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American tech grads are unemployable: HCL CEO
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SiliconIndia,Tuesday, 23 June 2009, 20:19 Hrs
Bangalore: HCL technologies' Chief Executive Vineet Nayar recently said that American tech graduates are basically 'unemployable', according to an InformationWeek report. He says that he views American tech grads as inferior to those from India, China and Brazil. American tech students only enter the field to get rich or to dream up the next big thing while students from India and China are willing to handle even the boring part of the industry, ITIL and Six Sigma.
Several months ago few western CEO had claimed that even though India produces second largest number of engineers in the world, more than half of them are unemployable. They also say that Indian graduates are smart, driven and they work for a pittance compared to their Western counterparts but lack critical thinking and creativity and function like robots.
Nayar has responded back to such claims as he feels that Americans are too costly to train as compared to Indian graduates who are highly trained in real life applications because they attend vocational courses and have hands on experience. HCL, however, has recently announced that it plans to open a delivery centre in North Carolina with an investment of $3.2 million and will hire over 500 employees over the next five years under a U.S. Job Development Investment Grant.
These remarks from Nayar have already created quite a few controversies. InformationWeek's Robert Preston wrote: "Imagine if the CEO of a U.S.-based tech company marched into Mumbai seeking a bigger share of the country's multibillion dollar market and declared the locals to be unemployable and un-trainable. A culture of innovation isn't inconsistent with one that values attention to detail." Few websites have taken this to extreme. A protectionist web site JobDestruction.com has sent email newsletter which says, "HCL hires Indians almost exclusively, so it's safe to assume that Nayar's disparaging comments don't just apply to our young college graduates. He thinks ALL Americans are unemployable."
Several months ago few western CEO had claimed that even though India produces second largest number of engineers in the world, more than half of them are unemployable. They also say that Indian graduates are smart, driven and they work for a pittance compared to their Western counterparts but lack critical thinking and creativity and function like robots.
Nayar has responded back to such claims as he feels that Americans are too costly to train as compared to Indian graduates who are highly trained in real life applications because they attend vocational courses and have hands on experience. HCL, however, has recently announced that it plans to open a delivery centre in North Carolina with an investment of $3.2 million and will hire over 500 employees over the next five years under a U.S. Job Development Investment Grant.
These remarks from Nayar have already created quite a few controversies. InformationWeek's Robert Preston wrote: "Imagine if the CEO of a U.S.-based tech company marched into Mumbai seeking a bigger share of the country's multibillion dollar market and declared the locals to be unemployable and un-trainable. A culture of innovation isn't inconsistent with one that values attention to detail." Few websites have taken this to extreme. A protectionist web site JobDestruction.com has sent email newsletter which says, "HCL hires Indians almost exclusively, so it's safe to assume that Nayar's disparaging comments don't just apply to our young college graduates. He thinks ALL Americans are unemployable."
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Reader's comments (145)
1: look whom you are refeering to.. Give me one
killer product from any one Indian
comapany... Its rediculuous how he states
that one who invented the all the products
and processes are usekless today... Prove
this statement Mr. Nair..
Posted by: Govind - 11 Jul, 2009
2: Mr. Nayar, Hope we all are working towards
making a one Globe instead of different
countries and their capability. We know HCLs
capabilities too, why do hire people on big
post who are with US degrees?
Please don't stop the progress which we are making in ONE WORLD by your lose comments.
Indians are behind other countries just because of people like you. I am sorry to say this.
Please don't stop the progress which we are making in ONE WORLD by your lose comments.
Indians are behind other countries just because of people like you. I am sorry to say this.
Posted by: Anand - 02 Jul, 2009
3: The comment is unfair or a smart positioning
ploy. The truth however is that the American
under-grad, grad, and post-grad education
system is of very high quality, probably the
best in the world. If one sheds one's
parochial blinkers, the difference with the
Indian system will be obvious. Other than a
handful of IITs churning out a couple of
thousand engineers (for a population of 1.2
billion!), what we to boast about? Anyone who
has delved into the IIT system knows that it
is mediocre or worse by global standards,
revelling only on "cream-in-cream-out"! How
many patents, new products, nobel laureattes
do the IITs produce? Instead of running down
others, let us create a few hundred genuine
centres of excellence.
Posted by: Deepak Singhal - 29 Jun, 2009
4:I have personally witnessed a large group of
HCL contractors surfing on the Internet all
day and not performing any work whatsoever,
all the while displacing Americans at an
American Corporation on American soil.
The blame really falls on the incompetent management of the corporation that does not have even the slightest understand of what it is they are managing let alone some method to measure productivity.
The irony is that this company is about to fold having wasted hundreds of millions of dollars.
I am sure this group of Internet surfers will move on to the next incompetent corporation here in the U.S.
The blame really falls on the incompetent management of the corporation that does not have even the slightest understand of what it is they are managing let alone some method to measure productivity.
The irony is that this company is about to fold having wasted hundreds of millions of dollars.
I am sure this group of Internet surfers will move on to the next incompetent corporation here in the U.S.
Mr. Smith replied to: Deepak Singhal
post - 02 Jul, 2009
post - 02 Jul, 2009
5:We should not get carried away by the
achievements of a few IIT alumni, where even
these successes have mostly been achieved
overseas, mainly USA, Mr. Nayar. But what has
been the record of the Indian technical
colleges? In terms of research, new
curriculum, patents, awards in international
fora, publications etc? Quite dismal. If you
select 2000 cream-de-la-cream from a
population of 1.2 billion smart Indians, you
will get excellent output. But that does not
mean the system is world-class. Instead of
getting carried away, and making such
laughable comments, let us improve our
system. USA has over hundreds of world class
technical colleges, where even the no 100 is
top class. But we can not count beyond 4 or 5
IITs.
pawan Shroff replied to: Deepak Singhal
post - 29 Jun, 2009
post - 29 Jun, 2009
6:I entirely agree with Mr. Singhal. IITs are
good because they pick up a few thousand
cream of the cream. Basically the professors,
the curriculum, the labs, the research all is
of very low standard. Let us remove our
blinkers, as he said, and try and improve our
system.
Shyam Dhanraj replied to: Deepak Singhal
post - 29 Jun, 2009
post - 29 Jun, 2009
7: This is just a bullshit statement Mr.
Nayyar...Although americans are not so
talented as indians but they have some
dignity thats why they dont do low paid jobs
and dont wake up at the time of sleeping.They
work to live life not live to work
lifelong.Being a CEO Of such a bullshit
company who is not able to pay his own
employees,makes no standards and distinction
between a BA & an engineering guy have no
rights to say like this.Such a substandard
CEO of a highly substandard company......
Company motto...Employee First initiative.The employees are the first one to get F****d whether its concerned about salary or technical skills.You will forget your own technical skills if you will join this company.!!!!!
Company motto...Employee First initiative.The employees are the first one to get F****d whether its concerned about salary or technical skills.You will forget your own technical skills if you will join this company.!!!!!
Posted by: Devesh Nandan Srivastava - 28 Jun, 2009
8: I Agree with Chief Executive Vineet Nayar as
he said some thing out of Experience, Reality
is to be appreciated, However, At this point
of time Creating Employment is the Biggest
task that Should be appreciated, Whether its
for and Indian or an Amarican. From. Raghuram
Dittakavi.
Posted by: Raghuram Dittakavi - 27 Jun, 2009
9: I agree with what Mr. Nayer has said.
Posted by: Md.N.Siddiqui. - 27 Jun, 2009
10:And do you know why he said like that... Its
just a business brain behind that statement.
How many Americans will be interested to work
with HCL's new outlet in Carolina? HE NEEDS
500 employees in 5 years( Obviously he can
hire Indians which is cost efficient for him)
Paul Antony replied to: Md.N.Siddiqui.
post - 27 Jun, 2009
post - 27 Jun, 2009
11: So hereby the comments should end, i request
all, after reading this last message to stop
commenting. By using our screens we make
earth warm. we know individually what is
wrong what is right. even i do that but to
stop this.
help me help the world (flaura and fauna).
help me help the world (flaura and fauna).
Posted by: ram - 26 Jun, 2009
12: HCL - it is a cheap labor, sweat shop, so why
should one pay attention to this idiot.
The Yahoos, Goofles, the Facebooks, Twitters, Nvidias and Apples of the world have been created by US tech graduates.
India's tech graduates (unless they have an advanced degree from US/Europe, Australia) are yet to create a world renowed brand.
They are followers, not leaders.
The Yahoos, Goofles, the Facebooks, Twitters, Nvidias and Apples of the world have been created by US tech graduates.
India's tech graduates (unless they have an advanced degree from US/Europe, Australia) are yet to create a world renowed brand.
They are followers, not leaders.
Posted by: Atish - 25 Jun, 2009
13:Infact you may not be aware that the mailing
technology was first invented or created by
an INDIAN due to which the companies that u
told(yahoo, facebook, etc bullshits) are
surviving.
Gopalakrishnan Selvarajan replied to: Atish
post - 30 Jun, 2009
post - 30 Jun, 2009
14:He is just talking becasue he don't have
anything to do and get free Body shoping
money. Can this HCL stop bodyshipping and
develop a product. No they cannot sence
these idiot want free money
w6gw3k replied to: Atish
post - 25 Jun, 2009
post - 25 Jun, 2009
15: check out www.eduspotinc.com
Prasad Seshadri replied to: w6gw3k
post - 15 Feb, 2010
post - 15 Feb, 2010
16:India was the BEST country before thousands
of years. infact was the RICHEST one too.
Invasion and slavery by foreigners over the last 10 odd centuries and the corruption after that has led to all these talks.
Given a matter of wealth and support anyone will be able to any task and if people disagree with this they need to read a lot about the operation of human brain.
The capability cannot be compared between two, might be the support in terms of education, wealth may affect a person's life.
This is infact in positive side with the Americans and on the other hand, these days though Indian economy and global stature have shown some progress, such quality on a large scale still lacks, only few exists in India.
Coming to what Nayar said, you have to agree that Americans at least in the business sector given their quality education looking for a dignified job will not show flexibility. Well not to say thats wrong. Its their personal wish.
If they mean to say the Americans are employable then why the companies over there prefer outsourcing rather than giving jobs to their own folks.
You have to reason it out because they cannot afford to the expectations of those guys.
The present stature of India though its economically stable still many of its people are not as rich as those in America and hence prefer to show flexibility in their work for their sustainable income.
well as far as R&D is concerned the US govt. is offering millions and millions for the same but what the Indian govt. is offering comparitively. And yet when India tested nuclear devices in Pokran, many of the world giants are baffled. I think the same US also was cautious enough not to encourage the same.
Whatsoever it may be but still India and its people cannot be taken lightly.
Yes IT jobs in India are mostly a no brainer and well these no brainers are mostly outsourced ones of those in US who say so, not to forget that.
In this way i would say when you are not capable of doing this no brainer itself, or when you are not given/accepting the opportunity or overlooked upon the same, whatsoever but still you dont work on it and we indians atleast are able to show tolerance, flexibility, dedication, hardwork, innovation yes ofcourse when you say most of the indians are not good speakers of english, to read the crap codes whats thats already been written, to remodify, to make it work, to implement whatsoever the nonsense enhancements stated all within the DEADLINE successfully for those US companies to benefit largely itself shows the capability of our people.
Lack of training and opportunity for many people in India may be a reason to look out for why you people condemn us.
Well i am not blaming any country based or any of the governments of both the countries and i also have great respect for both and many of their peoples too.
US people may be having potential to display however due to the substantial life of Indians, its not wise to state we are way behind.
Once again stating that given the job of IT industry, companies go for Indians as a better choice not because US guys r inflexible or seeking for money but because of the success what they have achieved after employing the Indians who showed more flexibility and other characters.
Invasion and slavery by foreigners over the last 10 odd centuries and the corruption after that has led to all these talks.
Given a matter of wealth and support anyone will be able to any task and if people disagree with this they need to read a lot about the operation of human brain.
The capability cannot be compared between two, might be the support in terms of education, wealth may affect a person's life.
This is infact in positive side with the Americans and on the other hand, these days though Indian economy and global stature have shown some progress, such quality on a large scale still lacks, only few exists in India.
Coming to what Nayar said, you have to agree that Americans at least in the business sector given their quality education looking for a dignified job will not show flexibility. Well not to say thats wrong. Its their personal wish.
If they mean to say the Americans are employable then why the companies over there prefer outsourcing rather than giving jobs to their own folks.
You have to reason it out because they cannot afford to the expectations of those guys.
The present stature of India though its economically stable still many of its people are not as rich as those in America and hence prefer to show flexibility in their work for their sustainable income.
well as far as R&D is concerned the US govt. is offering millions and millions for the same but what the Indian govt. is offering comparitively. And yet when India tested nuclear devices in Pokran, many of the world giants are baffled. I think the same US also was cautious enough not to encourage the same.
Whatsoever it may be but still India and its people cannot be taken lightly.
Yes IT jobs in India are mostly a no brainer and well these no brainers are mostly outsourced ones of those in US who say so, not to forget that.
In this way i would say when you are not capable of doing this no brainer itself, or when you are not given/accepting the opportunity or overlooked upon the same, whatsoever but still you dont work on it and we indians atleast are able to show tolerance, flexibility, dedication, hardwork, innovation yes ofcourse when you say most of the indians are not good speakers of english, to read the crap codes whats thats already been written, to remodify, to make it work, to implement whatsoever the nonsense enhancements stated all within the DEADLINE successfully for those US companies to benefit largely itself shows the capability of our people.
Lack of training and opportunity for many people in India may be a reason to look out for why you people condemn us.
Well i am not blaming any country based or any of the governments of both the countries and i also have great respect for both and many of their peoples too.
US people may be having potential to display however due to the substantial life of Indians, its not wise to state we are way behind.
Once again stating that given the job of IT industry, companies go for Indians as a better choice not because US guys r inflexible or seeking for money but because of the success what they have achieved after employing the Indians who showed more flexibility and other characters.
Sam replied to: Atish
post - 25 Jun, 2009
post - 25 Jun, 2009
17: It's quite interesting to hear so many
adverse reactions for Mr Nayar's comment -
how many have heard American CEO commenting
on non-employibility of Indian graduates. Yes
I agree many Indian graduates indeed are
unemployable but lets understand the
background of our education system. But when
an Indian CEO makes a comment on
employability of American - then all hue and
cry begins. Lets introspect rather make it in
an emotive issue
Posted by: viswanath - 25 Jun, 2009
18: These accusations and counter-accusations
will go on. It is true that the American
Education System is designed to promote
creativity and innovation and the Indian one
to make conscientious executives.At a
managerial level our people i.e. Indians
really excel. Indians do attain the technical
expertise required, to do the job well by
giving attention to detail, and once the work
plan is made and their path is charted out
take the task to completion positively, but
surely in the department of creative
visualization are wanting. I must say
American educated technical graduates and
their Indian counterparts make a
complementary combination. Thus neither
Nayar's comment is wrong in toto, or for that
matter the "Western CEO" who made that
comment.
Posted by: MAHADEVA S. SARMA - 24 Jun, 2009
19:Very well put Mahadeva. Astute observation.
Ankit replied to: MAHADEVA S. SARMA
post - 25 Jun, 2009
post - 25 Jun, 2009
20: I have worked in HCL as a delivery manager
and consider myself fortunate to have
observed and learnt a few things from Mr.
Nayar. People who have written a few
negative comments about him forget that he is
a champion when it comes to the welfare and
wellbeing people whowork for HCL. People are
more important to me than customers. He
actually practices the open door policy and
those who had grievances/problems could write
to him in confidence. I have seen action
taken within a very short period of time.
What more can you ask from a person who runs
a company of this size and scope of
operations? No wonder HCL has been rated as
No. 1 employer in India in terms of people
satisfaction. He understands the business and
I have no doubt that he has his reasons for
making such a comment.
Posted by: Chandu Chatterjee - 24 Jun, 2009
21: How stupid comment is this.Its better to look
internal to your company, My Nayar.I have
worked in HCL and had left just because of
internal polities.HCL\'s manager are the
worst manager in this industry.They are not
employable to other companies.As far as
technical persons are concern they are also
not very good.Manger always ask to their work
from a technical persons and they just kill
the technical skill of these employee.Its
better Mr Nayer to concentrate to prepare
more technical guy for you company.It\'s not
good to make a comment on others.Just let
your team member to do the Technical thing
rather then the project management other wise
you will face the great difficulties in
coming future.Its better to retain the
technical guy in your company. I know very
well Good technical guy can\'t stay in this
stupid and full of polities company.
Posted by: Your old Employee - 24 Jun, 2009
22:I can visualize your caliber with the
language being used in your comment.
Re-analyze your weakness and affirm your own
strength then point fingers across.
sendil replied to: Your old Employee
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
23: There is no need to create negative image
about any country. Its just the people you
come across, you believe, same for others.
There are intelligent beings, and dumb beings at both ends of earth.
In time like Global Issues (Warming, Recession etc), we should be building a better place for human race rather only India or America.
Its a team work that keeps the mill running.
Being Happy is more important rather than being richer and smarter.
:)
There are intelligent beings, and dumb beings at both ends of earth.
In time like Global Issues (Warming, Recession etc), we should be building a better place for human race rather only India or America.
Its a team work that keeps the mill running.
Being Happy is more important rather than being richer and smarter.
:)
Posted by: Kapil - 24 Jun, 2009
24: Why is this guy who holds a company whose
majority projects come from America making
such stupid statements. If they were
incapable then we wouldn\'t be having
Microsoft, Apple, DELL, SUN and many such
companies. With having more than lakh of
engineers passout every year we only thrive
to be part of such companies rather than
doing something big like that. Once we make
it big in software field than we can make
such stupid statements. How irresponsible
statement it is. That too at a time when
there are so many attacks on Indians. when
everyone is calling us Cash cows, Hell with
these Kind of statements. What this guy is
out of his mind or what
Posted by: Ajay R - 24 Jun, 2009
25:HCL is substandard company
No wonder having such stupid jerks at the top try to make it even worse
No wonder having such stupid jerks at the top try to make it even worse
nisha replied to: Ajay R
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
26: Do we expect that while we will be sleeping
in India,the Americans will sit in BPO's and
do back office coolie's job for us?
I think Americans have dignity and for the sake of money they will not take up jobs which can be humilating to their pride,national and self respect.Please correct me if I am wrong.
Let us not concentrate on Americans but focus on the constructive development of the Indian labour force which also dreams to improve its quality of life..
I think Americans have dignity and for the sake of money they will not take up jobs which can be humilating to their pride,national and self respect.Please correct me if I am wrong.
Let us not concentrate on Americans but focus on the constructive development of the Indian labour force which also dreams to improve its quality of life..
Posted by: Bardoloi Gautam - 24 Jun, 2009
27:Yes you are wrong. Americans have dignity of
labor. They are more comfortable taking so
called "low jobs" than Indians who are
basically still feudal in mindset.
Rahul replied to: Bardoloi Gautam
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
28: All Americans who agree with my comment, you
suck. All Indians who disagree with my
comment...guys even devil would love to kick
you out of hell...TRAITORS.
Posted by: priya - 24 Jun, 2009
29: Oye Nair you have some balls calling Indians
empty handed clerks. Either your mum ate anti
India poison before labor or you suck too
much of American pussy. Ahole, with a
population in billions so many people being
able to feed their families is a miracle in
itself. We might not have invented
microprocessors and computers. That does not
mean we cant beat them at their own game.
Every dog has its day dude..this is an Asian
era. No matter how much you act like the wise
know it all, book of statistics, I am the all
knowing traitor the thing is somewhere we
have raised goosepimples, somewhere people
have to come out of their cozy cocoons and
face some unpleasantness. You know when this
happens…when a civilization is
building, or facing ruins and even the most
dick head out there knows this is an Asian
era. As regards to the thinking power of
Americans..you know when they had food crisis
in America Bush said, “its coz Indians
consume so much of foodâ€. Yeah bushy
that’s why obesity is such a challenge
in your nation. And another
thing…don’t oppose the tide, or
else you are gonna drown and I am going to be
one heck of a happy person then crying
out…There goes Nair who was to India
what Aldrich Ames and Alger Hiss were to
America. Finally some great words from the
great actor Johnny Depp… “America
is dumb, it's like a dumb puppy that has big
teeth that can bite and hurt you,
aggressive.†Indians are some of the
most Brilliant, Adjusting, Quick Thinkers
world would ever come across. And we will
demand some of the best pays…just let
the time come. Its just a matter of time.
:)ou’re one heck of a Firangi chamcha
naa so for you in American style, “ No
offence dude. Was just being pleasant!â€
:)
Posted by: priya - 24 Jun, 2009
30: A remark like this totally childish coming
from a CEO. People in such highly responsbile
positions usually refrain from expressing
their opinions, however substantiated, in
public - leave alone an unsubstantiated
nationalistic slur like this one. It is not
an America vs. India war, as this esteemed
CEO makes it out to be. Large societies like
India and USA would not thrive without some
degree of meritocracy at all levels. Talent,
merit, character, integrity and honest,
industry are not brand based attributes -
rather they are built, nurtured and grown
over long term.
All said, I work in a large and a highly successful US company. I see no basis for Mr. Nayar's assertion. On the average, americans understand the business environment much better, keep their work like highly professional, and are better at meeting their expectations. True, their socio economic environment has not yet reduced them to a state of unpaid work in order to be spending 12-14 hours a day. Despite all the recent loot by the Bush, Obama &c administrations, some of the hard won socio economic benefits of employees remain in force in the US. Obviously, this seems like a state of sour grapes for the likes of Mr. Nayyar who are looking for cheap employees wherever than can. The US education system places a lot of value on inquiry, questioning, independence, developing one's individuality and self expression - as opposed to rote learning, conformity & targeting one's entire learning experience towards the next BPO or IT job that comes along the way. This is what the big 5 IT companies of India have reduced the vast majority of younsters to - to look up to nothing above and beyond their software sweatshops.
- Hari Krishna
All said, I work in a large and a highly successful US company. I see no basis for Mr. Nayar's assertion. On the average, americans understand the business environment much better, keep their work like highly professional, and are better at meeting their expectations. True, their socio economic environment has not yet reduced them to a state of unpaid work in order to be spending 12-14 hours a day. Despite all the recent loot by the Bush, Obama &c administrations, some of the hard won socio economic benefits of employees remain in force in the US. Obviously, this seems like a state of sour grapes for the likes of Mr. Nayyar who are looking for cheap employees wherever than can. The US education system places a lot of value on inquiry, questioning, independence, developing one's individuality and self expression - as opposed to rote learning, conformity & targeting one's entire learning experience towards the next BPO or IT job that comes along the way. This is what the big 5 IT companies of India have reduced the vast majority of younsters to - to look up to nothing above and beyond their software sweatshops.
- Hari Krishna
Posted by: Hari Krishna - 24 Jun, 2009
31:Nayar's comment should be taken in the
context in which he spoke. A services company
like HCL is always looking for people who do
the job in a certain way, follow the
standards to the letter. For this, the
American graduates who fit his description
are "unemployable". But it is also these
people who look for a quick buck and invent
the next best thing who make cause the big
changes in the world.
Ramses replied to: Hari Krishna
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
32: I am a graduate from Indian college working
in US. For last 10 years I have been building
teams in India and working with them. Recent
Indian graduates are smart, talented and hard
working but only few have experience of
challenges of building real products. Many of
them want to become manager as soon as they
have 3-4 yrs of experience under their belt.
As a result most of smart techies become
manager after 4-5 yrs and lose touch with
technical stuff and it is really hard to find
motivated and experienced techie in India who
has 7-8 yrs of good technical experience. The
quality suffers.
What HCL CEO says is bogus and unfortunate. You expect more thoughtful comments from a CEO. I have worked with HCL as well and I know for fact what I said above is true for HCL as well.
What HCL CEO says is bogus and unfortunate. You expect more thoughtful comments from a CEO. I have worked with HCL as well and I know for fact what I said above is true for HCL as well.
Posted by: Sameer Bhatia - 24 Jun, 2009
33: I would really happy know that that if HCL
CEO is using any Indian made software in
hislaptop. Who has made these operating
system,server,Ms-office and so many products.
I agree some of the Indian were the part of
team but this completely wrong statement by a
CEO of a company who is getting most of the
work from USA. I think whole India is using
the technologies which is given by USA and
some other countries not India.How can you
say this statement, even though you are in
service industry and getting the support work
of those product which is developed by
American.
Posted by: Rocky - 24 Jun, 2009
34:hahaha sahi kaha :) lol. Nayar need a
break
Shantam replied to: Rocky
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
35: American grads are over exposed and think
that they are too good to do grunt work to
build up their careers. By going to Harvard,
MIT, or Princeton, they think that they have
the right to mint money with little or no
intelligence or effort. The Indian grads, due
to high competition, have huge egos and feel
that they know it all
Posted by: Jeff Adams - 24 Jun, 2009
36: Yes, he is right. If candidates with same
ability and cheaper demand are available,
then no american is employable.
Posted by: Rajesh - 24 Jun, 2009
37:yes I agree
ABC replied to: Rajesh
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
38: commenting on western countries doesn't help
indian ceos should cocentrate how to make
better use of the resources available and try
not to play with the futures of the young
graduates bcause IT companies are hiring
gradutes and are not informing the students
when they have to join which is really
becoming a tough time for the young mass in
INDIA
Posted by: Dipika sahoo - 24 Jun, 2009
39: Nayar should ponder of Mr. NarayanMurthy's
comments when he said that 85% of the Indian
graduates are not usable. Now a days it is so
easy to get into engineering college in India
that in any other part of the world, thanks
to private institutions. I deal with Indian
as well as American graduates every day,
beyond a doubt that Indian Graduates from
IITs or Regional Engineering colleges are at
par to any American graduate, unfortunately
most of them Indian engineers graduating from
private colleges are not at all usable before
3-4 years of experience.
Posted by: Concerned - 24 Jun, 2009
40:Simply any fool can say in this blog,I am
dealing with Ind and Us grad , I am that, I
am this. There is not opt for us than to
believe rght? But Nayar, anyhow we can belive
he is CEO of an MNC...Hmmm
Responder replied to: Concerned
post - 25 Jun, 2009
post - 25 Jun, 2009
41: Mr. Nayar and his followers must understand
that Whatever Americans and rest of the world
invents, we are there only to do their
clerical jobs, petty coding or
implementation. Clearly they are the masters
and we are the slaves. Again, We get those
jobs only because we proudly project
ourselves as the 'cheapest' in the world. Do
you think, if we projected ourselves as the
most costly resourses because of our
excellant talents, we would have got even 1%
of these jobs, let alone the creamy jobs. On
the contrary, Americans, Japanese, Germans
are proud to call themselves as the costliest
resourses, and charge heafty for their hours.
That being so, What creativity are you then
claiming?
85% of this generation indian engineers, be it Electronics, electrical, mechanical or civil, all end up doing IT jobs, which does not demand engineering skills. Anyone who has his hands and eyes working, forget brain, can do these jobs. Thats why engineers, MCAs, B.Scs, Diplomas, even 12th and highschool dropouts do the same kind of tasks, and have same status, pay and recognition. IT, at least in Indian context is not for engineers. Inspite of using our engineering talents for these petty IT jobs, we should have used those skills for establishing internation indian products and brands. Americans understand this fact, that might be the reason Mr. Nayar is not able to find employable "engineers" from US to do his petty IT jobs. Remember, in all other industries like medical, engineering, law etc, position, recognition and tasks are according to qualifications. Wake up indian engineers, please have self respect.
Finally, what % of Indians have dared to create international indian brands when compared to Americans, Japanese, Germans. We dont have a single software product which the whole world use, only big IT companies working for Americans. Only one Tata that too only in automibile.
Dont pretent to be the masters when you actually have nothing in hand.
85% of this generation indian engineers, be it Electronics, electrical, mechanical or civil, all end up doing IT jobs, which does not demand engineering skills. Anyone who has his hands and eyes working, forget brain, can do these jobs. Thats why engineers, MCAs, B.Scs, Diplomas, even 12th and highschool dropouts do the same kind of tasks, and have same status, pay and recognition. IT, at least in Indian context is not for engineers. Inspite of using our engineering talents for these petty IT jobs, we should have used those skills for establishing internation indian products and brands. Americans understand this fact, that might be the reason Mr. Nayar is not able to find employable "engineers" from US to do his petty IT jobs. Remember, in all other industries like medical, engineering, law etc, position, recognition and tasks are according to qualifications. Wake up indian engineers, please have self respect.
Finally, what % of Indians have dared to create international indian brands when compared to Americans, Japanese, Germans. We dont have a single software product which the whole world use, only big IT companies working for Americans. Only one Tata that too only in automibile.
Dont pretent to be the masters when you actually have nothing in hand.
Posted by: Vinod Nair - 24 Jun, 2009
42:Hey for creating some software or any other
thing , we dont need only hies, But need
money. Americans have money so they
initiative for that and seeking indian
techies help for make it done. This is what
exactly going on here in this world
Responder replied to: Vinod Nair
post - 25 Jun, 2009
post - 25 Jun, 2009
43:yup definitely i do agry with what Mr.Vinod
said prior to this.....we should be more
innovative and avoid doing stereo kind of
work!
Mohit V replied to: Vinod Nair
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
44:i completely agree...we are slave like and
moreover we are making it a habit..lets be
practical and look around ourself...there is
absolutely nothing INDIAN in the
international technology market ...Indian IT
thrives only BY and FOR others ideas..
mav515 replied to: Vinod Nair
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
45:"Employability" depends on many factors. If
a candidate may be suitable for the post, but
his demand is not at par with what he can
produce, then he is not employable. In that
way most of the American are not
'employable'. I have many years of working
experience in different parts of the world,
including in US. Also worked with many
Americans. I didnt see anything big in them
other non-sense.
Rajesh replied to: Vinod Nair
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
46: He said american graduates are not
'employable' because they don't want to work
for a low salary and are not attractive to
the job market. They demand a stake in their
work which is good and which is a good reason
why they have been leading innovation. We
Indians are risk averse and our companies
atleast so far had shied innovation.
Nothing wrong with what he said and then for a country to develop we need two kinds of people the one's who risk and inovate and the one's who do the grunt work.
I don't think Indians are less creative it is just that they are content to have a secure job and an average lifestyle.
On the contrary our education systems have thought us not to trust our teachers(underqualified) not to trust our books(outdated)and not to depend on our system (no explianation needed)Indians inspite of working for these low pays are highly individualistic.
The recession is a blessing in disguise and soon the IT giants should start sheeding their inefficiencies and people would move to start ups
Nothing wrong with what he said and then for a country to develop we need two kinds of people the one's who risk and inovate and the one's who do the grunt work.
I don't think Indians are less creative it is just that they are content to have a secure job and an average lifestyle.
On the contrary our education systems have thought us not to trust our teachers(underqualified) not to trust our books(outdated)and not to depend on our system (no explianation needed)Indians inspite of working for these low pays are highly individualistic.
The recession is a blessing in disguise and soon the IT giants should start sheeding their inefficiencies and people would move to start ups
Posted by: chandramouli - 24 Jun, 2009
47: Its not Indian or American, Its all depends
upon the education system or poltical system
in the country that plays major role and
creates or destroy youth in becoming
employable or unemployable...
Posted by: Sarat - 24 Jun, 2009
48: Indians are hired because its just cheap
labour..... Talented Indians wont work for
Indian company when they are young.. they
join after becoming old.. and just be in fame
of the things. Accept the fact that Indians
companies dont innovate.. though Indians do
but not for Indian companies... The
environment in Indian companies is like stone
quarry... just folow instructions whether you
understand or not. Hence we are good at
outsourced boring useless jobs.
Posted by: Raj - 24 Jun, 2009
49: Hey people, every human is employable as long
as he/she has talent to perform the given
job. It is not dependent on Indian or
American. I am proud to be an Indian but it
doesn't mean I should criticise other country
men/women. It is true that Indian origins do
lot of hard work but we do have creative
individuals. Americans invented technology
but who took it to the next level....it is
Indians so it is an absolute balance. We are
a global citizen now so one should think on a
global level.
I personally see only one problem. Indians are very political in every sector, may be because we were ruled by Britisher’s who are snakes (Bites even those who feed them milk) I haven’t seen the kind of Professionalism which Americans has in any other country in the world. I may be wrong but it is a personal experience and opinion. As far as HCL concern, I haven’t heard anything good about them than bad including Perot System (Asia Pac, not USA) which was with HCL some years back. I personally know Perot has some HCL rooted pigs.
I personally see only one problem. Indians are very political in every sector, may be because we were ruled by Britisher’s who are snakes (Bites even those who feed them milk) I haven’t seen the kind of Professionalism which Americans has in any other country in the world. I may be wrong but it is a personal experience and opinion. As far as HCL concern, I haven’t heard anything good about them than bad including Perot System (Asia Pac, not USA) which was with HCL some years back. I personally know Perot has some HCL rooted pigs.
Posted by: karan - 24 Jun, 2009
50: No America educated Indian or Americans will
ever consider HCL an option.........so the
"umemployable" claim is baseless and
shortsigted.
Posted by: gambheer - 24 Jun, 2009
51: Hi Vineet, First give salary to HCL emplyee
and don't layoff employee already hired
employee then we think about the americans.
Posted by: ram - 24 Jun, 2009
52: No doubt what they are saying is true. An
american of today is incompetant, wants to
get rich quick - even if they have to sue you
for the heck of it, and don't want to work.
Average productivity of an American worker is
around 3 hours out of 8 and if you tell them
something - they are looking to bring law
suits and the laws of many states are filthy.
An average american costs around 20 times
compared to talent availability in the global
market. For example, you can get a far
better producing person in India at around
less than $1000 per month compared to some
one charging more than $1500 per day. Many
times, they just want to be on-board - just
to become eligible for unemployment
allowance. Moreover the American government
departments are run by old boys network - who
act like Mafias. The funny thing is - you
ask them information under FOIA - first of
all they delay or don't give you the
information. Even if they do, to cover up
their corrupt practises, they provide you
ONLY the information that you submitted and
that too REDACTED. And this country is
preaching others to go democratic and honest
- scammed hypocrats.
Posted by: jbc - 24 Jun, 2009
53: Mr.Vineet Nayar,
Why don't you just shut your mouth and mind your business, you should not bite the hand that feeds you, you contradict yourself...Americans grad's are unemployable, and yet You want to open a facility in US...you are bundle of contradictions.
This is my 10th year as HR Manger in the IT industry, having moved from the Sales & Mktg industry after 10 years of service, I can confidently say that I have never come across more dumber guy's than in the IT industry.period.
Why don't you just shut your mouth and mind your business, you should not bite the hand that feeds you, you contradict yourself...Americans grad's are unemployable, and yet You want to open a facility in US...you are bundle of contradictions.
This is my 10th year as HR Manger in the IT industry, having moved from the Sales & Mktg industry after 10 years of service, I can confidently say that I have never come across more dumber guy's than in the IT industry.period.
Posted by: Rambabu Potluri - 24 Jun, 2009
54:Mr Rambabu,
If you want to look at a more dumber guy,please have a look in the mirror....
If you want to look at a more dumber guy,please have a look in the mirror....
Anil replied to: Rambabu Potluri
post - 25 Jun, 2009
post - 25 Jun, 2009
55: I have been doing that since I was given a
mirror when I was a child...my image changed
drastically after I moved from Sales &
Mktg to the IT industry.Period.
Rambabu Potluri replied to: Anil
post - 13 Apr, 2010
post - 13 Apr, 2010
56:Rambabu,
I don’t know what u have learnt in your 10 years of career in IT. Don’t you know how to behave and respect our countries tycoons who work for India’s growth. You should note what the western CEO has told about our Indian techies. Get back your words first.
I don’t know what u have learnt in your 10 years of career in IT. Don’t you know how to behave and respect our countries tycoons who work for India’s growth. You should note what the western CEO has told about our Indian techies. Get back your words first.
Gopal replied to: Rambabu Potluri
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
57: Countries Tycoons... My foot...Countries
Bufoons....
A tycoon is someone like TATA
A tycoon is someone like TATA
Rambabu Potluri replied to: Gopal
post - 13 Apr, 2010
post - 13 Apr, 2010
58:Hello Rambabu,
First mind your words. Dont you know how to showcase your view on the Nayar's comment.
First mind your words. Dont you know how to showcase your view on the Nayar's comment.
Vijay replied to: Rambabu Potluri
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
59: I stand by my comments.
Rambabu Potluri replied to: Vijay
post - 13 Apr, 2010
post - 13 Apr, 2010
60: We need to change our mind sets, that
Americans can only do every thing, only then
can capable of outsorcing.
Why can't we create our own industry and boom in that.
And do everything here and not depend upon Americans for everything.
Why can't we create our own industry and boom in that.
And do everything here and not depend upon Americans for everything.
Posted by: Suresh KK - 24 Jun, 2009
61:I have something to say here i wont say
Indians are dumb but they are like programmed
computers they can only do what they are
thought but counterpart Americans think out
of the boxes for the given task ,,,,i been to
school in US i worked many of the American
guys their thinking and analyzing powers are
far better then an Indian guy,,,,our ideas
are confined to a box exactly speaking they
roam around a pole...we always see for
security then adventure(trying new things).
prabodh replied to: Suresh KK
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
62: Thinking on broader perspective, there is a
cultural difference between the two nations
and giving an opinion such as this, does
carry a deep understanding of the culture and
American system but wouldn't assure you on
the vice versa. To understand Indian culture
is far more complex then understanding the
American Culture. Look at major corporations
in the US such as Microsoft, Oracle, NASA,
IBM all these have a significant % of Indians
working and they have evolved giving products
that the world is running on, for e.g the
first pentium processor, the USB to name a
few products, there are many more such as
these. It takes lots of creativity,
understanding, Intense reasearch , Hard and
Boring work and do it yourself committment.
If Indian Techies are Motivated and Inspired
and offered the right platforms, there is no
looking back for India. India is a
Diversified economy with substantial talent
pool. Thanks.
Posted by: Yatin Shah - 24 Jun, 2009
63:What makes you think that American culture is
not complex? Have you studied it?
AAA replied to: Yatin Shah
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
64: Also don't forget that its the first Indian
generation that has seen globalization for
the first time after license raj. I have seen
IT "workers". Don't forget that US has
enjoyed capitalism since its independence...
these generations are an effect of previous
generations' hard work.
Do you still claim the next generation Indian graduates are also as hardworking as previous? ? ?
Do you still claim the next generation Indian graduates are also as hardworking as previous? ? ?
Yogendra replied to: AAA
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
65: Wow .. He is saying Indians are good because
we are cheap labor. There is nothing wrong in
dreaming about getting rich. Most certainly,
it is better than making this person rich at
the expense of others.
Posted by: AAA - 24 Jun, 2009
66:Well said. From the perspective of these
guys, IT employees are sheep who exist to
make these people rich. So to them Americans
are bad because americans want to use their
skills to make themselves money rather than
making these middlemen rich while slogging
for a pittance. At least the american wants
to dream of the next big thing and become
rich. These guys want to become rich by
making others slave for him.
Kalyan replied to: AAA
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
67: I am still wondering , why we Indian are
pointing out vineet nayar interpretation,
First of all we should understand what really
made him to fling those comments Right? He is
Not Jesus Christ to show other part of his
face to slap again Right? Several months ago
few western CEO had claimed that even though
India produces second largest number of
engineers in the world, more than half of
them are unemployable.
The above expression will make any Indian to bounce back Right? My dear friends
Lets stop using words like ceo etc . We are human beings & we do get reacted to certain comments that’s what Mr nayar did.
If anyone wants to squabble with me on this, then you should admit you are not a human being..
The above expression will make any Indian to bounce back Right? My dear friends
Lets stop using words like ceo etc . We are human beings & we do get reacted to certain comments that’s what Mr nayar did.
If anyone wants to squabble with me on this, then you should admit you are not a human being..
Posted by: Eliaas Emanuell - 24 Jun, 2009
68:i completely agree with you on your view
eliaas emmanuell
monzoor replied to: Eliaas Emanuell
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
69: Having made highly deplorable comments Mr.
Nayar is planning to open an HCL office in
North Carolina. Why?
Posted by: jpg - 24 Jun, 2009
70:Cos he thinks strategically to avoid
Americans, as they will be irritated to join
him and he can employ Indians...which is
economical...
Paul Antony replied to: jpg
post - 27 Jun, 2009
post - 27 Jun, 2009
71: This is a really irresponsible statement by a
CEO of a Indian based company. I am an Indian
working in an IT sector and deal with my
fellow Indians all the time. I have seen from
my observation that Indians lack creating
thinking. Simple things of getting work done
takes enormous amount of explanations and
emails before their brain sees the light
being on. I am not saying all are like that
but "what you get is what you pay for". This
CEO is expecting an outstanding talent for
the peanuts he wants to pay. You have to pay
a price if you want quality as they are
corelated.
Posted by: Cool Guy - 24 Jun, 2009
72:Please do not say that Indians are not
creative. They are creative, but they are
short of infrastructure...and now that will
be solved...
Paul Antony replied to: Cool Guy
post - 27 Jun, 2009
post - 27 Jun, 2009
73:Hey Cool Guy,
You seems like a waste. Because you are an Indian. Resign to your job.
First know how is american education and India education.
If Americal education is same as India, then say Indians are not having creativeness.
Still i will challenge you is any american guy can competate with Indian IIT Guy?..
Absolutely not. Because indians are so much talent when compared with the available educational system. First know about India. then talk about indian employees.
With out knowing any thing don't give any comments.
You seems like a waste. Because you are an Indian. Resign to your job.
First know how is american education and India education.
If Americal education is same as India, then say Indians are not having creativeness.
Still i will challenge you is any american guy can competate with Indian IIT Guy?..
Absolutely not. Because indians are so much talent when compared with the available educational system. First know about India. then talk about indian employees.
With out knowing any thing don't give any comments.
Vijay replied to: Cool Guy
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
74: Hello Vijay,
Why should An american guy compete with an Indian IIT guy? You compate among equals like American from MIT or Stanford or Northwestern to IIT. They may be close.
I do agree that with what we have available, are able to stand up to the competetion. Having said that, not all folks are talented. One has to pay better to get good talent. Also, tell me how many people get a chance to go to IIT and if you consider yourself knowing the system tell me why so many of IIT'ans prefer to work for MNC's or leave country for higher education?
Before you write something, know your facts you idiot.
Why should An american guy compete with an Indian IIT guy? You compate among equals like American from MIT or Stanford or Northwestern to IIT. They may be close.
I do agree that with what we have available, are able to stand up to the competetion. Having said that, not all folks are talented. One has to pay better to get good talent. Also, tell me how many people get a chance to go to IIT and if you consider yourself knowing the system tell me why so many of IIT'ans prefer to work for MNC's or leave country for higher education?
Before you write something, know your facts you idiot.
Cool Guy replied to: Vijay
post - 25 Jun, 2009
post - 25 Jun, 2009
75: Vijay,
I am not sure what kind of world you are living in. If you have ever worked with an American you will know the difference the very first instance.
I work with alot of Amsericans as well as Indians and it is very easy to notice the difference in the attitude and the efficiency of both of them. This is not generalising but overall thats the truth.
Most Indian engineers are good at mugging and repeating things the same way witout using their brain to improve on things to attain better efficiency, This is not true with Americans.
I am not sure what kind of world you are living in. If you have ever worked with an American you will know the difference the very first instance.
I work with alot of Amsericans as well as Indians and it is very easy to notice the difference in the attitude and the efficiency of both of them. This is not generalising but overall thats the truth.
Most Indian engineers are good at mugging and repeating things the same way witout using their brain to improve on things to attain better efficiency, This is not true with Americans.
Shyam replied to: Vijay
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
76: I will agree with your concern.I don't why
Nair gave such comment.
veeresh replied to: Shyam
post - 25 Jun, 2009
post - 25 Jun, 2009
77: There are certain number of Indian techies
who is far below average in their jobs (above
average in finding those jobs). You can of
course compare them with Americans and say
Americans are better than them. But not all
Indians. I also worked with Americans. I
could not see any American in that team
better than any of the Indian counterparts
Rajesh replied to: Shyam
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
78:I have to side with you on this. Indian IT
professionals are content to do the grunt
work. And in the absence of creative thinking
that's what they would be qualified for.
Besides, these professionals do not work to a
project plan, because they are so used to
work at a Task level. They wait to be told
what to do and glue themselves to a
technically savvy individual for their queues
on how to accomplish their technical tasks.
Communication is another major issue. Indians
of modern day India are prone to translate
concepts from their local language into
English. And we know how much can be lost or
miscommunicated in translation. And yes
again, Indian IT companies offer peanuts and
rightfully deserve monkies. Indians may be
technically savvy at the bits & bytes
level but never at a Project level.
Vineet Nayar's comment: "American tech students only enter the field to get rich or to dream up the next big thing..". He is right. American students enter all fields to improve their lot in life and maintain a high standard of living, something that Indian IT employers in the US are bent on destroying. And yes again - they are intent on dreaming up the next big thing. That's what innovation and progress are all about. And once they actualize their dream they outsource it to India!
Vineet Nayar's comment: "American tech students only enter the field to get rich or to dream up the next big thing..". He is right. American students enter all fields to improve their lot in life and maintain a high standard of living, something that Indian IT employers in the US are bent on destroying. And yes again - they are intent on dreaming up the next big thing. That's what innovation and progress are all about. And once they actualize their dream they outsource it to India!
Kaandi replied to: Cool Guy
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
79: It's true,indian are laborious & smart
worker.When they work for any organization
they give there heart & soul to the
company.Indians are not only creative they
are innovative too.The best example can be IT
is not come from india but it's run through
india.They know the difference between
efficiency & effectiveness better then
americans.Americans can be rich in terms of
money but they can not be rich in terms of
brain,energy,dedication & attitude to
make the improvement & required change in
the system. This is the basic reason that the
demand of the indian IT graduates are so
high.But i will also say this that it dose
not mean that american graduates are
unemployable,i am not absolutely agree with
the statement of vineet nayar(CEO,HCL).
Posted by: Sameer Shrivastava - 24 Jun, 2009
80: India is great country with history and
wealth of resources like people. But how far
we are utilizing out resources back in our
country.Still there are many engineers in
India who are selling books, vegetables
fruits .etc. It is not good to comment on
American tech Graduates because we dont have
the practical solutions / infrastructure they
have.
Posted by: Hitesh - 24 Jun, 2009
81: It may be patriotic comments to tantalize
Indians. But such comments from CEO look very
ugly. How can he forget that making such
comments about US and US people can have a
very adverse effect in HCL business.
Posted by: Sanjeev Singh - 24 Jun, 2009
82: Recently the American President has commented
that'"we (Americans)are lagging behind
Indians and Chinese in competing for jobs.Our
kids spend more time on video games where as
they (Indian and Chinese Kids) spend their
time in libraries.I think this statement
will, to certain extent analyze the ground
realities.
Posted by: Sekhar - 24 Jun, 2009
83:This comment by the US Prez points out why
Americans make less engineers a year. But
that does not demean the value of the
Americans who become engineers. I work with
alot of Amsericans as well as Indians and
sits very easy to notice the difference in
the attitude and the efficiency of both of
them. This is not generalising but overall
thats the truth.
Most Indian engineers are good at mugging and repeating things the same way witout using their brain to improve on things to attain better efficiency, This is not true with Americans.
Most Indian engineers are good at mugging and repeating things the same way witout using their brain to improve on things to attain better efficiency, This is not true with Americans.
Shyam replied to: Sekhar
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
84: Comment made by the HCL CEO is highly
deplorable. I am an indian and i feel proud
to be an Indian. But saying Americak Tech
Grads are not employable is taking things too
far. America is a friend to India and let us
not make them our enemies by making such
irresponsible comments.
Posted by: Raja - 24 Jun, 2009
85: Especially in today's economy, which is a
global economy, this is the most
irresponsible comment coming from a CEO. Even
if one irresponsible person starts a rage
with a comment, it is the responsibility of
the others to make sure it does not spread
like fire. Instead of nipping it in the bud,
continuing the conversation and debate, by
responding with equally irresponsible
comments, is outrageous.
No wonder, HCL is the most unfavorable company in India, as well as in other parts of the world.
No wonder, HCL is the most unfavorable company in India, as well as in other parts of the world.
Posted by: Disppointed by HCL, again - 24 Jun, 2009
86: Americans are money driven donkeys who eat
away the resources of other
countries(preserving theirs eg: iraq war).
They are updating their technology due to the
brain of Indians. They cannot in anytime and
in anyway pay back the dept due to the "Brain
Drain", which is happening in every sector of
science and technology.
Posted by: Jeevan - 24 Jun, 2009
87:Don't be absurd. The Iraq war doesn't eat
away the resources of other countries, it
eats away the resources of the U.S. Before
the Iraq war, the U.S. was running a surplus.
Now we have trillion dollar deficits.
Aside from Iraq, the U.S. hurts itself most
of all.
Having said that, I agree that many American students avoid "the hard stuff" and there is an emphasis on "getting rich." But I disagree that those who graduate from our tech schools are somehow inferior to those who graduate from tech schools in India and/or other places. It's not that those who graduate are inferior - it's that there are fewer Americans who choose any kind of engineering as a career in the first place.
It seems to me that while India excels in implementation, it's mostly American companies that excel at creating innovative new products and markets, Apple being just one example.
I happen to work in an American company in which most of the programmers are from India. While this is too small a sample to apply any generalizataions to, I would say that while our programmers are willing to work extremely hard, there is a total lack of imaginataion, strategy and quality orientation. They tend to care much more about how the tools they have chosen to use work than the needs of the businesses that use the software. And they have absolutely no practical training in user-interface whatsoever.
Having said that, I agree that many American students avoid "the hard stuff" and there is an emphasis on "getting rich." But I disagree that those who graduate from our tech schools are somehow inferior to those who graduate from tech schools in India and/or other places. It's not that those who graduate are inferior - it's that there are fewer Americans who choose any kind of engineering as a career in the first place.
It seems to me that while India excels in implementation, it's mostly American companies that excel at creating innovative new products and markets, Apple being just one example.
I happen to work in an American company in which most of the programmers are from India. While this is too small a sample to apply any generalizataions to, I would say that while our programmers are willing to work extremely hard, there is a total lack of imaginataion, strategy and quality orientation. They tend to care much more about how the tools they have chosen to use work than the needs of the businesses that use the software. And they have absolutely no practical training in user-interface whatsoever.
Frustrated Manager replied to: Jeevan
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
88: Iam a Indian but i dont care its fair what
Mr. Frustated Manager said. And i dont live
or work in US. The Indians or My country
fellows are really bothered about tools and
they dont concentrate or catch the concept
behind. No wonder in a last interview of
sourcing from India of Design Engineers ,
only 1 fellow got through after interviewing
12 so called best matching candidates. Sorry
it was not once it happened, sometimes we
came back taking no one. Now stop rubbing
your selves and calling ourselves as Super
Brains and so on. We are poor/ we want to
earn more and more support family atleast
parents , get married to a good looking girl
with lots of dowry or atleast property. I
keep on saying , and how many of your really
wanted to go to USA because you wanted to put
your brains to work there and help USA ..
whatever replied to: Frustrated Manager
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
89: Mya be to some extent you are right that all
Indians are not super brains. But at the same
time i dont agree with your last comment" I
keep on saying , and how many of your really
wanted to go to USA because you wanted to put
your brains to work there and help USA ." I
have many friens of mine who went to USA,
completed MS , PHD, did some research and
finally they are back in India. So they have
served USA and now they are here to serve
India. They could have easily continued to
stay in USA and earn money. Hope you got my
point.
Amar replied to: whatever
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
90: "how many of your really wanted to go to USA
because you wanted to put your brains to work
there and help USA .."......... absolutely
TRUE
Yogendra replied to: whatever
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
91:you are right. I think so.
Kunal Roy replied to: Jeevan
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
92: Well keeping in mind no offense to anyone I
just would want to add one thing there....all
those americans who think they are too good
with their linguistic and grammar are welcome
to compete with me AND Indians do development
work in technology whereas u americans
manipulate those technologies and call
yourself Creative?
Posted by: Namit - 24 Jun, 2009
93:I think you and Mr Nayar are totally
mistaken. It is my first hand experience in
the last few years that Indian kids are like
robots and can think outside the box.I can
understand this due to the parenting of
Indian children. However, you should see the
bright side they are I agree smart in some
ways but in other ways they lack logical
reasoning but I see the drive to finish. A
software company that we work has outsourced
some of the work to their counterparts in
Mumbai you cannot fathom the issues that I am
going through. I have to spoon feed them and
give them detailed explanation of the
requirements when it is essentially there and
implied in simple words. So in short there
was no need for such remarks on both sides.
jpg replied to: Namit
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
94: And japanese barely speak English and they're
some of the bests without hesitation :P
Posted by: priya - 24 Jun, 2009
95: Dear Paison,
teri maa ki...maybe it would be good for you to revisit your biology textbooks if you have such a thing with you. Brain is divided into two hemispheres. One in responsible for arts and language and other science and technology. Dude I suspect that none of yours work does it? You Americans are great english speakers...you invented the f___ word...can't beat you there.
teri maa ki...maybe it would be good for you to revisit your biology textbooks if you have such a thing with you. Brain is divided into two hemispheres. One in responsible for arts and language and other science and technology. Dude I suspect that none of yours work does it? You Americans are great english speakers...you invented the f___ word...can't beat you there.
Posted by: Priya - 24 Jun, 2009
96:good Priya, i think they need the only that
kind of attitude...
Akhilesh Tripathi replied to: Priya
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
97: And all Indians who arent i affirmitive
kindly resign. You guys could never break the
rooster coup. For details go read the white
tiger..
Posted by: Priya - 24 Jun, 2009
98: Mr. Nair - please take a look at your own
company before berating others.There are
clowns which HCL has employed who will not
even merit a job of of peon
Posted by: shanky - 24 Jun, 2009
99: Damn right. Americans are peanut brained
idiots who are unemployable. I wont vomit on
their textbooks...
Posted by: priya - 24 Jun, 2009
100: What mr. Nayar told is absolutly true.Indians
are trying to go in details as compare to any
other countrymen.There education system is
build up to make stong and basic fundamentals
more clear.They are good analyser.
Posted by: NITISH - 24 Jun, 2009
101: I think Nayar is a liar. Most Indian
graduates cannot speak a sentence of English
correctly. It is just very hard to understand
how they are good with technology without
basic linguistic capability.
My suspicion is, just like Nayar, most Indian graduates don't know one thing about their subject and have passed got their certificates through illegit means. They are just very good at fooling everyone.
Certificates don't mean a thing.
Btw, don't forget that the technology you claim to know so well was created by westerners. If they didn't do that you will be still sitting in your village and fighting over caste, region and religion.
My suspicion is, just like Nayar, most Indian graduates don't know one thing about their subject and have passed got their certificates through illegit means. They are just very good at fooling everyone.
Certificates don't mean a thing.
Btw, don't forget that the technology you claim to know so well was created by westerners. If they didn't do that you will be still sitting in your village and fighting over caste, region and religion.
Posted by: Sanju Paison - 24 Jun, 2009
102:I will like to elaborate on what Mr Sanju
said,There were Many Indian stalwarts in
science and Jagadish chandra bose,Megh Nath
Saha,Cv Raman to name a few,westerners had a
advantage of having large funds and
government support in there way which Indians
lacked as India was always supported by a
unstable government full of curroption.But it
is true many indians get forged degree
certificates to get to US also.Indians are
still fighting for foolish things like caste
,religion and region.
Arnab replied to: Sanju Paison
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
103: Sanju,
It’s all about irresponsible and ugly statement of one CEO. And it has noting to take with caste system and other things. The fact is that caste system and racisms exist in western world also. And still It has got a very bold and hidden hold in a country like US and UK.You are talking about forged degree certificates. I doubt that you may have such forged degree certificates. Please hold your words before you write anything about Indian especially on internet. I guess you need to go to school and learn more.
It’s all about irresponsible and ugly statement of one CEO. And it has noting to take with caste system and other things. The fact is that caste system and racisms exist in western world also. And still It has got a very bold and hidden hold in a country like US and UK.You are talking about forged degree certificates. I doubt that you may have such forged degree certificates. Please hold your words before you write anything about Indian especially on internet. I guess you need to go to school and learn more.
Sanjeev Singh replied to: Arnab
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
104:It's right that the technology was created by
westerners. I am just asking you that Have
you ever read the INDIAN HISTORY?
I think you haven't. That's why you thinking so.
Please don't think about anyone just like yourself.
I think you haven't. That's why you thinking so.
Please don't think about anyone just like yourself.
Kunal Roy replied to: Sanju Paison
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
105:How can you say like that ? what proof you
have, if you are calling Nayar, a liar,
having a illegit certificate?
who says you need to have a linguistic capability to succeed in Technology sector, you need a good brain, thats all you need.
who says you need to have a linguistic capability to succeed in Technology sector, you need a good brain, thats all you need.
Sam replied to: Sanju Paison
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
106: Well.. I agree with ur comment.. no
doubt..
Posted by: Nishant Tiwari - 24 Jun, 2009
107:What a non-sense...Only stupid can believe on
Nayar's comment..Indians lack
creativity..Most of Indian companies doing
grunt work.These companies are not Tech
Companies. How many Indian's Techies and
companies collaborate in open source?
avdh replied to: Nishant Tiwari
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
108:There was a time(15 years ago) we(Indians)
don't have any thing to compare with this
world. Now we have a talent and world is
comparing their talent with our talent. I
thinks its biggest achiviement of every
Indian techie. But still long way to
go.......aviod Nayar's like statements. This
is not out culture, we belive in work is
workship
Jaratan Raddop replied to: Nishant Tiwari
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
109: Yes, the dirty job what Indian IT
professionals do, you cannot hire an American
to do that. Indian IT professionals lacks
creativity. This is the reason, Indian IT
companies can do only donkeys jobs. Indian IT
companies do not have talent to build
technology and products. Indian professionals
cannot compete with IT guys in Russia and
East Europe.
Posted by: Oscar - 24 Jun, 2009
110:Hello Mr. Oscar, what do u think Indians
can't compete?
I think India was the laest hit country in the time of recession.Atleast Indian IT companies are doing donkeys jobs and saved themselves.Its not like US or other contries companies those are no more just because of recession.None of the Indian Bank got hit, but US and other countries Banks got hit worsely and so just because of them Indian IT compaies got hit because they did a big mistake by thinking that US and other Countries banks are far better than their own.
I think India was the laest hit country in the time of recession.Atleast Indian IT companies are doing donkeys jobs and saved themselves.Its not like US or other contries companies those are no more just because of recession.None of the Indian Bank got hit, but US and other countries Banks got hit worsely and so just because of them Indian IT compaies got hit because they did a big mistake by thinking that US and other Countries banks are far better than their own.
Abhishek replied to: Oscar
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
111:Oscar, It looks like you are a frustrated
person in your life. I don't blame you, but
it is a normal human tendency to show your
frustration and anger when you are incapable
and want to draw attention. Your words talk
of your wisdom and knowledge. Please do
something where you are atleast good at and
save US economy before it sinks further. This
is not the time at least to compete with the
best. God bless you
Raj replied to: Oscar
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
112:Well...yes I agree with your comments. This
statement is ridiculous that American
graduates are unemployable.
Abhi replied to: Oscar
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
113:
Dear Oscar,
Greetings… Mate, I am sure that there is no job which can be termed as “dirtyâ€, thus I would not second your so called noble thoughts. Survival for the fittest… is what Charles Darwin, this could be the only reason why American Industrialist are outsourcing the technical projects to India, we Indian may not be the best… but we are still better than Americans! Indian talent has been earning accolades since ages… go and do some Google on this… you’ll come across some interesting facts on ancient Indian technology. We have renowned mathematician and technology experts in India, only if you care to learn something from the wisdom and knowledge they carry. All American organization boasting of inventing new technology and products utilize Indian minds to say so. NASA, AMD, Intel, Cisco are some names among bunch of such companies…. :)
Vineet Sir, you said a right thing and man I salute you as you have guts to say so… I am a proud HCLite! We’ll still manage to bag projects from America as they know who is the best, you just said it and it created a stir!
Kudos :)
Regards,
Mayank Nauni
Dear Oscar,
Greetings… Mate, I am sure that there is no job which can be termed as “dirtyâ€, thus I would not second your so called noble thoughts. Survival for the fittest… is what Charles Darwin, this could be the only reason why American Industrialist are outsourcing the technical projects to India, we Indian may not be the best… but we are still better than Americans! Indian talent has been earning accolades since ages… go and do some Google on this… you’ll come across some interesting facts on ancient Indian technology. We have renowned mathematician and technology experts in India, only if you care to learn something from the wisdom and knowledge they carry. All American organization boasting of inventing new technology and products utilize Indian minds to say so. NASA, AMD, Intel, Cisco are some names among bunch of such companies…. :)
Vineet Sir, you said a right thing and man I salute you as you have guts to say so… I am a proud HCLite! We’ll still manage to bag projects from America as they know who is the best, you just said it and it created a stir!
Kudos :)
Regards,
Mayank Nauni
Mayank Nauni replied to: Oscar
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
114:Abhey Firangi !
Hotmail Kya hai? Intel Chip ? and who gave you Zero of 0101010101010101 of computers.
You did MA Philosphy ,We prefer Technology?
Hotmail Kya hai? Intel Chip ? and who gave you Zero of 0101010101010101 of computers.
You did MA Philosphy ,We prefer Technology?
Harry replied to: Oscar
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
115: how many times you stick with Zero or
Hotmail. Advancement want more and it
requires more discoveries. so we predict the
what happen next.
Praveen Kumar replied to: Harry
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
116: Russia and eastern europe --- this chap is a
joke
sdsrs replied to: Praveen Kumar
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
117: Americans may not be employable. But they are
shrewd enough to hire people(mostly Indians!)
and get their work done.
It is like debating whether a computer is genius or a man who invented it.
It is like debating whether a computer is genius or a man who invented it.
Posted by: Abhi - 24 Jun, 2009
118: Respectful CEO,
Well said, but, this could have been better to encourage India Techies directly without touching Americans.
Thanks
Gokul Rengarajan
Well said, but, this could have been better to encourage India Techies directly without touching Americans.
Thanks
Gokul Rengarajan
Posted by: Gokul Rengarajan - 24 Jun, 2009
119: Mr. Vineet Nayar quote has been taken up by
the media and concocted for bolder
ramifications than it was meant for. I am
sure a person of Vineet stature would use
appropriate words to address such an issue.
HCL Corporate Communication team will work to provide clarifications, which I am sure will surface soon enough. I think it could have been an internal communication that got routed to external communication :-)
On a another note HCL having so many US and global clients should have global teams to handle media relations and pr.
HCL Corporate Communication team will work to provide clarifications, which I am sure will surface soon enough. I think it could have been an internal communication that got routed to external communication :-)
On a another note HCL having so many US and global clients should have global teams to handle media relations and pr.
Posted by: Asheem Bakhtawar - 24 Jun, 2009
120: Well, it is really hard to comment 'for' or
'against' such statements. But on the
contrary we cannot refrain from commenting as
we (Indians) know really what Mr.Nayar has
spelt here. It is equally shocking to accept
the way (robotised) of our work contributions
extracted by Uncle SAM & even by some of
our own Indian companies. The work
atmosphere, living conditions, economic
situations, honesty of the fellow workers
& administrators (read politicians, govt
workers) lead to such situations to make us
Indians the ROBOTS & the Americans such
HEROES. Well we need to change the way we
look our country, in the same way we like the
developed foreign lands. Let us work for the
change & have the courage to rebel for
such inefficient leaders who have the powers
to shape our future.
Cheers to Hard & Intelligent workers!
Cheers to Hard & Intelligent workers!
Posted by: Ashok R - 24 Jun, 2009
121:Well Said Ashok .. I extremelty agree with
you ..
naushad replied to: Ashok R
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
122: This is a very sensitive topic and Mr. Nayar
should have been very discreet while making
such comments. It are such thoughtless
utterances that trigger HATE INDIANS
sentiments abroad.
Posted by: Harbans - 24 Jun, 2009
123: Being an Indian Techie and a member of a
larger tech community, I do feel terming a
set of people as unemployable is not wise
thing to do. There are non performing
elements everywhere. However Mr. Nayar has
mentioned the bitter truth, some people have
problems swallowing it. So be it.
Yes its true that we're not as expressive or demanding as some of our American counterparts but the fact still remains that we provide quality service and the world agrees to it. I don't really see any dearth of creativity/ innovation in Indians but expressions may be a problem somewhere. But in the times of economic crisis and survival of the fittest, we're the only option because we're quicker at learning and implementing than american counterparts and we don't throw tantrums every time.
Yes its true that we're not as expressive or demanding as some of our American counterparts but the fact still remains that we provide quality service and the world agrees to it. I don't really see any dearth of creativity/ innovation in Indians but expressions may be a problem somewhere. But in the times of economic crisis and survival of the fittest, we're the only option because we're quicker at learning and implementing than american counterparts and we don't throw tantrums every time.
Posted by: Divanshu - 24 Jun, 2009
124: Well, the comments above are true to a
certain extent. In US or any other country
including India you will find only 20% of the
grads as employable. But if this
disequilibrium is not there then every one
will try to become the CEO of the company.
80% of the company workers work like robots
and those who don't and try to excel, bags
the top posts. But in US, the American tech
grads might be unemployable because they
think that they are destined to deserve the
best. Its the attitude problem with most of
the Americans. I had been working on a global
basis and has been able to discover the fact
that the Indians fail to make their mark
because they fail to escalate the things in a
proper manner. Americans or Britishers are
pretty fast in escalating the things but
Indians despite having good amount of
knowledge and done good work fail to
escalate.
Posted by: Saurabh - 24 Jun, 2009
125:I completely agree with your views.
Efficiency lies with India
Nikhil replied to: Saurabh
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
126: Mr Nayar was either held at gunpoint to make
the above comments or was intoxicated. There
is no other rational way of explaining his
comments. I am surprised someone as senior
and experienced as Mr Nayar, who has the
daunting responsibility of growing HCL in
North America, would make such hair brain
remarks.
India has a long way to go before it can truly claim global leadership in cutting edge technology innovation and software development that rest deeply on domain knowledge.
India has a long way to go before it can truly claim global leadership in cutting edge technology innovation and software development that rest deeply on domain knowledge.
Posted by: IRS - 24 Jun, 2009
127: "Unemployable", tricky word is it not. The
Question is what exactly did the HCl CEO mean
when he said that American tech grads are
unemployable. He believes that the Indian
techies are easier to enslave than their
American counterparts. Indian techies don't
know how good they are and would keep working
as slaves until they die of old age. And if
knowing how good one is and expecting ones
worth makes you "unemployable", so be it...
Posted by: Shoaib Najeeb - 23 Jun, 2009
128:yah..shoaib.
Completely agree with you.An american is completely aware of his rights.And you cannot fool him that easily.
Completely agree with you.An american is completely aware of his rights.And you cannot fool him that easily.
shailesh replied to: Shoaib Najeeb
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
129: Nayar indirectly conveying that, Indian
Techies can take up any work that which makes
profit to company. However US Techies
basically aims for BIG. Nayar's view is
purely service oriented and he doesn't bother
to make India as a R&D hub.
Posted by: Ramesh - 23 Jun, 2009
130: Okay.well news
We prout as Indian but first it should be true and in fact. .
We should maintain it..
We prout as Indian but first it should be true and in fact. .
We should maintain it..
Posted by: YKGarg - 23 Jun, 2009
131: Even if you do not say who is
inferior/superior, you can always say that
Indians are inferior to none.
Posted by: Subramania Iyer - 23 Jun, 2009
132: Excellent comments. A gud step to encourage
Indian techies. Indian techies r superb,
industrious n more talented
Posted by: Ruchi - 23 Jun, 2009
133: May be it something true, but may not true in
all aspects. It is an un-doubted fact that
Indian Techi,are more industrious, workminded
and talented. But at the same time, All
American techi cannot be termed as
unemployable.
Posted by: Suri Babu Komakula - 23 Jun, 2009
134:I completely agree
Sartaz ALi replied to: Suri Babu Komakula
post - 23 Jun, 2009
post - 23 Jun, 2009
135: comments from Mr. Nayar is excellent , but
on other hand we need to check the issue
raised by some global CEO's on the creative
& critical thinking power of our
techies.Isn't it true to some extent
Posted by: jil - 23 Jun, 2009
136: THis fact is known by all CEO's of Indian
Companies but only thing is there are just
afraid to lose out on business from west if
they proclaim so. The CEO of HCL has indeed
shown great courage to present the exact
picture. I'm proud of him.
Posted by: rdx1312 - 23 Jun, 2009
137: Indian tech grades are not only technically
talented, but they cost comparatively less to
organizations. That's why, in India, most of
the companies are either planning to open or
have opened R&D centers.
Simply, ROI will increase by 200%+, if invested in India. And, in current situation (Global Economy Slowdown), who will not like to profit? Hats off to those half employable tech grads from India.
Simply, ROI will increase by 200%+, if invested in India. And, in current situation (Global Economy Slowdown), who will not like to profit? Hats off to those half employable tech grads from India.
Posted by: Gaurav Raval - 23 Jun, 2009
138: atleast some one give Solid reply to them
Posted by: var - 23 Jun, 2009
139: This is increasing the value if the Indian
techies in the global scale.
Posted by: Ram - 23 Jun, 2009
140:What Mr Nayar is saying is right. But how Can
Indian Techies capitalize on what Mr Nayar is
saying? Chinese are united. But Indians are
not. We need to speak with one voice
Sanjay replied to: Ram
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
141: We need to change our mind sets, that
Americans can only do every thing, only then
can capable of outsorcing.
Why can't we create our own industry and boom in that.
And do everything here and not depend upon Americans for everything.
Why can't we create our own industry and boom in that.
And do everything here and not depend upon Americans for everything.
Suresh KK replied to: Sanjay
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
142:It seems very encourging to all Indian
Techies ...But ..only worries is how to turn
into a good and productive results..I
completely agree on this points after reading
couple of articles on the same.
Another approach should be there to change people mind sets that American are good in everything....which not really 100 % true ...
Indian Techies are the BEST ...
Another approach should be there to change people mind sets that American are good in everything....which not really 100 % true ...
Indian Techies are the BEST ...
Satish replied to: Ram
post - 23 Jun, 2009
post - 23 Jun, 2009
143: I myself work for an IT company and seeing
for last so many years that Americans really
do what they do best, DEMAND and DEMAND ...
they don't even know what they are asking for
and what it takes to get that job done. NO
doubt we have to listen to there Fs and As
cuz there is no options left. Indian economy
is booming and if i'm standing any where at
the top and have to select from an american
or an Indian, i would like to pay higher to
indian and get my work done
Nishant replied to: Satish
post - 24 Jun, 2009
post - 24 Jun, 2009
144: Really interesting blog, keep up the good
work!
Posted by: flagyl online - 28 Aug, 2011
145: Really great article with very interesting
information. You might want to follow up to
this topic!?! 2012
Posted by: provera online - 26 Aug, 2011
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