls americans as tax payer but not us although wepay more taxes than them and also SSN tax which we may not even use. Bull--it things are every where. US is money minded Govt taxes Insurances Services like Internet or phone charge a lot, Public Transport is waste, so u r forced to get car its insurance AAA etc etc Fuel prices will rise even if there is no price change in Gulf. Its all politics.. but played nicely. Wise politician in us plays clever and Indian politicians play illegally. Its all the happiness matter in the end. Good road, car and house cannot match the happiness to live free in own country with relatives or parents. We all go to earn and get absorbed by maya. Pollution US is major cause of world pollution by using more cars and more toxic things. paper is widely used by western countries. We can write lots of stuff. We are blinded by luxury. I am in US and planning to go back to india
Well there are hassles in india we knew it was here for centuries and were born and brought up in this so called tough world but thats what made us to face problems. US Govt calls americans as tax payer but not us although wepay more taxes than them and also SSN tax which we may not even use. Bull--it things are every where. US is money minded Govt taxes Insurances Services like Internet or phone charge a lot, Public Transport is waste, so u r forced to get car its insurance AAA etc etc Fuel prices will rise even if there is no price change in Gulf. Its all politics.. but played nicely. Wise politician in us plays clever and Indian politicians play illegally. Its all the happiness matter in the end. Good road, car and house cannot match the happiness to live free in own country with relatives or parents. We all go to earn and get absorbed by maya. Pollution US is major cause of world pollution by using more cars and more toxic things. paper is widely used by western countries. We can write lots of stuff. We are blinded by luxury. I am in US and planning to go back to india
Mano replied to: Dinesh
post - 30 Nov, 2009
post - 30 Nov, 2009
25: You are right what you said, but difference
is, money you paying in USA is invested back
in terms of creating infrastructure, walefare
or jobs. But corruption in India goes
directly to some ones pocket, but when
corrupt peoples kids health get critical,
that corrupt money they collecting for their
kids or cripled systems can not save their
life. I am not saying western system is
right, Indian simple system is great but
corruption is like viral infaction, it kills
country.
Suresh replied to: Mano
post - 30 Nov, 2009
post - 30 Nov, 2009
26:dude u r absolutely right
Rahul replied to: Dinesh
post - 30 Nov, 2009
post - 30 Nov, 2009
27: HI I actually agree with with the author that
it is difficult to return to India after
living for a long time. Sure a lot of people
will say it is comfortable over here compared
to India but that is correct in its own ways.
I travel a lot and a classic example is when
one is looking for a taxi. In India either he
will not take you or his meter is not working
or they want to work the price out before. In
Europe u jump in the local train, tram, bus
or even the underground. Sure it is
comfortable but it makes us more efficient.
Posted by: ranjit Bhagat - 30 Nov, 2009
28: While the infrastructure in west is superior
and environment for start ups are much better
in west, the trend I have seen in the US few
of the startups have become companies rest
were meant to be sold. In India that is not
the case. Secondly there were organizations
like CDOT which was a success for what it was
set up and I know lot of people who left for
US from CDOT even today recount that CDOT was
their best phase. But real fact for not
returning is the comforts they have got used
to which is not here and the escape from
family responsibilities ( I know I am
touching raw nerves, but this a fact!)
Posted by: Athri - 29 Nov, 2009
29: The system should be blamed. what a shame
indeed. i mean the case of Ayyadurai is
really shameful.
Posted by: fiza - 29 Nov, 2009
30: On Brain Drain to Brain Gain I recall the
views of Dr.R.A.Mashelkar, Former
Director-General of CSIR at the 97th
Convocation of Pune University in December
2003, From Brain Drain to Brain Gain:
Beginning of a New Indian Journey,
Let us take the issue of brain drain first. Why does brain drain take place in the first instance? Why do our young students migrate to other developed countries, especially USA?
Invariably it is assumed that the main driving force for brain drain is economic. People go to the developed world in search of gaining a higher income – physical income to be precise. But I do not think that is the only reason. Otherwise, why would the proportion of scientists and engineers from Japan who went to USA, and never returned, would have increased by 50% in the last five years? Japan is a rich developed country unlike India.
I believe that for the young people, it is the ‘psychic income’ that matters much more. Their incentives are not just financial. The fun of creation, admiration received from their peers, the excitement and glory of taking part in the process of creation of something new and exciting, and especially one which can make a big difference to the nation, matters to them much more. That is why a computer engineer works on the challenge of the Param computer in C-DAC on a salary that is a small fraction of what he would get from IBM. That is why a space scientist in ISRO works on the satellite launching vehicle GSLV rather than joining NASA. That is why I came back to this country in 1976 on a princely salary of Rs. 2100 per month, leaving aside a prestigious professorship in a leading university in USA that was offered to me. And it is not only me, there are several others present here who have done it.
Dr.A.Jagadeesh Nellore(AP)
Let us take the issue of brain drain first. Why does brain drain take place in the first instance? Why do our young students migrate to other developed countries, especially USA?
Invariably it is assumed that the main driving force for brain drain is economic. People go to the developed world in search of gaining a higher income – physical income to be precise. But I do not think that is the only reason. Otherwise, why would the proportion of scientists and engineers from Japan who went to USA, and never returned, would have increased by 50% in the last five years? Japan is a rich developed country unlike India.
I believe that for the young people, it is the ‘psychic income’ that matters much more. Their incentives are not just financial. The fun of creation, admiration received from their peers, the excitement and glory of taking part in the process of creation of something new and exciting, and especially one which can make a big difference to the nation, matters to them much more. That is why a computer engineer works on the challenge of the Param computer in C-DAC on a salary that is a small fraction of what he would get from IBM. That is why a space scientist in ISRO works on the satellite launching vehicle GSLV rather than joining NASA. That is why I came back to this country in 1976 on a princely salary of Rs. 2100 per month, leaving aside a prestigious professorship in a leading university in USA that was offered to me. And it is not only me, there are several others present here who have done it.
Dr.A.Jagadeesh Nellore(AP)
Posted by: Dr.A.Jagadeesh - 29 Nov, 2009
31:Let consider for a while that From Brain
Drain to Brain Gain is Beginning of a New
Indian Journey, as said in above para. But
what is the gaurentee that the brain that
come back to India will have a secure jobs.
Millions of Indian go out of India for a
better prospects just because they were not
able to find the same in India. Will they
Come back? Will our PM gaurentee NRI the
same/ similar Position in India. If NRI's are
offered better position then they will be
replacing some one. so in that case also this
is increase un-employment and readudancy.
Nikhil replied to: Dr.A.Jagadeesh
post - 30 Nov, 2009
post - 30 Nov, 2009
32:OK Dr.A.Jagadees .. I also left high income
salaried job in US and came back to India in
2008. and there are lot many people coming
back her only to found that Indian techies
have matured and its lot difficult to
compelte with them. Amen
Saurabh replied to: Dr.A.Jagadeesh
post - 30 Nov, 2009
post - 30 Nov, 2009
33:Thanks Dr. Jagdish that you have preferred to
stay back in India .The reason may be peace
of mind that you are enjoying
here enen though your salary may be less than what you might have got there in usa.
I was an immegrant in England in year 1967.
I also preferred to come back and settled in India in1970
.
here enen though your salary may be less than what you might have got there in usa.
I was an immegrant in England in year 1967.
I also preferred to come back and settled in India in1970
.
y p keshary replied to: Dr.A.Jagadeesh
post - 29 Nov, 2009
post - 29 Nov, 2009
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