'It's time for U.S. to learn from Indian R&D'
By
siliconindia news bureau
Bangalore: So far, while the U.S. played the guru in engineering education and training, India was on the disciples' side. But now the time has come for the guru to learn from its disciple, so writes Vivek Wadhwa, Wertheim Fellow at the Harvard Law School and an executive in residence at Duke University.
A new report, co-authored by Wadhwa for the Ewing Marion Kauffman Foundation titled 'How the disciple became the Guru', reveals that Indian industry isn't relying on India's education system to gain an edge, and instead, it has developed a surrogate education system that can turn workers with weak educational backgrounds into world-class R&D specialists.
India graduates around 200,000 engineers a year, though the quality of the students varies widely. India's main tech trade group, Nasscom, says that only half of these new graduates are employable. India also graduates 20,000 master's degree holders and fewer than 1,000 PhDs in engineering. By contrast, each year U.S. universities confer 130,000 bachelor's, 50,000 master's, and 12,000 PhDs in engineering.
Yet, the research at Duke University has shown that India is rapidly becoming a global R&D hub in several industries. Its scientists are doing sophisticated drug discovery for Big Pharma. Its engineers are developing next-generation networking equipments for several IT companies, building auto bodies, dashboards, and power trains for vehicle manufacturers.
The R&D jobs that result in these breakthroughs usually require advanced degrees. If one goes by the graduation numbers, India's R&D machine should be imploding, not expanding.
In order to become such a R&D hub, Indian industry had to rethink the way it recruited, trained, developed, and retained its workforce.
The report finds out that, in the recruitment front, as resumes and educational degrees can fail to reflect the true aptitude, potential and competence of job applicants, leading Indian companies now hire for ability and aptitude rather than only specialized technical skills. Instead of hiring only from top engineering universities, technology companies recruit from second- and third-tier colleges.
The companies in the country invest substantial time, money, and effort in training. Even the most senior executives participate in training new employees. The companies have built dedicated learning centers, and some employ hundreds of training staff.
The companies mandate that employees receive between one and three weeks of training a year in areas where they are weak. Many companies tie salary increases and promotions to the completion of such training.
Many companies also offer extensive management training, internally and externally through MBA-type programs. Moreover there are sophisticated systems that provide frequent feedback to the employees and allow employees to provide feedback on their managers.
A new report, co-authored by Wadhwa for the Ewing Marion Kauffman Foundation titled 'How the disciple became the Guru', reveals that Indian industry isn't relying on India's education system to gain an edge, and instead, it has developed a surrogate education system that can turn workers with weak educational backgrounds into world-class R&D specialists.
India graduates around 200,000 engineers a year, though the quality of the students varies widely. India's main tech trade group, Nasscom, says that only half of these new graduates are employable. India also graduates 20,000 master's degree holders and fewer than 1,000 PhDs in engineering. By contrast, each year U.S. universities confer 130,000 bachelor's, 50,000 master's, and 12,000 PhDs in engineering.
Yet, the research at Duke University has shown that India is rapidly becoming a global R&D hub in several industries. Its scientists are doing sophisticated drug discovery for Big Pharma. Its engineers are developing next-generation networking equipments for several IT companies, building auto bodies, dashboards, and power trains for vehicle manufacturers.
The R&D jobs that result in these breakthroughs usually require advanced degrees. If one goes by the graduation numbers, India's R&D machine should be imploding, not expanding.
In order to become such a R&D hub, Indian industry had to rethink the way it recruited, trained, developed, and retained its workforce.
The report finds out that, in the recruitment front, as resumes and educational degrees can fail to reflect the true aptitude, potential and competence of job applicants, leading Indian companies now hire for ability and aptitude rather than only specialized technical skills. Instead of hiring only from top engineering universities, technology companies recruit from second- and third-tier colleges.
The companies in the country invest substantial time, money, and effort in training. Even the most senior executives participate in training new employees. The companies have built dedicated learning centers, and some employ hundreds of training staff.
The companies mandate that employees receive between one and three weeks of training a year in areas where they are weak. Many companies tie salary increases and promotions to the completion of such training.
Many companies also offer extensive management training, internally and externally through MBA-type programs. Moreover there are sophisticated systems that provide frequent feedback to the employees and allow employees to provide feedback on their managers.
Reader's comments(18)
1
I am reminded of the saying "Shishyat Itchchet Parajayam" which means the Guru
should teach in such a way that the Chela defeats him. The tactics used by the
Indian industrialists to use the available personnel has not been taught by the
Americans to them but they devised it from personal experience. To this extent
saying the shishya has defeated the Guru is wrong.
Someone has defined "Research " as transferring bones from one grave to another.
So number of papers published in Research Journals can not be indication of
research ability. System of patents, trademarks and copy rights has been evolved
to enable creativity to benefit monetarily.
It is the creativity which should be compared between Indians and
Americans. No Indian tried to take patents on Zero, Decimal System, Yoga or
Ayurveda but one NRI tried to take a patent on Turmeric plant ! Microsoft is
trying to take patents on Indian scripts to be used on their software and soon
we will have to pay royalty for using our own languages in IT.
should teach in such a way that the Chela defeats him. The tactics used by the
Indian industrialists to use the available personnel has not been taught by the
Americans to them but they devised it from personal experience. To this extent
saying the shishya has defeated the Guru is wrong.
Someone has defined "Research " as transferring bones from one grave to another.
So number of papers published in Research Journals can not be indication of
research ability. System of patents, trademarks and copy rights has been evolved
to enable creativity to benefit monetarily.
It is the creativity which should be compared between Indians and
Americans. No Indian tried to take patents on Zero, Decimal System, Yoga or
Ayurveda but one NRI tried to take a patent on Turmeric plant ! Microsoft is
trying to take patents on Indian scripts to be used on their software and soon
we will have to pay royalty for using our own languages in IT.
Posted by:
Gangadhar Barve
2
I am pretty surprised at this piece of news. US to "learn" from Indian R&D? I am
quite shocked that some real good Industrial R&D happens in India. For one
thing, we are the kind of people who are best at and at best those who can take
a readymade technology and probably innovate a bit here and a bit there and may
show our mettle in fixing some annoying problem to the surprise of may be the
original creator, and that too mainly in software..
quite shocked that some real good Industrial R&D happens in India. For one
thing, we are the kind of people who are best at and at best those who can take
a readymade technology and probably innovate a bit here and a bit there and may
show our mettle in fixing some annoying problem to the surprise of may be the
original creator, and that too mainly in software..
Posted by:
Mahadeva Sarma
3
R&D is very very new to India, if you see the number of patents registered we
would know. Indian society lacks in having individual SPACE, which is were the
key to seeds of R&D are.
Coupled to that our living standards are such that basics RKM (Roti, Kapda aur
Makan) fulfillment is a challenge and its all about surviving. Its agonizing
when people coming to India except from African continent say that animals
living in their countries have a better life than most of the people living in
India.
Implementation and Enforcement of ideas & plans is a very important ingredient.
Leaders in the forefront both in government and private sector must have
foresightedness not only to make profits always and have shallow outlook.
Instead investment in R&D and create atmosphere, environment and the seeds for
growth of mankind instead of just thinking about profits.
Shocking truth in the Industrial Age - Has India got any monument or
architecture which is the best or one among the best ? The answer is None.
Except for the past history were we have Taj Mahal, Nalanda University just to
name a few outstanding things of the past.
would know. Indian society lacks in having individual SPACE, which is were the
key to seeds of R&D are.
Coupled to that our living standards are such that basics RKM (Roti, Kapda aur
Makan) fulfillment is a challenge and its all about surviving. Its agonizing
when people coming to India except from African continent say that animals
living in their countries have a better life than most of the people living in
India.
Implementation and Enforcement of ideas & plans is a very important ingredient.
Leaders in the forefront both in government and private sector must have
foresightedness not only to make profits always and have shallow outlook.
Instead investment in R&D and create atmosphere, environment and the seeds for
growth of mankind instead of just thinking about profits.
Shocking truth in the Industrial Age - Has India got any monument or
architecture which is the best or one among the best ? The answer is None.
Except for the past history were we have Taj Mahal, Nalanda University just to
name a few outstanding things of the past.
Posted by:
Imani
4
I am fully agree with the statement of "Only half of Engineering graduates are
qualified for employement bcoz there is lot of corruption going on in Indian
Education System.Each engineering College allowing more number of Student
through management quota.It will really creates harmful effect on future.But at
end some engineering college offering good quality education which results in
India is rapidly becoming a global R&D hub .Now there is strong need of each and
every engineering college have tie up with atleas 5 companies in respected areas
to provide practcal exposure.
Ashish Pune
qualified for employement bcoz there is lot of corruption going on in Indian
Education System.Each engineering College allowing more number of Student
through management quota.It will really creates harmful effect on future.But at
end some engineering college offering good quality education which results in
India is rapidly becoming a global R&D hub .Now there is strong need of each and
every engineering college have tie up with atleas 5 companies in respected areas
to provide practcal exposure.
Ashish Pune
Posted by:
ashish
5
More than half new engineers unemployable! Well India needs to investigate to
find the root cause of such a poor performance of the education system. Is it
because meritocracy has been abandoned and in place a reservation system has
been used? The reservation system clearly has taken a firm grip of the
education system creating a poor educational environment at a large cost to the
country.
Remember the US education system is based solely on meritocracy, is continuously
evolving and therefore has become a model for the rest of the world.
By the way if half the engineering graduates are unemployable, India is wasting
half the money in the engineering education? Can this money put to better use
else where?
find the root cause of such a poor performance of the education system. Is it
because meritocracy has been abandoned and in place a reservation system has
been used? The reservation system clearly has taken a firm grip of the
education system creating a poor educational environment at a large cost to the
country.
Remember the US education system is based solely on meritocracy, is continuously
evolving and therefore has become a model for the rest of the world.
By the way if half the engineering graduates are unemployable, India is wasting
half the money in the engineering education? Can this money put to better use
else where?
Posted by:
Raj Acharya
6
I do not understand the context in which the report is written, but i agree with
one of the comments above, which says Indian Education system is useless.
Creativity should be encouraged within the classrooms, mugging up and
reproducing should never happen.
Brain Drain - I do not understand this much when it comes to Computer Science. A
guy
who is out of IIT is not different from a Computer Science student who comes out
of a non-IIT, might be the case for other Engineering branches, for the fact
that we live in a Open Source and Internet world , and what the IIT'ian has
access to, most of the other students too have access too, and it all depends on
the dedication of the student in question, endurance, capacity to comprehend etc
etc. The only difference i can think off between the two is the tag, exposure
and the VC funding that can come by for an IIT'ian.
Give More opportunities - Opportunities for research are very low in India, a
chance to meet
like minded people are lesser. The Government should fund research projects,
and give
opportunities to the deserving, and by deserving i do not mean the Scorers in
School or the poor
- i mean, the ones that have the drive for it.
Exposure - Most of the colleges do not expose the students to the Industry, make
friends with
the Industry, by that i do not mean - getting a Gold sponsorship for the annual
event, tie up
for research projects and build sophisticated systems, let the students hack :-)
and become
more adventurous.
Quality of Computer Science Education: Given the high population, it is
difficult to give high
quality education to all, Hey teachers - point to the internet and give
examples of Open source projects and encourage students to participate in open
source development projects. when the
students are out , they are ready to face the industry and easily fit in.
Anytime, i would say the US is far ahead in terms of Research opportunities and
stuff,
and the quality of the education, what we are seeing in India is the impact of
outsourcing,
many companies opening up R & D centers, and not doing justice to R & D -lol ,
People who do not deserve to be in an R & D team, eing thrown into Research
projects, with
people who have no clue of running a Research project heading it and playing the
same
old card tricks , heheheh
one of the comments above, which says Indian Education system is useless.
Creativity should be encouraged within the classrooms, mugging up and
reproducing should never happen.
Brain Drain - I do not understand this much when it comes to Computer Science. A
guy
who is out of IIT is not different from a Computer Science student who comes out
of a non-IIT, might be the case for other Engineering branches, for the fact
that we live in a Open Source and Internet world , and what the IIT'ian has
access to, most of the other students too have access too, and it all depends on
the dedication of the student in question, endurance, capacity to comprehend etc
etc. The only difference i can think off between the two is the tag, exposure
and the VC funding that can come by for an IIT'ian.
Give More opportunities - Opportunities for research are very low in India, a
chance to meet
like minded people are lesser. The Government should fund research projects,
and give
opportunities to the deserving, and by deserving i do not mean the Scorers in
School or the poor
- i mean, the ones that have the drive for it.
Exposure - Most of the colleges do not expose the students to the Industry, make
friends with
the Industry, by that i do not mean - getting a Gold sponsorship for the annual
event, tie up
for research projects and build sophisticated systems, let the students hack :-)
and become
more adventurous.
Quality of Computer Science Education: Given the high population, it is
difficult to give high
quality education to all, Hey teachers - point to the internet and give
examples of Open source projects and encourage students to participate in open
source development projects. when the
students are out , they are ready to face the industry and easily fit in.
Anytime, i would say the US is far ahead in terms of Research opportunities and
stuff,
and the quality of the education, what we are seeing in India is the impact of
outsourcing,
many companies opening up R & D centers, and not doing justice to R & D -lol ,
People who do not deserve to be in an R & D team, eing thrown into Research
projects, with
people who have no clue of running a Research project heading it and playing the
same
old card tricks , heheheh
Posted by:
Simith
7
Having 7 yrs of experience with a Space R&D orgnization, i am puzzled by the way
new people are leaving R&D opportunities to join Software industry. I believe it
is not the money which attracts these guys. Our education system has failed to
cultivate mannered ethics of motivation. Lack of vision drives most academically
good people to bad attitude and short term goals. Few IIT's/NIT's have added
ethics based subjects in their normal course to tackle this issue. Most effected
organizations like ISRO and DRDO have started their own engeering institutions
to meet the future demand for quality engineers.
Rakesh Bhan
ISRO-Ahmedabad
new people are leaving R&D opportunities to join Software industry. I believe it
is not the money which attracts these guys. Our education system has failed to
cultivate mannered ethics of motivation. Lack of vision drives most academically
good people to bad attitude and short term goals. Few IIT's/NIT's have added
ethics based subjects in their normal course to tackle this issue. Most effected
organizations like ISRO and DRDO have started their own engeering institutions
to meet the future demand for quality engineers.
Rakesh Bhan
ISRO-Ahmedabad
Posted by:
Rakesh Bhan
8
India need to go long way to become US guru in R& D, how much India spend on
education , and in R & D?
education , and in R & D?
Posted by:
Rakesh
9
I am not sure what Mr. Wadhawa saw that Indian R&D produced to come to this
conclusion. I don't know of any new products that completely conceptualized in
India and brought to life here. I wish he quoted some specific innovations
rather than these broad statements of R&D centers.
In my opinion there are three main ingredients to encourage R&D in an enterprise
or country.
1) Willing to invest money and time for product to develop. As far as i have
seen all the Indian companies wants to invest 100 Rs or less today and expects
1000 Rs or more in an year or less.
2) Willing to accept failure by the companies and society. Traditionally only
about 10% of the ideas make it big and rest fail. If a company or society
doesn't come to terms with that fact and accept failure as a stepping stone for
success it is very difficult to take risk.
3) Education system that encourages creativity. Our education system focuses on
memorization and cramming of facts rather than critical analysis. In majority
of the exams in schools and colleges if you look at the question papers from the
last three years you can predict what is going to be there in this year exam,
such a system rarely encourages creativity.
conclusion. I don't know of any new products that completely conceptualized in
India and brought to life here. I wish he quoted some specific innovations
rather than these broad statements of R&D centers.
In my opinion there are three main ingredients to encourage R&D in an enterprise
or country.
1) Willing to invest money and time for product to develop. As far as i have
seen all the Indian companies wants to invest 100 Rs or less today and expects
1000 Rs or more in an year or less.
2) Willing to accept failure by the companies and society. Traditionally only
about 10% of the ideas make it big and rest fail. If a company or society
doesn't come to terms with that fact and accept failure as a stepping stone for
success it is very difficult to take risk.
3) Education system that encourages creativity. Our education system focuses on
memorization and cramming of facts rather than critical analysis. In majority
of the exams in schools and colleges if you look at the question papers from the
last three years you can predict what is going to be there in this year exam,
such a system rarely encourages creativity.
Posted by:
Srinivas
10
hummm I am currently working as a technical architect in a software company. I
get to earn much in this job.....but years before I was intrested in research. I
come form a poor family. I had scored 5 marks less for qualifying for the PHD
programme at IISC in bangalore india, I approached the dean of IISC and he
rejected my application he didnt head to the immense intrest I had.
well indians are corrupt and they will remain so if ppl at large dont take
enough measures to erase corruption from our minds.
I think if opportunities are given to intrested ppl they will make a difference
come what may they do not require heavy pays, mental satisfaction is enough most
of the time...money follows later.
Thanks for reading.
get to earn much in this job.....but years before I was intrested in research. I
come form a poor family. I had scored 5 marks less for qualifying for the PHD
programme at IISC in bangalore india, I approached the dean of IISC and he
rejected my application he didnt head to the immense intrest I had.
well indians are corrupt and they will remain so if ppl at large dont take
enough measures to erase corruption from our minds.
I think if opportunities are given to intrested ppl they will make a difference
come what may they do not require heavy pays, mental satisfaction is enough most
of the time...money follows later.
Thanks for reading.
Posted by:
Radheevar
11
what the heck? crazy nuts!! Get lost!! why are the indians compare themselves to
others? why can't they set their own trend. these companies are looking only
cost effectiveness as a major thing. we people are good in copying and going
after others, we don't have the ability to design a new concept or create a
revolution. - not only indians, chinese too. means we are simply the work force,
we don't innovate anything new. our companies work for other companies. we are
using and working with the technologies which others invented and think that we
are creating some thiing new. No, we really are working in some predefined steps
that's all. Nothing great. what the heck this crazy nut bringing up? researchers
all over the world are inventing new things this nut compare guru and disciple.
what a waste?
others? why can't they set their own trend. these companies are looking only
cost effectiveness as a major thing. we people are good in copying and going
after others, we don't have the ability to design a new concept or create a
revolution. - not only indians, chinese too. means we are simply the work force,
we don't innovate anything new. our companies work for other companies. we are
using and working with the technologies which others invented and think that we
are creating some thiing new. No, we really are working in some predefined steps
that's all. Nothing great. what the heck this crazy nut bringing up? researchers
all over the world are inventing new things this nut compare guru and disciple.
what a waste?
Posted by:
coolshepherd1
12
1. I feel that the Indian companies recruiting from second and third tier
colleges because they cannot afford the first tier or the brain drain from the
first tier?
2. The necessity to provide extensive training is due to lack of proper
education in the colleges today.
3. With costs in India going up steeply every day, I feel that only the overseas
companies already committed to India are going ahead with their plans.
With the advent of numerous private engineering colleges the attraction towards
basic sciences is dying. Will India head towards becoming an engineering hub and
the science research head back to the USA ??
I therefore feel that the article by Wadhwa is not presenting the correct
picture.
It is time for India to review its position quickly and take necessary
corrective actions. I feel that this is in the hands of CEOs to form good
collaboration with universities and also for the heads of universities to put
their best effort to revitalise the system, given that reservations are here to
stay.
colleges because they cannot afford the first tier or the brain drain from the
first tier?
2. The necessity to provide extensive training is due to lack of proper
education in the colleges today.
3. With costs in India going up steeply every day, I feel that only the overseas
companies already committed to India are going ahead with their plans.
With the advent of numerous private engineering colleges the attraction towards
basic sciences is dying. Will India head towards becoming an engineering hub and
the science research head back to the USA ??
I therefore feel that the article by Wadhwa is not presenting the correct
picture.
It is time for India to review its position quickly and take necessary
corrective actions. I feel that this is in the hands of CEOs to form good
collaboration with universities and also for the heads of universities to put
their best effort to revitalise the system, given that reservations are here to
stay.
Posted by:
Sankar
13
Indians are ahead in R&D although there are less no. of PhD's, simply because
our education sysytem is so grilling that our Graduates themselves are able to
do R&D.
And what reservation does, is also clearly visible here. We by giving
reservation are increasing the number of graduates passing out. But the survey
clearly says that many are not employable. If we see further, the number of post
graduates decreases sharply. And Doctrates, further down.
In a way, good are turning out to be better and better are turning out to be
best. And below standard are just the crowd.
What India & Ministry of HRD needs to focus on, now onwards is, providing
primary and secondary education to those who are under priviledged. A quality
education to those will raise the no. of Post Graduates and doctrates in the
future.
our education sysytem is so grilling that our Graduates themselves are able to
do R&D.
And what reservation does, is also clearly visible here. We by giving
reservation are increasing the number of graduates passing out. But the survey
clearly says that many are not employable. If we see further, the number of post
graduates decreases sharply. And Doctrates, further down.
In a way, good are turning out to be better and better are turning out to be
best. And below standard are just the crowd.
What India & Ministry of HRD needs to focus on, now onwards is, providing
primary and secondary education to those who are under priviledged. A quality
education to those will raise the no. of Post Graduates and doctrates in the
future.
Posted by:
Vaibhav K Mittal
14
One also has to think about long term because from what I understand, the
universities in India are not able to get good prof's because of lack of pay. I
think India should be able to generate decent quality graduates for R&D for now,
but I think it is going to go down in terms of number and quality. One of the
reason is that not many people (particularly) good students go in Masters or
Ph.D because they can make more money as a software engineer.
I know a friend who did a Ph.D in Physics at good Univ in India and did post doc
abroad in a very reputable institution and is currently working in software
because the money is more. India needs to address the fundamentals which has
been ignored during this growth period. If it continues to ignore, it will come
back bite later. Add to that the reservation saga one has go through, it is an
uphill battle for any bright students from the FC.
universities in India are not able to get good prof's because of lack of pay. I
think India should be able to generate decent quality graduates for R&D for now,
but I think it is going to go down in terms of number and quality. One of the
reason is that not many people (particularly) good students go in Masters or
Ph.D because they can make more money as a software engineer.
I know a friend who did a Ph.D in Physics at good Univ in India and did post doc
abroad in a very reputable institution and is currently working in software
because the money is more. India needs to address the fundamentals which has
been ignored during this growth period. If it continues to ignore, it will come
back bite later. Add to that the reservation saga one has go through, it is an
uphill battle for any bright students from the FC.
Posted by:
Rama
15
Take out reservations and age bar from the equation, instead help BC/SC and
other "deserving" candidates by free education and books; and I'm sure we will
see India soar higher into global realms.
other "deserving" candidates by free education and books; and I'm sure we will
see India soar higher into global realms.
Posted by:
Raj
16
Although its rightly mentioned in the report that the companies have their own
training system irrespective of the background of the engineering student but
the fact still remains that the quality is suffering as actual master mind
behind these innovative research ideas are very less and also the kind of work
average IT employee is given is testing and maintainence. The ones who are (less
in number) think tanks or actual application architects are sent from india to
take care of their offshore offices.
No doubt that India has all the talent seeing indians mostly inhabitat those
R&Ds in US too.
training system irrespective of the background of the engineering student but
the fact still remains that the quality is suffering as actual master mind
behind these innovative research ideas are very less and also the kind of work
average IT employee is given is testing and maintainence. The ones who are (less
in number) think tanks or actual application architects are sent from india to
take care of their offshore offices.
No doubt that India has all the talent seeing indians mostly inhabitat those
R&Ds in US too.
Posted by:
Abhay
17
It sounds good at the general level that Indian R&D is getting better than US
but it is not true at many levels. The pharma companies are doing outsourced R&D
similar to what IT companies do and not much of that is original research. Even
at universties and industries the level of creative and original research is a
very small fraction compared to that in US. Let us not get too proud about this
small fraction but we are in the right direction.
but it is not true at many levels. The pharma companies are doing outsourced R&D
similar to what IT companies do and not much of that is original research. Even
at universties and industries the level of creative and original research is a
very small fraction compared to that in US. Let us not get too proud about this
small fraction but we are in the right direction.
Posted by:
Sathasivan
18
Its a great news and we can be proud of this. Let U.S folks come back to India
and learn from us keeping their egos at bay.
and learn from us keeping their egos at bay.
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