TCS shows door to techies
Bangalore: Tata Consultancy Service(TCS), a provider of IT services, outsourcing and business solutions, has asked about 20 employees to leave the company, for providing false records. Followed by the background verification, the company, identified the falsities in the CVs produced by the employees.
Being a customer-focused organisation, TCS took the step maintaining proper security measures. An internal investigation was launched to check on the impaired profiles and everyone involved in it, as stated by a senior official of the company. Every errant employee is issued a notice of vacating his/her respective posts. TCS is not the first one for such a move as there are other firms like Infosys, Satyam and Wipro who already have taken similar strong steps against fudged resumes. Wipro has even been reported to be sharing the database of the job applicants with false resumes; with other IT firms, to check on the grave problem.
Discrepancies in the CV have been in an increasing route. Ashish Dehade, Managing Director (West Asia), First Advantage says, "The percentage has been increasing. In 2006, it was 16-17 percent, for 2007 it was 30 percent and while we are just six months into 2008 the percentage is around 30 percent."
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Comment 1: hello sir i have less than 60% in 12th class so i m not being eligible for top m..n.c min e one friend have got selection through fake resume(wrote much percent in 12th class for fullfill the criteria) so now what i have to do)
Posted by : sumit jain - Wednesday, August 13, 2008
Posted by : sumit jain - Wednesday, August 13, 2008
Comment 2: faking resumes has been an old practise and i do agree that the person faking the CV should be subject to immediate termination...but this definitely is a wake up call for the HR professionals to keely cross check the point of references or apart from taking professional references take a few academic references too just to be sure...to check whether the CV is fake or not...read a few pointers at: http://www.globalservicesmedia.com/WP02/?p=246
Posted by : Namita - Monday, July 28, 2008
Posted by : Namita - Monday, July 28, 2008
Comment 3: I agree with RB's comments. Faking a CV or resume is unethical and grounds for dismissal, period. Firms here do routine background checks to prevent this before the person gets in the door.
As for the comment about "how do freshers [new grads]" get a job if openings require 2-3 years experience... Well, gee, guess what's happening in the U.S.? With entry-level coding jobs outsourced to India and China, most of the positions left here require very experienced developers, architects, and project managers with 8+ years experience. I don't have an answer, but faking experience is NOT a solution.
Posted by : US Sourcing Mgr - Friday, July 25, 2008
As for the comment about "how do freshers [new grads]" get a job if openings require 2-3 years experience... Well, gee, guess what's happening in the U.S.? With entry-level coding jobs outsourced to India and China, most of the positions left here require very experienced developers, architects, and project managers with 8+ years experience. I don't have an answer, but faking experience is NOT a solution.
Posted by : US Sourcing Mgr - Friday, July 25, 2008
Comment 4: This is really strong step taken by many co's , which is really required by looking company perspective as well professionalists (Loyal to the company). very much appreciate.
Posted by : Ishwarayya Hiremath - Friday, July 25, 2008
Posted by : Ishwarayya Hiremath - Friday, July 25, 2008
Comment 5: Most of the Job Positions now-a-days are of minimum 2-3 years of experience, then where the freshers will go, they have to make fake rsumes and get fake experience letters. They have to get in to a company to get experience.
Posted by : Jitendra - Tuesday, July 22, 2008
Posted by : Jitendra - Tuesday, July 22, 2008
Comment 6: The Indian MNC's like TCS are of no use and good for nothing.
Just for a namesake and to keep itself in the ratrace, it does this kinda stuff.
Dont have skilled people and doesnt even have good projects.
People working over there just know how to bullshit and are the biggest blunders in IT.
Posted by : Nikhil - Tuesday, July 22, 2008
Just for a namesake and to keep itself in the ratrace, it does this kinda stuff.
Dont have skilled people and doesnt even have good projects.
People working over there just know how to bullshit and are the biggest blunders in IT.
Posted by : Nikhil - Tuesday, July 22, 2008
Comment 7: IT Companies in INDIA follow double standards. These Top comapnies which claim to have best HR Practices , fail to identify the fake resumes during the Recruiting Process.
In most fo the cases inspite of knowing the candidates are having fake experience , HR still hires them to meet their individual targets.
Why do companies forget the standards at the time of biding project by projecting fabricated resumes as per the client requirement
?
I belive that these refernce checks should be done at the recruiting level itself to aviod such situations also the comapnies should start practicing what they speak and belive .
PAPER PEOPLE , PAPER COMPANIES !!
Posted by : Russy - Monday, July 21, 2008
In most fo the cases inspite of knowing the candidates are having fake experience , HR still hires them to meet their individual targets.
Why do companies forget the standards at the time of biding project by projecting fabricated resumes as per the client requirement
?
I belive that these refernce checks should be done at the recruiting level itself to aviod such situations also the comapnies should start practicing what they speak and belive .
PAPER PEOPLE , PAPER COMPANIES !!
Posted by : Russy - Monday, July 21, 2008
Comment 8: I have seen many comments against the article and found that many people are in favor of faking the CV. What a disgrace! It seems that "when I see others are doing bad things, I have every right to be bad"!! What a shame! If TCS is faking CV, so do the TCSer's! What a poor defending strategy!
If something is bad, it cannot be defended just by saying that there are other people who are bad. Now dishonesty is in the core of many people and people are loosing moral values. It is dreadful phenomenon that so many people could dare to defend the culprits.
Posted by : RB - Monday, July 21, 2008
If something is bad, it cannot be defended just by saying that there are other people who are bad. Now dishonesty is in the core of many people and people are loosing moral values. It is dreadful phenomenon that so many people could dare to defend the culprits.
Posted by : RB - Monday, July 21, 2008
Comment 9: First of all I really felt bad for those 20 people. I wonder How can these companies talk about integrity when they do anything to fetch project from client? From my experience with these companied for more than 8 years, I know how these companies violate and bend the rules. Following are some examples
(i) Faking resumes with the client
(ii) For eg. none of these companies provide NI details in UK (National Insurance no. is must here in UK) when people are in Work permit. They even refuse to give salary slips so that they can't aooly for any other visas (also by not paying NI, they can save money (Employers have to pay employee and employer NI)
(iii) No value for enployees
These sacked employees should not get panicked and they should go legally.According to Indian labour law, any employer can sack an employee after a court type mutual trial and has to prove him guilty. If not they can sue. I bet if these employees unite and file a common legal notice, TCS HRs will shit on their pants.
Believe me I have done it for my Wife (another Big IT consultancy which talks a lot about integrity shit) and they refuse to give the experience for 3 years. I sent a legal notice (By the help of some famous Labor lawyer) and got Experience/Service certificate next week. They clearly know that is illegal and still they do coz they think IT people does not have guts to do that.
-Nalla
Posted by : cITy Boy - Monday, July 21, 2008
(i) Faking resumes with the client
(ii) For eg. none of these companies provide NI details in UK (National Insurance no. is must here in UK) when people are in Work permit. They even refuse to give salary slips so that they can't aooly for any other visas (also by not paying NI, they can save money (Employers have to pay employee and employer NI)
(iii) No value for enployees
These sacked employees should not get panicked and they should go legally.According to Indian labour law, any employer can sack an employee after a court type mutual trial and has to prove him guilty. If not they can sue. I bet if these employees unite and file a common legal notice, TCS HRs will shit on their pants.
Believe me I have done it for my Wife (another Big IT consultancy which talks a lot about integrity shit) and they refuse to give the experience for 3 years. I sent a legal notice (By the help of some famous Labor lawyer) and got Experience/Service certificate next week. They clearly know that is illegal and still they do coz they think IT people does not have guts to do that.
-Nalla
Posted by : cITy Boy - Monday, July 21, 2008
Comment 10: Those who think that persons who fake are killing the progress of genuine ones is not real. how can they say that they are talented does all genuine ones have more potential and capability than the ones who are fake
its not true in india certificatesand degrees dont speak the truth always
so kindly respect the talent not the certificates.if you think like that then speak after competing and winning against every one who is fake
and one more thing 3 yrs of experience for one person may be different to another person with same experience its how much grasp that is what matters
Posted by : srikanth - Monday, July 21, 2008
its not true in india certificatesand degrees dont speak the truth always
so kindly respect the talent not the certificates.if you think like that then speak after competing and winning against every one who is fake
and one more thing 3 yrs of experience for one person may be different to another person with same experience its how much grasp that is what matters
Posted by : srikanth - Monday, July 21, 2008
Comment 11: hi all,
This is very much unfair to the Techies fired from the company ,just think why this happened ,there are few experiences i have seen in my group of friends ,some of them very much talented but when ever they went o interview ,the HR used to say the ur a 2nd Class Student so ur unfit for our company ,due to this they waste their time for 2.5 years ,bcoz where ever they go they used to see only 2-5 years exp candidates are required or "NO FRESHERS PLEASE" then where the hell the freshers go ,how can they survive so these fake exp are need to be developed ,there is nothing wrong because this is india ,even i knew some people in TCS still thery are workignw with fake exp in Hyderabad Branch,upto my knowledge there are around 5-10 of my friends if this is the case and TCS wants no fake exp in their company then ask them to start search first from project managers to lower category
Posted by : Ram - Sunday, July 20, 2008
This is very much unfair to the Techies fired from the company ,just think why this happened ,there are few experiences i have seen in my group of friends ,some of them very much talented but when ever they went o interview ,the HR used to say the ur a 2nd Class Student so ur unfit for our company ,due to this they waste their time for 2.5 years ,bcoz where ever they go they used to see only 2-5 years exp candidates are required or "NO FRESHERS PLEASE" then where the hell the freshers go ,how can they survive so these fake exp are need to be developed ,there is nothing wrong because this is india ,even i knew some people in TCS still thery are workignw with fake exp in Hyderabad Branch,upto my knowledge there are around 5-10 of my friends if this is the case and TCS wants no fake exp in their company then ask them to start search first from project managers to lower category
Posted by : Ram - Sunday, July 20, 2008
Comment 12:
Why fake techies:
1: Not able to get in to industries as a fresher...RT? If so then doesn’t he has the potential to work in the present IT scenario?
2: Companies know they are hiring fake techies as they want to be top 10 by 2010.Even HR & technical panel know this bcoz they have the target to fill-up as per the Company. And Company has to bid the project for its survival.
3: Where they will find the real tech candidate with 2-3 yr of exp? 90% of candidates joined as a fresher will never leave the present org/comp, becoz they will never get a good identity or position or even money within a new org.
4: Lack of techies in India forces companies to hire fresh simple BSc.graduates. Rather fack techies can be good for the org for good billing. About, which company is much more aware.
So Candidates as well the Company they both are known each-other.
Why and how this sacking:
1: If company is sacking then should do it within 2-3 month of the joining or better you do it before giving the offer letter to the candidates. This is not faire to sack an employee after 2-3 yr’s of joining.
2: The Company can’t claim that they spent more on the candidates rather company earned from client more than 100% of what it spent on the candidates.
3: If it’s about the poor performance issue and unallocation then I am in agree with the process. When It is the mater of total dedication towards work, high performance, and after that company is sacking then the org don’t know how to do the business as well n never care for the value for it’s candidates.
Just to mention that fake techies know, learned, and struggled and they came through the interview process making them able as same as a experience candidates. So you can’t ignore their talent and dedication.
4: Lastly within the organization they also forces candidates to go through a fack CV to impress the Client irrespective of his previous experience on the technology. Only to achieve the target revenue.
Here in this particular sacking process by TCS includes mostly dedicated, high performance tech candidate, who has spent 1 to 4 yr’s of his dedicated service towards the company.
A request to The Chairman of TATA group of Companies Sir Ratan TATA also to the CEO of TCS S.Ramadurai to think twice before you take such an unfair steps to sack employee having 2-3yr’s of their dedicated service towards your organization. They are stepping towards a new goal of their life at this stage such as going to get married, a new house, also a lot of responsibility. Don’t take the rice tray away from a Hungry fellow.
Posted by : sudipta - Saturday, July 19, 2008
Why fake techies:
1: Not able to get in to industries as a fresher...RT? If so then doesn’t he has the potential to work in the present IT scenario?
2: Companies know they are hiring fake techies as they want to be top 10 by 2010.Even HR & technical panel know this bcoz they have the target to fill-up as per the Company. And Company has to bid the project for its survival.
3: Where they will find the real tech candidate with 2-3 yr of exp? 90% of candidates joined as a fresher will never leave the present org/comp, becoz they will never get a good identity or position or even money within a new org.
4: Lack of techies in India forces companies to hire fresh simple BSc.graduates. Rather fack techies can be good for the org for good billing. About, which company is much more aware.
So Candidates as well the Company they both are known each-other.
Why and how this sacking:
1: If company is sacking then should do it within 2-3 month of the joining or better you do it before giving the offer letter to the candidates. This is not faire to sack an employee after 2-3 yr’s of joining.
2: The Company can’t claim that they spent more on the candidates rather company earned from client more than 100% of what it spent on the candidates.
3: If it’s about the poor performance issue and unallocation then I am in agree with the process. When It is the mater of total dedication towards work, high performance, and after that company is sacking then the org don’t know how to do the business as well n never care for the value for it’s candidates.
Just to mention that fake techies know, learned, and struggled and they came through the interview process making them able as same as a experience candidates. So you can’t ignore their talent and dedication.
4: Lastly within the organization they also forces candidates to go through a fack CV to impress the Client irrespective of his previous experience on the technology. Only to achieve the target revenue.
Here in this particular sacking process by TCS includes mostly dedicated, high performance tech candidate, who has spent 1 to 4 yr’s of his dedicated service towards the company.
A request to The Chairman of TATA group of Companies Sir Ratan TATA also to the CEO of TCS S.Ramadurai to think twice before you take such an unfair steps to sack employee having 2-3yr’s of their dedicated service towards your organization. They are stepping towards a new goal of their life at this stage such as going to get married, a new house, also a lot of responsibility. Don’t take the rice tray away from a Hungry fellow.
Posted by : sudipta - Saturday, July 19, 2008
Comment 13: what the hell this giant employers are doing ....
TCS & other firm need Professional's skill? or their certificate and records of history.......
if they want certificates than there are lots of Engg. college which are distributing degrees on the cost of 4yrs & 5-6 Lacs of amount where a 3rd div. students get the IT, Comp Sc. & Elex degree ....
go and get them and than look at there performance they contribute to their Firm ....
Posted by : sandeep tiwary - Friday, July 18, 2008
TCS & other firm need Professional's skill? or their certificate and records of history.......
if they want certificates than there are lots of Engg. college which are distributing degrees on the cost of 4yrs & 5-6 Lacs of amount where a 3rd div. students get the IT, Comp Sc. & Elex degree ....
go and get them and than look at there performance they contribute to their Firm ....
Posted by : sandeep tiwary - Friday, July 18, 2008
Comment 14: Those person who justify TCS action against the person who served this comapany for last 2/3/4 years ,a gentle question to them if they will ditch their parents if come to know that they are brought up with the black money their parents have earned..............just go to those people ask ask them in what situation they adopted those steps.............come on man we are living in a country where for getting a admission in a hospital we need to bribe doctors............dont talk about integrity in India........man...............i very well know how in IT industry(Most in TCS)...........project manager themselves fake their associate,
's cv to bag project from client.........where they have to bag contract ahead of other vendors..................
Posted by : sonali - Friday, July 18, 2008
's cv to bag project from client.........where they have to bag contract ahead of other vendors..................
Posted by : sonali - Friday, July 18, 2008
Comment 15: It is very heartening to know that TCS sacked 20 employees.............. but ofcourse this is good as the candidates who attend interviews henceforth cannot fake their records, and this in turn will provide a positive and condusive atmosphere in the IT industry. Y should candidates submit false records in their CV's?................It is ultimately the company and the client, who are in loss b'coz of this guys. Hence, companies should be thorough enough to validate the candidates records before he joins the company, but it is not good that the companies ask these employees to leave, when they have no projects in hand..........
Posted by : Bharat Chillakuri - Friday, July 18, 2008
Posted by : Bharat Chillakuri - Friday, July 18, 2008
Comment 16: The story is not completely true; In the resume no one fill it honestly. Some discrepency always there in resume. Regarding fake certificates, if the employee is critical for the company; companies cover it knowingly; but for the float engineer; they have the reason to save cost.
Posted by : Dilip - Friday, July 18, 2008
Posted by : Dilip - Friday, July 18, 2008
Comment 17: Friends,
I did analysis of V.K. Rajan, he is a saddist, old crap and above 40 years who has developed inferiority complex b.cos of his overage.
Cheers!!!!
Posted by : Sudheer - Friday, July 18, 2008
I did analysis of V.K. Rajan, he is a saddist, old crap and above 40 years who has developed inferiority complex b.cos of his overage.
Cheers!!!!
Posted by : Sudheer - Friday, July 18, 2008
Comment 18: I think this person V.K.Rajan is out of his mind. He is a crazy nut. See the way he has written that "if making a living by doing something honest has become impossible for someone, he must rather choose not to live". People cannot survive on all this philosophical filmi dialogues. He should first refrain himself from giving this type of silly comments.
Posted by : Lava K. - Friday, July 18, 2008
Posted by : Lava K. - Friday, July 18, 2008
Comment 19: Mr. V.K Rajan, don't try to be over innocent. You are trying to make a fool of yourself. If you are really a genuine I.T professional, then you must be knowing about back door entry. Though I don't possess any fake experience, still I support people who are technically strong in their subject and taken use of fake certificates. When a person is doing his work sincerely and completing his assignments without any problem, then what's the harm in it? People like you who have poor G.K are not capable to stay in I.T Industry and need to retire at the earliest - Take sanyas man. U don't deserve to be in software industry.
Posted by : Rajesh - Friday, July 18, 2008
Posted by : Rajesh - Friday, July 18, 2008
Comment 20: I found some people justifying faked certificates. I guess these people themselves have faked atleast some of their certificates. In my opinion, all those who have faked their certificates must be sacked. They must not be allowed to make fools of others who have worked hard to get their certificates. I do not know about this backdoor entry stuff that Mr. Mukarrum speaks about, nor did I ever had the need to know about it. But if such a thing exits, instead of trying to use it for my own gains, I would try to get it closed and chuck out all those who have used it. A wrong thing does not becoame a right thing just because many people are doing it.
If making a living by doing something honest has become impossible for someone, he must rather choose not to live. It is better than leading a life sustained through foul means. People with dishonest mindsets must be ostracized by the business world. They can build their own world; they already have, in fact.
Posted by : V K Rajan - Thursday, July 17, 2008
If making a living by doing something honest has become impossible for someone, he must rather choose not to live. It is better than leading a life sustained through foul means. People with dishonest mindsets must be ostracized by the business world. They can build their own world; they already have, in fact.
Posted by : V K Rajan - Thursday, July 17, 2008
Comment 21: i feel that TCsa has absolutely taken the right step in being able to fire these employees who are faking.Integrity issues should never be tolerated- this is what I have learnt is my organisation.
but with all due respect, Mr Mukarrum, to say that call centers are showing 10 class passes to be able to earn 40k is a little too much. Even BPOs have started hiring only graduates, and this is something I know as I am working for Convergys. The only trouble is, all the wrong things abt BPOs are highlighted in the media so much, and plus peer pressure forces youngsters to take that step.
What needs to be inculcated is an awareness at all levels. Freshers in Software companies are faced with the reality that they would be earning very less in the beginning and it takes a whole lot of years to get to a certain level. So rather than taking the hard way, lots of them prefer to take the easy way out, listening to others, and they also might be unlucky to have got caught.
In other words, the issue to be tackled here is a relatively easier channel to be able to succeed in the software industry as a fresher. Always remember that in today's times, it is v easy to find out about an employee as information is just a phone call or a click away. You might be lucky sometimes, but not all the times, especially when you want to get promoted.
Posted by : mohnish bose - Wednesday, July 16, 2008
but with all due respect, Mr Mukarrum, to say that call centers are showing 10 class passes to be able to earn 40k is a little too much. Even BPOs have started hiring only graduates, and this is something I know as I am working for Convergys. The only trouble is, all the wrong things abt BPOs are highlighted in the media so much, and plus peer pressure forces youngsters to take that step.
What needs to be inculcated is an awareness at all levels. Freshers in Software companies are faced with the reality that they would be earning very less in the beginning and it takes a whole lot of years to get to a certain level. So rather than taking the hard way, lots of them prefer to take the easy way out, listening to others, and they also might be unlucky to have got caught.
In other words, the issue to be tackled here is a relatively easier channel to be able to succeed in the software industry as a fresher. Always remember that in today's times, it is v easy to find out about an employee as information is just a phone call or a click away. You might be lucky sometimes, but not all the times, especially when you want to get promoted.
Posted by : mohnish bose - Wednesday, July 16, 2008
Comment 22: Hi all,
How many of your colleagues or friends have faked their docs????
Strict Verification process drives INDIA into unemployment again. Thanks to call centers giving way to even 10th pass to earn a sal of about 40k per month. If big companies are so concerned about their employees they must have a common entrance test cell something like a CET for professional courses to have their original docs held for sometime and then returned. I completely agree with all comments given by my dear friends. But look at your own organization I am sure most of them would have faked their documents, resumes, exp and all. There are about 80% of people working in top companies faked their docs, Sometime back I had a word with a small time verification company executive, He told me while he was verifying a doc of a employee of TESCO, he found it fake and happened to have a word with the employee. While the employee offered him 1 lac rupees to seal it as verified truly otherwise threatened to be beaten by rowdies and would probably might have to shut down the company coz the employees dad was Sub inspector of Police. So my dear friends you should understand if the companies start verifying documents almost 50% of them would be caught. There is something called as a BACK DOOR ENTRY if you all IT guys know. Go and ask your managers. They charge about 50 percent of CTC the candidate gets offered to get into the company. SO I am sure it’s the senior guys problem to fill in positions to make money by giving way to all this CRAP. I would request all the mentors of big companies and the CEO’s to think about verification of the senior managers, mid level managers to know how true they are.
Posted by : mukarrum - Wednesday, July 16, 2008
How many of your colleagues or friends have faked their docs????
Strict Verification process drives INDIA into unemployment again. Thanks to call centers giving way to even 10th pass to earn a sal of about 40k per month. If big companies are so concerned about their employees they must have a common entrance test cell something like a CET for professional courses to have their original docs held for sometime and then returned. I completely agree with all comments given by my dear friends. But look at your own organization I am sure most of them would have faked their documents, resumes, exp and all. There are about 80% of people working in top companies faked their docs, Sometime back I had a word with a small time verification company executive, He told me while he was verifying a doc of a employee of TESCO, he found it fake and happened to have a word with the employee. While the employee offered him 1 lac rupees to seal it as verified truly otherwise threatened to be beaten by rowdies and would probably might have to shut down the company coz the employees dad was Sub inspector of Police. So my dear friends you should understand if the companies start verifying documents almost 50% of them would be caught. There is something called as a BACK DOOR ENTRY if you all IT guys know. Go and ask your managers. They charge about 50 percent of CTC the candidate gets offered to get into the company. SO I am sure it’s the senior guys problem to fill in positions to make money by giving way to all this CRAP. I would request all the mentors of big companies and the CEO’s to think about verification of the senior managers, mid level managers to know how true they are.
Posted by : mukarrum - Wednesday, July 16, 2008
Comment 23: Hi All,
There so many jobs other than S/w in India. i don’t know why people chose only s/w.
in my profession I met lot of fresh grads. Every one don’t bother abt putting fake Exp if I ask y? They say "boss industry is like that we have to fallow the people"
if a person with fake exp of 2-3 years gets into a MNC how can he survive? what about the deliverables....?
I think most of the people who got jobs in 2003 to 2007 are fake this could be coz of there is less openings for freshers.
And abt companies
As i observed most of the companies having clients in US or UK.
they know that the project got by them can be done by fresher .only for billing sake they are hiring 2+ or 3+ that’s y Fakies are surviving.
The companies know that they have fake candidates, they keep calm until the project finishes then they fire means this is not fair on companies part.
Posted by : pradeep - Wednesday, July 16, 2008
There so many jobs other than S/w in India. i don’t know why people chose only s/w.
in my profession I met lot of fresh grads. Every one don’t bother abt putting fake Exp if I ask y? They say "boss industry is like that we have to fallow the people"
if a person with fake exp of 2-3 years gets into a MNC how can he survive? what about the deliverables....?
I think most of the people who got jobs in 2003 to 2007 are fake this could be coz of there is less openings for freshers.
And abt companies
As i observed most of the companies having clients in US or UK.
they know that the project got by them can be done by fresher .only for billing sake they are hiring 2+ or 3+ that’s y Fakies are surviving.
The companies know that they have fake candidates, they keep calm until the project finishes then they fire means this is not fair on companies part.
Posted by : pradeep - Wednesday, July 16, 2008
Comment 24: All This is happening coz people are behind money.....and having no self respect...faking experience means faking about him self.............and they do it very proudly.......and real talent is struggling here.......and companies are using these guys for their development and profilts...which is called bussiness and pushing them out when ever their need is fullfilled.......and i dont understan why people think of only IT companies when it comes to job openings.....u go and ask any Btech guy about his future .....he will tell for sure that i want to land in a big IT comany and with lacs and lacs of rupees as CTC.......wat i feel is dont feel about the guys who show fake experience and thrown out of the company ...feel about the guys who are having real talent and with out jobs.
Posted by : Hari - Wednesday, July 16, 2008
Posted by : Hari - Wednesday, July 16, 2008
Comment 25: First of all thanks Mr M.Ramachandran for your views....No need to feel shame...Do you jugde people as fake based on their writing skills or grammatical errors.......???U accuse evryone who has commented for the fired candidates as fake...
Let me say u..I m not at all related to IT industry in any way....So does that mean if i ll be writting comments full of errors,then i m fake???
Have u ever gone to a doctor and tried to read his prescription by urself??So if he does not write properly then he is fake or if u dnt read properly..then u r fake...Either of this is the possibility according to u....
Every job has its own skill.....A software proffessional is no top journalist from whom u can expect errorless language without any grammatical errors..and dnt ever expect journalists to do programming or coding.....
All other comments were really worth reading except one which directly accuses one individual....So please dnt drag particular individuals by disclosing....
Performance is the key factor as many of us have agreed....There are so many loopholes in the companies policies which cant be changed overnight....Its not the candidates who are born fake but the situation makes them to do so....
And at last Sorry to M.Ramachandran for my grammatical errors in this comment...............
Posted by : Debaduta Mohanty - Wednesday, July 16, 2008
Let me say u..I m not at all related to IT industry in any way....So does that mean if i ll be writting comments full of errors,then i m fake???
Have u ever gone to a doctor and tried to read his prescription by urself??So if he does not write properly then he is fake or if u dnt read properly..then u r fake...Either of this is the possibility according to u....
Every job has its own skill.....A software proffessional is no top journalist from whom u can expect errorless language without any grammatical errors..and dnt ever expect journalists to do programming or coding.....
All other comments were really worth reading except one which directly accuses one individual....So please dnt drag particular individuals by disclosing....
Performance is the key factor as many of us have agreed....There are so many loopholes in the companies policies which cant be changed overnight....Its not the candidates who are born fake but the situation makes them to do so....
And at last Sorry to M.Ramachandran for my grammatical errors in this comment...............
Posted by : Debaduta Mohanty - Wednesday, July 16, 2008
Comment 26: What I believe is if the person is performing gud and giving his best effort for co. should not be asked to leave on such grounds. If the co. is so much concerned about verification then they should do it before giving offer letters. At that time when they find that the person useful to the co. they ask them to join ASAP and after words ignoring the performence and efforts given by him they ask them to leave. Also its the co. who ask for ask for exp. and its all the matter of demand and supply. Co. demand for exp. we provide. I just want to ask why dont they take those people who are fresher and who dont have gud edu. background. IF the person tells alie to earn his bread its not at all a criem. Its the cos. who have to force people to do so. Last but not least its not that this is only in IT this is happening all other industries also. Being it HR, Admin. banking, manufacturing etc. This is all due to compitation & unemployment.
Posted by : Janvi - Wednesday, July 16, 2008
Posted by : Janvi - Wednesday, July 16, 2008
Comment 27: Hi All,
A fresher who is just out of the college has to search for a job to feed his family and himself. When he goes through the job sites or newspapers only he can see the vacancies for 2+ years of exp candidates. No jobs for all the freshers( only jobs for candidates from only reputed colleges which are very few in India ). So what this person will do ? He will try to learn different courses from institutes paying money and his family will be supporting him from lodging and boarding. This way he will continue for 2 years struggling for money and life settlement. Then he wiil start searching for a job by putting 2 years fake experience. This way fake resumes start popping up. So just think of the root cause for this. Government should provide enough job oppurtunities for all the people who comes out of college every year. So all of you good people please think of ways to what to do to get job oppurtunities for all the freshers who comes out of college. Thanks for listening to me.
Posted by : ABC - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
A fresher who is just out of the college has to search for a job to feed his family and himself. When he goes through the job sites or newspapers only he can see the vacancies for 2+ years of exp candidates. No jobs for all the freshers( only jobs for candidates from only reputed colleges which are very few in India ). So what this person will do ? He will try to learn different courses from institutes paying money and his family will be supporting him from lodging and boarding. This way he will continue for 2 years struggling for money and life settlement. Then he wiil start searching for a job by putting 2 years fake experience. This way fake resumes start popping up. So just think of the root cause for this. Government should provide enough job oppurtunities for all the people who comes out of college every year. So all of you good people please think of ways to what to do to get job oppurtunities for all the freshers who comes out of college. Thanks for listening to me.
Posted by : ABC - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 28: This is happening in all the IT companies now a days. One of the reason is they hired a lot of employees without thinking of the demand and now since they dont have enough projects they are following this method to cut down the cost for the company. Company should think while hiring the people.
Now since they have to remove people they must think about the employee performance first and then for the background check. There are many employees in the company who are not performing even when they have good background. Why to keep these people? Why companies are removing people due to background only.
If the employee is bringing in the business then company should not think for such silly things. Even if the employees back ground is false but he is performing very good then company should reward him but now a days they are taking reverse actions. I dont know why?
Posted by : Ravindra - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Now since they have to remove people they must think about the employee performance first and then for the background check. There are many employees in the company who are not performing even when they have good background. Why to keep these people? Why companies are removing people due to background only.
If the employee is bringing in the business then company should not think for such silly things. Even if the employees back ground is false but he is performing very good then company should reward him but now a days they are taking reverse actions. I dont know why?
Posted by : Ravindra - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 29: I think first HR need to b Fired later they need to think abt Engg.
Y always fired s/w engg programmer ,y not HR Manager IT Recruters and all ,
Posted by : RAJ - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Y always fired s/w engg programmer ,y not HR Manager IT Recruters and all ,
Posted by : RAJ - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 30: I think this is not a good move. During appointment all credentials of the employee should be checked and not two or three years of employment.
Posted by : Baghya - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Posted by : Baghya - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 31: Hi,
We know bangalore is the boom city for all IT'S Job in india.And also we know that IT market carries a major fake employees.But If company wants to do the varification .. so plz do beforte issue the appoint ment letter.After 1 year and 2 years of joining, i believe there is no point to check BG.
As per my knowledge 2006-2007,TCs,Wipro hires a hale lots of candidate.And i am sure out of 100 there is 99% are fake having 1-3 years of experience in various domain.Then how they are in the system.only 20 members are fake in TCS.Can TCS is going to check all the employees BG.I am eagerly waiting to hear that news.If not then plz don't fire these 20 members.
Posted by : Asiq - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
We know bangalore is the boom city for all IT'S Job in india.And also we know that IT market carries a major fake employees.But If company wants to do the varification .. so plz do beforte issue the appoint ment letter.After 1 year and 2 years of joining, i believe there is no point to check BG.
As per my knowledge 2006-2007,TCs,Wipro hires a hale lots of candidate.And i am sure out of 100 there is 99% are fake having 1-3 years of experience in various domain.Then how they are in the system.only 20 members are fake in TCS.Can TCS is going to check all the employees BG.I am eagerly waiting to hear that news.If not then plz don't fire these 20 members.
Posted by : Asiq - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 32: Hi, I know few people who are in TCS with fake background.
One such guy is Pratap Rudra Nayak earlier working in Diginet(a training provider of English and some software course) as Business Dev. Ex. showed his fake experience and in TCS Now..Probably Bangalore or Chennai.
He was having liason with a Senior officer of TCS...
So he found himself through.......
Has TCS detected this person as fake...............
This is my challenge
Posted by : Kumar - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
One such guy is Pratap Rudra Nayak earlier working in Diginet(a training provider of English and some software course) as Business Dev. Ex. showed his fake experience and in TCS Now..Probably Bangalore or Chennai.
He was having liason with a Senior officer of TCS...
So he found himself through.......
Has TCS detected this person as fake...............
This is my challenge
Posted by : Kumar - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 33: One thing I don’t Understand is All these IT giants(Inofsys, Satyam,tcs etc.,) get their projects by faking their capabilities and hyping the skills of their employees.
second why don't these companies do the BG Verification before giving offer letter.. This is my view that the BG Verification should be carried out this way..
HR guys should think about it...
Posted by : kapil - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
second why don't these companies do the BG Verification before giving offer letter.. This is my view that the BG Verification should be carried out this way..
HR guys should think about it...
Posted by : kapil - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 34: OK TCS has fired fake CV's candidate. Has anyone seens how the candidates performed. On one hand they make them work like hell and give appreciation and at the other hand handing out pink slips. Thats rubbish. Atleast the candidates are performing for the sake of the company and themselves. Yes, if a candidate has fake exp. and is not able to perform, they deserve no good behaviour.
Posted by : ABC - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Posted by : ABC - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 35: It is not very funny. It shows the degeneration of values among India's educated literates. Tell me what is the difference between these "fake CV makers" and the fake stamp paper vendors, fake passport makers, fake currency note makers, and fake "mom and infant" at the traffic signals? I took my time to read all the comments. That itself proves the number of "fakes" who commented on this article. Gramatical and spelling mistakes galore.
I hang my head in shame.
Mr.Arjun Singh you have done a great job.
Posted by : M.Ramachandran - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
I hang my head in shame.
Mr.Arjun Singh you have done a great job.
Posted by : M.Ramachandran - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 36: Being a consultant--I do take part in interview process--I found most of the fack cv in the area of ERP--SAP/Oracle..all companies are looking for ready made consultant with product knowledge where as for the post of consultant--Product knowledge is not required.According strong analytical skills are required who can deal with any kind of case analysis.But for the immediate requirement so that the time gets billable company's(even tier one) hires fack candidates in act that if that person can handle the project.Accordingly when that person is not able to do so company's fire them.So I fill that before taking such a risk--companies should look after that person potential and credibality pertaining to the cv and his presentation.
Posted by : xxxxxxxx - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Posted by : xxxxxxxx - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 37: i think it is totally rediculus.
i know its seems strange but think abouts some of of following points-
1) Most of the top IT companies like TCS , Wipro, Infy , IBM etc hire more than double against requirements as they have to show it to grab the project.
seconly, once they have got the project, after 8 months to 1 year, management sits togethere to cut down the manpower, and for this they try each and every way out. this is one of them.
Again when they have to grab a new project, they will hire nearly 500 more freshers and experienced persons and will come in newspaper headlines that they have hire such a huge amount of people.
but now i think govt . of INDIA should make some strict rule for this to save the future of the youth of INDIA.
and we should also seriously think about it. i think all the youth specially working in IT industry should join hands together to launch a mass movement on net and other ways so that govt. should listen us.
i know that it seems quite funny to some people, but believe me if some action is not taken up today, then definately we are going to suffer a lot in future and then it will be to late!!!!!!!!
Posted by : kapil - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
i know its seems strange but think abouts some of of following points-
1) Most of the top IT companies like TCS , Wipro, Infy , IBM etc hire more than double against requirements as they have to show it to grab the project.
seconly, once they have got the project, after 8 months to 1 year, management sits togethere to cut down the manpower, and for this they try each and every way out. this is one of them.
Again when they have to grab a new project, they will hire nearly 500 more freshers and experienced persons and will come in newspaper headlines that they have hire such a huge amount of people.
but now i think govt . of INDIA should make some strict rule for this to save the future of the youth of INDIA.
and we should also seriously think about it. i think all the youth specially working in IT industry should join hands together to launch a mass movement on net and other ways so that govt. should listen us.
i know that it seems quite funny to some people, but believe me if some action is not taken up today, then definately we are going to suffer a lot in future and then it will be to late!!!!!!!!
Posted by : kapil - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 38: Hi all, Like many ppl said, why give a job without BG verification? N did the companies check the reason for faking the CVs?? well f they wud've done that they cud're realized that its due to the food and to support the family. Well wat i wud suggest is, the company shud take a check on the severity or impact what the person cud make if he continues and then take a decission. Its not that I don't respect other's views, but this is just my point of view towards any IT companies.
Thanks
Posted by : Matt - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Thanks
Posted by : Matt - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 39: it's good..but you know , how these compnies get projects from the clients.....
by facke resume only..........
Posted by : MDH - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
by facke resume only..........
Posted by : MDH - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 40: I think this is a wise step towards creating awarness in people and well as a sense of fear in minds of people who trigger this kind of act. I am my self a graduate and strongly feel that drastic measures like these will to an extent help employ more desreving people who face dejection owing to false profiles submitted by certain people.
Posted by : Gunjeet - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Posted by : Gunjeet - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 41: how genuine is companies forwarding their employee profiles to clients, no client accept fresher to be put in his project, since he is paying lot.
Guyz just all other companies having unions, why dont IT prof's have one just like the policies n unions in abroad, we follow west in every thing else why dont we follow and cover this gap as well n have a union which bind us together to fight against these kind of situations(firing after giving the company good performance n getting fired after 2/3 yrs of work), if the employer doesnot like the person he can remove within the probationary period and any findings after that period should not be stated as fake, but he can ask the employee to leave with suitable notice period.
why dont we have policies and unions just like the IT companies have somthing called NASSCOM.
Posted by : Ash - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Guyz just all other companies having unions, why dont IT prof's have one just like the policies n unions in abroad, we follow west in every thing else why dont we follow and cover this gap as well n have a union which bind us together to fight against these kind of situations(firing after giving the company good performance n getting fired after 2/3 yrs of work), if the employer doesnot like the person he can remove within the probationary period and any findings after that period should not be stated as fake, but he can ask the employee to leave with suitable notice period.
why dont we have policies and unions just like the IT companies have somthing called NASSCOM.
Posted by : Ash - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 42: Then Why did they give the offer before doing the BG verfication?
I hope all HR people are Foolish and typical politicians.....may be top level guys also....
I request IT guys please don't join these type of companies and other firing companies who are firing frequently. Please select some small companies, with consistent and steady growth.
Posted by : Uday - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
I hope all HR people are Foolish and typical politicians.....may be top level guys also....
I request IT guys please don't join these type of companies and other firing companies who are firing frequently. Please select some small companies, with consistent and steady growth.
Posted by : Uday - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 43: One thing I don’t Understand is All these IT giants(Inofsys, Satyam,tcs etc.,) get their projects by faking their capabilities and hyping the skills of their employees.
One more fact they increase their market capitalisation through fudged accounts.
haaahaha what a hypocrisy.
Posted by : Ram - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
One more fact they increase their market capitalisation through fudged accounts.
haaahaha what a hypocrisy.
Posted by : Ram - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 44: And when it comes whom to blame you can never blame the company or HR department for these things at many cases. The one who gave false information is the one who can be blamed for these things for being so unethical.................
Posted by : Michael Joseph - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Posted by : Michael Joseph - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 45: Most of the companies do the background verification well in advance even before the candidate joins. At the same time if the candidate is a good fit for the opening with them they hire him without any hesitation even if the BG verification gives a negative result. They have it in their records and use it as a tool to fire them in future if things go wrong....(say for ex: If he is not performing up to the mark)..................
Posted by : Michael Joseph - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Posted by : Michael Joseph - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 46: Hi there,
I think every firm should make a policy that if someone is talented but doesnt have degree. They should take him because if you have degree and if you dont perform i am sure they are not going to keep you. If they have cleared the interview i am sure they were capable to handle the job.
But i agree that lot of forgery is been done and it would effect the company in some or other ways.
Posted by : Srinivas - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
I think every firm should make a policy that if someone is talented but doesnt have degree. They should take him because if you have degree and if you dont perform i am sure they are not going to keep you. If they have cleared the interview i am sure they were capable to handle the job.
But i agree that lot of forgery is been done and it would effect the company in some or other ways.
Posted by : Srinivas - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 47: even if the resumes are forged, people there in the companies are doing their best and have been profitable to the organisations. their background shouldnt matter that much if there are able to get good revenue for their employee and are doing justice to their jobs.
Posted by : Rahul Arora - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Posted by : Rahul Arora - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 48: Hi,
DOES ANY ONE QUESTIONS WHY THESE COMPANIES DO BACKGROUND VERIFICATION 2 YEARS AFTER JOINING.
MOST OF THE CANDIDATES BEING THROWN OUT HAVE BEEN THERE IN THE COMPANY FOR MORE THAN 2 YEARS.
WHY NOW?
DID IT REALLY TAKE SO LONG TO DO THE BACKGROUND VERIFICATION?
OR IS IT AN EXCUSE OF JUST REMOVING PEOPLE FROM THE ORGANIZATION SINCE THEY CANNOT STOP RECRUITING FROM THE CAMPUS (WOULD SEND WRONG SIGNALS TO THE MARKET...SAHRES WOULD COME DOWN).
COMPANIES SHOULD BE TAKEN TO COURT FOR TAKING SO LONG TO DO A BACKGOUND CHECK AND MAKING MOCCERY OF THE ENTIRE EXERCISE
Posted by : Rakesh - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
DOES ANY ONE QUESTIONS WHY THESE COMPANIES DO BACKGROUND VERIFICATION 2 YEARS AFTER JOINING.
MOST OF THE CANDIDATES BEING THROWN OUT HAVE BEEN THERE IN THE COMPANY FOR MORE THAN 2 YEARS.
WHY NOW?
DID IT REALLY TAKE SO LONG TO DO THE BACKGROUND VERIFICATION?
OR IS IT AN EXCUSE OF JUST REMOVING PEOPLE FROM THE ORGANIZATION SINCE THEY CANNOT STOP RECRUITING FROM THE CAMPUS (WOULD SEND WRONG SIGNALS TO THE MARKET...SAHRES WOULD COME DOWN).
COMPANIES SHOULD BE TAKEN TO COURT FOR TAKING SO LONG TO DO A BACKGOUND CHECK AND MAKING MOCCERY OF THE ENTIRE EXERCISE
Posted by : Rakesh - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 49: Hi,
90% of the employees in Wipro, TCS and Infosys are fake. Why they are firing only few people? The reason is, the project is over and now, they cannot pay them due to the company's cost cutting policies. Through this post, I challenge Wipro, TCS and Infosys that if they are so genuine and real, remove all the fakies from their organizations including the HR Managers, Project Managers and other top level VPs who are all fake. The management of these organization is worst. Don't keep the fakies in the organization just because they are relatives of VPs or HR Managers or Project Managers. Remove all the fakies whether he/she is a relative or whatever. I am 110% sure that if these companies remove all the fakies without any partiality and polities, the very next day they will be closed.
So, now they should accept my challenge and remove all the fakies if these companies are real and genuine. Before blaming some fakies, they should think what they are and where they stand in this market.
Posted by : XYZ - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
90% of the employees in Wipro, TCS and Infosys are fake. Why they are firing only few people? The reason is, the project is over and now, they cannot pay them due to the company's cost cutting policies. Through this post, I challenge Wipro, TCS and Infosys that if they are so genuine and real, remove all the fakies from their organizations including the HR Managers, Project Managers and other top level VPs who are all fake. The management of these organization is worst. Don't keep the fakies in the organization just because they are relatives of VPs or HR Managers or Project Managers. Remove all the fakies whether he/she is a relative or whatever. I am 110% sure that if these companies remove all the fakies without any partiality and polities, the very next day they will be closed.
So, now they should accept my challenge and remove all the fakies if these companies are real and genuine. Before blaming some fakies, they should think what they are and where they stand in this market.
Posted by : XYZ - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 50: let then remove all the fake candiates then they cant run the project
out 100 people in SAP 70 are fake
if the compant show so much of integirty remove all the 70 people, that they dont want because they will loose the business
all big comapnies (TCS, Satyam ,wipro) simply remove 20 people to show that we have good candidates all bullshit - no room for good people
Posted by : Anil - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
out 100 people in SAP 70 are fake
if the compant show so much of integirty remove all the 70 people, that they dont want because they will loose the business
all big comapnies (TCS, Satyam ,wipro) simply remove 20 people to show that we have good candidates all bullshit - no room for good people
Posted by : Anil - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 51: Hi all,
This is really sad to know that the so called Indian origin software companies are firing people based upon their past fake experiences. Why only Indian bullshit black listed companies like Wipro, TCS, Infosys are interested in this? These companies have a cost cutting policy where when they need people for projects, they hire anybody from the crowd and when the work is over, they do all this nonsense.
I personally know that in Wipro, TCS, & Infosys, if you have a reference, you can get a job very easily. Instead of removing the experiened and skilled techies, they should first remove the HR Managers and all the Big profiles people in such companies. According to me, the Management in these companies is worst and all of us are aware of this. So first of all, these Indian companies should change their administration.
Why the US Based companies like HP does not do this nonsense. The reason is, they want work. If you are capable enough to satisfy their working requirements, they will not consider these politics based bullshit decisions. If these Indian companies want to remove fake experience from the market, they should hire the freshers. Why they post vacancies with atleast 2-4 yrs experience in every wednesday Times Ascent??
The only solution for us techies is to avoid companies like Wipro, Infosys and TCS. There are so many companies, who want talent capable enough to do their job. They do not apply bullshit politics like Wipro based upon the past experiences. Guys, do not join Wipro, Infosys, TCS and other Indian origin companies and put all of them to a black listed companies list in your mind's knowledge base.
Posted by : Dharmendra - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
This is really sad to know that the so called Indian origin software companies are firing people based upon their past fake experiences. Why only Indian bullshit black listed companies like Wipro, TCS, Infosys are interested in this? These companies have a cost cutting policy where when they need people for projects, they hire anybody from the crowd and when the work is over, they do all this nonsense.
I personally know that in Wipro, TCS, & Infosys, if you have a reference, you can get a job very easily. Instead of removing the experiened and skilled techies, they should first remove the HR Managers and all the Big profiles people in such companies. According to me, the Management in these companies is worst and all of us are aware of this. So first of all, these Indian companies should change their administration.
Why the US Based companies like HP does not do this nonsense. The reason is, they want work. If you are capable enough to satisfy their working requirements, they will not consider these politics based bullshit decisions. If these Indian companies want to remove fake experience from the market, they should hire the freshers. Why they post vacancies with atleast 2-4 yrs experience in every wednesday Times Ascent??
The only solution for us techies is to avoid companies like Wipro, Infosys and TCS. There are so many companies, who want talent capable enough to do their job. They do not apply bullshit politics like Wipro based upon the past experiences. Guys, do not join Wipro, Infosys, TCS and other Indian origin companies and put all of them to a black listed companies list in your mind's knowledge base.
Posted by : Dharmendra - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 52: No state would have grown In India specifically in Information technology , without other states support ( Say tamilnadu, Kerala etc) ...so everybody should be given equal importance
Posted by : Sree - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Posted by : Sree - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 53: I think this is just a good reflection of the fact that the IT industry is now reaching out to the masses. Candidates can get recruited from all places and with our good record of corruption- Its not surprising that such cases are growing.
IT is a cash cow right now and as long as the Clients are paying on effort basis - this problem will continue, the day the clients start paying "on success" of the project, the local IT giants will also start strengthing the selection processes, adding more than just aptitude tests and interviews- with more of psycho somatic tests and rigorous follow ups.
IT industry should follow the model used by the Shipping industry where EVERY person working in this industry has to have completed a basic level of training and has a kind of log book which is the PASSPORT to working in this industry and also serves as a VALID and AUTHENTIC record of the persons work.
This cannot be faked and NO ONE can ever get 2 such books.
Its time the IT giants of india woke up to this problem and started something like this under the ageis of NASSCOM or some common industry body.
Posted by : Upendra Watwe - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
IT is a cash cow right now and as long as the Clients are paying on effort basis - this problem will continue, the day the clients start paying "on success" of the project, the local IT giants will also start strengthing the selection processes, adding more than just aptitude tests and interviews- with more of psycho somatic tests and rigorous follow ups.
IT industry should follow the model used by the Shipping industry where EVERY person working in this industry has to have completed a basic level of training and has a kind of log book which is the PASSPORT to working in this industry and also serves as a VALID and AUTHENTIC record of the persons work.
This cannot be faked and NO ONE can ever get 2 such books.
Its time the IT giants of india woke up to this problem and started something like this under the ageis of NASSCOM or some common industry body.
Posted by : Upendra Watwe - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 54: Many years back candidates from Kerala & West Bengal used to fake. Now it is prevalent all over India. If a person from the above mentioned states becomes the HR head / Personnel Dept., he used to recruit people from his state only & not take into account the local candidates educational & professional background. Many such perople who have got recruited thro' the backdoor are thriving in all types of organisations & it is not prevalent only in IT industry. Recruitment policies should be streamlined & preferably local candidates should be given preference over outsiders to avoid faking. (By this verification will be easier).
Posted by : Sheshadri - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Posted by : Sheshadri - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 55: It is HR Problem these days they talk of work load but Hr GUYS RELAX A LOT
they have to be more serious in getting poeple from good sourceses
Posted by : ramakrishna - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
they have to be more serious in getting poeple from good sourceses
Posted by : ramakrishna - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 56: What will You do if one day the whole world will be on one side and you on the opposite?
Simple.
Just turn back and you will be the leader of the whole world.
Work smart not hard.
PratapSamarjit Patnaik,
Writer
Posted by : PratapSamarjit Patnaik - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Simple.
Just turn back and you will be the leader of the whole world.
Work smart not hard.
PratapSamarjit Patnaik,
Writer
Posted by : PratapSamarjit Patnaik - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 57: Actual responsible persons are HR only. If they did their job b4 the candidate on board they can save time, cost and headache also. Instead, these HR people wanted to have resource pool for company then they take the junk people without knowning them throughly. Finally company will be in huge loss and will get bad impression from IT and society too.....:) please correct me whether my understanding is correct?
Posted by : Rajsathish - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Posted by : Rajsathish - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 58: There is something which very disgusting on the part of candidates, placement agencies and so on. But the fact is to be realized by the companies also, reason is these kind of big companies want big profiles, whether the candidates has that or manipulates the same. On the other hand there are candidate with no manipulations but with all the facts, had have potential are not considered because they don't have good links, no better placement agencies, nor good institutional background etc.
You may consider the case of mine itself, I am Masters in HR from Bhavnagar University, in addition to 10 years experience of Pharmaceutical Marketing as First line manager and 2.5 years core HR & admin experience. But the condition is no good company is ready to hire me. To be honest a thought had sown in my mind of manipulating the CV but the conscious does not permit and am afraid of insult.
This is the fact, whom to curse.
Posted by : Sanjay D Sharma - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
You may consider the case of mine itself, I am Masters in HR from Bhavnagar University, in addition to 10 years experience of Pharmaceutical Marketing as First line manager and 2.5 years core HR & admin experience. But the condition is no good company is ready to hire me. To be honest a thought had sown in my mind of manipulating the CV but the conscious does not permit and am afraid of insult.
This is the fact, whom to curse.
Posted by : Sanjay D Sharma - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 59: Hi All
Seeing this news I am surprised to know that in a big IT company like TCS, where there are thousands of employees they found just a handful of 20 employees, whose CVs were fake. Quite Strange !! I would suggest the agency of TCS, who could trace these fraud, to recheck thoroughly and I am sure the numbers would be shocking !!!
As many of the friends in their comments said - I would support the statement why to judge the person by his past performance, past employers comments, relieving letters ( Genuinely no employer would ever feel like loosing a prospective employee from his company and would definitely try to hold him back by initially trying to convince him or else atlast by threatning. In this Scenario no employer would ever be ready to give the good comments about the employee in the relieving letter.) Therefore employees are forced to produce the forged documents to support the cause.
I say, when the candidate is in front of you and is undergoing so many screening tests like aptitude, logical reasoning, Logical Mathematics, General Knowledge, English etc., other than the normal technical rounds ( in written as well as personal rounds), then iit is clear that the person who is sitting in front of you with nothing but his active brains, which is helping to clear the rounds and emerges as the eligible candidate, then why the hell is somebody bothered about few useless things of his past. This way the system is forcing to do millions of people to take on the wrong path as the wrongly projected things are easily accepted.
The only way to weed out such wrong practise is that do not give weightage to what he was in the past, see how is he at present ( By his performances in the tough interview rounds in your organisation) and how would he be suitable for your organisation. To really judge a person( other than technical aspects) one can also take the help of certain tests, created by psychologists which will map the characteristics of the person and then decide his suitability for the organisation.
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Posted by : Neha Farheen - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Seeing this news I am surprised to know that in a big IT company like TCS, where there are thousands of employees they found just a handful of 20 employees, whose CVs were fake. Quite Strange !! I would suggest the agency of TCS, who could trace these fraud, to recheck thoroughly and I am sure the numbers would be shocking !!!
As many of the friends in their comments said - I would support the statement why to judge the person by his past performance, past employers comments, relieving letters ( Genuinely no employer would ever feel like loosing a prospective employee from his company and would definitely try to hold him back by initially trying to convince him or else atlast by threatning. In this Scenario no employer would ever be ready to give the good comments about the employee in the relieving letter.) Therefore employees are forced to produce the forged documents to support the cause.
I say, when the candidate is in front of you and is undergoing so many screening tests like aptitude, logical reasoning, Logical Mathematics, General Knowledge, English etc., other than the normal technical rounds ( in written as well as personal rounds), then iit is clear that the person who is sitting in front of you with nothing but his active brains, which is helping to clear the rounds and emerges as the eligible candidate, then why the hell is somebody bothered about few useless things of his past. This way the system is forcing to do millions of people to take on the wrong path as the wrongly projected things are easily accepted.
The only way to weed out such wrong practise is that do not give weightage to what he was in the past, see how is he at present ( By his performances in the tough interview rounds in your organisation) and how would he be suitable for your organisation. To really judge a person( other than technical aspects) one can also take the help of certain tests, created by psychologists which will map the characteristics of the person and then decide his suitability for the organisation.
A Placement Consultant
Mobile :9810665032
Posted by : Neha Farheen - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 60: Are the resumes cheked only for lateral or for freshers also?
Posted by : Rahul - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Posted by : Rahul - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 61: the conclusion is that the MBA guys who r sitting at the managerial(HR) positions are culprit.
Posted by : akhilesh - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Posted by : akhilesh - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 62: The scheme of process is like catching drug addicts to eradicate the problem of drug abuse...Ever anyone tried to catch the real culprits i,e the drug peddlers and mafias....
the same thing applies here also.......There are so many problems a person is associated with getting a job and ultimately when he find his road ending,he tries to resurrect giving some fake certificates or degrees.......there may be some financial pressure or anything that compels him to do so....the ultimate reason to earn some bread and butter for him and his family.........
Many people have given their views on the HR quality of these IT organizations.....What do these HR guys do at their work stations when they cant find out the authenticity of a candidate and his certificates at the first place???? and after a while when the pressure comes fron the top management to restructure the manpower...then these so called heroes comes to the frame.........and do things which are unjustified and malagnious.....and give excuses of a cnadidate being fake...........
My 9 out of 10 friends are working in the top 4 IT companies and are all fake as per my knowledge.........and some even had frequent onsite assigments(they call it trips).....So what sort of process was followed while recruiting them or even while sending them abroad???If the VISA process was tat much transparent...i wonder all would ve been working over here till now...........isn't the company policies forbid the HR's from indulging in unfair means to get a VISA for a candidate????
So how come this issue is creating such a big problem in such big companies??? Just figure out what ur need is...where the candidate fits into...n after due diligence recruit him..And if ur all purposes are solved..then why this stuff???
People are talking about Nasscom....Leave aside Nascomm..give it to good private 3rd party verification agencies or create ur own inhouse one......companies should try to restrict this from their very own end before hiring........if all is being followed,then the question of firing due to faking will never arise..........
I admit fake is fake....m not telling its gud..........but the procedure adopted to fire candidates on the basis of faking is really bad.............
As a foundation of a building is the most important factor for its strength...so as this case too....Make the policies strong.......Apply to all and adopt urselves too......
Posted by : debaduta mohanty - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
the same thing applies here also.......There are so many problems a person is associated with getting a job and ultimately when he find his road ending,he tries to resurrect giving some fake certificates or degrees.......there may be some financial pressure or anything that compels him to do so....the ultimate reason to earn some bread and butter for him and his family.........
Many people have given their views on the HR quality of these IT organizations.....What do these HR guys do at their work stations when they cant find out the authenticity of a candidate and his certificates at the first place???? and after a while when the pressure comes fron the top management to restructure the manpower...then these so called heroes comes to the frame.........and do things which are unjustified and malagnious.....and give excuses of a cnadidate being fake...........
My 9 out of 10 friends are working in the top 4 IT companies and are all fake as per my knowledge.........and some even had frequent onsite assigments(they call it trips).....So what sort of process was followed while recruiting them or even while sending them abroad???If the VISA process was tat much transparent...i wonder all would ve been working over here till now...........isn't the company policies forbid the HR's from indulging in unfair means to get a VISA for a candidate????
So how come this issue is creating such a big problem in such big companies??? Just figure out what ur need is...where the candidate fits into...n after due diligence recruit him..And if ur all purposes are solved..then why this stuff???
People are talking about Nasscom....Leave aside Nascomm..give it to good private 3rd party verification agencies or create ur own inhouse one......companies should try to restrict this from their very own end before hiring........if all is being followed,then the question of firing due to faking will never arise..........
I admit fake is fake....m not telling its gud..........but the procedure adopted to fire candidates on the basis of faking is really bad.............
As a foundation of a building is the most important factor for its strength...so as this case too....Make the policies strong.......Apply to all and adopt urselves too......
Posted by : debaduta mohanty - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 63: Hi,
Its just playing with the future of the poor people.If somebody gets into in your system by clearing the interview with the help of fake CV that means the recruitment process is fully faulty. This is not the 1st time happened couple of my friends were also fired some companies.Those people worked there for 1 year and at the end of the Project they were for showing such stupid reasons.If they had given the fake CVs then how did they worked for your company for completion of Project successfully? Its all take advantage and throw employee policy.
Posted by : Sanjay - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Its just playing with the future of the poor people.If somebody gets into in your system by clearing the interview with the help of fake CV that means the recruitment process is fully faulty. This is not the 1st time happened couple of my friends were also fired some companies.Those people worked there for 1 year and at the end of the Project they were for showing such stupid reasons.If they had given the fake CVs then how did they worked for your company for completion of Project successfully? Its all take advantage and throw employee policy.
Posted by : Sanjay - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 64: There should be a centralised database of such candidates, so that other recriter can also get benefit.
Posted by : Dinesh Singh - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Posted by : Dinesh Singh - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 65: What a Bull shit !!!
Its just a game what IT companies plays as their strategy to make money nothing else.
1) How many B.com, B.Tech(Mech) , B.Tech(Civil) ( I mean non IT background personnel) are working as software professional across the world. Just after doing some training on some technologies from a road side institute, they are able to get on to the top companies like TCS, WIPRO, INFOSYS etc.
2) If these big companies are particular about the candidature of the people working with them, then why they are not asking for only Certified candidates on Technologies (For Ex: SAP Certified, Oracle Certified, Sun Certifies, Microsoft Certified) for every position they fill in. Why it is not compulsory that a candidate must have a Computing education in his background ( For Ex: BCA, MCA, BE (comp), ME(Comp) etc) , why people from other backgrounds(Non IT: B.Com, MBA, B.Tech(Mech), Civil etc) plus some training from a road side institutes are allowed.
3) A gentleman says “The percentage has been increasing. In 2006, it was 16-17 percent, for 2007 it was 30 percent and while we are just six months into 2008 the percentage is around 30 percent” --- Is he not aware of the fact that if fake resumes has gone up by 30% , same the professional colleges who produce technical guys have also gone up by 50%. ( Just in Andhra Pradesh there are 494 engineering colleges, producing whopping 1.6 lakh of engineers in an Year ( see the link if you don’t believe http://www.thehindu.com/2008/07/13/stories/2008071359260500.htm ) 1,60,000 engineers from a state , and in India we have 28 states and 7 union territories , just imagine how many engineers would get churn out in just 365 days , India churns 4,00,00,000 engineers i.e 109589 per day !!! where the premier institutes like IIT and REC pass out population would be equal to a Days population of entire Engineers get produced in India.
4) Policies of big companies like Infosys, SAP Labs etc
a. Throughout 1st class from 10th to the masters degree attained
b. No Gap in the education, and there should be no gap the employment.
c. These days, a new concept has cropped up i.e Domain expertise , a person who has worked in Retail Domain will not be considered for positions in Telecom.
d. Initial written test, (in some companies Group Discussions too), 3 rounds of technical Interview, 2 rounds of HR Interview. And prior to these there will be several rounds of evaluations from the recruiting agencies.
Now, If above mentioned is the scenario of Indian IT Job market, then below are the facts
1) If any candidate who undergoes several test gates and secure the position , then will it be wrong to consider that, the candidate is real fit for that position.
2) If the candidate is real fit, and he proves himself in all these pre employment tests which he has undergone, then does it really matter what was his past and present employment and which graduation degree he holds and what masters.
3) When the companies select a candidate with all these procedures and then say that they are fake techies, as their past record is not correct. What do you call such companies
a. There is a flaw in their selection procedure, where a person who is unfit made his way to the position, then the policy what these companies adopt is wrong. So before sacking the people so called fake guys, it becomes important to sack the Policy makers, who have paved a path to such a useless system.
b. If the policies were correct and the person who got hired was a right fit, then where the question does arises for backdrop check and all these bull shit. When the person is perfectly matching your requirement and capable of getting the job done assigned to him, then why a big hue & cry on his education & experience checks. If Education and Experience really matters then (refer my point 1) how come NON IT background chaps are working in IT. ( Is it not true that An engineer cannot treat a patient, to Treat a decease a qualified doctor is required – this is a case where an authentic education is required, But I don’t see the similarity in IT industry where we can see so many NON IT graduates working in IT companies – this proves that IT Industry really doest require a IT Education, any person with logical and Mathematical acumen can pursue career in IT arena, and that’s how even SAP Labs and Oracle labs sell their Education packages, if you get some time speak to Siemens or Oracle University.)
c. With these above discussed points, I don’t see any requirement of a backdrop check for the candidates who actually go through long procedures of pre employment tests. Candidate is in front of you, his talent is exhibited and proves that he can get the assigned job done, then why do these companies really bother about what he did in his last employment and what was his record at education.
4) We have lot many scientists and Nobel prize winners who are actually college drop outs, Bill Gates is a classic example of a school dropout ( he is dropout from Harvard) today he is a big shot in IT Industry.
5) Say, If I was a performer in my earlier job, does that guarantee you that I will also be a performer in the job offered. When there is no such guarantee then why the hell this backdrop check is required.
6) A real Check is required about a person’s criminal background. Please tell me which organization is actually asking for this report. None to my knowledge, They don’t check on this important factor, but yes they harp on all the other useless things. How far it is fair on the part on so called Bigges in IT market
Posted by : Karan Bharadwaj - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Dear All,
I completely agree with the above Comment of Mr. Bhardwaj. When the companies select a candidate with all these procedures and then say that they are fake techies, as their past record is not correct. It shows nothing but the wrong selection criteria of these companies and these companies should be black-listed.
Posted by : Aryan - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Its just a game what IT companies plays as their strategy to make money nothing else.
1) How many B.com, B.Tech(Mech) , B.Tech(Civil) ( I mean non IT background personnel) are working as software professional across the world. Just after doing some training on some technologies from a road side institute, they are able to get on to the top companies like TCS, WIPRO, INFOSYS etc.
2) If these big companies are particular about the candidature of the people working with them, then why they are not asking for only Certified candidates on Technologies (For Ex: SAP Certified, Oracle Certified, Sun Certifies, Microsoft Certified) for every position they fill in. Why it is not compulsory that a candidate must have a Computing education in his background ( For Ex: BCA, MCA, BE (comp), ME(Comp) etc) , why people from other backgrounds(Non IT: B.Com, MBA, B.Tech(Mech), Civil etc) plus some training from a road side institutes are allowed.
3) A gentleman says “The percentage has been increasing. In 2006, it was 16-17 percent, for 2007 it was 30 percent and while we are just six months into 2008 the percentage is around 30 percent” --- Is he not aware of the fact that if fake resumes has gone up by 30% , same the professional colleges who produce technical guys have also gone up by 50%. ( Just in Andhra Pradesh there are 494 engineering colleges, producing whopping 1.6 lakh of engineers in an Year ( see the link if you don’t believe http://www.thehindu.com/2008/07/13/stories/2008071359260500.htm ) 1,60,000 engineers from a state , and in India we have 28 states and 7 union territories , just imagine how many engineers would get churn out in just 365 days , India churns 4,00,00,000 engineers i.e 109589 per day !!! where the premier institutes like IIT and REC pass out population would be equal to a Days population of entire Engineers get produced in India.
4) Policies of big companies like Infosys, SAP Labs etc
a. Throughout 1st class from 10th to the masters degree attained
b. No Gap in the education, and there should be no gap the employment.
c. These days, a new concept has cropped up i.e Domain expertise , a person who has worked in Retail Domain will not be considered for positions in Telecom.
d. Initial written test, (in some companies Group Discussions too), 3 rounds of technical Interview, 2 rounds of HR Interview. And prior to these there will be several rounds of evaluations from the recruiting agencies.
Now, If above mentioned is the scenario of Indian IT Job market, then below are the facts
1) If any candidate who undergoes several test gates and secure the position , then will it be wrong to consider that, the candidate is real fit for that position.
2) If the candidate is real fit, and he proves himself in all these pre employment tests which he has undergone, then does it really matter what was his past and present employment and which graduation degree he holds and what masters.
3) When the companies select a candidate with all these procedures and then say that they are fake techies, as their past record is not correct. What do you call such companies
a. There is a flaw in their selection procedure, where a person who is unfit made his way to the position, then the policy what these companies adopt is wrong. So before sacking the people so called fake guys, it becomes important to sack the Policy makers, who have paved a path to such a useless system.
b. If the policies were correct and the person who got hired was a right fit, then where the question does arises for backdrop check and all these bull shit. When the person is perfectly matching your requirement and capable of getting the job done assigned to him, then why a big hue & cry on his education & experience checks. If Education and Experience really matters then (refer my point 1) how come NON IT background chaps are working in IT. ( Is it not true that An engineer cannot treat a patient, to Treat a decease a qualified doctor is required – this is a case where an authentic education is required, But I don’t see the similarity in IT industry where we can see so many NON IT graduates working in IT companies – this proves that IT Industry really doest require a IT Education, any person with logical and Mathematical acumen can pursue career in IT arena, and that’s how even SAP Labs and Oracle labs sell their Education packages, if you get some time speak to Siemens or Oracle University.)
c. With these above discussed points, I don’t see any requirement of a backdrop check for the candidates who actually go through long procedures of pre employment tests. Candidate is in front of you, his talent is exhibited and proves that he can get the assigned job done, then why do these companies really bother about what he did in his last employment and what was his record at education.
4) We have lot many scientists and Nobel prize winners who are actually college drop outs, Bill Gates is a classic example of a school dropout ( he is dropout from Harvard) today he is a big shot in IT Industry.
5) Say, If I was a performer in my earlier job, does that guarantee you that I will also be a performer in the job offered. When there is no such guarantee then why the hell this backdrop check is required.
6) A real Check is required about a person’s criminal background. Please tell me which organization is actually asking for this report. None to my knowledge, They don’t check on this important factor, but yes they harp on all the other useless things. How far it is fair on the part on so called Bigges in IT market
Posted by : Karan Bharadwaj - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Dear All,
I completely agree with the above Comment of Mr. Bhardwaj. When the companies select a candidate with all these procedures and then say that they are fake techies, as their past record is not correct. It shows nothing but the wrong selection criteria of these companies and these companies should be black-listed.
Posted by : Aryan - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 66: these type of companies do have theoretical thinking...
Posted by : akhilesh - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Posted by : akhilesh - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 67: Many friend have given their opinions and all are right in their perceptions.
I think there is a need to go to the root cause of this kind of situations... it is something like trying to stop crimes by arresting few criminals....
Posted by : Ashwin Vairu - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
I think there is a need to go to the root cause of this kind of situations... it is something like trying to stop crimes by arresting few criminals....
Posted by : Ashwin Vairu - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 68: TCS is capable of anything. They can reduce salary they can ask people to go
only way to survive "TCS guys should know which side of the Bread has got more Butter " sadly these things works
Posted by : Sneha - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
only way to survive "TCS guys should know which side of the Bread has got more Butter " sadly these things works
Posted by : Sneha - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 69: I agree with almost all the opinions mentioned here..
If the candidate's knowledge is really good enough, what is the need for them to remove..? its really absurd..
Its seems the politics have been entered and playing like whatever they want in MNCs. Why Big Icons are not removing their fake employees. I can strongly urge that there are 40% people in MNCs with no work no knowledge just through reference they are getting jobs and getting settled.
And moreover, when they are removing such candidates first of all they should remove the concerned HR employees from their duties, who recruited such people.
And I strongly agree with my friends opinions like almost 70-80% of the employees in MNCs are fake experienced..why aren't they getting removed from their duties (bcoz they have strong background (not in knowledge) in references ).
I strongly feel that the companies should ban the campus recruitment first of all. And should give chance to the people with good knowledge and no working experience...
regards,
SAI SATYA
Posted by : saisatya - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
If the candidate's knowledge is really good enough, what is the need for them to remove..? its really absurd..
Its seems the politics have been entered and playing like whatever they want in MNCs. Why Big Icons are not removing their fake employees. I can strongly urge that there are 40% people in MNCs with no work no knowledge just through reference they are getting jobs and getting settled.
And moreover, when they are removing such candidates first of all they should remove the concerned HR employees from their duties, who recruited such people.
And I strongly agree with my friends opinions like almost 70-80% of the employees in MNCs are fake experienced..why aren't they getting removed from their duties (bcoz they have strong background (not in knowledge) in references ).
I strongly feel that the companies should ban the campus recruitment first of all. And should give chance to the people with good knowledge and no working experience...
regards,
SAI SATYA
Posted by : saisatya - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 70: This is good for the company as well as real good candidates. These directly helps the real experienced and skilled candidates to fill that position, which reflects in good percentage of production again.
Posted by : Srigiri - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Posted by : Srigiri - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 71: I belive IT firms should focus on following points:
1.If quality of the candidate is good even though he/she is fake experienced,companies should keep the people.
2.Keep the candidate if he/she is good by reducing the salary matching with actual experience which will reduce the cost of hiring new candidates.
Posted by : Manoranjan - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
1.If quality of the candidate is good even though he/she is fake experienced,companies should keep the people.
2.Keep the candidate if he/she is good by reducing the salary matching with actual experience which will reduce the cost of hiring new candidates.
Posted by : Manoranjan - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 72: I don't support these kind of people but it seems like everything is fair in love and getting a job in today's world!!!!!!!!
Posted by : kumar - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Posted by : kumar - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 73: Almost all CV’s available in job portals are either over hyped, overstated, projected and some amount of false information added to their content. Why? Because the guy want a job!. So, when it comes to ethical issue “a CV should project real true information” but in reality it is not. TCS has found only 20 people because I think it’s a publicity stunt by the hr guys sitting at TCS saying to the world that they operate with Best practices. In reality this one was actually a worst practice adopted by the iconic corporate company. I doubt there should be thousands of CV’s similar to this, who are still with companies like TCS.
The best advice for all those 20 guys with false CV’s is that world is BIG and if Icons reject you, you can find employment in another smaller company. “After all a company is nothing but a Business Entity”. If The corporate India wants to function like a kinder garden school you have the challenge to go out and start a small business. I wish Corporate India to send more people out so that they will follow their gut rather than follow the masses like sheep’s.
Barath Surendran is a Budding Entrepreneur and runs a blog http://jobhoppers.blogspot.com and www.techemate.com
Posted by : Barath Surendran - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
The best advice for all those 20 guys with false CV’s is that world is BIG and if Icons reject you, you can find employment in another smaller company. “After all a company is nothing but a Business Entity”. If The corporate India wants to function like a kinder garden school you have the challenge to go out and start a small business. I wish Corporate India to send more people out so that they will follow their gut rather than follow the masses like sheep’s.
Barath Surendran is a Budding Entrepreneur and runs a blog http://jobhoppers.blogspot.com and www.techemate.com
Posted by : Barath Surendran - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 74: What a Bull shit !!!
Its just a game what IT companies plays as their strategy to make money nothing else.
1) How many B.com, B.Tech(Mech) , B.Tech(Civil) ( I mean non IT background personnel) are working as software professional across the world. Just after doing some training on some technologies from a road side institute, they are able to get on to the top companies like TCS, WIPRO, INFOSYS etc.
2) If these big companies are particular about the candidature of the people working with them, then why they are not asking for only Certified candidates on Technologies (For Ex: SAP Certified, Oracle Certified, Sun Certifies, Microsoft Certified) for every position they fill in. Why it is not compulsory that a candidate must have a Computing education in his background ( For Ex: BCA, MCA, BE (comp), ME(Comp) etc) , why people from other backgrounds(Non IT: B.Com, MBA, B.Tech(Mech), Civil etc) plus some training from a road side institutes are allowed.
3) A gentleman says “The percentage has been increasing. In 2006, it was 16-17 percent, for 2007 it was 30 percent and while we are just six months into 2008 the percentage is around 30 percent” --- Is he not aware of the fact that if fake resumes has gone up by 30% , same the professional colleges who produce technical guys have also gone up by 50%. ( Just in Andhra Pradesh there are 494 engineering colleges, producing whopping 1.6 lakh of engineers in an Year ( see the link if you don’t believe http://www.thehindu.com/2008/07/13/stories/2008071359260500.htm ) 1,60,000 engineers from a state , and in India we have 28 states and 7 union territories , just imagine how many engineers would get churn out in just 365 days , India churns 4,00,00,000 engineers i.e 109589 per day !!! where the premier institutes like IIT and REC pass out population would be equal to a Days population of entire Engineers get produced in India.
4) Policies of big companies like Infosys, SAP Labs etc
a. Throughout 1st class from 10th to the masters degree attained
b. No Gap in the education, and there should be no gap the employment.
c. These days, a new concept has cropped up i.e Domain expertise , a person who has worked in Retail Domain will not be considered for positions in Telecom.
d. Initial written test, (in some companies Group Discussions too), 3 rounds of technical Interview, 2 rounds of HR Interview. And prior to these there will be several rounds of evaluations from the recruiting agencies.
Now, If above mentioned is the scenario of Indian IT Job market, then below are the facts
1) If any candidate who undergoes several test gates and secure the position , then will it be wrong to consider that, the candidate is real fit for that position.
2) If the candidate is real fit, and he proves himself in all these pre employment tests which he has undergone, then does it really matter what was his past and present employment and which graduation degree he holds and what masters.
3) When the companies select a candidate with all these procedures and then say that they are fake techies, as their past record is not correct. What do you call such companies
a. There is a flaw in their selection procedure, where a person who is unfit made his way to the position, then the policy what these companies adopt is wrong. So before sacking the people so called fake guys, it becomes important to sack the Policy makers, who have paved a path to such a useless system.
b. If the policies were correct and the person who got hired was a right fit, then where the question does arises for backdrop check and all these bull shit. When the person is perfectly matching your requirement and capable of getting the job done assigned to him, then why a big hue & cry on his education & experience checks. If Education and Experience really matters then (refer my point 1) how come NON IT background chaps are working in IT. ( Is it not true that An engineer cannot treat a patient, to Treat a decease a qualified doctor is required – this is a case where an authentic education is required, But I don’t see the similarity in IT industry where we can see so many NON IT graduates working in IT companies – this proves that IT Industry really doest require a IT Education, any person with logical and Mathematical acumen can pursue career in IT arena, and that’s how even SAP Labs and Oracle labs sell their Education packages, if you get some time speak to Siemens or Oracle University.)
c. With these above discussed points, I don’t see any requirement of a backdrop check for the candidates who actually go through long procedures of pre employment tests. Candidate is in front of you, his talent is exhibited and proves that he can get the assigned job done, then why do these companies really bother about what he did in his last employment and what was his record at education.
4) We have lot many scientists and Nobel prize winners who are actually college drop outs, Bill Gates is a classic example of a school dropout ( he is dropout from Harvard) today he is a big shot in IT Industry.
5) Say, If I was a performer in my earlier job, does that guarantee you that I will also be a performer in the job offered. When there is no such guarantee then why the hell this backdrop check is required.
6) A real Check is required about a person’s criminal background. Please tell me which organization is actually asking for this report. None to my knowledge, They don’t check on this important factor, but yes they harp on all the other useless things. How far it is fair on the part on so called Bigges in IT market
Posted by : Karan Bharadwaj - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Its just a game what IT companies plays as their strategy to make money nothing else.
1) How many B.com, B.Tech(Mech) , B.Tech(Civil) ( I mean non IT background personnel) are working as software professional across the world. Just after doing some training on some technologies from a road side institute, they are able to get on to the top companies like TCS, WIPRO, INFOSYS etc.
2) If these big companies are particular about the candidature of the people working with them, then why they are not asking for only Certified candidates on Technologies (For Ex: SAP Certified, Oracle Certified, Sun Certifies, Microsoft Certified) for every position they fill in. Why it is not compulsory that a candidate must have a Computing education in his background ( For Ex: BCA, MCA, BE (comp), ME(Comp) etc) , why people from other backgrounds(Non IT: B.Com, MBA, B.Tech(Mech), Civil etc) plus some training from a road side institutes are allowed.
3) A gentleman says “The percentage has been increasing. In 2006, it was 16-17 percent, for 2007 it was 30 percent and while we are just six months into 2008 the percentage is around 30 percent” --- Is he not aware of the fact that if fake resumes has gone up by 30% , same the professional colleges who produce technical guys have also gone up by 50%. ( Just in Andhra Pradesh there are 494 engineering colleges, producing whopping 1.6 lakh of engineers in an Year ( see the link if you don’t believe http://www.thehindu.com/2008/07/13/stories/2008071359260500.htm ) 1,60,000 engineers from a state , and in India we have 28 states and 7 union territories , just imagine how many engineers would get churn out in just 365 days , India churns 4,00,00,000 engineers i.e 109589 per day !!! where the premier institutes like IIT and REC pass out population would be equal to a Days population of entire Engineers get produced in India.
4) Policies of big companies like Infosys, SAP Labs etc
a. Throughout 1st class from 10th to the masters degree attained
b. No Gap in the education, and there should be no gap the employment.
c. These days, a new concept has cropped up i.e Domain expertise , a person who has worked in Retail Domain will not be considered for positions in Telecom.
d. Initial written test, (in some companies Group Discussions too), 3 rounds of technical Interview, 2 rounds of HR Interview. And prior to these there will be several rounds of evaluations from the recruiting agencies.
Now, If above mentioned is the scenario of Indian IT Job market, then below are the facts
1) If any candidate who undergoes several test gates and secure the position , then will it be wrong to consider that, the candidate is real fit for that position.
2) If the candidate is real fit, and he proves himself in all these pre employment tests which he has undergone, then does it really matter what was his past and present employment and which graduation degree he holds and what masters.
3) When the companies select a candidate with all these procedures and then say that they are fake techies, as their past record is not correct. What do you call such companies
a. There is a flaw in their selection procedure, where a person who is unfit made his way to the position, then the policy what these companies adopt is wrong. So before sacking the people so called fake guys, it becomes important to sack the Policy makers, who have paved a path to such a useless system.
b. If the policies were correct and the person who got hired was a right fit, then where the question does arises for backdrop check and all these bull shit. When the person is perfectly matching your requirement and capable of getting the job done assigned to him, then why a big hue & cry on his education & experience checks. If Education and Experience really matters then (refer my point 1) how come NON IT background chaps are working in IT. ( Is it not true that An engineer cannot treat a patient, to Treat a decease a qualified doctor is required – this is a case where an authentic education is required, But I don’t see the similarity in IT industry where we can see so many NON IT graduates working in IT companies – this proves that IT Industry really doest require a IT Education, any person with logical and Mathematical acumen can pursue career in IT arena, and that’s how even SAP Labs and Oracle labs sell their Education packages, if you get some time speak to Siemens or Oracle University.)
c. With these above discussed points, I don’t see any requirement of a backdrop check for the candidates who actually go through long procedures of pre employment tests. Candidate is in front of you, his talent is exhibited and proves that he can get the assigned job done, then why do these companies really bother about what he did in his last employment and what was his record at education.
4) We have lot many scientists and Nobel prize winners who are actually college drop outs, Bill Gates is a classic example of a school dropout ( he is dropout from Harvard) today he is a big shot in IT Industry.
5) Say, If I was a performer in my earlier job, does that guarantee you that I will also be a performer in the job offered. When there is no such guarantee then why the hell this backdrop check is required.
6) A real Check is required about a person’s criminal background. Please tell me which organization is actually asking for this report. None to my knowledge, They don’t check on this important factor, but yes they harp on all the other useless things. How far it is fair on the part on so called Bigges in IT market
Posted by : Karan Bharadwaj - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 75: The action taken by TCS , Infosys , satyam and wipro is the lesson to the people who have been involved in doing such act and no one in near future
should to do it; This kind of action must be taken so that right candaidate can get the opportunity.
Posted by : Kavitha.K - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
should to do it; This kind of action must be taken so that right candaidate can get the opportunity.
Posted by : Kavitha.K - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 76: The action taken by the TCS must be a lesson to all the team who has been doing and how is doing all this type of fraud. This type of activities will be effecting the Right candidates in all the ways.
Posted by : Sooraj R - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Posted by : Sooraj R - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 77: If showing doors for any faults is the only way... for anything then nothing survives.
Fake record are the most common practice not only with the individuals but also with many companies including the big names and MNC's too.
If fake credibility certficates are unfair.. most of the companies balance sheetstoo are unfair and none of such companies can make a fair bid and win any big deals....
Posted by : Raghavendra - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Fake record are the most common practice not only with the individuals but also with many companies including the big names and MNC's too.
If fake credibility certficates are unfair.. most of the companies balance sheetstoo are unfair and none of such companies can make a fair bid and win any big deals....
Posted by : Raghavendra - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 78: It is wrong providing wrong info in resume. It is also true that people are forced to provide false info esp. for freshers.
After doing so hard labor they need to go one place to other for interview and still no employment. Parents pressure also increase with time. But it is also a problem when a two years experienced person do found to be experienced. In this case making team becomes a problem.
Company should do something for freshers. At least they should give some chance to all the freshers and then it can decide who can be employed or not. Then person can find the suitable place.
Posted by : Satya Prakash Karan - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
After doing so hard labor they need to go one place to other for interview and still no employment. Parents pressure also increase with time. But it is also a problem when a two years experienced person do found to be experienced. In this case making team becomes a problem.
Company should do something for freshers. At least they should give some chance to all the freshers and then it can decide who can be employed or not. Then person can find the suitable place.
Posted by : Satya Prakash Karan - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 79: papi pet kya kya nahi karwata !!!!
Posted by : jawani.janeman - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Posted by : jawani.janeman - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 80: A fake resume can be identified with some checks during the interview. This candidate's profile must be put on the fake resume database and shared with all companies. There are times when a HR person suggests changes to a resume for a client interviews or makes it on his own in some companies. This practice mus
Posted by : Murali Saranadhi - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Posted by : Murali Saranadhi - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 81: '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
It is no Intelligence that such action taken after employing a candidate
initiative should be made to avoid such happenings
the recruit parameters have to be modified in such a way that one is not forced to provide false history of employment
Though one is not able to express himeself to the maximum the probation period should be the measuring parameter where every initiative should be made from the management in taking the right decision on the employment.
It is bad to provide false history on employment
But
it is also worse to induce one to do so.
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Posted by : raman - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
It is no Intelligence that such action taken after employing a candidate
initiative should be made to avoid such happenings
the recruit parameters have to be modified in such a way that one is not forced to provide false history of employment
Though one is not able to express himeself to the maximum the probation period should be the measuring parameter where every initiative should be made from the management in taking the right decision on the employment.
It is bad to provide false history on employment
But
it is also worse to induce one to do so.
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Posted by : raman - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 82: i think this is not the fault of candidates those are providing fake certificates. this is the problem of those HR peoples who only giving high priority to the experienced candidates. no door open for freshers, then what the freshers will do if they will not selected by the campus interview. give them a chance either in a provision period or contract basis to prove them shelves. every body knows that in current IT industry 99% fake certificate provided candi dates are ther. some are caught. some are escaped.
Posted by : ratikanta - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Posted by : ratikanta - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 83:
- its crap... u get opportunity to work atleast in other courties if u put exp.... if u dont prove then only they ll remove..
-- but here u dont have chance to work at all...
-- if any 1 gets job in campus place ment as freshers then only they tend to work....
-- what about other talented people who cant get in campus placement... they hav awesome knowledge but no chance to work.... this is only tjhe way...
-- even few senior level managers in mnc have taken the same steps in there earlier age...
-- please give chance to all the talented guys to work... else ur shortage of sill work force which ur facing.... will multiply and u cant fill ur positions even after next 100 years...
Rambo.
Posted by : rambo - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
- its crap... u get opportunity to work atleast in other courties if u put exp.... if u dont prove then only they ll remove..
-- but here u dont have chance to work at all...
-- if any 1 gets job in campus place ment as freshers then only they tend to work....
-- what about other talented people who cant get in campus placement... they hav awesome knowledge but no chance to work.... this is only tjhe way...
-- even few senior level managers in mnc have taken the same steps in there earlier age...
-- please give chance to all the talented guys to work... else ur shortage of sill work force which ur facing.... will multiply and u cant fill ur positions even after next 100 years...
Rambo.
Posted by : rambo - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 84: Going purely by marks in unfair...disallowing because someone lost a year is also unfair...For eg. The grading in Mangalore univerisity is way harder than Madras University...If disalllowing (not even considering the first interview step) based on stupid percentages is justified then so is faking justified...
A test could be conducted...it is not uncommon to find several "below" candidates faring exceptionally in company tests.
As someone rightly said...u find fault with candidates faking credential...would u find fault with companies faking credential? May I ask one fundmanetal question how companies secure projects in first place? Are their statements really true? Obvirously not...as a long as someone doing thorough in the job 'excuse' of fake should not be made issue or else the biggest frauds are the companies themselves...
Posted by : Raj - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
A test could be conducted...it is not uncommon to find several "below" candidates faring exceptionally in company tests.
As someone rightly said...u find fault with candidates faking credential...would u find fault with companies faking credential? May I ask one fundmanetal question how companies secure projects in first place? Are their statements really true? Obvirously not...as a long as someone doing thorough in the job 'excuse' of fake should not be made issue or else the biggest frauds are the companies themselves...
Posted by : Raj - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 85: Hey guys, How many of you started working immediate after completing your studies. It is upto the company recruiting the employees, cant they check everything before offering an opportunity in their prestige organizations. I think TCS faced the same problem in 1993 and gone to court, but the court had given judgement favour to the employee only. If they need people then they will close their Eyes, ears, and everything becos they have to show the "numbers" in front of the client. Even all big Mnc's are sending fake resumes to the client places before sending the guy to work at onsite...punishing the employee who is doing his duties correct is ridiculous, all have to be punished who are involved in whole recruitment. There will exist only 30% of the employees if company wants to terminate all the false record guys.. isnt.
Posted by : Ram - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Posted by : Ram - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 86: Hey Hey there is one better way to control it , ask so called NASSCOM to control the number of techies passing out as IMA controls number of Medicos passing out every year , we Techies should learn of things from Medicos , see how they control number of colleges and control the quality of Education themselves and even strike to control it , we were sleeping and still sleeping ... awake we are more than required yarr obviously fake resume will come up .... if no of engg Colleges are not controlled then our IT gets into losses and IT personal Salaries will Come down .. , No problem for TCS , Wipro like corporates they will happily continue with there FMCG products , we are the one who are going to get lost
Posted by : sharath - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Posted by : sharath - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 87: Ha Ha .. , its funny of some one commenting on fake candidates (techies with fake Exp resumes ) and some people demanding even legal action and NASSCOM reg ... , Bull shit , How many of these people commenting like this hold a legal Computers , Legal Operating System , Licensed applications .. no one , there are nearly 1000 Engg colleges in AP how many colleges hold valid software forget college 50% of companies use pirated Software until time of Production , Don't fool yourself none of us use a valid software that doesn't mean that what we learn is illegal ,
In the same way all the one who use fake resumes are not dumb , 90% of us do it only to get a job as there are some idiotic exceptions by idiotic HR like
- if you got a gap of one year from pass out year you are not allowed , then obvious use a fake exp
- No freshers allowed
This is not problem of ethics and integrity , this is because of supply and demand ..
simple - More Techies less demand than less salary than less jobs then fake exp and its happening in Hyderabad becoz we got highest Engg Colleges thats it
Posted by : sharath - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
In the same way all the one who use fake resumes are not dumb , 90% of us do it only to get a job as there are some idiotic exceptions by idiotic HR like
- if you got a gap of one year from pass out year you are not allowed , then obvious use a fake exp
- No freshers allowed
This is not problem of ethics and integrity , this is because of supply and demand ..
simple - More Techies less demand than less salary than less jobs then fake exp and its happening in Hyderabad becoz we got highest Engg Colleges thats it
Posted by : sharath - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 88: a robust procedure at induction should prevent this. So much waste !! and it is fairly unpleasant for all involved.
Posted by : aniruddha - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Posted by : aniruddha - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 89: The complete report for all my friends - ashwin nallari
The IT-BPO industry is becoming increasingly alert on fake biodatas. India's largest IT serivces provider, Tata Consultancy [Get Quote] Service, has recently asked close to 20 employees at its Kolkata centre to leave after the company, during the background verification, found that these employees have used fudged resumes to get jobs.
"As a customer-focused organiaation, security is of paramount importance to us. We have a stringent background verification process in TCS. We take this process very seriously and have issued action against the errant employees. We have launched an internal investigation to identify the entire ecosystem and all involved in the racket," said a senior company official.
In the recent past all the major IT firms, including Infosys [Get Quote], Satyam [Get Quote] and Wipro [Get Quote], and many mid-sized firms have taken a hard stand on fake or fudged resumes. However, the incidents continue. First Advantage, a leading background screening firm, in its recent report states that 30 per cent of all the resumes they have screened have discrepancies.
In 2006-07, the company screened over 2 million applicants across industries.
Ashish Dehade, managing director (West Asia), First Advantage says, "The percentage has been increasing. In 2006 it was 16-17 per cent, for 2007 it was 30 per cent and while we are just six months into 2008 the percentage is around 30 per cent."
TCS is not the only firm doing this. Earlier Infosys had asked close to 100 employees to leave in FY07 due to discrepancies found in the resumes.
Same goes for Satyam and Wipro Technologies. Some time back it was reported that Wipro would be sharing with other IT firms the database of job applicants who have faked information in their CVs.
Satyam has put in place a system that does a background check even before the candidate actually comes and joins the firm.
"Well most of the companies have put in place some procedure to tackle this. We started this process two years back and 100 per cent of our associates joining come through this system. This has dramatically brought down the number of resumes with discrepancies," says Sucharita Palepu, Satyam HR MyHR Frameworks head.
IT sector is the second most affected vertical, banking sector has the highest discrepancies, when it comes to fudged resumes. One in every four CVs received by the IT services firm has some kind of discrepancies. And one in every six CVs in the BPO industry in fudges states the First Advantage report.
The problem is not just at the fresher level, it goes up to the senior level as well. "One of the leading IT firms was hiring a practice head. But after his background check it came to light that the gentleman with over 20 years of industry experience had fake IIT certificates," says a spokesperson from a leading background screening firm in India.
To tackle this problem industry body Nasscom, created the National Skills Registry, which has a candidates personal, academic and employment details and undergoes professional verifications.
The registration numbers towards the end of 2007 was 160,000. However, despite the actions taken by IT firms Dehade feels that the problem will persist in India. "Education and employment discrepancies in BFSI, ITeS/BPO sectors have seen the highest increase in the past 15 months.
Posted by : ashwin nallari - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
The IT-BPO industry is becoming increasingly alert on fake biodatas. India's largest IT serivces provider, Tata Consultancy [Get Quote] Service, has recently asked close to 20 employees at its Kolkata centre to leave after the company, during the background verification, found that these employees have used fudged resumes to get jobs.
"As a customer-focused organiaation, security is of paramount importance to us. We have a stringent background verification process in TCS. We take this process very seriously and have issued action against the errant employees. We have launched an internal investigation to identify the entire ecosystem and all involved in the racket," said a senior company official.
In the recent past all the major IT firms, including Infosys [Get Quote], Satyam [Get Quote] and Wipro [Get Quote], and many mid-sized firms have taken a hard stand on fake or fudged resumes. However, the incidents continue. First Advantage, a leading background screening firm, in its recent report states that 30 per cent of all the resumes they have screened have discrepancies.
In 2006-07, the company screened over 2 million applicants across industries.
Ashish Dehade, managing director (West Asia), First Advantage says, "The percentage has been increasing. In 2006 it was 16-17 per cent, for 2007 it was 30 per cent and while we are just six months into 2008 the percentage is around 30 per cent."
TCS is not the only firm doing this. Earlier Infosys had asked close to 100 employees to leave in FY07 due to discrepancies found in the resumes.
Same goes for Satyam and Wipro Technologies. Some time back it was reported that Wipro would be sharing with other IT firms the database of job applicants who have faked information in their CVs.
Satyam has put in place a system that does a background check even before the candidate actually comes and joins the firm.
"Well most of the companies have put in place some procedure to tackle this. We started this process two years back and 100 per cent of our associates joining come through this system. This has dramatically brought down the number of resumes with discrepancies," says Sucharita Palepu, Satyam HR MyHR Frameworks head.
IT sector is the second most affected vertical, banking sector has the highest discrepancies, when it comes to fudged resumes. One in every four CVs received by the IT services firm has some kind of discrepancies. And one in every six CVs in the BPO industry in fudges states the First Advantage report.
The problem is not just at the fresher level, it goes up to the senior level as well. "One of the leading IT firms was hiring a practice head. But after his background check it came to light that the gentleman with over 20 years of industry experience had fake IIT certificates," says a spokesperson from a leading background screening firm in India.
To tackle this problem industry body Nasscom, created the National Skills Registry, which has a candidates personal, academic and employment details and undergoes professional verifications.
The registration numbers towards the end of 2007 was 160,000. However, despite the actions taken by IT firms Dehade feels that the problem will persist in India. "Education and employment discrepancies in BFSI, ITeS/BPO sectors have seen the highest increase in the past 15 months.
Posted by : ashwin nallari - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 90: It is true that we HR professionals are not so aware or not so learned to identify fake CVs. As a support team, HR acts on the guidance from the Management. HR has to be given training to identify fake CVs, so that this kind of 'time waste' activities can be downsized instead downsizing or right sizing the organisation. When we need people, we take even some have fake CV, but when we don't need we show them the door with the reason as fake CV writer. It is all part of the glamour and fake knowledge added to the glamour of IT industry.
Posted by : Phani - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Posted by : Phani - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 91: There should be a process to verify his documents, previous and current employment before the candidate joins the company. This needs to be initiated once the candidates accept the offer and willing to join, also the process should not affect his current employment (Through Third Party Agency). Win -Win situation for project team and the recruitment process.
Posted by : sridharun - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Posted by : sridharun - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 92: I don't think this is the correct way to terminate people from services on the basis of false experience. If an employee is not worth then should be fired from services even though he may be from engineering background or a professional college. As far as recruiting of these persons is concerned, the recruiters / employers are knowingly hiring them and showing their fake experience to their clients & attract the customers. They are first to deceive and when there are no projects, these employees will be made the scapegoats. I fully blame these so called big companies like TCS, IBM, Wipro, Delloite, Accenture, Satyam, Intelligroup etc. for playing with the future of these poor people.
Posted by : Pallavi Mathur - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Posted by : Pallavi Mathur - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 93: Hi,
I Think the first group of people would be some institutes who are ready to provide such fake certificates which can be used by the candidates to apply in these companies. I saw a lot of discussion around what's being wrong or right in providing fake certificates, I being a recruiter in reputed company there is some value that one should carry which is honesty and integrity. As an individual, one could do brilliantly on their job but what about those values? That I think should come from within. I also don't agree to the fact that the firms are not recruiting freshers as I have my two friends who got recruited as a freshers and they are joining soon..........
Posted by : Aravind - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
I Think the first group of people would be some institutes who are ready to provide such fake certificates which can be used by the candidates to apply in these companies. I saw a lot of discussion around what's being wrong or right in providing fake certificates, I being a recruiter in reputed company there is some value that one should carry which is honesty and integrity. As an individual, one could do brilliantly on their job but what about those values? That I think should come from within. I also don't agree to the fact that the firms are not recruiting freshers as I have my two friends who got recruited as a freshers and they are joining soon..........
Posted by : Aravind - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 94:
Having read the comments of my friends on the TCS issue, My comments are as follows
1. Sambhit represents the present gen and we have to empathise with them and more companies need to create opportunities for easy entry of freshers and strictly on merit and also validate their project papers,blogs and give instant test to judge their communication skills, presentation skills,analytical skills and befriending skills.Here Sambhit TWO WRONGS DOES NOT MAKE ONE RIGHT , WHAT IS FAKE IS A FAKE,accept do not give amitabh deewar justification.Have guts to face truth and be with it
2.Fire those H.R's who have recruited and encouraged fake cv's and blacklist their careers
3. http://www.freewebs.com/s9consulting/dollardreamsh1visainfo.htm - click on this link or cut paste I have been creating awareness in Hyderabad and A.P at most of the Engg/MBA/MCA Colleges to stop doing fake cv's as max number of fake cases originate from hyd according to us/uk/aus /nz consulates.I am pursuing this cause with single minded devotion and managed to make inroads to certain extent but I would be glad If any of you are interested in taking this awareness session further .Visit my site for details
4.Biggest problem in Hyd is this area called Ameerpet and I have coined the word America via ameerpet types for our hydbadi quick gun murugans.99% of engg colleges buy their projects for rs 5000/- and as recent as may2008 when I was doing prescreening interview for a bangalore based company , 75% of the freshers could not name their project.
5.I have come to know through another H.R Consultant , that its the same in Tamil Nadu and Kerala .
6.What all of us - HONEST INDIANS have to do is form a group under silicon india and first blacklist the AICTE for granting approval for these colleges and take the officials to task , create a massive awareness drive on fake cv's to these institutions & create awareness drive to all company h.r's and top honchos to give a break to freshers in an ethical manner and give a proper career succession plan
Anyone can join me : ashwinnallari@gmail.com and also visit me at http://ashwinnallari.blogspot.com
Posted by : ashwinnallari - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Having read the comments of my friends on the TCS issue, My comments are as follows
1. Sambhit represents the present gen and we have to empathise with them and more companies need to create opportunities for easy entry of freshers and strictly on merit and also validate their project papers,blogs and give instant test to judge their communication skills, presentation skills,analytical skills and befriending skills.Here Sambhit TWO WRONGS DOES NOT MAKE ONE RIGHT , WHAT IS FAKE IS A FAKE,accept do not give amitabh deewar justification.Have guts to face truth and be with it
2.Fire those H.R's who have recruited and encouraged fake cv's and blacklist their careers
3. http://www.freewebs.com/s9consulting/dollardreamsh1visainfo.htm - click on this link or cut paste I have been creating awareness in Hyderabad and A.P at most of the Engg/MBA/MCA Colleges to stop doing fake cv's as max number of fake cases originate from hyd according to us/uk/aus /nz consulates.I am pursuing this cause with single minded devotion and managed to make inroads to certain extent but I would be glad If any of you are interested in taking this awareness session further .Visit my site for details
4.Biggest problem in Hyd is this area called Ameerpet and I have coined the word America via ameerpet types for our hydbadi quick gun murugans.99% of engg colleges buy their projects for rs 5000/- and as recent as may2008 when I was doing prescreening interview for a bangalore based company , 75% of the freshers could not name their project.
5.I have come to know through another H.R Consultant , that its the same in Tamil Nadu and Kerala .
6.What all of us - HONEST INDIANS have to do is form a group under silicon india and first blacklist the AICTE for granting approval for these colleges and take the officials to task , create a massive awareness drive on fake cv's to these institutions & create awareness drive to all company h.r's and top honchos to give a break to freshers in an ethical manner and give a proper career succession plan
Anyone can join me : ashwinnallari@gmail.com and also visit me at http://ashwinnallari.blogspot.com
Posted by : ashwinnallari - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 95: Actually during interview they aware of this forged biodata.But at that time they don't take a legal step becuse of urgency of human resources.And at the end of a project,when they don't need of this techies,only kick off them.it's shame to all of us.
Posted by : Arunava - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Posted by : Arunava - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 96: Its funny to know that these companies showing doors to employees. Because many talented people, having strong technical talent, can't get a job as fresher, only due to HR round and many partialities. And when people show experience, these companies welcome those with red carpet. After through interview only they choose candidates, then what happens if he is a fake (knowledge doesn't decrease). So if companies are taking this type of step, then with in few days, they will loose their candidates more than 70%, as only 30 % get job as fresher.
And if companies are serious about this, they should first fire the persons who took interviews and to the HR who recruited these candidates.
There is no judgment, in firing the employees, after a long working life in companies, showing the reason of false background.
Posted by : Sambit - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
And if companies are serious about this, they should first fire the persons who took interviews and to the HR who recruited these candidates.
There is no judgment, in firing the employees, after a long working life in companies, showing the reason of false background.
Posted by : Sambit - Tuesday, July 15, 2008
Comment 97: Hi Every one.....
This is something deabetable....as every one in this industry is sometimes doing some false or u can say unethics to get what they are looking....considering this...providing false exp is not wrong....what matters is how is doing his job correclty and productively. Is TCS is not gettting project by proving false resumes to client...or telling lies to customer????
Posted by : Vasantha - Monday, July 14, 2008
This is something deabetable....as every one in this industry is sometimes doing some false or u can say unethics to get what they are looking....considering this...providing false exp is not wrong....what matters is how is doing his job correclty and productively. Is TCS is not gettting project by proving false resumes to client...or telling lies to customer????
Posted by : Vasantha - Monday, July 14, 2008
Comment 98: Do check the backgrounds at all levels , then we could find such discprepancies .Measure the output(work performance) from the techies rather investigating in their work history,family,10th std mark,12th std mark(Every quarterly school exam result), such stringent measures can be taken if there is any criminal record , they should not be treated in this way once they have been inducted in the organization
Posted by : Natarajan Sankaran - Monday, July 14, 2008
Posted by : Natarajan Sankaran - Monday, July 14, 2008
Comment 99: I don't think this as a major problem unless and until the employee hired is performing his duties perfectly. If a person is capable of handling assignments independently, he need not be removed from the post. The problem is company's demand for only highly qualified and well experienced people needed for their respective firms. So what will be the fate of people who are less qualified but good in their subject? To get placed in good companies they have no other option but to adopt such type of practices.
Posted by : Poonam - Monday, July 14, 2008
Posted by : Poonam - Monday, July 14, 2008
Comment 100: Whether it is TCS or other companies, when falsified records are found, it is not only that those should be sent out but also prosecuted. This will reduce people to give incorrect details. NASSCOM should advice their members to take corrective action like prosecution so that it will have needed impact and improve the absorption of suitable candidates at the earliest opportunity.
Posted by : ravindren - Monday, July 14, 2008
Posted by : ravindren - Monday, July 14, 2008
Comment 101: TCS is doing correct thing...
Actually, it doesn't matter if it is a downsizing strategy or
they really are into an action of throwing techies who provided wrong records (they should value ethics),
(fake techies is not a proper word because they are interviewed before getting in).
Indeed NASSCOM has taken wise step, I dont want to write about it as NASSCOM initiative impacts
either sides (employe and companies).
Posted by : rohit - Monday, July 14, 2008
Actually, it doesn't matter if it is a downsizing strategy or
they really are into an action of throwing techies who provided wrong records (they should value ethics),
(fake techies is not a proper word because they are interviewed before getting in).
Indeed NASSCOM has taken wise step, I dont want to write about it as NASSCOM initiative impacts
either sides (employe and companies).
Posted by : rohit - Monday, July 14, 2008
Comment 102: This is a correct move from TCS. I firmly believe that all IT companies should come on same page to counter this problem. Atleast, now people start realizing the importance producing correct information. Some times, good candidates are sidelined due to falsification of information. I wish whole industry realizes the importance of it.
Raju
Posted by : Raju NN - Monday, July 14, 2008
Raju
Posted by : Raju NN - Monday, July 14, 2008
Comment 103: The NASSCOM initiative even though the right step under the current circumstances, but the problem needs to nipped in the proverbial bud, or else, we might have to devise newer & smarter methods to detect faked CVs. We have to keep in mind that supporting fake CV is a business avenue in itself.
Freshers moving out of college in their final sems must be given orientation sessions to go against this practice and refrain from faking resumes. Its all the more crucial for students who have not been able to make it through campus drives. Examples like these must be highlighted prominently in college notice boards just like campus recruitment by TCS would have been highlighted.
Posted by : Arindam - Monday, July 14, 2008
Freshers moving out of college in their final sems must be given orientation sessions to go against this practice and refrain from faking resumes. Its all the more crucial for students who have not been able to make it through campus drives. Examples like these must be highlighted prominently in college notice boards just like campus recruitment by TCS would have been highlighted.
Posted by : Arindam - Monday, July 14, 2008
Comment 104: NASSCOM already has a portal which governs information of employees from IT majors.
Posted by : Ram - Monday, July 14, 2008
Posted by : Ram - Monday, July 14, 2008
Comment 105: NASSCOM has already started an initiative to control false candidature. An IT professional can register themselves with www.nationalskillsregistry.com (for a nominal fee). This organisation in turn will do a background verification process and add then to a database of profiles so that next time any company is hiring they can just refer to this information to verify the candidates credentials.
Hope this initiative works effectively.
Posted by : ibrahim - Monday, July 14, 2008
Hope this initiative works effectively.
Posted by : ibrahim - Monday, July 14, 2008
Comment 106: It should be a alarm signal to those who are trying to get job by fake CV's..NASSCOm can come up with new ideas to controll these type of incidents by maintaining a single basic information database of all IT employees in INDIA ..so that every IT company can share employee details with another (only basic information)
Similar incidents will be happening more in an Hyderbad based IT firm and they are trying hard to controll this type of incidents..
Please change the Tittle . make it
" TCS shows door to fake techies"
this will be relevant for this ..
Posted by : harish - Monday, July 14, 2008
Similar incidents will be happening more in an Hyderbad based IT firm and they are trying hard to controll this type of incidents..
Please change the Tittle . make it
" TCS shows door to fake techies"
this will be relevant for this ..
Posted by : harish - Monday, July 14, 2008
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